They are compatible from what I see, sometimes its just really tight. I always use tire levers and in cases where its really tight you might need to use multiple to just plop the last part on in one go
r3dm0nk on
Tire levers, soap, tears, hurt hands. Will fit.
PHILSTORMBORN on
When you put the tire on, put as much of the bead of the tire in the centre of the writing on that rim tape as possible. There is a channel in the centre of the rim. If the bead, on this side is in the channel, then when you are working the bead on the opposite side it will give you those few mm more to use.
JohnDStevenson on
As others have said, they can probably be persuaded to mount, but if they’re that hard to get on, they’re going to be a massive pain in the arse if you need to change a tube in the field (especially as it will of course be cold and raining when this happens). For that reason alone I wouldn’t ride this combination.
Much_Confusion_4616 on
Mine were the same way but after some blood, sweat, and tears I was able to wrangle them on.
Fatticus_Rinch on
Try harder
KeeganHvsky on
Yes they are compatible
lo-fi-hiphop-beats on
good technique and leaving them under the sun for a bit. whatever you do, don’t resort to using metal levers, i’ve bent my rim that way. i’ve tried using a tire jack and even that snapped on me. i ended up seating it with a bunch of plastic levers anyway
amarks563 on
So there’s a 99% chance you have a 700c wheel and it’s compatible with those tires, but I should note that what you’re showing in the picture is the size of your Herrman’s rim strip, not the wheel. Check on the rim itself for a size marking. The reason I say this is that that rim strip is actually listing a couple rim sizes…you probably don’t have Westwood 28″ wheels (ETRTO 635) but technically we don’t know for sure from the image.
Formal-Preference170 on
Getting some tighter tires on is a skill, bordering on an art.
You’ve got a few good tips. You’ll get there, if not your local shop will slip them on bare handed and make drop cheeky a ‘yea they were tight’ so you don’t feel so bad.
Tubeless-ready tires (like the ones you have pictured) are designed to fit as tightly as possible on the rim. That makes them more difficult to install/remove than tires that are specifically designed to be used with innertubes. Like others have said, there’s a channel in the center of your rim that will give you more wiggle room to get the second bead to seat. Global Cycling Network has a helpful [video about changing tires](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU) that explains it better than I can
timestamp001 on
If they were just unfolded, they are still a bit stiff and it usually takes a day or so for them to get more supple.
thisahami on
Watch this in its entirety….. watch it twice if you have to
Recently went through a similar situation. The local bike shop had three people trying to get a tire + tube onto my gravel bike. They were successful and I thought that it was the best $30 I ever spent (both wheels). Came home the rea tire was flat. Thought I was in a for a fight like the bike shop folks but after following his instructions, it was done in 5 minutes. Need tire levers at the very end. Keep squeezing from the top towards the valve several times. That’s the lesson I learned. Hope this helps and good luck to you.
gravelpi on
Assuming the wheel is 19mm internal and 700c/622 diameter (not just the rim strip), I have had a set of these (Gravelking SK 700x38c) on my 19×622 rims. It helps to follow all the tire tips, like making sure the opposite side is down in the center of the rim to give it some room.
I like the tires a lot, BTW. I switch between those and the SS in the same size.
nolaks1 on
New tires can be quite stiff and hard to work with, but we good plastic lever (not metal ones) it’ll go in. I got a set of park tools lever and they work great, got good leverage and design. Better than the cheap one I got for free in a tube order.
You’ll need 2-3 levers and work with both of them to force the tire to go in. I usually do this on the couch while holding one lever with my shoulder or something. Work your way out to force the tire to get one side in and work inward to get the tire second side in.
Avoid finishing or prying at the valve. I find it just causes troubles.
Gullible-Minute-9482 on
A 19mm x 622mm rim should carry a 700x38c tire. I do not really know why they gotta confuse us like this, but I’m pretty sure wheel size has more to do with the diameter of the wheel with an average width tire mounted than it does the exact rim dimension. A 29″ tire should also fit if it is not too wide even though the rim says 28″ on it.
Use proper technique and those 38c tires should pop on without any trouble at all, tubeless rims tend to be a little more difficult, but the wider the tire, the easier they are to mount/dismount as a rule of thumb.
OGwigglesrewind on
Yup. I have the same size rims and tires and I have fit then by hand multiple times…my guess is your trying to fit them with one or both beads in place and not in the center channel. Having the beads in the center channel gives you a lot more ability to get the last bit of the tire on the rim. If you still struggle even when that’s the case you just may not have strong hands in which case I would recommend buying a bead jack…they are 15$ and make fitting tires ridiculously easy
coffeeeandbikes on
Recently went through something similar. Gravelkings, pretty thin tubeless ready wheel. It was hard work, but you can get there.
