2 THANE HEINS The Law of Creation of Energy and Infinite Efficiency Generation Innovation Interview

RE: The New Energy Paradigm for Humanity – The Law of Creation of Energy of 1820

Electromagnetic Field Energy is created at the Sub-Atomic Quantum Electron level in every Current Bearing Wire via Electron Fission and Electron Fusion when an Electromotive Force (Voltage) is applied to or induced in a Current Bearing Wire in a Closed Circuit.

Electrons are forced out of their Valence orbits via Electron Fission and they cascade within the Wire as Electric Current.

When the unstable Electrons return back down to their Valence Orbits via Electron Fission they create and emit Photons which create and constitute the Electromagnetic Field (Photon) Energy around the Current Bearing Wire.

A Photon is an elementary particle that is a quantum of the Electromagnetic Field, and is the force carrier for Electromagnetic Force.

This internally Sub-Atomically created Electromagnetic Field Photon Energy is the Internally Created Energy Source which is required to perform Negative Work at infinite efficiency in every Faraday Generator since 1834 according to the First Law of Thermodynamics and the Positive Work at infinite efficiency in every ReGenX Generator and ReGen-X Quantum Motor since 2007 according to the New First Law of Thermodynamics.

[Music] h [Music] [Music] at that point you still had you didn’t have the explanation of how the physical workings how it actually work and and then you proceeded to figure that out by doing experiment with your bus part so so the two of you were uh Luke I think Luke left Luke stayed at autu for a year and then it was basically I I had to figure everything out by yourself on my own yeah so you were back back to your seller and doing it on your own well full time by by this time I had a two-car garage with a lab in it heated garage and that’s where you see the electric bike video and so I yeah so I had to um I mean I had to go back to read everything and you know understand uh and you were able to put the story together that you were just explaining to us about impedance and uh what is that parasitic capacitance and time delays and frequencies and you you figured it out yeah can I get to the out of the theoretics and to the human story because the million-dollar question for journalists or artists coming here is if you invented this and it works and you know why it works and you can build it then why isn’t it in your car which is the obvious question it will be and and why isn’t it yet is that because the Prototype is not you you need like um serial manufacturing to to get it working or is what’s catch I don’t know can you call God on your cell phone and ask him because I don’t have his number I don’t either and he’s not telling me so I don’t know why I don’t know why but I actually I do know why it’s very simple um have you heard of Stanley Meyer no Stanley Meer the guy that made the car that ran on water no have you heard of of uh Dr diesel he made a car that worked on diesel he he made a he made he made tractors that ran on vegetable oil okay you’ve heard of people using french fryer oil in their volkswagons okay so Dr diesel Dr diesel invented the diesel engine to run on vegetable oil so Farmers could uh grow their own fuel okay like pretty significant grow their own Fuel and power their own tractors like give me a break that’s like pretty awesome and so Dr diesel went to a a a convention in Paris and he won every award that you could imagine and why while he was going across the English Channel in with his diesel engine blah blah blah and all his Awards somebody pulled him out of bed slid his throat and threw him into the English Canal and then his diesel vegetable oil diesel engine was converted into a fossil fuel diesel engine so now we’re buying diesel instead of growing Diesel and Stanley Meer so but just a moment this is the reason why we don’t have uh this thing you invented in our cars but why isn’t it in your own car I’m getting to it I’m getting to it so Stanley Meyer built a car where you put water in the gas tank and then he made a special spark plug that split the hydrogen the water molecule into hydrogen and oxygen which you burn and he made a car that you could you could run on water and he drove it across the United States and it’s surprising that you don’t know about it so Stanley Meyer was murdered because of his invention so let’s say just for argument sake that the universe doesn’t want me to get murdered then the universe won’t give me enough money to build something for my car or whatever whatever whatever it will give me enough money to do the to do the necessary research to define the physics okay to define the physics so that I can go to somebody from the Netherlands or Holland that cares about Dr Ed’s Discovery in 1820 so the and a lot of people ask me you know um the same question how when is it going to be ready when am I da d d da and I say well it’s not up to me it’s up it’s up to the universe the the I don’t but but the reason it’s not ready for putting it into a car is that it’s well not I don’t know not working 100% or it’s too expensive to build a thing that fits into a car the first so the the first part was we had to get the backing theory