Scenic drive Heilbronn to Stuttgart Airport – 🇩🇪 Germany 🇩🇪

Heilbronn is a city on the Neckar River in southwest Germany. St. Kilian Church dates back to the 13th century, with an octagonal Renaissance tower and a Gothic altarpiece. The Town Hall facade has a 16th-century astronomical clock. North in the Neckar Valley, the late-medieval Guttenberg Castle has a museum and live birds of prey. East of the city, the area around Lake Breitenau has trails and vineyards.

Stuttgart Airport is the international airport of Stuttgart, the capital of the German state of Baden-Württemberg. It is christened in honor of Stuttgart’s former mayor, Manfred Rommel, son of Erwin Rommel, and is the sixth busiest airport in Germany with 11,832,634 passengers having passed through its doors in 2018.

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Right where they just jet off in insane rates of speed no visible means of repulsion no sound that that’s the one thing that brings me back like God they they seem to act the same at least some of them do they seem to be and if we’re talking

About 1947 we can really safely assume that they did not have drone technology capable of you know super Hypersonic speeds at that time I’m really glad you mentioned that because that that is some that is a big part of the issue here is like people can just say oh this is

Really special projects that are even being hidden by our own our own government the thing is the UFO phenomenon has been ubiquitous it’s been everywhere in the world and it it’s it’s been going on before 1947 so somebody had that technology I I I hope I I do

Hope we’ve had some sort of ability to get derivative Technologies I know they’ve been trying to do that if we believe the core concept that we have craft did some more ADV Dan than ours and we’re try to reverse engineer in 3 km at the 38 C weinburg

Junction use the left two lanes to follow signs for a81 towards St weinburg elen so the fact you bring that up and I want to touch on what you just said the explanation I’ve been given we’ve both been given is that there are true National Security concerns about this

Technology that the cover up or ever that it has to do with what will happen if we make a breakthrough in this technology and that can be weaponized so the secrecy you could say might I mean some people have convinced us have tried to convince us that there’s real true

National Security issues with this in that once you admit one thing those next questions are going to come and maybe we can’t answer those yet we don’t know so so that’s the fear is like it’s like they all been high movie like you know shit’s been kept pretty secret stuff has

Come out it’s like what happens if we admit the fundamental truth that there are craft of Unknown Origin that are more advanced technologically than ours doesn’t matter where they’re from what what happens if we admit that so people in 800 M of the 38 C weinburg Junction use the left two lanes to

Follow signs for a81 towards stard bhen are concerned from my opinion within government That at the 38 C weinburg Junction use the left two lanes to follow signs for a81 towards continue for 35 km if they let that out the followup they’re not going to be able to with this technology has been seen throughout human history on every continent in

Every culture for as far back as humans have been around uh that is not our technology that was flying around pre-1947 look Dave fraver was here in this chair Joe talking to you and he said he talked about the Tic Tac incident from 2004 as he testified

Before Congress in Late July we we didn’t have the technology then to do what the Tic Tac did we don’t have it now but we don’t have it if you look back at the paper trail this what got me hooked on this topic in the begin with I

I can’t go out and find UFOs I don’t know the cosmic uh meaning of all this stuff but there was a paper trail within our government documents memo reports that were generated by the Department of Defense before the Freedom of Information Act existed before they had to worry about the public ever seeing

These reports those documents paint a pretty clear picture General Nathan Twining who became chief of the Air Force he was also the first Air Force guy to be the uh chairman of the joint ches staff he wrote this document in 1947 the Twining me Memo where he talks

About these things are not fictitious or imaginary they’re real and they’re not ours and we don’t think they’re the Russians either it’s it’s not our technology sorry how did he describe it it’s not fictitious or imaginary it’s real but how did he describe the crafts with they how they behave metallic uh

They can they can appear and disappear we can’t detect them on our sensors whatever I think is was radar back then that they can outs fly our best planes uh Supply circles around us there’s nothing we can do about it we have no defensive mechanism against them um and

