I think it’s a combination of poor body positioning (angulation) and your front end washing in the loose part of the berm.
indesmowetrust on
Well, you never really got into the berm for one.
History_Interesting on
I mean how the fuck did your tire do that? It looks like your headset was loose as fuck and your tire just had zero support to your bars?
IllustriousLP on
Lol
PMSfishy on
You didn’t fall on the berm, you fell into the berm.
coltzer on
You’re in the low loose part of the berm and need to treat that more like a flat turn. You leant too much with the bike instead of keeping your mass over the contact point of the wheels. Or enter the berm higher, still probably with bit more of a weight shift towards the wheels regardless
MegaVega on
Riding to low in the berm where all the rocks/sand live and the support is not. Also way to much front brake.
snarpsta on
I believe you were leaned way too far over. You want to lean the bike, not your body. Also, I’m a rookie so anybody can correct me if I’m wrong.
Also, have a bike shop check your hardware bc that looked weird to me.
kerit on
As your wheel comes into a rise in the trail, in this case the berm, the wheel’s contact point with the ground moves forward.
It takes really good stability to counteract those forces when the contact patch moves ahead of the steering axis. It basically inverts all the attributes of your fork that makes it stable. Technically, you reversed your fork trail.
kmg6284 on
Loose dirt
Beneficial-Oven1258 on
For some reason you just let the bars spin freely
Motor_Software2230 on
Dug your front tire in the deep loose stuff. It’s like riding in deep sand at that point. You’ll have to be more upright when riding through deep dirt/sand/mud.
Disastrous_Tap4880 on
Wtf
YoCal_4200 on
Because you weren’t on that berm.
Virtike on
Well for one, you didn’t even use the berm. Other than that, too much lean and turn-in where there was no support. Over-commitment.
Disastrous_Tap4880 on
You turned your bars too much it looks like
austinmiles on
In addition to a lot of the comments I’d be curious what tires you are running and if there is a gap between the outside knobs and center knobs. That deadspot during the lean is easy to wash out on and possibly why specifically it slipped
JeribZPG on
You went in low/flat, and your lean shifted your centre of gravity too far over.
You want to get much higher on the wall, and use your speed to push you around. It sounds counter intuitive, but you want your inside arm more straight, so your body mass is more or less over the wheels.
Varies massively on corner shape, type, speed, etc, but essentially that’s what you need to aim for in a low-speed corner
Vegetable-Win-1325 on
From what I can see your weight is on the inside of the turn instead of over the bike so your front washed out. Could be wrong.
Slavic-PussyEater69 on
You didn’t get up on the berm and headed straight for a pile of sand to wash out on. Nice.
Most-Luck9724 on
Half steered then let go of the handlebars??
DentistThese9696 on
Looks like you were trying to steer with your bars too much vs leaning the bike over in the berm.
mtbredditor on
Because you weren’t on the Berm
Reverse_swoosh91 on
You might have hit the front break while steering.
SlushyFox on
it seems clear how you crashed, so i’m not gonna repeat what other people have already said.
otherwise start looking up skills/technique videos to better your riding skills, Ben Cathro How to Bike video series is the defacto standard.
You leaned way over. You were too far back. Either one by itself would doom you.
also_your_mom on
Strange “berm”. It didn’t start until darn near the end of the turn
Looks like you were leaning WAY into what you thought was “the berm” but you were still on a very loose flat turn. You started sliding sideways, to the right. You tried to recover by turning hard right, but it was all over before that point because you were leand over to the left so far.
Albie_77 on
1. Your hands wasn’t firm enough to support the bar. When you turn in a berm it should be an angle, not turning your handlebar physically.
2. You didn’t go high enough into the berm. The lower part is dusty and should be avoided.
3. you didn’t have enough speed to keep the bike going in one direction.
BekindBebetter60 on
You ride the side of the berm. You hit the worst part the dusty bottom where as you can see there is very little traction
mr_deadgamer on
Looks like your headset was loose and the wheel turned to me.
Otherwise-Ad7735 on
Turned too tight on the loose dirt. Lean into the outside of the berm. Keep your arms more stiff, like you’re mid push-up
DigSolid7747 on
I keep watching it again and again like the Zapruder film.
bigwinw on
Nice fall! Had a good laugh
TNtrailrider on
You fell in front of the berm because you obviously don’t know how to ride a berm or flat ground in front of berms apparently. It’s okay though just get up dust yourself off and try again.
Similar-Jellyfish499 on
Lmao get the training wheels on bro, yikes
WDolah on
Start higher in the turn and ride it down from there. Also, don’t be shy on leaning back!
tdank9 on
Prestigious-Nose1698 on
Over rotated
Cycling_5700 on
Looks like you were completely afraid of the berm and tried to avoid it (or hit as little as possible, washing out in the loose, flat section.
Corky_ on
I’ve seen very few comments actually address the underlying issue which is your inside arm drops down (it feels natural so don’t worry everyone does it!)