developed that’s the first part then the second part is we have to have a commercially viable coil okay you can’t you can’t you can’t um that’s lug yeah no well I mean if you have something that works whatever it is to make it commercially viable you need to industrialize it right yeah you scale it up you need bigger facilities you need to bring the cost down well no you have to make it so it resembles a conventional coil for example the first uh regenx coil was 300 no f 50 ohms DC resistance okay the Dutch guys his is 300 ohms so that’s a very high DC resistance coil okay and you can’t generate you can’t generate electricity with that coil you can produce acceleration but you can’t generate much electricity because the electricity is consumed by the resistance of the winding okay okay so it took us until and I say when I say us I mean me and my investors it took us until 2018 to um get a commercially manufactured regenx generator coil from 15 50 ohms down to4 ohms okay4 ohms that was a very very long and arduous uh intellectual property iteration process so now now we have commercially manufactured coils that are are less than an OHM of resistance so now they’re commercially viable now you can now you can put that into a into a EV or this this you could have done this faster if people would have supported you with more money or research no no can you okay I’m going to hold a gun to your head okay Mr songwriter right are you’re going to write me the best song in the history of the world in 10 minutes okay you ready go no doesn’t happen that way but if I say can you write me the best song in the history of the world you might say I’ll try I I I probably could but you’re going to have to open yourself up to inspiration and so on and so on right and you’re going your life experiences from that point on are going to they’re going going to be the basis for the song right so you’re going to start out with a an objective and you’re going and there’s a certain amount of incubation period that needs to happen to produce that whatever it is and you’re not in control of that but when you have it you’re going to know and then once like I said inside once you have it and you create it you’re going to try to put it out on the world and the world going to say oh you know I love that song Or I hate that song or or all right that guy’s a bad guy or whatever whatever I think I might Mis misunderstand you or have misunderstood you so I thought you meant with the story of Mr Diesel that while you were not murdered you were being opposed by no okay no no no I have never been opposed by anyone I have been slandered and treated not well but then again anybody that starts a company that does innovation I mean if you know the story about so the reason why it’s not there yet it’s not because you’re we’re being opposed it’s it’s because it just takes time that’s what you’re saying now yeah yeah it takes every it took the right Brothers 10 years before their airplane got off the literally got off the ground Alexander green bell same thing uh Henry Ford same thing 10 years is the minimum 10 years is the usually the incubation period for an innovation and our intellectual so my company develops intellectual property okay so we have a doesen now and the regen X generator and the regen X motor those are only a couple of many so while while I’m waiting for the next inspiration to say hey change this on your coil and change that and it it often happens in a dream where you wake up and you go oh I have to I have to do this and then you go and you do that and and and you try this and you try that that’s but still you were um referring to the diesel story and okay so inventors and this goes back to those guys who don’t want to talk to you and it was the Y guy from just these these guys who so what I so now that we have now we have the physics explanation we have the commercially manufactured product we have the patent we’re filing new patents get going on yes and we are and as I mentioned to you inside we have two car companies that we’re talking to right now I can’t say anything more than that but one of them is very big right and I’m writing to and you’ve never been at this point in the history of your research this is your your on on the top of the hill now this is the natural progression of how it’s going to go and um if you call we can go inside for no no it’s okay um I mean Google knows about it I mean uh I’m introducing it to Fisker fisker’s going bankrupt lucid’s going bankrupt rivan’s going bankrupt even Tesla is having trouble so uh the the EV model the existing EV model doesn’t work you know we were talking about Mr Diesel and the other and you were saying it just took me time to get to this point yes but but but what is it how does it connect the diesel story or it it’s getting to this point could this be a risk for you or are you afraid of the industry no because my my priority is to rewrite the laws of physics to get this story out to rewrite the laws of physics not to correct the existing laws of physics to go back to 1820 and say you know the guy Hans Christian ostad what he did in 1820 we should revisit because he’s the guy that made the most significant Discovery but the because everything was in the newborn stage uh people were