Then there’s the paper trail starts there there was a study by the FBI the US Army in 1948 then the CIA after it was created got involved they’ve been studying this stuff for a long time and the documents where they speak to each other very frankly this is real it’s not

Us as the 1960 they put out a memo saying this is serious business you know we need to figure this out I think there are inescapable security implications for this technology there is a race for it we’re trying to get it the Russians are trying

To get it the Chinese are trying to get it whoever gets it they win is are there some sort of reports about the Russians and the Chinese also having the covered crims dude he smuggled a ton of classified documents out of Russia himself during glass no and paroa he

Went and met with the heads of the UFO programs for uh uh in Russia during that time heard he came back with all those documents and actually supplied them to some people that that that happened it had a lot to do with Harry Reid’s decision to go ahead and support

Funding uh because those documents show that the Russians are trying to do what we’re trying to do which is to take this stuff apart and figure out how it works and this is 1993 the first time I went but their their study lasted they had the biggest study in the history of the

World from 78 to 88 the USSR sent out an order to every military unit in the the vast Soviet Empire that any UFO any or any ball light anything weird in the sky all has to be investigated and that information had to be funnel to the

Ministry of Defense to the desk of a guy named C cour salov who was in charge of this program and I met him and he shared a lot of that information with me and he admitted we’re trying to figure this stuff out because if we can duplicate

That technology we could kick your ass in terms of stealth we we can beat you in your own game on stealth technology so they were trying to do it they’re trying to figure it out um we hear bits and pieces that they have recovered crashes as well so of the Chinese maybe

The Israelis I mean also in these documents so and can you tell them who you gave them to that host life can you tell them uh they got into the hands of the US government um and then uh that was after I came back from Russia the

First time I went back again in ‘ 96 a lot of the people who had been willing to talk to me during glm were now afraid they would not meet with me the people who had gone on camera uh changed their Tunes because the whole country had changed in that

Time period but the documents also went to AET that’s the program that the DIA ran Balo was the was the contractor for it and they hired a bunch of Russians to go through those documents figure out the structure of the Russian uh UFO program and and did a lot more analysis

Than I could do just by myself and in these documents they they talked about shoot down attempts which is something that we’ll be hearing more about over the next 15 weeks I hope so in Russia they have this policy at first to engage these things and they lost Pilots yeah

They had 40 different incidents during that study where uh Russian war planes chased UFOs three of those cases their UFOs turned around and shot them down they disabled the planes and the planes crashed two of those Pilots died and after the third crash the Russian Ministry of Defense put out the order

They hello they may have quote incredible capacities for retaliation just leave them alone and one last thing about that my mind we did an episode about this like a p Point Russ all thing they talked about in those documents that they knew how many satellites that

We have dedicated to looking for UFOs is is that correct yeah yeah I met this Russian scientist who had worked on their version of Star Wars he lived in one of these secret cities he’ never spoken to any journalist let AL Western journalist and he started telling us

About the the work that they were doing he he showed me this tabletop uh model of a a compl laser weapon that he called the weapon of the aliens but he said he’d been involved in the Russian Space Program in the earliest days they had satellites up there that were seeing

These things coming in and out of space into Earth atmosphere and going out he said the Americans I know that you guys had those satellites you were seeing the same stuff we were their intelligence agents got information from the US they knew we were collecting information back then they don’t wor collecting it

Now and when when they said that they had Jets shot down is that do we have instances of jets getting shot down in America we do um it’s it’s kind of sketchy because a lot of those records we have records of the planes going down but not there’s no

Indication that the UFOs were responsible other than the captain manell that’s a pretty famous UFO case uh where he chased a UFO and then crash they think he might a rown out of gas and the I think the Air Force tried to explain he was chasing the planet Venus

Which is costumes you know yeah we have some the CIA actually fully funded a a movie narrated by Rod sirling uh it’s called UFOs past present or future and there’s two versions you can find it online this is the most incredible UFO movie of all time because it’s funded by

