The Truth About Hydrogen Therapy with Greg the Hydrogen Man

Hydrogen machine mentioned: code SARAHK – https://holyhydrogen.com/SARAHK
Water distiller mentioned: code SARAHK – https://mypurewater.com/?sld=sarahk
Greg’s YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/@UPRISING144K?si=zxBayR9KtozqkO08

In this episode, you will be able to:
-Discover the remarkable benefits of hydrogen therapy for holistic well-being.
-Uncover the powerful antioxidant properties and health benefits of hydrogen.
-Explore the diverse applications of hydrogen therapy for various health conditions.
-Understand the crucial importance of quality hydrogen equipment for effective therapy.
-Learn about personalized protocols for optimizing hydrogen therapy for individual health needs.

Greg the Hydrogen Man is a distinguished figure in the realm of hydrogen therapy, renowned for his comprehensive expertise and practical insights into the benefits of molecular hydrogen for health. With a strong focus on holistic healthcare practices, Greg’s in-depth understanding of the therapeutic applications of hydrogen has established him as a trusted authority in the field. His dedication to enhancing well-being through hydrogen therapy implementation is evident in his extensive research and practical experience, making him a valuable resource for individuals seeking to explore the transformative potential of this innovative approach to health and wellness. Greg’s contributions to the understanding of hydrogen therapy underscore his commitment to empowering others with the knowledge and tools to optimize their health through natural and holistic means.

The key moments in this episode are:
00:00:00 – Introduction to Molecular Hydrogen and its Health Benefits
00:02:05 – Molecular Hydrogen vs. Traditional Antioxidants
00:06:00 – Hydrogen’s Impact on Brain Health
00:08:33 – Understanding Hydrogen as an Antioxidant
00:11:55 – The Simplicity and Efficacy of Molecular Hydrogen
00:12:23 – Introduction to Hydrogen Therapy
00:16:15 – Practical Applications of Hydrogen Therapy
00:23:41 – The Holy Hydrogen Machine
00:24:38 – Understanding the Complexity of Hydrogen Equipment
00:26:33 – The Japanese Advancement in Hydrogen Technology
00:28:31 – Importance of Purity in Hydrogen Production
00:34:23 – Reliability and Longevity of Hydrogen Machines
00:36:14 – Hydrogen Protocols for Medical Conditions
00:37:53 – Morning Protocol and Water Quality
00:39:15 – Impact of Hydrogen on Overall Health
00:42:47 – Importance of Lab-Tested Hydrogen Machines
00:46:03 – Personal Hydrogen Protocol and Inhalation
00:49:30 – Early Results and Expectations
00:50:11 – Long-term Health Benefits
00:52:47 – Clean Water and Hydrogen
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             Hello, everybody. Welcome back to quantum Conversations. Today.

Carrie and I are excited to have a guest here with us, Greg, the hydrogen man. We are going to talk all about hydrogen.         
             So thank you for being here, Greg. Oh, thanks for having me. It’s a pleasure to talk to you guys. Yeah.

And we were just kind of talking before we turned the camera on.         
             There’s ridiculous amount of literature on hydrogen and maybe, I don’t know, Carrie, how do you want to start the conversation? I’ll let you jump in.

I mean, let’s just assume that this is the first time anyone’s ever heard of it. And so what is the hydrogen that we’re talking about? What is molecular hydrogen?         
             And then we can go from why we might want to consider therapeutic uses of it. Yeah, I think.

Well, I would say that the very first thing is for people who don’t know, hydrogen can be used for a lot of things, but we’re primarily talking about health today, even though there’s a lot of things in regards to, like, athletic performance, also in the antiaging aspect of molecular hydrogen.

But as far as health wise, just because, well, for me personally, that’s what transformed my life and other people that I personally know. So that’s what we were talking a little bit of off camera about, the uses or what you can do with molecular hydrogen.        


             To me, it’s like the biggest no brainer I’ve ever seen. Obviously, it has a really positive impact on health. There’s over  studies, so we’re not talking like  studies or , like over . That’s a lot. And even in Japan, there’s a lot of power out there that wants to suppress certain things.        


             In regards to the whole pharmaceutical field, I will begin by saying I’m not giving any medical advice today to anybody out there, and I’m not making any medical claims. Please consult your physicians. And so even in Japan, they actually ran into a lot of roadblocks.

And the problem is that luckily, there was people who were so passionate about this and continued to do the scientific studies, and eventually they just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that hydrogen has these amazing properties that affect us in such positive ways.

I believe the number and the numbers just keep climbing.         
             So it’s hard to know the exact numbers right now, but I believe it’s somewhere in the neighborhood of  different diseases or medical conditions that hydrogen has been shown to be positive for. And, I mean, that’s a lot.

They showed the amount of pharmaceutical pills that you would need to take for these conditions, and the list was so massive. And in some, they even did a study where they would use hydrogen compared to the best pharmaceutical for certain conditions.

And hydrogen will work better without any side effects, and not only without any side effects, but actually positive things like the antiaging aspect and helping the body basically kind of, quote unquote, heal and repair by dealing with the free radical damage,

Which is one of the kind of the amazing parts of hydrogen is how it deals with reactive oxygen species and basically oxidative stress, which the Japanese discovered is responsible for almost all diseases.         
             Something like % or % of all disease comes down to oxidative stress.

So it seems like, obviously a no brainer. Yeah, no, that’s a great introduction right there. So I think a lot of people have this understanding that I’ve got a disease diagnosis. I must have to treat that specific condition, when in actuality, there’s an underlying thread here that we’re talking.        


             You know, I’m going to go general here, Sarah. I’m going to break that down. And that’s, that’s what we would probably all call inflammation, right? This reactive oxygen stress, the reactive oxygen species, and then the need to calm that inflammation.

And I think, greg, this is a fun question, because, and these are questions that we get in our communities and things like that on social media, and it’s like, okay, so if I need to calm all of this oxidative stress, all this inflammation, well, can’t I just

Take a bunch of greens juices or vitamin C?         
             Or can’t I supplement it with these antioxidant rich supplements? And why should I even consider hydrogen as a means of doing it? So, although vegetables, in my opinion, are great for you and vitamin C is great for you, all those things are important.

But the thing that makes hydrogen different, and I really wish I had the chart here for you, is one thing that people don’t know. Maybe they can just take this today.         
             Antioxidants come in different sizes. I don’t think people really understand this.

