There’s no in the world that you should ever attempt to turn right from the left lane at a roundabout, unless the markings tell you otherwise, however, the turn my student was asked to do is not right in my opinion.
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So if the DVSA state it can be done from both lanes, how can they fail a pupil!! I agree with you analysis being correct, how can an instructor teach someone how to negotiate a legal manoeuvre, only to be told by an examiner that it’s wrong!!
If I was that pupil I would be appealing that decision.
I was recently chatting with a colleague in the US about his experience driving in the UK – he hated it, and I can understand why. Roads in the US are really consistent. Everything is built on a grid/block pattern and that makes for consistent junction design and therefore you can drive in Minnesota and Florida… with pretty much the same experience, and I have done so. Meanwhile I find driving into pretty much any UK city to be a terrifying experience of crazy junctions that don't make sense and often require a level of local knowledge. The idea that you can learn to drive in one place in the UK and then competently drive anywhere is not entirely true.
Had my test today. Only 1 serious right near the end. We was at a roundabout and my lane and the lane to the right of me was going straight on. When it was clear I decided to pull off however because the car to my right pulled off at the same time he failed me. I don’t get why he failed me because I didn’t slow down any other road ushers or inconvenience anyone and I could perfectly see it was clear and safe to go. What makes it even worse is on the email they send you when you fail, it said my serious fault was for use of mirrors which is completely different to what the examiner told me I had failed for.
I totally agree with you. I think failing a pupil on what is nitpicking, not unsafe driving or law breaking is pathetic! As we know any lane leaving a roundabout passed 12 O’clock is a right hand lane. Maybe another money grabbing exercise? Keep up the good work. In my days (1970s) as a driving instructor we had examiners that failed female drivers for wearing jeans! And various other oddities! Hopefully that has changed?
Driven safely for 50 years and I’d have done the same as your pupil, and I’m convinced it would be perfectly safe.
I asked my driving instructor, What does a yellow light mean?. He said slow down. Ok whaatt doesss aaah yeelloow liighttt meeeaan.
This was brought up when they had a group of examiner going around all test Centres and checking. The consensus was you can enter and exit from any lane as long as it’s done safely. So this must have been changed. As an ex examiner who has worked Norris green DTC I agree with you. The direction your pupil should have been given is “we are coming to two roundabouts close together, turn right at the first go under the bridge and ahead at the second roundabout.” They where the directions I was told to give when heading back to the DTC from that direction.
keep in mind the driving test seems to have amazingly little to do with actually driving
its entirely about following arbitrary instructions to the letter without question or deviation
Full agreement on that one Ashley.
One other question, how do they get away with parking on a dual carriageway? Didn't see any dropped kerbs, doesn't it block your view ?
Hi Ashley
Having been an ADI since 1983, I've sat in on a number of tests over the years and in most cases have agreed with the examiners decision. However (and it's a big HOWEVER), in a number of cases I would definitely have failed the pupil and in all cases the pupil said they would have failed themselves, yet it was a pass ? On other occasions I saw no good reason why the pupil was failed.
On the double roundabout in the video, aside from the roundabout sign I could see no arrows on the road designating which lane to take. I do consider that there are some aspects to driving which are subjective to opinion (be it ADI or examiner), which does not necessarily mean either is right or wrong. I have also had examiners give different directions at some unusual junctions ! with "at the junction take the road straight ahead", "at the end of the road turn right" and another saying nothing at all.
Through Hampshire Police and the Blue Lamp Trust I conduct taxi tests which are pretty much the same as the old style driving test. During a few of these tests some situations arise which bring in the issue of what is right or wrong on certain road layouts, but provided the candidate deals with the situation safely I would not mark a fail, albeit that I would have dealt with it differently.
Please don't get me started on pass rates or % for the DVSA as that's another matter.
Surely, you can only turn left off a roundabout. It may be the 3rd or 4th exit, but it is always left.
The roads aren't this confusing anywhere in the world. Only uk
I have a family member who was failed by the examiner not for any serious fault, or even an accumulation of minors, but because the examiner 'didn't feel safe'. A friend was passed the same examiner but mentioned to me that the guy encouraged her beep as they approached a golf course as it would annoy the golfers. It seemed to she was being set up by the examiner, had she used the horn he'd have failed her for it. There are bad apples out there.
Hi Ashley, just watched this video with interest, one thing I noticed there are no arrows marked on the road. To give people that don’t live in that area an idea what lane to be in. Regards James
I totally agree l
Nothing wrong with that… I'd say the right lane approach is more risky though, having to cut that left lane to exit, the number of people that under take right lanes on round about that cut across your exit…. Manchester m602/Regent road round about is a nightmare of this, especially when wanting to join the m602…
Sounds like its being used to catch people out… they should be focusing more on general driving ability… some of the numpties on the roads today… its like everyone is driving without a licence or any training.
It looks like two 'straight on's, to me. Your learner must be gutted.
Sometimes, to pass a certification, you have to do what the examiners want – then go back to doing it right once you've passed.
One explanation, maybe the examiners want a right turn at a roundabout in the test, and that's the best they felt they could do while putting their route together.
how would you even do second exit then third exit? do you enter in the second lane to the first roundabout?
Morris Green was where my dear old Dad was an examiner many years ago.
I’d say if straight ahead is slightly to the right then you can enter in the left lane but I’d use my indicator to inform the approaching traffic where I’m going, saying to get into the right lane for any off centre straight on (to the right) will result in unnecessary lane changes and could get dangerous if your driving on unfamiliar roads
Frustrating to be failed as the DVSA are being pedantic
I was a driving instructor and an advanced motorist, I took my wife to drive in various vans , cars, Land Rovers and sports cars, you name it, over a long period of time. By time I finished she was a superb driver. She then took her test but failed. The examiner said she was driving to confidently. I have always said the driving test is ludicrous and the way we teach pupils to drive. We do not teach people to drive, we teach them to pass the test. The test and the way we teach people should be minimum of the Institute advanced motorists, and even that is not as stiff as it used to be years ago. This is why there are so many so-called accidents on the road and so many people are killed. I was also a firefighter for many years and I have seen the results of bad driving and it’s not pretty
I know these junctions. I do believe a fail is very harsh. So harsh as to be very wrong. However if you just follow the clock rule and use the right hand lane for anything past 12 o’clock your journey through the roundabouts is much smoother.
It was safe, I’d argue intuitive to do as the pupil did and it seems to be what the traffic around you would expect. What infuriates me is that a pupil would have to pay an additional £75ish for another test and £50ish to use the instructor’s car again just because of a local nuance that holds no reflection on their ability to be a safe and competent driver in the real world.