The lack of new well sealed bottom brackets and hubs. Only Shimano Octalink appears to have really really good bottom brackets left, you can still buy new Dura-Ace (BB-7700) and 105 (BB-5500) bottom brackets for Octalink. Modern solutions like Hollowtech and similar seem make it very hard to seal the bearings really well. And Shimano has reduced their choice of affordable well-sealed hubs, and basically all other brands use far worse sealing, mostly just offering contact seals and not labyrinth seals.
I agree… new bikes are VERY expensive and more difficult to work on and how long will it be before you have to have a subscription to update your derailleurs and be able to ride your bike😳. I love my Kona Rove DL; all external cable routing, hydro/mechanical disc brakes and cable actuated derailleur, 1 X setup. Relatively simple bike.
Press fit BB? Deal killer! Internal cable routing? Looks nice! Deal killer! Electronic shifting? May work marginally better but I have enough stuff in my life that needs to be recharged. Deal killer! All of this stuff is marketing 🐮💩to get us to ditch the old and buy the new!
Planned obsolescence. A change from 11 speed to 12 or 13 speed with an electronic group set should require only a new cassette, a new chain and a software update. But Shimano and SRAM require you to also buy new shifters and derailleurs! Screw them. I am all in on Wheeltop EDS.
Meh, you can always purchase a bike through a local framebuilder. Get the exact geo, exact components and compatibility. Typically when you nees a new headaet, you need new cables and fluids anyway. If you do your own work, you can do it. As a mechanic though, i charge accordingly for proprietary shit.
Why are Modern bikes so complex? Because the industry has to come up with something new every year to keep selling. Only so many will buy last year's stuff. After so many years there's only so much once can come up with that makes sense.
I’m buying my first bike and I’m gettin the cheapest one I can buy And blasting lejog out just to prove anybody can do it you don’t need to be fit or have an expensive bike The consumerism today is discusting 👍👍
Big gripe: so stupidly expensive. If the logic for buying cars was the same as buying a bike, people would be driving around in Lewis Hamilton's F1 car. But this doesn't seem to matter if I'm marketed a carbon fiber Di2 aero rocketship and pretend I'm Pogi. Look, if we wanted to waste money on a sport we'd take up Golf…
The problem is these are racing bikes built for racing. We I raced in motor sports it was not considered an inconvenience to rebuild my brakes before every race weekend, that is what you did to win. Not very practical for an everyday vehicle.
For me there’s nothing better than a carbon or steel road bike from the year 2000 to about 2016, you just can’t go wrong with any high-end bike from that era, I still ride my 2012 Fuji SL 1 Carbon Rd. bike with 105 components and I keep up just fine with my friends on their 12,000 Road bikes, that squeak and squeal on the entire ride, my bike doesn’t make a sound and I’ve never missed a shift in 13 years
Just spent £500 on Magura MT8 SL race line brake set only to find the brackets on my bike are two different sizes! Never had this problem in the good old days of upgrading, maybe because they making us keep to one manufacturing brand!!
Who is leading the design directions we see today. Who are followers? Bark at the right tree.
Are the main drivers not leading to this? Saving weight , saving watts , saving cost , maximizing profit. Have every year new and better bikes just to stay in the game.
Why aero became the biggest marketing hype in current designs. Even in bikes and for public who do not really need it. What are true industry innovations and what are dead-end streets where we are all running in to or pushed in to. Like high Res audio.
Who are the sheep buying the latest and the greatest? Who will break the chain? We have the power to walk away or walk along.
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excited for the basic cruiser bike I am getting.
The lack of new well sealed bottom brackets and hubs. Only Shimano Octalink appears to have really really good bottom brackets left, you can still buy new Dura-Ace (BB-7700) and 105 (BB-5500) bottom brackets for Octalink. Modern solutions like Hollowtech and similar seem make it very hard to seal the bearings really well. And Shimano has reduced their choice of affordable well-sealed hubs, and basically all other brands use far worse sealing, mostly just offering contact seals and not labyrinth seals.
Why are they so expensive?
I agree… new bikes are VERY expensive and more difficult to work on and how long will it be before you have to have a subscription to update your derailleurs and be able to ride your bike😳. I love my Kona Rove DL; all external cable routing, hydro/mechanical disc brakes and cable actuated derailleur, 1 X setup. Relatively simple bike.
Press fit BB? Deal killer! Internal cable routing? Looks nice! Deal killer! Electronic shifting? May work marginally better but I have enough stuff in my life that needs to be recharged. Deal killer! All of this stuff is marketing 🐮💩to get us to ditch the old and buy the new!
Planned obsolescence. A change from 11 speed to 12 or 13 speed with an electronic group set should require only a new cassette, a new chain and a software update. But Shimano and SRAM require you to also buy new shifters and derailleurs! Screw them. I am all in on Wheeltop EDS.
Meh, you can always purchase a bike through a local framebuilder. Get the exact geo, exact components and compatibility. Typically when you nees a new headaet, you need new cables and fluids anyway. If you do your own work, you can do it. As a mechanic though, i charge accordingly for proprietary shit.
It's what consumers want.
Why are Modern bikes so complex? Because the industry
has to come up with something new every year to keep selling. Only so many will buy last year's stuff. After so many years there's only so much once can come up with that makes sense.
I dont got those issues
I understand the issues here but the price of these bikes are ridiculous and the quality is lacking.
I’m buying my first bike and I’m gettin the cheapest one I can buy And blasting lejog out just to prove anybody can do it you don’t need to be fit or have an expensive bike
The consumerism today is discusting 👍👍
Big gripe, you've to wait 4 months to get the new bike.
Big gripe: so stupidly expensive. If the logic for buying cars was the same as buying a bike, people would be driving around in Lewis Hamilton's F1 car. But this doesn't seem to matter if I'm marketed a carbon fiber Di2 aero rocketship and pretend I'm Pogi. Look, if we wanted to waste money on a sport we'd take up Golf…
That’s why I ride a simple fixed gear
The problem is these are racing bikes built for racing. We I raced in motor sports it was not considered an inconvenience to rebuild my brakes before every race weekend, that is what you did to win. Not very practical for an everyday vehicle.
For me there’s nothing better than a carbon or steel road bike from the year 2000 to about 2016, you just can’t go wrong with any high-end bike from that era, I still ride my 2012 Fuji SL 1 Carbon Rd. bike with 105 components and I keep up just fine with my friends on their 12,000 Road bikes, that squeak and squeal on the entire ride, my bike doesn’t make a sound and I’ve never missed a shift in 13 years
Colours is so annoying. Look at canyon. I’d buy one except the choice is white or grey. The colour I want is £9k so no chance.
Dont care about everything you are saying. They look so good 😊
Just spent £500 on Magura MT8 SL race line brake set only to find the brackets on my bike are two different sizes! Never had this problem in the good old days of upgrading, maybe because they making us keep to one manufacturing brand!!
Who is leading the design directions we see today. Who are followers? Bark at the right tree.
Are the main drivers not leading to this? Saving weight , saving watts , saving cost , maximizing profit. Have every year new and better bikes just to stay in the game.
Why aero became the biggest marketing hype in current designs. Even in bikes and for public who do not really need it. What are true industry innovations and what are dead-end streets where we are all running in to or pushed in to. Like high Res audio.
Who are the sheep buying the latest and the greatest? Who will break the chain? We have the power to walk away or walk along.
I'm looking to buy a new bike. Color is a massive part of the choice. So many of my favorite bikes are just horrible colors.