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  1. So you want a bike that does everything that this bike does and you want it for the same price as this bike? Sounds like you found the bike buddy!

  2. No_Detective5256 on

    Squid bikes makes some thing similar but its more expensive, i would go for the stare bike tbh.

  3. EmotionalSeat5583 on

    i asked this question a few weeks ago. Soma Rush, Squid So-Ez…..I think im gonna get a Wabi Thunder. its more expensive but seems to be worth it. either way you’ll be fine. check on ebay too, you can find bikes made with great compnents for half of what they’d cost new. also the surley steamroller………….https://www.ebay.com/itm/126020861730?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D265567%26meid%3Df36f60ead5624c109931358e6dbd2706%26pid%3D101770%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D126020861730%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2%26brand%3DAll-City&_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m146925&_trkparms=parentrq%3A924325ea18f0a5617cd8a20efffde5a4%7Cpageci%3A728a4a69-1613-11ef-8eeb-fa40e6d0f5b6%7Ciid%3A1%7Cvlpname%3Avlp_homepage

  4. Liquidwombat on

    Squid (So-Ez) and wabi (Thunder) both makes a similar bike, but their frames alone are significantly more expensive than a complete state 4130 and there’s no functional difference between the frames. The state is absolutely by far the best deal on the market.

  5. My 2009 Kona paddy wagon had 32s, but I am pretty sure other people were able to squeeze 35s onto some models. And I know others had racks on their paddy wagons. Not the greatest help, but maybe something to look into if you wanted to go the older route

  6. Are you looking for a complete or are you open to building something up? The State 4130 is very similar to the Squid SO-EZ and Surly Steamroller in terms of tire/ wheel tolerances plus the extra mounting points but the included components are not good.
    I picked one up for my son a couple years back and so far have changed out the handlebars, stem, seatpost, saddle and cranks with a mix of better components I had in my bin and stuff I grabbed to upgrade and fit him better. The wheels are pretty heavy and the brakes also very soft and flexy feeling but if those aren’t deal breakers for you it’s a good entry level ride.

  7. OuttapocketJesus on

    I don’t know about the racks but you should build up a Poseidon tracklacross frame and if you do, I’ll get one too.

  8. Santafixie Wild might be what you’re looking for. Around $600-700, chromoly frame and fork, front and rear mounting points for racks, multiple mounting points on fork and wheels up to 45mm.

  9. jellysotherhalf on

    If you have a decent parts bin, build up an On-One Mulo. Frames are $107/£99. Tire clearance is better than the State.

  10. FeelingReplacement53 on

    Most every manufacturer makes a wide clearance now, squid, state, mash, surly, Bianchi, all the staples have one advertised for “gravel”. It’s not like years ago when it was basically just Bianchi and mash

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