In this week’s episode:
Italian motorcycles worth as much as an apartment, old hatchbacks exploding in value, bike choices and Livewire’s struggles.
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Time Stamps:
0:00: Intro
1:04: Used Car Prices Soaring
3:27: LiveWire Sales Struggling
6:00: Predicting the next classics is a game for fools… or is it? (Honda Africa Twin)
8:40: Look at the Old Car Market instead (Peugeot 106, VW Golf, Ford Fiesta, Renault 5 GT Turbo
11:42: The MV Agusta 750 S or the Honda CB750 (enough money to buy a house!)
13:25: The Ducati Sport Classic 1000
16:02: The Ducati Monster 620
17:14: The Ducati 916
18:35: Two New Bikes and a £20k Budget
23:33: A Do it All Modern Classic
28:24: The Harley Davidson Springer
30:26: The Mash Six hundred 650
31:51: Bike of the Week: Ducati 916
38 Comments
Livewire losses? Sorry my fault.
I took an S2 Del Mar out for a test ride last week, and wrote it off when a car pulled straight out in front of me.
Freddie, Im thinking of doing scotland and the NC500 in december as I have the month off. Bike of choice XT660. is this a stupid idea? or should I just be cautious and go for it? Any advice would be appreicated. If I do end up doing it, I will have a story, hopefully no crashes on ice. Touch wood
EV cars, bikes are dying, range, lack of infrastructure, price all too bad to be doable! Sales are plummeting and ICE are going great guns, an of course governments will start back tracking on the 2030 ice stupidity! Long Live ICE !
Hi Freddie, I have just taken to massive decision to change out my 2010 Ducati Multistrada 1200S for the all new Royal Enfield 452 Himalayan I take delivery on 1st March 2024. The reason is I have just returned from a ‘Ride Through History’ tour France & Spain and I did have a few moments with the weight of the bike (I’m 65) so to be able to carry on riding the new Himalayan is the answer. I cannot wait to do my first tour before going to the ABR Festival at the end of June. The trade in price was ridiculous so what would you recommend the best place to out it for the best price? The Multi has full service history done 18500miles had it Desmo service at 15000miles, has full touring pack. Regards Tim
Max might want to hang off buying the Benelli until the new Royal Enfield Himalayan comes out, seems to be getting a decent right and might be a good fit for the adventure bike for him and free up good funds for the cruiser (depending on how aggressively RE price the new Himalayan)
I remember going to the Silverstone GP back in the 70's Freddie and seeing for the first time two MV Augusta's parked and they were the only MV's at the circuit that tells you how rare they were and why they command such a premium and back then most could not entertain trying to buy one . Most all of the 70's superbikes are now super prices but I think nowadays it's going to be a different kettle of fish .For future classics it's far more difficult purely because of the vast choice of bikes around in my opinion so now it will be the exotic that you need to go for which will already cost a fortune . 👍
Old cars are still 10x or so dearer here. I just bought a 2006 berlingo at 4800 euro.
That's a 600 quid car in the UK 😂
I think you hit the 'nail on the head' with respect to what will appreciate over the next decade. For those of us that were looking to get our first vehicle in the late 90's and 00's, cars were just easier to get going with. So now those 90's and 00's kids have disposable income and are looking back predominantly towards cars, not bikes. So I see 90's and 00's cars rising better than bikes of the same era.
Maybe I don't understand how car prices work in the UK, but in the USA, a rusted to crap POS Toyota that barely runs is $5,000… A scrap yard here will pay you $1,000 for a car just to recycle it… You mean to tell me in the UK you can get a running and driving car for $1,500?
Hi, if Ducati, which I strongly support, why not a ST2 or ST3? Good engine and sound, comfortable and also comfy for your fiance. Example: 1998 ST2 with 20,000km for 3,150€.
Lets be fair…most of us dont buy a bike as an investment…… I needed a winter bike and any "classic" dirtbike is 3-5k so I went to fleabay and bought a brand new 411 Himalayan for £4k from Potteries M/C . The point is I now have cheap winter/summer motorcycling with no (or less) breakdown worries and 3years warranty and no MOT's to worry about the insurance is £100 (I had to take out new policy as its a new bike and my other insurance is for classics and I had to have a seperate insurance for my Z900rs for the same reason).
Thanks for reading my Livewire email. I feel famous now.
Hey Freddy, i have 4 motorcycle suggestions which are probably became a modern classic's in the future, they are all modern bikes:Yamaha MT-01, the new VMax, harley -davidson XR1200X, and husaberg fs 650 supermoto. I think that the prices of these 4 bike, will rise up to the sky in the future..👍
Cant beat a Honda ……
Jeremy’s “mile-muncher”:- BMW K1600, £6,000 gets you a good one, reliable comfortable and dead sporty for off-motorways
Freddie, great point about 60 year olds having a different situation. My first bike was an early 80’s Honda CM450 E with 4,000 miles for $400. I rode it for a year, graduated to a late 80’s Honda CB 900 Custom for $800. My then girlfriend and now my wife and I took these two bikes across country for two months. The CM NEVER had any issues. . .My CB lost a piston racing a BMW over a pass in Colorado. I rode it 2,000 miles back to Vermont with three cylinders , and traded it for what I bought it for, for an 85 Honda V65 Sabre, $1,200 (total). That bike went back and forth across the US 3 times, again with NO issues ever, and finally I sold her as a young father, FOR WHAT I BOUGHT HER FOR! My next bike, 20 years later was a BMW K1600, and now, trading that for a 3 year old Bonnie T120, which I wish I had all along, the perfect bike (for me).
