The Light Gate welcomes guest: Author and Researcher, .Dr. Irena Scott
November 10th, 2025.
Time: 5-7pm pacific / 8-10pm eastern
Episode: 133
Discussion:
Tonight, Monday night live, The Light Gate welcomes back researcher and author Dr. Irena Scott.
Dr. Irena Scott received her Ph.D. from the University of Missouri College of Veterinary Medicine, did post-doctoral research at Cornell University, and has had a professorship at St. Bonaventure University. Her MS was from the University of Nevada, her BS from Ohio State University in astronomy and biology, and she has done research and teaching at The Ohio State University College of Medicine, and the University of Nevada. The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) employed her in Ph.D. level (GS-11) research in satellite photography including in the Air Order of Battle section of its Photographic Interpretation Office, which involved aircraft identification with above top-secret Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI), clearances. She was employed as a Physical Scientist/Cartographer in the DMA Aerospace Center (now the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency) using satellite photography, and she worked at Battelle Memorial Institute. She has been sent for work-related purposes to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and has been in the secured areas including the Blue Room (NASIC) building.
She was an astronomer at the Ohio State University Radio Observatory “Big Ear” (noted for the WOW SETI signal that might be humanity’s only signal from ET), is an amateur astronomer, and has taken flying lessons She was a correspondent for Popular Mechanics magazine. Her publications include books, and works in peer-reviewed scientific journals, magazines, and newspapers. Her photography has been shown on television and in magazines, books, and newspapers.
She served on the MUFON Board of Directors (1993 to 2000) and is a MUFON consultant in physiology and astronomy and a field investigator. She was a founding member of the Mid-Ohio Research Associates (MORA) and an editor for the Ohio UFO Notebook. Her UFO publications include articles in the MUFON UFO Journal, the International UFO Reporter, and FATE magazine.
She was a keynote speaker at 2022 5th Symposium on UFOlogy and Exobiology International Symposium in Brazil; a featured speaker at the 2019 50th Anniversary International MUFON Symposium, the 22nd Annual UFO Festival in McMinnville, Oregon, the UFO.CON in San Francisco, and invited to be a featured speaker at the UFO MEGA Conference 2022 in Las Vegas, which was cancelled.
She has done numerous podcasts such as Coast to Coast and Shirley MacLaine’s Independent Expression Radio.
Her most recent books on UFOs are: UFOs TODAY 70 Years of Lies, Disinformation, and Government Cover-Up, published by Flying Disk Press, MUFON Books, and in German by NIBE VERLAG; Inside the Lightning Ball: Scientific Study of Lifelong UFO Experiencers, published by Flying Disk Press and by Flying Disk Press, Latinoamerica; and Sacred Corridors Secrets Behind the Real Project Blue Book, Wright-Patterson AFB, Roswell, Battelle, Memory Metal, Dr. J. Allen Hynek & UFO Cover-Ups, published by Flying Disk Press.
Her latest book is Beyond Pascagoula The Rest of the Amazing Story. The book, Beyond Reasonable Doubt, The Pascagoula Alien Abduction, with Philip Mantle co-author, is to be released in September. A book, Aliens and the Apocalypse: The Meaning of Alien Messages, has been accepted. Flying Disk Press initially published all.
She has taken a scientific approach to UFO phenomena and published papers about UFO data in peer-reviewed scientific journals, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) publications.
Links:Website: https://irenascott.com/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Scott
Twitter: @tstart194
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/irena.scott1
Hello everyone. Welcome to this Monday night’s
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is the good stuff. Uh it is cold where we’re at. If I start shivering or my teeth start clacking,
please forgive me. I’m right by the window and uh it’s like 22 now and it’s snowing. Yeah,
I’m just gonna turn it right over to Preston. Thank you, Deli. Thank you everyone for
joining us on episode gosh, what is it? 33 of the lightgate. I’m your host Preston
Dennit, UFO researcher and author and a little bit of an experiencer and of course my lovely
co-host Dolly Saffron who is the subject of my book Symmetry as a major experiencer as
you guys all know. Do want to give a shout out to all the folks who have served in the
military. Happy Veterans Day. We love you. We’re very proud of you. I’m gonna include Dolly
there. Thank you for your service, my dear, and everyone out there. It means a lot. I have
a message for all my patriots and my comrades. H All right. Well, uh let me just say that we do
have a wonderful guest lined up tonight. She’s been on before, Ireina Scott. So very excited
because she was actually our 13th guest way back when and so happy to have her back. But
before I bring her on, let me just say a very quick hello to all you wonderful folks in chat
because it’s because of you we do this show. It’s because of you. My Mondays and Dollies are that
much brighter. We really have a good time here. We consider you all family. So let’s see who we
have here real quick. We have Lorie Sewick from Portland, Oregon. We got Scuba Maru and Shereice
Bazella, Teresa Lavine. Lots of regulars. We got Johnny J from Knoxville Kersian and the lovely
generous Namaste. Thank you veterans for your service. Yes, we love you very much. Namaste.
Who else we got here? Thank you. Namaste. Little Dove. We got Janie Mashburn in the Owl Man and
Sunny Bernett with a nice generous donation. Hi Dolly and Preston. Glad to be here. We are very
happy you’re here as well. Thanks for joining us. Oh Jamie, you guys are amazing. We love you so
much. Thank you, Janie and Louisey, one of our definite regulars. Stargators. Very cool. Uh we
have Becky Sloan. Thank you, Becky. You guys are We love you very much. Thank you. Thank you truly
from the bottom of our heart. It means a lot. We have Greg from Bonnie, Scotland. There. Oh,
Scotland. Yeah, I love it. And Bob Thorson. Hi, Bob. Hope you’re doing well. You’re lucky. I
believe it’s warm where you are. I might be wrong. You can let me know. Oh, we got Daniel Nordine
from snowy East Tennessee. And oh, Heidi Hansen, a frequent flyer on our show. Heidi, we love you
very much. Hope you’re doing really well. Shares, oh my goodness, you guys are wonderful. Thank
you so much. And here is me saying, get your questions in early. First come, first yeah, we
got lots of wonderful people in here tonight. Olivia and Flea Market Gold and Fox Moulder and
I’m just about out of time. Oil painter Espie Harkin Max Meeks Michael. Hello Michael. Love you.
Love you. Love you. And Kay Hansen. Yikes. That’s too cold. I’m glad I’m here in Houston. Lucky. Uh
Randy P. It gets cold in New Orleans. No, we’re streaming out of New Orleans. That’s That’s our
radio. That’s That’s where the transmitters are. One is closer to New Orleans and one is closer
to the Gulf Coast. There’s two of them. Yeah. So, Jonathan Diaz, Ben from Oz, I’m in trouble
because now I have to get going. Foggy Notions, Little Dove. I think that’s just about it. If
I didn’t catch you, I’m sorry. Love you guys. My favorite YouTubers from Spain. Oh, that is
awesome. Look how we’re reaching out to all the world Texas Tim Houston. Yay. And of course, like
I said, Michael Kennedy’s doing hope you’re doing well. And let’s just get to our guest before I get
in any deeper trouble. So excited to have Ireina Scott back on. She is an a scientist, a pioneering
researcher, and an author. She’s got a PhD. She’s actually a doctor. Her resume is absolutely
amazing. She’s been in this field for many years. She received her PhD from the University
of Missouri College of Veterary Medicine and did postdoctoral research at Cornell University and
actually had a professorship at St. Bonaventur University. Wow. Her MS was in the University of
Nevada. Her BS from the Ohio State University in astronomy and biology. Wow. and has done research
and teaching at the Ohio State University College of Medicine and the University of Nevada. Now, she
was actually employed by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the GIA, as at level GS11 doing research
and satellite photography, including in the air order of Mattel section of the photographic
interpretation office. This involved aircraft identification with above top secret sensitive
compartmented information clearances. Wow, Ireina amazing. is employed as a physical
scientist cgrapher in the DMA aerospace center now the national geospace intelligence agency using
satellite photography and of course works at the battel memorial institute and has been sent for
work rellated purposes to the very famous Wright Patterson Air Force Base and has actually been in
the secured areas including the blue room NASIC building she was an astronomer at the Ohio State
University radio observatory the big here noted for the WOW SETI signal that might be humanity’s
only signal from ET using that method I should say is an amateur astronomer and has taken flying
lessons and was a correspondent for Popular Mechanics magazine. Boy, we’re so honored. Ireina,
this is amazing. Her publications include books and works in peer-reviewed scientific journals,
magazines, and newspapers. Her photography has been shown on television and in magazines. She
has served on muon board of directors 1993 to 2000 and is a muon consultant in physiology and
astronomy and a field investigator, a founding member of the mid Ohio research associates and
an editor of the Ohio UFO notebook. Her UFO publications have appeared in the Muon Journal,
the International UFO Reporter, Fate magazine. She was a keynote speaker at the 2022 fifth symposium
on eufology and exobiology international symposium in Brazil and a feature speaker at the 2019 50th
anniversary international mufound symposium and quite a bit more. She’s done numerous podcasts
such as Coast to Coast, no surprise there, and Shirley Mlan’s Independent Expression Radio and
many others. She’s got a new book out. We’re very excited to talk about it. She’s really the go-to
person when it comes to information on Pasigula. And you can see her book here, Pascagula, the
ultimate close UFO encounter, as well as quite a few other books. Sacred Corridors, UFOs Today,
Inside Lightning Ball, Study, Scientific Study of Lifelong UFO Experiences, Beyond Reasonable Doubt,
the Pascula Alien Abduction, and quite a bit more. So, we’re very very honored to have her on to
There she is with Kathleen, also a guest on the show. But let’s just bring on our wonderful,
illustrious guest. Hi, Ireina. How are you? Thank you for coming on here. See, I have one thing to
say real quick. You know, anybody was worthy to go before Congress and talk UFOs to people, it
would be you. You know what I’m saying? I don’t know why uh people who have to be whistleblowers,
who are not researchers, who are not experiencers, who are not anything even remotely close to
other than intelligencia within our government are talking and it irritates the you know what
out of me. And then here you sit with all this experience with all of this knowledge on you and
nobody’s once from that group up there asked you a single question. Bothers me a lot. Just say thank
you. All right. Go ahead. That’s being said. Yeah. Well, we’re very very excited to have you back.