You need both arms in that bent 90* “chicken wing” press up position.
You’ll feel any inside arm come down naturally on a corner to help steer, force that sucker up and then try the turn.
It’ll take getting used to but it should help hold the wheel stronger if you mess up cornering in other places (E.g. your entry, hitting a gravel patch, bumps etc)
Then you can play with speed and angles to make things even better. Good luck!
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I think it’s a combination of poor body positioning (angulation) and your front end washing in the loose part of the berm.
Well, you never really got into the berm for one.
I mean how the fuck did your tire do that? It looks like your headset was loose as fuck and your tire just had zero support to your bars?
Lol
You didn’t fall on the berm, you fell into the berm.
You’re in the low loose part of the berm and need to treat that more like a flat turn. You leant too much with the bike instead of keeping your mass over the contact point of the wheels. Or enter the berm higher, still probably with bit more of a weight shift towards the wheels regardless
Riding to low in the berm where all the rocks/sand live and the support is not. Also way to much front brake.
I believe you were leaned way too far over. You want to lean the bike, not your body. Also, I’m a rookie so anybody can correct me if I’m wrong.
Also, have a bike shop check your hardware bc that looked weird to me.
As your wheel comes into a rise in the trail, in this case the berm, the wheel’s contact point with the ground moves forward.
It takes really good stability to counteract those forces when the contact patch moves ahead of the steering axis. It basically inverts all the attributes of your fork that makes it stable. Technically, you reversed your fork trail.
Loose dirt
For some reason you just let the bars spin freely
Dug your front tire in the deep loose stuff. It’s like riding in deep sand at that point. You’ll have to be more upright when riding through deep dirt/sand/mud.
Wtf
Because you weren’t on that berm.
Well for one, you didn’t even use the berm. Other than that, too much lean and turn-in where there was no support. Over-commitment.
You turned your bars too much it looks like
In addition to a lot of the comments I’d be curious what tires you are running and if there is a gap between the outside knobs and center knobs. That deadspot during the lean is easy to wash out on and possibly why specifically it slipped
You went in low/flat, and your lean shifted your centre of gravity too far over.
You want to get much higher on the wall, and use your speed to push you around. It sounds counter intuitive, but you want your inside arm more straight, so your body mass is more or less over the wheels.
Varies massively on corner shape, type, speed, etc, but essentially that’s what you need to aim for in a low-speed corner
From what I can see your weight is on the inside of the turn instead of over the bike so your front washed out. Could be wrong.
You didn’t get up on the berm and headed straight for a pile of sand to wash out on. Nice.
Half steered then let go of the handlebars??
Looks like you were trying to steer with your bars too much vs leaning the bike over in the berm.
Because you weren’t on the Berm
You might have hit the front break while steering.
it seems clear how you crashed, so i’m not gonna repeat what other people have already said.
otherwise start looking up skills/technique videos to better your riding skills, Ben Cathro How to Bike video series is the defacto standard.
https://m.pinkbike.com/news/tags/how-to-bike/
gl.
Gravity
Learn about counter-steering.
You leaned way over. You were too far back. Either one by itself would doom you.
Strange “berm”. It didn’t start until darn near the end of the turn
Looks like you were leaning WAY into what you thought was “the berm” but you were still on a very loose flat turn. You started sliding sideways, to the right. You tried to recover by turning hard right, but it was all over before that point because you were leand over to the left so far.
1. Your hands wasn’t firm enough to support the bar. When you turn in a berm it should be an angle, not turning your handlebar physically.
2. You didn’t go high enough into the berm. The lower part is dusty and should be avoided.
3. you didn’t have enough speed to keep the bike going in one direction.
You ride the side of the berm. You hit the worst part the dusty bottom where as you can see there is very little traction
Looks like your headset was loose and the wheel turned to me.
Turned too tight on the loose dirt. Lean into the outside of the berm. Keep your arms more stiff, like you’re mid push-up
I keep watching it again and again like the Zapruder film.
Nice fall! Had a good laugh
You fell in front of the berm because you obviously don’t know how to ride a berm or flat ground in front of berms apparently. It’s okay though just get up dust yourself off and try again.
Lmao get the training wheels on bro, yikes
Start higher in the turn and ride it down from there. Also, don’t be shy on leaning back!
Over rotated
Looks like you were completely afraid of the berm and tried to avoid it (or hit as little as possible, washing out in the loose, flat section.
I’ve seen very few comments actually address the underlying issue which is your inside arm drops down (it feels natural so don’t worry everyone does it!)
You need both arms in that bent 90* “chicken wing” press up position.
You’ll feel any inside arm come down naturally on a corner to help steer, force that sucker up and then try the turn.
It’ll take getting used to but it should help hold the wheel stronger if you mess up cornering in other places (E.g. your entry, hitting a gravel patch, bumps etc)
Then you can play with speed and angles to make things even better. Good luck!