Pete Dossett – Deathbox, Flip Skateboards, 80’s Skateboarding & Re-Issues | Brain Drain Show #26

Brain Drain Episode 26 with Forde Brookfield & Toby Batchelor 🧠
Join us for just under an hour 30 minutes of in depth British skateboarding heritage with one of the original Deathbox (now Flip Skateboards) team riders Pete Dossett!

In this episode we discuss riding for Deahbox Skateboards, the transition from Deathbox to Flip Skateboards, Jeremy Fox & Ian Deacon, legendary magazine covers, turning pro, deadly knee breaks, potential re-issues, SCUK models, potentially inventing tricks, artwork, repping for Sole Tech and much much more!

00:00 – Coming up on this episode/intro.
01:06 – Our very special guest is non other than the legendary Pete Dossett!
01:35 – Tobys favourite photo of Pete Dossett from his childhood skatepark Nebworth!
4:04 – Where is Dossett from and what parks/ramps did he skate growing up?
09:02 – What year did Pete start skating, riding BMX and picking up a skateboard…
15:23 – When did Pete first meet Jeremy Fox (Deathbox/Flip Skateboards)
20:24 – Show sponsor #1: Calm Club CBD.
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21:45 – More Deathbox hype and potential re-issues…
25:34 – How many Deathbox boards where getting made when it started and what where packages like?
29:20 – What year did Pete turn pro, what was his first Deathbox graphic and the OG Deathbox team.
33:35 – Meeting Tom Penny and Deathbox heading out to the U.S.A…
36:58 – How did Ian Deacon get involved with Flip Skateboards?
38:06 – What year did Deathbox turn into Flip Skateboards and when did the conversation start to change the companies name and direction?
41:35 – Did Pete ever entertain the idea of riding for Flip Skateboards?
43:05 – Does Pete talk to Jeremy often and some loose talks about the Deathbox re-issues!
45:55 – Who where Petes favourite Deathbox & Flip Skateboards riders?
48:19 – Show sponsor #2: Camp Rubicon.
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49:55 – The ten year wave of skateboarding popularity and Olympic skateboarding…
53:47 – How often does Pete skate and information on his knee injury.
56:05 – Did Pete invent the Mute Fastplant and who where Petes inspirations?
59:40 – Riding for Gullwing trucks, Airwalk Footwear and repping for Sole Tech.
1:03:07 – Petes pro board on SCUK, the legend of greg Nowik, being the first person to skate the Radlands vert ramp and 540’s.
1:09:36 – The madness of early Pioneer Skate Park days…
1:12:14 – What’s Pete doing now recently and his artwork of British skateboarding legends!
1:16:45 – Show sponsor #3: Rollersnakes
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1:18:00 – More artwork talk, the possibilities of a Pete Dossett art show at Rollersnakes and iconic photos…
1:23:54 – Farewell, goodbyes and credits…

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Coming up on this episode of The Brain Drain show yeah I met Jeremy he he said oh I’ve started a company called Death box and fcy being part of it kind Barry abook approached me and he he said look you was all that stuff but Jeremy sort

Of already spoke to Barry about me going on death Fox Jeremy even did teapot wheels down to might have been 39 now so reissues will be done exactly the same way as they had done originally Jeremy sort of and Deacon invited Mike Manor Pete H car came up with different

Names and then finally flip this the name definitely turned out the numbers in the thousands I remember printing flip stickers in 92 I broke it and I’ve got it repaired and I’ve got two titanium bolts in there to keep it together you can’t hear yourself when

You’re skating it CU it was so loud skateboarding never really needed the Olympics but I think the Olympics might have needed skateboarding get k hello and welcome to another great episode of The Brain Drain show Toby’s just been lubing up his lips for this one it’s one of his favorite

Skateboarders very special guest joined to our left one of Toby’s personal alltime favorites if you would like to introduce Our Guest Toby take it away Pete dosit is here hello Round of Applause in the studio audience please for Pete do I didn’t want to say you’re

You’re one of my childhood Heroes cuz I didn’t want to freak you out and be all Fanboy but like you’re shaking aren’t you no to’s like funny but I mean I mentioned to you earlier like when I first started in 88 all the mags 88 to early 90s you were

On the covers all the time Lo loads of photos in every single issue cuz it was skate action rad skateboard mag we had three British mags at that point and knew we were like heavy presence in those pretty mental fun fun time one of the best photos you might have to

Dig this out Fraser the stuff you had at newith you know where it’s like Sunset and you’re doing the Judo is it Judo air in the the end of the snake run [ __ ] yeah we were talking about that Park earlier how good it is cu that was local

To me like I grew up north har around that way okay so I skated nwth before it got knocked down but yeah see if you can find them there’s there’s a few photos there was one issue I’m sure you had the cover think it was skateboard mag I

Don’t know I’m not sure I’m not sure but do remember I skated there quite a bit Yeah but there was an issue where you had you know a good fun good load of stuff in there see if you can find it just do neb with Pete dos skateboard mag

I think it was there you go yeah Judo a boom Oh contents page that is Judo isn’t it oh August as well my birth bir birth well no I was 91 birth month that that’s at the end of the snake run I think isn’t it out that was gnarly was it had

A doorway in didn’t no it it was a a half fight but it was just no flat bottom just just like a half fight like that just just and it just went down like that out really good that’s where I learned to drop in because it was small

That you could work your way off and drop in I remember seeing that and being like holy [ __ ] like we were saying outside how imagine if a park now was built that that nworth one’s the one that you mentioned on the greenery wasn’t it the was that the one we were

Talking about with Dan Kates as well Kates yeah yeah that part looks looks unreal yeah it’s um you think it’s still that if we dug it up I think they smashed some of it up I remember there was that article wasn’t there and Dicky had some photos there yeah they put a

Car park on top of it yeah oh [ __ ] we’re not getting it back then and then they put a mini ramp on it like ego skaters have have a [ __ ] mini ramp we just cover up that I mean it was it was insane that place you used to be asked to go to

Stevenage skate there and then you could skate to nworth hilarious two concrete parks with that caliber yeah that close was just yeah oh it was crazy yeah it was amazing she she’ll jump into it yeah um where you from originally uh originally I was born in Hitchin [ __ ]

So you know the Thompson brothers right uh I’m not too sure about that John Thompson oh yeah had the ramp in his back yeah yeah of course yeah yes of course yeah yeah I went to his ramp about two or three times I think I didn’t realize you were from Hitchin

Well I was born there but then we we moved sort of further into London so we moved to like Barnet and then from then onwards sort of in mares just kind of went North stayed North and then just sort of went from there really yeah and

Come back down as as I say talking about my parents before yeah sort of Tak care of that well one of my parents so yeah um but yeah sort of like that yeah hitching that’s funny one it custom Riders sell death box to them yeah reg

And Ros a custom Riders yeah I work for them for a bit back in the day all right they gone out of business now I think G you know Mason their son yeah yeah he yeah it went out of business but he’s bought it back and I think he shares

Space with that what’s the skate shop in hitch is it TR7 or something I think it’s called TR7 he shares shop space with them now like back to how it used to be okay they were like the big BMX players back in the day yeah they R and Ros yeah cuz they lived

In Royston which is kind of where I’m from near Hitchin red one red one that’s it so yeah they share space with custom Riders now in Hitchin um not not far St n as well that’s that’s pretty new isn’t it yeah yeah all that kind of Cambridge

There it was a ramp that got built there the big vet ramp I mean oh years ago yeah yeah I don’t remember that one they built this metal thing there and it’s just I think you can actually find it online you you can’t hear hear yourself