So if I were to tell you that vitamin C is this size and that coq ten was this size, and you have all these different vitamin e, all these antioxidants, well, hydrogen, you wouldn’t be able to see it. It’s like a grain of sand, it’s so tiny.

And that’s actually one of the unique properties of it, is that it can literally get into every nook and cranny in the body, and that includes into the mitochondria.         
             Good luck getting coq ten, or vitamin c, into the core of the mitochondria.

And on top of it all, it goes past the blood brain barrier. So now we’re talking about reaching the brain. I think this is one of the reasons that I’ve been so fascinated by what I’ve seen it do for dementia and Alzheimer’s. It’s been unbelievable.         
             We know that in the medical establishment,

There’s virtually no treatment for Alzheimer’s. I mean, they have these really expensive treatments that are not really designed to reverse it or anything. It’s mostly just to like, oh, let’s just keep it from advancing. And then, of course, you’re like, this person’s already lost. Okay, what do you mean keep it from advancing?        


             They’re already lost. And so hydrogen, I’ve seen it. I have videos, I have before and after pictures, testimonials. It’s really remarkable what I’ve seen it do for some people in regards to Alzheimer’s and dementia. It’s a miracle.         
             I don’t know if you guys remember the story

About the lady who had a mother. She’s the one that has a dementia and Alzheimer’s. The mother, the daughter, got one of the devices that obviously we all use and really love. We’ll probably talk about how it’s affecting Sarah’s daughter also, or child.

And anyway, when she started using the hydrogen on her mother with the Alzheimer’s, the changes were so dramatic, she started documenting it.         
             She started taking pictures and everything, and that’s luckily how I got the pictures, because you can see the difference on her face.

And her mother did not even recognize her own daughter. And after using the hydrogen for months, she could recognize her daughter. She became more cognitive, more coherent. And I’ve seen this, actually with other people, too.         
             And it’s amazing for the brain. I don’t know.

I know that as I’ve been using hydrogen, my brain, I don’t even know how I remember half the stuff I know these days, and it’s because I’m retaining stuff so much better. It’s just really nice when you get your body what it really needs, the proper hydration. And this hydrogen is a miracle.        


             And I do believe in the power of nature. I will say this. I believe in a lot of nature is so incredible, and there’s so much to learn, and so many medicines come from nature. And for people out there who don’t know, you’ve heard of that place, Lourdes, France? Or Lourdes, France.        


             I mean, this is water that’s springing up from nature, and it was having all these positive effects on people. People are claiming that they’ve been healed from all these medical conditions, and lo and behold, now they discover that that water has high levels of molecular hydrogen, which

Is exactly what we’re talking about. So even nature does it. I mean, that’s just incredible. I got to say that.         
             Yeah, no, super helpful. And I think. So let’s take people into, like, I want to give a brief overview, because I think I can

Hear people saying, okay, well, what is it actually about the hydrogen that makes it an antioxidant? Isn’t hydrogen just this gas, or isn’t it just an atom? How is it able to calm inflammation?         
             And so, for that, we have to first say that

This inflammation and this oxidative stress, what is happening at that level is we have these entities in the cell, oftentimes in the mitochondria, that are searching for an electron. It’s a very unstable element deep inside of the cell, and these reactive oxygen species

Or reactive nitrogen species, essentially, in order to calm the inflammation that they create. All they’re looking for is an electron. Electrons like to be paired. That makes them happy, that calms them down.         
             And if an electron is unpaired, as it is in

These inflammatory entities, then it’s going to want to reach that offered electron anywhere it can find one. And unfortunately, oftentimes that would be in the mitochondria itself. Right, the mitochondrial membrane or the cell membrane or other parts of the cell.

And that would then, once you steal an electron from this part of the mitochondrial membrane, well, now this is lacking an electron, and now it’s looking to steal an electron. And this creates a cascade of unchecked inflammation.         
             And in our speak, in our community, we really

See it fundamentally as creating mitochondrial dysfunction. And again, we believe that is the heart of a lot of underlying factor in so many of these disease states as well. Mitochondrial dysfunction creates more reactive oxygen species in a very, very vicious cycle.

And so what is it, Greg, about the actual hydrogen, besides its size, that allows it to actually calm this inflammation is. I’ll say it the way that I believe is the easiest way to understand.          
             The first thing that I’ll say is the way that you were talking about this cascading event

Is basically, the body needs to be in balance. Everything really is about homeostasis. I don’t think people totally understand that, because they’re like, oh, I just want a bunch of antioxidants. Well, if you antioxidize everything in your body, you die. You need a balance of oxidation and antioxidation, though.        


             I think that in general population, the majority of us are out of balance, and we have too much oxidation just because of everything that’s either in the food, the air, the water, it’s just nuts these days. Really crazy.

But what hydrogen appears to do, as far as I have seen, is really bring balance to the body. That’s why when people want to just take a certain supplement and they take way too much, you kind of can throw your body out of balance, too.

But hydrogen, literally, like, if you take it in and it does what it magically does, if you get too much of it with every exhale, you’re literally just off gassing the hydrogen.         
             So it self balances. It’s like self regulating.

And that’s something that I love about hydrogen, also, because you don’t have to worry about it. You just have to worry about getting enough. And if you happen to get too much, no big deal.         
             Your body just literally breathes it out.

But the other interesting thing about hydrogen is that it appears to have an affinity to oxygen. And I think this is going to really help explain this whole thing, because reactive oxygen species, this oxidative stress, it’s like a form of oxygen. And so that’s what I think.

Hydrogen, why it does this so effortlessly, it just goes into the body because it does it selectively.         
             That’s the other interesting part. Like, vitamin C doesn’t do this selectively. It does it indiscriminately. It just goes and does what it does.

And we don’t really want too much vitamin C all the time, and that’s not going to be good for us either.         
             Again, life is about balance. And so hydrogen appears to be that balance. It’s the great balancer.

And so with everything that I do, it’s so foundational to have super clean water with the hydrogen. And it just goes to oxidative stress and neutralizes it.         
             Like you said, it calms that inflammation, neutralizes this free radical damage, turns the water. You flush this out of your body. It’s so beautifully simple.

