GTFO: How One “Mouthy” Texan is Helping Others Create Escape Plans | Y’all-itics: May 4, 2025

More and more Americans are considering decamping from the USA and moving overseas… permanently. And a former Texas resident is leading the way. We first introduced you to Jana Lynn Sanchez last November when she announced she was leaving Fort Worth to move to The Netherlands after Donald Trump’s re-election. Nearly six months later, her new company, GTFO Tours, is, literally, helping people “GTFO” out of the country. Sanchez joined the Jasons to explain how it all works, and who is best suited for relocation.

* Warning: this episode contains adult language

00:28- WELCOME FROM OAK HIGHLAND BREWERY
1:35 – REMEMBER JANA SANCHEZ?
2:25 – LIFE UPDATE OVERSEAS
4:38 – STARTING GTFO TOURS
7:57 – WORKING OVERSEAS AND NEW BUSINESS VENTURE
13:30 – HELPING AMERICANS MOVE OVERSEAS
15:33 – PROS AND CONS OF LEAVING AMERICA
21:11 – WHY NOT STAY AND FIGHT?
23:20 – CONSIDERATIONS ON RETURNING TO US
25:33 – DIFFERENTIATING VISAS
31:09 – HOW DOES GTFO TOURS WORK?
33:56 – VOTING ABROAD

Hey y’all, this is where Texas politics gets interesting. Here again are two guys named Jason, some great guests, and cold Texas beer for another smart conversation on politics, the unofficial political podcast of Texas. Hello again everybody, uh, from Oak Highlands Brewery in uh Dallas Fort Worth, where technically in Garland. Is this technically Garland? Isn’t this Garland? Is this Garland or Dallas? OK, Dallas. It’s very close to Garland, far East Dallas, uh, and, uh, also from Amsterdam this episode, uh, today. Yes, it’s, it’s gonna be an interesting ride. Uh, first off, uh, what are you having, Whiteley? — I had to
— look back at it. I’m having 7, the Golden Dharma. It is an international. OK, I thought about it. OK. — So I
— gave no thought whatsoever to selection, — which is
— posing with tradition. I’m having, I thought it was a ghost GOS, but we’ve looked it up and apparently it’s a goaaa uh and this is a sour beer and your personality. It does. So I did do a little thinking apparently, and it’s called What Limes with cucumber. Uh, and, uh, they told me this is the only sour we have on the menu, and I took one sip and boy the pucker felt right at home, right? — It
— felt like you’re drinking. So we have uh the 2.0 episode from a previous one we did. I’m very excited about this. Jana Sanchez, uh, so we went to her house in Fort Worth a few months ago. — It was
— one of the more memorable episodes, — and we’ve gotten comments about it and people really thought
— it’s called hate mail. No, it wasn’t at all. I got all the hate mail, right? You got the mail. So she, she’s on the line here with us before we get to it, let me just back this up. So you always hear about people saying, oh, you know what, if so and so wins, I’m gonna leave the country. This is outrageous. I’m here. Well, well, she said, you know what? I’m gone. And she — she actually did it and
— there were a few. — in there too I
— think were there a couple I think there were but she she treated us to a beer at her dining room table and we sat there and she put up for sale and she was selling everything in her house and that’s what that episode was about. So I got a text from her the other day in Amsterdam. She moved to Amsterdam and uh she said, hey, not only am I doing great here in Amsterdam, but I’m also, uh, you know, — teaching other Americans how they can do what I
— did. Wait, Jana, what is the name of this business? It’s called GTFO Tours, GTFO relocation tours. Uh, get the F out. Wow, your, your language has gotten cleaner since you’ve moved over to Europe. I don’t think I’m allowed to say what the F stands for, but I think everybody gets it. It’s a podcast. It’s OK. Oh it is OK. You’re in Amsterdam. If you don’t have a better beer than us right now, I’m gonna be very disappointed. I’m drinking water right now, but I just got back from the Thai restaurant where I had a Bavaria beer on tap, which. It’s not, it’s not a German beer. It’s actually a Dutch beer called Bavaria, I think because it’s made in the Bavarian pills style. Well, it looks like you’re at the top of a church tower right now. It’s a gorgeous background. Where are you right? This is my attic office. Wow. It was a guest room and we repurposed it to make it my office, and it’s lovely working up here. It looks onto a roof terrace and my dog has come up here and Sit around me while I’m working and go out onto — the