When when you’re skating it so loud it was so loud right oh okay was that probably a rare rare unit used to make those metal Rams it wasn’t rare unit it was like a a private thing uh that this this guy Ron Smiley I think his name was

And he just built this ramp and we sced it and we like yeah yeah you’re trying your best there m yeah but it was yeah it was just um quite comical then but that was about 87 if I remember right you said that was metal yeah yeah so it

Was like the Metal Sheets going banging yeah it’s sort of it’s almost like one of the first metal maybe metal ramps in the 80s I’m not too sure they might have built them in the 70s not too sure but um yeah but as far as I remember they had that and then the

Bigger ramp that s yeah and then P King put uh his ramp there he built a ramp there yeah yeah cuz Steven had the ramp as well back in yeah yeah I’ve seen some pictures of you back in it’s a great great ramp quite quite narrow you know

What I mean but I’ve mentioned it before on here but like that was my local park okay we had like one bus from our town into Sten a week so we go Saturday mornings and it was just that vert ramp started getting ripped apart just as I was sort of like the

Wheels were getting smaller and like I wish I’d got into vert skating then because been good yeah probably a bit earlier than that 92 I think round about 91 992 the worlds just went to like almost 40 I mean jery even did teapot wheels down

To I think it’s 43 mil yeah might have been 39 mil probably the smallest and yeah I think there’s one company in the states that’s doing 39 mil cuz that small wheels Ryan that comes in he’s like a 39 mil wheel is good and I’m like no well I mean

You got context is key with that is it like if you’re skating the mega ramp with 39 M no no but I think I think you could you know you don’t need well it do really matter does it I suppose it’s uh but at the at the time yeah the

Wheels were just yeah cuz they were really they were like 63 mil and over space of two or 3 years it went right down to like 45 yeah 42 yeah and you could go through a set of wheels in like a session yeah as soon as interesting times I mean to see the

Boards literally but but kind of like all of our attitudes as well like yeah we sort of warmed to that thing of of just like yeah just have a well that’s the shape of a board you rather than oh do this that and the other yeah

What I mean it yeah it’s kind of ironic it’s G back to that now people have their own shaped boards now rather than just a popsicle shape it’s like their shape and what year did you start skating well my first actual board was about 1980 or 79 yeah it was round then

And it was just a little plastic board from portter Bella Market would you yeah yeah and just like I remember skating it but just messing about of it then um and I first went to Harrow skate Department and it was I mean it was there was a

Shop there it was clean concrete yeah it’s like a brand new thing so my dad just like yeah I can check this out got skateboard I checked it out it was amazing absolutely amazing but I didn’t go back there for another two or three years and then I went back and it was

Like it was just it was just like apocalyptic a bit you know I mean I was like whoa just a shot fence just walk in because before it was almost like a you know you pay to get leure Center kind of it’s just like and it just went from that to well that

Would have been after the first boom I guess isn’t it the late 70s early ‘ 80s boom yeah when it I guess it was when was it built Harrow skate 79 79 and runford was built in 78 and stevenage was 78 I think as well wasn’t it Ste so

That boom put all those concrete parks in that that area I mean we were quite lucky really having all that like in that in that zone but yeah it did and then obviously during the mid 80s when it kind of died off yeah it’s just so like

W but at the time I I I got a BMX where I had a bike I had a grifter R grifter and uh I remember messing about with that and um a friend of mine I got a BMX swapped it for a bmx I was still quite

Young I was only about 11 12 sort of thing and then remember going back to Haro with the burx and messing about I got into it and uh it was just hardly anybody skating it was you know and then uh an old sort of school friend of

Mine Grover H Daren Costello his name is um he got he was skating and and that was about 84 I think it was and that’s when I was and I saw him at Harrow as well and I sort of met him there and uh

He said oh yeah you want to try you want to go skating it you know did you try before I said yeah yeah years ago he said yeah but older now you know it’s like bit more Savvy sort of thing MH like yeah let’s give it a go and I was

Like this is so much better I I I don’t know you know on the bike it just felt a bit safer yeah but yeah after a couple of slams nly slams I was like that BMX is just yeah I’m guessing the second it’s just too gnarly you know what I

Mean and I couldn’t really and I’m guessing when you like you said when you went back to it to actually skate it again it wasn’t on a plastic board it would have been on a proper yeah that’s what I mean yeah so it just changed everything changed the game yeah and I

Was like oh my God it just that was it that was it it just what what you was at like mid 80s I I say about 84 right say 84 85 and then sort of ‘ 86 I started just started to get into it a bit more

Get you know like just got new pads helmet stuff like that so so you start you know start losing was there any mags around at that time uh BMX action right and they had a skate section in it in there didn’t they is that the same one

Yeah that was kind of a little bit before my time but um when did you start kind of like becoming aware of like being sponsored and skate brands and you know that and you know how did that stuff you 87 yeah about 87 um is that when you met Jeremy Fox

First or did you get any sponsors pre death I sort of I went to um a vert comp in Swansea yeah the morph ramp yeah yeah and uh it was a name B group comp and I just I went down for the B group um it was amazing weekend plenty of

Drinks and meeting new people sort of thing I was like I don’t got remember seeing him at Crystal Palace so by then I sort of gone to Crystal Palace gone to Rumford quite a lot got the Harrow um there was there was vert ramps that were built in Hartford actually yeah um the

One in the woods was that where that’s where that’s where yeah that’s by Dave Valen that was and then Dave obvious built this other one um in Bur H that’s it little bur H I think it’s called so skated there quite a bit so um but yeah just it yeah as as

I say in SW Swansea um Christ it was uh yeah just entered the B group got into it I’m not sure if I won it or Arn Davis won it I’m not sure for a long time but yeah I Barry Brook approached me I’ve seen him skate unbelievable at the time still now

Obviously was Danny Webster around then as well yeah Danny Webster yeah yeah he was going off he went out to the states I saw him in a a vision video I think he was in on like doing a run on the ramp sort of thing in a comp yeah um can’t might have

Been Chicago blowout competition I met him at Leon C once he sold me some new deal turbine Wheels they had like proper aluminium cores in them oh right and like I remember getting them and it’s just like these wheels are far too big for what I want to do I’ll have them cuz

They’re like five quid or something they were crazy looking wheels back in the day um when did you first meet Jeremy Fox in well not well it must have been a about it was the same year so it was 87 um yeah I met Jeremy the same year and then he he said

Oh Uncle I’ve started a company called Death box yeah Fant being part of it kind of thing such a good name as well and it death box as I say at the time I was Barry abook approached me and he he said look you know want some zorak stuff and he

Just kind of just tring to help me out and I was I was stoked and all that um and it was but Jeremy sort of already spoke to Barry about about me going on death Fox so so it was kind of like that and then just yeah from then onwards

Um yeah just here go Here There and Everywhere and get involved yeah yeah he was on death box at the time when he approached you had he was he just approaching ing people saying I’m starting a company or did he already have like one or two he already solid

Foundations on the company well he already have worel and Mac uh got his board Avenue the wor I got the worel board yeah that’s what I was saying about earlier that’s that was my first proper Pro board which ironically I email I ordered from roller snakes mail order in

1988 and I managed to get it’s not exactly the same stain the one I had was a black stain yeah but I’ve got one with like a kind of teal stain teal dark green I mean it’s it’s used but that’s my kind of light that I’m never getting

Rid of that like that is you’re still giving it to me though you said get [ __ ] you’re not even know that’s the only one I’m like but I mean like everyone that I sked with in the late 80s everyone had death box boards you know like where it was like the worle