Hi Freddie If you think car prices are going bonkers ie old simple cars take a look at tractors !!! I honestly think we are all now realising what we need and what we want and what we need is comming to the fore ??? Do we need 300 B.H.P. no we do not.. Do we need auto Lights auto wipers heated seats heated steering wheels 37 inch wheels twin exhausts alloy wheels auto gear selection a warnign light to tell you almost anything and half the time it is not true Turbo's A.B.S. S B A T.B.A. just make up a name and its on new cars As Dylan said Times they are a changing and lets hope for the better.. A new exhaust for an Audi T.T. S 1700 really honestly Give me hope!!!!
Bike of the week 916 nice.
Bike of your life Gsxr750.
Not that I have one 😉✌
Hindsight is wonderful thing.
Excellent episode. Brightened up my Tuesday evening 😊
Electric anything is a JOKE and if you do not agree then may the force go with you !!YOU ARE ABOUT TO GO DOWN
THE GARDEN PATH WITHOUT A FORK SPADE RAKE ETC ETC ETC TRUST ME AND MARK THESE WORDS !!!!!!!!
An Aussie block brought an Old African Twin 750 , ( a barn find ) rode it around some of Europe , shipped it back to Australia ( they never were imported here unfortunately) and stripped it down and done it up and just got back from riding it 20,000 Km across Australia. He has a fantastic utube channel -ARiemann1 – an excellent 4 part series.
I sold my 'weekend car' three months ago in the face of obscene running costs. Likewise I am reducing my holidays to 1 abroad and 3 at home per year. If things keep on going up like this I will end up with a tent, camping. It's no laughing matter…
Any bike or Car, made before 1990, will become classic because no electronics, thereby meaning any home mechanic can repair them, not so with the newer stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Buying a second hand Ford Anglia say 1966 / 67 in the early mid 70s would set me back about 75 to 150 quid last one i owned was in the mid 80 and it was still a dirt cheap car, the local newspapers were full of old cars for sale ! Best times the 60s 70s and 80s .
I know it doesn’t effect all your viewers, but ULEZ has stopped us riding bikes between 1984 and approx 2005, unless you pay £12.50 per day to ride one. Ulez coming to city near you. now London is taking in £275million a year so be careful what classic you buy
Wow Freddie what a lesson, re cars and bikes.
I do like that Guzzi V7 Stone. But, to tall for my short 27 inch inside leg. 😊
Also, if I looked away my Royal Enfield 350 Fireball Yellow, with a host of extras, for 20 years, do you think it will be worth more, than they are new now?
For a low mile 2nd hand one, may cost you the guts of £2750. Might be worth the gamble. Maybe.
Wee Mark.
As a environmentalist I'm very concerned about the damage caused to our earth as a result of mining for lithium, so l won't be buying electric.
Neither can l imagine myself having to plot a course of re- charging stations every time l wish to explore our countryside.
Hi Freddie, regarding the subject of inexpensive motorcycles, I saw a bike in a local dealership today that really impressed me. The dealership in question is Millennium motorcycle's in St.helens in Merseyside. The bike in question is a Chinese model. The MBP C1002P. £9499 +OTR. It's a 997cc V twin that looks like a cross between an Indian cruiser and the Triumph rocket. Also worth a look is the Voge 300 rally. £3800+ OTR. Both look like incredible value for money.
MV 750S were already rare and super expensive back in the 70s. Same thing for a Honda NC30.
The problem with renting a lockup for storage of cars or bikes is silly money. I rented a storage unit the size of my garage for 3 months whilst I decorated the house, it was £460 per month. Crazy prices
YOU SHOULD BECOME A BIKE THEROPIST FREDDIE TELLS ALL !!!!!!!!!!!
Why not a Moto Guzzi California 1400 ?
Best ever thought came from David, the 70 year young biker riding a Suzuki Gt750; if you’re ever around Düsseldorf David it would be an honour to invite you for either lunch or dinner.
Rarity is the issue. The Africa Twin is neither rare nor special. They didn't sell well in the UK but there are plenty around. A Dakar version on the other hand with the underseat tanks will be worth plenty. Yamaha R1s and R6s will never be worth really big money but R7s are already worth a small fortune. The value of Honda RC30s and RC45s are similar whereas VFRs are worth pennies. You need something really special produced in very small numbers – the thing they all have in common is that they were expensive and hard to get when new. As you said at the start trying to guess which "run of the mill" bikes will appreciate is a mugs game – any small profits made will be wiped out by maintenance costs anyway. Buy what you like/can afford and enjoy it – it's the riding that counts. If you want an investment you'd do better with Premium Bonds.
Electric MCs are not real until battery technology is much better. Weight, mileage and price must match.
The gentleman with the Guzzi and the Suzuki Freewind – I absolutely agree that the Speedmaster is the bike for him. I too have a 29" inseam and I love my 2023 Speedmaster bought this year. However, I am surprised he has a Freewind, a bike I had myself some years ago (in the colours in your picture) and it was a great bike, but I sold it on because it was too tall for me which caused me to drop it (happily without damage). But I wonder about your recommendation of a Trans Alp as a Freewind replacement. It has an even higher seat!
Freddie I think it’s time to get a Moto Guzzi V7, compatible with all you hepco and Becker gear and most importantly fits your style perfectly, plus low maintenance!