— I have to look at Wheeler all the time, so it must be a much better view. So rub it in for us here, uh, Jana, how, how good is life there in in Europe? I I love going over to Europe and every time I go there I’m like, man, I could just I could live like this. Uh, what’s it been like? Well, it’s been amazing, actually, really, really amazing. Um, I, I’m still stressed about everything that’s going on in America, of course. Oh, so that didn’t subside. That did not subside, um, but I’m not in it every day. I’m, I’m, like you said, helping Americans get out. Oh, and I just want to correct one thing. I’m actually in Harlem, which is, um, a town outside of Amsterdam, about 10 minutes away, um, that is, um, that is where Harlem. New York was named after, right? Is that right? I never understand why people buy the vowel on that show. I don’t like that but so you started this business, um, and, and you know, trying to help other Americans who want to get out and I’m curious why you started that. Did you start that because you’re like, you know what, I’m, I’m gonna help other people do this, or did you have? Reaching out going, please help me do this. Well, um, sort of it happened organically. Um, I, you probably haven’t seen, but I turned my old congressional campaign page into a page about how to leave the country. So I have all kinds of resources there, including, um, you know, all of the different countries where you can get a passive income visa, um, meaning retiree visa, all the countries where you can get a second passport. Because of your ancestry, um, all the countries where you can be a digital nomad. So between all of those countries, it’s about, you know, I think about 100 different options for Americans who want to leave. Wait, so what’s the website if somebody’s listening to this and they go, Why didn’t either one of those guys ask her what the website is? — I need to know
— just my Facebook, my public Facebook page, not my private Facebook page, which I get a lot of friend requests and I don’t accept them because I get so much hate, um, Text and you know, I get lots of MAGAs sending me really disgusting, um, texts, so I don’t take any friends on my personal page, um, and but I, anybody can join my public page. And what is the what’s the name on that? It’s, um, it’s Janaynn Sanchez resource page, and I think the address is actually just Facebook.com, stroke, the Jana Sanchez. — That’s what all my campaign stuff was the Jana
— Sanchez. Let’s talk about the. Nice stuff you’ve been getting. Um, well, after the podcast, I got so much hate mail from people who wanted to kill me, apparently, and people, you were on? Yeah, uh-huh. Well, I think when it ran on TV, — I think that’s when all
— the Wait, they wanted to kill you because you wanted to leave. Yeah, so, yeah, it was very strange. They were really angry at me for leaving. Uh, they also like to call me the C word. I’ve heard that about 1000 times this year. And I, um, and I get a lot of really inappropriate sexual violence, um, stuff from maggots. Um, so I get a lot, um, because I also, in addition to posting resources on how to get out, I also post my opinions about what’s going on in the world of politics. So I do get a lot of hate. I mean, one time I had to block like 4000 people, um, after a post. Yeah. And it was like they didn’t even understand the post. If they’d. Yeah, 4000. Well, well, we have a million questions here, but, but let’s go back to the one Wheeler asked just a moment ago. What is life like in the, in the month or two you’ve been over there. So, um, you know, I walk everywhere. I’m able to do my shopping just around the corner and on the market on Saturday. I walk my dogs 4 times a day because I don’t have a backyard. Um, so that’s wonderful. I have parks right. By. Um, it’s very peaceful and calm, and it’s a lot cooler than in Texas. Um, it’s not cold, but it’s cool. Um, and I’m just really, really enjoying life back here. I, I think, you know, I lived here for many years, 25 years ago. But, but you’re able to do work you said some clients were staying with you. Are you able to, to earn an income there? Yes, I am. I’m, I’m doing the same work I was doing in Texas, um, which is communication coaching, but I’ve also added, um, this GTFO tours business on top of that, um, which is when Americans are interested in coming to the Netherlands, we created a tour along with my business partner Bethany Quinn, who is a. Location coach, um, she coaches people to help them figure out where they can go under what visa, under what passport, how they can get out um and so we created this tour which is a 7 day intensive tour where you learn everything you need to learn about how to come to the Netherlands and live here. The Netherlands is one of the easiest places in the world for Americans to migrate to. Um, but you’ve got to know some things like you’ve