Boards or like the ubo concave dosset and is that with a tail that was It was kind of weird when it it was like what’s this I mean we’ll go back to you know meeting Jeremy that but how did the ubo concave come about because that was

Something else it is that where the tales concaved itself it’s VTO yeah I saw goboard a couple of months ago someone shot with that and I was like what the [ __ ] hell this so the boards were just we like it so weird but and back then you’d have a board for like a

Year you know and you’d ride them down to like there was no tail and it just that was a bizarre feature I was like what you doing that far well yeah we just want to try it give it a go kind that’s what he said I was like

Yeah yeah so I remember putting grip tape in in the Gap though yeah what to fill it out Sean did that yeah um yeah yeah so you spoke to Jeremy and he was he was putting together the original death box well that’s that’s been his sort of thing what did Jeremy do before

Death box uh is he was um working for Ford engineering doing the indicators on Ford Transit right that’s what he was doing and he just for last thing [ __ ] this and then he started working for brandex yeah and he did some screen printing for brandex

So he got he got he got a feel of different a bit of knowledge before jumping into making a company at CU yeah I mean yeah Sean G was on brandex Point that’s right so he left Brand X to go to death box or did Brand X go I’m not sure

How that that talles maybe ask him if he yeah I think there yeah we’re trying to we’re trying to get Sean Sean goth yeah I know you’re watching these cuz I see your comments on YouTube get on the show we got some stuff to talk about

With the first ever skate shop I went into phase seven or when it was e Joe’s it just had e Joe’s on the sign outside I remember going in there the first board I saw that kind of took my eyes took my fancy was the Shan go little

Babies board and they’ve reissued them now haven’t they and the guys at brandex emailed me the other week and they like Joan any and was like I kind of do nostalgic reasons personally but are they on OG shapes I think they are yeah they look oh yeah they look like they

Did it’s always worth getting them but reissues now they’re like how how much are they going to retail 100 and something qu they always by by the time you ship them in with import Duty and tax and stuff they’re ro expensive they’re not cheap but then you

Know the type of people who are going to be buying them it’s kind of our age isn’t it that remember them back in the day it’s not going to be or you know maybe Shan or or or Brian here you know kids who are really into that area I

Want to start getting limited reissue boards in and skating them to annoy people you know like how are you skating yeah how are you skating that but yeah wait hold on a sec we need to talk about who’s sponsoring this episode of the podcast who is it this week Ford it is

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Other companies are doing there they’re sort of they’re doing their reissues but for death Fox who wanted do it because obviously jerem’s in America yeah um he wants to do the reissues how they would done and get the original word from the original supplier

Yeah and and do it all here by hand yeah you as well included how how it was done yeah cuz you guys did the screening didn’t you with the boards so the boards would be JY pretty much did nearly every board yeah because he just couldn’t rely

On anybody to yeah if you want if you want done properly it’s not in fact sorry not rely it’s more trust it’s it’s because you wreck one board okay you w two okay your mes a wreck them all you know I mean if you can’t screen print

Correctly well he knows exactly how he wants it done so he he wants to be there and do it himself yeah yeah yeah yeah so the whole I mean most of the time I was there you know helping him and stuff so that was in Welling bro right yeah yeah

See um on Run’s n Club he talks about it when he used come over yeah and room come over yeah and you guys would be screening the boards and then you take them to the shops sell them in the evening and get I did a load of stickers

And yeah um got somebody else to do t-shirts got somebody else to do bits like that but the boards were his like that’s like no we’ve got to do it so reissues would be done exactly the same way as they were done originally I mean you you’re obviously aware of the the

Amount of interest that they would it would get yeah of course on scuk that you know whenever it comes up I mean those guys would lose their minds people would lose their [ __ ] I mean I I would have every single one of them for a

Start I mean pretty much I same a you know like yeah I mean the graphics were something else back in the day it was too short of time it’s just it was the window was too short it’s a shame it’s a shame we didn’t have enough time and and

You know people like roller snakes helped Jeremy out at the time you know yeah like I said you in way here like we were one of the first shops sters of death box back we stuck it again oh [ __ ] love to you know we were we were

Saying we were saying outside that the death box Graphics how they all like mad circusy kind of like real colorful bubbly real artistic graphics people Tred to copy that now but the death box ones are amazing they were really intricate to screen print those boards must have been a lot of col

A lot of color I mean is my I don’t think my board’s here but we had it Knocking around you can see the amount of most like work that’s gone into getting that lined up and that I always remember like I saying like when I got

My board in the post from roller snakes remember getting it like you know like first prob board and there was like a smudge on the ink and I was like [ __ ] so upset really yeah but you look at it now and it’s like we were we were talk I

Don’t can’t remember who we were talking to still still at love and skate screen printed boards now people are prepared for there to be slight imp smudges and Imperfections because it’s made by a person yeah and like still at L and skate I’m sure you know some of the Love

Like Love and skate stuff like you screen print a board when you get it compared to a heat transfer you look at it and you’re like wow like you can see all the separate lines where it’s masked and yeah just means a bit more doesn’t

It so get Don brider to make all the stickers has to be included in it somewhere done with his big Fringe um yeah back when you were doing the screen printing of the boards what was the circulation like from what you remember like how many boards were getting

Made well there was a period where I wasn’t there when Jer Jeremy was doing the boards Etc and that was like he definitely turned out the numbers in the thousands that’s for sure but over it took must well it definitely took a long time do you know what I mean

Yeah to get that all going um but as I say he couldn’t he couldn’t trust he got somebody in this guy Scott it’s American dude he he just sort of he ended up stealing loads of gear and all the rest of it so yeah yeah um and how many boards were

You getting as a rider for death box was it just whenever you needed a board you yeah just kind of like that it was never a case of uh is a box of 20 keep going no it was more about just trying to use as less as possible with anything do you

Know what I mean I think it makes more sense to get a board if you need one rather than expect five boards a month because yeah you don’t go some people don’t go through five five boards a month it was quite different then though you sort of they lasted longer for a

Star they lasted longer but it was like it just I don’t know um they just uh just respect for it I don’t know you know what I me well you were there seeing it how long the process was and the cost involved to get aboard there yeah from America then

Scream printed then sent to the shop so you’re like appreciative of that process and not taking a piss of it yeah I always remember getting um death box worldly Birds the wheels for Christmas being well stoked on that yeah graphics on those were sick as well there’s still

Quite a lot of those knocking about you see them popping up quite often but doos and worly birds they were they were chunky Wheels aren’t they I think 63 mil Doos were the bigger ones weren’t they and then worly birs were slightly smaller but still they were like 58 or

Maybe even more I don’t know yeah but I mean you know for somebody you know like I was really into it that stage it was like death box or Santa Cruz or Pal which was way more expensive so we were doing this the other day I can’t remember if I asked

You about it but you could buy a death box board for 40 quid right back in the late 80s and that equates to I think is with um inflation it’s about 220 quid in today’s money right yeah cuz Mike asked me and I said oh 120 yeah but no 200

Plus that’s how much like things are now it’s mad so people were moaning that boards are going up from like 65 to 85 but they should have been going up for a long long time it’s only in the last couple years it’s gone up yeah so that

Just goes to show that the the skateboard industry yeah keeps it real rather than the corrupt industry there you go outside yeah you know that that’s how it’s always been you’ll always find your next skateboard or next year will be the next person will be the next better person without sounding too much

Of a an assist you know what I mean yeah you get you get more of a thing going on with a skater rather than a just a normal kind rather than just the skate being a prod ofand I tend to find that most skateboarders yeah they like to do a lot