not able to appreciate what he did now let’s let me show you what he did okay I wonder if this will work you have a this is aluminum okay we need wood invented by Earth by the way Alum aluminum really okay there you go I googled this guy yeah and one of the things on you know in one of his achievements is inventing aluminum okay so here we are with a compass needle yes now can you please move that compass needle without using energy no you can’t you can’t you can’t okay turn that just wait you don’t have to turn it yet hopefully it’ll work try it now maybe it’s wait stop stop stop okay do it again it moves yeah okay so this is that was his experiment right so what happens now is the electr motor uh runs a current yeah so so I think what he discovered is if you have a wire and a current is going through it and you hold a compass needle besides to it then the compass needle starts moving so you can induce field the the magnetic field energy this is the key thing the magnetic field energy around the current bearing wire is going to increase the kinetic energy of the compass needle right now the kinetic energy of the compass needle is zero right okay now Newton’s first law says and the law of conservation of energy and the first law of thermodynamics they all say the same thing if you want to change the kinetic energy of this compass needle you need energy so if we’re doing if we’re changing I think there’s problem with this table but if we’re changing the kinetic energy of the compass needle and we using the electromagnetic field energy then where is that energy coming from and this is the this is osta’s Discovery that’s just gone unrewarded yeah um for yeah are you done yeah yeah I I think so so ostad discovered the law of creation of energy in 1820 and that is a new law that people don’t know that’s that’s the new law that I formulated based on the positive work cuz you ha you have to identify the energy source that’s making our system accelerate well it’s the law of creation of energy but but I didn’t Discover it this is why you are here to take this message back to your country and say get your head out of your asses we have Einstein said energy and matter are interchangeable okay there’s everything is just energy and motion okay there is no such thing as matter it’s Just Energy ostad said energy can be created that’s his Discovery and it’s it’s a sin a very very very big and I have written to many of your professors and I’ve said the the kinetic energy change of the comp needle is equal to the work performed on the compass needle which is equal to the energy required to perform the work so energy comes out of nothing or out of the subatomic energy is being created so and we had a professor physics Mr cuuk uh and he uh he told you his main argument was this energy can’t be created it only can be transferred in another form he’s just he’s par he’s not the only one no of of course that’s what they have to say now if now if we said now it gets even worse for the physicists okay it gets even worse for them or the electrical engineers because ostad in 1820 built the world’s first perpetual motion machine of the first kind are you there are you with me yeah you know why tell me why now because he showed there’s negative work etc positive work increasing the kinetic energy of the compass needle not decreasing it okay with no external no external like where’s it he was using a battery he was running he now here’s what they’ll tell you okay the physicist will tell you they’ll say and it’s very this is where they’re tricky okay what they’ll say is oh you need energy to create the magnetic field because if you don’t have a battery if t or you don’t if you don’t have current flowing in the winding then you can’t have a magnetic field so you need energy to create the magnetic field which was my point which is not true so you learned it’s not true because at a certain point you no no no it no we’re going to use we’re just going to apply ohms law and Watts power rule okay do you have a you have a electric stove it at home when you turn it on the element gets hot okay so it takes Energy electrical energy which gets converted to heat to make your stove work okay so it ost’s experiment the law of conservation of energy was being observed by the jewel heating of the wire okay Watts power rule the the voltage times the current tells you how much energy is being how much electrical energy is being converted to heat energy okay it tells you exactly the number and the conversion is being performed at 100% efficiency whatever heat is being created in The Wire cuz there’s nothing else going on whatever is being whatever electrical energy is being converted to heat energy it’s being converted at 100% efficiency right now so there’s no room left to have kinetic energy there’s there’s no again your pockets are empty you have no no money left to to pay for the energy to change the kinetic energy of so when the science guy says yeah well but you need energy to create a magnetic field you say but all this energy is transferred to heat you need energy you need energy to perform Jewel heating you can’t you can’t now here’s the here’s the kicker this is the Smoking Gun okay if these wires were superconducting wires with zero resistance