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I mean Muhammad’s conviction is that there was a conspiracy I mean he has a a whole history of um you know knowing Diana and her family Diana had confided in him that you know she feared for her life and this sort of thing um I mean he
Believes firmly still that there was a conspiracy he hasn’t had access to the British intelligence files we haven’t had answers you know to who was driving the funo why orul had carbon monoxide in his blood ridiculous amount that he wouldn’t have been able to walk if he
Had and so on they all these unanswered questions Muhammad is a grieving father who wants the answers he has the uh resources and the will to get Them this is Bristol it’s Friday it’s minutes past 5 sorry about that folks uh a lot of rearranging in the studio to do here and uh it’s welcome to not the bcfm politics show on the 8th of March 2024 streaming live from the People’s Republic of Stokes coft Arts Center in
Brist store on the talk radio.org.ph you can install Aurora and get all the original apps rather than the ones that Google filters in the Play Store so I’m Tony goling thank you for turning off the psycho in the corner gaslighting us with its propaganda scops the puff pieces on the conspirators and
The hatchet jobs on the heroes uh not just here in Bristol and Britain but around the world uh so uh what we’ll be doing today is uh the looking at all sorts of well particularly navigating the world economic forums fourth Industrial Revolution and the fourth Reich Matrix who knows where we’re going
To head tonight um but joining me in the studio is Irish Republican labor activist Martin Summers have also got freelance journalist uh from Bristol Joe Banks and um green counselor in Bristol for Central Ward Annie Stafford towns in so uh as it’s uh International women’s day you’re you’re actually popping off
Annie aren’t you after we finish to do something in the city center about this yeah there’s a a women for palestin there’s a women for Palestine March at um Castle Park from six so I’m going to go along to that well that’s a bit of an anti-semitic statement women for
Palestine now I know it’s a very mean thing to say but people have been saying the same about me what do you make of the Palestine whole Palestine GS of business I think that uh there’s innocent civilians being hurt and and caught up in this and that’s why we need
An immediate ceasefire well 30,000 killed uh never mind never mind just hurt we do need an immediate Seas far why do you think there hasn’t been one and do you think the Brits are in any position to push for one I mean what’s the point of us saying it I
Think the UK’s got a very strong place on the international stage and therefore the things that we call for has a huge amount of power so yes it is what we should be calling for and why aren’t we um I mean I’m you have to ask you soon
Act that but um I mean green party policy is and the green party have been very clear right from the offset right from the when it first happened in October have been calling for a ceasefire right from the beginning so we’ve always been really clear on our
Well it’s good to get that out of the way with I’ve been accused by uh the campaign against anti-Semitism this week of being an anti-semite um I just ignore these things nowadays I don’t think there’s any point in suing these people because in a way I had several messages on different systems
Saying this is a badge of honor Tony uh but of course I’m not anti-semitic I just make a big difference between the state of Israel and the Jewish faith the Jewish religion and the people who were persecuted in World War II are not the same people now running Israel by any
Means so uh let’s just talk a bit about Bristol politics now we’ve got off the world stage uh because your part is looking actually looking set to take the city over potentially in May what do you think your chances are I think our chances are looking quite good and I
Think the City of Bristol and people here are looking for something different we’ve had a predominantly labor Le Administration for the last four decades it would be quite good for Bristol to have something different and I think now is the time for the greens to demonstrate how we could do things
Differently and how it doesn’t need to be like it is it could hopefully be something different something more positive everyone wants different when they go to The Ballot Box don’t they but uh what what indications are you that the greens might win in May uh got our data we’ve got the fact
That we are the largest group on council at the moment um obviously under a maril model we aren’t the party of opposition of of administration we are the party of opposition instead and even in our position as opposition we’ve still managed to get some positive changes through the council um and we were
Highly so a committee system which is what we’re switching to in May is green party policy that’s what we advocated for and that’s what we got our uh administr administrative model switch to actually it was the LI Dems was old the old Council leader well I shouldn’t call
It the old Council it sounds mean uh but she was a previous Council leader Barbara Jank uh in the house of laws that actually uh got the law changed to allow for the referendum the Dems really push for this but it seems like you’re the ones to benefit from it well we
Worked collaboratively with them which is what we need to do under a committee system with all other parties um the lims favored a uh leader and cabinet model which is what they had previously green party policy is for a committee working uh model which is what we
Advocated for and that’s what we got as part of our sort of pushing the libdems to Advocate eventually for a committee model rather than a um leader and cabinet because a leader and cabinet is really no different for the mar model and so by S scrapping the mayor and
Going for a leader in cabinet it’ll be flying panire so that’s why we advocated for committee system it’s why green party policy advocates for committee systems because it’s a much more inclusive way of um representing politics in the city because it’s a very diverse City and it isn’t represented by
Any one party and it never can be and we need that plurality of you being represented within the administration and the way in which you run the council in order to make sure that it is a city for everybody not just the Viewpoint of one particular party okay so the lib
Dems uh started the process but you put your waiting behind it is that fair yeah pretty much yeah right so uh when it comes to uh policies we we covered your um over the Christmas period uh and there was a a bit a debark in um one of the uh development control committee
Meetings and then there was also following that at a full council meeting I was absolutely shocked to hear both the mayor and the I think he was the uh housing guy or the planning Tom Renard thank you so thanks Joe chipping in um that actually discussing a complaint
Against you in full Council now I mean anyone that’s ever been involved in running any kind of big organization Council business I mean as I was in the Housing Association you you just simply understand that once a complaint is started there a confidential PR I was shocked to hear the mayor and the
Um and uh Tom Renard both in the full council meeting discussing details of your complaint uh so this does suggest that there’s a bit of a deficit in governance can you say something about what you think about the way that the council is being run in terms of
Governance because I think there’s a lot of people around the city who are scratching their heads looking at this stuff say do these people really know what they’re doing yeah so it was I mean that was quite a unfortunate whole series of events so Tom Ard is a leader
Of the labor group and they pick for Leader Post May um what happened was a member of the public said something that was misheard after a planning committee meeting was misheard by a counselor she placed a complaint about that but it got it only came in through the council
Processes after the labor group labor group posted about it on Twitter calling for my resignation and then it got um repeated in full Council the thing is that in the system there that complaint um in a complaint system that you a member puts in a complaint and it stays confidential
Now if that had happened if the member had put a complaint in and it remained confidential then when the the evidence of what had actually happened uh which corrected the mishearing that the member had then that would have all been solved quickly gently behind closed doors all those misunderstandings could have been
Smoothed out everybody would have not not been upset the member of the public would have not been horrendously upset and she still is all of it would have been done dusted Before Christmas it would have all been fine but by making a political uh hooa about it it’s been
Blown up into something much more harmful than it needed to be and it’s a a complete U mockery of the complaint system as well because it goes against everything well you know what I was thinking at the time I was thinking if I were you I’d be making a complaint
Against Mary Bennett and against the mayor for talking about something confidential in a full Council me but of course I don’t men I couldn’t possibly comment on that no you didn’t you didn’t do that but you see this is the problem isn’t it you you often find uh that the
People who just want to get on and do stuff don’t make these little niggling complaints and uh but anyway what do you think about generally about about governance and about the competence of the current team I think generally there is a conception or an understanding that complaints have never been upheld by the
Monitoring officer who is the person who investigates or complaints um I mean the complaint against me wasn’t upheld uh that has been dismissed as politically motivated but I also know that complaints have been upheld towards counselors in the past as well even though well I was told complaints are
Level power that it feels like it’s a little bit of a way of dissuading people from making complaints because there’s no point because you’re gonna it’s not going to be a I’ve heard this from police officers that say well we made a complaint against ex officer and then uh
We were we were ourselves were targeted uh I mean it’s obviously it’s a very important um uh I mean I mean it may be a more extreme version Martin but we’ve been hearing this week about Northern Ireland and Stak knife and Frank scapa who was the if you want complaints
Officer for the IRA although was extremely you know this meant people would be executed uh and the fact was that he was actually working for the other side so this is a extremely uh it’s extremely important to get this right is what I’m trying to say and it’s
Also really important to uh that kind of concept and law of not you innocent until proven guilty and that has to also be part of a complaint system it has to be confidential at the beginning part in order for proper investigations to take place and then if somebody is found to
Be um factual and the complaint is upheld that’s the point then potentially the result of it could be made public and the ramifications of that whichever obviously depending on the complaint but you know the way in which the person at fault is directed to make things better
That could be public but if it’s found to not been upow found to be politically motivated but you know and just to be dismiss then it should remain confidential because that’s very damaging to people and it also completely removes any faith that people have in in a complaint system because
Then people can use a complaint system as a weapon against each other particularly in the political sphere and in other organizations as well where you get lots of politics behind closed doors as well uh the other issue at the moment which I I was amazed to see that one of
The last things that this Administration is doing assuming it doesn’t get back in in May is the massive hikes to allotment rents now what do the greens make of that and what are you going to do if you take over in May well we stood side by side with the allotment holders and
Supported them through that process uh Martin fodel who’s our chair of scrutiny for Community scrutiny made sure that we got uh the allotments on the scrutiny for communities so we got to look at it ask some questions look at it a bit more detail got to will back on some of those
Things they’ve still pushed through the the hikes um and it like with a lot of the different issues that have kind of suddenly been pushed through in this last year it’s uh something like there were so underfunding their own uh allotment service but they only did
Something about it in the last year of their Administration why didn’t they do it years ago why they waited until the last couple of the dying days of this Administration to push it through the same with a whole range of other things I’m sure you’re probably going to ask me
About in a minute as well but there’s a lot of things that have suddenly started happening now that they’ve been trying to keep off or they’ve just slipped through at the very last minute and goodness only knows what they’re going to there’s going to be waiting for
Whoever is the new Administration can we say maybe that there’s lots of little creatures creeping out from under the carpet that they’ve been sweeping under for the last few years massive crocodiles under the carpet anyway let’s have a listen now to Cabinet this week uh where we had some discussion about
The um about this whole business of upping the allotment fees uh and some pretty shocking figures as well uh I think uh we can hear now this is on Tuesday this week discussion about allotments with the mayor we can hear a bit of him as well here Tessa price
This is a joint statement written together by 14 Community projects and groups based on allotment sites across the city far from bringing new opportunities for Collective food growing these rent Rises will be really damaging for our projects and they risk closing some of us down partly we some of us may be
Financially not viable anymore we simply can’t cover our costs some of us um will have a huge amount of extra admin work created by the discounts scheme that won’t be manageable for us collectively our projects bring huge benefits to the people of Bristol giving offering a sense of community mental and phys
Physical health benefits connection with our food and with land I think we probably also save the council collectively huge amounts of money across other areas things like the reduced need for send provision the reduced need for mental health support and drug and alcohol support um probably dwarfing the increased income that’s
Going to be created by these rent Rises most of us most of our projects don’t take a penny in funding from the council we really don’t ask for much help from the council all we’re asking is that you don’t wreck what we’re doing by forcing through these ill-considered proposals
Please please don’t put through these rent Rises they are going to do so much harm to our projects yeah I mean and I please ask the I will not go if we want to shout out I’ll just stop and we’ll use out to 15 minutes I think the point I make is if
We want to enter into a discussion and the gentleman earlier on talking about informed intelligent discussion throwing words around like unhinged whatever we just used that these are not attached to anything that’s just not true they are attached to a thought process it may have produced a conclusion that you
Don’t like but they are attached to a process uh and to suggest they’re not it does not help us move forward argument and you know again as Ellie said the point of fairness is one about a finite Council budget in a city of increasing need uh in the increasing cost of
Meeting those needs means that we’re in a precarious situation and there’s not an area of local government activity that’s not been impacted of our financial situation uh we are in so addressing that context as well and and at least acknowledging it is incredibly um important uh yes so that’s uh the mayor
Marvin re there ending that little clip from this week’s cabinet meeting here in Bristol discussing the future of allotments and listening to it Annie I did get the idea that the council sort of allow these things to go on obviously they they have to sit and listen to what
People have got to say but they don’t really seem to have any intention to really listening no was quite amused that Marvin complains other people uses useful word salads when he’s the champion of the word salad which is essentially what he was doing it’s very dismissive of Resident views especially
When they’ve taken the time to turn up to Republic forum and this is always his response to them it’s really disheartening well this goes back takes us back to governance really uh and uh Joe’s got a couple of things to ask you I think about monitoring the monitoring
Officer particularly I mean yeah the the other issue there is that as as you were alluding to there’s been no no complaints upheld for the last about the last six years I think and it’s also you know it’s come to light that the the monitoring officer wasn’t even following
The law um that’s laid out in the localism ACT 2011 that says that you’ve got to have you’ve got to have an independent person to assess complaints about counselors that come in and that independent person has to be uh voted into position by full counsel by counselors which hadn’t which which
Hadn’t been happening since he’d been um monitor officer and that’s been pointed out by various members of the public who are very persistently keep bringing this up at different committees even at full Council even at full Council to the mayor and and and and the the mayor
Turns around and says I can’t I can’t comment on this this is nothing to do with me this is uh the ex you know the executive has nothing to do with the complaints procedures this is all down to this particular committee called the values and Ethics Committee and there’s
This sort of strange situation where everyone can see that the emperor is wearing no clothes but no one in the council councilors or anyone is prepared to say you know the guy the the top lawyer in the council who’s supposed to be telling everyone else how the law Works
Hasn’t been following the law you know the states how local government is supposed to work well theary thing about local government and politics generally is it’s politics and yet so much of it is classed as nonpolitical appointment even though it very everything about it is political of course it is and
Everything about all of the officers role is political even though they’re technically classed as non-political appointments which is where um for example there’s a new finance officer coming in that’s being appointed by the current Administration technically it’s a non-political appointment um the chief executive is a non-political appointment the monitoring
Officer is a non-political um appointment and therefore it’s made but it can be made by the administration it is made by the administration and so there you have political interests yes yeah exactly so it’s and yeah contradiction and particularly in a maral system that’s top down thing is
Con very concentrated and another one i’ I’d point to would be the um the chief planner you know who who you know I think was appointed as as you know in in a political sense again because there’s someone someone who used to work with the chief executive of the
Southwest region of development agency uh and was brought was brought in to fulfill a sort of politically mandated um project of how we’re going to manage the planning department and what’s going on with planning um yeah I get on to generally okay before we talk about planning a bit um
I’d like to say something about send uh because this uh special educational needs kids I mean for me this is almost of the major issues that we’ve had to deal with over the last eight years or so is the underfunding of of um the education of children with special ed I
Mean these are the people that desperately need a really decent education they need a specialist education and it’s almost as if uh well it’s survival of the fittest sorry you’re not you’re not um able-bodied enough to go to a proper School therefore uh we’re not going to be
Spending money on you so there’s something a a little bit fascistic about the uh failure to fulfill this and actually of course it’s a statutory um obligation of the council to do it now money has been spent on things like the coulston H renovation it’s been spent on
Um the Bristol energy there been absolutely tens of millions spent on these projects but they’re not seen as a priority it seems to me Annie yeah well so I have particular skin in this particular game so I’m neurodiverse myself and I also have a neurod Divergent um child who didn’t have a
School place for 3 years we had to home educate him he’s recently gone back into mainstream um provision but you know they haven’t had the Seno for the first uh term amazing school but no Seno so he’s not actually been getting the provision because our kids are not even
Even that in mainstream School aren’t being given the provision that they require to really Thrive um and it was a massive fight to get him diagnosed in the first place that that took I think five or six years to get him through that you know and it’s it’s a huge issue
It’s issue across the country but it’s particularly an issue in Bristol that we’re not taking seriously enough and it is a massive failing well there’s some good news apparently um announced by Marvin’s I’m not sure if she’s Deputy Mayor whatever she is Asher Craig um and
So that was talked about also um at cabinet on Tuesday uh so agenda item 30 uh safety evolve and this as I said earlier on was introduced under APR 16 Asher you’ll bring in this item thank you this report outlines our submission to be part of the department for
Education safet evolve program the safety valve program is intended to support local authorities to manage the historical deficits in their dedicated School Grants the terms of an agreement are not yet confirmed by the DFE but we do anticipate it to be in line with the proposal we submitted in January which
Will see funding of around 100 million this includes a contribution over 5 years from central government totaling around 54 million with a contribution from Bristol City Council of around 43 million this is a huge opportunity for Bristol to accelerate the reforms needed to help improve outcomes for children and young people with special
Educational needs and disabilities whilst operating in a financial sustainable way so uh that’s Asha Craig there speaking at cabinet on Tuesday this week Annie uh actually it’s almost like she’s got her fingers crossed there uh we hope to get this money from central government um this is a bit of an awful