Of things you know I me especially well myself i’ I’ve been painting skateboarders for the past five years now so yeah yeah we’ll come back to that in a bit because that’s really interesting what you were showing me um just while we’re on the death box thing

What year did you turn pro and what was your F first graphic it was 89 and it was the punch graphic uh the Cherub graphic it was a cherub graphic of J [ __ ] know that board is good it was and that shape on there because it had

Quite a defined kind of like yeah we’ve done a notch nose on it right okay so you designed that shape as well yeah we kind of like it it was just literally just again experimental mess but messing about really really cuz um yeah it was yeah quite a strange one because after

That it was only around for months that shape if I remember right and then it just then you had another one yeah but it was just just sort of a a just kind of like a I think it n and A4 size W but pretty sort of standard kind of shape if

You know yeah that graphic SI can you Google that I just want to show if we can get it on screen you still got one the Cherub one I haven’t got I’ve got the P I’ve got the first original p yeah there’s got to be someone in a skateboarding collecting group that has

One somewhere but they want a grand oh I mean yeah grand for it want more thir one in were you getting paid royalties on the boards being sold yeah I mean yeah we made some money it wasn’t like you know you know you’re not going to going

To retire kind of but it is all about the travel the fun the madness demos getting in the van yeah so who was in the van then when that all started everyone pretty much everyone got in that that Transit van Jeremy got his Transit van he was all stoked with and

Uh just toured as many places as we could you know what I mean picked up people on the way mhm CU there’s a few European riders in there Yer Elson yeah uh who else who is it Mark vaner ring yeah Mark vaner ring obviously and who else was there Europe nordine that’s it

B yeah um cuz it was a real kind of although it was UK brand it was had a real heavy European you know to Euro’s well into it and obviously R was in in the van yeah yeah and Andy Scott as well yeah Scotty was going mental he starting to get

Going mental around about 89 yeah he only ever had to buy one board didn’t he cuz he got sponsored so young yeah that’s [ __ ] insane who that Andy Scott that show you what [ __ ] Andy Scott bought one ball before he got sponsored we need to get Andy Scott on as well

Really good but yeah Jeremy Jeremy’s always had like a good eye for like the European dudes as well we were saying on an earlier podcast when it went to flip and that first video came out the fact that it was all British and European dudes that’s what you talking about flip

Sorry oh yeah yeah mean that’s a lot later on yeah I know but we were saying on a podcast weren’t we like the fact that he got so many good British Europeans to dominate an American Market at that time yeah how what was the um cuz you guys would go to Monster and

Stuff wouldn’t you yeah what was the reaction from the Americans at that point about anyone outside of America being a it was a heavy British team yeah they they sensed all what was going on but but they they’re loving it you know most of them were just like I don’t know just

Uh yeah the way the Americans and Europeans were again with death box yeah absolutely fine you know it just they obviously could see something was something growing you know what I mean something was bubbling away yeah you know and then obviously not long after

Me I sort of cuz I I busted my knee obviously Rune was going going ballistic Andy going ballistic as well run AKA one of the politest nicest skateboarders you’ll ever be around and sort of at that point that’s when around 93 that’s when Jeremy went to the states man to get Tom out

There um when did you first meet Tom what was your first kind of impression this his we we love pen story on I think it was at Oxford on the little ramp yeah SK with him there yeah is it who the [ __ ] is this this is good [ __ ] like what

What am I watching like even on Haslam’s episode he was like oh Penny like just every skateboarder talk about all the time it’s so hard to put into perspective and context how mind blowing Penny was when he came on the scene to you can’t compare it to anything really these days

Cuz it’s yeah no one’s had that effect yeah he just he was amazing he come he travel out to Germany with us and uh and it would be like like just you got any Dobie just because a few times we did get stopped on the way back you know cuz

We’re coming back and Tom with Mar to pick up a bit of flavor on the way back or something or W he’s there or however whatever and um but the whole time he was was super mow and just you know and now he started building up just by about

95 yeah I he was going absolutely mental did you um so they went out to America 94 is wasn’t it was the end of 9394 93 the end of 93 Jeremy got out there and then as I say I was going to go I just

Busted my left KN so that that got in the way out there yeah I was you know did you I ended up going out there a few years later stayed to Germany met everyone else out there sort of thing half of the team sort of thing again

What was and some of the new team that what was the main reasoning for him going out to the States was it to take take over was it to take his company like did he out there just to visit and see like what was going on and then you

Were like I’m going to take Flip or did you go with the intention real the real i’ say with the intention because could I think maybe today you could probably come to England and and um you know get it going sort of here but I reckon there it’s you had to be in

America you have to be you had to be there to to make it you know to make it solid and and yeah to sort of have the kind of logistical back end of it as well yeah because that that’s that’s something that J was sort of on about as

Well in England yeah your shipping and all that kind like you say logistic and the market here is like so small that you’re only going to stay floating at a level where as America you’ve got the option to go more American and worldwide after that see I didn’t realize until I

Listened to run on nine Club but Haw and peinda they they helped out Jeremy didn’t they when it moved out and went into that’s they they were B basically the the hook up with the distribution and getting it out there yeah so I mean Tony or just shows again what a massive

OG yeah Jeremy went straight in the bird house yeah just you know and uh you know Tony obviously must have seen oh yeah knows what he’s doing yeah he knew something was going on yeah he’s got he knows what he’s doing doesn’t um where where did um Ian Deacon come

Into all this because he was doing bash for a time wasn’t he through death box and then well then the the dbox and Bash sort of bit of a sort of basically use the flip name that’s it and yeah just go with that and um Deon obviously takes care of the team

Yeah has done the whole time yeah yeah cuz he’s back in in the UK now did you say I heard he lifting Hastings yeah yeah cuz he he’s Keen to come on the show at some point yeah I love to get him on I mean yeah got a lot of questions for Deacon

Oh god I’ve never met him but I’d love to sit down and Grill him about stuff and have a good chat with him yeah but he’s funny Deon because he’s like one of those everyone knows who he is and you always see him at any cont any like

Video of a comp competition Deacon in the background watching over everything keeping an eye on it like any new people coming out he’s Bird’s are one of the the dark Lords of skateboarding so um we’re don’t talk about now so what year did Death box properly change to flip

And make that transition 93 94 isn’t it I think yeah pretty much but I remember printing flip stickers in 92 right so it was on the on the cards where you know just trying to make them yeah and where did the conversation start about changing its name and it Direction like

Going from Death box to flip well Jeremy sort of and Deon and half of the team um sort of basically just thought about came up with different names I think I think if I remember rightly Mike meni Pete helar um there a few other people that

Were sort of invited to sort of here and check it out if I remember right yeah vaguely sort of remember it and then finally yeah flip is the name sort of thing cuz there was early flip ads in [ __ ] H system magazine that’s night four that I that maybe might be

Nights3 that’s what I mean I think it’s 93 as I say the end of 92 I remember printing flip stickers yeah before it took it’s like a an F like that yeah it’s really simple sort of thing and like but I knew it was right I was like

It’s all of us you know it’s really weird the name that works isn’t it like it worked yeah but I mean [ __ ] know when he went to America went mental didn’t it yeah yeah Tom just just you know shut down a lot of places yeah yeah

It yeah who was it oh yeah I remember Dicky coming back from California and he just bought back bags and bags of TS old et’s oh okay like bin liners full of them and he had like bin liners full of Wheels like 50 mil white Wheels he’s

Like yeah Jeremy gave me these to sell and like just we a Pioneer we’d be at Pioneer and he’d just be like P I can’t remember the size of the shoes but if you’re that size you’ve got from Tom Penny’s feet was it on Run’s nine Club where he talks about penny at