The CIA to try to apologize for that incident was say Jason Venus it’s a cool old school documentary in UFOs narrated by The Twilight Zone wow yeah so the Russians how many crafts of like we supposedly Crush said that the United States is in possession of

12 we should we should uh back up our Crush right like what I’m thinking is something big happened we had these Heroes right and everybody knows grush cuz they saw him for the first time during that in those hearings he did not say that and so there’s an important

Thing there what he said said and what he couldn’t say during those hearings so I’m not going to say that Crush has ever said that that’s not in his doser like that’s not authorized and somebody said that I don’t know who said it all we know he said was right there in that

Hearo okay you see what I’m saying it’s like there’s a lot of rumors out there and I and I don’t know so there’s 12 you’ve heard of people not from gush okay okay so I’m confused so what has G said g said they definitely have physical crafts so he

Was really so let me just set the scene for you with this hearing thing right um so I know when people think this is like orchestrated man uh we fought for every millimeter of doing that hearing like I personally did you know and and and so

Did George and the idea was what can the public what can we put out to the public and let everybody know this is important to us it’s the first time in history that you have Commander David fraver Lieutenant Ryan Graves and then one whistle a guy named David grush we can’t

Validate what he said because it’s all classified information but Commander fraver at friends of ours you know command he like just told what happened to him Chase yo then you’ve got Ryan Graves his whole Squadron has been seeing these things we’ve had both on your podcast but Crush stood up there

And he was very careful with his words and I want people to know why if you look at that set you’re going to see right behind him was a guy named Chuck Chuck McCulla Chuck McCulla is the Former Intelligence Community Inspector General so like the cops of the

Intelligence community and he was right behind David grush who is his client so he’s representing David grush because David grush put a whistleblower complaint he put yeah and look at those two handsome guys right there so there’s um yeah this is the biggest conspiracy time can you imagine people seeing this

Idiots but so behind guy coming of here’s the deal um this photo is kind of hilarious because George Lally George had monological shock when we’re in that room it’s like he’s sitting there he’s sitting there seeing after all this time this shit’s being said out loud so so

What happened was the seats were kind of like designated for us cuz George and I were supposed to testify but then common wisdom says why have these journalist guys when you can hear directly from the first hand people we agree but what we did was we put on Congressional Record

Statements and people should read them if they have their wrong congression record I did an assessment of kind of the estimate of the situation but he he named names and and programs but what you’re seeing there is and I kind of had to fight for this you know

Is getting his lawyer behind him should be like an obvious thing that a guy’s going up to testify under oath in front of Congress if you believe him he’s speaking under whisper or protection dude it was hard to get his lawyer behind I literally had to put the

Lawyer behind so we got the lawyer behind him so he can lean in and be like careful there careful what you did like a bunch of times and there’s George looking all scrunch and it like by Jeremy over there with no one next to him I think people are a little afraid

Of cuz you know they’re bit of a Maniac sometimes whatever we’re there Dave starts talking they ask him questions these weren prescripted or anything you know we’re talking about what could be ask for sure but the were prescripted what Dave gush said correct me or add to

If I get this wrong Dave gush said I did an investigation it was my job I was hired by this is a guy from from the national reconnaissance office the National geospatial Intelligence Agency like this guy is is he’s been in the intelligence Community a long time and

He sits there on your oath and he says I didn’t an investigation I I interviewed it was my job to look at um over 2,000 special access progams like black progams and it was my job to find out if any of them had to do with UAP

And if there’s any money being hidden a misappropriated theft and he’s like after interviewing 40 Witnesses I found a ton of that that supports this and I in fact he said I found people worked on the craft firsthand and they and they had to come in or they willingly came and call them

Hostile non hostile Witnesses he like so I did that whole thing the second I did that which was my job I was given the job the prizes started happening to me so he smartly did a whistleblower complaint through the presidential protection act act 19 or something he