Way for a big city like Bristol to be running the show isn’t it to be hoping that they’re going to get an extra Grant from the council actually what’s happened over the the decades is that the central government has been cutting back and cutting back the amount of
Money that um that they’re giving to local authorities to carry on it’s fact slowly starving us mhm so again I mean part of this is a government that’s issue something that they knew was a problem and they hid it until the very last minute and snuck it out at this
Point when we only I think it had like five minutes to spare on uh member member questions that could people could have been asked when they put it out on the Monday to come to cabinet on the Tuesday so the very last last possible minute not meeting even their minimum
Statutary regulations for this um but also yeah whole basis of maybe they can get some stuff from Central government this is on the basis that we’re all fairly sure that when there’s a next general election it’s going to be a labor government labor fairly sure that they are going to take the
Administration and labor have also said the government and labor have also said that they’re not going to give local government and local authorities any more money than we’re already getting so therefore the whole premise of this is Highly Questionable because on one hand the current labor Administration is
Tying the next Administration into this for 6 years CU that’s how long it runs for which is long than the term with the next Administration cuz that would be a 4-year term they’re tying it into something on a wing and a promise of that a future central government may or
May not give to us it all feels very dirty and it the only people that are going to people are really going to suffer is going to be the children and it’s I think it’s a really despicable thing to do at this stage of an Administration well surely I mean at
Least they’ put in an application for this money I mean at least they’re trying to get some money from central government it’s it’s surely is it’s it’s actually not local authorities fault I mean one of the labor people will argue is saying well we’re just having to cope
With these cuts from central government it’s not really our fault I mean just asking and like I say fingers behind your back potentially it’s not really quite good enough it’s something that has been facing us for a very long time and we’ve already not given enough School provision places knowing that a baby
Boom was at its peak 10 years a ago not making any provision for that it’s it’s too l or too late and it’s it’s also just a bit of a gamble that doesn’t seem to pay off and it isn’t going to actually mean anything good for children
Um let’s there’s hope that some of this money comes through but it would be not much nicer if the council just prioritized this a little bit more than they do uh some of the other pet projects uh listen we had a budget in central government this week I always
Look at those Jeremy Hunt whenever I see him heart sinks uh I just thinking oh yes this is the guy that said there’d be no top- down reorganization of the National Health Service and then he did a top down reorganization of the National Health Service which caused
Absolute chaos around 2012 and then he went into uh the department for culture media and Sport uh and he got rid of all the rules for local um commercial radio stations to be uh actually local and so you got big companies like Global taking up every single
Uh license and saying well that license that you won well I’ll tell you what we’ll have it now so there isn’t really such a thing anymore as commercial local radio so he’s now in charge of all of our money which really made my heart sick but anyway uh but the the week
Before I think it was uh that the budget was passed here now this is a deal which uh I think the greens objected to but uh it was the conservatives and labor together that got it through so this is a this is a bit potentially worrying model where you’ve SE the two main
Opposition parties actually saying you know I tell you what let’s just get into bed with each other and make sure this budget goes through so what did you make of that whole dearle yeah I mean I think it’s very concerning that um labor would rather side and make a deal with the
Conservatives when they would work with us um as you the people closest to them on the political Spectrum they’d rather not work with us they’d rather work with the conservatives and we will cut out from a real collaborative approach to this budget that will um be the budget that the future
Administration has to work with and you know they think it’s going to be us as much as we think it’s going to be us and yet they didn’t didn’t actually involve the green party in forming that budget in any way whatsoever when it came to amendments all that was left was little
Pots where you’re kind of moving s stealing from Peter to feed Paul and actually there’s not a lot of those little pots left so that we we managed to identify one very small more pot that was possibly being used for knife crime and one bit which we could move to use
For a different bit of knife crime but like it’s not it’s not that’s is not that’s not a collaborative approach to the budget well look uh I remember George Ferguson when he took over he was rather deaf moving stuff from one budget to another even though he’d been told
You got to use it for this you find some way of using it for something else in order to keep the services running uh whereas that doesn’t really happen and as part of that the planning um Department of Bristol city council has been absolutely denuded of staff I mean
Planners are experts in what they do if they’re going to get it right also they tend to be hoofed out or elbowed out if they don’t come out with the right decisions in this present Administration so Joe I’d just like you to uh ask uh Annie a few questions about planning
Because this week we’ve had the announcement it’s funny because we had our discussion about Mar Port immediately there was a an announcement I think it was the following Monday uh in the Bristol Post that the government was thinking of uh bringing Bristol planning under central government control and they’ve now actually done
That haven’t they yeah yeah they they’ve done it for um non- major applications so it’s not the really big stuff um but it’s it’s um applications that I think are 10 dwellings or less or under half a hectare um and they now go to the planning inspectorate rather than brussell City council’s Planning
Department which um and I I think from what I understand that that that actually came as quite a shock to um the chief planner and and and and the the senior Council officers who who didn’t think they were actually that was actually going to happen but they have
Now basically been been putting special measures and this that that is a consequence of uh well basically the a huge backlog um in planning applications how how many I I I don’t know the number but it’s been it’s been building up I think it’s about 1,000 700 if I remember
Rightly I mean they are one of the worst in the in in the country and that was a problem when the last head planner left Gary Collins last year and they brought in a in a in a new Chief planner reformed sort of Reform the service this
And this was going to uh you know try and streamline the the the uh the process uh and sort sort this out um but that hasn’t Happ that hasn’t happened and and and this is and it’s as you said this is it’s well it’s under resourced yeah but it’s also it’s also a
Question of losing an here is chair of one of the planning committees and we’ve got to be quite careful because you’re not allowed to talk about specific applications but do you want to ask her a few things about how we’ve ended up with um Joe with this situation I mean
What yeah sort of a thing the thing that I’ve been writing about talking about recently is the is the the the the political pressure on the uh planning department and um but that is something you you know I believe you you’ve been aware or you were aware of quite a while
Ago yeah um but I guess and this this pressure is coming specifically from the mayor’s office um and then what you could see with uh the the the samary leport application in in historic heart Bristol that I wrote along the piece about was that you you you you have uh you have
Planning officers who have uh basically said to developers this this application isn’t acceptable on this this case it was the height scale the massing of these office blocks um and then they are those same officers are then recommending that there application for approval um and
Um yeah I don’t know if you you’ve got anything to say about that I have many things to that um yeah so to to start um so planning is a regulatory body and so the Bristol city council is the planning Authority and that’s regulatory again supposed to be
Nonpolitical um but then planning as a strategy and where we build things is a political strategic activity which comes directly under the mayor’s own portfolio under in the cabin in the cabinet that’s his own things exactly um so it’s a bit of a contradiction and those lines get a
Little bit blurred especially when the council is the applicant for something and so we saw it with utri Farm we saw see it with gorm for example which is a bit of a arms length kind of company to which is a planning it’s the so the building company the housing housing
Company um which is technically arms length a little bit like bu way but it’s also basically also the council’s um company and then those lines get a bit blurred because you end up with officers who are planning officers and officers who are the applicants sat there side by side doing the same thing
And sometimes passing themselves off as just an officer and because we have such of a change around in planning officers all the time it’s hard to keep up with who faces who and so so sometimes I can be talking to somebody and it’s only halfway for the conversation I realize
That actually they’re not a planning officer they are the applicant officer doing the site visit or representing um because they’ll come uh like at a planning committee for example Council officers have a habit of sitting on the benches where the counselors are I’ve started moving them off to the
Other end so it’s a little bit clearer who is the applicant who is the planning officer because we often have uh additional planning officers there like somebody from Highway somebody from leagal that sort of thing to give additional advice should be need to during a committee so that muddies the
Water quite a lot and then because planning itself is a strategic um political it means and strategic as well it is the very clear aim of the administration to get certain things passed and therefore it does put planning officers in a tricky position because the council’s their employer at
The end of the day and the thing is is that when it in law and in planning law and in our policies as well planning policies there is an element of open to interpretation most things aren’t that black and white um balance it’s weighing out the balance is that’s what which
They always say and you get every for all these big applications and this is how the planning system works is that you’ve got to you’ve got to weigh up public benefits against s that may be caused exactly so yeah but I mean we had this
Week and you um gave a statement at the the meeting about um the the tallest building ever that’s ever going to be built that’s now going to be built in uh in Bristol it’s 28 story student accommodation Tower um and so so so you’ve got again you got this
Conversation about the the harms versus benefits but a as you did in the St Mary leport application um but as far as I can see they’ve done exactly the same thing was what they did at Samar Port is is remove totally remove what the specialist conservation officers were
Saying take it out of the report and if you look through the report for this one that went through this week There’s No mention of of a conservation officer the advice they’ve given and this this is the tallest building ever to buil in bristell that stands right next to the
Oldest grade one listed building in the City St James’s prior this 12th century church so and you know you’ve got youve got legal precedent in in in in 2021 um the uh the the lewisham council in London were told were told by a high court judge uh that their planning per had to
Be quashed for exactly this reason they they hadn’t shown the advice of the conserv the council’s own conservation offers um but so you know as far as I can see that they’re not acting lawfully but the but the thing with the planning system is that that can only be
Challenged by someone doing a judicial review in um in the high court like like they did with Lam Council and that requires tens of thousands of pounds so that’s another aspect of it that you can you know which allows them to tread this this this
Line um and um get this get the stuff through mhm yeah and it disadvantages uh the everyday resident doesn’t it yes I remember on on Wednesday when the the high building came um officers advised that yes there was massive harm to the conservation areas around it to the
Heritage assets to the local community to the the fact it could have breached the council’s own um policies on student density as well and transient um population density despite all those things on balance yeah they can say that for you know yeah anything you can you
Can choose it on balance yeah as long as you give everything due regard then um and consideration you can but yeah but you but they they do they are supposed to follow a process of giving the councilors who are voting all the information they need the information
From all all the consules within the transport the the design officers and and and there that they’re filtering that did you clock the advice that was given to councilors at the very beginning part of the meeting about the dangers of actually going against officer recommendation that was very
Concerning so is that normal for them to warn you how dare you make sure you don’t go against what the officers were that’s what it came across like I mean that’s that’s what it was that’s why yeah it wasn’t particularly subtle that was yeah if you go against this planning um recommendation
Then I mean it’s finish finish the sentence though what’s the consequence so well what are they suggesting the s that the council would have to be liable for all of the costs on appeal and would lose on appeal yeah which has always been the Veiled Threat that gets sometimes more
Explicitly made and sometimes a little bit more ctly made at various points when it seemed like we’re going to overturn offic recomendation it’s certainly a repeat conversation I have with um the head of planning off of committee about trying to make sure that I make a committee follow the office of
Recommendation which is not my job um but to have it made quite so explicitly is um unusual but the the other thing that one of the things that troubles me about the planning committees is is the way that the counselors are so reliant on the officers Direction and and and advice and opinion
And it seems to me that I you know very very few of those councilors even the ones that have sat on those planning committees for years have actually read the local plan and the national planning policy framework which the two documents that all planning applications are assessed against and you you always
Getting these very basic questions going to the the case officer um is what is what is the what is the training that the um the the councilors on the Committees get well I mean obviously they’re not on the whole they’re not lawyers or um planning professionals no yeah there are a couple
Actually who do have planning um professional planning experience and and law degrees as well so there are a couple of counselors who do have that understanding um but in terms of the trading generally it’s more about understanding what material consideration is and what some of the elements of it are there certainly the
Deep dive into our policies is something that councilors are left to do a little bit more themselves um on my committees I’m always very keen for it to not just be a rubber stamping exercise I think it’s really important that uh as a regulatory body a planning committee
Follows so serve the same kind of process as a scrutiny committee in many ways of scrutinizing is this really the do does the do the councilors actually agree with the office of recommendation and scrutinizing a little more because their own critical faculties their own judgment and I my
Planning committee um has rejected or got overturned officer recommendation quite a few times which has caused a lot of questions and but I think the wrong questions as it’s not um why are we rejecting the offic of recommendation what can be done to make has follow the office of recommendation I think the
Question is why is the officer of recommendation so wildly different so often to the members who have taken into account their residents the residents of Bristol’s views because that’s who were there to to serve and that’s who we there to represent and so is the planning Authority and what the planning
Authority should be saying is okay so the counselors are listening to their residents and not agreeing with our recommendations why we so outstep with what our residents want and what our residents need and what they’re asking for because the overwhelming reason for um voting against officer recommendation
Is because it’s just not good enough you know that balance of it’s not well that’s that’s the thing with with this week you know you you could just say 20 28 stories is too high you know historic England was saying this just this needs to take eight stories off and then it
Might be reasonable still not going to be great but it’s then reasonable um but there seems to be no appetite even to to push the developers to do that no well I mean there there was a desire from the mayor’s office for tour buildings they like that they like quite
As like as to S of be a bit more like Manchester in that regard um but I think explicitly what was being included in the application in those 28 stories and the lower block as well is something that we don’t need or should shouldn’t be advocating for in Bristol
What do you make of the the iron Annie that it now looks as if there may not be the money the finance available for uh this big development in the city C to go ahead so there’s a massive battle over whether they can actually get the uh planning application through S Mary
Report and then suddenly they say well no it doesn’t look like the money stacks up anymore maybe the economy’s changed we’re in recession and so uh doesn’t it doesn’t it feel sometimes like the whole thing’s a bit of a pointless exercise we welcome to politics sometimes um yeah I
Mean the amount of planning applications that have been approved that are just sat there not being built so plots of empty land you know that is one of the real problems we’ve got about the housing cles that developers just sit on on builds they make applications they
Don’t necessarily build it or they build it and they don’t necessarily rent it out immediately they certainly don’t sell it or put it all onto the market at the same time they sit on this stuff to inflate the market right here in St Paul’s we’ve got a massive piece of land
That was I think it was um one of the big housing associations um bought uh bit by bit and it’s just been must best part of a decade it’s just been sitting there is that a bit behind circum media yeah B Birds Landing on it sort of looking around well nothing much going
Here taking off again every now and again there seems to be some kind of like circus come in and set up shop and then go but this of course his prime house building down right near the city center isn’t there green policy well Tony D was talking about um a couple of
Months ago about this green oh about empty homes and yeah so two things one I was going to say if you me the big piece of land just behind uh circum edian or by the garage there there is outline planning that came through um DCB a
Couple maybe six months ago I think so that there is something but just outlines it will take a while longer for to go but yeah exactly it’s like a big empty plot of land empty homes that was em motion that we brought um in when was it December I think um L
Track of time uh to look explicitly at all of the empty properties that we’ve got see what can be brought back into use and because if you look at how many empty properties that we’ve got that would actually make a sizable uh dent in our uh homelessness um list the amount of
For people we’ve got that don’t have accommodation there’s um there are obiously empty blocks offices and blocks that were residential that are just empty there’s one by the beacon for example called Mia Court that’s been boarded up for years and years that could be brought back into use there’s
Loads of units across the city think you should beaing with uh my other hat which is Bristol Housing action the local squatting group because there’s quite a lot of people who would be very happy to use some of those buildings as somewhere to stay but you’re going to have to get
Cracking any second now so let’s uh quickly have a listen to another clip from Tuesday uh which is about UT tree farm and just a little bit of context this is a council owned Farm uh where the there’s been all sorts of attempts to Grub up um
Uh well basically to use the land for other things and maybe you can tell us what’s going on there when we hear this clip from uh from Tuesday Annie Dan you have a minute it’s great that this council is applyed for money from the west of England green Recovery Fund but
What’s the point of saying your proactively formed relationships with stakeholders and communities across the city why would anybody engage with this Council I mean you have forums and consultations to communicate with the public but you just ignore them when they don’t go along with your plans this
Council has a real problem with only talking to people who will agree with what you want the council to do and talking about things that make you look good you had a farmer who cared for a site of nature conservation interest but it appears you don’t like to hear about
Protected species instead you’ve put someone in charge who has a clear desire to develop on that land we can’t even expect the cabinet member for Ecology to speak out about what is happening at U Farm because the company they work for has retro for a client who expressed an
Interest in building on that land why would anyone talk to you when you only talk to people when it’s convenient for you yeah that’s a pretty damning um uh well it wasn’t really a question statement what’s happening with utree Farm because this is quite obviously the the council is trying to
Make sure that the bits and pieces of land which are farming land producing food that sort of thing that they do control are being kept productive but apparently that’s not happening at utree No so at utree there’s three different parts of the farm that owned by different organizations or different