The what what Gap was it that he switched FR side he says like he went there and like in true Penny fashion he was it’s not that it’s not that bad no fil photographer yeah and then he went back and did it third go and he did that

It just shows what level we we go in circles talking about Penny but like you look at all the old E’s footage and stuff like that everything he’s doing over that handrail down the kind of like Alleyway in the School wasn’t he on mushrooms in as well like when he does

The switch flip and oh I’m not sure switch front side flip I’ve heard that like high mushrooms good well that’s the thing with pony everyone’s heard something and that’s why he like he’s like mythical Legend isn’t he he’s just you know he’s been in a music video recently he found it on his

Instagram he’s he’s like he’s like be like water that’s brutally and he’s in like this Spanish rap video and he’s got like glasses on a cap yeah no I’ve got it I’ve got it on my phone how did you find it was it on I went on his I went

On his tagged on his tagged um oh good luck to him but when it when it um when it went out to the States you said you visited was there anything there few years later was there anything there like you were going to ride for it or

Did you entertain oh absolutely no way no no no I was quite happy I’m I’m not like I don’t know just I think I I was quite happy with what happened with death box and that and that’s it you know yeah you definitely made your mark

Like I can remember saying to Jeremy you know like you know sort of I don’t I don’t need s of a pro board sort of thing it was a time I think the last board he done was um uh a Fantastic Four character with the robbery arms thing and uh he made that

And sold a few of them and and stuff and but he just wanted to do it I think he just he just loves to create a kind of almost like a character for that person yeah but as I say after that point I was like well you know just

I don’t you know give somebody else the opportunity to have a pro he said that earlier yeah know what I mean like and um which is quite a humble thing to do because I wish I wish more Pros KS would do that like I mean you just you your

Times let have a little window of a few board s yeah all that’s cool it’s not you know don’t capitalize so do you speak to Jeremy quite often oh about a month ago spoke to next time he speak to Jeremy just mentioned that roller snakes is 40 years

Old next year you know as the 40th anniversary roller snakes is 40 and also here’s all the Death box re shoes that everyone’s been [ __ ] losing their [ __ ] about trying to get for the last I have said I’ve mentioned it to him every time I’ve spoken to him I so you do

Realize that getting messages on Instagram I see it all the time Texas and on the skate park the first thing had to come up to me oh and once you realize who I am and then they go I reissues and yeah the conversation just is constant it’s

Constant I bet it has been as well for years isn’t it yeah people want to see those boards like you know there’s one guy on scuk I can’t remember his name I think it’s Daman some he’s got a lot of death box boards OG ones seems to trade

Them quite frequently as well into Europe and stuff but he’s got a good good selection I’m assuming Jeremy’s probably got copies of the shape he got one of each yeah so he knows you know can get the exact same mold again use all the same colors [ __ ] I’d lose my

Mind he’s already losing his mind no I would have one of everything and you know and if they came in multiple stains I’d have to have one of every stain just to put on the wall in in a dark room and go in there and just sit there going I

Came AC I don’t I don’t know where I came across it I mentioned [ __ ] Dum rder earlier but there’s a video of him like doing a lean to tail on a on a ramp and then he slides out and there’s the teapot on the bottom of the ramp and

He’s hitting it and he’s going death box and he’s like praying to it like and everyone’s like the everyone’s going nuts over it well painted that’s how hyped people are over it Jed well painted a massive zot it’s amazing from so we were last talking about when he

Went out to the states and if you wanted to be involved in it and you you said you were happy about that you just took it there and it’s been smashing it yeah I’m I was just a team skater I wasn’t I wasn’t like a a I’m not director I’m not

Involved I’m not involved anyway but German Germany would say well yeah you are but but only for skating yeah but that’s only just for skating I’m not but that’s the business or nothing but that’s a testament that yeah to Jeremy like all these years you’ll talk to him

Over the phone he could have went to the states and forgot everyone back home like some people would but the fact that he’s gone and he like he talks to everyone he rad yeah it’s important it’s amazing yeah he’s um he’s kept in touch with absolutely everybody and um that’s

Good yeah he’s done a he’s done a lot of good out in America and across the globe you know skaing who were some of your favorite death box Riders and favorite flip riders I know they’ve had a good team but there’s got to be like a pical I

Mean everyone might say Tom peny you’re not allow to say Tom Penny yeah but like when you’re riding for death box who was it in the van that you were like they’re [ __ ] good Ryan Monahan I used to I thought he was rad man Ryan Monahan I

Don’t know if you know I know the name yeah yeah he’s he’s a guy from New York I think um and he he came over ended up helping Jeremy and everyone did as soon as they came over he he he was a good laugh but he he could skate really well just float

Around I mean did he turn pro yeah done done a really cool board for him oh my God a Malcolm X board just some big X like that I remember it now yeah yeah yeah amazing yeah I bet I did all right that one didn’t it well he generally

Sold boards but you’re not talking like telephone numbers or anything yeah yeah I guess they that’ll pay that bill yeah that’s kind of that’s the impression I get cred cards that don’t work yeah was it all like that it was like oh we sold some boards so now we can get something

Yeah rent’s covered yeah we we use the fruit machine to try and pay for the lunch that’s for real though that is for Real it’s hilarious how how how sort of financi low the business went but it still had its Spirit like everyone was still don’t worry about that was still kill

Ourselves sort of thing yeah it’s just it’s still I think it’s still the same for most you people when they they get into skating MH just they just love it yeah yeah you got yeah no matter how good or what it do matter does it really

It’s just all the moment you step step your foot on it you’re like well oh here we go yeah that’s it yeah I mean yeah that’s scary it’s good laugh um who’s your sorry skateboard just a good laugh real really well a lot people take it too seriously these days know there’s a

Lot of Gatekeepers out there but you got to remember at the end of the day essentially is a wooden toy and you got to take it for that yeah wait hold on a sec we need to talk about who’s sponsoring this episode of the podcast the podcast that you are enjoying

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Letters I never knew that anyway are you on email back to the show are you on email you simply have to be these days don’t you back to the show last time I was sort of repping or anything like that it’s about 10 years ago and I don’t know how if there’s more

Skate shops now do you know what I mean I don’t know I think there probably less oh probably less there’s not many I think I think like 10 years ago there was a peak in skate shops yeah maybe but a lot went where the like recession

Times I think so struggled so there is still that wave then there like a 10 year wave of kind of I mean a lot of a lot of people got the wave with covid this time because were at home and had time for the first time in a long time

People had time around to do things they wanted to do as [ __ ] as it was saved a lot of stuff for skateboarding because everyone started doing it some people stuck to it and then you’ve got skateboarding in the Olympics as well yeah which I I don’t know whether that’s

Actually anyone gives a [ __ ] about that like but you know it’s not like we sold loads of Sky Brown BS we probably sold as many as would do if she wasn’t any of them picks I don’t think it’s directly related never really needed the Olympics but I think the Olympics might needed

Skateboarding yeah yeah that’s usually the quote it I think that’s how it went that’s been the quote of a lot of skating like they we don’t need them they need us yeah but skate skating’s always an up and down wave and it with like shops and your company’s doing well good in

January and then by December that year it can just be like oh yeah it’s it’s up and down I mean it’s got to be [ __ ] hard running a skate shop now oh that’s what I mean like for Paul to run roll with snakes the way it is and where he’s

Got to today I mean yeah it’s really good I mean Paul’s always been really good at putting things back like paying Riders putting all that stuff we showed you outside that’s all because of you know we did all right during Co so there was a bit of money to helping out with