Um it’s been a long time. Our show has grown quite a bit. So, I’m sure there’s some people who I
don’t know where they’ve been if they’ve been living under a rock. They haven’t heard about
you. But yeah, if you could tell our listeners a little bit. I know your resume is amazing. Uh
when you’re ready, if you could tell the listeners a little bit about how you got involved in this
field or what you were like as a little kid, what brought you to where you are today? Um I
think that would be really interesting. Uh what brought me to where I am today is I started
having UFO experiences when I was real young. like about five years old or earlier. But at that
time, I didn’t know what UFOs were, even I’d never heard of them. And I went into science and they
always have scientists on as debunkers. I mean, you know, whenever they say UFOs don’t exist, they
always have a scientist come on and say, “Oh, no. dangerous thing there can’t be and so on. So I was
in science and so I didn’t admit that I had UFO experiences for many many many years but finally I
started crawling out of the closet UFO closet and about it and got harassed of course. Of course.
So age five how like what kind of encounters? Uh, my first one was um when my sister and I were
real young kids, we our parents were farmers and we were poor. We lived in an old farmhouse and my
sister and I slept upstairs in an attic room with walls that came together about three feet apart
and um we were in separate beds and I just woke up and this thing was flying around the room.
It was a little thing and it kind of looked like hot iron or something and I wondered what this
was. It wasn’t anything like a lightning bug. It didn’t blink or anything. I know I can know that
it um wasn’t storming for some other reasons, but it was flying around the room the room
and it came close to our head several times. would fly around like close to me and close to
her and um eventually I started to notice that the room was dark but it knew where things were
and it go to a wall and it turn it didn’t bump into anything. it knew where the furniture was and
I knew where the furniture was so I knew it wasn’t bumping into anything and so it seemed really
odd and I couldn’t figure out what it was but I I wasn’t scared or anything and at the time
I didn’t know anything about UFOs anyway so I wasn’t thinking about UFOs or anything I was just
wondering what it was well I didn’t know my sister was awake either that she was and she apparently
knew I was awake she apparently woke up first. Um. Wow. After a while, it flew up to the ceiling. It
turned before it hit the ceiling. It went over the chandelier and it started circling the chandelier.
And it knew where it was. It knew to not hit the chandelier or the walls. It circled between the
chandeliers and the walls. Then it it circled for quite a while. And so it wasn’t the wind blowing
or anything like that. The w the room was closed. There was a door on one side and a window on the
other and door on the other end. And so it circled and circled and then it came down in a spiral and
when it got just about directly under the lamp, we both became terrified, so scared you couldn’t
believe it. just like terror couldn’t believe and ran out of the room screaming and fell down the
stair steps because terrified to run down and then we couldn’t get the door open and we ran to
our parents and they said, you know, we didn’t see anything. That was my imaginations. Oh wow. Where
where was this? What state? Uh it’s next door to where I am now. I had a lot of jobs and returned
to the old family farm. Um, it’s in Ohio. Oh, okay. What year? Long time ago. Okay. Okay. I
get that. Do you ever did you ever uh figure do you have an idea of what that might have been
all these years? You know, since then I at first it was years before I ever heard of UFOs because
we were poor. We didn’t have literature in the house or TV or anything else. We didn’t even have
running water. Things were kind of primitive far. Been there, done that at the same time. Okay. So,
I eventually I found out about UFOs, but I didn’t think of this as a UFO because I thought they were
like airplanes and this was just a little Then later, many years later, I read a book by Jenny
Randles saying that oftentimes that people have repeated UFO experiences start out with little
tiny UFOs in their room at like bedroom sightings or something. And I just heard a um uh podcast
yesterday uh Stan Gordon was talking about that uh orbs and people are paying a lot more attention
to orbs now than they did then. Well, that way back when I was a kid, a very young kid, um we
saw an orb, but yeah. Was it What color was it? It was kind of like hot iron. Hot iron. Okay. Uh you
saw a real honest to God orb. Um people see white orbs. No, that is not an eeky orb. Okay, that
is somebody remote viewing you. Okay, probably or a spirit of something like that. But you saw
one. And what they were doing is you were they were making uh they were in there investigating
your surroundings and they were mapping your surroundings, your room, because when they come
in to check you out after that, they need to know exactly where everything is. But so they don’t
cause problems for the entire house, family, everybody else. They will map your surroundings
and they will spend quite a bit of time doing it. And the fact that they did it while you were
awake, they knew you were awake. There’s no way it didn’t know you were awake. Okay. And I’m sure it
took down every second of y’all just staying calm until you freaked out. Okay. And after that long,
I mean, how long was the sequence? Was it like 20 minutes, 10 minutes? How long? I don’t know.
Uh, my sister was sure she wasn’t in school and I don’t know. So, I was around five or six and
she was around four or so. So, you were engaged in time at that age. Yeah. It probably took it
20 minutes. If you stayed calm for 20 minutes and then bolted, um, they’re like considering the
situation pretty good with you two. You know what I’m saying? They they watch how children react to
everything because they don’t want to scare one to stinking death. Okay? Because children can stop
breathing, too. All right? And um while they’re mapping your room, if you came too and saw it
and just watched it moving around and the fact that you were thinking the whole way through, they
heard every thought you had. By the way, um this was an interesting encounter for you. That’s a
genuine first encounter that you remember. So, did any stuff happen after that or how how long was
the next encounter? Yeah. How long until the next I’m trying to somehow I’m not getting the sound
right here. Um Oh, that’s all right. Technical difficulties. I can hear you better now. Oh,
yeah. I hear you a lot better now. Wonderful. So, yeah. Uh, so that occurred when you were around
four or five or five you said? Yeah, five or six years old somewhere around in that area. Um, how
long was it till your next encounter and what was the next encounter? The next encounter I had heard
of UFOs and I don’t know it was in summer again. Um, it was uh we didn’t have air conditioner or
anything and I was outside sleeping on a a rock to keep cool and it was or it was actually a porch.
It was a big square rock and um I just woke up and looked north and this round thing was coming over.
I saw it from north coming and when it was almost directly over me, I started hearing all the dogs
in the neighborhood began to bark and the um our dog was in the kitchen locked in where it couldn’t
see anything, but it started just thrashing around barking and everything else too. And then
it I mean it didn’t stop or anything, just continued going over. And at the time I was just
absolutely terrified. I mean it didn’t make any noise or anything and I’d heard a flying saucers
by that time. Um but I was scared to say anything because I knew my parents would say you know
I’m lying or something that didn’t happen. Well, with my sister it was real good because they, you
know, told us we were imagining it, but we both saw it and we weren’t even talking about it. Nice
to have another witness. Yes. And um so I was just laid there terrified for the rest of the night
because I was scared to say anything. I was scared to come in and everything else. But there seemed
to be an animal reaction where the animals we country and the the houses were a long ways away
but I knew whose ne the dog the neighborhood dogs and everything. I heard them the barking and our
dogs sort of went crazy. Yeah. Can hear frequency better than we can. And in a wider range low and
high and the the craft emits an electromagnetic pulse. Okay. And dogs pick up on it really really
quick. That’s why they’ll a lot of animals react to actually craft coming in. A lot of them. And
uh the the more sensitive they are to sound, the bigger the reaction. And yeah, dogs it’s like
having a siren go by. Only it’s not the sound that you hear, it’s the sound that they hear like
a dog would. So it’s like, “Hey, what is that? You’re interrupting my brains. Stop it.” You know,
and they start barking. Wow. They make better UFO detectors, I think, than some of those little ones
you can buy. Cats, Cats will run to the window. Dogs will run away and bark and a cat will go to a
window. It’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, you know? Yep. Wow. So, at that point,
were you What were you thinking like this is ET or I? Well, I just heard of UFOs. I didn’t think
much. I don’t know. Um, but I knew not to talk about it by then because we had talked about
the other one because we never heard of UFOs, so we didn’t know to keep quiet and we talked to
everybody about it and the whole family remembers it. But with this one, I kept quiet because I knew
supposed to talk about them. At this age, were you starting to study scientific subjects? Uhhuh. I
think I was around 12, but I’m just guessing. Oh boy. Yeah. Do you remember exactly? I mean, do you
did you see it? In other words, was it all lit up or did you see the metal of it or anything like
that? No, it was just like a orange I thought it was probably something real, but it was just
an orange glow. And yeah, uh air there was sort of an air route over the place, too. It was
about the same angular diameter as an airplane, but it definitely wasn’t an airplane. There wasn’t
I mean it came and went and it still looked like an orange ball. I mean like if it was an airplane
with landing lights it would look different when it went over. Wow. Yeah. That room that was a real
one. You got to see a room. It’s real. It sounds interesting. But it’s fascinating to me because
so many contactees and I’m going to call you on if you don’t mind because once you have a couple
of experiences it starts to become undeniable but so many of them you know start becoming
interested in in quantum physics and astronomy and mathematics and all of these subjects and you
seem to fit that profile pretty strongly. Well, I wanted to be an astronomer when I was a tiny kid
and I never questioned why. But then after I’ve been in giving podcasts and things, people say,
“Well, does this early experience have anything to do with you wanting to be an astronomer?” I
never thought about it, but that’s what I wanted to do. And I don’t know if it had anything to do
with it or not. It did for me. I can tell you that going up on up in the skies, the more I became
interested in I became interested in airplanes, flight, all of it. I mean, I went nuts. It
was off this planet. I wanted to know. And uh it it I mean, I literally obsessed over it
wanting to know. I just hear this so much. We had Mark Dantonio on the show and he’s like, “Yeah,
I was nine years old and I knew I wanted to be an astronomer.” He had just had an encounter himself.
