Colchester Council urged to boycott electric vehicle industry by local resident campaigners.
Article Link
https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/23404950.colchester-council-urged-boycott-electric-vehicle-industry/
The council previously unveiled a strategy to move to an entirely carbon neutral fleet by 2030 and last year launched a battery-powered car hire scheme.
Residents raised concerns over the environmental impact the production of the batteries used in electric vehicles has.
JCB’s zero-emission hydrogen engines was mentioned as an alternative.
Ben Plummer, climate emergency officer for Colchester Council, said: “We are aware the environmental impact of producing lithium batteries.
Hey all right everybody now in front of me here I have got a interesting story well vaguely interesting I’d say um I thought it was interesting it’s not that interesting it’s vaguely interesting so don’t get too excited okay um now I was watching somebody’s well I say I say watching it popped up
On my YouTube feed um uh of not Jeff’s uh Channel and I looked at it briefly and it it was nothing to do with him what I’m going to talk about it was to do with the person he had on there now the reason why I’m talking about it is because what I’ve
Got in front of me here is Colechester Council uh urged to boycott electric vehicle industry and now this is I’m reading this from The Gazette standard okay so that must be like a local paper up there somewhere I’m not too sure um but it’s a little I thought oh that’s a
A little bit jarring isn’t it um the council have been urged to boycott everything about electric vehicle industry uh even electric bikes okay so and there was a woman let me just find her name on here uh there’s there is actual video on YouTube as well
Of the actual meeting in the council uh so I had a quick look at that I think her name was uh resident Rachel Matthews and she wasn’t on her own but the funny thing this is what strikes me is that a little bit odd is these people have gone there to urge
People not to buy electric cars but I’m wondering why have they have they urged the councelor not to have any cars if she’s against pollution of any sort then get rid of all cars I don’t think she said that are I I don’t know this is what the southern coasts of
Athens have looked like for the past 2 days a massive oil spill spreading off the coast of Southern California we have a massive oil spill in the Gul of fire right now a large oil slick has begun washing a ship it’s easy to find the oil
That’s washing up on the beaches in the northeast of Brazil who caused this oil spill suddenly the animals in Prince William sound were fighting for their lives all to stem an oil spill that some environmentalists are already calling an ecological disaster a massive oil spill has darkened the waters off the coast of
The island nation of Trinidad and Tobago what was her worry what’s her problem now she said about even about electric bikes she didn’t want electric bikes in her Town either and you know you you you’ve got to admit that an electric bike if somebody chose an electric bike over driving a diesel
Or petrol car for instance it’s going to be cleaner isn’t it maybe your argument is you should just ride a normal bike um I don’t know but let’s have a look at this article a little bit more and we’ll sort of get into it because it’s it’s a
Bit it’s very anti EV isn’t it if if you don’t want any electric vehicles anywhere near you even your neighbor you don’t want your neighbor to have one anybody not of electric bikes nothing electrical at all now in the video she was talking about lithium be in mind
Okay now I bet you I bet you $10 I’ll bet you $100 actually I’ll bet you $1,000 she’s got a mobile phone with a lithium battery in it which has also got Cobalt in it as well okay now I could see that she was complaining to the council about lithium Mining and Cobalt
Mining now I’m not here to say that lithium Mining and Cobalt mining is fantastic IC and is a mission free because everybody knows that if you extract something from out of the ground or whatever it is it’s it’s going to be it’s going to be emissions coming from
It and then also there’s the sort of negative facts of Cobo mining um to do with kids in the Congo is it in the Congo kids in the Congo uh digging up coo uh mining so it’s not good for the lungs and whatnot any Min is not good
For anybody is there remember coal mining years ago it wasn’t good for the coal miners was it um so I’m not you to defend that uh mining lithium and Cobalt is fantastic because it’s not right but it’s all about the end game isn’t it it’s all about the end game of uh what’s
The overall impact compared to the overall impact of making an electric vehicle and running it for 15 years and doing exactly the same for diesel or petrol car is the overall you know everything everything combined what’s the worst thing right so she’s saying that lithium minin
Is bad it is bad it’s bad okay um but she’s not saying drilling for oil it’s bad she’s not I I can’t hear her mentioning that I can’t me hear her mentioning about all the the oil spills and everything and all the animals getting killed from all the
Oil nobody’s mentioning I I’ve said this before I’ve said in the part this this is what gets me going a little bit right is that the the people around EV have all of a sudden become environmentalists but they were never there before where were these environmentalists when these diesel cars
Were cheating the emissions and they were pumping out all this cogenic exhaust fumes into people straight into your lungs that’s not good for LS here so where were these people then they they weren’t around but all of a sudden they’ve turned turned up and become environmentalists now electric cars are
Around so what’s been said then um let’s have a little read by campaigners have called on eco-conscious Council bosses to boycott the electric vehicle industry everything over its use of lithium batteries and instead fight for Hydro power um Hydro power are they on about wait a
Minute Hydro power let’s read a bit more uh coester council’s environment environment and sustainability panel came together to discuss their plans to combat what they described as a climate emergency oh and let me go back to Cobalt as well that one one was mentioning Cobalt lfp batteries no Cobalt any of
Face and the industry is going you know towards them kind of cob both free batteries so double in your face okay it’s not in your face you should just do a bit more research do a bit more research if you if you research more instead of going down a rabbit hole
Right come come reverse back out to the rabbit hole right and have a look get yourself a broad spectrum of searches and search everything and you might find some proper answers about the industry moving away from Cobalt they’ve already reduced Cobalt to the you know trying to
Get it down as much as possible and now they’re moving away from Cobo so come on all right so what was SP beef then let’s have a look resident Rachel Matthew said I’ve said this before we are collectively very concerned about the environmental issues and government policies we do not consent to public