uhhuh uhhuh uhhuh you’re still going to move that magnet okay but you have no electrical to heat conver no resistance and therefore no heat no heat but you’re still moving the magnet at the same rate or the same the same everything is the same so it’s not related to the heat uh thing to the energy thing energy is something else a physicist who’s been uh what do you call it brainwashed you call it well not or trained again I was one of those guys I was one of those guys and um what would they say what if he was this uh Professor what would he tell you now would he be baffled or would he still have an argument against this so what what I’m trying to do okay and I’ve been trying to do it for a long time is I’m trying electromagnetics electricity and magnetism what happened with Ed’s Discovery in 1820 the Newtonian mechanics guys saw it okay and they said okay Hans good job we’ll take it from here and then they took the electricity and magnetism subject and they put it under the umbrella of Newtonian mechanics but Newtonian mechanics can’t explain what’s going on at the subatomic level you mean well it can’t explain the work that’s being performed oh that’s what you mean yeah like the the the negative work in a generator the positive work here especially in 200 seven when we have positive work being performed with created electromagnetic field energy that that is that is the that lets the cat right out of the bag and you you can’t put it back in anymore so all the all the all they do is they ignore the cat which is now an elephant in the room it’s not a cat anymore it’s an elephant and what what what I’m trying to do and I’ve literally been trying to do with Dutch physicists is say look you guys have the greatest scientist in human history that’s yet to be discovered he’s Danish you know copenhaga is in Denmark but that’s not that’s not a problem it’s near Holland so okay I don’t know no problem problem but Dutch Danish anyway but okay Netherlands then yeah we are Netherlands but oad is from Denmark Copenhagen is in Denmark it’s another country but it’s Europe never mind oh yeah you’re right well close enough yeah for us it’s like Ottawa okay well so okay so I’m wrong there are you now trying to turn this into an into a commercially viable product it is but but but is that is that a a is that a goal for you or is the goal to rewrite the laws of physics and you don’t care if it’s no it’s going to you have to rewrite the laws of physics first in order to explain to people what’s going on because I talked to one other inventor and I I asked him the question suppose shell the oil company comes to you says we’ll give you $10 million for your idea but we’ll put it in a draw and people will never heard of and he said I’ll sign I I do it I do more on and you won’t do it no no uh no be again the wri brothers when they created the airplane they had to they had to write the fir the the laws of aerodynamics there weren’t any laws they had to they had to write the laws of aerodynamics so the the best they could do was gliders at the time and then the wri brothers came along with their heavier than air vehicle I mean right and they were pissing everybody off espec the French guy glider guys who because now the right brothers were creating a heavier than air vehicle and um even even imagine if we were in like let’s say 1700 and I came to you and I said guys I want to build a boat out of steel okay I’ve discovered the law of buoyancy and I’ve re figured out that we can make our boats out of steel you’d be like come on thing what are you smoking but they used to make boats out of wood because wood floats now in order to make a boat out of metal or concrete you can make a boat out of concrete well it’ll still float because of the law of buoyancy so as our as our physics perspective grows our knowledge grows and our we advance so what I’m trying to do with World physic physicists is I’m trying to go back to 1820 and say Ohad discovered ostad not only I mean osted discovered the law of creation of energy but he also discovered the law of conservation of energy he also discovered M’s law he discovered Watts power rule all in his little experiment and the guy well okay he’s D but he’s forgot yeah so he created aluminum but what else my story also It Go it’s it’s a personal story I’m telling I’m I’m going into this story for two years now it cost me a lot of energy and maybe even my relationship in a certain way what has this Venture cost you your relationship with Y for sure with Y [Laughter] yeah uh well okay so if you want to take a trip okay if I want to go to California then I have to be willing to give up living in Ottawa to do that right so in 200 2001 right after 911 I took a trip and I said to myself I don’t want to I don’t want to buy I don’t want to buy energy that’s being paid for with the Bloods the blood of soldiers and civilians in countries that have oil I want to I want to develop a peaceful energy alternative to oil that was my goal I had no idea how I was going to do it but that’s what I wanted to do and um in 2007 I discovered it I rediscovered CED it in in the acceleration of my generator and through my valuation and learning I realized that I didn’t Discover it at all it was actually Ed discovered it but I discovered