I knew I was going to be a writer at that age. Well, I I tried to get into astronomy all
kinds of times and I finally wound up at DIA, but they didn’t hire females back then and I would
go in and apply and they would say, “You’re a female. You can’t apply.” I couldn’t even get a
application. Wow. Well, I’m glad it’s no longer like that. At least not as bad as it was. Wow.
That’s Oh, heartbreaking and really disappointing. Yeah, it was because I really wanted to be an
astronomer. It really ruined me. I mean, I went into something else and I’m happy, you know, but
totally not what I wanted to do. So, how how did it all develop to you becoming a researcher in
UFOs in this topic? Well, we had other sightings, too. Um, my sister and I had other sightings
together. Um eventually I don’t know I think Pasigula actually was what got me started. Oh
wow. Um what happened was is that my parents are real skeptics and they didn’t believe in UFOs
or anything. And at the time of when Pasigula happened, I was in Missouri and my mother was
in um Ohio on the old farm and they didn’t they were conservative with money and they didn’t spend
money on like long-distance phone calls. But one day my mother called one night and said, “Did you
hear that sound?” And I said, “No.” And she kept asking me that. She said that that my father and I
my father and her had heard an explosion. And so I said, you know, we’re 600 miles away. I wouldn’t
hear the same thing. And she had always said that if we thought she was getting dementia, tell her.
And so I started teasing her and telling her, you know, go to the nut house and everything else. And
so, but it was a real strange thing for her to do. And later, several days later, she called and said
there was just a huge UFO wave that every people were hiding their closets. They were staying home,
keeping their kids at home. And it was just like a war zone. The government, the governor had seen
one, and one had chased one of my mother’s friends in a car and all kinds of things. So anyway, I
thought this was strange from my mother and I always kind of remembered it, but I didn’t pay too
much attention to it. And later I was in a library and they had um I was at Ohio State University and
they had a newspaper room with real newspapers in just tons of newspapers. Oh wow. And so just on an
impulse, I went in and thought I’ll look for when that um when the that phone call from my mother
came in. I don’t know why I did that, but I just did because there were newspapers, I guess. And
I thought I’d never find it because I couldn’t even remember the date, but I remembered it was
I sort of remembered it was like in October, uh, the middle of October, and I thought I saw all
these papers and it was just like Indiana Jones vault that just went on forever. I thought I’ll
never find it. But actually, I did find it. I saw I found a little article in the around the middle
of October that told about a sound. And so anyway, the sound was unexplained and it went across
about half the length of the country and nobody could understand it. And somehow I got interested
in that and this sound actually there were other articles about it and there were articles about
this Pasculi abduction and I was in science and I didn’t pay too much attention. I thought the
abduction was crazy, but so I was interested in the sound and so I did um I did some research
and nobody had explained the sound and uh the state seismologist of Ohio helped me do research
on it and I published it in a scientific journal. The results that there was a strange sound and
that was it happened the same time as a pasoula. um abduction. And anyway, that got me into UFOs
because some UFO people in Ohio had heard of my paper for some reason and asked me to give a
speech about it and I did. And then I started meeting eupfologists from Ohio. And I found out
there was UFO literature and stuff. And I think I I met a number of people like um Rich Hoffman and
other people at that meeting and I I didn’t know who anybody was at the time and that after that
I joined UFO uh groups but I was kind of quiet about it because I was working and people at work
found out I belonged to a UFO group and you know you walk in in the morning they say see UFOs and
all that. So anyway, but I kept quiet about it, but I had had, you know, a number of other
experiences too with UFOs. And so anyway, that got me into eupfology and I wrote some papers
and was a founder of a group and things. But then I became dormant for a while and for some reason I
activated about 2016 and submitted a U manuscript. Philip Manel was advertising for manuscripts and I
submitted a manuscript to him. Actually the first um when I gave the speech about UFOs it was
about um the sound. Well then um so Pascula did a lot for me of getting me into eupfology
and then um so interesting. Wow. Yeah. Philip Mantle published a book a book by republished
a book by um Charles Hixon about the Pascal abduction and then he tried to contact Calvin
who hadn’t who had had was abducted and hadn’t spoken about for 50 years and he and Calvin’s
wife convinced Calvin to start talking about it and so Calvin published two books but then there
were it turned out there were a number of other um witnesses but there and like Philip is in
England, they have this English accent and the people in Pasadulla have a Mississippi accent and
I was kind of in between and he wanted somebody to interview people and ask me and I had Pastor
Ghoul was actually in a way what got me into ufology. So I was really interested even though
at first I just threw out the idea of abduction and didn’t even think about it but then I became
more interested and started interviewing witnesses and things. W 1973 is the year of the humanoids.
There was a book called the year of the humanoids by David Webb. Yeah. Something was going on
that year towards the end of that year. I have a couple of questions to ask you because this is
interesting. Pesky ghoul has always interested me and I have very personal reasons. Preston
has no clue I’m about to say the things I’m about to say. It was in October of 1973. What
time of day did the sound start? Uh it started um about in EST about 8:20 approximately. I just
had to go by newspaper accounts which weren’t real accurate. That’s right. in the evening. Yeah.
Uhu. Yeah. Okay. The second thing is is did anybody see a fireball going in what direction
did it come from? Nobody saw anything. Nobody saw anything. We had look for radar and everything
else. Nobody saw anything. This thing was about from 8:20 to about 9 to the coast. But and it was
it registered on two seismographs too. So there was it was scientific I could you know calculate
caught it. Which where were the what states were the seismographs in? One in Pennsylvania and
one in New York. Yeah. Okay. Now here’s here’s the reason that I’m interested in this. I lived
in the Everglades and my cousin and I were uh quail hunting and it was a thing where we go set
up camp and you get up early in the morning cuz that’s where you go to get quails is early in the
morning. So, we went out to the Gumbo Limo Trail and we found a nice place and we were setting up
camp before dark. We uh were almost finished doing it and I felt this weird thing going on around me.
Okay. And she said, “What’s wrong?” And I said, “Look up.” And we saw it. Okay. We saw it. It
came from New York to Pennsylvania to Florida, the tip of Florida. It was trying to go out to
sea. Okay. trying to get out in international waters and then it came back up and it went
that way. We actually saw it. It was um it was massively huge. It was in trouble and it was
trying very hard to keep control of itself and get to where it would get out. That’s the information
I was receiving. I’m already wide awake, sensient, conscious, unaware of ET, everything. Okay? And I
grabbed her and I said, “Oh my god, look at that.” And it was going like Mach 11. It was that
fast. Just go that fast. Okay. But we saw it cuz we could see it going away from us. It
went directly over. Was it making a sound, Dolly? Yes. It was making a horrible damn sound.
That’s my French. It was loud. I heard it coming forever and then when it came over our heads, I at
first I thought it was low flying jets that were past Mach 2. Okay. No. Okay. Uh it moved too fast
to be Mach 2. It looked like honest to God Mach 4, Mach 5, Mach 6. It was going that fast. It was a
fire. In other words, you know that orange glow that you’re talking about. That’s what I mean by
a fireball. It was It had everything it got trying to stay up and go out to sea. That’s the message
that I heard from the beings on board that craft. We they’re trying to make it out to see into
the Gulf. The Gulf is the better place for them to go when they’re in trouble. Okay. Uh Florida
registered it. And if you go back and you search records in Florida for an asteroid that went over
Florida October the 13th, 1973, that’s what they called it. A big huge asteroid. This is October
the 11th. Oh, the 11th. Well, my I I might be wrong about the dates, but it’s like right there.
Okay. Um, there was no asteroid. It was not an asteroid. Asteroid noise do not make that noise.
Not at all. It was um unbelievably loud. You couldn’t miss it for the world. It was straining
to stay up. And I don’t know why it was making the noise. It might have had a a failure inside the
craft somewhere and it was just trying to stay up. But that’s what I got from it. And I’ve kept
quiet about it all these years. Okay? And I keep listening for people to know what the heck they’re
talking about. this thing in Pascula that came down. There were multiple humanoids on board that
craft, multiple. And I always wondered about it, you know, um I didn’t hear anymore, you know,
everybody deadlocked down on the information. I went through my life asking ET themselves, you
know, what the heck did I just witness? What was going over my head? Blah blah blah blah blah. And
I’d get cut off because they’ll know, they knew at that age that I was going to go look and dive
deep into euphology then. And they told me, “No, stop it. Don’t talk about it. Don’t nothing. Leave
it alone because they wanted me out of that right at that point at my age. And nothing, nothing.
So, here you come and you’re writing about this and I’m reading all the information about it
and I’m like, “Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I know which way it went.” You’re exactly right.
It stopped started up in New York. It was heading for the Gulf. Okay. Came across Florida, which is
where I was, and then for whatever reason, it went to Pasigula and and crashed. And I don’t know if
I don’t know why it did what it did, but it did, you know. Um, it it’s amazing to me. So, I just
wanted you to know that I heard it. Lots of people heard it in Florida and and they passed it off
as a bloody I bet some people may have seen it, too. But who who are you going to tell? You know,
this is still, especially back then, not Well, nobody saw anything u where at the place where
this was, where the sound was. That was why it was so mysterious. Yeah, it was probably trying to go,
you know, they can go interdimensional and it they were trying to go back to being interdimensional.
It was not when it went over our heads. We visualized it really easily. I mean, we saw it as
a giant ball going over our heads. And I thought, that’s not an asteroid. That’s not what they look
like. They have tails. This didn’t have a tail, you know. They have sparks coming off them. This
had no sparks. You know, there’s no sparkle. and we watched it go away from us and it’s just this
big orange ball you know and uh it blew me away. So 1973 the towards October. This was again like
I said the year of the human so many cases going on but somehow the Pascula case became super
famous. Uh there was so many going on but that one really rose above the others. I think it’s
probably one of the best verified cases out there. So why don’t you just give us a quick rundown for
those who haven’t I I’m sure you guys have heard of Pascula but I know that there’s probably a few
listening who haven’t. So maybe I made some new discoveries about it which is what my latest book
is about. But um it was it started out just with these two fisher these two men. One of them was
about 45 or so and the other one was a teenager. They were family friends and co-workers and
they were fishing on a pair and none of them had neither had any interest in UFOs. It was
the last thing on their mind. They were just, you know, after work fishing and um this uh the
older man had wanted the younger man who had the car to park and then they were going back through
this area of no trespassing and the younger man was kind of concerned because it was his car and
he’d get in trouble. And so they went to the pier and um they saw a blue light and the younger
man thought it was the police. And so he was saying to the older man, “You can go to jail. It
was your idea. It wasn’t mine.” And so anyway, they were fishing and this blue light came.
