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the day the Phalanx died the decline of the Phalanx happened at the same time as the rise of the Roman Empire and this is no coincidence the ancient Roman army itself used to be Phalanx based but after many reforms it transformed into a heavy infantry army with your standard issue Gladius scutum and peeler as well as mother things the main reason for this was the mountainous terrain a Phalanx doesn’t maneuver very well or effectively in mountainous terrain its strength is its formation this is also why ancient battles were usually decided by a Cavalry the Battle of pudna in the year 168 BC into the third Macedonian war is the perfect example of why a smaller more maneuverable has started better than a Macedonian phalangist the Romans were outnumbered 43 000 to 38 000. they formed up with a gradual slope behind them the macedonians in the front the macedonians advance and push the Romans up the gradual slope this difficult terrain broke up the Macedonian phallines allowing the Romans get in between the Spears and inflict heavy damage on the Macedonian army the age of the Phalanx was no more the age of the Gladius was about to begin
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They literally fought only half the Greek army and got siskebap'ed to oblivion from the front of the phalanx before they finally flanked them. All the while the Greek force did not had its usual supporting units on the flanks and rear as they had during Alexander's reign.
Under these conditions and Performance wise that is a straight up Phalanx victory.
All that is need was beeing a Sigma like the Romans, not the barbaric betas
did you mispronounce macedonian to get engagement?
38,000 is still a ridiculous number of soldiers. Putting them into cohorts and legions, and then giving them all the exact same armour, weapons, and training is just OP. It's basically how all good armies were made up until the bomber, cruise missile, and drone.
The real game changer against a phalanx formation was… Artillery… During the battle of Rocroy. The macedonian phalanx when well managed and protected always had an edge against the roman legion. It just fell out of fashion when Rome conquered Greece eventually.
Or just horse archers…according to Ork mentality: run and shoot shoot and run..
Let's drop the facts. There was never any "superiority of the legion over the phalanx". Quite the contrary, the phalanx had been developed all along centuries prior precisely to combat against legion-like tactcs. All things equal, the phalanxes crashed easily the legions. And this was what was happening in the battlefields : there is not a single battle between Romans and Greeks where the Roman legionnaires shined. Each and every time they were getting wrecked by the Greek phalanxes and running back and the day was won by… the pro-Roman Greek allies the Romans had always with them or …. by traitors in the anti-Roman side … or …. a combination of both.
If the Roman legions were so good against the phalanxes, the conquest of Greece would take 1-2 maximum 3 years. Instead it took 80 years during which the Romans counted more military defeats than victories. What made it for Romans was the fact that Greece was depopulated and in irreversible decline while them were suffering from overpopulation and eager to spend their men in war. As such they could afford sending troops every year on campaigns while Greeks had no such luxury.
Speaking of troops, the legionaires of the manipular legions were LIGHT troops, not heavy ones!
As for the drawing of the legionnaire with a crossbow, yeah legionnaires were not carrying crossbows to battle, however, contrary to what commentators said here, the crossbow was already known in that era and used, mostly in naval and siege warfare, less so in pitched battles. The earliest crossbows mentioned are the Greek "gastraphetes" used in the later stages of the Peloponnesian war in the late 5th century BC.
Q) Did the Romans use phalanx style warfare in the early Republic? A) Yes. Q) Was it sarissa pike style, like the Macedonians and Pyrrhus of Epirus, like this video heavily implies? A) No.
Greetings from the homeland of the phalanx mecedon Greece 🇬🇷👋🏼
Ta oublié la stratégie des manipule.
Its amazing just how inaccurate this short is
Then it comes back as the swiss square
The last picture is historically inaccurate. The legionary should be holding an AK.
A twink talking about the Roman Empire omg 😭 literally my fantasy bf 😭
Greece is mountainous, more so than Italy. Hence in Italy more mobile formations/units became functional.
Several points wrong in the video, you need to study your stuff better before making videos
You didnt mention how deadly thousands of Pila can be
The phalanx was borne in the mountainous terrain of Greece
Speak up,can't hear a thing.
Phalanx wasnt like this, it was much more scattered with different unit types, not just spears. Its a new theory that explains a lot
The Phalanx worked in those narrow Greek mountain passes where attackers couldn't outflank it. The Romans were not adverse to, as terrain and circumstances dictated, instead forming a SQUARE, moving reinforcements about depending on which direction the enemy attacked from. This was studied by, of all generals, Erich Von Manstein, who deployed his panzers in 1941 and 1942 in what German war correspondents called, the "Mot Pulk", or motorized square, with the tanks leading the charge in the direction of advance, and armored cars and self-propelled artillery guarding the flanks, with motorized infantry in the middle, ready to reinforce where needed.
but anatolia has mountains persia has mountains then how did alexander still defeat persia
The phalanx didn't die in a day. It was a series of battles like Cynocephalus. Pydna was just one battle
I was having a debate with a friend of mine, he stated that "spear and shield is the best weapon combination and couldn't be beaten" I said if that was true why did the Romans beat the Greeks? He said I had a point lol, although I did admit that the scenario relies heavily on terrain. Spear and shield in a street or city gateway for example would probably yield different results
It didn't die it was still used all the way up to the Victorian era
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The historian's blog ACOUP has done in-depth dives into this. TLDR: the phalanx being weaker on uneven terrain is a symptom of a bigger difference in capabilities between the Hellenistic and Roman armies: Roman legions had a lot better organizational command for small unit tactics. The smallest group within a Legion that could independently maneuver was the maniple, which was 120 men. The smallest maneuver unit in a Hellenistic phalanx was the taxeis, which could vary in size but on average was 10x larger, at 1500 men. And that slow, lumbering mass of 1500 men was extremely unwieldy due to the difficulties of moving position after the sarissae were down.