And I think that also to understand it really well is oxygen obviously oxidizes, and oxygen is great. Hydrogen antioxidizes.         
             And both of these are literally what make up water. H two. Hydrogen and oxygen. It’s so beautifully simple. It’s almost a mystery why it took us so long to figure this out.        


             We’ve known about oxygen forever. We have medical grade oxygen in hospitals. But apparently nobody thought about hydrogen until the Japanese came along. And it is medically approved, obviously, they do use hydrogen in Japan, certain specialists. And so this is the real.         
             So just to drive it home for people, it’s

Like this. Hydrogen is the perfect entity because it is attracted to these reactive oxygen species. And hydrogen is so simple. It has basically a pair of electrons, right? This molecular hydrogen is two hydrogen atoms together, and they have electrons to give.         
             And so they’re willingly able to give their

Electrons because they’re small enough, they can get into the nooks and crannies in the mitochondria to these reactive oxygen species. They can calm the inflammation by simply creating water. And that’s what all of these antioxidant cascades do, right?

Like, if you look at how glutathione does its job, it’s like the end result is, ultimately, we want to make water, right? Because water is something that the body sees as life giving, life sustaining.         
             It can be energy.

And so if we can do this so simply and beautifully with molecular hydrogen, and then the only thing that the body has to then regulate is breathe out what it no longer needs it seems like it’s quite, like you said, simple strategy and quite beautiful for so many different

Conditions, it appears these days. And there’s a lot of mysteries, though, too, about hydrogen. I mean, if we want to know the full scale function as far as everything that it does or how it does it, we don’t actually know. We don’t know exactly how this is doing this because we’ve seen it.        


             This is what’s so amazing is you’ll see somebody, for example, with maybe two high levels of glutathione and people with two lower levels. And glutathione is amazing, and it’s great for our body, but you don’t want too much either. Again, life truly is about balance. People really, again, need to understand that.

And so I’ve seen some studies where it brings down the person with too much and it brings up the person with too little.         
             And, I mean, that’s like, how is it doing? What’s the full mechanism? Yeah, we figured out that it’s a selective antioxidant. Yes.

We figured out that it functions as an anti inflammatory, the way that it affects the gut, certain neuropathways, like the NRF two pathway.         
             Here’s one of the mysteries. For example, I just find it all very fascinating. So hydrogen can be in water. So you’re using water as a carrier for the gas.

Think of, like, carbonated water.         
             It has co. There’s a gas dissolved within the water. And so we can drink hydrogen water, and that’s great. But we can also inhale hydrogen gas, kind of like we inhale oxygen.

So just to simplify, for people, hydrogen is a gas just like oxygen is a gas, and they have these different types of properties, and they seem to affect the body differently.         
             And I’m actually the guy who created a certain protocol where you use the water and the gas.

And that seems to be the most powerful way that I’ve seen that hydrogen works. And there’s only a few studies out there. After I released my protocol, mysteriously, somehow they started doing studies on my protocol, and then only to find out that it worked better than any other method.

But I just find it interesting how the water will do some things that the gas doesn’t like, for example, produce ghrelin.         
             So when you use the hydrogen water, the body appears to produce ghrelin, which is a precursor to hgh, human growth hormone.

And on top of it all, for people who don’t know, ghrelin is really magical. It’s really amazing for your health, your body. And typically, the only time that your body will produce something like that is when you’re fasting. So think about that.         
             Now all of a sudden, hydrogen is doing this.

We don’t know why, but the good news is that we can see that it does these things. Yeah, someday we’ll understand why, and that’s great. But as long as we know that it’s doing these amazing things, I’m already all in on this

Stuff as far as, well, you guys already know that I love hydrogen, so it’s a fasting. Memetic in a certain way, it appears.         
             Wow, that’s so interesting. Interesting. Sarah, where do you want to go with this? I mean, there’s so many places we could go with it.

I think what we would love to talk about maybe is just some, we’ve talked about maybe the science behind it, but maybe some of the practical application of just, like, different health conditions that you’ve seen.         
             Again, not medical advice that you’ve seen this be impactful for, because we’ve kind of alluded to.

I’ve been using it with my daughter for the last six, almost seven weeks, and we had tried pretty much everything, and this has been more impactful than anything we’ve tried, which is why I’m like, all right, I want to learn more about this. Absolutely. Yeah, I think that’s a really good point, Sarah.

That’s what I wanted to learn when I was first getting into it.         
             What exactly is it good for? Tell me what condition. I can tell you what I’ve personally seen. I’ve seen arthritis just go away. And there are studies that show that it’s good for arthritis.        


             My father had arthritis, and he was on a pretty nasty medication that I was able to luckily get him off of by getting on hydrogen. People with high blood pressure issues, I’ve seen that a lot. People with cholesterol issues, I’ve seen that a lot. We talked about Alzheimer’s, dementia.

One of the shocking ones was actually eye conditions.         
             This has been so weird. My dad’s glaucoma went away, which he had for over three decades. His doctors didn’t even believe the results of his test when they showed that it was negative. They’re like, we can’t believe this.

He’s been coming to us for over  years.         
             We know he’s got glaucoma. They just couldn’t really fathom the idea that it could disappear. So I’ve seen a lot of that. Now, the other interesting ones is macular degeneration.

See, macular degeneration is another eye condition, which I didn’t even really look into or suspect until I started getting testimonials of people who had had macular degeneration and had significant improvement.         
             There was even a few people who had just completely went away.

They went hardcore on the hydrogen, which then protocols come up where we were talking about the cleanliness of the water. I would never do these protocols without using a carbon distiller. So please, nobody do this because it can be, in my opinion, dangerous. But basically, and don’t do it with cheaply made hydrogen.        


             I would never use the hydrogen pills or these little bottles for what I’m about to tell you. So I just want to make sure this is really clear. But basically, when you use really good equipment to make the hydrogen with the cleanest water,

You can put in these little cups and you can put them over your eyes. And so then you can open your eye and let the hydrogen water hit your eyeballs. And in regards to, again, macular degeneration or things like glaucoma.         
             And then I’ve even seen people’s eyesight

Improve, which has been another bonkers one. I’ve seen him more than once. I obviously saw my father too, because he quit using his glasses. I mean, I just started noticing, I’m like, God, you never wear your glasses. Dad used to wear those all the time.         
             He didn’t realize it either.