People so there’s a part of the farm that is owned by the council and that’s a bit that the cemeter is being expanded into uh which is the one that came to uh the planning committee back in November um that’s an snci so a special site of nature interest conservation interest um
Which has got dormice and all sorts of protective species on it uh and then there’s a different part of it also part of an snci um I believe that red row are trying to expand into and build homes onto and then there’s a different bit again which I’m not even sure what’s
Going on that bit but um that had a hedro chopped down at several points I think there was an application that was put in to chop down the Hedge R the planning department didn’t um respond to it in time and so therefore they got a permission by default so then this bit
Of the hedro was chopped out and and there’s ancient trees there over 200 year old trees um and part of the HED R was chopped out but in the wrong place according to the application but bigger than it needed to be and they put concrete in all sorts of things it’s and
Also dmice bre season is March and I know they were back there today doing some things as well so there’s a and even Wildlife trust objected in the strongest terms to the cemetery expansion into that part of utree farm and that was completely dismissed at planning um and they were dismissers not
Knowing what they’re talking about um and even the wildlife trust I believe have issued a cease and desist on the council to make them try to get them to stop doing action and to provide enforcement there so that nobody is doing any work on that land and that’s
Not what happened uh what about this this conflict of interest this is what bothers me so much about Council uh counselors Council officers that are also Moonlighting for a company that’s got an interest in a particular site yeah I mean this is a this is a very
Very clear U example of conflict of interest because you’ve got uh as it was Dan Dan akroy who was giving that statement in the in the Council on the clip which just heard um talking about the the the the the labor cabinet lead for Ecology so this this this whole
Situation at utree Farm um is absolutely about uh ecology and what council ecology officers are doing and um um and he’s he’s this is Marley councelor Marley Bennett um who also works for the planning and development consultancy Turley um who have this housing developer redro as one of their clients
Um so how is it is it the question is is it feasible for him to speak out you know about what’s happening to this ancient hedro that goes around this plot of land where one of the clients for the company that he works for want to build
Houses you know what I’m thinking about we need to go back to the monitoring officer again we were talking about this earlier on there needs to be an ey on this sort of thing surely to make sure that you haven’t got people on both side of the chess board sitting in the same
Committee making the same discussion uh decisions so obviously all counselors are required to declare their interests um some of those I think you can keep confidential if it’s particularly sensitive so people don’t necessarily know about them um but then there’s also a a quantity of when it comes to
Predetermination and that sort of thing the bar is actually quite low high which I don’t know which way around but like in terms of if you can sit there and say I’ve come to this with an open mind or or I’m I can confidently say I’m not predetermined on this issue then that’s
Good enough I mean it’s really the best thing to do say look I mean you you’ve got your own planning committee there if you want to have an extension to your house out the back Garden surely what you do is during that committee you hand over the chair to somebody else and walk
Out the door it would well I mean if my landlord wanted to build an extension on the house I rent then yes i’ I would still recuse myself but yes not everybody I mean when the counselor brings has any kind of planning application that has to come to
Committee as a kind of we don’t do that under delegated in order to make uh full of transparency of that sort of thing um but yeah in terms of employment there’s a lot of people actually who do work for organizations that then like I believe somebody worked
For the applicant on the zoo um and then sat on that people do do it but um we kind of forget some of the big changes that there have been under Marvin Ree and that is getting rid of Bristol Zoo uh do you do you want to just remind us of the
Title of your article um Joe where you do quite a deep look into some of the conflicts of interests and the friends of friends who’ve been recruited into the city council to help with getting planning applications through if you look at my substack so I wrote a very
Long um piece about hang on it’s a look be be honest it’s a book it’s a book yeah if well don’t put people off Tony but there is a short version but it’s um but but it’s through looking through this particular development Samar report that I was talking about last time I was
On but also trying to give a a a bigger overview of the the the plan the the the the situation Planning Development in Bristol and it applies to other cities but it’s it’s it’s it’s the revolving it’s a conflicts of interest the revolving door between the the public and the private
Sector um and the in Bristol it’s about the the the the the pressure from the mayor’s office on the planning department um and um yeah we we’re seeing I think consequences of this in in the fact the planning department is now under special measures that’s that’s
Part of it there are other factors but it’s part of it um but you’re still it’s still going on you know we saw this this week with the the the tallest building is ever going to be built ever to have been built in Bristol which went through
This week I think that they’re still doing the same stuff that I’ve been that I was writing about in there you know they’re still pushing their specialist officers keeping them out of the reports not giving counselors the full information um and and and and trying and you know trying to especially now
With a couple of months left of this uh maral system you know trying to get these big applications through um while they can are they getting them through your committee no um you can read into that what you will as also um we’ve got um we’ve got uh the
Mayor has announced that he’s applying for this job when he finishes un habitat which is looking after the urban environment right across the world for the United Nations do you think he’s got a good chance of of getting that job and how do you think he’d get on if he does
Yeah I mean he talks a good talk but he doesn’t walk it very well um it would be I think very disappointing for the climate should he actually and habitat gem should he get that job but I’m not on his interview panel so I couldn’t
Possibly tell you feel G I wish you were but anyway we can wish away can’t we uh also We’ve Got This Clean Air Zone this has caused quite a lot of trouble particularly um a lot of people saying well it’s actually not uh making the air any cleaner cuz people go around the
Zone drive further produce more pollution um and uh particularly the the sort of non-green inside of this cuz people are having to sell cars perfectly good cars that work very well but and buy new ones so it’s almost like a kind of helpto buy scheme for the car industry as well so
What do you approve of the Clean Air Zone do you think it’s really about clean air and is it going to stay I mean the CLE we wouldn’t have implemented this scheme in this way is the starting point of it we wouldn’t have done this cuz it’s not it’s all
Been a bit of a hot mess um and it’s sort of been almost set up to fail in quite a lot of ways but then that goes with quite a lot of our walking and as I act to travel infrastructure historically it has walking and cycling in conflict with each other rather than
Um complimentary um methods of travel well the other Maj major thing is we’ve been cutting buses haven’t we right right the way through Co and since covid loads of buses cut something like I think a total of 30% of all the buses bus Journeys in Bristol uh so the idea
Is if you’re not going to you want to get people to use the bus the bus has got to be there yeah I mean replacement cars is the one kind of carrot we want kind of more buses um as as part of the solution but also making it safer to
Walk and travel and cycle around and those ways of of uh transport but also they’re making it so that people who do need to drive people who are doing trades vehicle people with mobility issues who L badge holders for example they do need to drive and we want to
Make it so that they can they do need to get to the hospital they do need and there’s lots of things that we could do to make it more accessible to get to the hospital for example but none of that is happening and actually everybody’s being disadvantaged and disenfranchised except
For the people who can afford to drive in is it just a way of making money is that what it’s really about or is it really about clean air what do you think I mean I’ve been looking over the obviously I’ve lived in the city many years and I’ve seen a lot of
Restrictions uh of um roads making them narrower cutting roads off this has actually done I think more to reduce uh traffic in the C Center than the Zone has well I I mean they were made to do it that’s the thing is that they didn’t particularly want to do it they were
Forced to do it and they did it at the very very last minute in the worst possible way so what the actual aims of it are um slightly by the Buy in terms of the way in which they’ve implemented it is it going to expand you think under the
Greens I don’t know I mean definitely look at um parking zones Central Parking zones resident parking zones how they work how they operate because they had massive price hikes recently as well um making sure it’s Equitable making sure it covers all the areas that people want
It to as well um there’s a lot of things that need to be looked at and reconsidered and re-evaluated as to does this work has this actually been set up to cause conflict or to exasperate an issue rather than solve it that it’s a m
Piece of work that we’ll have to do okay and are we going to see our first green MP in Bristol do you think uh when come the general election let’s hope the looking you’re in central W here so uh there’s this new Central umen constituency I mean I’m myth that
They’ve called it after mine but um okay what what she what’s she guess I I think she’s got a bigger chance yeah but who is standing it’s Cara all right okay who is co-leader of the green party nationally as well and current counselor for Clifton down well thanks very much
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Part one uh and me Tony Gosling also Joe Banks is still with us and we’re now uh joined also by Judith Brown hi Judith uh nice to see you uh hi Tony thanks for inviting me and you’re back from the Middle East recently uh I you had a bit
Of an illness which is a shame because you couldn’t do quite as much as you wanted to no indeed but uh anyway it was sunny good yes it is H and sunny man Sunny what are you a lizard man anyway um so what what uh what are your
Thoughts about the recent developments I mean you you can maybe you could just start by telling us something about your connection to Yemen because very few people really seem to understand this country uh and it is a relatively recent recently created country uh if you look
At it historically it’s kind of part of Saudi Arabia part of the araban Arabian Peninsula you’ve got it you’ve got it completely wrong Tony um y Yemen is as old as China um it’s it’s been within the same boundaries with the same people and and more or less the same um
Languages for um uh it’s as old as China and it’s they’re the two they’re the two oldest countries in the world and it’s a country that wasn’t carved up but by the British they did try to take um the South um but it’s it’s back now um but
They didn’t rename it they didn’t give it a different name where and am man too was um was it was its own country but nearly all of the other countries in the Middle East and Arabia were created including Saudi Arabia of course which was created by the British in 1934 I
Think this is the syes Pico agreement which was secret am I right Martin the Russians revealed that After the Revolution they they’d seen it or something I think so yes it was a secret agreement but the Bolsheviks said well because they got access to the because
The Russians were involved in it as well so they and OB actually Saudi Arabia wasn’t created by the P Pico Arrangement it was created um the uh British um soes Pico is after World War I um yes it was and it was it it involved the French and
And the British and it involved the um the Levant you know the um um where Syria Jordan Lebanon and Palestine is now mostly but the uh the British created Saudi Arabia and they did it by um um there was a small sect called The wahabis Who were very
Extremist and they um they they sort of like got them to join with a family called the SS and then they sort of um created this sort of like extremist State and which initially was was quite successful militarily it took part of Yemen um which is now the South um West
Corner of Saudi Arabia but Yemen is a very ancient land and um and and I think that of course I think that it for many years it was the for many centuries really it was the richest um country in the world um and because it controlled trade because it’s in the middle there
Between um Africa Asia Europe they’re now doing a again yeah indeed they are and uh it controlled trade and it um it also particularly control the incense trade and it also um uh uh control the coffee trade through its Port mcka so um so for many years it was a very wealthy
Country and I think that’s was what what has been quite interesting is that it built these like amazing buildings and then because Yemen became poor people didn’t knock the buildings down but they stayed living in these ancient buildings so you’ve got things like the old city
In s 3,000 years old which is still being lived in okay well this is a big big big big big question here and I’m not sure if you’re going to be able to answer it but I mean we obviously got um quite a lot of these UNESCO world
Heritage sites in Yemen because it’s such a brilliant hot bed of History uh and yet it’s been being pounded by the British and the Saudis for the last decade or so so is anything left well I think yes I think that there’s parts of the old city I think
They altogether they dropped three major bombs on it and that that demolished some houses and and and also damaged quite a lot more but um and and there are certain other sort of like uh important sites um that that have been damaged um but of course the most
Important site in in Yemen really which was one of the top UNESCO sites was the island of Catra which the yemenis had been amazing custodians of um it’s um it was completely unique um and it was completely uncivilized we actually they built a Runway there in in um 1999 and
We were one of the first people who went there as tourists David and I and uh and they didn’t have they didn’t have roads and they didn’t have an airport but they had a Runway and when we flew in we were actually met by the minister of Tourism
Which is quite incredible but now I think did you have to show your passport no because we were flying from Yemen to Yemen oh all right very bit like London City Airport I was thinking cuz they’re not showing their passports a lot of the planes landing uh in London City Airport
Either but look I mean there’s also of course the horrific um death toll in Yemen this is Al jazer reporting yeah uh nearly 400,000 deaths uh by the end of what’s that 2022 22 yeah yes by the end of 2021 this is quite an old
Report uh as I as a from memory I think it was up over nearly half a million people in Yemen been killed at that point I mean that’s horrific I think not only sort of like killed um uh but I think that a lot of deaths have been
Caused by starvation because there was a very long embargo in which the British government and I think was a part indeed and when Cola happened the soldiers went in and bombed the water water supply the sewage Supply and the and the cola hospitals they bombed a a brand new
Hospital built by msf in um which was dedicated to Cola um as soon as as soon as color outbreak started so um I mean there have been horrific things going on on there and I think that um they were hoping that they were going to have
Peace the OM man um uh negotiated peace deals with all of the factions in in Yemen which is now quite divided with lots of Warlords con controlling their little part of Yemen and the Accords were going on quite well Saudi Arabia agreed to pay all of the civil servants
In Yemen um and uh who haven’t been paid since about 2017 when the central bank was closed um by Hardy um and then the Americans decided that they’d send an Envoy along to help along the peace talks and of course since then they’ve collapsed right well uh those
Yemeni people must be um pretty angry against the West in a way it’s this war has been a recruiting Sergeant um for because they are really the only country which is putting in major support for the Palestinian cause in Gaza aren’t they they are although I having said
That although I think that the Hui regime um now is popular throughout the Arab world um and was popular many years ago in Yemen um but it has lost its popularity because it’s as corrupt as everyone else so um and uh so I I think that uh a lot of yemenis
Um they accept that that the hois um control um well not half of Yemen but the the the the part of Yemen that’s got most of the population in it I mean it’s an acceptance but of course the houis are the old related to the old monarchy
Which people had had a revolution to get rid of so so therefore um uh but they descendants of of the old of the um of the old uh king or whatever he called himself of of Yemen that was deposed in the 1960s so uh the huis have a sort of
Like a mixed reputation in Yemen at the moment I think people are disappointed because last year they were hoping for Peace Accords which meant that they would get it employment back and things going back to normal in Yemen but in fact now they’ve got they’ve got bombs
Coming again um but in the rest of the Arab world I mean people sort of keep telling me this is amazing because they know that I’ve got connections with Yemen and they keep sending me sort of like notes saying this is fantastic they’ve been talking about it on on
Television in Tunisia or whatever and uh and everybody thinks the hoies are amazing so um so well I think we we can say on this show we do too exactly although of course we don’t want to see anyone killed uh you know this is sending a very clear signal Martin isn’t
It to the British the Americans the Israelis that uh if you want to keep trading through the Red Sea through the SE Canal uh you’re going to have to stop killing Palestinians stop killing garans well when you say people haven’t been killed they have been killed people
Killed by the Americans and the British and T you know they’ve killed the Emy soldiers and there’s some s that died this week on a ship an American registered ship which theth Anala as I prefer to call them attack because of course the houthis is what the their opponents call them and
Of course it’s possibly legit but I think it’s you know the use of language helps people to sort of frame things you know well yies will do yeah yeah and but anyway the point is that what they’ve been doing is is very powerful because it’s commercially uh I mean the Israeli
Econom is in freeall partly as a result of this and they were and they weren’t doing fullon attacks they they’ve kept the escalation ladder very carefully they they weren’t attacking British and American ships either they’re just retaliating when the British and Americans attacked them and other ships are being allowed through although there
Was some report this week that the these uh Fiber Optic Cables have been cut but the EM the yemenis said that they didn’t do that I don’t think that they’d be able to do well exactly it’s quite difficult to do it in any case that’s just just if that happens that’s a
General attack on the whole a story on Middle East I the picture of a rather low in the water well it’s sinking ship uh sunk by a houy missile attack um did it sever the Red Sea internet cables uh damage to fiber optic cables in the Red
Sea is laid bare how vulnerable global internet traffic is to disruption the lack of alternative routes through the Middle East so uh is this um what do you what do you think is it well I think an awful an awful just switch there’s a lot of psychological warfare going on
They’re trying to make justify what they’re doing they’re trying to find a posy to go and fight fight in Yemen and and of course the way it’s being pushed in our media we’ve got to do this because it’s keeping global trade going they’re just trying to destroy the world
Economy that is not as I see it what they’ve been doing they’ve been very very cautious about escalating and I don’t think they would do something I me they’ve said they said we didn’t do it cuz that’s just a random attack on random stuff which is not what we’re
About you see and also we were discussing last week weren’t we how easy it is uh to put a signature of some other country on an internet attack of some sort and of course if you cut a cable that could be all sorts of different people the stream 2 pipeline
As we all know was blown up by Putin this this sends a very clear message to all of the um it obsessed security structures around the world all look the emis are cutting your surveillance lines and and so there may well be a psychic element to that anyway how do you think
It’s going this campaign of the hoties to stop this traffic through the Red Sea through through the sew well it’s it’s amazing because um in in history there’s not been anyone with a who hasn’t had a large Navy and a lot of money that’s been able to um enforce an embargo and
Yemen is the first country that hasn’t got a large Navy and and hasn’t got much money that’s actually been able to enforce because of the missile technology that they’re using it’s because of the missile technology and In fairness it’s because there’s a very narrow Gap at the Babel mandab and so
Therefore they that’s that is gmany Waters the Babor mandab and uh and traffic that goes up the Red Sea and then along the seis Canal has to go through the Babel mandab so that’s the the the reason is because they’ve got a very narrow um part to um to um uh to
Actually control but the M the missiles are a sophisticated ated and um and uh and Gem is is is designing them themselves and producing what we probably going to hear all over our news programs here is oh that they are they’re really just proxies for Iran Yemen Yemen is aren’t proxies for anyone