The helping the local scene funding this I mean this is cost way more money than we thought it was going to man hours and Paul Paul’s put a lot of money into skateboarding oh yeah and to build not only an indoor ramp an indoor skate park and

Outdoor like no one gets charged to use yeah it’s all free to use when you you’ll still get some people that are like [ __ ] but it’s like they can get [ __ ] don’t care I don’t really care I mean you see got to love it you see the

Stuff pop up on the internet you know people talking [ __ ] but I don’t care everyone gets [ __ ] spoke about everything I just don’t care anymore yeah it doesn’t matter yeah if you want to sit there and talk [ __ ] could see I still find it rad though like I’m

I’m going to be as I say I’m going to be 54 uh this year yeah it’s uh and I still I still have the same vibe in my head about skateboarding yeah same was years ago another laugh yeah but you see all the you see so many people actually just

Doing it like try oh I want to learn the skateboard okay it’s really like it’s so many people people just want random people I’m in my 30s I’m in my 40s I’m I’m 12 or what you know and I was teaching people and kids at skate in

Cater them and some of them are like five and six yeah we have skate school here we’ve we’ve had kids four years old we’ve had a guy who is partially blind in his early 40s god wow we’ve got people who are like I just want to check

It out just yeah you know they’re coming to it late yeah no but it doesn’t matter does it what like skate sort of the all encompassing yeah should be all welcoming activity it’s more about the feeling not what you’re doing do you know what I mean yeah you stand on the

Board and just start going around and then carving yeah little grind a little olly or whatever well are you how often are you skating at the minute uh I try to once a week yeah it’s a very when was the last time you paded up

On a ver oh God uh last year I think it was actually yeah it was last year where was that at Greg’s ramp no did you go to yeah I go GRE I remember seeing you there yeah yeah it’s I just I don’t know

I need I spend time on a v ramp sort of I think I prefer just cruising about and small ramps and balls and whatever but I’ll have a go if if I can if my knee will let me yeah so what is what is with your knee then you [ __ ]

It early ‘ 90s never got it looked no I broke it and I’ve got it repaired and I’ve got two titanium bolts in there to keep it together and it’s still gives you [ __ ] still baggy I could got um doctor said you get over 50 might you

Might might slow down a bit it’s exactly it’s just like this morning on the way here I got out of bed I was like oh it’s hurting now but I got out of bed and was like no that’s it’s hurting now cuz that’s your know podcast’s KN it’s

Not skating podcast KN well anyway so um yeah so just yeah it’s what can I do yeah age you know I mean Sean Sean goof he’s he’s what must be 58 he’s about 270 something years old isn’t he and he’s he’s done his shoulder and all sorts ofu

Yeah he’s battered and you know he still cruises about blood isn’t it it’s you always can’t stop you just you know I’ve seen him in pain and he’s like I got I just want to I just got to do this yeah i’ I’ve seen many people in pain but there’re

Still there still shelv it Escape it’s that thing Ain it of like you know you can do it it’s in your mind that you can do it but like the longer you’re alive the more your body doesn’t permit you to can we just do it go back

To um I I always remember reading in one of the mags that you invented the mute fast plant oh I don’t think is that right I don’t think did you read that I remember doing them but you’re one of the first people to do them in the UK

Maybe oh maybe I would just remember seeing it in the mags cuz you were always good at Japans cuz you had that flex and master of contortion tuck knee inverts all that kind of [ __ ] you had the Bendy legs going on didn’t you but were were there

Any tricks that you did invent back then the there was a few things I wouldn’t say invent I’d say sort of maybe develop I don’t know but um a a body veral but 360 body varal so you sort of you do a Cav you do a cavaleri and then sort of like halfway

In between you can either grab the ball I can’t remember that you that’s it you grab it mute and then put it backside so I remember learning that that was that was kind of mellow sort of thing and then I remember learning it with the other hand

Indie and it took me a while to do cuz it’s really weird but I’ve seen people do it now like holding a beer like whilst they’re doing it the kids these days but yeah I mean but at the time I remember doing the 360 body B like that

So I’ve never seen anyone do it didn’t see Tony H do or uh Jeff Phillips or yeah you know back in them days cuz I I was doing that around about 88 89 so I say yeah um who are your Inspirations around that time oh pretty much everybody that skated you know yeah

I saw I saw obviously Tony or Mark Gonzalez um Jeff Phillips Jeff Philips Neil blender [ __ ] know we’re rest of the Power Team Lance big fan of Neil Neil blender weer big fan of Neil blender he popped up on someone’s Instagram story the other day he was at some premere and he

Doesn’t look like his age at all I think he might be an alien like sorry I looked up to all all them you know the big American dudes basically yeah it was just and Jeff Gro my God yeah I remember standing next to I was like it was just so fun just looked

Looked at him just laughing at each other yeah massive like but yeah um but yeah amazing just skate with him Jason Jesse I was watching Jason Jess’s Consolidated Kings of promotion part yesterday to that dvo song the first line that he does his airs are [ __ ] massive oh yeah like

Insane he just does Great Stuff styled FR side dos and just yeah half of it is all kind of regular stuff a backside there a front side there but it’s just the way it’s the way it’s done certain people do things it’s like oh yeah it’s all about it’s it’s I mean like

Christian the he does stuff or Steve cavalero or yeah style matters you know like lesser cine I remember have one of my first boards was L for side board yeah was that when it tracker was it a Tracker board didn’t tracker to come out with boards around that time yeah I

Think so he was on tracker trucks though wasn’t he just saying tracker lot track yeah I got on tracker they gave I was going to ask you about your other sponsors back in the day you on going going was that a direct hookup from St yeah was that something Jeremy out yeah

They only lasted like a few months or something was that the Magnesium yeah what were they grind down magnesium Su they gave him a fancy name didn’t they they were expensive big chunky plastic Bas I’ve I’ve got some of them yeah did you get sent loads of them when they

Came over no just like a couple of sets and and uh but the give must like 30 or 40 quid or something like that each month I was like w yeah I think I wasn’t in it to try and win it but I remember Jeremy being like Oh you Iz much can you

Need to yeah yeah exactly do this at hour I was like well we were Air Walk as well at some point yeah yeah got something going on there which was 540 fits with the lace covers yeah oh yeah those I’ve got a pair of them brand new pair of those don’t touch them

They’re probably disintegrate now they’re no well they’re still as new as they are yeah but lot the rubber like um degrades now well the glue dries isn’t it and it like so yeah you up and it’ll go like sand in your fingers wasn’t it there was I saw a video of Ellington

Going through some of his America Pro shoes and gets them out of the box and just twists them and they just turned to dust did you see the video Don Brown Put up of all the old s andica um America shoes in the must be the soul Tech

Warehouse and he had like crates full of it going to be I mean long and he kept opening them and some of the souls were like crusted off and he said he’s reissuing a bunch of them but um after death box and when that changed to flip

Did you ride for anyone else board company wise did you no nothing I I just any hookups or no it was just I literally just um uh don Brown and Legend Don Brown yeah and the A4 crowd they sort of said oh like Darren and and um Allan said oh

Do you want to do some wrapping now I was like yeah cuz my leg was still trying to figure out what was going on with it and this is when it was in Warrington A4 yeah yeah so I just I ended up repping with them UK and Europe

Yeah that was it started repping for them and um yeah it was just good good little thing just yeah did you move up to Warrington for that job or no I was already there I was already there yeah it it’s just like um yeah it was good