And he’s like, oh, my God, why am I not needing my glasses? And so we started seeing people’s vision improve. I actually just went to the eye doctor not long ago because, see, my father got glaucoma at a very young age, so I have to definitely monitor myself. Otherwise you can go blind.        


             So I go get my eyes checked, and just recently, when I got my eyes checked, the doctor, I mean, I’ve been going to this guy for years now too. And he’s looking in my eyes and he’s like, he seems almost like he can’t believe it.

And then I ask him, because I’m curious, I’m like, are you seeing something that I should be concerned with? What’s going on? He’s like, well, the thing is that as you age, he said, you can see in the eyes just like a dentist.        


             You can see the aging of the eyes, the aging, for example, of your teeth as you get older. He says, but I’m looking at your eyes and he’s like, I’m not kidding you. If I didn’t know your age, he said, I would guess they’re  years old, because he said, it’s very normal.

For people to build, like a cataract by certain ages, and technically, almost everybody would have it by, again, quote unquote, certain times in your life and age. And he’s like, you got nothing.         
             He’s like, it’s unbelievable. So he was having a pretty hard time believing that, too.

So I’ve seen a lot in regards to eye health, and for people who don’t know, your eyes are literally part of your brain. That’s what I was going to say. If there’s so many benefits for brain degeneration or degenerative neurological diseases, then

It would make sense to me because the eyes are basically like the brain on the outside.         
             Absolutely. Yeah, that makes sense to me. And so that’s another real positive thing that I think that we can see.

And for people who are like, oh, well, this is great, maybe someday when I get sick. Preventative care.         
             This is what’s so interesting about the japanese health care as compared to american healthcare here. We just wait till you get sick and then we try to give you something for symptoms.

The japanese medical establishment works on a lot on preventative care. So if you can prevent it by drinking clean water that doesn’t have the craziest stuff, I mean, I do have a lab report here that shows what’s in water. It’s just absolutely nuts.         
             Like, if you actually knew it was in there,

You’re just scared of death to drink that stuff. Of course it’s going to make you sick, in my opinion. I mean, how could it not? There’s stuff in water that we knowingly, we know that it makes you sick, and so you want to prevent that.

You don’t want to just keep drinking crappy filtered water or just straight up tap water then get sick.         
             We all know, at least a lot of us know, that once you end up having to go to a doctor, they don’t actually have real solutions. We think they do.

You pay all this money for medical insurance, thinking someday they’re going to help you, and then you finally get there, and either they don’t give you the best treatment because your insurance doesn’t cover it, or they just try to give you some, I’ll just give you a

Pill for the pain or this for that. They don’t have a lot of solutions. And so I think preventative care is super important.         
             Unfortunately, I have to go through hell to realize that it’s hard to turn around. I think most of us do, unfortunately.

And yeah, the state of our health care system is very sad, having dealt with it intimately over the last year. It’s like, I don’t want to be caught in it. So I think that a lot of people will kind of balk at the hydrogen machine, and I’m sure we’ll get the comments.        


             I got a bunch of comments under the video that Greg and I did on my channel. I get it. It’s a pricey machine. But when you think about health care, we’re right now fighting with the ambulance company

Because my daughter has had to be taken away in an ambulance so many times last year from these life threatening seizures, and they are trying to come after us for like $,. It’s insane, even though our insurance is paid.         
             And it’s like, my husband the other night

Was just like, I understand why people just die now in our health care system because they get so tired. It’s not even necessarily the disease that takes them down. It’s all the arguing they have to do with these insurance companies, the fighting they have to do to get in to see a doctor.

Then the doctor may just pass you over or just give you a medication. And so I understand that some of these things, most of what Carrie and I talk about is completely free, by the way.         
             But when we talk about something like a hydrogen machine, I do get a lot of pushback.

And I’m like, hey, trust me, you don’t want to go to the other side of what our health care system looks like and the cost of that, because it’s not a fun system to get caught up in at know. I know that. I’ll go ahead just really quickly.

Greg, I think this would be a great time, too, then, to just, let’s let everyone know.         
             It’s the holy hydrogen, the Lord’s hydrogen fixed machine from holyhydrogen.com. Is that the one that you’ve, out of all the products that you’ve ever vetted, and I know

You have done extensive research and trialing on so many different hydrogen based modalities. And so what is it about that particular machine, and why is it superior to everything else you’ve tried? Because, as Sarah was saying, it absolutely is pricey. I mean, it is.         
             It’s probably about $, or so.

So it is a costly machine, us, right, us dollars in the grand scheme of things, compared to, say, a supplement that I could buy on a monthly basis. So what is it about that machine that stood out to you so much?

So that’s really where you want people to focus on when it comes to hydrogen applications. So I’m, like, crazy detail oriented and when I was learning about the hydrogen first, I was actually naive because I was reading the studies and I was thinking, oh my God, hydrogen is so amazing.          
            

I’m going to try to find a way to make this stuff or find equipment. I didn’t realize that all the equipment is not created equal, and it’s kind of like a car. You think all cars are created equal? No. Some are really reliable and some are just trash.        


             And so there’s different qualities or different levels of cars. Well, in the world of hydrogen, oh, man, it was so complicated. I had to learn about, for example, the science of metals. I had to learn about membranes and what’s in them.

I had to learn all the different ways that you can make hydrogen.         
             There’s multiple different ways. And then I had to look at the science of it as far as what levels of hydrogen do we actually need, how do you want to implement it?

We already spoke a little bit about the water, but not just the water, the gas inhalation, too. So what do I need to do then? Buy two pieces of equipment?         
             This is the path that I was going down, trying to learn and understand and by looking at data.

So I was totally non biased. I’m not going towards one company because, and I have had a lot of companies offer me money and I’ve turned a lot of them down because they are product stock, sorry to say, but I wasn’t going to share with people something that doesn’t work or isn’t good.

And this eventually took me, and then I started realizing that pretty much all the stuff is made in were. The science of metals from China is actually not very good.         
             One of the reasons. Have you ever seen that? Do we have chinese cars in America? No, because their metal sucks.

If you’ve ever seen a chinese car do a crash test, they just turn into an accordion.         
             They don’t have a very good science of metals. And if you look at the best cars, typically you’re looking at know Americans have good science and metals.