Went got the head of the icig the former head of the IC and he says dude here’s what I know here’s what people don’t know is the ICI so the the intelligence community did their own investigation into David crush’s Witnesses and what he found they interviewed like 40 plus under oath and

Immediately said David crush is is both incredible and Urgent so it’s not like just one guy telling them our intelligence community did a deep dive investigation into what David Crush under in the right secure settings and they’re incredible urgent so David Crush tell you the basic

Things that happened but you know I kept saying in the appropriate environment if you’ve got clearance we can do that I’m willing to give you a list of hostile and non hostile people that worked on the craft you know biological he’s said I’ll give that to you today we

Just got to get a skiff and we got to make sure that you have access you have clearance and he was denied skiff that day he’s um he’s incredible guy he’s the real deal I mean he has uh he had a career in the Air Force served in Afghanistan a distinguished career then

He goes into the intelligence Community working for the National geospatial Intelligence Agency he was assigned by his boss to be the leason to the UAP desk Force that’s what Congress and up to investigate the whole UFO before the current program existed and that guy who

Was in charge of the task force J Str gave him a job go find the special access programs that are hiding U hosta either siphoning millions of dollars or than G technology crash retrievals reverse engineering all the stuff that we always heard rumored and he did he

Found it um most of the juicest stuff that he found he can’t say in an unclassified setting it has to be because they will get him they will bust his ass if they can they’ve already tried like four times and that’s a to talk about there have been attempts to

Get him silenced muzzled by the way to not do podcasts or shows and stuff right to get him muzzled by um people that are trying to say he’s talking outside of his dooper which is like what he’s allowed to talk about so they’re they’re looking for one word that he says that’s

Outside of that like I get asked continue on a81 for 7 km by people in the government has he ever told you the number of crashes has he ever told you locations that come on to answer you first of all secondly no he hasn’t that would be illegal if we were

To be true so he is authorized to talk about a very limited number of things that corre and they’re not doging for their authenticity doops or process which is I don’t know what it stands for but it’s like a pre process he very smartly cuz his lawyer is really smart former ICI

WR write it in what you want to talk about and see what they come back about what you can’t talk about so they’re not saying what he’s saying is true they’re just saying you can talk Within These parameters I would like to see if what

He’s saying is true so we just need that option so who gives him the authority to talk about those things no one gives him the authority he’s taking that all on himself he’s a true whistle whether you put his claims or not what he’s doing is

Is legal but it is I mean it’s a career killer right doser says they they go through it and they make sure that things that are like highly sensitive are classified right like we can’t say this word this programmer this name so they kind of do it as a pre-publication

Thing that’s the process does that make sense I wrote a book with donali Jim laty about the Dia’s UFO program it took doops are 14 months to approve our manuscript so they take their time they take their time but also when you get pushed back when people are trying to

Trap him or get people to say that he said something the doser go his F talk with those he says be careful to not accidentally say something outside right now is a very sens time for that know immedately it’s interesting from Alabama conference the SCU conference it’s a UFO event we went

Down there to interview somebody else uh to get him on camera and we had been told this guy might there’s a guy might introduce himself and Jeremy was shooting video of me said at a bar at the moment that this guy walked up and introduced himself so we had that moment

On camera then we got to know him a little bit a couple months later he comes out to Las Vegas there was a Star Trek convention we were going to speak at it and he comes out because he likes Star Trek like everybody likes Star Trek

Comes out and spends 2 days with us the next day he flies back Sunday night Monday morning reports to work armed security guards escort him out he was suspended his clearance was suspended we were worried all Christ was did was he seen in our company and that’s what

Happened but that was the beginning of his first real big trial by fire uh they accused him of a bunch of stuff um and said that they were going to um fire him and permanently suspend his clearance was was he already discussing UFOs that not with us but he had already been

Investigating it on behalf of his of the UAP task force and he had shared information Through The Whistleblower uh process with the Inspector General yeah let me just break it down real simp so here there he is he getss this job he’s looking at all these special access programs he’s a brilliant guy