How was The Ripping game for you yeah it was good fun yeah I couldn’t do it now it’s just to two a lot of miles right yeah I’m not yeah I don’t like traveling so much I always remember speaking to Seb how fun was when when Doss comes to

Town he skates in drops his bag of samples and says see you later I’m going down Dev green we were talking about Dev green earlier how that is still a park that’s built like a an early 2000s demo Park where banks are like this but I was yeah

I was there on Sunday that’s a scary Park and it’s [ __ ] rotting oh it was as well rotting apart it needs oh just a touchup like the cracks are like big enough to kill you oh okay no absolutely big enough to kill you should we talk

About um scuk and the boards you you’ve had out yeah that so for anyone who doesn’t know SC UK skateboard collectors UK on Facebook yeah because uh I have my uh mixed emotions about that Facebook group after I got kicked out once for asking much a board is worth but I’m

Back in there now I managed to sneak back in so who’s the winner now I’m might I might I might try it um it’s I mean look I think I got kicked out cu they did a raffle and a full length video I made bought on DVD was

Part of the raffle and I put yeah I I’ll put two quid down on this raffle and and won it and they were like you’ve won and I was like I put oh like I was only joking I made that video I have 200 sat in the Box bang straight the way that’s

It I was gone I was kicked I get it there’s a lot of uh people in their sort of the time of their lives where they don’t want to take [ __ ] from anyone I get that I’m the same but it’s quite funny but so any they do reissue BS it’s

Graham Hill isn’t it yeah good graphics to give them that for it wasn’t a a reissue graphic it was just like a mashup Mash Up R isue if you like of two Graphics yeah of two graphics and um yeah it’s pretty cool it kind of worked

Heo he he contacted me and I was like yeah if if you want to do something because death box ain’t happening but at the moment so um you’ve got room to do it if you want to fine yeah so there Lucen Hendrick had a board out on there

As well he said Lucen and Dave Allen had a board and I think Greg Nock might yeah remember Nock [ __ ] know we need to get Greg Nock on here talking about get on to him why have we not got old of is God I hate that word but he is he

Incredible leg talking about Greg nowick when you saying about his vert ramp I’m sure I heard that he built a vert ramp just because he wanted to learn how to skate ver but he but you watch him skate and he’s not slowing down oh no like he

Skates fast flips in and flips out of [ __ ] he’s still got the quickest feet isn’t he like oh he’s insane just unbelievable he can do lots of tricks he needed to be on something big man he’s so good when I see footage of him I don’t expect what’s going to happen and

Then it happens and I’m like oh okay and you he looks tall as well like Dude Looks tall and he can he can grab boards one thing that’s just coming to my mind I I want to talk about quickly when radlands first opened there was the footage of you there on the

First ver sessions yeah with r that’s right was it it was in one of the roller snakes video logs I can’t remember which one it was the F the first one it might yeah video log one might be that one that’s it yeah a off the sh but that

Veram looks so pristine oh Tim pay had come over sorry just built it and we just come back from Hamburg in North Germany we were all a bit Dazed and Confused but we woke up the moment we saw saw the scate of oh my God cuz was

Jeremy still based in Welling at that point yeah yeah so it was basically next door to you is it like you’ve got an Indo ramp CL pretty close yeah so there a lot an awful lot every other day really So within within that edit there’s you doing a 540 yeah but it

Looks like you don’t ride it out the cuts too quick but you must have done fives right no that’s I think that might have been ruined was it yeah sure no I I’ve done yeah yeah I was sure it was you it’s like I remember different check

It out we’ll cut this out you no can s but because whilst we’re talking about 540s who’s the first person you’ve seen Doan because there’s a bit of controversy between was it Ali or was it Shawn that did the first 540 in the UK cuz a lot of people say allly and then

People say Shawn well I I’ve got a photo of me doing a 540 of ronford in 1986 I think it is [ __ ] hell so we might all be wrong it might be Pete does it but I I I Slug it was a Crouch landing on that

But I still made it but landing still a landing did have there but he had no no coping I don’t know how I made it I don’t know and the photo I don’t I don’t know if I got a photo with me but I’ll I’ll find it and I’ll send it to you

Yeah we like this sort of stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I’m sure I posted it on Instagram so do you remember having sessions with Sean doing fives learning fives going through that process uh not really so you just went out and did it occasionally just occasionally I’d make

A a couple that day or something like that or maybe one that day or or something but it weren’t like I I wouldn’t session it yeah I’d rather just skate like just yeah yeah cuz it I don’t know nowadays just seems to be really like

Kind of regular to do a 540 go to trick that yeah almost is that [ __ ] kid that did two 00 900 back to back 900 he looks like he’s just got out of like nappies and he’s doing 900s back to back in like canonball insan I know I’ve been

Watching that day ridic did you watch uh Leonardo the Italian Leonardo I think Tony ORS Tony Orcs Tony orc is sorting him out with bird house I think but he does proper Aly MC Twist’s like is about 12 foot high mat sha is it not not mat sha um Tom Tom Tom sorry

Yeah yeah he’s [ __ ] ridiculous but shout out to Max sha because he was [ __ ] good Max sha is over here every now and then for the the dice magazine motorbike why don’t you hit up horsey can’t voice is going horsey why don’t why don’t you hit up horsey and

See if we can get Max Chef on i’ love to I me Ronnie sandal is over in July I’ve asked to get him on but no was the answer what’s he what’s he over for the same thing the the the motor bike ride that dice mag do well [ __ ] you guys if

You don’t want to come on no it wasn’t it wasn’t so much it wasn’t a rude though it was um yeah sorry so yeah radlands that that must have been another kind of cuz at the time there wasn’t no Pioneer in par that was about it was Pioneer and uh that was

Fantastic if but still going strong the Pioneer chrisin and his two sons Daman and Damian they really wanted to get a skate park going together and almost like at the time like I mean that’s an amazing thing to get a an indoor skate but but like realistically you going

Have maybe is it like is it going to work do you know what I mean yeah cuz there was that again it was was going sort of quiet skateboard and again um apparently it was so busy in the first few months of opening they give you money back to leave earlier on your

Session yeah yeah yeah I mean when it when it first yeah cuz it was there was so many people waiting to go in early they because only could only have X amount of people in there although that went to [ __ ] as soon as the British

Champs went on CU it was rammed in there oh God it was [ __ ] insane just couldn’t get anywhere it was it was people spilling out onto the street course and it was still happening but when it as I say when it first opened it was it was you know numbers are coming

In very slowly okay cuz as I say the industry was definitely about to Sun again as I it’s almost a 10 year cycle it does do that’s why I said to you like you know how was it the industry these days [ __ ] right there’s very few people is

It flooded with too many boards too many yeah I mean you products we get offered a lot of stuff that people can’t sell too many products for two little shops and Outlets to sell it it is such a tough industry isn’t it it really is and

And like I’ve I’ve not been involved in well I’ve been involved with skateboarding but just going skating and as I say painting people skateboarding um it’s sort of I know it’s the industry is is I’m sure one day soon you know it will just really exploded you know like

You say it’s gone in the Olympics um that’s definitely put skateboarding a bit more on the map I oh yeah there’s more skaters than ever it’s just that there’s more places than ever to buy skateboards and the internet has brought down the the boundaries of countries so

People still can order stuff in from abroad and get it cheaper you know if they don’t get hit with an import Duty charge um let’s talk about what you’re doing now skating a bit still skating yeah and now you’re doing some art yeah I’ve been painting about that well I just find

The artwork I’ve been doing when I was a kid sort of thing even before I was skating sort of thing and um I just remember drawing pictures of people at Hara I’ve I’ve got somebody at a pool but I didn’t draw it there I draw it