The Japanese have actually unbelievable science of metals, and the Germans do too. And so anyway, all this eventually led down and nobody’s interested in making the best hydrogen machines. So that’s why you don’t see a machine that’s truly american made, one where they truly

Invested the time and the money, and ultimately led me to Japan, not only the country that really developed and figure out hydrogen, but then now, and this happened to be the number one machine in Japan, and I didn’t even know that.         
             I didn’t just go and look for the number one

Machine in Japan. I was looking at the data and the facts. What makes the machine so unique is one the metal, the metal that they use. Like nobody in the world. There is not one hydrogen machine out there that uses this level of the science and the

Technology of the metal that they’re using.         
             Like, for example, this little bottle is from China, and these are really popular right now. They use not only a low quality metal, but it’s also plated. I don’t like plated metals when it comes to hydrogen.

Know, in my opinion, it’s going to flake off through the electrolysis process. And the last thing I want to do is be ingesting heavy metals.         
             That’s one issue. The Japanese, the metal that they developed, and they knew that it was super important.

I got to talk to people in Japan and ask a lot of questions. This is how I figured out what they had. They had a special company in Japan that actually, there’s only one company in the world, and it happens to be a japanese company.         
             And they make these really special metals

For different very specialized equipment. A lot of equipment goes literally to outer space. So they build some very special metals, and they were requested by the hydrogen company, like, hey, we want you to develop this special metal for the machine. And they even told them, they said, your request is impossible.

What you want us to make is just not possible.         
             And then a few years later, they made a technological breakthrough, and boom, they were able to make them up. And it’s not cheap. I mean, we’re talking about something that’s like fine jewelry.

I mean, it is not cheap to make this super high purity, super high quality metal. And that was just one part of it that was not even the whole, like, oh, we got the metal now.         
             The machine will be the best ever. No, now you go into the membrane.

So the membrane that it uses. I saw lab tests on membranes, and they’re kind of freaking me out, because do you guys know about. Live in PFAS?         
             I live in major PFAS territory. I’m in southwest Michigan. It’s everywhere.

And you’re going to want to get a really good carbon distiller, because I have the lab report here. As far as how much PFAS is in the water and how much it eliminated, it eliminated all of them.         
             So it goes to zero. So super important.

For people who don’t know PFAS, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it causes cancer. Just so everybody out there is aware of what we’re dealing with here. Nasty, nasty stuff.         
             And it’s everywhere, like you said.

And so when I’m looking at some of these lab tests on these membranes, I’m seeing they have pfas in them, and I’m thinking, oh, my goodness, I don’t want to be using a bottle that the hydrogen is going through a membrane that has pfods in it. That’s just not what I want.

And so the Japanese apparently knew and understood this, and they developed a special membrane. It’s an all japanese made membrane.         
             I’m not going to name the companies that make membranes for these products. They’re not japanese. That’s all I’m going to say.

And so the number one machine in the world, which, again, happens to be a japanese machine, they understood, okay, we need to take this to the next level. We need to develop a membrane.         
             And so they developed a membrane, and that

Membrane ended up doing crazy, amazing things from the best nano bubbles. They even started structuring the hydrogen. It was doing things that I don’t think even they expected. And the results ended up being so amazing. I’m going to be releasing a video.         
             They made a breakthrough.

They’re basically doing something with hydrogen that was originally deemed impossible, and they’re doing it. And so I’m not supposed to say too much right now, but I’m going to be releasing the laboratory footage of what exactly it’s doing.

But I think it has a big impact on how it affects the body, because, as you were saying, I have tried other hydrogen machines. I tried a bunch of them at the beginning stages because I was trying to figure all this out,

Kind of noticing that some of them really didn’t give me results.         
             And I just thought all hydrogen would be the same. And it really wasn’t. And it really wasn’t, actually, until I went to the hydro fix, like, for example, I had a heart condition. I had a lot of conditions.

I had a lot of medical issues.         
             I did not expect my heart condition to go away. It was one of the things that I just didn’t expect. And when I started doing the proper hydrogen, it did go away.

And then I saw this happen with multiple other people at this point who had heart conditions. Theirs also went away.         
             So that was, like, unbelievable. I was told I needed surgery. Can you imagine? You get all cut up and they break your rib cage and get in there? And that’s scary.        


             I mean, it’s scary for me. And so that was another very special part of the technology. And then, of course, the way that they develop, like, they don’t use any chemicals, so a lot of people like the chemical reactions. Yes. Some of the machines use lye or sodium hydroxide.        


             I would never do that. I think that’s incredibly foolish. And the hydrofix doesn’t do that. It has a special cartridge. Everything’s food grade, so everything’s extremely high purity.         
             I wish I would have known this back when I was looking for the best machine.

There’s a doctor who is a true hydrogen specialist in Japan. So he uses hydrogen in his practice. He’s also a neurosurgeon. So if anybody understands who’s the smartest people in the medical field, neurosurgeons are out there.         
             And a professor, I believe, of neurosurgery.

He’s one of the head people of Red Cross or something. I mean, he is high up in Japan. He’s incredibly smart. You’ll never see him on a podcast because he’s working.         
             He’s an actual practicing physician. He’s not a person who, like these supposed doctors sometimes that do these podcasts,

Turns out they’re just like a chiropractor or something. But this guy is a true hydrogen specialist, and I found out that he only recommends the Lord’s hydrofix premium for his patients, and apparently he himself uses only that machine.

And he said it’s for a reason, because they even sell things like hydrogen pills out there. And I know there’s people in America that they claim to be specialists in this type of stuff, but then they’re promoting or suggesting hydrogen pills, which after what I’ve seen,

After lab reports of what’s in them, I would never use them.         
             And I remember asking the question in regards to why is purity so important? And the japanese doctor was saying that purity is important because hydrogen goes past the blood brain barrier. I mean, it’s extremely important. Kind of like with.

I don’t even know if I want to say the word, but I’ll just say the little needles that go in your arm, and it starts with a v.         
             We can’t even say the word. The back, blah, blah, blah.

Everybody knows you’re afraid to even say that because they might flag you or something. But there’s things in that stuff, and it can go past a blood brain barrier, and we all know the kind of effects that that can have. So it’s very important to make things extremely clean, in my opinion.        


             And that seems to be the way it is in the medical establishment, anyway. You look at the medical grade oxygen, you don’t want to just go to a welding center and use their oxygen. It really isn’t the same. So purity means a lot. Even pharmaceutical drugs have to be of high purity.        