He’s a physicist by the way you know he’s a brilliant guy in general so he discovers all this he starts getting reprisals and then the moment George is talking about I kind of had heard about him all of a sudden he comes up to him at this bar where we were at

That’s the first time that he talked to anybody outside of government that he didn’t share anything he shouldn’t but he’s kind of coming to George and then to me to say I’m doing this whistleblower thing I am concerned for my safety and just in general for my

Career in 800 M keep left to stay on a81 he wanted a journalist or journalist to know not to report on it so imagine that we don’t even break the story that we have before anybody right so what I did cuz I’m his Harpoon I I did itep keep left to stay on

A81 di into this guy for months and months and months he actually came to my home you know understand continue on a81 for 4 km like and I got to know and I I we vetted and vetted okay this guy is who he says he is he’s 100% who he says he

Is so we we kind of got that layer of trust this is not some sham or something like that but then what happens is but George is talking about the second trick so I’m already talking at this uh Star Trek thing because my my friend growing

Up with my jeny class was Rod rurry so he’s like the of JE rod so he’s just like dude Jeremy come talk to a bunch of Tres about real UFOs and I’m like cool I’ll do it it’s in Georgia swamp toown so that was a great opportunity

For Dave to come with us again and just talk to us right yeah and then that Monday when he gets back he’s walked out of the geospatial intelligence agency or nro depending on which one you want to identify him with he’s he’s out man and they did some on him like time

Card like out of out of 12,000 billable hours maybe there’s like 30 hours somewhere where you didn’t do it right they were doing anything they could to with this guy so that was our first like heads up oh dude how this guy gets treated is going to dictate everybody

Else that has come to us in private saying I I I think this is legal what I’m doing some the complaints they issued to try to take away his security CS was that he had mental health issues so he was suspended for a couple of months they did a background

Investigation of his delegations the Alle in 800 M keep left to stay on a81 made against him and then cleared him reinstated him reinstated his security clearance he stayed on the job for a couple more months and then retired CU he sees the hand riding on

The wall and he left and that’s when he started uh plotting the next chap keep left to stay on a81 and now we’re seeing the backlash uh process firing up once again after he testifies continue on a81 for 11 km Congress in that hearing and offers to tell them more in a classified

Setting and and spill all the beads uh they they got to find a media guy to go after this article The Intercept The Intercept a smash piece by the way we already knew all about Dave gr’s PTSD and at the time his best friend his dear

Friends just talk cut off the phone with him blew his own brains up right so he was like drinking he was in a bad place the first day day one I talked to him I said what dirt are they going to pull up on if if you’re telling his Tru they’re

Going to get some dirt and he goes look man I had PTSD I dealt with it I survived it nothing horrible happened but you know he told us St one man that intercepting was some they they come in and they they try to discredit what he said because of his PTSD

And the things that happened to Lazar like if you believe or don’t believe don’t care that did happen with Lazar too people try to discredit his character to try to minimize what he’s counting so we saw that with Dave and that was only the visible stuff I’m telling things behind the scenes that

Have been done to Dave and his family it’s disgusting like not even just like pull your clearance kind of like there are people that don’t want him that he’s an embarrassment you know to the Department of Defense if what he’s saying he’s coming out of school and he’s saying I saw

PS they don’t want that so we were in the push back phase they they not only the intelligence community and Military folks tipped off a reporter and said go look for this and they found some police records of where he was drinking too much it was suicidal uh and and that was

Adjudicated it was looked at the Department of Defense is his employers looked into it he’ gone through treatment he got past it he was a better person stronger person for it but they leaked that information to just resarch his character and now we see additional push back in Congress so this committee

That held this hearing into UFO UAP matters uh was a subcommittee on National Security of the oversight committee the larger committee since that hearing happened uh the chairman of the house intelligence committee got together with the chairman of the oversight committee and decided no more UFO hearings in the house enough of that

we not doing that anymore because in their words could be an embarrassment to the Department of Defense a damn right it would be an embarrassment for what’s going to come out it was a big success here to have this this publicly done it’s the first time in history that we have direct