When I got back home something from from your brain yeah I thought oh we should uh we should take this take it a bit further sort of thing and obviously um as I say bit older now sort of had time to think about exactly how I’m

Going to do that and um yeah just decided to buy some paint buy some canvases and just go for it really and yeah and just done quite a few paintings so far of different skaters yeah but I’m trying to go trying to go back in time

With it you know from the very start of it using art as a time machine yeah that’s a good quote for that good on that also also concentrating on what happened here in England because I think the moment we think of I was the 70 skating we automatically

Have viewed straight across the water I think I don’t know MH so I’m 30y paintings deep and there’s only there’s no American in well there’s one person so far Jeremy Henderson yeah but what I’m trying to say is there’s a there’s a lot of skate Heroes then that kept

Skateboarding alive then mhm kept them skate parks open then otherwise it’ be there would have been car parks in the 70s then skate parks had they had not you so they carried on and um I just thought yeah rather than just paint random stuff you want to paint some real

History so that’s what Heroes Yeah you mentioned your painting Sue Hazel tomor yeah I’m going to try and stop getting together pain yeah we need to get on I painted one other female skater Shea Sheena B yeah um yeah she’s uh there a picture of her doing like a fronts side carve on

This ramp so I just painted her where can people see where you’re are is it on my instag on Instagram they’re all there clear as day I’ve done little bit of music just Tred to Funk it up a bit being being creative yeah just uh you

Know and it’s um as I say I do go scating but I do suffer with it like my hip hurts and stuff cuz I’m trying to well you got remember you’ve been doing it for 40 probably 40 years yeah 40 something years we’re human beings are not supposed to be skating beating into

The ground decade after decade you know I don’t know what we’re supposed to be doing but I’m not sure yeah well I’m just G to I’m just going to carry on until I can’t paint anymore so obviously hopefully that’ll be quite a few quite a few thousand paintings ahead cuz there’s

That many skaters triggered the inspiration to start the project well as as being a kid I I i’ done it on card and then on to uh just on the paper and I thought what’s the point in putting a picture on paper it’s just just on canvas yeah so everything you’re painted

Is on canvas yeah oh yeah yeah or concrete I’ve experimented with some of the artwork on concrete just to have a look to what it looks like so just do you think you’d kind of put it all into one big art show at some point I’d love to I’d

Absolutely love invite some of the Legends around the people have painted yeah yeah and get them all in one place kind of like the London Calling thing like get people in one place yeah well just on that note I mean why um why have

You not had a board out on 40 I thought you would have had I was I was thinking that everyone else seems to 40 skate Co yeah like habg good just had a board Po’s had one I might be a little bit detached I’m not sure I know okay

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Mom tell your mom stop texting me over and out goodbye just going back to your art Pete yeah if you want to do an art show you’re more than welcome to user space here do want to oh really you could have like the indoor park you

Could take it over and just do Pete Doss I’ll I’ll film it for the night do do like a video for you free of charge maybe maybe paint me doing a backside down a v ramp CU I’ve never done one so you can be like I you know there’s

There’s lots of um yeah we do lots of events we the dadlands stuff have you seen dadlands yeah so Vol we got the Vol roll open on May 18th it’s that kind of crowd maybe we could do an art show here we can move some of the shop out the way

And put some art in there Pete do art show at the Vol plenty of scope to do stuff if you want to do something just let us know we could do something like on that indoor skate park cuz it’s all wood you can hang things all around and

Then cut off that street course and have a mini ramp session so the Arts around it yeah oh we can do all that kind of stuff I’ll film the evening and make a nice video for you for Honor that sounds it be really I’d be more than Keen it’s

Getting all your canvases here from South End on yeah well I’ll uh I’ll I’ll figure that one out but um I do plan to try and do something like yeah that that would be amazing and also something maybe around London area sort of thing yeah but again I’ve not

Figured it out figured it right out because I’m process it I still need to paint the people from the 80s I got to paint myself as well I’m one of these people in it so can you paint ay for me please could you when eventually I will with

His long arms on canvas like in a c mush style like a but with like with like long wobbly art when you do the photo of you yeah can you do that edworth Judo air that’d be sick cuz that’s yeah I don’t know I really I haven’t even looked at myself

I’m looking at people tot at the likee Hazel finally got that she definely wants that photo so um cuz I had another one of her a bit earlier doing a high jump and she looks so cool I know the photo I know was was it in red or

Something black and white shot straight straight on yeah I know the one I just thought I’d love to paint that but she’s like a bit later I’m doing this to Where Have You Been contacting through Instagram everybody for Instagram CU it would be worth dropping

Her a message because it’d be so good to have someone with that Heritage and being the first female skateboarder as well because she can really talk about the female history in skateboarding yeah really good when you speak to a teller we’ll be in touch you want to get her on

Yeah definitely she’s um I mean there’s load I SK with her quite a bit as is she is she down your way or we said South Sea South Sea I think I think I’m not 100% sure South Coast somewhere I remember it be Brighton or ports me for

Somewhere like that but um anyway I think we’re kind of before we bring it to a close do you have a favorite photo that you’ve shot in your history of skateboarding of yourself like a photo you look at and you’re like that was a good day what one that Pete just a photo

Of Pete himself that you shot that you’ve been published you’re like uh that’s probably one of your favorite I don’t really I don’t really I don’t know I don’t I don’t really have any favorite photos or or anything like that cuz that contents page one’s good because of the

Skyline in the background and everything it’s kind of almost silhouetted right that’s one of my favor yeah that’s like a golden hour photo that yeah I mean they’re just they’re permanently burnt into my retina’s those never just seen a photo there that pasty took that Justin Ashby took photo is that an adrenaline

Alley yeah that V ramp’s gone now hasn’t it they got rid of it for a [ __ ] Rhythm Section Rhythm for scooters ramp is a Rhythm Section surely for scooters like ramp is a big rhym section that yeah that one there you go contents page yeah that photo is so it’s just so good

Is it they were they the death box crowbar rails on there I think so yeah yeah they were they were chunky bits of those rails look amazing what wheels are you riding there I think they’re the t uh not Tacs the um do Doos yeah I didn’t

Think they came in the red did they oh look at that Pete you got nose bone are they the air walks as well the high up airw walks I think I don’t know uh look at that recap knee pads you need there right this is that nose bone

You’ve got on there is that drilled directly just to the bottom yeah of your board because me and sea make our own little nose bones because some of them where they used to lap over your nose used to snap off easy right but that one looks like it’s just fully drilled on

The bottom of your nose right yeah I just screwed in a couple of times look at that nosebone that is that [ __ ] is making me horny did you did you keep any of your Riders from back in the day any of the boards you’d ridden uh yeah I did

I did I actually sold a couple no yeah I had two actually I sold them years ago though for like peanuts but um but yeah just you should do something like art related art show related and anything nostalg IC you’ve got and just drill it all up on the wall

Boards art and just it’d be so good host Tonight of that I’d be yeah like Toby said be an honor to do something like that um well shall we round it up on yeah I mean I could I could sit here and go through these old photos for [ __ ]

Hours yeah because it’s right up my uh straza right up your straza yeah but well if anyone knows where Toby straza might be message but if we can have around Applause in the studio audience please thanks for coming Pete thank you very much thanks for coming all the [ __ ]

Way from oh it’s not long nice that’s not a long way thank you dude thank you make sure you like comment share subscribe we’re going to go skate now Pete’s going to do a Smith whatever the [ __ ] you call it so yeah one more round of applause come on let’s get on

It right let’s go set up this art gallery n