got to know how hard it is to get housing because there’s a housing crisis. You’ve got to understand, um, the requirements for, it’s called the DAF Dutch American Friendship Treaty visa. Um, so it’s super easy. You just turn up with your passport, um, you just come in on a tourist visa and then you contact the, the Immigration Naturalization Service and say, I would like to get the DAF visa. You fill out forms, you put €4500 in a bank account, um, in a business bank account, and you do all the other stuff you’re required to do, which quite frankly isn’t that much. Um, and then you’ve got to make a living with your business, which can be a remote business like mine, which is all online, or you can sell, you know, anything to Dutch people that you want that if they’re interested in buying it. One guy who’s doing a call with us on Sunday, we, I do calls. Almost every Sunday about specific topics. And this Sunday is about Daft. Um, this, this guy was a bus driver and I somewhere in the Midwest, and he came here, he bought a van, and he sets up tours, uh, to take people in his van to different places around the Netherlands. And he does like airport pickups and those sort of thing. And he’s doing very well. — So that’s an example of a kind of business that you can start under
— Daft. And Jenna, what else is on the tour though? What What am I actually going to see if I if I sign up and do the 7 day tour with you guys? And if Whitely did this, by the way, he would need to be obviously he’s serious about it because he’s not just coming there to see the sites like he wants you to show him how to do that, right? OK, so it’s very focused on the things you really need to know. So every day there’s this, we start off with a seminar. The seminar one day is on visas, the visa process, the next day it’s on housing, how to find housing. It’s a big problem. Um, the next day it’s about how to set up your business administration for your company so you don’t get into trouble. Um, the next day it’s about how to find schools for your children. Um, the next day it’s about, um, how to file your US taxes, um, and another day it’s about what they, what the Dutch call in burgering, um, which is roughly equivalent of integration, how you integrate into Dutch society, um, and then, um, so we do a seminar day, um, because the biggest issue for most people coming here is how to find housing every single day. We do lunch with a Macalar, which is a Dutch, uh, realtor, a realtor who finds you a house, um, helps you find a house to rent or an apartment to rent. Um, and we go to 5 different cities, um, where most expats live. Um, that’s Amsterdam, of course, Utrecht, Rotterdam, The Hague, and Harlem, where I live. Um, and those are probably where most expats live, although it’s easier to find housing in other areas as well. And then we also do, do a deep cultural dive. So We do walking tours in most of the towns, boating tours, biking tours. We go to the Dutch seaside, um, and enjoy the, the fried fish, um, and, um, and enjoy the, the Dutch beach culture because it’s really different than in other places. Um, so you got some fun sprinkled in there too. — No
— rollerblading, did you notice that? no I I I guess I’d have to give it up if I did this. I like to cycle too, yeah. So let’s talk about some of these expats that you’ve been running. Obviously you’re doing your part to help new ones get established there uh but are you running into other people, Jana, — who did the same thing you did who just decided I can’t take it I’m getting
— out? Every day. Well, keep in mind that I hear from people who want to go all kinds of places Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, those are two really big ones Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, um, some people go to other places, um, Ireland, um, um Germany is a big. one because it’s one of the other places in Europe. There are only two places really that you can work in the market. You can just turn up and get a visa to work in the market, and there are a lot of conditions on that. But Germany is the other one. So a lot of people are interested in going to Germany, um, and to all of those other places. And roughly speaking, about half of those people are retirees because their money goes further in in most places in Europe, certainly Spain and Portugal, well, Italy and France as well. Um, but then the other half are looking at all kinds of different ways to get out. Maybe it’s including like studying, um, including setting up a business in the Netherlands, working in Germany, or setting up a business in Germany. Um, most places, the average American can’t just move there and get a