Witnesses like two pilots and then a whistleblower it was the first time in history we fought through every millimeter of that territory to get that to happen it was not perceived well by the intelligence Community you know they did not like that that happened and that’s pretty Talent

I think we should do it again now when Crush first found out about this stuff he was tasked with trying to uncover it was his job it was his job and why did they like was this suspicion like what was the initial impost to to it’s the suspicion we’ve

Had for a long time that there is crash or faal program that we have recovered technology that is not made here that we’re trying reverse engineer and figure out how it work so that we can duplicate it but who who said so there are UAP task force so the UAP task force was

Formally created by Congress to look into the bigger picture J suspected that something was wrong Jay Stratton was the head of it he’d been at the defense intelligence agency he was with Naval intelligence he kept getting pulled back into the UFO Arena from different jobs very incredible guy he was in charge of

The UAP task force he put together this amazing briefing document that in included film and video and photos of UFOs that have been gathered by the US military over the past 30 years he’d give those presentations to Congress to the Joint Chiefs to defense contractors uh because he wanted people to know

About it and as part of that job you assigned Dave to look into special access programs can you find evidence of Crash retrievals reverse engineering any of that stuff we’ve been hearing rumored for 30 40 years and this is really about over okay so the way I understand it from

People involved is that look we have to have oversight over these types of programs and Technologies like it’s in 3 km at the 19 dry leberg Junction use any Lane to follow signs for a towards M Zing good we’re doing them it’s good we keep it secret like that’s their

Standpoint but they’re like we have to have a process of oversight do you remember the the church committee back in was it 60s 7s um 7s so the church committee everybody in the intelligence agency that I know will say there’s BC and AC before the church committee after

The church committee it it it basically was a way to level the plane field so there’s not this type of you know shenanigans that are going on the up they learned from the church committee so what they’re saying now is look some stuff needs to be kept secret

For National Security if we can turn some of this into weapon systems right like we don’t we don’t give out uh blueprints to make an atom bomb we admit adom bombs are real but we don’t give out blueprints so some of it needs to be kept secret but they’re all about

Oversight if you don’t have communication between these subcontractors that are working on this exotic stuff if it exists we need to be aware of that at some level we meaning Senate and Senate intelligence committee all that stuff oversight so without that oversight you’re just letting people run

Them muck and go crazy with this stuff and I’ll tell you firsthand right there are people that have come to me and George that are currently employed in agencies and they feel like they are being held hostage in these programs like there’s there’s ways to keep people

In programs and to not let them out by dangling this life what are you going to do if you lose your clearances you going to go work at Home Depot you know that’s that’s the way that that I’ve heard some people describe to me and George of why

They’re so terrified right now is because their whole lives their wives their dogs their children are all dependent upon these little faction groups kind of keeping them in a program if that’s true that’s horrible and what just happened to Dave grush the sliming of Dave grush by this uh this

Really poorly researched article isn’t EX in 800 M at the 19 Dr Leber Junction use any Lane to follow signs for a towards M Zig hold do all them anybody out there as a whistle low you’re thinking of coming forward and spilling the beans this could happen to you did you ever

Have an affair did you ever have a gun out a woodlock kid did you have a drop at the 19 dry leberg Junction use any Lane to follow signs for a towards mol because whatever it is we’ll fine continue for 1 and A2 km and it’ll come out it’s interesting

That they would use PTSD to discredit him for war vou that seems insane you’re shaming someone for seeking help from something that most soldiers come back and have to deal with that’s really insane it’s low is what it is well it doesn’t make sense either it just

Doesn’t make sense like how can you do that it doesn’t make sense in terms of the reader perception because I think most readers are going to look at that and go well the guy came back from war and he sought help how many guys come back from war and they’re fine isn’t it