Well, it was much much much worse than the police because it was an object and it came and oh, there
was there it was levitating. It doesn’t, you know, it didn’t have blasts and propeller or anything
like that. I was just levitating along and um suddenly there was this blast of light and
these things came out and two of them grabbed the older man, one grabbed the younger one
and took him inside the thing and they both described sort of something like being scanned
that um something went around them like they were being scanned and then um they were returned into
the pier. Well, they were both conscious. I mean, a lot of abductions take place, you know, with
one witness way out in the middle of the boondocks and the witness forgets about it and doesn’t
know anything about it and doesn’t remember it unless they’re hypnotized and things like that.
So, nobody believes in abductions. And this one was different because they both remembered. And so
anyway, they agreed first of all that they would never tell anybody because you know everybody
how would you tell I mean especially in 1973. I mean if you said you’re abducted now everybody
would say you’re you know see a doctor but back in 73 it was a lot worse than that. And so but
the older man had been in the army and he’d had life and death situations and he thought he could
take the harassment. The younger man didn’t want anything to do with it. was saying about talking
about it. And so anyway, the older man stopped at a newspaper and the newspaper was closed. And
then he uh called the Kesler Air Force Base, which was close by. And uh Project Blue Book
used to collect UFO reports, but at that time, you know, uh Project Blue Book was over with.
And you know, the Kesler Air Force Base said, “Forget about it. Contact your authorities.” So
they contacted the police. Well, the police did just an excellent job. And I think that’s one
reason why it beca the case became famous. The police had them come in and separated them and
interviewed both of them separately. Then they uh they thought these people may be hoaxing
and so they wanted to find out. And so they were gonna put him in a room, you know,
with nobody in it, but a secret hidden tape recorder. Yeah. And they figured that that
these, you know, these people laugh and say, “Oh, we we put it out, you know, put it over on them
and everything.” And so they um interviewed them together in this room and then the interviewer
left and there was a hidden tape recorder. Well, what the hidden taper corner revealed was the
two men were just absolutely terrified out of their minds and they talked about being grabbed
and taken aboard and everything else. Um, so they remembered it and it was very clear to everybody
that they were sincere that they weren’t hoaxing because of the mystery tape. And the mystery tape
is still on um you can find it on the internet and you can hear the stress in their voice and
everything. The one of them started praying and everything else. They were so terrified and so
that had you know that convinced the police that um something was going on. Another reason I think
the police were convinced was because there were a whole lot of other reports pouring in at the
same time that people were seeing things. And so anyway, then uh they had a lot of people interview
the two witnesses and the younger man just said, “I’m not going to talk about it. I’m going to tell
everybody I fainted.” And so he didn’t talk about it for 50 years because of the harassment and all
that. Um, but he definitely was not a publicity speaker uh seeker because they always say, you
know, that people that say that or after publicity and maybe some are, but he didn’t even talk to his
wife about it for 50 years. M um and so anyway, then they had a lot of good people interview him
and took him to one Air Force base and then took them to another because they were worried about
maybe they were radioactive or contaminated or something and they wanted to test them out. Well,
they had um a lot of honchos like uh colonels and things and uh interview them. And there’s a
transcript of that and they saved a lot of the transcripts from everything that happened from
starting and continuing. And um then the older man wrote a book um and the thing sort of died
down. But then Philip Mano published the book of the older man and um he got after the younger man
and the younger man finally his wife was saying why don’t you say something about it you know
talk about it you know and so anyway he finally did and he wrote two books that were published
by Philip Manel but what happened was is that um there were a whole lot of other witnesses and
Usually with an abduction, the reason they’re not considered as real and considered, you know, metal
cases and everything is because a lot of times it’s one person out in the middle of nowhere, no
documentation, nothing and often not remembered or even. And so this was totally different because
there were two witnesses. They both remembered it and it was shown by the mystery tape that
they taped immediately and their interviews and um so it turned out that there were a lot of other
witnesses and Philip and I began interviewing people. Wow. That’s what makes this case so
amazing because when it came out and even for years afterwards I think everyone was just under
the impression that Calvin had yeah Calvin Parker had fainted uh because that’s what I thought. So
it turns out that’s not true and I understand him not wanting to talk about it. Absolutely cannot
place any blame on anyone who doesn’t want to talk about these things. Uh but so interesting that
no he actually was fully conscious through the whole thing and that there were outside witnesses
because we don’t we haven’t heard about that. So this some of the new information that’s in your
latest book here is the outside witnesses. Well, uh, Philip and I wrote the book that came out
about two years ago, Beyond Reasonable Doubt. And, um, we called it that because we thought there
was enough, um, circumstantial evidence that to convince a jury that something happened. And at
that time uh in 1973 the police uh the police um um the person that was answering the phone I
can’t think of what’s in at the headquarters of the police um said that there were over 50
calls from people reporting something strange and I mean that was just overwhelming. Um he
he he said he wrote down notes about 50 and there were more people than that that were going
over a bridge where the thing was and um so that wouldn’t be influenced by the press or anything
else because this was happening right when the abduction was happening. I mean all these people
were reporting that they saw something. Then um uh then we came along and it turned out that
there were other people that re that knew about it but didn’t report it. It was very hard to report
at that time because if you said you saw a UFO, everybody, you know, immediately attacked and
laughed at you and you’d be the laughing stuck, which is why Kelvin didn’t say anything is
because he had his whole life ahead of him. He didn’t want to always, you know, be harassed
the rest of his life. And um smart guy. Yeah. So, were they able to get any of the reports on
their like did they have doctors look over them? whatever test they conducted with them.
Did Did do you have any of those? Yeah, I talked I interviewed I interviewed one of the doctors
that examined them and he he’s dead now, but he um said that he had no doubt whatsoever that they
were sincere, that he could tell they were very, very stressed stressed out of their minds and
about to have a heart attack and everything else. And he said he knew they were sincere. I think
there were two doctors that went over them. Um, did they have any effects happen to them?
Was there any radiation? Was there any um tacoc cardia stuff like that? In other words,
when you say you feel like you’re going to have a heart attack, sometimes when you’re
around a lot of electromagnetic radiation, it can cause you to go into AIB or VTAC. And I
was, yeah, that’s that’s in my book and it’s in his latest book, too. Um, one thing we found
out was is that we he found all these papers and documents that were written about it. One
of them was called the um I can’t remember. Oh, the uh Oh, the puncture wound document. I’m
sorry, I forgot that. And this was written um about the next day after they had reported
it and some doctors investigated him. I mean, these were PhD doctors in physics.
They weren’t um but anyway uh they were um they were there was some evidence um such as
Hixon had some scratches on his arm and Parker had what appeared to be a puncture wound on his foot.
and they had and Philip Man actually found the pictures too besides the document. So they were
examined immediately afterwards for things. And um then I noticed my PhD is in um veterinary
medicine, but you know, I know humans a little bit too. But anyway, it talked about their eyes
being dilated and um that was a day later. But um if you and explained it as because the light
was so bright in this object, but if light is bright, it makes your eyes strict. It doesn’t make
them dilated. And theirs were dilated, you know, like a day or so later, which would suggest that
they were given drugs or something and drops to dilate their eyes so they could see in. Well,
they both thought they had been given a shot. Oh, okay. And when they had when they thought they got
these shots, they thought they I mean, they were terrified. You can imagine, you know, but then
they just felt relaxed and they couldn’t move and they were paralyzed when the abduction took
place. And so that would go along with the idea that maybe they were given drugs or something.
Mhm. But um then there were other effects um that I noticed in my book here that mention
that one thing when they were turned back out uh the beings or whatever they were put them back
on the pier. Well, like what happened to Kelvin was that he was st he wound up standing at the end
of the pier with his arms stretched out over the uh river and I looked up, you know, posture and
things and you can have when you have something that just really gets to your nerves that can
affect your posture and like he was just standing there like that in a strange posture And um it
took him it when the when uh Charles came out he fell down and he couldn’t walk for a while but it
got his legs still working and then he saw Calvin standing there like that just in a rigid position
with totally out of it and he had to wake him up and everything. So that was another effect um
that didn’t catch the news or anything but I just noticed those two things due to my sort of medical
background in a way. Um but Calvin al also said that there were effects on his car and when they
went back to their car um the window on the uh passenger side was shattered but didn’t actually
break until they opened it. And then Calvin said later that his belt bucket was attracted to the
car and then he said his keys stuck to the car. So there seemed even though the UFO is no longer
there, it got magnetized. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s good physical evidence. Yeah. Yeah. That that
turns up in a number of other cases I know of and it’s the kind of thing that you can’t easily
fake either because I mean how do you reproduce that? How do you magnetize a car? Not easy to do.
Wow. That’s amazing. So going on from there, this is the case that just kind of keeps on giving,
huh? Oh, we’re just finding out more and more stuff all along. Um, I mean, there were documents
way back and everything else that it was amazing job of things. And then with
the other witnesses, um, uh, when Calvin started talking about it, he
was on YouTube and describing what happened to him and there were a whole lot of people writing
in and making comments about it. And among some of them were this woman that said, “Well, her
mother, her parents saw the abduction that drew his attention.” And yeah. So anyway, he asked me
to he found out who the parents were and asked me to interview him. And I just thought this normal
interview of somebody that had a sighting. Well, none of these were normal turned out, but anyway,
her name was Mary Blair and her husband was Jerry Blair. And they were um on the other side of the
river. Uh there was another pair and they were waiting to go on a boat, a supply boat, and
he was waiting for his boss who was tied up someplace. And so they were sitting there in a car
by the pier, and they saw this commotion on the other side, and they didn’t know what it was. And
then the next day or so, it was in the newspaper, the radio or whatever, that these people had
been abducted. Well, they discovered they’d been on the other side of the river and what they
saw as activity had probably been the abduction. But what else happened was is that she said that
she saw this object flying over the river. Her husband was sleeping in the car because he had to
go out and go to work whenever his boss came. And so she saw this thing flying around the river.