Therefore the Roman maniples could move to take advantage of any opportunity, which in the chaos of battle, is guaranteed to occur at some point. The taxeis of the phalanx would almost always be too late in any contest for such opportunities since it was so much more unwieldy.
Aside from tactical advantages, the Romans also had way more manpower, and could bury their rivals under sheer numbers many times over even if they lost a battle. The Hellenistic armies could not be easily replaced. Rome could afford to keep losing until it won a decisive battle, not that they would lose often anyway, while their enemies had to pray to keep winning against already unlikely odds, because the first defeat is likely the end of the war and their entire empire.
they didn't romans didn't w won greeks in battle always fought with greeks against other greeks.
Or just keep the phalanx, but stay on open ground.
The Macedonian armies by the time of the battle with the Roman’s where just a shadow of that one’s from the time of Alexander and the diadochi, not even close
plus the javelin that the Romans had that they can throw at them
I heard the Greeks beat/killed the Romans over and over but the Romans kept coming back to the point that the Greek Army couldn't replace their losses no more.
Also the term "Phyrric Victory" was coined from those battles
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The battle was lost because the second phalanx arrived late. The first, led by King Philip, trampled the Romans into the ground. The phalanx needs flat terrain, where it is unbeatable, but legions are versatile.
Either you pluralize all the item or you call them by singular name. Plural: Pila, Scuta, Gladii. Singular: Pilum, Scutum, Gladius
It was the roman republic at Pydna 😉
my thoughts
Don't forget the Roman musketeers. The Roman legions were very well known for blackpowder weapons too. They also did the first airborne assault from hot air balloons. Completely cutting off Carthaginean retreat in the 4th war of Armageddon.
A phalanx couldn't move at the oblique, couldn't stop once it started, and was very bad on unever terrain. The Romans gave up the phalanx when they adopted manipular warfare from the Samnites (fas es et ab hoste doceri)
Lol crossbows like that weren't invented universal the 12th century 😂😂😂
The Macedonian phalanx and the hoplites do not have the same weaknesses. The Macedonian has a shield strapped to his back = he cannot fight without his spear = he cannot change direction. The hoplite holds his spear with one hand = he tires quickly and is easy to disarm.
Loves how there is a crossbow and a Roman legionnaire together 😂
This isn't explained well, rocky terrain in one battle did not emd the phalanx
I have a theoretical which I'm sure has been discussed a thousand times before and I'm just not aware of it. The theoretical is:
Could there have been a stealth body of warriors, more like ninjas and parkour athletes, than like armed soldiers that could defeat the Roman legions? I'm talking thin, light, but strong fighters that could run marathons in a little over 2 hours. OK, that's a bit far fetched but you get the idea. These ninjas would wear light shoes and be very quick. They could scale up trees like monkeys. Wear solid black jumpers, better for ambushes and fighting at night and in the shadows of trees. Remember, there were no flashlights back then. Their weapons would be recurved bows. Light and more powerful than English longbows. Daggers and light and nimble swords too, of course. Perhaps too, poisoned arrows could be used. I'm thinking that the use of long staffs would be great in combat, as armored men are slow and cumbersome. This stealth fighting force would be spread out, nimble, never to come together in formation. Strike and retreat. The slow and cumbersome Roman legions would never be able to find them. Ahh, so you say, the Romans had their own archers on horseback. Very fast indeed. In this case the ninjas would be hiding up in the trees, ready to rain down their arrows upon the horsemen. Ninjas could have their own horses too. I keep thinking, could there be a simple tool that's available today that wasn't back in medieval times that would give a body of ninjas an unparalleled advantage. Well, night vision goggles are impossible. No electricity. But what about binoculars? Perhaps too, only relying on arrows and daggers is a fools way to decimate a Roman army of 20,000. They are like one big tank rolling into town. I do wonder, however, if there was a way that a far lighter and altogether different way of fighting could defeat the Roman army? Thoughts?
Invicta has a video that is 1000x better than this.
Clearly you slept through the 30 years war. 😂😂😂
Only to be revived 1000 years later in the form of the pike square.
TBF, the Phalanx died because it started being comprised more and more by untrained levies rather than the professional soldiers that made up the core of the old Phalanxs and were the elite of the succsessor armies. Anytime the Romans fought properly trained Phalangites they struggled even on uneven terrain