job because they’re not allowed to be employed, and the, the labor market is such that most countries really don’t want you. To come and work, um, it’s because of this special treaty between the Netherlands and the US that people can come here and start a business because Dutch people can also go to the US and start a business. Um, so your company is GTFO Tours. Your, your latest company is GTFO Tours. Tell us how this started. You met Bethany, who’s from Washington DC, who wasn’t able to join us on this episode here, but were you guys. Sitting around one day talking, uh, you know, sitting out by a canal, I presume maybe having a cup of coffee. Actually, I had this idea before I left because I was getting so many people contacting me saying, how do I get out? How do I get out? And coincidentally, at the same time, I learned about the DAF visa, which I never knew about. I didn’t know that the Netherlands was one of the easiest places to go to. And I said to a friend of mine who’s planning to move to Portugal. Goal I said I really feel like I need like hands on hand holding, helping Americans figure this out because they really don’t know a lot like most Americans unless they’ve lived abroad, really don’t understand you can’t just send out 1000 resumes and hope somebody’s gonna hire you. It doesn’t work that way. Um, so I said, I want to do these tours. I want to do tours of the Netherlands to help people figure it out. Um, and, and my friend who’s moving to Portugal said, oh. There, there are tours everywhere for those kind of tours exist, but not in the Netherlands, um, because he was looking all over, all different countries. Um, I said, OK, well, that sounds a good idea. And I met Bethany, and she’s very active in helping people get out. Um, she’s, you know, she coaches people on a one on one basis, but she’s very active. And there’s a community on Facebook of people who are using the DAF visa to move to Holland. It’s called Daft Hub. D A F T H U B. um and I saw her comments on there. She reached out to me after she saw me posting about the DAF visa and some of my Sunday calls. Janna, could you tell us, you know, after a couple of months of this now, what has been the best part about decamping from the US, getting away, getting, you know, away from the, you know. The daily, you know, fire hose of information politics wise here. What’s been the best part of it and what’s been the hardest part, you know, if you, if you had to, you know, be totally honest, what do you miss? Well, I guess I miss my, uh, some people in my family, not all of them. Um, but I miss some, some of my family. I really miss my sister. Um, and, um, I, uh, but not, and it’s been really stressful trying to sell my house from abroad. I haven’t sold it yet, which has been very stressful. Um, I, the time, the time difference is a bit of a stress because I’m a morning person and I’m having to work. Work usually quite late because my clients are just getting up when I would normally be turning off my computer. Um, so my schedule is a lot is a lot harder for me, um, because my dogs still wake me up at 7 a.m., um, — but it’s
— really 7 a.m. Fort Worth time or 7 a.m. unfortunately 7 a.m. Dutch time. So I’m up walking them at 7 and then sometimes I’m working till 9, so it’s a long day. Um, and, um, but it’s been almost, almost universally positive. It’s just a sense of peace and, you know, I haven’t, I mean, I had road rage incidents where people, um, you know, tried to run me off the road in, in Fort Worth. I had a bumper sticker. What did my bumper sticker say? Oh, it says, um, I love being woke. It’s better than being ignorant. And so I got a lot of hate because of that and of course I had tomala Harris, so I don’t get any hate for that, um, and people are, people are really angry at America now and Americans, um, but mostly they know that the people here are not the same people who voted for Trump. I was going to ask you what the what is the talk like there when people talk about Americans and you know, yeah, they assume. When you’re there you’re not one of them, but they know they know that they know that if you’re educated and you left the country, you know, you’re not somebody who would have voted for Trump, and they, they just sort of assume that you’re not a Trump supporter. um, and I think you hear just every single day people are just absolutely horrified by, you know, whatever news came out, whether it’s attacking Zelensky in the White House or JD Vance going to Greenland, um, or Trump going on and on about Canada and Greenland, um, or the tariffs, of course, are the big news today. Every time I walked outside and saw a neighbor, they go, oh