They’re very independent people and um and uh well in fact funnily enough before the 2015 ranu supports everybody who’s sort of like a protest or a group actually were supporting the southern Yemen who wanted to succeed from North Yemen and and become independent again so it wasn’t until after the start of
The war um that uh that Iran became involved in Yemen and um and it wasn’t until um sah the ex-president was killed by by the hoies I’ll say it’s the hoies because there’s an interesting um uh reason for that that it was um uh uh it they they actually did call themselves
The hes at one point they named themselves after um a mar who was killed and but they’ve more recently taken on the name Anala and uh yes so um i’ I’ve forgotten my point uh well I I will move things on a little bit if you don’t mind
Because this time last week we had the most bizarre thing on the home front we’re talking about here with rishy sunak coming out around about 7:00 in the evening outside Downing Street whilst one of those wonderful protesters you can hear them screaming away in the background against the War uh he’s he’s
Explaining and here’s a um a short excerpt from his talk uh all about how dangerous it is to uh for the British people to elect somebody like George Galloway we are a country where we love our neighbors and we are building Britain together but I fear that our great
Achievement in building the world world’s most successful multiethnic multifaith democracy is being deliberately undermined there are forces here at home trying to tear us apart since October the 7th there have been those trying to take advantage of the very human angs that we all feel about the terrible suffering
That war brings to the innocent to women and children to advance a divisive hateful ideological agenda on too many occasions recently our streets have been hijacked by small groups who are hostile to our values and have no respect for our Democratic Traditions membership of our society is contingent on some simple things that
You abide by the rule of law and that change can only come through the peaceful Democratic process threats of violence and intimidation are alien to our way of doing things they must be resisted at all times nearly everyone in Britain supports these basic values but there are small and vocal hostile groups who
Do not islamist extremists and the far right feed off and embolden each other they are equally desperate to pretend that their violence is somehow Justified when actually these groups are two sides of the same extremist coin neither group except that change in our country can only come through the peaceful
Democratic process both loathe the pluralist modern country we are both want to set Britain against Britain to weaponize the evils of anti-Semitism and anti-muslim hatred for their own ends the faith of Islam peacefully practiced by millions of our fellow citizens is emphatically not the same thing as the extreme political ideology of islamism
Which aims to separate Muslims from the rest of society islamist extremists and far-right groups are spreading a poison that poison is extremism it aims to drain us of our confidence in ourselves as a people and in our shared future they want us to doubt ourselves to doubt each other to doubt our country’s
History and achievements they want us to accept a moral equivalence between Britain and some of the most despicable regimes in the world they want us to believe that our country and the West more generally is solely responsible for the world’s ills and that we along with
Our allies are the problem in short they want to destroy our confidence and hope we must not allow that to happen when these groups claim that Britain is and has been on the wrong side of History we should reject it and reject it again no country is perfect but I am enormously
Proud of the good that our country has done our place in history is defined by the sacrifices our people have made in the service of their own freedom and that of others and when these groups tell our children that they cannot and will not succeed because of who they are
When they tell children that the system is rigged against them or that Britain is a racist country this is not only a lie but a cynical attempt to crush young dreams and turn impressionistic Minds against their own Society I stand here as our country’s first non-white prime minister leading
The most diverse government in our country’s history if you listen to Rishi Sun at there he’s he’s attempting to pretend to be evenhanded but what he’s ultimately saying is that people who protest against the the genocide in Gaza are extremists meanwhile he’s got people in his own party who say that sadik Khan
Who’s the democratically elected mayor of London is controlled by islamists whereas in actual fact Al-Qaeda was created by Iron intelligence services in the 1980s to fight the Russians everybody knows that don’t they yeah Margaret Thatcher created Al-Qaeda and Isis was created to fight fight the C
Exactly so I mean I mean I wrote a letter to the London review books years ago about this and said we all know do we not that Al-Qaeda was created by our intelligence Services Robin Cook who was a foreign secretary said Al-Qaeda just means the base it’s a a database held in
A man Jordan of all the people from all over the world recruited trained by our own intelligence Services Special Forces and pushed into into Afghanistan many of them from Tripoli in Libya the Libyan Islamic fighting group what to cook we yes I know and in other words maybe
Maybe next week we will have a little look at that well I know but but but REI soon of course knows nothing about any of these things he’s never heard of of uh uh Mary McCarthy who was shot dead que University belf 23 years old ironic to me is he’s talking about
Forces here in the UK trying to tear us apart small groups well I look at the cabinet and I think well actually what you’re doing by supporting genocide is is creating a massive Fisher in the UK indeed well I I mean I’ve been protesting on behalf of Palestine for
Decades now and I’ll have to say this I’ve been onot so many marches and they always represented diverse um section of people um black people white people um Asian people Muslims Jews Christians yes always Jews there and always identifying themselves as Jews saying you know with
Placards saying not in my name um and then of course some in traditional uh Jewish clothes so so yes um uh it’s so so I think that the marches that have been on have not only been peaceful but they’ve been um but they’ they’ve been Multicultural events yeah uh response was quite
Interesting because that was actually a response to the election of George Galloway as an MP um bizarre think that in fact I thought it was rather nice to hear and on several ma mainstream media channels uh last Friday evening I heard well various people and on Saturday over
The weekend saying well this was a very strange speech that he gave and it was it was like that the journalists are hinting there’s something a little bit unhinged about that whole Affair which was quite nice to see the the London media getting that um but the response
From George Galloway after rishy sunak speech last Friday evening uh which unfortunately we didn’t cover last Friday we couldn’t it just you know it was all happening whilst we were broadcasting uh here it is we at skott have spent sometime today on the streets of rdale and there are people who say
That they feel intimidated by people like like you and the people that have supported you and and they and they have pointed out that you have concentrated your campaign on Foreign Affairs and they worry that Rochdale will not be the wi that’s my answer to you I was just
Elected with a thumping majority by the electorate in rosdale that’s all that matters to me so why are there people in the streets of rdale today worried well people voted yesterday and they voted for me why is that difficult for you to grasp why are there people on the
Streets worried there may be people who didn’t vote for me who are worried but the majority the thumping majority voted for me I’ve got the Mandate and I’m going to the House of Commons with it and it’s a mandate you think to do what because there are people that listen to
What you say what you say about whether or not Israel has a right to exist what you say about what many Jewish people think are it threatening had last night why are you reheating it because in the light of the prime minister’s don’t keep telling me about the Prime Minister as
If he was Moses do you not respect the Prime Minister he’s he’s I don’t do I respect the Prime Minister I despise the Prime Minister and guess what guess what millions and millions and millions of people in this country despise the Prime Minister I don’t respect the prime
Minister at all what are you planning to do next week when you arrive in Parliament well I’m meeting the speaker on Monday morning and then I’ll be introduced and sworn in I’ll be escorted by the right honorable David Davis MP former deputy leader of the conservative
Party I don’t know why he would do that if he thought I was the kind of man you’re clearly implying that I am David Davis is is one of the great parliamentarians uh of today and this age uh and I’ll be taking my seat in the House of Commons and speaking for the
People of rdale that’s what I was elected to do and what is your message also say to K starmer my message to K starmer is that the skids are under you uh in scores of Labor seats up and down the country because you’ve lost the trust you’ve
Lost the confidence of millions of your traditional loyal voters now we have had we have now had an election where two of the candidates have alleged intimidation the Prime Minister referenced that intimidation in his address on the stering to the Prime Minister as if that supposed to impress
Me the prime minister is the prime minister is a rather diminutive diminished and degraded politician he made a party political statement I I don’t care about Rishi sunak attitude what I care about is that the returning officer a man of unimpeachable integrity I’m sure you’ll agree declared a free
And fair election and me as the winner and Rishi sunak as one of the crushed two big parties in the state why are two so why are two candidates keep repeating the same questions to me because I have other people to talk to so let’s make this the last one shall we we
Got allegations of intimidation allegations that your supporters intimidated other candidates times you’ve said that the returning officer declared it last night you were there as a free and fair election and me as the winner and the Electoral commission and the Electoral commission today have said that they’re going to look talk to the
Parties have to just suck it up I won the election Galloway thank you very much that was George Galloway with his supporters now shouting bye-bye uh live on SC news his first reaction to the address by the Pres so yes we got a new voice uh in the House of Commons Martin
What do you make of Mr Galloway well I’ve known George Galloway for many years on and off um and he’s he inimitable he means that the literation he got in there diminished diminutive degrade and that’s just came off the top of his head potic isn’t it well it’s
Because he because he can think on his feet yeah he can you imagine K starmore or reishi Sak or Joe Biden coming up with a something like that just on the on the on the spur of the moment they can’t do it he is an amazing orator yeah
Uh so and how wooden did does Rishi sunak sound in comparison making that absurd speech um trying to be the big man outside number 10 do you think some of those speeches may be written by AI I’m not could well be I mean but and just bizarre you know sunx that’s sunak
Response to a byelection victory you know part of the the Democratic process um and and making this ridiculous speech about democracy you know being under threat um it’s ridiculous what’s democracy is under Threat by is I think by the two major parties and the um the two two- party system as Galloway always
Says two cheeks of the same backside which you know in other another term is team a and Team B and it seems like team a rather worn out so it’s time for Team B in the general election this year but Galloway is also very incisive about uh
The Israel Lobby here in Britain and particularly about Labor friends of Israel both the speaker and the deputy speaker last night who present cited over this shambles were both members of the labor friends of Israel I call them the labor fiends of Israel it’s just a
Mis I just dropped the AR the labor fiends of Israel how does it happen by chance that both the speaker and the deputy speaker in charge of that chaos were both members of the labor friends of Israel why does Israel have so many friends in the labor party why they’re not friends of
Zimbabwe or friends of turkistan they’re all friends of Israel why what is it that they find so particularly attractive about an aparti State that’s on trial for genocide not one of them has resigned not one member of the labor of Israel has res over the last I want you know Paul Daniel
Uh de deie asked Mrs Paul Daniels thank you you’re welcome what first attracted you to the multi-millionaire it was one of the most devastating questions ever asked on television and I would like to ask these labor fiends of Israel what first attracted you to this state 2,500 M away
Of 6 million people and you’re endlessly going there they’re donating large amounts of money into your election campaigns into your political party K has had hundreds of thousands of pounds from the fields of Israel and and unless you know you don’t know I know and you know now cuz I just
Told you you all probably many of you already knew but the mass of the public don’t know they think that K St is saying what he’s saying because he believes it but I know that that isn’t true because I stood in a room listening to a speech by the same K in 2015
Ancient history I know 9 years ago I was there saw his lips move as he made a speech calling for Israel to be kicked out of the Football Association FIFA because they were a racist departed State imagine in 9 years he’s gone from wanting to get Israel out of football to
Being Israel’s biggest supporter anywhere in the world I wonder what happened on that road to Damascus thank you so Martin this is uh quite clearly massive in the United States and here too uh the labor and the conservative friends of Israel uh taking vast amounts of money from the Israeli state which is
Actually most of it just coming from the United States big grants to Israel uh in order to help their election expenses but uh this is obviously affecting the way they’re voting on these issues well if you think about the labor MPS in Bristol fham deaner Darren Jones and
Karen Smith are all labor friends of Israel I understand that krie McCarthy is not and you want as George Galloway points out why are they friends of Israel why aren’t they friends of Palestine for example you’d expect lots of Labor MPS to be Palestine solidarity supporters why aren’t they uh well you
Didn’t mention Damian Eagan who is the MP for Kingswood new new labor MP and he’s also a labor friend of Israel and and married to an ex Israeli spook yeah Yosi ound is his husband uh and as we said last week uh I’ll share it again
This week uh some bright spark at the electronic IND father has Dr uh dug up his CV and his work history quite clearly he’s worked for six years for this thing called Unit 8200 unit 8200 which is the Israeli equivalent of gchq and there is a picture of him there uh
Next to the Clifton suspension bridge so uh we have a penetration of the British political process by Israeli spies well that’s clear I mean the the AL jazer sting on uh the uh shy M MOS Moffat was it the the the the mosad agent who was approaching uh the labor MP I can’t
Remember her name Jones somebody or other she was actually left the labor party resigned at one stage it was under the Corbin regime as it were and now she’s back in in in the good books and all the rest of it um you know it I mean
It’s becoming very clear that one of the the the third the electrified rail for Corbin was this whole question of Israel Palestine they they didn’t like anything that he was standing for but that was the one that really got them going because of course Britain’s role in the
Creation of the state of Israel is fundamental and if Britain was to decide that it no longer you know and of course British public opinion is still quite hostile to mainstream Israeli opinion there’s a big gap there and and that’s not represented in our political process
At all is it and uh you know this is we are also potentially the weakest link I would suggest because I don’t know anybody who’s in favor of the RAF bombing Yemen from aceria in Cyprus I mean maybe I ring move in the wrong circles what business is it of ours to
Bomb Yen having done documentary a documentary in the past with RAF Pilots um during the time of the first Gulf War uh they were quite uh off the Record quite uh um adamant with me that they hated doing it they really felt that this was something that they um and they
Were also blowing the whistle on some of the lies about the smart bombs the smart technology telling me that although they make out that these bombs uh can’t miss actually quite often things go wrong and the bombs just go haywire and go anywhere and maybe hit a market square
Instead of the Target that they’re supposed to be hitting but at the ultimate the the political Masters behind the Royal Air Force don’t really give a fig for this so I mean we we we we rather than um focusing on Gaza this way there’s all sorts going on there but
Um since you’re just back from the UAE uh Judith what about other Arab countries um do they do some support Yemen does some not support and of course we’ve got the Gulf States which are these little kind of tiny little places as well so I think the majority
Of the people in Yemen countries um support um Gaza and are against the what’s happening now and there are there are some countries that um where politically the leaders are also um supporting pal somebody like Saudi Arabia because I mean they’re supposed to be an Arab country but yeah Saudi
Arabia is quite interesting they they have these things called the abrahamic cords um I think they they use the name Abraham because in in um Muslim in Islam they have uh ibraim and it’s the same person so they called it the Abraham Accords because it’s a link between Jews and Muslims
Um so uh UAE was the very first person to sign followed by baharin then um Sudan signed you see people are all being bribed to sign you were talking about money to support politicians but money also for example um uh Sudan had its debt wiped off and was also taken
Off the terrorist list um Morocco signed but in return for signing uh for for signing the Accords uh it was said that they could now um control the area that they’ve been occupying for almost as long as Israel’s been in been occupying Palestine the um uh Western Sahara so
That’s now part of Morocco diplomatic deals being cut behind the scenes exactly so therefore people are being bribed in order to sign to sign the Accords um uh uh they’ most people have heard that Egypt has said that it they told Egypt that they would wipe its debt off it’s already um
Uh has diplomatic relations with with Israel um if it if it accepts um refugees from Gaza and people seem to think that they are actually preparing to take some um gazan refugees there um but uh that’s that’s speculation but I suspect that it might happen so um so
People are being sort of like um bribed with with sort of like large sums of money I think UAE is um is has colonialist Ambitions of its own and therefore it fits in very well with um with with um with Israel and um and then
Um bahin is just the leaders are sort of like a very nasty bunch and um and so so they they fit in and didn’t need bribing but um but all the time they’re trying to find reasons to get sort of countries to sign some countries have definitely
Said that they won’t I mean obviously you’ve got the um you’ve got Syria but sodi was um was just about to sign um uh the the Abraham of gods and uh when in fact the um the Gaza war broke out so let just make it clear Abraham ibraim
Accords is between Israel and Arab states yes yeah okay what about the houthis what are they actually saying about why they’re doing what they’re doing well they’ve made it quite plain that uh that the reason why they’re doing it is until the gazans get adequate food and and we keep hearing
From our own politicians that that this is not the reason uh that you know this there’s nothing to do with Gaza but but this is not what the hoies are saying no it isn’t they’re making it quite plain and they’ve said that as soon as that they’ve actually uh said um Medical Aid
Um food and water and as soon as the the people in Gaza have sufficient then they’re going to allow um uh ships to go through the babo mandab they’ve made it absolutely clear there’s there’s absolutely no doubt that is what what they’re what they’re saying Martin isn’t
It absolutely obvious that if you’re a shipping company you want to avoid the Red Sea really it doesn’t matter actually even if you’re you think you’re safe it’s not the great place to be if you if you got a container ship well I think this is the this is the idiocy of
The so-called operation Prosperity Guardian which the British and the Americans signed up for and Australia New Zealand Bahrain and a few others hanging around in the background Canada I mean no no the only Arab state which said it was part of this Coalition was Bahrain as you say and that’s because
The AL Khalifa family are Sunni thugs basically put in power by the British in the 19th century and they dominate the sheer majority in Bahrain so when there was in during the Arab Spring the people in Bahrain rose up against the AL Khalifa family the Saudis actually sent
Their army into Bahrain uh to support the AL Khalifa family and that’s where the US 6 Fleet is based so nobody else including the UA or Saudi Arabia supports Britain and and uh and Us in taking on the a second to the to Richi sunak speech last Friday because he was
Talking about oh how dare people say that Britain’s been on the wrong side of History because actually what you’re saying there is that actually the Brits have caused much of this well there’s a very good book by Caroline Elkins who’s a a US academic which is come out a
Couple of years ago I you could look it up on the computer if people are interested uh it’s about the British Empire and it’s basically about how bloodthirsty it was as as a Brit and and a patriotic English person I would say I do not want to hide for a second from
The things my country has done why not we can we can take it we know who we are we know what we’ve done and because of that history we’ve got quite a radical tradition as well we’re opposed to this sort of stuff we fought two world wars