And she said she thought it was an airplane, but it just flew around and it didn’t land any place
and there was no landing place and she couldn’t understand what it was doing. And she kept saying,
“Well, it was searching for something or the pilot couldn’t figure out what he was doing or it was
lost or something. He said it was just circling around.” Well, then um it was around 9:00 and he
decided to put his clothes in the ship. And so they were walking along the pier and he was ahead
of her. And she said that something that looked like a man just flopped up in pair ahead of her
and then flopped back down and she thought this man will have to come up to breathe and nothing
came nobody came up to breathe. Then they went to the boat and it seemed to be like what did they do
for 3 hours and she then she said 12:00 she came back and she was so terrified she ran back and
that set off alarms to me because she was really emotional about this thing that flopped up on the
um pier and I wondered what happened during these three hours when they were in the ship. Yeah. Red
flag, right? Yeah. it had a lot of red flags. And so anyway, I stayed in contact her with for about
two years and she was just showed a lot of emotion about this thing that flopped up on the pyramid,
everything. And so about a couple years later, um her husband became ill and he went on um uh
he became very ill and went on a ventilator and unfortunately died. But right before I went on
the ventilator and you can’t speak when on a ventilator, but um right before that, he’d always
been a skeptic and made fun of everything and all that. Well, then suddenly he told her that they
had been abducted. This was news to her, but she um, you know, it was surprising. And apparently
her husband had been in contact with these beings sometime before and never mentioned anything
about it and had always been a skeptic and, you know, said these don’t exist. And so she was
very surprised. But then later when she kind of recovered from his death and things, Philip
hired somebody to hypnotize her because she kind of wanted to be hypnotized anyway. And she
remembered um a little bit about the abduction and um that they were interested in her eggs and
her DNA and they wanted to kind of get hybrids and walk among us, she said. and that came under
hypnosis, but she remember apparently her husband knew all about the abduction. And so that was
really really unusual because we had two groups of people being abducted at the same time in the same
place, which isn’t something something brand new, right? It’s a shame they didn’t go to the police.
And I mean, you know what I mean? This feels almost intentional that this was an event that was
meant to be widely viewed because so many cases don’t have this kind of outside confirmation.
It’s really remarkable. Well, then I started interviewing more people and I’ve interviewed over
50 people that um reported seeing UFOs. some of them close encounters that made their cars, you
know, turn off and things like that all around. And so there was a lot more and there were a whole
lot of people on the same night that had something happen. So um there was a lot of other sightings,
a lot of other people saw something that and it was very hard to report then because if you
said UFOs, everybody laughed at you and the it was there was no place to report it because there
wasn’t a project blue book and like uh Charlie had to try three times to report his own abduction. So
it was very hard to report but the um and people had called in right then and reported it but then
we were finding a lot more people that were just the same as Calvin that didn’t say anything
because of the harassment but um you know they said they told their family about it and things.
Wow. So the figures they saw were pretty unique in terms of you know what’s in the UFO literature.
The did the family or the couple across the other side of the river did they describe similar
beings? I think sort of in general uh he said I think it was kind of blurry with what she
remembered. Um and he’s described him as being um taller. Uh Kelvin and Charlie reported him as
being shorter but real chunky and muscular and things like that, but they reported him as being
taller. But I think everybody was stressed and I think you know you don’t remember exactly things
when you’re that stressed. So I thank you. Yeah, I’ve always said this, fear distorts your
perception and makes it very difficult to report accurately all the details. So, I always
wondered about the appearance of the Pascagula beings uh because you know the the points coming
out like that. We just don’t see many cases with that and we No, no. Go on. Um yeah, what? Yeah,
I’m curious about it. Um, is So, did they ever I thought if you were going to make up a story,
you’d look up the what a UFO knot looks like and report it. And they were completely different
from anything else because a lot of the like the grays are good point. Little things with big
eyes. And these were these are bulky, you know, things like that. There’s there are grays there
are ethnic grays who are uh dwarf size. Okay. And they’re chunky muscular dudes. Okay. And uh it’s
amazing. They mostly I see them around children. And it’s interesting that they saw them like
that. But yeah, they’re also really good swimmers, by the way. Stinking good swimmers. And uh it’s
interesting, you know. So, so I understand that both Charlie and Calvin had encounters following
this event on Pascula. Is that true? Yes. Um Yeah, they did. Um and that, you know, that ruined their
credibility because back then if you saw one, you were crazy. If you saw more than one, you
know, go to the insane asylum immediately. So anyway, but they had and now it’s more
common. A lot of people that see one see more, but I mean such as me, but yeah, I’d say it’s more
the rule than who is a great but anyway, you know, anybody that sell more than one, you know, but it
turns out that a lot of even UFO investigators, predominant big UFO investigators such
as Hastings and um Fowler and Salis have actually reported abductions and more than
one sightings. But um they reported um Charles um and his family were driving along and a UFO
came down beside him not too far away and they stopped and everything. So there were a lot of
witnesses, the other the rest of his family and stuff, but his wife just absolutely went out of
her mind in fear. And so they didn’t stay very long. They got out of there. But in that case,
there were a number of other people. And then um too bad. It’s too bad she reacted. you
know, I can’t blame her, but you know, becoming frightened. But I always wonder
if you don’t get frightened like that, it might have been a more interactive, more
extensive encounter and may have learned quite a bit because I remember that. I remember that
happening. Some people’s mates are scarier than they are, right? Probably means that there’s
something going on with the mate. Another red flag. Yeah. Yeah. They’re unpredictable to a
male will sometimes protect the female and if the female starts freaking out, it’s like not
a good situation immediately to them because they’re worried about what the male’s going to
do to them. You see what I’m saying? Because they won’t fight back. And if you get the idea that you
can overtake them and it’s all over for them. So, they have to be careful what they do and how they
react to it. Um, I have a question. The two men, what did they do for a job when this all occurred
in Pasigula? What was their jobs? Uh the older man was a supervisor in a shipping company and he
had just hired Calvin for his first day of work. Um uh Calvin was Calvin’s father was his friend
and um so they the family was looking for a job for Calvin and he had been working I think
driving a bus or something and in the oil rigs and he wanted a stable job because he was going
to get married and so uh Charlie offered him a job and that was his first day of work. Wow. What
kind of shipping company? What did they ship? Um, it was Walker Company and they built ship
building company. Okay, that’s interesting. Wow. But that’s one thing that my new book is
about is that um there were all these other witnesses and this was very very very strange
for are you is there a break here? Yeah. Okay. um just flashing the book up because you
mentioned it. Yeah, good. Thanks. Um um what was interesting was is that there were all
these other witnesses and that’s strange for an induction which usually takes place with
one person by themselves in the middle of nowhere. And here there were all these other uh
witnesses which just didn’t it wasn’t just like a standard abduction tail at all. But what I
figured out later and recently and what I’m talking about in the book is is that actually
this was a military sighting. Thank you. Okay. I was waiting for that word to show up. Go
ahead. Yeah. because um they were in the area of Huntington in Engles Industries and real
close to it and Huntington Engle Industries was um they didn’t people didn’t know it and
I nobody just realized it until now but it was a nuclear site. They were making
nuclear submarines and not only that Yeah. some of their submarines had nuclear missiles in
them. So this we all know about the connection there that ETSs are very concerned about our use
of nuclear materials. So this does not surprise me. Wow. I wonder what was going on then for for
a craft to be having problems and then show up because they don’t make noise. Okay. And if you
have a craft that’s making that kind of noise, it wasn’t doing a display for anybody or showing off,
it was literally in a lot of trouble, okay? And it and it somehow managed to fix itself, okay, which
can happen. And then went on to do what it was going to do. And it had to be important to them
to get to that point where they had to get there to get to them. And I’m wondering what was going
on. There was a lot going on in 1973 that y’all don’t realize what’s going on, especially with
nuclear, okay? because it was uh being planted all up and down the Gulf Coast, literally all the
way to Florida. Okay. Really? Because that’s where mostly that the wave of humanoids was in the Yes.
the southeast area. That’s right. The Northwest. That’s a big deal. And um there’s more nuclear in
the coastal areas than you realize it’s all there and people just don’t realize they’re there unless
they work for them and then they know and they’re not allowed to talk about it. Um it is amazing to
me what did they do after the incident? Did they stay in the industry that he was in? I mean what
how did their lives go after that? Well, uh, uh, Charlie kept on working, but Kelvin, he he was
very very severely affected by it, and he went, um, back to Wow. his parents place, and then
he had a nervous breakdown, was hospitalized, and then he kept trying to he would work, but
people figure out he was a person that had the UFO thing. and he was famous, but he didn’t want
to be famous. He didn’t want he wanted it to just disappear. And so he had to keep changing jobs to
um because he would attract attention. And um he continued working. I went he went back to the oil
fields and um I forget what else, but he continued working and Charlie continued working. Now you
you mentioned that uh gosh, I get them confused. Charles Hixon, he’s the older guy. He had an
encounter following this. Kelvin Parker did as well. Kelvin Parker, um, he seemed to have a more
involved, uh, encounter because he not only saw these these things that they thought were robots
that abducted them, but he also thought there was something in the uh, object that was like a woman.