             That’s why the street drugs are so dangerous. It’s because they’re not pure, they’re dirty. God knows what they’re mixed with. And so purity is of the utmost importance. And so this machine basically just makes super clean, medical grade hydrogen, which is like, even if people might be like, oh, my God, $,.        


             You have no idea. Like, I originally thought it was expensive, too. Once I start realizing what it takes to make medical grade hydrogen, you’re like, that is cheap. That’s like seeing a Ferrari for $,, and you’re like, oh, my gosh, that’s a lot of money. No, that’s a bargain.        


             You don’t realize that until you really start digging deep. It’s actually very cheap to make both the water and the gas, too. The machine does both. So that’s another big one because people have emailed me and said, hey, I need to buy this one machine.

And then this other machine, I’m like, no, you don’t.         
             And the reliability is another big one. That’s probably one of the biggest things I learned by buying so many machines. Like, even these things, I had people message me, they’re like, it already broke. It broke within a month.        


             It is a chinese product. Some people say it literally broke within a week or two. These are the kind of comments that I’m getting. Well, the hydro fix, one of the things that the Japanese did for a lot of people who don’t know about how they do engineering, they literally stress test.

They try to break the machines because they want to find a weak point so they can strengthen those and make the machines really reliable.         
             Man, mine has been all the machines that I’ve ever had from them, extremely reliable. They’re literally, like, the most reliable.

They’re not just the best hydrogen machine I’ve ever seen, and not just the only one that makes the water and the gas at a high level, but on top of it all, it’s reliable. And so it can just last years and years and years.

I mean, we’re talking so many years that in the long term, I realized it ends up being the cheapest way of getting hydrogen.         
             That’s what was kind of ironic here. You think it’s expensive, but you’re just paying for it up front, you take care of it,

And this thing will just run for a long time, which you’re going to want, because it’s kind of like clean water. If you have a carbon distiller, like we were talking about. You want it to last you a super long time. You don’t want it to break every year or every six months.        


             That would be very frustrating and expensive. So if it can last a long time, I don’t mind paying a little more for something that’s going to last ten times longer, if not more than that. I don’t know if that answers your question about why I think that machine is so great.

It’s super helpful for people because that can be a high upfront cost. But no, I love molecular hydrogen.         
             And the fact that this machine can do both, dissolve it into the water and then also can be an inhalation technique.

I think that’s a game changer for people, both for preventative and also just helping them heal from all the different conditions that now hydrogen is showing to be efficacious for. Would you be willing to share your protocol?

Is that fair, free knowledge, or do you want people to download an ebook to get that, or sign up for a newsletter with you or something along those lines? But I’d be curious to see I can share it.         
             I mean, everything I do for people out there

Who don’t know, you can go to YouTube. The name of my YouTube channel is called uprising one four. Everything is free. Everything that I’ve done is to try to give it for free. The only reason I sometimes hold off on some information is primarily for two reasons.        


             One, it gets stolen and other people take credit for my work. So I have had that happen. Two, as far as protocols, it depends on what your condition is. So I can’t just give a blanket protocol. Like, I could give you numerous examples, people with on high blood pressure medication.        


             If you’re going to get on hydrogen and do a proper protocol, it’s not that you don’t want to do it, it’s that you have to monitor your blood pressure very closely, because hydrogen works so good that what I’ve seen

Is, let’s say you’re taking a certain amount of medicine to maintain your quote, unquote healthy blood pressure. You start using hydrogen, boom, you start dropping, and you start having too low blood pressure. And so eventually what happens is work with your doctor, right?

Eventually they start weaning you off the medicine, you continue the hydrogen protocol, and then eventually you’re pretty much off the medicine. And I’ve seen this happen a lot.         
             I’ve seen the same thing happen with people with diabetes. So that’s another thing that I see disappear all the time, is diabetes.

When you’re using hydrogen. The problem is, if you’re using insulin or if you’re using, like, I don’t know, metformin or some type of medication for your diabetes, and you start using hydrogen, well, all of a sudden you could have your blood glucose drop too much. So you have to back off the medicine.        


             So this is why it’s hard. I can tell you. My protocols are also implemented with other things, like, super clean water is part of my protocol, and of course, we’re using water as a carrier for the hydrogen. So why wouldn’t I want the cleanest water in the world?

I mean, that’s just another part of it.         
             But I’ll tell you kind of what I do, if you guys want to know, briefly, like, what I do. So when I first wake up in the morning, the very first thing I do, most people always want to go pee.

That’s probably the very first thing that most people do. Ironically, I don’t do that anymore. I used to, but hydrogen has this effect on your bladder.         
             And I don’t know if you guys have noticed this or if you’re going to notice it more time. I don’t get up to pee anymore.

I literally sleep through the whole night like a rock. It’s insane because I wake up, like, once to pee, and I’m like, it’s cool, it’s fine, not a big deal, because I go right back to sleep, so I’m not worried about it.

But since the last six, seven weeks, I’ve been doing the hydrogen.         
             I don’t wake up to pee at all. Is it unbelievable? Yeah. And my body also, just, on a side note, is kind of like an incinerator. Like, I was already pretty optimized with my leptin and my weight and everything.        


             I literally eat something, and my body is like fire. My metabolism, for a almost  year old woman, is, like, pretty crazy.         
             You’re literally hitting exactly the experiences that me and many people have given this testimonial.

And it was funny because when I was doing the hydrogen, I never read a study about it, saying it stops you from going pee at night. I never saw any study. It’s a complaint that I get from so many women in my private group and messages on my dms.

I don’t want to get up to pee at night anymore.         
             And I’m like, well, as long as you go back to sleep, I’m not super worried about it. But, yeah, but it’s so uncomfortable. I mean, who wants to wake up? It’s nice to sleep through the night.

It’s nice to have that control, and not just for women, but for men.         
             And in my opinion, prostate health and even things like ed, erectile dysfunction. I guess for people who don’t know what Ed is, and because of the way that hydrogen also the blood flow factor.

If anybody watched my video, number , it’s so unbelievable. I mean, it’s so unbelievable. I’ve had doctors contact me and say, that can’t be real.         
             And even one doctor did this. They literally wanted to do the study themselves to try to prove me wrong, and all they did was prove me right.