To stop it the state of Israel was created by us and that and was in but through the balford Declaration and and the recognition of the state of Israel in 1948 and therefore we’ve got responsibility for it and there no there no saying we’ve got no responsibility
For it of course it’s our responsibility is it and of course that was anti-semitic in its in in in its way as well because no countries in Europe nor America would take the refugees from the Holocaust and so that then they were forced to place them into somebody
Else’s country that’s right I mean in the Zionist L the US can I just pick up on this Lobby in the US most Jewish refugees in in Europe at the end of the war wanted to go to the United States it’s obvious obvious place for them to
Go and because it was in a prosperous country got established Jewish community and uh they were told by the Americans because they were lobbied by the Zionist Lobby that they couldn’t take them Roosevelt was in favor of taking them he said okay we can take that why not
They’ll fit in but no they all have to go to Israel because that’s what the Israelis claim they Jews can only go to Israel it’s the only safe place in the world for them and so on and so car Martin you mentioning there has obviously found her Niche uh she started
Off uh with in 2006 this book Imperial Reckoning the untold story of Britain’s goolag in Kenya yes it’s a very good book it’s about what happened in Kenya and in fact you were talking about Frank kitson last week yes he died in J the death of kitson I mean he’s he’s the uh
Author of the two books that I know of one is called um the gangs and counter gangs the other is low intensity operations low inity operations so these are both ways to fight kind of Guerilla Wars but by infiltrating the in fact it started controlling uh the opposition to the
Imperial power in this case Britain uh and also extreme ruthlessness so in a way it’s almost like what was going on with the IRA and Stak knife and we haven’t really talked about that this week much but this is a big today particularly in the news is the way that
The British army were actually controlling uh the nutting Squad in the ira this is in a in a way straight out of straight out the kits and Playbook yeah I mean he’s very he’s very influential not just on British counterinsurgency operations but also American Israeli counter Insurgency and
When you say it’s counter Insurgency that’s that’s to put too that’s to sort of what what he used to do in Kenya and what the Cel Scouts used to do in rodesia is they would dress up as Mao and then go out and kill people so that
People got the idea that the May went around killing loads of people then they put then they created a massive prison camp system which which virally one and a half million people were put through these prison camps out of which as Caroline Elkin showed at least 200,000
People died in those camps so there were more people in prison in Kenya as political prisoners at that time than in than in the Soviet Union and these were death camps they killed a lot of people and nobody was ever punished for any of it it’s in contrast to the British in
Yemen cuz we uh interviewed or I interviewed a couple of years ago Kevin Carill who was a soldier in Yemen and he said well basically as soon as the things started blowing up they pulled out there was hardly any casualties on on uh well there were quite a few
Casualties on um uh the first few weeks but the British pulled out almost as soon as things started kicking off in Yemen but in Kenya uh they decided they were going to do everything they could to hang on to that why do you think that
Was well in Kenya you’ve got you had a very wellestablished very wealthy aristocratic White farming Elite when I say they were farmers they didn’t do much farming but they owned the lot of the land and therefore they you know they had a lot of pull in Britain itself
Is a very strategically place as well isn’t it because you know it’s all very well to control a few countries around the edge of Yemen is even more strategic Yemen is is the most strategically placed country in the world and I mean and the reason why they pulled out is a
Labor government that pulled out in 1967 is cuz we’ve Yemen was originally or Aiden was originally important cuz was a coing station to go to to go on the way to India which was the real jewel in the crown of the British Empire so but once India had become independent there was
No point in Britain hanging on to yes okay makes a lot of sense doesn’t it the other book that she’s done more recently is called Legacy of violence uh a history of the British Empire so I put that’s the one that’s the one I was talking it’s a relatively recent book uh
Up to those both on our show page at this week should read in his retirement well yes but it’s not going to go in it’s almost like afri himself you can say stuff to these people and they could read it but it’s not actually going to go in because
They’re not interested their brain doesn’t work like this you could wave something in front of Sun’s face your hand in front of his face and it would be totally blank uh anyway let’s get back to Yemen we had a bit of a tangent there uh what about the global effect of
All of this is this really having a big effect on global trade and policy and it is it has having an effect because what’s happening is that um a lot they’re saying that overall shipping the the sh the movement of ships in the world is actually increased by
40% so that you could say that ATS a cost but it’s what it’s also doing you say movement you see does that mean miles travel TR it’s actually increased by an extra 3,000 mil or something to go to go right around the cape yeah and um
And I suppose a lot of shipping comes through the a l of diesel it is but it’s not just the cost what’s happening is that those ships are at sea for much longer so it’s actually meaning that there’s not enough ships to sort of move Goods that need to be moved as well
Because it’s tying up shipping by them we’ve got a recession indeed um what about the the you were talking a bit about the weapons um that the yemenis are using are they really weapons that the yemenis are manufacturing themselves they manufacturing themselves they’re cheap and they’re but they’re not but they’re
Quite sophisticated um and uh and they they’ve designed them themselves they’re um they’re producing them themselves they’re don’t they’re completely Sovereign in terms of their weapons do you know uh how successful the British and American strikes have been in stopping and and have they you know they’ve been really surgical in trying
To take out the places where these are being fired from or manufactured from well a apparently not they have been attacking sites around Yemen that they think are um manufacturing weapons but the yemenis haven’t said that they’ve attacked any major structures but in terms of sort of like the um the firing
Pads for the for the missiles they’re all mobile so therefore they fire them and move them so therefore they’re very difficult for them to track and um and and and uh and and bomb those particular Well I this is obviously one on the in
The in the on the nose maybe yes a punch in the face really for the west but what about the effect uh on the south the bricks countries the AL you know the alternative the this is a growing uh growing I think that what it’s doing is giving more confidence to the South
Because what you’re seeing happening now is not only Yemen is isn’t afraid of America and UK in fact most people in Amica in Yemen dur in the north of Yemen Duran the war thought that they were fighting um uh that sodi was fight was it was a proxy war with sodi fighting on
Behalf of UK and USA um and and so therefore they’ve they’ve lost their fear of America but not only the um uh Yemen have lost their fear but also a lot of other countries are like you see the South Africa taking um countries to the uh International court of justice um
Not only have they taken Israel but they’re now taking plans to take um UK and and USA as accessories I as a patriotic Brit say brilliant let’s get our government in the dock and send them to Jail uh for genocide so what about um uh the fact checking cuz you do you you
Often come in and talk about fact cheing Gaza and Yemen are two big topics that I imagine the likes of Google uh people sitting there with their algorithms are going to be trying to steer us down the rabbit hole somewhere indeed I think the fact Checkers are doing much the same as
The mainstream media but I think what’s quite interesting about the mainstream media um there is a story because that that came out this week um a story was published in the new New York Times in the middle of December um about the uh the rapes in uh the alleged rapes by
Hamas in on October the 7th and apparently the staff of the New York Times felt that the story that hadn’t been verified and they checked these um the the beds this this I think they called grade four beds or something and these beds in Israeli hospitals that are
So that all people have been um attacked with um sexually um go into these beds and none of them had been occupied after after the 7th of October they also checked with the rap R the crisis center the Rape Crisis Center in Israel there were no cases they also went to this
Center which was um giving uh holistic care to the to the survivors of the Rave where 200 people had been killed and they said that no one had reported any sexual violence and also in the Israeli newspaper um they’re they’re saying that the for example newspapers like The Times of
Israel quite conservative newspapers in Israel are actually saying that there’s no forensic evidence of rape so taking this all together I think the staff of the New York Times had been in disput with theed with the editor editors and wanted to with to uh withdraw the story
Which the editors had refused to do and last week they went to The Intercept with the evidence that this story was uh hadn’t been verified and yet the New York Times I think this is more interesting than the story because I’ve haven’t heard of any staff in a
Newspaper and they must be doing it together because otherwise they wouldn’t have confidence in doing it um have actually going against the story on um that that favors Israel being published in a newspaper and have actually whistle blown on the fact that the newspaper is publishing stories that s very this is
Sort of mindblowing in because what you’ve got is um the facts are not being checked by the New York Times and so people don’t trust what they’re reading and so therefore they’ve got to set up this whole network of fact Checkers but the fact Checkers don’t
Check the facts the which are wrong no no they check they check the facts that don’t that don’t concur with the narrative that powers wish people to hear and I’ve been checking what AFP which is the biggest check group in the world to see how they’ve covered the
Conflict it’s quite is that is that a on France press or what something to do with them their own yeah they they’re huge into fact checking they’ve got um they’ve got fact checking uh Platforms in most countries in the world um several in some countries they’re huge they’re easily the biggest fact check
Group there’s no other fact check group that comes anywhere near the size of AFP so I checked um the first three months after um from the 7th of October until the the um 6th of January 6 months of their fact checks they had 140 in line
With many fact checks um well over a third were trivia um like how many people attended a rally um what uh some celebrities said about Gaza so s of absolutely minor things but then when you look at the ones that were actually about the Gaza War themselves I think
There were 84 fact checks out of 140 that were actually about the war itself but if you looked at those a lot of that those were sort of like really Fringe issues and and they they they were criticizing the Palestinian story not the Israeli story so for example they
Didn’t they said things like oh um this this bit of clip which was meant to come from Gaza we found that it came from Syria or um or or an earlier war or something like that this was a pal this was an actor acting the part so these
Were all sort of like fringes issues and they didn’t look at any really core issues like for example the the allegations that have been disproved that that were that were linked to the israelian narrative things like the beheaded babies for example um um things like the the rapes that they didn’t look
At those issues and they haven’t looked they haven’t looked at any sort of issues that the Palestinians have raised so they are only factchecking really on behalf of the Israeli Lobby okay so who funds the fact checkers now the fact Checkers are all funded by the extremely wealthy um countries um uh
Especially in in Europe and America um EU um they’re funded by wealthy philanthropists European and American philanthropists they’re funded by large corporations such as Google and meta um so if you like all of the factchecking industry which probably amounts to sort of like billions rather than rather than
Millions uh per year um is actually funded by this the the stinking rich and the powerful Mar uh there’s something a bit a Welling about this isn’t there because you’ve got these people sitting in their High Towers the the top floor of the media Corporation people like Mr
Murdoch Etc and they’re saying hey look we’re we’re getting these surveys back saying people don’t trust us anymore so we’re going to have to set up fact check uh um we’re going to have to get these fact check people so that people will think that that this being fact check but uh
And that will make them trust us more but actually this is really just a a kind of sticky plaster over the problem and I wonder what you make of it because it’s almost as if they’re not interested in actually getting the facts right they just want to have some sort of Illusion
Reappearance of uh getting the facts right to affect the mindset of the person reading it not the actual um the balanced journalism and the facts themselves well I it’s not a sticking plaster it’s actually part of the disinformation campaign by the powerful you know fact checking as described by
By uh our colleague here is is exactly like is exactly that it’s part of the wall of lies and disinformation and of course most people are unaware of the existence of these organizations they’re only probably heard about by people who read quality newspapers and so on people
Who read the sun don’t bother about factchecking you know they know it’s a load of rubbish when they’re reading it and so when they have uh the reader or the viewer has some doubts uh we’re told oh okay you can scan this QR code and
You can find out what the uh the fact Checkers say about this uh I it’s almost I get to I’m getting to the point where I start thinking well if something’s been fact checked um then it’s probably true I think if something’s been fact checked it’s probably exactly what the
Those in power want you to know yeah and it’s not it’s not it’s they don’t check they don’t check they don’t do proper fact checking and of course the what journalists used to check their own facts that’s what you’re supposed to do that’s in the well
Some of us try to do it all the time uh so look um the this particular New York Times story I think you know it’s interesting in what’s happened is you’ve basically got some sort of Israeli um Israeli Defense Force press release a b bunch of text that’s just been cut and
Pasted into the New York Times paper and website without being being properly checked um and the same sort of thing has been going on um exactly same sort of thing on the same day whatever it was about I think it was about six or eight weeks ago when the international court
Of justice announced their verdict on uh the Israeli genocide well what they were saying is that we don’t yet believe that this is a genocide but the Israelis are on notice that they must make sure that they don’t commit any genocide we will be watching and so this is an ongoing
Process they’re now monitoring the international court of justice and there may well be a judgment that it is genocide under the genocide convention but this was a PR blow for them and so on the same day the Israelis released this what I would call toxic press release about unra which is United
Nations uh Rel relief and work agency um having Hamas fighters from the 7th of October working for them well uh there was apparently 12 people people who’ve been involved in this is according to hisra and again this wasn’t fact checked this was just cut and pasted into the
News of the world and into the minds of the the people in the Western World other parts of the world of course did fact check it but uh so I thought we’d have a little look now at that because the effect of um cutting as so many
Countries did first of all it was the five eyes countries so obviously Israel is already not supporting unra but you’ve also then got because the sixth of the five eyes you’ve got you Britain United States Canada Australia and New Zealand they all stopped funding the UN
Aid agency in Gaza and then we had uh roughly half of the NATO countries they also stopped funding so this is quite obviously nothing to do with whether there’s some sort of terrorist in unra it’s just doing what the Israelis wanted them to do well what I think is if if
There were any unal people in that um in that uh attack um and I think the attack itself probably was illegal um and well it was illegal but that it was illegal in the sense that it was a crime and therefore people should have been um the individual members should have been
Sought out and then um given a prison sentence so if they’ve got the names of 1200 people I’ve heard seven but you you’ve heard heard heard um 12 but if they’ve got the names of those people they should take them to the Israeli court and if they are able to conclude
That they did Kill and attack Israeli civilians then they should serve a prison the point is that these are allegations against only allegations they need to be they need to be proved in court but that is but to stop the funding to unrare at a time of of a
Potential genocide is act is is actually appalling it’s there there nothing else can be said about yeah well it’s um the fact is that they have done that they’ve and they still haven’t been funding and raw although David Cameron says we now have a plan to resume funding unra uh
That doesn’t mean to say he’s going to start funding them again and and this is really uh piling misery upon misery and genocide upon genocide by now continuing to starve these people and um of course they’re dying at a rate of not so uh also looking at this this whole
Situation with getting Aid in um and even if unrar is working also quite important to say uh the UNR has 12,000 employees so what they’re alleging is 12 of those may have been involved uh there are other estimates of 24,000 because it has all these peripheral organizations
Helping so you’re talking here about one in 2,000 people in this organization uh potentially being involved allegedly being involved and you haven’t investigated it but you’re going to cut the funding anyway uh and of course that’s going to mean people dying uh possibly thousands of people dying because they’re not getting Aid
Anymore but I thought it very important and useful to look at this this uh chap Oran and I can’t remember his name because it’s like organic food or whatever but he’s got the sea missing off the end and there was a report uh this week about uh this Egyptian guy and
We heard this a couple of weeks ago from Vanessa over in Damascus and I’ve followed it up and here’s a report about the plight of Palestinians which was reported really good report actually on Sky uh on Sky TV and what about it Rafa on the border with Egypt no one wants to
Be here but there is a way out it comes though at a vast cost Sky News can reveal how one Egyptian company controls the only commercial Crossing out of Gaza and it’s now charging Palestinians $5,000 to leave we were shocked with with the prices absolutely out of our
League it’s just too expensive God willing the price will go down our investigation based on the testimony of more than 70 Palestinians and Analysis of documents and videos shows it’s increased its fees 14 fold since the start of the war recently earning more than a million dollar per day former
Industry insiders have called it criminal extortion it leaves Palestinians with an impossible Choice come up with a vast sum or stay in Rafa and wait as Israel prepares it’s Final Ground assault but over time the number of companies offering this service has decreased meaning there’s now only one player in the game
Hala like music and a glossy promo is more like an ad for a last minute holiday it’s actually a Hala advert for border crossings and it looks easy and straightforward in this video from before the war Palestinians in Gaza have long been used to paying fees to expedite their travel across the border
Hala has been the dominant player in this industry since 2019 when it began offering its VIP service as shown in this video we found a Facebook page with Hala employees offering advice we spoke to one whose name we’ve redacted we asked how much it was to leave Gaza for
An adult and child they came back to us $5,000 we asked if they worked for Hala and how we would transfer the money they said they did and told us we could pay by mobile cash transfer and send a relative to their headquarters in Cairo
We then asked if they lived in Cairo and crucially how could we be safe in the knowledge this wasn’t a scam they said they’d send us a photo of the ticket we asked how long it would take to get names on the list from one to 10 days
They said this is what a travel ticket looks like as provided by the employee as proof of their Wares so this Hala employers told us that if you want guaranteed exit from Rafa they are the people to go to they told us to go to their offices in NASA City in
Cairo well this is what people find when they do go hundreds queuing outside Hal’s Cairo officers for a chance to get their loved ones on a future Travel list multiple sources told Sky News there often hundreds or even thousands of people queuing and two sources said they were forced to pay a non-refundable
$1,000 deposit simply to get into the building based on social media media post and the testimony of dozens of people who’ve arranged travel with Hala since October the 7th Sky News was able to piece together a clear picture of how the company operates tickets used to cost in the region of
$350 around £280 before the war but Hala price lists show people are now looking at $5,000 per person to guarantee a way out and two and $5,000 for children passenger lists are released daily sometimes pictures taken of paper sheets posted on social media on average 235 people travel a day some passengers with
Egyptian nationality pay a lower fair but Sky News analysis of H Crossing lists and prices shows that on a day with few Egyptian passengers the company can earn in excess of $1 million well well done Sky News putting that report together uh thanks for Vanessa Bey for tipping this show off