And you know I don’t know if it was a woman but he said it looked kind of human but um I don’t think
he thought it was a human but um she um talked to him then and may have taken the blood sample and
he said several times that he died and came back to life when he was being abducted and she might
have given him a transfusion of different types of blood or something. And then in 19 um 92 he had
another encounter with her and then in 1993 had still another encounter with her and so he had two
more events. Wow. Amazing. And now did either of them have you know report I should say having any
encounters as young children because often we see that with contactees if they’re having repeated
encounters usually it does go back to childhood as as you know well with Hixon I interviewed his
son and his son said he grew up uh close to his grandparents and that he and his grandmother both
sold these orbs flying around when they were real young. And his mother, his grandmother just seemed
to accept it. And so, um, apparently they had had some other things when they were young. Wow. Well,
that’s fascinating. But what about Char? Yeah, Charles. Oh, that that’s you were talking about.
That was his son that I was talking about. Okay. Oh, all right. And but Kelvin, he didn’t report
anything as a kid. He I don’t think he reported anything else from when he was young. Boy, my
heart just breaks for him. He’s How How old was he when the Pascula case took place? He was, I think,
18 going on 19 or something. Some of them said 19 and some said 18, so I wasn’t sure. A teenager.
Yeah, he was real young. I was 14 in 1973. So, Wow. That’s amazing. Well, he really went through
a lot and God bless him for coming forward. So, he he had no plans on coming forward until uh
Philillip and you guys got involved. He uh well, his wife wanted him to come forward. She he
hadn’t even talked to her about it. He said she said that they uh that she found out about
it when they were engaged. They were engaged when this happened and he had moved back to his parents
and had a nervous breakdown. He said for some time afterwards he had a big a tick in his mouth that
you know a nervous tick for months afterwards but he didn’t talk about it for years and she finally
thought he should write a book about it or say something about it because he’d repressed this
all these years and it had influenced him and then um also Philip also tried to convince him
so finally he decided to say something. Has it helped? Yeah, he said it helped a lot
because I think the atmosphere had changed too because you know if you said that back then
everybody, you know, but since Yeah, it Yeah, that’s crazy. I feel bad for him. I really do.
I opened my mouth one time and it bit me hard, you know, and I I never said another word to
another human being after that. shut up. You know, didn’t talk. And uh I was still ridiculed for a
long time. My friends were It pushed me to the outside of everybody, you know, I never really had
I had one really close friend and a few others, but that’s it. I only had four in my core, you
know, just four friends. That’s it. I knew a lot of people, but I mean, people walked miles around
me because of it, you know. Yeah. Well, I began investigating in 1986. My family thought I’d lost
my mind. like what is wrong with you? Like no, this is real. This is And finally, you know, they
I was able to provide enough evidence, eyewitness testimony and such to bring them all around, but
it was it was a yearslong process where they, you know, didn’t ridicule me and gaslight me
and kind of roll their eyes. Uh but still, we’re not even there at this point. There’s still
a lot of work to be done. I think this book will definitely help because it’s the kind of case
that like you said is beyond any reasonable doubt something happened. Yeah. How was he able to do
any uh picture work for it? You know, drawings or anything like that? Uh Charles had made drawings
right after it happened and they’re in our books. He made a picture of the object and rough
drawing of the what you call beings or robots or whatever they were. All right, I want to pop up
a question from chat. This is actually about you, Ireina rather than Kelvin. But Michelle is asking,
I would love to hear if Ireina has had any recent or somewhat recent contact experiences. Um, I
had one in, let me see, I look at I’ll look at the date here. I had one recent one um in 2016 um
right here where I live. I was um out in the yard and believe it or not, I was taking pictures of
the planets. There were real clear night and there Saturn and Mars and Venus were out and things
and I thought it was really nice. And I had a um um iPhone, but I also had a um um a camcorder,
which is astronomy, but I thought I could get good pictures of the color of things. So, I had
a camcorder set up and I was standing out in my yard with the camera in my face taking pictures
of the planets and these two objects, these two red objects came by and I had a camera in my hand
and I didn’t take a picture which I just couldn’t believe. I was so stupid and I don’t think they
were too far away. I thought they were like a Yeah. Do you know how many people say that? I’m
like 95% of everybody with cameras in their hands with a big UFO coming over or going by don’t even
think to go click click click click click. They don’t it doesn’t register. You’re not I couldn’t
I couldn’t believe it. I mean I saw these things and they went by and I didn’t take a picture.
Then as soon as I my brain started working, I snapped the camera and later I looked at it and
there were several objects in it which I don’t they look light against the background. It was
dark and so they weren’t birds or anything. But then immediately after that the sky began flashing
with all these flashing lights and blinking lights and they were going from west to east. Well, I
ran to the cam camcorder and I can’t believe it, but I actually got it in focus and I got pictures
of the flashing lights. Cool. And so anyway, I got um I figured that the things that I that I got
in the camera were maybe the lights to start with that weren’t flashing, but that had registered
on the iPhone, but then with the camcorder, I got flashing lights, but they didn’t stay very
long. They went on and I couldn’t find them after that. Were they in a long line or were they in a
formation? No, there were a bunch of them. They were all over big area of the sky. Okay. All
right. Just flash, flash, fl. And there were two or three red lights that flashed on three or
four times and then looked like they were taking off from someplace. And so, um, I put that on,
uh, Facebook and on YouTube, but, I didn’t report it for quite a while because I was seeing if
I got other witnesses, which I didn’t, but um, I finally reported it um to an organization.
One of the things that I know about ET, you know, they have an electromagnetic pulse, okay? And
uh, with digital cameras, you can pick up uh, the pulse. You can see their light pulsing from
the electromagnetic burst. Okay? And but it’ll start here and then it’ll pulse again over here
because they’re moving, right? And if it’s moving in a circle, you’ll see dot dot dot dot dot dot
dot. It’ll look like they’re everywhere all at one time. And uh they’re they’re half in and half out
of dimensional space. So you’re seeing the pulse of the light and it looks like a lot of them, but
what you’re really seeing is one or two. And uh I I would love to hear what you know I’d love to
see that film actually because I got a feeling you got real ET. I mean really back engineered stuff
don’t really do that. Not like ET because they’re moving pretty fast and uh they can I mean they can
move on a dime. You can do anything but if it’s going pulse pulse pulse pulse pulse pulse pulse
you’re seeing in a half a second them moving uh really fast. You know, it’s like it’s like uh you
know, if you try to film a helicopter, sometimes the blades look like they don’t move. Okay? And
when you’re filming with a camera or VCR, same thing. You know, the film is moving at a certain
pace. The electromagnetic pulses are happening at a certain pace and then they’re blinking at
a certain pace. So, you’re catching what might look like a lot of them, but it’s really one.
You know what I’m saying? It’s kind of cool. Well, I still have the film, but I’ve tried to
send it to people and I’ve sent it to some people, but it’s high definition and it’s very difficult
to send through the internet because it takes a lot of Yeah. Do you have goo the Google Do you
have Google Drop? There’s Dropbox and other Google Yeah. I don’t think mine works very well.
I have to check. I’ve tried to send it and not been very I’ve had to send it by um this way. Oh,
I’ll send you an invitation and you send it back to me. How’s that? In other words, it’s real easy
for you to send it back to me. I’ll send you an invitation to send me something and you just put
it on there and it’ll go to me. How’s that? Well, I’ll try. It takes a long time to load. I just
have a few seconds of video, but I had the camera in high definition. The other the still pictures
I took showed several objects going. I mean, but they were still pictures. They were just like
three or four objects. And then I ran to the video and got that, but I it was in high definition.
Yeah. One of the things about ET is when they’re up in the sky like that, they’re not moving 45
miles an hour. They’re not moving 200 m an hour. They’re not moving a thousand miles an hour.
They’re literally moving at a triple or quad speed above your head. And if they’re circulating
you or just looking at the area, I’m telling you, it’ll look like there’s a whole bunch of them out
there when there’s really only one or two. That’s what I’m trying to explain. It’s like they’re
out of our time. They’re at a think in our time. And so, it’s really hard even for the camera
to visualize what the heck that is going on. Most people don’t get that, but it’s it’s a real
phenomenon. And the government knows about this, by the way. They bloody know the truth of that
about that because of of the way they operate and the electromagnetic pulses that they put out.
And uh that’s why I want to see it because I want to see I want to see if I can if you got one or
two or a whole bunch. See what I’m saying? It was it was something handy because uh when I made
the video, the whole group or whatever it was was going west to east. Well, I could use one
side of the video as control to the other side because the other side had the east side had a
lot more blinking and everything than the west side. And so I could compare them and say, you
know, something was over here definitely because it was the same sky, but you could see a lot more
blinking on one side. Amazing. Well, going back to the Hicks and Barker case and your new book, how
many witnesses were you able to interview that in some way corroborated their story? Around 50. And
um they 50 weren’t all that night, but there were a fair number that saw things that very night.
And um some of them were pretty amazing like um like uh there were a group of people that were
uh west of them some distance and they were just driving along. One of them was a famous person.
And there were three men or they were young men and um they were driving along and this was the
same night as the abduction. They said a object went over them their car and then something uh
something small came down from the object and got right in front of the car right in front of them.