my God, the market, what is he doing? I’m like, No idea. I guess what Putin tells him to do, I don’t know, um, you know, so it’s really, uh, yeah, it’s, it’s people understand that that we want to get out and that we don’t, that we don’t approve of what Trump is doing, and I always point out to people it was not a majority of Americans who voted for him. Have you, have you met any Trump supporters though? who like the things that he’s been doing. No, not one. Or if they, if they are, they didn’t tell me. I mean, even like when you’re sitting next to someone at a restaurant, you and you strike up a conversation, nobody likes Trump or and everybody is really scared about what he’s doing and and annoyed and angry. Americans might not realize it, but, but what happens in America really leads the news on a lot of European television stations. Yes, it does, but there’s, there’s probably less of a fire hose of information than than you experienced when you were in Fort Worth as well. I wouldn’t say so. — I think
— it’s like, yeah. I mean, people, so every time you turn on the news, I mean, they, they have their own political issues in each country, of course, that they’re following closely. um, you know, there was a big debate yesterday that my husband watched in, in the Dutch parliament. Um, but they all know what’s going on. They’re all very aware of what’s going on. The TV programs, um, you know, do lots of programs about the latest crazy thing that Trump did and Um, you know, it’s very, people are very worried and concerned about what’s happening, you know, um, and they’re angry. Well, I turn it off. I’m basically boycotting mainstream media for the most part. I only listen to podcasts. So, um, because I really want to control. I can’t, you know, I can’t handle. I can’t handle the sanit the, the, the sanitation or the, I think that’s not the right word, but the, like the, the way that it’s being treated as, as if this is normal, um, and with no context about history and how, like, this is exactly, exactly what Hitler. It’s exactly, you know, this is a repeating of history, and the, and the mainstream media, for the most part, present company excluded, doesn’t put the context of why this is all so bad. Um, and they, I think, I think, you know, I can’t watch media because I just, I get really frustrated with, with the way that things are, are presented. And and following up that question, just so I’m clear, for your Dutch friends who are there, the people you interact with. Do they talk about what’s going on in the United States? — Do
— they? Every single day, the first text I get is from one of my best friends who’s British, who is just every single day, like, oh my God, what are they doing? Why are they doing this? Are Americans stupid? It usually ends up having an entire conversation in which the end result is Americans must be stupid. And, and it’s so horrible and you know, um, and why are they doing this? And, and I’m just like I can’t really argue with you, you know, like I can’t, I don’t, I can’t defend this. You know, so I think, um, yeah, that’s basically every single day, multiple times with multiple people. Jana, there are people here in in the US still, Democrats, you know, possibly some independents as well, and, and I don’t know if you’ve heard from many people like this who would say, and I think we talked about this before. Didn’t you just keep that energy and stay here and stay in the fight, you know, I mean, politics here is it’s a back and forth, and you gotta, you know, stake your territory, and you got to stay in the fight and, and you shouldn’t leave. I mean, I was definitely conflicted. I was definitely conflicted, but my assessment of the situation, first of all, it’s even worse than I expected. Um, and, I think it’s crazier than I expected. Um, and, um, my assessment of the situation is that it’s not possible to fight this through normal democratic means, um, although I have been incredibly heartened by, uh, Senator, Senator Booker’s. Um, it’s not a filibuster, but his, his 25 hour speech, which I listened to a big portion of that on YouTube. Um, and of course, very excited to see Elon Musk lose badly in the, in the Wisconsin election for his Supreme Court. Um, so there have, while there are some positive, um, notes, I don’t actually believe we’re going to have elections in 3.5 years. Um, I don’t believe that we, if there are elections, they will be free and fair. Um, I debate myself whether there will be election midterm elections. Um, I think that. It’s a very scary time. I believe that if you appoint somebody like Pete Hegseth, who’s clearly unqualified to be the Secretary of Defense, the reason you’re doing that is because you intend to turn troops on Americans who are protesting. I don’t have any confidence at all that through the normal democratic process this can be over. Come, I do not believe that this is a kind of cyclical thing that will end in 4 years, but I do have guilt for leaving at times. I have, well, it might be survivor’s guilt. I’m not sure what you call it, but I do feel guilty that I’m not there fighting alongside people who I fought with for so many years. — What