the same thing but in a different format and my Discovery is such is such that it’s um undeniable and unavoid unavoidable if you’re if you’re fortunate enough to come for a demo tomorrow I’m going to show you an electric generator that generates electricity at infinite efficiency which means infinite efficiency means um if you’re turning it at a certain speed Y and connected to a load and this doesn’t change your input doesn’t change at all stays the same that’s infinite efficiency okay that means so if you’re turning this at a steady state speed you are you’re a drive shaft at a steady state speed the drive shaft is at what’s called rotational equilibrium and rotational equilibrium means that the torque and the the torque in the drive shaft is zero the speed is whatever it is but the power the mechanical Power is the torque times the speed okay so if I keep this going at a steady state speed and I the power in the drive shaft is zero Watts okay connect this to a load and it stays at that speed and torque then the mechanical input is zero and the electrical output is whatever okay if this now accelerates now I’m generating electricity at infinite efficiency and I’m performing mechanical work increasing the kinetic energy of the generator and the whatever’s turning it now I’m now I’m now I’m operating as a generator at infinite efficiency and as an electric motor at infinite efficiency and then when you but the first would already be great if it doesn’t accelerate but it it it stops if if it didn’t accelerate that would be like or decelerate that would be like colossal right if it just keeps going yeah that would be like but it accelerates which is even yeah if we were so if we lived in a world that wasn’t controlled by emotional people silly people with okay then that you would know you would have known about this in 2008 when we went to MIT but there are you know so what what did it cost you I I ask you what what did it cost you it soaks up all your energy I imagine it’s your life it’s your life’s work in and there are people who are not taking you seriously so it must be hurting or it must be frustrating a while I don’t care did you lose friends or did you lose your yeah yes every friend every relationship just about yeah you lost it because of this invention no because I’m a prick because would but you wouldn’t be the prick because if you didn’t I’m a prick I’m a prick I’m a total prick my my my parents my father was a he’s deceased now but he was a chemical engineer and he didn’t like the research that I was doing and my parents said okay you know we’re going to have to disown you because you’re not a good son yeah because of this thing that’s right in front research yeah but it it happens over and over and over it happened at autoeu it happened at MIT so did your wife leave you because of this thing in front no yes and no but eventually when we got in when we when we went to MIT and we got into autu and my father chemical engineer came to the lab and I said to him I said what’s changed since since you know when I was a bad guy a bad son and you had to disown me or whatever and now I’m a good son and you’re bringing your friends to otta with you cuz you’re so proud what’s change what what happened why why did you guys change your mind and my father said well we just realized that you’re a you’re a belligerent prick and you’re not going to give up or change or whatever so we had to and that’s basically it so so and was it worth it being a being a prick like well if again if I came to you and said okay I’m only going to do this interview if you stop playing the guitar or stop singing or stop seeing your children I know you have two daughters so if if if I said that to you you would say piss off you would say there’s no way there’s just no way so people said that to you stop playing guitar stop playing with the motor this stop doing this and you won’t see your children again yeah that actually happened yeah but so when you go when you go on a journey as an inventor okay it’s not unlike a songwriter or an actor or a it requires persistence and grit and you have to commit you have to commit talk to any any inventor Steve Jobs or or or Elon Musk who sleeps at the factory if you don’t commit 100 every ounce of your energy you’re not going to succeed you have to put something of yourself in it well you you you have to the the universe requires that you commit and the level of your commitment dictates the level of your success if you commit 20% Then that’s going to be your return and you’re never going to get what you want if you commit 100% and that means you don’t get get an A you don’t have a plan b or you don’t have an extra job or you don’t do those things and you rely on the universe to bring you investors and so on and so on and you that’s the way you live then ultimately that’s how you’re rewarded but if you most people they don’t they don’t understand you know I I I was a highlevel chef and one day I went to my girlfriend and I said I’m quitting my job and I’m going to be a artist and she was like what and I I spent the next year producing my portfolio and then painting painting and uh the next year I was selling my art and doing art shows and making $10,000 a day or whatever and she was still your