RenaissancemanTX on
That’s a narrow rim and a fat tire. Probably can be mounted. However, it’s not the best combination. I would be concerned going through tight turns especially at low tire pressures. Without seeing the bike, I don’t know if those tires would have enough frame and brake (assuming rim brakes given the narrow rims) clearance.
k-one-0-two on
I’ve got the same tires. Love tham, but they are damn hard to put on
Blagh1sm on
They are really hard to fit btw!
monkeywrench83 on
Weldite tyre levers. They get the tyre in
Electronic_Army_8234 on
Plastic tyre levers and persistence my panaracer thought it could stop me too and that’s when I got the second lever out…
didileavethegason on
I invested in some top of the line park tool plastic coated metal tyre levers and never looked back. Can go hard without worrying about it snapping. Not sure what the park tool code is
Gravel king are the tyres I’ve had the least trouble with tbh
Morall_tach on
This is one of the few things I will make the bike shop do. I only need new tires every year or so and it is absolutely worth the 20 bucks for someone else to deal with this.
BadLabRat on
Saw a guy on YouTube throw a tire at a wheel and it fit instantly. It was even fu of air. So I accused him of witchcraft and now all his bikes are mine.
But, yeah if you get the bead into the lowest part of the rim channel it will eventually get seated. Some tire levers may help as well. Pedro’s levers are pretty great.
Cholas71 on
I’ve got them. They do fit eventually. Great all rounders btw done a few imperial century plus mixed road/gravel rides on them.
TheNetworkIsFrelled on
They’re both 622, so yes.
Learn to mount a tire properly….
Craggzoid on
I put some gravel kings on few weeks back. First wheel felt like I was going to snap my tyre levers. Second one I followed the advice in a video.
Put the tyre in on one side, make sure the bead is on the middle of the rim. Start at the top popping the other side in, working around both sides with one hand each. Keep the tension in the part that is inside, tying to make parts that are not on slack.
I found that lifing the wheel in to my stomache and holding it out worked best for this, but you can also do it on the ground.
Once you can’t force it anymore get tyre levers you. Put them both in at each end of the opening. Lever one side on, ensuring the other side doesn’t move and just keep I ching alongoke that.
If you’re really stuck, soapy water and a friend to hold stuff. But the main thing is working around from the start and bringing the slack with you.
SprocketHead357 on
It’ll work. If you just unfolded the tire let it sit in the sun for a while. Helps it stretch out and makes it a hell of a lot easier to put on.
unperfect on
I have my 40c gravel kings mounted on a 19mm rim. It works perfectly fine.
SassafrassMustache on
I used to have those tires (bike got stolen) and I absolutely loved them, great purchase
Straight-Minimum-841 on
I just put a set Panaracers on my bike a couple days ago. They’re a tough tire to mount. FYI if you’re going tubeless, save yourself the trouble and get a valve core remover. Trying to keep the sealant in the tire while mounting it was a frustration I’d never felt before or since.
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They are compatible from what I see, sometimes its just really tight. I always use tire levers and in cases where its really tight you might need to use multiple to just plop the last part on in one go
Tire levers, soap, tears, hurt hands. Will fit.
When you put the tire on, put as much of the bead of the tire in the centre of the writing on that rim tape as possible. There is a channel in the centre of the rim. If the bead, on this side is in the channel, then when you are working the bead on the opposite side it will give you those few mm more to use.
As others have said, they can probably be persuaded to mount, but if they’re that hard to get on, they’re going to be a massive pain in the arse if you need to change a tube in the field (especially as it will of course be cold and raining when this happens). For that reason alone I wouldn’t ride this combination.
Mine were the same way but after some blood, sweat, and tears I was able to wrangle them on.
Try harder
Yes they are compatible
good technique and leaving them under the sun for a bit. whatever you do, don’t resort to using metal levers, i’ve bent my rim that way. i’ve tried using a tire jack and even that snapped on me. i ended up seating it with a bunch of plastic levers anyway
So there’s a 99% chance you have a 700c wheel and it’s compatible with those tires, but I should note that what you’re showing in the picture is the size of your Herrman’s rim strip, not the wheel. Check on the rim itself for a size marking. The reason I say this is that that rim strip is actually listing a couple rim sizes…you probably don’t have Westwood 28″ wheels (ETRTO 635) but technically we don’t know for sure from the image.
Getting some tighter tires on is a skill, bordering on an art.
You’ve got a few good tips. You’ll get there, if not your local shop will slip them on bare handed and make drop cheeky a ‘yea they were tight’ so you don’t feel so bad.
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Tubeless-ready tires (like the ones you have pictured) are designed to fit as tightly as possible on the rim. That makes them more difficult to install/remove than tires that are specifically designed to be used with innertubes. Like others have said, there’s a channel in the center of your rim that will give you more wiggle room to get the second bead to seat. Global Cycling Network has a helpful [video about changing tires](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU) that explains it better than I can
If they were just unfolded, they are still a bit stiff and it usually takes a day or so for them to get more supple.