And it was kind of like it was clicking. They’re taking pictures and they said they were all just
paralyzed and like in a trance and they just drove along with this thing in front of them. Then it
flew away and they didn’t know what happened to it. But they said that um and then after it
left they suddenly came too and said what was that? What was going on? And this was like
an awful lot like what happened to Charles and um uh Kelvin, but this was like a 100 miles away,
but it was the same time. And it they were having this feeling of being scanned and had this thing
come out of the wall and look at them and these other people and they were paralyzed at the time
and everything like that. Well, these other people said they were paralyzed in like in a trance too
and this thing came down and this happened the same time. And let’s face it, 100 miles away for a
UFO is nothing. Nothing. They can do that in what? One second. Yeah. One second. Yeah. Yeah. The
paralyzing thing I really believe that um well, I don’t believe I know it. It’s a phenomenon of
fright or flight. And your body will freeze you solid if you’re that frightened where in other
words, you’ll either decide you’re so frightened you don’t know what to do or you’ll you’re so
frightened you could you’re going to run. You make the decision to run. Okay? And most people don’t
run. They freeze solid and they can’t do anything. It’s like they can’t register anything. It’s it’s
like an ex existential blip in the brain. The brain shuts you off and you’re done. And uh yeah,
you become rigid. I think if you have enough Yeah. Out standing up. I’m not kidding. Did did anyone
else see humanoids on that night that or was other than the couple across the river and of course
Charles Hixon and Calvin Parker or were there any landings or were these I mean the one with the
Yeah, there were they not right where they were but there was another uh like a u I think he was
working for a newspaper u TV station or something some distance away that saw humanoids, but he was
afraid to say anything for a long time because he said nobody believe him. But he said he saw
humanoids and that happened the same night at the same time. Wow. What about you yourself? Have you
seen humanoids or had missing time if I might ask? Well, my sister and I had another close encounter
um that lasted a while and we probably had missing time, but neither of us remember, you know, an
abduction. And I when it happened, I talked to this really weird person that um told me I was
crazy and then you tried to kill us, but um we probably had missing time, but neither one
of us remember anything about abduction or anything. Wow. So, how does your sister
feel about the research you’re doing? Well, at first she, you know, was um apologizing,
but now that’s more accepted. Well, she I mean, I’m really lucky because a lot of people have a
UFO experience with somebody else and the other person says nothing happened, you know, and I
was really lucky because my sister always said, “Yeah, something happened.” So, we both,
you know, saw something and admitted it. Wow. Wow. Kelvin and Charles glad to How do you
feel about it? In other words, how do you What? Our internet is getting a little Did you breathe?
Huh? I think we all did for a second. Yeah, the internet’s a little glitchy. Did I hear
you pressing froze up? I didn’t What’ you say? Something seems to be Yeah, we we had a couple
X-class uh CMEs yesterday and their energy is starting to hit and there was um they were pretty
high up there in the next class too and they were earth facing so we’re going to be doing stuff.
Preston, you’re still frozen. Um all I’m going to come out go back in. Oh my goodness. Okay, he’s
gonna come back in a minute. So, all right. Let me ask you a question. How do you feel about all this
now? How what’s your opinion of the phenomenon? In other words, do you feel like this is um uh a
bad thing coming at you or if if they’re just, you know, what’s your opinion? I don’t want to
lead you into an answer. What’s your opinion about all of this, you know, phenomena? My opinion
is I think a lot of people have experiences and a lot more people than admit it because, you know,
it’s still hard to talk about. But um I think that we’re just kind of primitive. I mean they always
haul out a scientist and the scientist says we’re the only intelligent life in the universe. There
can’t be any other. So therefore UFOs don’t exist and all that. Well, how will we know whether I
mean we may not be intelligent and we certainly may not be the only life in the universe. And
so, um, I think when we know absolutely nothing about something’s here, it affects people, but
scientists throw it out because they can’t put do an experiment on it and control it. So,
therefore, it doesn’t exist. Well, heavens, that’s illogical. We ought to be exploring things.
They’re controlling a narrative. They don’t teach us certain things in school anymore. Not since I
was a kid, even. Um, we’re all sentient beings, sentient. And they’ve realized over the years that
not only we are sentient, but animals are sentient as well. And uh, sensience has intelligence.
And that’s the proof that we’re intelligent is because we are sentient, we can realize
self, we understand, we observe, we react to one another. Takes an a sentient being to do that.
We have empathy. Um, animals display all the same characteristics that we do, which means a higher
intelligence. Uh, something’s going on there, right? But science doesn’t want you to know the
truth about that because it all ties in to what ET is and what they represent. And they are on the
boat of no, you’re not going to know the truth. And they will direct humanity in any which way to
hold on to their narrative. They have reasons, you know, and we we all have to I mean, just like they
won’t even let experiencers come into Congress and which ones I think they’ve had one, but he
he’s a military person, you know, whistleblower experiencer. Uh Gush isn’t even an experiencer. He
just hears stuff, you know, um and says he knows stuff. It’s not good enough for me. There are
plenty of us on this whole entire planet, you included, Preston, me, a lot of people, even in
our chat, who have absolute phenomenal information that we could be delivering toward toward data,
you know, so that we could all compile it together and come up with a reasonable explanation for
what’s going on. And we pretty much already done that. I mean, we’ve all been talking about this
long enough. There’s some consensus going on, you know, experience between experiences. We
all are pretty much the data is out there. We can all glean from it. Preston has and uh and
understand by the way. Yes. Am I moving? Yes. Because because what I wanted to ask uh Ireina is
did Calvin and uh Charlie realize that there were all these other witnesses and if they did, when
did they find out? And how did they feel about it? Well, I think when Charlie died several years ago
that he didn’t know that. Um, but Kelvin, he just died not too long ago. And after he published his
book, he got all kinds of favorable comments from all kinds of people. And at the time he published
it was being more accepted. So he was finding out that, you know, other people saw it. But I
think this is important because for one thing, nobody listens to um abductees and all that
and they should because like with this example, we have a whole lot of other witnesses that
saw things and reported it and even when it was happening, a lot of people reported it. But then
I think the other thing was just what I had in the book there. This is an atomic uh nuclear site
where they had nuclear missiles and the government goes all out just crazy protecting these things.
I mean, they spend zillions of dollars on security and all that. Well, if a UFO comes over and turns
off a missile or something, u Robert Salis, who uh saw the Yeah. Um he helped me write it. um
if it turn they think it turns off a missile or something, they just ignore it. And in this
case, these are people around the nuclear site that were subject to mind control, things that
happening to them, abduction by a nuclear site. And I mean there were examples of people that were
being like zombies and things and that’s dangerous at a nuclear site. I mean they’re spending all
this money with security and totally not paying attention to something that’s here there doing
something. Actually they do pay attention. They pay attention 247. They they had to know this
was going on. They had to have seen it. Yeah, thank you. Alter I mean I just can’t. So yeah,
I saw that on the title of your book here. Um, best documented government and mind control
dimensions. So can we dive a little bit deeper into that? What what did you find out in terms
of them doing these kind of mind control things? That’s that’s alarming. I think abduction is like
mind control in a way too. But for example, uh uh well there was a man that was during his working
hours in um HIi Huntington Les. He was working and he saw he and other people saw a UFO fly over
the company and uh circle the um one of the buildings and leave. But his um daughter-in-law,
not too long later, just a few days later, she and another her she and her husband, another couple,
it was a maintenance building, I’m sorry. She and um she and her husband, another couple just out on
the street talking to each other and they looked up and saw a UFO and then they just turned around
and walked back to their houses. And then after they both later they thought, “What is wrong with
us?” We didn’t look at it. We didn’t mention it. We’re just like, you know, something took us over
and that was like that people that I was talking about that had the thing come down when they
were driving along. They were like they were in a trance. Yeah. You you realize that the hippocampus
is a funny thing, right? And that uh when you’re afraid, your hippocampus is not going to store
into your permanent memory something that’s that fearsome. It will let it erase. It’ll take it. It
it it’s not a delusion. It’s not it’s not somebody else doing it to you. We do it to ourselves. It
is a very physical human reaction to input that we can’t understand or take. So, we let it go. And
uh it’s almost like a hypog hypnotic self-hypnotic uh way of dealing with it. Uh fear that intense
or something that’s so out of your wheelhouse that you just can’t make it and your hippocampus will
not let you remember it. A lot of people don’t understand that. We do this to each other all the
time. Uh it is uh and I’ll give you for instance when you go to war and you’re fighting and you
see things that are unbelievably bad while you’re under tremendous stress and tremendous fear and
you come away from it. You don’t remember. A lot of times you will like let it go just go it’s
gone. You get debriefed. They debrief you right away after every incident to get it written down.
And they have companies where there’s a guy, a clerk who, you know, either now it’s all digital,
but they get every single person to debrief into what that is because if they don’t get it right
at that minute, 90% of those guys are going to let it go and will tell you two weeks later, “What
are you talking about? I don’t remember that.” Okay? It is a natural human thing for your hippo
hippocampus not to let you have that information. That’s what’s occurring with the UFO thing. It’s
not them messing with your brain. It’s us messing with our own brains. Uh, one of the things that
uh is also occurring on top of that is that we got military that know this. We have military people
who will mess with humans and do things like the myabers who will mess with you so bad. They’ll
screw up what you’re thinking. They can brainwash you. They can do all kinds of things. They can
use drugs on you. Everything in their power. And they practiced that at a long time. I wish that
humans would drop the fear factor. This is one of the problems we have with not understanding what’s
going on. Like the word abduction, an abduction is some a bad situation. For us, an abduction is
you’re physically taken and a ransom or you’re killed. Okay? This is how we observe abduction.
ET doesn’t abduct. They give you back to yourself. They bring you home. Sometimes healed, sometimes
better off than you were. And a lot of people don’t remember it because their hippocampus won’t
let them because it’s just too, like I said, too far out of their wheelhouse. Yeah. I will
say a lot of people I’ve interviewed don’t like that word. Well, some use it, but I use it in my
book and I said abduction observables and like they have UFO observables. I was saying abduction
observables. Some common things about that often are reported in abductions. Right. It starts with
a blast of light or there’s time problems. Yeah. And things like that. Features that turn up again
and again, right? Or the UFOs, they don’t like with an airplane, it takes off from someplace and
it lands someplace and there’s a flight um path. Well, a UFO, they just appear and disappear and
they can be close and things like that, which plus they levitate and there’s all kinds of things that
just totally throw our physics out of the book. And so people say they don’t exist. Well, uh, plus
with abduction, I was also mentioning that I don’t you you think of abduction as being taken aboard
a craft, and I don’t think that’s necessarily what it is because I was giving some information
in the book about possible abductions where in military things where it’s timed and there
seem to be abduction properties, but nobody was knew anything about being taken out or anything.
