I recently found it for about 150usd and this is the only photo that the seller has provided. It seems like a race frame but I would love to read your thoughts on it 🙂
It looks like it is a well made frame of at least mid level. It has some mixed construction features that make it hard to date. The clamp on shifters and the bottom bracket cable guide say early to mid 70’s, but the top tube internal cable and water bottle bosses says more like early to mid 80’s. I’m going to guess it’s somewhere in-between and say late 70’s-early 80’s, but that is a guess. It could also be an earlier frame that was modified at some point.
It’s certainly worth $150. The frameset is probably worth that much, and could be worth more if it turns out to be a higher end model or from a well respected builder.
It’s hard to tell what the parts are. Probably a mixed bag of stuff, or a “parts bin build” as we say around here. If it’s all functional. it’s probably nothing to complain about.
Personally, I’d be heading over there now to buy it for $150.
Edit: I see in your new pics a Dura Ace rear derailleur and Shimano 600 crankset. All good stuff.
MechaGallade on
Definitely need more info before we can answer that question.
-close up of the badge
-always pictures drive side out, hardware helps date the bike
-this does not look like original paint, this looks like rattlecan, would need to know if that’s true
-check serial number on the bottom if you can
If the seller doesn’t provide these details to me then I’m not paying more than $70 for a mystery frame, i’d just be using it as a project frame if that’s the case; full on strip the pain and do custom paint, chop the headset to weld onto a swing bike, parts bike, that kind of thing.
fdtc_skolar on
I’m guessing it is from the mid 1980’s. It doesn’t have a cottered crank, there are mounts for two bottle cages, some of the cable is internally routed, aero brake levers and maybe dual pivot brakes. I would check to see if the drive side shifter is indexed (clicks from gear to gear rather than smooth slide). Indexed shifting happened after 1985.
If it is the right size, then $150 seems like a good deal.
tiregroove on
It’s DEFINITELY a high-quality road-racing frame. There are forged dropouts with adjusters, and the tight 40mm brake clearances. Those brakes are vintage Dia-Compe Aero Gran Compes that date to the late 1980s and they only fit on the tightest of racing bikes. (almost impossible to find replacement pads for them too.)
The sloping fork crown or the seat stays don’t reveal any clues to the builder/brand, the last chance is the bottom bracket. If the dropouts are Campy you’re very likely looking at Columbus or Reynolds tubing.
Is there rifling in the fork steerer? It’s Columbus SL. Rifling in the seatube by the bottom bracket? SLX.
This repaint is awful though. No self-respecting builder would do this.
angyts on
Sounds reasonable.
chopperbob88 on
I love the paint and the *mystery pedigree*!
Mezodonis on
Looks like Aluminum main triangle (thermal bonded), like the Raleigh “technium” from late 80’s. The repaint covered up the stickers, so test with a magnet. I had one that the rear axle broke on a rabid decent on a weird turn; snapped the dropout. Hollow axles are goofy that way. Being dumb, I junked the frame. That bike is like a cool breeze on a hot day. Hope you get it.
Amazing-Shower-8951 on
Thank you all for the thoughtful comments and recommendations! I got the bike and now I can provide good photos.
There is a serial number next to the seat post and nothing on the bottom. Fork and rear dropouts are campagnolo and the components are not that interesting 🙂
The frame used to be white and somebody destroyed it with a spray can as you said above. The total weight of the bike with all the crap like seat, bottle and etc is 10.5kg.
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I can add two pictures
https://ibb.co/9vXBSmQ
https://ibb.co/k6tycHh
It looks like it is a well made frame of at least mid level. It has some mixed construction features that make it hard to date. The clamp on shifters and the bottom bracket cable guide say early to mid 70’s, but the top tube internal cable and water bottle bosses says more like early to mid 80’s. I’m going to guess it’s somewhere in-between and say late 70’s-early 80’s, but that is a guess. It could also be an earlier frame that was modified at some point.
It’s certainly worth $150. The frameset is probably worth that much, and could be worth more if it turns out to be a higher end model or from a well respected builder.
It’s hard to tell what the parts are. Probably a mixed bag of stuff, or a “parts bin build” as we say around here. If it’s all functional. it’s probably nothing to complain about.
Personally, I’d be heading over there now to buy it for $150.
Edit: I see in your new pics a Dura Ace rear derailleur and Shimano 600 crankset. All good stuff.
Definitely need more info before we can answer that question.
-close up of the badge
-always pictures drive side out, hardware helps date the bike
-this does not look like original paint, this looks like rattlecan, would need to know if that’s true
-check serial number on the bottom if you can
If the seller doesn’t provide these details to me then I’m not paying more than $70 for a mystery frame, i’d just be using it as a project frame if that’s the case; full on strip the pain and do custom paint, chop the headset to weld onto a swing bike, parts bike, that kind of thing.
I’m guessing it is from the mid 1980’s. It doesn’t have a cottered crank, there are mounts for two bottle cages, some of the cable is internally routed, aero brake levers and maybe dual pivot brakes. I would check to see if the drive side shifter is indexed (clicks from gear to gear rather than smooth slide). Indexed shifting happened after 1985.
If it is the right size, then $150 seems like a good deal.
It’s DEFINITELY a high-quality road-racing frame. There are forged dropouts with adjusters, and the tight 40mm brake clearances. Those brakes are vintage Dia-Compe Aero Gran Compes that date to the late 1980s and they only fit on the tightest of racing bikes. (almost impossible to find replacement pads for them too.)
The sloping fork crown or the seat stays don’t reveal any clues to the builder/brand, the last chance is the bottom bracket. If the dropouts are Campy you’re very likely looking at Columbus or Reynolds tubing.
Is there rifling in the fork steerer? It’s Columbus SL. Rifling in the seatube by the bottom bracket? SLX.
This repaint is awful though. No self-respecting builder would do this.
Sounds reasonable.
I love the paint and the *mystery pedigree*!
Looks like Aluminum main triangle (thermal bonded), like the Raleigh “technium” from late 80’s. The repaint covered up the stickers, so test with a magnet. I had one that the rear axle broke on a rabid decent on a weird turn; snapped the dropout. Hollow axles are goofy that way. Being dumb, I junked the frame. That bike is like a cool breeze on a hot day. Hope you get it.
Thank you all for the thoughtful comments and recommendations! I got the bike and now I can provide good photos.
There is a serial number next to the seat post and nothing on the bottom. Fork and rear dropouts are campagnolo and the components are not that interesting 🙂
The frame used to be white and somebody destroyed it with a spray can as you said above. The total weight of the bike with all the crap like seat, bottle and etc is 10.5kg.
You can see further details on the link below:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ENmg7WAXOvC0SqPCjkbeici010_cl0Vo?usp=sharing
Hey, thank you all for your comments
I recently disassembled the frame and started preparing it for a repaint.
The bike turned out to be „Mondia“ based on serial numbers
The seat post is 26,4 size
BB is Britisch thread Suntour BC 1.37x24T, 68×118
Frame weight 2081g
Fork weight 653 g
I removed the paint from the fork and there is a matching serial number with the main frame and its labeled „Reynolds 531 Butted“ size 152
I recently recreated all the decals from the 1985-1989 models and can‘t wait to see how it will turn out
I will keep you posted with the final result!