They ended up being so blown away at the results, because this is how amazing hydrogen is. But, yes. So I get up in the morning, so back to my protocol.         
             And so I get up, and the very first thing I do is I grab a toothbrush, actually, and I’ll wet it.

No toothpaste. I just wet it with a little bit of water. And I brush my teeth very quickly, maybe  seconds, and then I make sure to brush the inner surfaces of the mouth, the inner lining of the cheeks, the roof of my mouth, my tongue.

And people are thinking, what does this have to do with the protocol?         
             And I do this because the Japanese discovered that when we’re sleeping at night, we grow a lot of bacteria in our mouth, some of them even cancer causing, so they’re not good.

And so a lot of people who wake up and either drink water or coffee or eat whatever, you’re actually inadvertently swallowing this bacteria into your system. So by doing this quick, simple brush that literally takes  seconds, you’re already starting your day off, right?

This is good to clean your mouth, because I’m going to go hydrogen next, right? So I want to clean my mouth first, and then the very next thing I do, I have my hydrogen machine going, and I pour a pretty good sized glass, and I’ll drink it down in literally

Less than probably  minutes, if you want to drink it down in less than  minute.         
             And the reason I do it relatively quickly is because the hydrogen escapes from the water so quickly. And so I drink it. I used to just chug it down.

Now I probably take about four gulps, and I finish this cup, and then I go back and I pour more hydrogen water, and I do the same thing again, and I drink in the mornings, one liter of hydrogen water. That’s how I start my day, to get therapeutic doses.        


             Gets really complicated as far as the numbers, but to simplify it for everybody, as far as my protocol, my protocol is based on the equipment I’m using. So that matters because different equipment basically makes different amounts of hydrogen,

And then a lot of equipment out there, in my opinion, and I’ve seen it in lab tests. They make claims as far as how much hydrogen their products make. And then I see a lab test, and they’re not making what they claim they do. And this is dangerous to.        


             Not dangerous in the sense that it’ll hurt you. But if you’re trying to do it for therapeutic reasons and then you’re not seeing it work and you’re wondering why. One thing that should be mentioned about the Lourdes hydrofix from the website holy hydrogen

Is that these are the only machines in the world that I’ve ever seen, that every single one of them is lab tested and certified. Nobody in the industry does that. And the reason that they don’t do that is because apparently, is, like, crazy expensive.          
            

Nobody in their right mind would do it. The reason that the Japanese do it is because they wanted this machine. Not only is it the best, but you have to make sure you’re getting the right amounts of hydrogen.

You got to make sure that the machine is making the correct amounts of hydrogen in order for it to be therapeutic. And so, you know, the doctor in Japan is like, that’s really important, the fact that it’s all lab tested, and if something doesn’t lab test, that machine doesn’t get sold.        


             So this is important that it’s going to be meeting the strictest of standards. So I drink the water. The reason I do one liter, again, more, the science geeks out there, you really should never drink more than one liter of water in  hour.

Anything over a liter in  hour begins to strain the kidneys. And this just goes for any kind of water.         
             So that’s the limit, which is why I push it to the limit, right? I’m like, okay, one liter. That’s how I’m going to start my day.

For people who feel like, oh, I can’t drink a liter of water. You can just do half a liter, but it has to be a minimum of half a liter from the Lord’s hydro fix to get those kind of therapeutic levels in you, in my opinion, based on everything that I’ve seen.        


             So I always start my day off by drinking that water. An empty stomach, by the way, that’s another thing that I really like to do. I like it on an empty stomach because it goes through the body a lot quicker, goes into

The gi, brings all this hydrogen, and I guess I’m going to let a little bit out of the cat out of the bag. The newest technology with hydrogen, which you do have, Sarah, that machine that you’re using, what they recently. Is that what you’re going to say?         
             Yep.

How did you hear about that? What is it? I didn’t hear. What did you say?         
             Sticky hydrogen. Sticky hydrogen. And I could see, like, it’s insane looking, this machine. Yeah, it’s crazy looking. I had called the other day because I’m like, I just had a question about the machine, and they’re amazing.        


             They call you right back. They’re like, here’s an email address. Send us an email. Send us some pictures. They’re really responsive.         
             And so I got to talking to the technician, who’ll just talk. Ear off.

He’s like, one of the nicest people in the world, but he was like, we have sticky hydrogen. And he was just, like, so excited about it. I’m like, okay, cool, I’ve got a sticky hydrogen machine.         
             So let’s talk about that sticky hydrogen. Which is super awesome, because nobody does that.

In fact, nobody has the technology to do it. The Japanese were just trying to make the machine super good. They didn’t even know that that’s what they were going to end up making.         
             And what I saw, and this is one of the videos

I want to do, I literally saw when they were trying to test amounts of hydrogen, the hydrogen was getting stuck all over the equipment and making the levels and the readings go higher than they’d ever seen. And they’re like, well, wait, this is not normal.

You can only have so much hydrogen in our atmospheric pressure and water. This wouldn’t technically make sense. They thought there was something wrong with the equipment, apparently, and they kept calibrating and kept doing it.         
             And it was like, no, the way that the machine

Is developing it, because of all the little details from the best metal and the best membrane and the things that I’m not allowed to say. They kind of told me by accident one time, and then they were like, oh, please don’t.

You’re not allowed to say that because it’s proprietary, patented information or whatever. But they ended up developing now what they’re calling the sticky hydrogen, which is awesome, because as it goes into your GI system, you want it to just permeate and stick to everything. This is what you want from your hydrogen.        


             And I think that’s, again, the difference in making hydrogen certain ways versus other ways. So, anyway, after I drink the hydrogen water and empty stomach, I wait about ,  minutes, and then you can go on to consuming your breakfast or whatever it is you’re going to do so.

That’s part of my protocol. I personally make these pretty crazy, outlandish smoothies, and I’m all about nutrients and overcoming nutritional deficiencies. So there’s more parts to my protocol.         
             Now, granted, if you’re dealing with something crazy like cancer, well, then the protocol begins to change.

And so it really depends on who you are and what you’re dealing with. If you got kidney issues, well, now you’d have to modify it, because maybe you’re only allowed to drink so much water, so there’s a lot of different things that you’d want to know.