It’s probably less probably quite a bit less and a lot of people never get over the PTSD and they take their lives the number of veterans take their lives in this country is astonish it’s four times as many that die in combat it’s astonish it’s terrify thank you for vocalizing

That cuz to me I’m like what the that’s a we well that’s just some ick head Rider has an agenda but it’s also there’s this natural in 600 M keep left of the fork follow signs for M singing inclination that I think we all have to poke holes in something that

Seems fantastic it’s like this guy how what is he doing he’s he’s coming out he’s a whistleblower has he seen these things keep left at the fork oh he just is a he works for the UAP task force and he’s uncovering this like what what what do we know about

This guy oh he’s continue on a for 39 km nut oh has PTSD he was suicidal he’s making things up he’s unstable instantly look deserve dismiss and I understand if I was watching this in 2D head Southeast towards A8 a81 and I’m just watching the TV and I’m

Seeing this these weird guys behind here and I’m thinking this is continue on a for 39 km like I I I do see that and I do see that why would you take this seriously but if you’re in our shoes l in georg’s and you see this kind of go through and

You talk with people on a daily bases people come to you over years you vet them man look from where I’m standing in the 3D version of this I wish it was more organized I feel like we’re we’re we’re fighting like pushing that what’s that dudee that pushes the boulder up

The hill that keeps ring down s yeah some yeah that’s what it feels like right like you know one step forward two steps back I think we made a lot of progress but I see how it looks so bizarre on the outside I will say for

Sure uh Dave is who he says he is he had the job that he says he did have and he absolutely fundamentally believes that what he uncovered is non-human Technologies and he said that and I believe that we have the right and the need to try to do discovery on that and

The only way we’re going to do that is if people say we want know and the hearings help with that kind now this stuff I would imagine is very compartmental so I would also imagine there’s probably some people in government that whether it’s because of their ego or whether it’s because of

Whatever position they have that they need to have access to this information they want to have access to information do we know know who does and who doesn’t going to go uh short answer is kind of like I we we kind of know you know who has control of

Some of these programs now we’ve never George and I have never found somebody that knows the totality of it but we have been as he likes to say pretty high up the food chain so we we get to a point where we get to people that have

Actively worked in what they call them the Legacy UFO program or programs so these are like the actual UFO programs that are not public and when we when we get to people in that position the brick wall for us is always this they’re like I’m not for

Disclosure and I’m like okay well tell me to stop them like what do you mean the the public you shouldn’t kick a sleeping dog was one of the things we were told and I’m like what like what is so freaking scary that the public would know something that even though we’re

Friends now and you have direct knowledge that you first of all W testify to Congress we got NOS no way am I doing that I’m like why there’s something and we keep getting up to that point where there’s something and we don’t know what it is and maybe it’s

Just they want to keep Golems ring they don’t want anybody else to have control of this or there’s something they’re not telling us that is so gnarly that uh they don’t think people can handle it there are you know different scenarios you can explore for example

You know you ask what could be so terrible that they can’t tell us about it say these these aliens wherever they’re from made us that were a genetic experiment um that they created our religions our religious figures that we are an Agricultural Product somehow they harvest us um that our time is limited

You know that that once the experiment’s over poof we go away I remember when there was a push back to have a designer Universe intelligent design Universe in the schools and I wrote a column about it just said hey be careful what you wish for because you might find out that

The intelligent designer is a God that you’re thinking of it might be some alien science project or something like that uh you know you can imagine a lot of different things that would be really disturbing to people to come out I don’t know if that’s the reason for the for

The secrecy I suspect that this has a lot more to do with National Security us not wanting the Russians and Chinese to know how far down the road we are we know that to True we’ve been told that you can’t tell your friends without tell telling your enemies it’s probably a

Multi-layer reason I just don’t know the top lay it’s killing me well it’s interesting cuz how would they know the top lay I mean what kind of confirmation would you have to have that we were genetically engineered like how how how much data would you have to have before