girlfriend or she oh yeah and then then I had an opportunity to buy a restaurant and I bought a restaurant and I almost went bankrupt after 2 and A2 years and I didn’t give up and eventually I had the restaurant for seven years and I was making lots of money but that’s the way it works are you worried that someone will will will replicate this and walk away with this somebody already has lots of people have but steal the idea and make it commercially valuable and cutting you off and famous with it while nobody has ever heard of uh T Hines well you said something interesting you said you said uh in one of your emails the omnipresent omnipresent where did that how did that come what was that about well I found you because I I just started Googling the subject of uh uh these and I found your name everywhere crazy people doesn’t want to say it no I well I stumbl upon crazy people in the in the uh comment sections um when you then there’s an article or something about it and then you go into the comments and then it well we you go down the rabbit hole but your name is turning up in yeah in so many places that you you were the go-to guy eventually eventually it’s it’s a it’s just a matter of time again when Alexander Gran Bell invented the telephone okay this is imagine he’s said hey Alexander what are you doing he said well I’m working on a thing where I’m going to pass voice down a wire a metal wire people would look look at him like he’s crazy like literally he must be crazy and in fact in he said in his Memoir he said he was terrified that they would come and put him in a in a straight jacket and take him to the insane asylum because what he was trying to do was so out there and um look and and so so he invented the telephone then he took to the telegraph guy the owner of uh Western Union or whatever it was at the time went in his office and put his telephone down on the guy’s desk and he said I want you to I want you to use my telephone and the guy laughed at him he said why would I be interested in this toy it’s just a toy and Alexander green bell walks out and he’s like okay and puts the guy out of business puts the telegraph out business so that’s the um the question was are you worried that someone will steal it and and you’re you’re saying um steal it if you want to like look you must understand how close we are to nuclear war we’re like seconds away and much of that worry or much of that anguish is energy related am I out on a limb or do you agree okay since I mentioned it Japan got involved in World War II because the United States cut off their access to oil so he’s saying even if your ideas are are being stolen then it’s for the better of the world and for the history of humankind yes but are you worried that someone will try to hurt you in any way because of this no if you guys go back even though you’re not even not not from Denmark I learned something today uh if you do your jobs and you sell the story or whatever get the story out there then once the physics are changed you can’t go back so that’s my primary thing right now is getting the physics changed getting the physics corrected the you know there’s the law of conservation of energy and there’s the law of creation of energy and they can coexist together and um when you come tomorrow tomorrow I’m I’m going to show you an electric motor that performs any magnitude of work with that much energy Zero Energy Right zero external this on steroids but if the your primary goal is to to change the laws of physics understanding already done which I’ve already done but but but to make that known to the world yes if that is your primary goal are you in contact or you’re trying to get get in contact with with people that could do that for you with with the big universities or the established resource I world yeah Quantum Leap for these people so the problem is so the problem is is that every physicist every electrical engineer every mechanical engineer every engineer that is involved in electricity or Motors or anything like that they have to go back to school yeah and they have to relearn everything which they don’t want to do and also they H the scientific Community has to admit that it up big time and it like is it’s teaching fake science in universities the student but not willingly that’s that’s where I I I not knowingly but some are I mean at autu okay Dr abash came to me and said thing I have five third-year engineering students are all going to fail and he said I want them to replicate your generator and get them to write a report and you help them write a report and so on and so on so they the five guys came they replicated the generator coil they created a generator coil that accelerated underload they wrote their report and I helped them edit it and yada yada yada they confirmed everything data and everything and they all passed okay they all right they all went to the they all got their whatever degrees and while they were working they said how come we’re not learning this in our class if and one guy said this should be part of our curriculum and I said well go talk to your professor and tell him to come for a demo that was the guy on the fourth floor or whatever whatever the two floors above me and um he wouldn’t he wouldn’t budge he wouldn’t