But I’m just kind of giving you my overall protocol. And after I have my breakfast, I let my stomach go empty by lunchtime, and I do the same thing at lunch.         
             I’ll consume that one liter of water again, and then I do the same thing at dinner.

And then whenever I have time, I do my hydrogen gas inhalation. I find that usually it’s best to do it at night, but you can do it any time of the day. My theory, I don’t even know if I should explain why I do it at night, but there’s reasons

Why I believe that nighttime is if you had to choose the most powerful time, it would be at night rather than throughout the day. I don’t know if that gives you an overall, just a simplification of the hydrogen protocol.         
             And, of course, that would be a lot of water, too.

If you do one liter three times a day, that’s about three liters, which to me, is a very healthy amount of water. You could get away with . liters. So there’s that range. But, yeah, three liters is kind of like where I like to be at, and I find that to just be

The best protocol for me.         
             You were saying, I think when we had spoken, that it’s important before you do inhalation, to make sure you’re hydrated and to drink the hydrogen water, just make sure your body is hydrated before you do the gas with the

Hydrogen water, because that makes it a lot more powerful. So that stuck with me. So that’s something that my daughter, she’ll get it at breakfast. She gets it as soon as she comes home from school. I just am giving it to her throughout the day.        


             But we always drink a big glass of the hydrogen water when she gets home from school. I give her some minerals, some Quinton seawater minerals. She drinks those a lot. And then she’ll sit down and she’ll just do a  minutes session, usually every day after school. And she’ll ask for it.        


             She doesn’t speak, but she’ll go and she’ll just start tapping on the machine. I’m like, okay, let me get it ready for you. Yeah. She goes and tapped on the machine now so she knows that it’s helping her. I do it at night.         
             Yeah.        


             I actually really love to hear the positive stories because health can just really drag you down. It can depress you. It can affect so many aspects of your life, unfortunately, a negative way. So when you start going the other way, there’s just so much joy in helping others and bringing

Knowledge to them and people’s lives literally changing. It’s so rewarding.         
             So I’m so happy that it’s helping your daughter and you guys out so much, especially your sleep, right? My sleep is amazing. And maybe we can touch back on why you like the evening, because I’m curious about that,

Because that’s just the only time when I get both kids in bed, I can actually hook myself to something and not have to get up  times. Like, Carrie has three kids, so she knows how this works. You have children and they’re awake and.         
             They’Re walking around, you’re going to have

To be hauled away. You can’t hook yourself up to a machine. So that is how it works out for me. But I remember the first conversation, Greg, that you and I had for my podcast. I was freaking out because she was coming home from school.        


             She would have these know fits in the car, screaming, and I had to put myself on mute, had to pause the recording a couple of times when we were recording the podcast for my channel, and that was the day my machine had arrived. So it was about a couple of months ago.

And you were like, keep me posted, because I don’t think that this kind of behavior will continue. And within, like, I would say two weeks, that stopped happening entirely. And now it’s just continued to get better.         
             We’re early on. I know you’ve said that it’s like six to eight months.

Around that time is kind of when you see magic for people that really have serious conditions. But I mean, just even in this six week time period, I’ve seen, I’m not afraid that she’s going to put holes in my wall or come after us.

And she’s a different kid than she was just a little while ago.         
             And when I say six to eight months, I mean, yes. Have I seen people have results in the first month? Yeah, of course. I have seen just like what you’re having.

And I think it’s just so amazing that you’re having the results early on and that you’re seeing what you’re witnessing.         
             You’re probably going to start getting as excited as I have been for all these years, because you see these things and you’re thinking, oh, my God, this is real.

Why don’t doctors know about this? We’re not talking about something that has no science behind it, that’s not medical approved. Why doesn’t anybody know about this? I just don’t understand that.         
             I can’t wrap my head around this.

But, yeah, the six to eight months is for big results where I’ve literally seen people’s diabetes be gone. So at the beginning, it’s not like you’re going to see nothing. You’re going to see it affect your blood glucose and you have to start modifying things. But yeah, that six to eight months.        


             Like, for example, with my father, the arthritis, the cholesterol, the blood pressure, the glaucoma. And what was his last thing? Oh, the diabetes. So the biggest thing, though, was the glaucoma didn’t go away in six to eight months. Didn’t you say it was like three years for that one?         
             Right?

Yes, it was three years. So we didn’t even think it’d work at some point. But he was still using it mostly for the arthritis. He’s like, oh, I feel so much better.         
             I don’t need medication anymore. And then, lo and behold, that’s how long it took.

And I think it’s just because the body, the body has cycles. Like, the skin you have wasn’t the same skin you had three to six weeks ago. But it takes, overall, seven years, roughly, for everything to be regenerated in the body.         
             And even me, I’ve noticed that even after

Using hydrogen for years, when I start getting to around, it was somewhere between. I don’t even remember anymore. But, like, the four to six years, I started having more stuff happen, and then I was like, whoa, I’m not done with this hydrogen thing yet.

This stuff is like, this is why it’s important to have something that is clean, because you’re going to use it all the time, kind of like water, and that will be reliable so you can use it for years instead of having to buy, like they sell again.

They sell capsules, which I would never take anyway, even if they were free.         
             But if you had to buy multiple bottles a month, which is what it would take, it would get crazy expensive if you tried to do that for

Four or five years, even for a year, it gets extremely expensive and doesn’t make sense, in my opinion. So, yeah, this is just something to me, again, it is a lot like clean water. You’re going to use it probably for the rest of your life, and it’s only going to continue

To help improve your life, because I think that dirty water is horrible for our health. It appears to be the number one source of microplastics, too. I’m sure you’ve probably heard about microplastics.         
             Totally. And water appears to be your number one source of it.

So, again, looking at the lab tests, carbon distillery removes all of the microplastics. So another reason to have clean water. And so it just goes on and on and on and on.         
             As far as clean water and clean hydrogen, it’s so.         
             This.

I think a lot of people are really excited and inspired after hearing this, that’s for sure. Because, Sarah, do we want to make a part two or you want to keep going on this one, this particular episode? What do you think? Yeah, why don’t we just say, yeah, let’s do a part two.        


             We’ll keep talking, but just for the intents and purposes of cutting it, let’s cut and do a little part two. I want to ask questions. I think people want to hear specific stories. What about this condition? Have you heard any testimonials about this?         
             Let’s maybe go there. Sure. Yeah. Okay.