About it and it’s not just that uh I noticed the middle Le I has just done a report on the Israel Palestine War they’re saying uh war on Gaza charity says Egypt intelligence linked firm is charging $5,000 to get aid over the Border uh the NGO provided Middle East
Ey with first testimony that indicates Egyptian officials are profiteering from the genocide in Gaza uh an international charity with extensive experience in providing emergency aid in wars famines and earthquakes throughout the Middle East and Afghanistan is been being forced to pay £5,000 per Lorry in a company linked to
Egypt’s general intelligence service the gis to get Aid into Gaza uh the charity said the money is being paid in the form of a management fee to a company affiliated with the soris of sini a construction and Contracting firm owned by the sini businessman ibraim Al orani
So uh this uh Martin this is pretty appalling isn’t it I mean you know the idea that suddenly because we can control the Border hey there’s more demand for people to get across the border so let’s Jack the price up if I can just intercept one other little
Thing there I was listening to um a doctor who had been was American doctor who’ been working in Gaza and he said that they have to pay the money the Charities that they’re W working for have to pay the money for them to come out to so when you’re donating to one of
The Palestine Charities or medical Charities that money may be going straight into to ibraim Al oran’s bank account in Egypt well I mean this this kind of war profiteering is sadly not uh unusual it’s the sort of thing go say no one wants a war obviously Ibrahim Al orani
Does well that’s right and of course is RIT even larger when we’re talking about ran and and British era space and all these other people are breaking it in and of course that means the people the shareholders of these companies which are the Great and the good but but re’s
Got a few shares and all of that stuff when when when Theresa May agreed to carry out attacks from actian Cyprus into Syria yeah after the so-called Duma chemical weapons attack has been largely debunked by by serious investigation um her her husband is a hedge fund manager and he uh because he
You know they had some Pillow Talk the night before it happened he made some moves on the stock market that morning and made a kill it CU of course if you know that the British are going to attack Syria and that’s going to affect the price of ran shares you can you can
Buy some shares before the price goes up and sell them and make money is exactly what he did who made the money just after the 7th of October attacks cuz somebody did make money didn’t they they bet you know you can tell that something’s going on when it was in
Israel it was in Israel itself wasn’t it people actually bet on companies which bet which but either went down or up and it was you know you can you could and therefore the that implies full knowledge of the attack does it not as has happened in many of these incidents
Yeah which then goes to show there’s more going on here that meets the eye can I just make one point about unra before we move on what is that what that involves is taxpayers like me in Britain and around the world in in in in in France and everywhere else that funds
Unra we are funding the Israelis to drive the Palestinians off their own land and then they’ve been put into into camps in Jordan and in Syria and we are then paying to keep those and the Israelis don’t pay a penny towards any of this we pay for their mess yeah and I
Think Nigel farage needs to be told about this why is taxpayers British taxpayers money being spent in this way H so the Israelis can can go on the Rampage because it it in in terms of the people who are occupied in Gaza and West Bank um that they are actually meant to
Be completely funded by Israel I don’t know once the refugees out of the outside the country I don’t know whether that’s true but certainly if they’re occupied they’re meant to pay all of the expenses the living expenses it means that they’re in a position to switch it
All off isn’t it and of course they do if it suits them it just be clear about the stock trading around the 7th of October the what you would probably just called Insider dealing uh bets against the value of Israeli companies this is CNN spiked in the days before the
October the 7th Hamas attack suggesting Traders may have had Advanced knowledge of the terror attack and profited off of it according to research released uh this preliminary research uh from law professors at Columbia University and New York University details a significant and unusual Spike five days before the attacks in short selling the
Most popular fund uh linked to Israeli companies Short Selling is a way to bet against the value or security well that’s right I mean and this this implies I mean we’ve been discussing this week after week and of course this is what knocked this labor candidate out of the rdale elction was
In a private conversation talking about this let be balanced here because claims Traders profited from Attack are inaccurate says Israel well they do say things like that don’t they they’re very good at just the the hasbara you know psychological warfare aspect of what the Israelis do is you you’d think that they
Would just give up on telling fibs but they they don’t because in actual fact if you tell enough fibs it hasn’t it an impact you know a f a fib like we just deny it all is is is good enough to keep most people quiet and of course unless
You got the time and the inclination to unpick it all it it works very well that’s why they that’s why they do it absolutely it does uh air dropped Aid has crushed five to death in Gaza so this great idea of dropping aid from aircraft which I was quite an advocate
Of obviously it’s got to be done carefully and properly but no apparently the aid from parachutes from aircraft was dropped on top of people and killed five of them um and also the port in Gaza for Aid what do you make of that Judith this concept of having a port on
The Mediterranean to bring Aid into Gaza well why not I mean it’s it’s absolutely illogical that that Gaza doesn’t have its own airport and Port um it it did have paid for by the EU when um when they were saying that they were going to give um Palestine Independence and it
Was going to be and Jericho first um so why shouldn’t it have its own port it’s it’s logical that it doesn’t uh yeah only thing is of course it might be us and Israeli controlled Aid and we saw with the flower U Massacre last week uh
What can happen if the Israelis are left in control of the aid then they sort of basically this is almost like um a trap so here’s the aid everybody and as people start to gather they wait until the highest concentration of Palestinians are there and then they
Open up with machine gun and shoot them I know it’s just and then apparently they say the ordinary Israeli citizens I’ve seen films of it um uh are actually stopping aid from entering um Gaza AC through places like the erat’s crossing as well so um so it’s not getting in
Because it’s being obstructed by Israeli citizens um so Netanyahu apparently is vowing to invade Rafa he’s rejecting all International pressure to do so um and another another report Israel has set March the 15th as a deadline for its broad war against Lebanon so I don’t know if he’s got enough troops enough
Soldiers to do both at the same time maybe he has more uh I think what they’re playing for there is to drag the Americans in to support them and then wield you along as well yeah that’s the whole idea if they can extend the war the right-wing in Israel want the war
Extended so that they won’t have to fight on on their own the Americans will have to come in and and help them out and of course if the Americans go in and help them out that that means we are already helping them out the British the Royal Air Force flying from actii I
Looked this up the other day I thought they must be flying over Israel but in actual fact the Egyptians are allowing British aircraft to overfly Egypt but of course that won’t be necessarily very popular amongst the Egyptian population I mean one of the things that might happen here if CC was overthrown that
The Egyptian Army might intervene against the Israeli they’re the big they’re the B they’re a big army they’ve got the proper kit they they could they could probably KN but but they’re very pro Israel I know Egyptian milit us that’s not necessarily the people in the country is it no not
The people in the country but I know that when now when we were taking Aid to to Gaza on a convoy we went through Libya then when we got to Egypt although we’d got permission to travel the soldiers at the gate didn’t let us through they said well you’ve got you’ve
Been given per by the government the government aren’t here we are and we’re not letting you through so I think the the the military is being quite indoctrinated you’re welcome to stay with us for a little while to talk about Ukraine if you want that’s up to you
Would you like to or not I’m not I’m not incredibly up in case why not uh just tell us about you’re apparently starting a substack next week yes I am yes everyone’s doing this now yeah everyone’s starting a substack um yeah I because I’ve because I’ve got eyesight
Problems so um so I’ve got PA coming to help me with starting up the substat and uh so it’s going to be called the control of information Jud this substat the control of information so it’s I’m going to be hopefully publishing all of the research that I’ve done on
Factchecking um uh not only for um for this subject for a whole load of subjects and uh and hopefully that will start going out next week okay well Jud Brown thanks ever so much for joining us once more um what would it it would just be called the control of information
Control of information so we I can’t put a link up to it yet folks but uh uh yeah anyway so thanks for all your help particularly on um the um uh on the factchecking stuff because I think for most of us we have no idea who these
Fact Checkers are sometimes a big kind of screen appears on your social media and it says oh this fact these facts here have been checked are you sure you really want to have a look at this and of course this normally means that someone is trying to stop you finding
Out what’s going on exactly anyway Martin uh the first thing we’re going to look at with Ukraine is the British much for having thanks Judith uh is 10,000 British drones going to Ukraine I didn’t see that 10,000 British drones well it wouldn’t surprise me I mean we’re in for
A penny in for a pound aren’t we on this uh yeah well um what do you what do you cuz a lot of this um is is the idea is that they’re running out of ukrainians well they are running out of ukrainians who are a little battery powered robot
Well the Drone War has been relatively even compared to everything else so ukrainians have been able to use firstperson view drones and and also of course got a firsters what’s that it’s an FP what we call an fpv drone first person view drone in other words a little drone that you can that
Somebody’s flying as if it as if they were in a computer game yeah they’re sitting on a console moving it around looking for you know and that that that has actually been one of the interesting things if you’re interested in these things about the Ukraine war is how uh
Important this kind of lowlevel modern technology has become because a first-person view drone can knock out a tank okay we got a couple of stories millions millions of doll first of all a Russian warship has been destroyed it which only launched in 2022 this week uh but first let’s hear about zalinski
Giving a speech uh in Odessa only to find that the Russians are blowing up buildings around him Greek Prime Minister kirakos smis was on a mission to show his country support for Ukraine on a tour of the port city of adessa but the leader got a taste of War firsthand
When a Russian drone hit a Target just a few hundred meters away we heard some sirens and shortly after as we were getting into our cars we heard a big explosion I think that for us this is the best most Vivid reminder that there is a real war going
On here every day there is war which not only affects the front line it affects our innocent fellow citizens Russia says Wednesday’s deadly strike hit a hanger housing Ukrainian Naval drones it’s the latest attack on Q’s infrastructure on the Black Sea it suffered a surge in Russian strike since Moscow withdrew
From a un broker deal last July that allowed the safe passage of Ukrainian grain shipments via the Black Sea Russia claims ke did its own damage on Wednesday the governor of the Russian border region of CTS says a Ukrainian drone attacked a fuel Depot there see today another attack on the cursed
Region was carried out by Ukraine a drone attacked a fuel in lubricant Warehouse there are fires in the area right now operational Services have rushed to the scene in the northern region of H residents scrambled to P woman out from under Rubble in the village of borova after it was hit by a
Russian bomb killing one person the attacks come as the Ukrainian Army continues to struggle to hold Russian forces back on the front line a top Ukrainian Commander vows that the situation on the battlefield will stabilize soon he says the Army aims to form units to carry out counter offensive actions later this
Year so uh yeah that’s an Al jazer report uh on the uh the bombing in adessa so this is the Russians saying um sending a message really to the press and to the Greek Prime Minister and to zalinski well the Russians themselves deny that they were targeting zilinski
As such but I mean you can make of that what you will well of course I think it’s obvious that they knew he was there they knew he was goinging a talk he probably watching him on the TV and saying well let’s let’s um let’s at
Least show him that we you know we can we could kill him anytime we want to I guess well I think that’s been true all along uh the Russians have generally taken the view that they’re not going to kill the political leadership of the people they’re fighting because they may
Have to talk to them you know the problem with killing the political leadership of the people you’re fighting is then who are you going to talk to but they they’ve responded to milit you know what they would regard as terrorist attacks on Russian territory like the
The the Drone attacks on on on belgrad which killed load you know bunch of civilians by attacking military infrastructure this is why the Russians have insisted this is a special military operation not a war because in a war they just go all out and kill the other side up without without Mercy but
They’re not doing that they they’re going strictly for military targets and of course some civilians are inevitably caught up in that uh but they’re not deliberately targeting civilians or the political leadership the military leadership they are they are targeting and of course the heads you know they’ve
Hit the uh sbu headquarters in in K so you know there’s there’s still an escalation ladder here which the Russians aren’t going up any idea how big the Russian Black Sea Fleet is well I don’t know the exact details it’s their big it’s around 45 ships yeah all
Warships uh now we we’ve had is the total so far is 14 of those have been destroyed uh and uh 15 of them are damaged so uh as as these um uh news websites do they have these horrid headlines where they’re not talking about the number that have been destroyed is still saying
The Russian Black Sea Fleet is shrinking but it’s still dangerous there are still 30 ships active well I mean uh Tony radkin who’s the head of the British Armed Forces is an admiral he’s head of the royal Navy as well he’s staying on for another year so that he can
Coordinate with the ukrainians and of course these Storm Shadow missiles which are sinking these ships are being they’re being fired by British personnel as Schulz uh you know the German Chancellor let uh you know you you saw that the the intersect between the German generals talking about using
Tourist missiles to hit the Kirch bridge and uh and shz was saying we in public we’re not going to have our tourist missiles in there because then German Personnel would have to be firing them and we don’t want to go down that road but the generals are then over you know
Basically they they they got the the Russians intercepted the phone call where they talk about how they can use tourist missiles but they’d have to use German Personnel a lot of these highlevel NATO missiles that have been used in Ukraine are not being fired by ukrainians because ukrainians don’t know
How to use them so in other words British military personnel are faring those last week we had I think it was on Tuesday a Russian Railway Bridge blown up in Russia uh and on the next day it’s a Russian warship sunk let’s have a listen just to the report on the S the
Sinking of the warship Ukraine says it’s destroyed another Russian warship in the Black Sea now a Ukrainian military spokesman said the patrol boat had previously been targeted but was blown up overnight by Maritime drones in the kers straet near Crimea the attack follows the launching of 22 Russian
Drones targeting the Ukrainian Port of Odessa let’s get more on this from Rob McBride who’s standing by for us in the Ukrainian Capital keev um about the Russian black Fleet sea Fleet uh that’s on patrol uh what more do we know about the damage that the Ukrainian sea drones are
Doing yeah this does seem to be another uh claimed success by Ukrainian forces against the Russian Navy and against the Black Sea Fleet in particular uh this Patrol ship it’s been uh identified as the sedate cour off according to the ukrainians it was attacked in the early
Hour still in darkness when it was uh located in the Kirch straight which is just to the Eastern end of the Crimean Peninsula according to uh footage on Russian social media that purportedly shows the attack we see and hear machine gun fire presumably coming from the
Warship as it’s trying to fend off the Drone or drones followed by a large explosion and footage that’s now being released by the Ukrainian intelligence seems to show the same attack again with a large explosion but from the point of view it seems of a camera on board one
Of the drones in this um attack um the ukrainians have been making large advances in their drone technology in recent times becoming more powerful extending the range of hundreds of kilometers which which has meant that the Russian Black Sea fleet has had to limit its areas of operation away from
The Western Northern parts of the Black Sea more to the more protected Eastern Parts but still clearly within range of these developing drones what’s also worrying from a Russian perspective this is one of its newest warships it’s fairly small only a crew of 80 but it
Came into service only in 2022 and like other warships in the Black Sea uh New or Old it doesn’t seem to have an answer to these Ukrainian drones uh yeah so that’s another aler report on these uh drone attacks they are obviously this is the main thing and
Britain is now sending another 10,000 of these well I think I hope that people listening to this show who live in the British Isles realize that at some point the Russians are going to fight back if British military personnel and weaponry is being used to sink Uh Russian ships
Which kill Russian Sailors then the Russians at some point are going to kill some British Sailors just to remind you that war is war now if you want to get involved in that off you go uh but you’ll have to live with the consequences and I think a lots of
People in this country uh still believe that we can provoke the Russians in the way we have been over the last 10 years and that nothing will happen to us Russia is not that far away it’s much nearer much closer to us than our great friends the United States it’s closer to
Us than Israel and we think that we can provoke them and nothing will happen one of the things that’s happened of course is we’re no longer allowed to fish in the baring the baren sea which means that price of fish in this country Cod mainly is going through the roof cuz
British trollers which have fish there since the 1950s AR allowed to fish there anymore and that’s just a minor irritation compared to what will happen if the Russians really decide to give us a bloody NOS for what because of what we’re doing to them I mean they do be
Prep seem to be prepared to suck it up why why is that so much they’re prepared to suck it up because they don’t want to escalate unless they have to I understand that the people running the Black Sea plet the the the Admirals the two two Admirals have been removed and
They’re bringing a third guy in whose name I can’t remember I was reading about this morning it is difficult for the Russians because of course they could easily start shooting back at the British American ship ships in straight away they could easily do they could knock down the awax which are which
Which are creating all you see that all the the ukrainians are fighting entirely they could knock down satellites I think actually this is probably what they’ll do is they will go for things which don’t actually kill people well what they will do is they will find the way
Of showing the British if you carry on doing this accidents can happen and they’ll probably try and play it in such a way that they send a message to Tony radkin uh not to get involved in this or it might be the worst for you rather than rather than shouting from the
Rooftops about heard of Lithuanian foreign minister gabrielis lansberg uh he’s expressed concerns over the West’s response to Russia’s war in Ukraine likening the current situation to the Prelude of a significant event like Pearl Harbor during World War II uh according to a report by what is that LRT whoever they are suppose that’s
A Lithuanian broadcasters uh Lance bergus believes the West is yet to fully acknowledge the gravity of the Russian Ukrainian conflict and its implications uh he argues that most Western countries are downplaying the war as a regional issue this perception He suggests is due to a fear of escalation and results in a
Lack of adequate support for Ukraine he emphasized this approach is a significant political problem hinting at the need for a wakeup call similar to the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 well we’ve had all of these um politicians in the west like macron saying that we’re probably going to have to send our
Troops to the Ukraine and then various other countries saying no no no we can’t do that but the fact is NATO troops are in it’s figure I’ve said is there the 10,000 polish young men have already died in the Ukraine fighting as volunt in the Ukrainian Army now and what about
British Special Forces they’re doing training and operating these storm sh right they have and of course special that’s not really special forces but yes and of course so this these are the people Rishi sunak is talking about uh the forces in the UK trying to tear us