Watch this in its entirety….. watch it twice if you have to
https://youtu.be/Suh1-o6KBo8?si=7tPDDqTmYOrSFI4S
Recently went through a similar situation. The local bike shop had three people trying to get a tire + tube onto my gravel bike. They were successful and I thought that it was the best $30 I ever spent (both wheels). Came home the rea tire was flat. Thought I was in a for a fight like the bike shop folks but after following his instructions, it was done in 5 minutes. Need tire levers at the very end. Keep squeezing from the top towards the valve several times. That’s the lesson I learned. Hope this helps and good luck to you.
Assuming the wheel is 19mm internal and 700c/622 diameter (not just the rim strip), I have had a set of these (Gravelking SK 700x38c) on my 19×622 rims. It helps to follow all the tire tips, like making sure the opposite side is down in the center of the rim to give it some room.
I like the tires a lot, BTW. I switch between those and the SS in the same size.
New tires can be quite stiff and hard to work with, but we good plastic lever (not metal ones) it’ll go in. I got a set of park tools lever and they work great, got good leverage and design. Better than the cheap one I got for free in a tube order.
You’ll need 2-3 levers and work with both of them to force the tire to go in. I usually do this on the couch while holding one lever with my shoulder or something. Work your way out to force the tire to get one side in and work inward to get the tire second side in.
Avoid finishing or prying at the valve. I find it just causes troubles.
A 19mm x 622mm rim should carry a 700x38c tire. I do not really know why they gotta confuse us like this, but I’m pretty sure wheel size has more to do with the diameter of the wheel with an average width tire mounted than it does the exact rim dimension. A 29″ tire should also fit if it is not too wide even though the rim says 28″ on it.
Use proper technique and those 38c tires should pop on without any trouble at all, tubeless rims tend to be a little more difficult, but the wider the tire, the easier they are to mount/dismount as a rule of thumb.
Yup. I have the same size rims and tires and I have fit then by hand multiple times…my guess is your trying to fit them with one or both beads in place and not in the center channel. Having the beads in the center channel gives you a lot more ability to get the last bit of the tire on the rim. If you still struggle even when that’s the case you just may not have strong hands in which case I would recommend buying a bead jack…they are 15$ and make fitting tires ridiculously easy
Recently went through something similar. Gravelkings, pretty thin tubeless ready wheel. It was hard work, but you can get there.
That’s a narrow rim and a fat tire. Probably can be mounted. However, it’s not the best combination. I would be concerned going through tight turns especially at low tire pressures. Without seeing the bike, I don’t know if those tires would have enough frame and brake (assuming rim brakes given the narrow rims) clearance.
I’ve got the same tires. Love tham, but they are damn hard to put on
They are really hard to fit btw!
Weldite tyre levers. They get the tyre in
Plastic tyre levers and persistence my panaracer thought it could stop me too and that’s when I got the second lever out…
I invested in some top of the line park tool plastic coated metal tyre levers and never looked back. Can go hard without worrying about it snapping. Not sure what the park tool code is
[This tool is helpful!](https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/kool-stop-tire-bead-jack?adl=1&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwps-zBhAiEiwALwsVYXfOa5floL8rTugDeEq7Gm2bkAoIZ5IbzYnCA9kE1xhlUfKr4-1ehRoCF0EQAvD_BwE)
Gravel king are the tyres I’ve had the least trouble with tbh
This is one of the few things I will make the bike shop do. I only need new tires every year or so and it is absolutely worth the 20 bucks for someone else to deal with this.
Saw a guy on YouTube throw a tire at a wheel and it fit instantly. It was even fu of air. So I accused him of witchcraft and now all his bikes are mine.
But, yeah if you get the bead into the lowest part of the rim channel it will eventually get seated. Some tire levers may help as well. Pedro’s levers are pretty great.
I’ve got them. They do fit eventually. Great all rounders btw done a few imperial century plus mixed road/gravel rides on them.
They’re both 622, so yes.
Learn to mount a tire properly….
I put some gravel kings on few weeks back. First wheel felt like I was going to snap my tyre levers. Second one I followed the advice in a video.
Put the tyre in on one side, make sure the bead is on the middle of the rim. Start at the top popping the other side in, working around both sides with one hand each. Keep the tension in the part that is inside, tying to make parts that are not on slack.
I found that lifing the wheel in to my stomache and holding it out worked best for this, but you can also do it on the ground.
Once you can’t force it anymore get tyre levers you. Put them both in at each end of the opening. Lever one side on, ensuring the other side doesn’t move and just keep I ching alongoke that.
If you’re really stuck, soapy water and a friend to hold stuff. But the main thing is working around from the start and bringing the slack with you.
It’ll work. If you just unfolded the tire let it sit in the sun for a while. Helps it stretch out and makes it a hell of a lot easier to put on.
I have my 40c gravel kings mounted on a 19mm rim. It works perfectly fine.
I used to have those tires (bike got stolen) and I absolutely loved them, great purchase
I just put a set Panaracers on my bike a couple days ago. They’re a tough tire to mount. FYI if you’re going tubeless, save yourself the trouble and get a valve core remover. Trying to keep the sealant in the tire while mounting it was a frustration I’d never felt before or since.