You accepted that so you got compartmentalization right so I I know a guy in the 70s was working at Lawrence liore laboratory he’s not ready to grade from the F yet right he’s not ready to do it but he was working on Super capacitors in the 70s or something he

Said something like I know the three companies that make these he was given a device with no markings on it no nothing but he was to reverse engineer it he he he’s convinced this was not made by us it was so efficient Almost 100% efficient so you get you get people like

That what was it like a super capacitor is that the word for super conductor super conductor so it was just some device that he was as an electro kind of specialist was working on but this is just a one-off story to give you an example what exact is this do

This yeah conductivity it would allow the transfer of energy like they’re trying to get at low temperature this means an electric current can flow but the electrons are J on the around a bit as they move so they lose energy as they travel this jostling is called electrical resistance in a

Superconductor there is zero resistance and an electrical current can flow perfectly smoothly without losing any energy that sounds right and so this is something that apparently so this was something that was just discussed like recently about a superconductor room temperature which is kind of debmed oh was it

Yeah was it debed it’s been debmed a couple times they keep turning taking another stab at it like Chinese propaganda or something no I think these I think they couldn’t replicate it or find out what it is that’s as far I think that’s exactly it couldn’t replic

So check it out though what I can say is um so I have two pieces of graphine and they’re like these little squares and one is they’re meta materials meaning it doesn’t occur in nature we made them I have two kinds two pieces one piece is a 3° variation from perfect Atomic

Layering the other one is like a 7° variation from perfect Atomic layering so that graphite from a pencil I think and they layer the atoms perfect the one that’s 7° and the one that’s 3° if you have an ice cube and I take the 7° of orientation off from perfect and I push

It into an ice cube it’s like a hot knife through butter it instantly gets cold and your finger gets cold and it stops in the ice right because it’s transferring the heat I guess this is a superc conductor I think it it it pushes um the heat for my fingers right in so

That material has unique principles and properties because of the way they atomically layered it the 3 degree it goes much deeper and faster because it’s like a it’s like a faster transaction of that heat so we we’ve learned that meta materials when we Orient them we make

Them in a certain way they have special or unique properties so a lot of so back to this guy um a lot of what it seems like we’re doing is trying to get derivative technology from something that’s more advanced than what we have and it can be little things so he all he

Saw was a super conductor okay I believe that’s the right word that’s all he saw he only has suspicion it’s never been put to Market since the 70s what the he worked on so that’s one type of like I don’t whistleblower or witness that we got but there are other types

There are other people that are like physically working on the machines than there’s people that are just in a bureaucratic role then You’ got people like David grush who do discovery on finances and programs and interview people this whole tapestry or mosaic of individuals leads me to feel that where there’s smoke there’s

Fire all of this there’s something to it it’s just where is it from I think we’re in kind of a pushback load now though since that hearing that might have been the high water mark you know Jeremy and I have been talking about it publicly

For a while the closer we get to the goodies the closer the public gets or congress gets to actually seeing the saucers or finding out where the programs are the harder these guys are going to push back the true keepers of the secrets have Dum their feed in I

Mentioned about this house chairman uh intelligence committee chairman he represents rank pson Air Base that he gets a lot of campaign donations for big airspace companies uh WR Patterson of course Hanger 18 and all the rumors about Roswell wreckage and other things being store there that’s his district

He’s the guy that’s at no more hearings said so he he kind of put the CLS China is a big to us thei that’s probably true doing that stuff you guys remember the American Computer Company know do you know that American Computer Company I’m pretty sure that’s

The name American computer compan had a whole section on their website about the back engineering of technology that came about from a possible crash and about how Bell Laboratories in uh New Jersey had an Air Force Base right outside of it that was supposedly to protect New York City

They’re like but the problem is New York City’s you got to fly over to New York City like it seems like it’s protecting Bell laborator and Bell laborator is where he said that they back engineer all the including fiber optics including like the discovery of a bunch of different things that came out

Supposedly of back engineering that wage see if you can find that