— if there are elections again though, and what if a Democrat wins? Would you ever come back? Well, honestly, the, the, the, um, the lifestyle is so much better here, um, so I don’t think I would. I mean, and I would say like for people who are coming here with children, like they don’t have to worry about their children being gunned down in school. Um, you know, they don’t have to worry about, um, the kind of political violence and division that we see every day in, in America. Um, you know, you, in America, you pay, you know, a little bit less in taxes, but you get nothing for it. Um, my husband just had a heart attack on Sunday. Yes, a literal heart attack on Sunday. Um, and, um, the EMTs were here within less than 5 minutes. They had a portable EKG machine. They said to us, he’s having a heart attack. And they took him by ambulance to the big hospital in Amsterdam where they did, um, a stent. They inserted a stent, uh, a stent in his heart to increase the flow of blood. Um, this will not cost us a penny, and he was in the hospital for 4 days. Um, he just got, he just got back last night, um, and he’s all better and, you know, he pays a premium of €160 a month. He pays, um, a deductible of €385 a year. And his health insurance otherwise is covered 100%, um, by his insurance. And, um, if I think about, I paid $900 a month for insurance in Texas, my deductible was $9000. And on top of that, every time I went to The doctor, I paid between $50 and $500 for tests or for appointments. Um, and then I paid $100 a month for a couple of old prescriptions that have been around forever for my thyroid. You know, it’s not a nice way to live if you have an alternative. You know, I mean, health care, gun violence, all of these things impact your daily life. Jenna, let me ask you about this. I, I, I like to travel, uh, as well, where Wheeler says to go next, uh, I usually try to, to look at, but I, I noticed the other day, um, residency visas was one of the options that some countries were offering. uh, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland though all revoked those because too many people were taking them taking them up on it. No, that’s, that’s not correct. — I’m sorry to say
— that’s correct. So they’re constant, first of all, most countries have several categories of different residency visas. I think what you’re probably thinking about is the Spanish golden visa, which they ended, which was when you paid, I think, €250,000 and you had a high amount of of income to. To live there, but there’s something in Spain called the non-lucrative visa in which you only need $30,000 30,000 euros um of savings to qualify. You just can’t work. Those are what are referred to colloquially as passive income visas or retirement visas, and, um, Italy, Portugal, France, um, Spain. Especially in Ireland all have them, as does Greece and as do Greece and a few other countries. They have these passive income visas. Um, you know, it’s a very common way for people who are of retirement age to, to go live abroad, and usually in most cases, the cost of living is considerably less than in the US, but for people who aren’t retired, what are their options besides Amsterdam if they wanted to look overseas? So unless you, if you have a job like mine where you can work from your desk and on your computer, there are about 60 countries around the world where you can be a digital nomad, and that gives you a residency visa for 1 to 5 years depending on which country, and usually you can renew them. Um, and after a certain amount of time, you can usually get a dual passport or at least a permanent residency after a while. Um, digital nomad visas are a really common way to go lots of places, but in most countries in the world, an American cannot just work locally. Their work has to be 1099 contract work with American or non. Um, or other country clients, um, so again, the Netherlands and Germany really are the only two that I’m really aware of where the average person can go and work if you’re a highly skilled migrant, um, very technical, um, a lot of, um, skills, maybe you’re an AI expert, yeah, you can probably get a job, but Jenna. This podcast abroad, — highly skilled