It can just happen in a second, right? I think that they can pull people out of the the third
dimensional time stream. I’m also concerned about some of these cases being what we would call mind
control and not involving ETSs whatsoever. So, I think there’s a lot to unpack here and it’s
it’s very difficult to sort out at times. Yeah, it it fear is our number one issue. And
humans have been taught to fear everything, okay? Especially in the 70s, if you were just
a little bit weird or you had psychic ability, you were picked on for that, too. If you saw a
ghost, you were picked on for that, too. Nothing anybody did outside of the quote unquote normal
quote activity or behavior was considered you’re nuts. And uh they went hard on everybody from the
50s all the way forward. It began in the 50s and it got worse and worse and worse and worse to
wor. Nobody wanted to talk about anything. And it they put fear into us like you would not
believe. I’ve met people honest to goodness people who couldn’t say two words to me straight
to my face. Even as a nurse, okay, and make any sense to me at all because they were 100% shaking,
teeth clacking, eyes rolling back into their head, ready to pass out or, you know, seize fear. Fear.
Okay. And and I mean it happens to people like you come in the emergency room, we’ll have somebody
who’s really really terrified. They’ve never been sick a day in their life and then suddenly all
heck’s breaking loose and they’re they’re being hooked up to everything. It’s this situation they
may have to go to surgery and they are literally losing their minds. And I’m telling you, within
an hour of them being there, you get them to calm down and everything, they can’t remember how they
got there. That’s the kind of things that people deal with fear. Okay? Uh abduction is an abduction
if you’re returned whole in one piece with no no damage done and ET there’s there’s nothing
going on or even off and healed you know my lab is another intent uh situation and that’s the
government the military-industrial complex doing that to you and we’ve got a ton of that going
on too and that’s been going on since the 60s literally they’ve been experimenting on humanity
that way trying to make everybody afraid of ET Um, and the reason I’m very passionate about
this, and you might not know everything about me, but I am a contactee. I’m 100% conscious. I’m
totally unafraid, and I have been working with ET my entire life. And I know enough to know that
there’s nothing to fear from them at all. And, uh, we’re working right now toward a huge crisis where
they’re trying to make it look like ET is going to be a national security incident. They’re not even
here right now. And um it it it I trigger when I hear over and over and over again this is a bad
thing and we’re being brainwashed and everything. That is the first Charlie Hixon ultimately if
I’m correct decided that you know his experience while frightening was certainly they weren’t
out to hurt him and he was ready to reach out and meet them again. Um I I remember reading
that in the book by William Menddees that he put out. Yeah. That was his co-author. Right. So,
I have a question for you. These two boys, well, the older man and the young man, did they ever
ever say they never wanted to see t ET ever again? Did they ever have the feeling that they were in a
lot of trouble it from them? In other words, were they still terrified of them throughout their life
or did they level out and try to figure it out for themselves? I think at first they were terrified
and um they were afraid the thing would come back and do something to them. Mhm. Um but then the
older man, he had had these military experience and he was very very brave compared to most people
and talked about it which hardly anybody does but I think both of them um Kelvin didn’t talk about
it for years and years and years and years and years and years, but finally he did and he felt
better about it. Oh, good. I’m glad to hear that. That’s the pattern I usually see with people I’ve
interviewed. It’s difficult in the beginning, but when they realize, you know, I’m here, I’m
whole. Uh, and often they’ve got a whole new outlook on life and, you know, a psychic awakening
or even a spiritual awakening of sorts. So, Oh, I’m sorry. No, go ahead. I think you’re a lot more
open-minded if something like that happens to you, right? You would have to be. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
it’s paradigm shifting for people. I mean, up until uh 200 years ago, people didn’t talk about
this openly or those who knew about it. It was mystical and magical and religious. Okay. Um even
Leonardo da Vinci put a a UFO in with the Madonna and the baby Jesus. You know, that’s a big deal.
Um there’s Ezekiel. He had the the wheel within the wheel within the wheel. There’s always they’ve
always been around and it’s never been they’re here to get you and you we’re all gonna die. That
is not how this goes. So, have Kelvin and did did they have kids? Kelvin uh Parker, I think he had
kids, but I don’t think his daughter had kids. Uh I was just wondering if they reported experiences
as well because it does seem to be generational. I don’t remember that they did. Uh but I Hixon’s
son did. Right. We mentioned that. Yeah. It’s really an amazing case. And you know, the only one
I think that’s at all comparable is the Brooklyn Bridge case with Bud Hopkins where there were
outside witnesses, but not quite like this. I mean, that case is also pretty controversial in
ways that this one is not. Um, I think there’s no doubt that this is a legitimate case, the Hixon
Parker case. So, kudos to you for putting out this book. We’ve just got a few minutes left.
Is there any last messages you want to say or any other comments you want to make about the book
before we have to go? Well, I was just emphasizing that you shouldn’t throw away evidence. I mean
like they always say this is against science and they with science is defined as the idea that um
you have controlled experiments and that’s science and if you can’t do an experiment on a UFO they
say well it doesn’t exist. Well I think the idea behind science isn’t right it’s illogical because
you don’t control the universe. I mean there’s a whole lot you can’t control and you ought to base
science on observations. You can do statistics on observations and do good observations and you
should use that. You shouldn’t just say well anything we can’t control doesn’t exist because
that just throws a whole lot of things out. That’s a new logic. Yeah. It’s wrong in science. That’s
why you’re a scientist and all these other because observation is the foundation of science. Well,
yeah. It’s also this whenever you don’t know what something is, you remove everything that it is
not before you get to what it really is. That’s good science. Good science is understanding that
you don’t know and you take everything away. You you research it till you take it’s not this, it’s
not this, it’s not this, it’s not this. And these guys are too busy theorizing and saying what they
think they know it is or making a theory a reality and it is not. And um there are lots of theories
out there that I absolutely lose my mind over that are incorrect, not provable and they are they’re
directing the narrative. They’re the ones who are in control, not not a real lay scientist or a
scientist who’s unfunded. Okay, that’s science. That’s real science. I’m real serious about that.
If if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and eats like a duck,
it very well may be a duck. You can’t say it’s exactly a duck, but it might be one. And the only
way to prove it is to do scientific testing like DNA, you know, check the feathers, everything, and
then go, “Okay, this is a duck.” You could prove it that way. It’s not it’s not the experiment on
the duck. It’s the checking the duck out for what it really is. And that’s what they have to do in
euphology. They have to check out what the UFOs really are. And the only way you’re going to get
to that is if the other guys, the ones the quote unquote scientists who are working on it, open up
their mouths and tell the truth about what they’re finding instead of all this theory and BS and back
talking and oh no, it can’t be that. You know, and then or threeey atlas. Oh, that’s a UFO. No, it’s
not. You know, we’re being we’re being flayed, I guess, mentally flayed over all of this. We
need to stop. I’m sorry. I’m on my soap. Well, thanks Ina. was amazing. I really appreciate you
coming on. I hope your book does really well. Hope all you folks in chat get a chance to check
it out because I think you’ve done a phenomenal job in documenting this case. I hope one day they
make a feature film about it. I don’t that would be a film I would love to see. Yeah, but tell the
truth. Don’t do what do to that story what they did to somebody else we all know. You know who
I’m talking about. Yeah. So, thank you very much. It was an honor to be here and thank you
very much. Thank you. All right. Well, we’re kind of out of time, so I just want to
say thank you, Ireina. Thank you everyone for joining us tonight. It’s been an amazing
show. I want to give a special shout out to you guys who are able to support our show.
We truly appreciate it. Namaste. And Sunny, you guys are amazing. Jamie, this helps us a lot.
We actually do have to pay to get on the air. Uh, and this helps us immensely. So, thank you very
much, Becky and Bob Thorson, Sharice Basilla, your support. We couldn’t do this without you, Heidi.
So amazing. Raul and frankly all of you guys in chat. We love you so much. Thank you so much for
coming each Monday. We’ve got a great show lined up for you next week. Right. So, I guess that’s
it. Dolly, just want to say one thing. Irena’s book is on Amazon. Y’all need to go get it. It
is very, very good. All her books are all right. Thank you for joining us on the light date this
Monday night. We are coming to you live from the beautiful city of New Orleans in Louisiana at the
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I enjoyed listening to Irina. This particular abduction has always stuck with me. Remember it from exactly when it happened,and was reported. Cuz I'm older. I always thought they were real beings, but then I heard someone mention that they thought maybe they were robots? Because they moved kind of jerky. What do you think? Was Dolly describing them as real beings.
Glad I was raised out in California because talking about weird things was never an issue with the people mostly hippies that I was around, or my parents. I remember my mom sitting on the couch reading different Bigfoot books from the library rite off Chapman avenue. Sitting on the couch and this was the mid-60s then discussing it with me. she also checked out the aku aku way back then that was a very interesting book for its day.
Hello Dolly and Preston and thank you both so much!!❤❤
I am from Canton Ohio
Note to Dr. Scott: Tip before sending that film to anybody in any form: make at least three copies FIRST. You'll be glad you did. 🙂 WONDERFUL INTERVIEW as well!
Quite an eye-opening number of new connections and information to absorb. Thank you so much. It's beyond me how this channel doesn't get a million viewers… but that's okay in a way. 😉
1:33:17 Could not agree more with Dolly. It's totally unacceptable that experiencers are not being heard in Congress. Could not be a less scientific, logical approach to the issue. This imbalance all goes back to the stranglehold of militarism on human culture, which has long impeded positive growth and development.
It may be worth putting some pressure on the big disclosure daddies out there, we know who they are, lol, and challenge them to be true to what they profess to want to happen. Stop keeping one eye shut and find out all of it.
Please invite Dr. Scott back to delve more into the mind control aspect, and explore with her the question of the cause of zombie-like states among experiencers, the effect on memory, etc. Is it induced by the ETs, through telepathy or other means, or a biological response of the human body's neurological system, or perhaps both, or? Is there a consensus on this?
How are we so sure that people aren't being abducted, i.e., taken and not returned?
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❤💫Such a fantastic and interesting conversation! Thank you!💫❤
Hi Preston, interesting that there is more people with their encounters to add to this story…😊
The Show with Irina starts at around 9:44
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Great show and thank you Veterans❤
Thankyou Dr Scott, Preston and Dolly, a very interesting show x love and light x