Apart they are the people directing our special forces to try and start World War III with Russia well I would agree with that but of course unlike on Gaza you’ve still got a consensus within the mainstream within the Overton wind in British politics that the Ukrainian cause is just even if they’re losing
It’s a just cause it isn’t a just cause the people in the East Ukraine are not Ukrainian they think of themselves as Russians they never identified as ukrainians and there’s no particular reason why they should be forced into a Ukrainian state that they don’t want to
Belong to any more than covans want to be part of Serbia and we went to war about that let’s leave the last word cuz we are actually going to talk a little bit about the budget before we close again uh to Mike PR prisoner he’s around
About 2005 he’s a US Soldier who who spoke out against the wars that were being conducted as part of the war on terror particularly the attack on Iraq so uh Mike Mike prisoner now that’s p r y SN R Mike prisner Pryer maybe uh and
This is uh the I suppose they bear in mind the sacrifice um uh burning himself basically self- imulation uh by Aaron Bush last week so let’s have a listen to uh I suppose precursor to that um and during the time of the Iraq War Mike prisoner s and brothers thanks everyone
For being here we’re from the organization March forward and we’re here to say to all those serving in the Army and the Marines and the Air Force and the Navy that you have the absolute right to refuse to take part in these criminal Wars and that’s a right that
All of you should exercise you have no reason to go put your life on the line and kill and die for profit we’ve been to Iraq we’ve been to Afghanistan and we know what these wars are really about and we joined the military for many reasons cuz we need a college education
Cuz we need a job cuz we need health care and then we join the military and they tell us that our enemies are poor people in caves in Afghanistan or poor people in the deserts of Iraq but we’ve been to those countries and we know that our enemies are not other poor people
Abroad are of the people that laid us off from our jobs that denied us healthare that make it impossible to get an education our enemies are not in the poorest countries on the planet but right here in the richest [Applause] one now these wars the occupations of Iraq and
Afghanistan alone are costing over $700 million every single day this is a crime every single day while so many of us are hurting well I think all of us here and the vast majority of people in this country would agree that we can spend $700 million a day better than bombing
People that we have no reason to bomb we can spend $700 million a day rebuilding those countries we’ve destroyed we can spend $700 million a day caring for the veterans we get home when they get home and then we can spend $700 million a day giving every single person Health Care a
College education a job and a livelihood and a home that’s who we need to be spending our money [Applause] on but this government is not going to do that they’re not going to use the money in that way they’re not going to end the wars and they’re not going to do
It because it’s not our government it’s their government it’s a government of the rich it’s a government of Wall Street of the oil Giants of the defense contractors it’s their government and the only language that they understand is shutting down business as usual and that’s what we’re doing here today and
We’re going to continue to do until these wars are [Applause] over well it’s Crystal Clear now that these wars are going to continue and expand and go into other countries that is the trend that is what we know that there is Perpetual war and it’s only going to stop if the people
Stand up and stop it and that’s what we’re going to do sisters and brothers and a lot of people ask me what do we do cuz we all know things are bad we all see the atrocities on TV we read about it we experience it people always ask
What do I do cuz we always want to know what to do do we vote do we support a politici uh what you know do we join an organization what do we do well I’ll tell you what we do it’s simple we we fight we fight and we fight and we fight
And we shut down our workplaces we shut down our schools we shut down the streets we shut down business as usual and we fight until we force the people in there to do what the people out here want cuz that’s how we’re going to get on and we’re going to fight until
There’s not one more bomb dropped not one more bullet fired not one more soldier coming home in a wheelchair not one more family slaughtered not one more day of us ire imperialism so let’s fight to make that happen we can do it today and then the days ahead we have to fight
To end these wars and create a better world sister and brother so join us in that fight [Applause] thanks a little round of applause for Mike prisoner there speaking time of the Iraq War um but Martin the uh the fact is that Palestine action people like that are actually in this country doing
This they are closing down some of the Factories at least causing trouble for them yes and there’s all sorts of different things people can do sometimes people do feel powerless cuz you know it seems like a juggernaut that nobody can stop but everybody can do a little bit
Of something just a little something and everybody does a little bit of something shoveling money into the pockets of Ibrahim orani is rather disappointing to hear that people who are try trying to donate to get Aid to Gaza are funding him well uh you should give your Aid if
You if you if you want to give Aid you’ve got to choose your organizations carefully and you’ve got to also understand that some compromises will have to be made I used to be an aid worker and sometimes you have to make compromises to get the aid through you
You don’t you don’t really happy with you got to go with to take action here somehow in the UK well yes of course and the other thing is that we shouldn’t be needing to send Aid to Palestine it should be rebuilding itself as an independent state and and sorting their
Own problems out I me you you seem to be more a fan of King Charles than I am you think he’s not quite so involved in all these things but there has been a fantastic series by the way on Channel 4 Monday evenings uh called investigating
Di I think it’s carrying on for another couple of weeks it’s a repeat from a couple of years ago but it’s one of the best documentaries I’ve seen uh a lot of it focusing on the French side of the investigation and obviously the French were a little bit less controlled about
The way they saw it all uh than the British establishment over here Muhammad wanted as many invest tigations as he could get because he did he wanted the answers and he wanted as many different people to be asking the questions as possible uh because that is the way you get to the
Truth the turning point was when Richard Tomlinson former MI6 spy turns up in Paris to tell the French inquiry that he has seen the plans for an assassination plot when he was at MI6 and in a tunnel using motorcyclist bright lights and so on Muhammad came rushing into the office
And he said to me you know God has answered my prayers uh you know here is the man telling the story that I this is what I think happened when the accident first happened um it didn’t really occur to me that it was in any way related but
It what made me realized very very strongly was with the witness report there was a very bright light in the tunnel and as soon as I heard that that made me two and two things together but the combination of the bright light of the tunnel was made think straight away
Well maybe it wasn’t an accident Muhammad was ecstatic and I I have to say I shared his Joy because it all sounded to me uh so totally credible so that’s the series on Channel 4 at the moment repeated from 2022 uh investigating Dina don’t miss it on a
Monday evening Martin the the point here is if King Charles is prepared to be involved in the death of Diana his wife uh then he’s not he’s going to think that uh other deaths in other parts of the world are just kind of normal isn’t he well even if Diana was assassinated
He doesn’t necessarily mean that he was directly involved I’ll make that point and I I believe she was assassinated but I don’t think he was necessarily directly involved uh and of course he’s he is who he is he’s got connect I mean he’s obviously been very very what do
You mean by that he is who he is he is very pro-israeli for example we know he is he was a friend of Jonathan Sachs he’s he’s he’s you know he’s not spoken out it’s happening in Gaza although his son let’s put it more simply uh he’s uh
An outspoken a sort of medieval style King that he’s not interested in the idea of taking a step back from it all and allowing uh the elected politicians to get on with it and any intervening where necessary he’s got very very clear vision of where he wants the country to
Go and he’s quite clearly in favor uh of uh I mean in fact in in in the Queen’s speech or The King’s Speech that he gave last year he immediately talked about Hamas as a terrorist organization that’s government policy that’s that’s a fundament he
Didn’t have to do that did he no he did because it’s in the queen it’s in The King’s Speech it’s written by re so Richi sunak writes that you no it’s it’s only Hamas only became a terrorist organization and a band organization in this country relatively recently and in
Actual fact that’s a fundamental problem because Hamas are the elected government of Palestine and in in the in the in the in Syria they were fighting alongside the free Syrian Army who were also trained by our special forces against the Syrian Arab Army and when they were fighting against the Syrian Army they
Were Heroes and War fighting Freedom Fighters but now they’re fighting their isra their traditional Israeli emies they are terrorists exactly the same people let’s have a listen to go over the other side of the Atlantic look at the guy who’s supposed to be in charge the other side well richy sunak supposed
To be in charge here uh my my view is that people around King Charles are far more powerful than making so many of these appointments uh but but uh over in the states we’ve had a bit of a mess up by Joe Biden here he is have a listen to
What he says here about uh trying to get Aid into Gaza the loss of life is heartbreaking people are so desperate that uh innocent people got caught in terrible War unable to feed their families and you saw the response when they tried to get aided and we need to
Do more in the United States will do more in the coming days we’re going to join with our friends and Jordan and other some frighting air drops of of additional food and supplies into Ukraine and seek to continue open up other avenues into Ukraine including the possibility of a marine Carter to
Deliver large amounts of uh humanitarian assistance in addition to expanding deliveries by land as I said we’re going to we’re going to insist that Israel facilitate more trucks and more roots to get more and more people the the help they need no excuses because the truth is Aid
Flowing to Gaza is nowhere nearly enough now it’s nowhere nearly enough so there he is uh twice mistaking Gaza for Ukraine and actually saying the words the jordanians are going to help us get Aid into Ukraine yeah well that just shows that his cognitive difficulties Trump can string a sentence
Together but he’s 100% behind the rightwing in Israel 100% so if he takes over in November it will be January by the time he takes over there is nothing to for I think it illustrates is that actually Biden is not in charge of anything
Even own not even his own mouth uh so uh he G he gave last night the State of the Union Address address uh so here are some key moments Well I this is what they call Key moments from that State of the Union Address uh in front of uh
Congress I believe I’m not sure if it’s both houses in the States but it’s a political speech by the president in front of the elected uh sentences good evening if I were smart I go home now I say this to Congress we have to stand up to Putin send me a bipartisan National
Security Bill history is literally watching history is watching the United States walks away it will put Ukraine at risk Europe is at risk the Free World be at risk and Bolding others to do what they wish to do us harm my message to President Putin I’ve known for a long
Time is simple we will not walk away [Applause] we will not bow down I will not bow down in a literal sense history is watching history is [Applause] watching lincol Lincoln Riley an innocent young woman who was killed by an illegal that’s right but how many thousands of people being killed by legals to her parents I say my heart goes out to you having lost children myself I understand I know it may not look like
It but I’ve been around a while when you get to be my age certain things become clearer than ever I know the American story again and again I’ve seen the contest between competing forces in the battle for the soul of our nation between those who want to pull
America back to the past those who want to move America into the future my lifetime has taught me to embrace freedom and democracy a future based on core values that defined America honesty decency dignity equality to respect everyone to give everyone a fair chop to give hate no Safe
Harbor now other people my age see it differently the American story of resentment revenge and retribution that’s not me and Israel must do its part Israel must allow more Aid in the gods who ensure humanitarian workers aren’t caught in the crossfire and they’re announcing they’re going to
They’re going to C have a Crossing in Northern Gaza so the leadership of Israelites say this humanitarian assistance cannot be a secondary consideration or a bargaining ship protecting and saving innocent lives has to be a priority now so far as I know um there aren’t any Aid workers caught in the
Crossfire they’ve been being killed by Israel not by us well that’s right so there’s a level of hypocrisy developing now where the West is trying you know Cameron Biden they’re trying to sort of wriggle out of the responsibility for what’s happened and try to suggest that they do really really really care about
Palestinian children who are dying and being starved um but it’s pretty pathetic if you think about what what theyve you know there’s still there are still planes flying from actii in Cyprus a British base which nobody in Cyprus wants to be there it’s there because we
Made them have it and we’re using that base to supply Weaponry to the Israelis to carry on killing children at the same time as reaping crocodile tears let’s get back to Biden though uh I mean he’s saying I will not bow down we were joking I will not fall over so uh but
But um the point is he’s saying no s we will give hate no Safe Harbor but he’s trying to start World War III I mean these people are um you know they’re talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time aren’t they and this is
One of the major problems and one causing so many so much division is the fact that they’re saying one thing and doing the opposite all the time well that’s right I mean the you know they are they are criminals and hypocrites uh and of course this is widely becoming understood around the
World I mean all of the bullying that went on over what was happening in Ukraine you know everybody’s got to put sanctions on Russia Etc although nobody did apart from the American vassels in Western Europe a Australia and New Zealand nobody else put put any sanctions on because they couldn’t see
That they was justified but at the same time then then they turn around and and we see what’s happening in Gaza and not only the Americans not intervening and they could easily intervene they could just pick but Biden if he was a different kind of President uh like JFK
For example could pick up the phone and say You’ got to stop doing that right now or we’re going to cut off your your your your pocket money we’re going to ground you and they’d have to stop but he’s not doing it is he no and I think a
Similar message could come from the UK but anyway like we uh a penultimate section we’re going to look at the budget again now back to we had a little brief chat about it but I did speak earlier this week to the workers party’s Chris Williamson about what sort of
Budget he would like to have presented uh rather than Jeremy Hunt uh so Chris Williamson is a former uh labor mp uh who was actually removed by Jeremy Corbin you know there’s that famous article that Jeremy Corbin treated his enemies better than his friends well Chris Williams and was a friend of his
Uh very much Pro Palestine Pro Gaza uh and Corbin presided over him being removed from the labor party so here’s Chris and the workers party Galloway’s party’s take on the budget 2024 they’ll be announcing a plan to eliminate poverty in the lifetime of a of a parliament although we’re nearly at the
End of this Parliament but certainly that’s something I think that we could be doing so I think there would be a big excuse me for me a big increase in the Social Security uh uh budget in order to uh alleviate you know the the grotesque levels of poverty that we have uh in
This uh in this country I would also be announcing a big um uh public housing drive to to address the uh the housing crisis that we uh have in the country you know people sleeping rough and uh people living in in in sanitary accommodation and so on it also be
Announcing a big increase in the in the minimum wage as well to go go alongside the the the increase in in Social Security payments I think they would be the kind of things that would make a huge difference to people and if you wanted me to go on order to be you know
Bringing in measures to uh restrict the ability of the utilities to charge the fees that they do and also start set in train the process to bring these uh bring these utilities and rail industry Etc back into public ownership essentially what we need to do is put
The you know put the state at the at the center of creating a a good Society the states have enormous Powers at disposal and particularly in Britain because of uh you know status as a currency issuing Nation unlike in Europe of course where they’ve gone into the
Euro Zone and so in essentially what um the nations of the that are in the Euro Zone in the in the European Union they’ve been relegated to the status of a local Authority where they’re not in control of their own destiny you know and uh because they can’t issue their
Own currency anymore uh that was one good thing that Gordon Brown did when he kept us out of the out of the Euro so but I think no be my they’re my three sort of top priorities but there’s so much wrong with the country card you
Know you could go on all night so that’s Chris Williamson there talking to me early this week is a longer version of that I’ll be up on our show page at this week.org so running through his little it’s the uh money on uh social services that is to say um the welfare payments
More much more Mone going going to that uh also money going to uh the uh wait up on the minimum wage and also public housing Martin so Social Security public housing minimum wage that’s these three main things yeah well obviously the minimum wage doesn’t necessarily cost the government any money they can decide
To raise the minimum wage and it’s the the bosses who have to pay it um well I mean I’ve got nothing to disagree with there and I think he’s right that by having not being in the Euro Britain does have more flexibility than it would otherwise have but you’d also find that
We wouldn’t be allowed to do that if we tried to do it then the the then then lots of forces would immediately gang up on us are you talking about like they do a Liz truss on us well what they did to Liz Li truste you’re talking about the
City of London I’m not just talking about the city of London I’m talking about the I mean what forces are you talking well for example there was a an anonymous General who said when Jeremy cor leader of the labor party we will not allow him to come to there might be
A coup if if he try something like that might well Chris Williamson and his party managed to get amazingly a it uh and they were presenting their budget and they said they want to have uh Social Security more money for that more money for public housing and a Min
Upping the minimum wage uh that uh that there would be a coup well it might be I’m just saying they don’t presume that you can just do what you want because you can’t well you’d have to include some increase in the military wages as well then you might not have no no you
Wouldn’t necessarily it’s not a question of the ordinary grunts in the Army deciding they don’t like the government it’s it’s High UPS who are in constant communication with our American overlords okay well uh Steve Hall who we spoke to last week also asked him about the budget first of all we should be
Talking about massive public investment in productivity Levering ourselves onto The Cutting Edge of the new green some people are calling it the fourth Industrial Revolution we need clean energy there’s a debate about whether it should be nuclear whether it should be borium reactors or uranium reactors wind
Power some the vestages of fossil fuel that we might need to to cope with the problems of nuclear power throttling up and throttling down all of these things need to be talked about discussed seriously start with energy start with rail start with with infrastructure start with business startups all of
These things need to be funded by government we could even in the interim offer a job guarantee as some of the heterodox economists um suggest there are so many things we could do and we need absolutely massive public investment and we don’t have to borrow for this public investment it was it’s
Not about borrowing bonds aren about borrowing Bond money where does it go goes into it goes into savings accounts when we paid back lately with with interest but for in 30 40 years time we don’t use that money that’s simply to to set overnight interest rates to give the
Government some control of interest rates all of the money we we we invest actually is comes from a Consolidated fund now this is dismissed as money printing which is a sort of demonic term as as if that’s going to cause massive inflation well it didn’t after World War
II it did it’s not in in the United States of America at the moment they’re growing the economy and it’s not inflating inflation of course as we know is caused by Price Rises and supply shortages during the covid um incident and and you know most inflation is cost
Push it seems to me that that is going to be driving inflation up uh by putting interest rates up not down and and we were being told the opposite which eventually is what it what it does makes morg just more expensive makes rents more expensive it makes borrowing I mean