— people, a lot of nurses, doctors are going to English speaking countries like Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, the UK, — and
— Canada. Jenna, is there anybody that this is probably not for? I mean, you did this for a while. What did you say? Yeah, a lot of people. Um, so I think people have to keep in mind that you, that it’s hard to move country. Um, it’s, you probably have to learn a whole new language, um, which is one of the good things about the Netherlands is everybody speaks English, so you have a while to learn. You don’t have to know right away. You don’t need to speak Dutch. Yeah, I know someone who did this as well, uh, just like you did right after the election, and I followed on Facebook a little bit and, uh, one of the things that they talked about was uh a lot of loneliness, uh, when they got like they were looking so forward to it, but you know they got there and they kind of felt like an outsider. I think you, it takes a long time to integrate. When I first moved to the Netherlands in 2000, um, I did feel very lonely, and it took me a long time to make Dutch friends. It took me several, several years, um, to make Dutch friends. So I think that’s very important to find your community. Um, to, you know, to live in the right place, to do things the right way. It’s like you have to learn a whole new way of living in most places, um, and I think the Netherlands is close enough to the US culture that it’s not quite as as difficult as, um, maybe Spain or Portugal, where you also need to learn the language, um, and in fact, a lot of times. People who moved to Spain, Portugal, they just tend to hang out with other expats, other English speaking expats. They go to areas where those expats live and they make a community of expats, um, which is fine if, if you’re happy with that, um, you know, that’s fine. But if you’ve got children and they’re going to schools and you have to integrate with the parents, it can be challenging. Um, the other thing is, if you’re coming to the Netherlands, you have to be somebody who can run your own business and make it succeed. Um, you know, it’s not everybody can do that. If you’ve been employed your whole life, um, that’s a big ask, you know, so you’ve really got to know what you’re doing. You’ve really got to be just like it would be in the in the states, it would be very difficult for a lot of people to set up their own business and succeed as an entrepreneur. It’s, it’s a big challenge. Um, you know, if you have no aptitude or interest in foreign cultures, you definitely shouldn’t come. Definitely don’t do that. I think it would be a hard place, generally, anywhere in Europe, to be quite conservative politically. I don’t think that you would make local friends. Well, there are people who are conservative in all of these places, it’s a, it’s a smaller percentage, and their conservative is probably more like our, like right wing of the Democratic Party, for instance. So, um, I think. Yeah, we’re kind of watching that in Germany and France too, and, and I don’t think it’s exactly what we’re seeing, uh, in the United States, Germany maybe with, with the, the AFD party there. Let’s talk about GTFO tours though. Every Sunday, you mentioned this a moment ago, every Sunday you you do a, a Facebook, uh, chat with people who are interested in this. Uh, — so if someone’s interested in its
— broader than that. So every single day. So most Sundays I do a call on a specific subject. This coming Sunday, it happens to be on the DAF visa, but last Sunday, or the Sunday before, I’m trying to remember now, we did, um, we, we’ve recently done how to get a European passport um based on ancestry. We did how to get a German passport if your ancestors were Holocaust survivors or people denied. German citizenship. We’ve done, um, how to work in Germany, um, and those are all on YouTube. They’re all on my YouTube page. If you just Google my name and YouTube, gentle and Sanchez and YouTube, you’ll find it. Um, and, um, so every week we record those, we’ve done calls on, you know, moving to Spain, all of the requirements for the non-lucrative visa or the digital nomad visa there. Um, we’ve done calls on Portugal, Costa Rica, Mexico. Um, and, and just various subjects like, you know, how to study in the EU for instance. Um, so we pick a different subject. So this week we’re doing, um, you know, the DAF visa part two because we’ve done part one before. Next week we’re doing, um, uh, trans migrants. What it’s like if you are trans in America right now, I think it’s very, very scary from everything we’ve heard, um, and a lot of trans people. Want to leave