All businesses are running on credit all the time the borrowing just to keep going there’s also huge consumer credit and don’t forget there’s this huge disconnect between the base rate and the amount of money uh the amount of Interest charged by banks credit card companies I mean that that’s a market
That’s a market outside of the B rate and that’s they’re operating a cartel those those borrowing rates could be far cheaper but they operate a cartel to make sure those rates and you get ridiculous you know things like the credential way of paying 40% APR it’s it’s it’s crazy what we need of
Course at a lower interest rate it’s I would operate a zero interest rate policy at the central bank which means you don’t need bonds to sell to set the overnight interest rate and I would make that the Baseline and the market has to compete at a much lower level which
Would bring down the cost of borrowing bring down the cost of borrowing mores are cheaper it gives people more disposable income therefore aggregate demand goes up and therefore if if we invest in production to meet that demand we won’t cause inflation but if we don’t
If we don’t do that then we will get inflation so it’s all about productivity it’s about investment it’s again about bringing the economy back to health there are ways to do this but one thing and one thing gets in the way and that is that the private investors
Who are connected to mass media who have got politicians in their pockets don’t want public investment to crowd out their private investment they’re against public investment because it’s taking their business away from them I rather like the way Steve Hall explains this stuff so clearly what do you make of what he’s
Saying there though Martin well I mean I would broadly agree with that what when he’s referring to into crowding out investment when I was studying economics many years ago the the the theory was that if you have too much public investment it crowds out the private
Sector and this is a bad thing because ultimately it’s very inefficient the private sector is more efficient now this is simply wrong and I’m sure he would agree with me if if was here on the studio uh because in actual fact public investment actually makes private investment profitable yeah that’s why
Britain the you know from 1945 to the mid 1970s uh Western European and and US capitalism worked rather well is because there was quite there was no there was no nonsense about not having what we get again and again from people like Rachel Reeves and by the way it was weird to
See that it was Kia starma that responded to Jeremy Hunt on Wednesday on budget day uh I was expecting to see Rachel re pop up but no apparently they’ve decided that KIA starma is the right public relations person to do it but surely it should be the shadow Chancellor that responds to the
Chancellor not uh the uh um leader of the labor party anyway uh one of the things that um uh Steve talks about there is this whole idea of it’s not really like as Rachel Reeves always says oh it’s just like you know I was I learned about money around the table
With my mom borrowing and using money on the credit card and this sort of thing uh apparently it’s nothing like that Martin is it and Banks can just make up money out of is I was quite annoyed with Rachel ree for using that metaphor and Janis far Faris uh wrote an article in
The guardian mocking her really because it just shows I mean what she’s doing she’s she used to work for the bank of England she’s quite intelligent she should know that in act we’ve got to knock this on the head the idea that there is no money there is a massive
Amount of Magic Money Trees out there the question is what are you going to spend the Magic Money Tree money on and of course what we do with our Magic Money Tree money is we subsidize War we subsidize all the things that we we shouldn’t be subsidizing but the idea
That that you can’t you know if you you could raise taxes on the wealthy that’s perfectly feasible if you wanted to uh but you can also just print the money and if you get a bit of inflation as a result of that that actually takes the money off the wealthy
Without them be able to do anything much about it which is why they hated the the successful era of capitalism because the inflation actually took took the nest eggs away from the people who got nest in the longer version of that interview um with Steve Hall there he talks a bit
About Ben banki and who how he actually confess he says it uh and so I dug out that clip um and so here’s banki the head of the Federal Reserve uh talking about um and when they want to lend money to a bank they simply use a
Computer to mark up the size of the bank account there’s absolutely no uh debt or whatever hang I suppose it is debt but it’s not the problem this is uh this is of just clicking a button on a computer you’re making this money up out of
Nowhere is that tax money that the Fed spending it’s not tax money the banks have um accounts with the FED much the same way that you have an account in a commercial bank so to lend to a bank we simply use the computer to mark up the
Uh size of the account that they have with the Fed so it’s much more Akin uh although not exactly the same but it’s much more akin to printing money than it is to borrowing so then there’s Ben Bank spelling it out like it is he’s saying
Basically it’s just a press of a button uh creating millions of dollars for a bank that then lends the our interest yeah well in actual fact what we’ve done is by by Design we’ve just we’ve given over the creation of money to the private Bankers but there’s no reason
For that we’ve just the private Bankers are very politically powerful and they have you know that’s what you know the Federal Reserve is run by them and gives them free money which they then lend on to others as a as a profit uh and also of course they they then decide what
Things they want and what things they don’t want I know it’s a bit of a cheeky question but if could I ask you what you would do if you had uh the job of Jeremy Hunt we I mean we we got some interesting bits and Bobs there particularly really useful from Chris
Williamson giving us his three main things including of course um starting process of moving us utilities back into public ownership but what would you do well I I wouldn’t disagree with the general direction of travel that that they are proposing I would suggest though that the problem you’re going to
Have if you we should be telling people we need massive public investment people people eventually will F face up to the fact that that is the only way to get out of a major capitalist crisis is public investment now you’ve got to then say Where’s that coming from you say
Well we’re going to have to raise taxes on wealthy people things like land taxes uh you know property taxes property taxes are very good to collect because P of property can’t run away and you you could also say to people they abolish non-dom States you know what they’ll do
What they’ll do is they will take that property and they’ll sell it and then they’ll put the money abroad that you can’t okay I’m just I was just going to say in the budget as a way of stealing Labor’s clothes Jeremy Hunter has abolish is going to abolish non-dom
Status like reesi shak’s wife who’s a billionaire didn’t have to pay any tax in this country because in theory she lives in India so but you could you could easily tighten that up and you could also say to other wealthy people we think you owe so much tax and you say
You don’t you say you live in B I would say to these people uh like the former chair of the conservative party uh you will live in bise because we’re going to take your citizenship ask chis the awkward question about how you get money off of wealthy people who’ve Got
Squirreled Away abroad and you know what he said I said who do you know what he said have a guess who who are we talking about Chris Williamson I asked him about how do you get money off of people who squirrel away abroad and he said well
You have a look at where these places are they’re mostly controlled by the British crown they are indeed and so it’s a quite straightforward thing for Britain to you have to have a word with King Charles yes I know but what would happen if the British government decided
To tighten up on all these uh uh you know British dependencies is that the dirty money would flow to other places but what you can easily do and it’s quite straightforward is you could change the taxation system so instead of having a profits tax you have a turnover
Tax so somebody like Google is got massive industry M massive amount of money going through the British you say well we think you owe that much money you say that you’ve only got certain amount a profit and you’ve shown it all in Dublin we think you’ve got a lot more
Profit and the government could have civil servants assessing how much turnover they’ve got and and then you charge them and they say and they could argue back and they say no we think you owe this much that’s what you do with companies with individuals it’s even more straightforward you say if you say
You do not live in Britain and therefore you don’t have to pay the tax then you will not live in Britain now you if you go you go but you won’t come back and any property that you have in Britain we will seize it just as all of Russia’s
Foreign reserves have just been seized just like that bang $300 billion one thing’s for sure yes they want to transfer it to Ukraine well but it just shows that it can be done if you want to do it especially if we’re all going to war which they keep going on about have
The other side of their mouth you know they want to say that they want to say well we’re going to have much more prosperous future with more more millionaires more billionaires more entrepreneurs but also we’re also going to have a war which will rol sacrifice okay we’ve got a couple more items
Before we finish one is look at Rudolph Hess that flight an interview I did this week with John Harris the author uh and finally a bit about Jerusalem is the idea to make it the capital of a One World Government but uh but as we’re finishing with the finance uh patri
Opulenza this week has an ODed punch crunch drunk Judy the budget on Hunt’s red case Queen’s face did see working through the night said he a photo op in darkened room hunt lit up all bathed in Gloom proud as punch hunt then did trip through the budget
What a clip crumbs he threw to save the bacon already burnt Our Lives forsaken perhaps increase of tax could add to capital gains an idea not bad vat reduced is now High Time why is this scene by hunt as a crime a soup of Words Hunt punched his way wild staring eyes
To have his say rushy neck to Pal did sit smirking broadly he’s done his bit destroy our country from inside out unelected a wey snout smama satin greasy suit hairlike glue red nose to boot a sniffer smama perhaps air taken medicinal to stop from quaken disdain on face when budget heard crunching numbers
Quite absurd R Reeves in corner perhaps told sit while mommy starma says his bit starmer’s voice like Zippy sounds bleeding on no truth air found Reeves in suit like Undertaker a voice so dull another Faker money funneled out for war no mention of this cut we saw prec conid
And the years since then our wealth all stolen Is Us and Them a soup of words on the budget railed empty sounds from mouths exhaled between each cheek of Reds and blues bruising folks punch bags abuse laughing loud all up their sleeves a Ceta GB to through trouble Waters no matter now
The globalists Our Land hath plowed Reeves and star are in a stew no compromise is clearly true smmer Drunk on Power is clear the labor party no longer steer a farce played out in Westminster sea bludgeon lives don’t hide their Glee coffers emptied says no surprise stripped our land now
Privatized no matter how who stands in power lies deceit on us will shower two sides same coin cheap silver plated GB our land through Civ has grated carved It Up The Spoils of dust GB come hell or high water is Bast thank you very much Patricia opulenza Martin before we hear the clip
About Rudolph hes this week uh what do you make of that trip that he made in 1941 just before the Nazis invad the Soviet Union well uh he flew to Britain he claimed he claimed to be you know the you know the official record is that he
He came to Britain to negotiate the potential uh on taunt between the German uh regime and the British so that they could you know so that they could you know there was no reason for the British Empire and the Germans to fight you know we’ll we’ll we’ll deal with the Russians
For you we’ll deal with the Soviets for you what about it uh and of course you know it didn’t go anywhere you think was ever going to be a coup here or some sort of change in policy if hes arrived well I I think what happened was there
Was a big fight within the British establishment about what the policy towards Hitler was going to be and don’t forget as we know Pine Circle and so on lots of people have very deep into the establishment were quite keen on Hitler and didn’t regard him as a threat to Britain at
All even after 194 this is May 1941 after the blitz had begun and was happening every day pretty much or every night and um this was we were well into the war by this stage yes but of course the possibility of stopping a war even when you’re well into it is always there
It’s there in the Ukraine and it’s there in in Palestine but are we going to the answer is probably not okay well I’ll tell you my own view after we’ve heard from John Harris we believe he was heading for RAF dun Donald which is a controversial statement because it was
An operational RAF base just beneath glasg go why do we think RAF Donald uh done Donald well a number of reasons number one um it’s marked by inference on the flight map that hes brought with him number two it was a quiet RAF base it just recently um been emptied of um
Navigational students so on that Saturday there weren’t many people about and thirdly it was under the direct operational command again of the Duke of Hamilton so that’s why we believe uh dun Donald was the um intended target but as far as Rudolph hes was concerned the
Bf110 was a huge plane uh it was twin engined uh in my farming career I’ve got a I’ve got some tractors which are typically about 100 horsepower each and they’re quite substantial machines um the H plane had 2,000 horsepower engines 10 times uh the size of my tractor engine so they were pretty
That was pretty huge and they were spping fuel at the rate of around 660 L per hour so that’s where the timings come in uh to importance because took off at 5:45 crashed at 7 minutes past 11 that’s roughly 5 hours 24 minutes and a me SMI 110 held just short
Of 1300 lers of fuel in its tanks and so consequently It could only typically fly for round about two hours so there’s been a lot of speculation in the past that oh well it couldn’t have been the H plane because he couldn’t have carried enough fuel ostensibly that
Is of course the case but what Hess had got in addition to the the fuel tanks in the wing was um twin auxiliary fuel tanks and the Lu waffer supplied those in um in um 900 liter sizes there quite a lot of of evidence to support the fact
That Hess had got two 900 L uh fuel tanks that meant that he’ got Circ of 3,000 L of fuel on board when he took off so as far as fuel was concerned he hadn’t got a problem he’d got sufficient fuel to make the flight that we know uh took
Place however where life gets somewhat more interesting is that the Met Smith 110 had two huge Dame leben 601 engines as I’ve said said and they were of a dry sump uh design which meant that oil was actually utilized not recycled so it would use oil at a rate
Of between 7 and 9 lers per hour and behind each of these huge engines were a 35 L oil tank so simple mathematics means that if if the engines were you being uh were using oil at 9 L per hour then the plane could only fly for 4
Hours which we know uh it supposedly uh flew for 5 hours 24 minutes so it’s the oil which is the interesting issue and the luw obviously had thought of that too so it also had an auxiliary oil tank um option that could be fitted and
The uh the radio operator in the in the plane would pump the oil through to the engine tank from the auxiliary tank unfortunately in the Hess aair there was no um radio operator so consequently there was nobody to uh pump any oil and the in the fusar which still
Resides at duckford to this day um there is no auxiliary oil tank either uh instead there’s a big brass nut that is wired in place so Hess certainly did not have an auxiliary oil tank and that then this is quite old information we we’ve probably discussed this before Tony because there was no
Auxiliary oil tank fitted hesk could not have flown for 5 hours 24 minutes without his engine seizing through loss of oil and it’s that basic fact that has driven us to do more work and we now are absolutely convinced that he landed on Route at a place called Geeson in Northern
Germany refueled and reoiled and that then enabled him to take off again with sufficient Fuel and oil to land and fly as he did to um to L and Scotland from Geeson he flew up the North Sea at an angle of 335° how do we know that that’s on a map
That um the plowman that arrested him on um uh on on Landing tore from his knee and that was a navigational chart that we were sent a copy of years ago and then the issue becomes when to turn left as you quite rightly say between um the Edinburgh air defenses and the Newcastle
Air defenses and it’s at that point that think the flight began to unravel um when hes wrote years later to his wife who lived in Bavaria after the war from his prison cell in Spandau in Berlin he bemoan the fact that at the decisive moment as he called it IE went
To turn left His Radio Compass failed him and we take that to mean that he lost contact with the radio navigation system and so consequently he didn’t know for sure when to turn left yeah well that’s a little bit awkward isn’t it imagine you’re flying
Up in the in the evening uh up the North Sea right up the middle of the North Sea and you got a turn left land in Scotland and then all of a sudden your radio navigation equipment goes blank so maybe the Germans had switched off the towers maybe that’s because they weren’t doing
A raid that night but maybe it’s because they knew exactly where hes was and they were trying to cause trouble for him so anyway that we do discuss that in the longer interview probably have another clip from that next week uh but the two books uh that uh that John has just
Brought out are one is conspiracy Calamity and coverup uh John Harris about the flight and the other one is called the Rudolph hes flight book which looks at the various radio navigation AIDs that hes was using but the point really here is and John and I disagree
About this but we have very polite conversations about it about whether or not there really was any chance of Hess in being involved in some kind of armistice between Nazi Germany and Britain in May 1941 uh this it looks to me was a very clever ruse by MI6 uh and we do talk
About this in the longer interview an tank brenus who was the uh for the Nazi Ambassador or not sorry he was a Finnish ambassador to Nazi Germany and also in touch with MI6 persuading hes that there was a real chance of all this happening and that there was a big faction in
Britain that was against Churchill and that all he needed to do was come over and everything would be wonderful but there’s another motive here for MI6 as they were one by one including uh later on in the War uh Reinhard hyrich what they were doing was making sure that the
People who’d been friends with Hitler and Hitler saw hyrich for example as his successor that these people were either murdered or gotten spun out of the way from Hitler’s Inner Circle by MI6 in different Fashions this just being H just being one of them in order to leave
Martin Borman as the most influential Nazi very close uh to Adolf Hitler in the last years of the second world war so uh anyway I’ll put the full interview with John Harris up on our show page about the H flight and his new books on that topic at this week.org do.uk and we
Finished this week uh with David senson who’s brought out a film he he does a website um or he’s part of a website called stop World control uh and this is a a film just out literally the last few weeks about the what he calls the
Zionist plan uh to uh create a one world government based in Jerusalem so this is the mystery of Israel that has been solved it it has nothing to do with what the ancient scriptures say about what Israel is it is diametrically the opposite of that it was founded and financed by
Blatant satanists who have an agenda for world domination and who want to have the support of the billions of Christians from around the world so that that they can succeed in their agenda I understand that it’s extremely shocking if you hear this for the first time but all this information can be researched
You can find more and more evidence for this when you do your due diligence I want to invite you to become part of building a better world where we don’t support entities that create war and murder hundreds of thousands and even millions of people we are not here to make this world
A place of horror and Terror and fear and destruction we are here to bring love Justice and goodness amongst all of humanity this is our purpose that’s why this film was made to expose an extremely nefarious agenda their plan is to incite World War so that they can use that as an excuse
For establishing a One World Government which would then supposedly bring peace we have the choice to fall into this trap or to open our eyes and have the courage to stand up for what is right and prevent their agenda so that is uh the what his name
Anyway is David senson it’s stop world control.com is where he resides and that’s certainly his view is that the idea is that Jerusalem will keep going uh and that the the plan is to make that the center of a world government and the idea of course Is AO create massive
Amounts of chaos a third world war um and to bring peace based in Jerusalem out of it all well this almost seems to be a kind of upside down version of God’s plan for mankind but that’s what you’d expect I suppose from these accelerationists and Armageddon isn’t it
Uh so time to sign off now thanks very much to our guests Irish Republican labor activist Martin Summers uh Bristol’s green counselor for Central Ward Annie Stafford towns end also calls to Judith Brown uh for Dr Judith Brown uh who’s a Yemen expert and a fact
Checker and just about to start her uh information control substack as well of course as Bristol’s freelance or Bristol freelance journalist Joe Banks uh and to sound engineer Dave pazenko and particularly also of course to Patricia opulenza our poet uh resident poet it uh you can download our MP3s to listen in
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If Greens get in anywhere you will get a load of woke climate change and trans nonsense coming in . Spare us please, the country is already bad enough