the country. What are the concerns they need to think about which countries are welcoming, um, where can they, will they be allowed to work, um, you know, where can they get health care, um, so that will be the next Sunday, the 13th, um, and I don’t have much planned after that. We just sort of comes up, someone will say to me, Can you do a call about blah blah blah. Oh, last week I know what we did, we did managing your finances as an expat, which, gosh. Timing couldn’t be worse, um, couldn’t be better actually, if you are looking at the markets today. It’s been such a disaster. Yeah. So, um, so, you know, we just take different subjects every Sunday. And then GTFO Tours is specifically right now for the Netherlands. We are looking at potentially expanding those to Spain. Um, not sure where else, um, but Spain is tons of Americans want to go to Spain. Um, it’s a really attractive place. And my last thing for you, I know that you don’t think that there will be upcoming elections anymore here in the US, but you know, if there are, and when there are, you would still be able to vote, right? And, and, and still be involved as a citizen here in the United States. Yes, at some point I will no longer be a Fort Worth resident. I still own a house there, so I guess I I’m still sort of a Fort Worth resident as well. Um, but I will still be able to vote for all the federal elections. Um, and I’m really hoping Cory Booker’s going to run now. So, um, if there is an election, I really would like to see someone with backbone for the Democratic Party and who speaks about economic issues that affect affect Americans. Jenna, my last question is what would it take to get you back to Fort Worth? Oh gosh. There isn’t anything, no, I’m not coming back to Fort Worth. Really? They they have a really good beer here. Uh, it’s called the Texas Tornado. It’s jalapeno smoke and bacon in it, and it is barbecue in a in a cup. No, I’m done with Fort Worth. I love, I loved being there, but no, I’m done. I mean, I guess I have to go there and eventually, uh, pack up my finish packing at my house because I haven’t finished packing up everything. I’m still showing it, but Um, the market is, it’s definitely a buyer’s market right now, not a seller’s. Well, Jane, I know it’s late for you there and, and I know you’re a morning person, not a night person like Wheeler is, — you
— still got sunlight outside, which is an interesting thing. It stays until about 10 here in the summer. I like the, the streets are full of people sitting out drinking and and. Socializing, it’s very nice. Wow, yeah, the Netherlands and, and I’ve been to Amsterdam. I haven’t been to Harlem, but it’s a fantastic place. When we, when we take on the road, we’ll make sure we come see you. — You’re
— welcome. You can come on the on the tour, we should go on the GTO. — We gotta we gotta look into and see if
— we’ve got the slim’s a bargain. — We only charge
— 1550 euros plus VAT, um. And of course, you have to get your own ticket and your hotel and your food. But we’re, what we’re charging for is the experience, which includes all the experts and, um, all of the things that are part of the tour. Um, but it’ll probably save you a lot of time and money, um, if you’re moving here to kind of get the level of expertise that we’re providing. It always helps to go, uh, find out from somebody who’s already blazed a trail instead of doing it yourself. Yeah, who’s who’s been there. Uh, Jenna Sanchez, thank you so much as, as always, always appreciate you you taking our call, and, and I’m, I’m glad to hear things are going great for you over there as well too. We do, we do miss you in North Texas. Thank you. I miss you guys too, but I have been following politics. I have been. Um, yeah, as much as I can stomach, um, what people are saying, that’s the greatest part. Like you can listen to yellows anywhere in the world. You can. I get it here. Yes, we’ll talk to you soon. — Thank you so
— much. Thank you, bye bye. Wheeler, real quick, where are the wheelers from, uh, uh, that area, uh, like on the mainland Europe, yeah, really? Yeah, — and what is
— your 23an say? Well, I deleted it, uh, but the last, yeah, I don’t trust any of that stuff. I wish I’d never done it, um. No, it was, uh, it was like Netherlands, UK, Scotland, all of that, — the northern
— northeastern. But you’ve been here for a minute in Texas, so you don’t qualify for any type of a second passport, I guess, right? Uh, no, I don’t y’all are stuck with me. Yeah, that’s reason enough to leave the country. Just the fact that I’m going to be here. You’re gonna be here. Thanks so much for watching. We’ll, uh, we’ll talk to you next week.