Money being spent on any lithium battery operated vehicle no matter how enticing the Financial incentives are can we have the panel’s absolute in assurance that you will do the do what is right and not allow yourselves to be pressured into actions that do more harm than good
Now what’s what’s her evidence that it do does more harm than good all peer reviewed studies say that the you know if you take everything into consideration digging up oil or extracting allish should say or digging up lithium making cars running them until end of life or PE reviewed studies
Say that the electric car is better in the long term um so maybe she didn’t come to that conclusion she’s come to the conclusion that it’s worse uh well so she said we need to set an example and if everybody boycotts the electric vehicle industry and does not
Support it then this kind of thing stops so she’s really against it she’s absolutely dead set against it we have a duty to make these kind of atrocities not happen atrocities so oh look look come on right so among other suggestions the councilors were asked if they would
Consider looking into use of Hydro power energy for the fleet of sustainable Vehicles instead now what what they’re talking about is Rachel said for example she went onto the site JCB reported using a zero missions hydrogen engines which she says only produces dry steam now wait a wait a
Minute there we go right so then she’s she is saying now that she wants to go down the route of JCB now JCB uh have triled two different types of hydrogen Vehicles one of is a fuel cell one and one is hydrogen combustion now when was this this article was
Done uh when was this article done I think it was done about uh April 2023 so I don’t know if she’s talking about I think she’s talking about hydrogen combustion and she says it only produces dry steam it only produces dry steam the hydrogen’s made from fairies and pixies um
So why hasn’t she mentioned any sort of invironmental impact of extracting gas and making that to use hydrogen dirty hydrogen She haven’t mentioned green hydrogen at all she hav’t mentioned the energy for used to making hydrogen you haven’t mentioned any of that and also obviously uh combustion hydrogen does have exhaust
Emissions this does have a little bit it is less but um she hasn’t really done a research on hydrogen is [Laughter] she so there we go I don’t know um oh it’s a funny old thing isn’t it isin it funny so she’s gone down a rabbit hole of um looking into electric
Cars but she hasn’t really I can’t see her having any beef at all she’s got no problem with hydrogen I I think it’s hydrogen combustion she’s talking about uh are not hydrogen fuel cells I could be wrong because obviously hydrogen combustion is going to be even less efficient than hydrogen fuel cells um
But for some reason there’s no problem with that I I don’t know why I don’t know why oh dear me dear dear me uh so the council tried to talk to her but she didn’t want to have any of it um uh and this is not not having a go with her
It just it seems that she’s got sort of she doesn’t want any electric vehicles at all nothing not even electric bikes uh so that really is anti EV now that was in April last year but then in the Gazette standard I did see here that um The Gazette news which is the same
Article a couple of days ago it said more than half of the public says Kiama should keep the 28 billion green pledge poll oh no that’s a green pledge that’s a poll it was a poll sorry I didn’t read that right it should have been on the
Screen anyway so I don’t think that’s going to make that woman very happy about um she’s probably happy that um they’ve scrapped some of the 28 billion they haven’t scrapped a green pledge did they just said they’re not going to to spend 28 billion uh they’re probably
Going to spend less or maybe they might that might just be for you know keep everybody happy for for poing purposes when the election comes along and maybe when they get in and go haha caught you out but um there we go so this a it’s a funny mindset like I’ve said
Before this person has got it in her head that the enemy is electric vehicles and she can’t see a future where electric cars are the future which is really weird I mean I I I look at uh there’s a there’s a group on Facebook it’s called the 20 mph group or
Something it’s in Wales it is because we got 20 M hour speed limits and it was somebody on here saying that we should scrap electric cars I’ve said this before we should scrap electric cars and try and go back to the the guy who invented the water car
And quite a lot of people commented on her comment and I was expecting them to laugh at what she was saying but unfortunately a lot of them were agreeing with [Laughter] her you can it’s just physics just do some basic physics on the water car right you need energy to split that
Water into certain parts to create energy from hydrogen and that’s going to it’s just stupid I I don’t know what’s going on um but anyway I thought it was an interesting article where uh this person and a few other people in that in that place actually want to stop
Electric vehicles all together they want them out gone banned completely um I I think maybe she should go back and look at everything and look at maybe go look at what you know extracting oil what’s the damages that come from that maybe she should look into that a bit more
Trouble is people are comfortable with oil extraction and running fossil fuel cars it’s like what you know can’t hurt you because it’s like it’s all safe warm and fuzzy so anyway that was my bit of a rant for the day I I don’t know what to make it comment below what you
Think about there or go go look at the article yourself and tell me what you think do you think she’s right do you think she’s got a point or do you think she’s just blinked and can’t see anything else anyway if you like this video give it a like subscribe and I’ll
Catch you in the next One
48 Comments
so who wants to have an ev car meet in colchester?
As I've posted before:
"Hydrogen is the future" – people with no concept of materials science, thermodynamics or chemistry.
Want to make it? Either use more fossil fuels (with a load of energy) or even more energy to split it from water
Want to transport it? Good luck using "normal gas pipelines" or tankers – will cause metal to become brittle (in your pressurised pipe 🤣), or leak through plastic
Want to use it? You've lost 50% of the energy making it, and you're about to lose 20% using it
Want to buy it? No infrastructure, in fact 6 filing stations closed in the last year.
I recently had a conversation with a lady who I had informed I drive an electric MG4 .
I listened to a litany of reasons why they were useless , no range , unable to drive through a puddle and used children to mine the Lithium . When I brought to her attention that her lap top, Mobile, tablet etc used more Lithium currently than EVs and reminded her that I bought an EV , so my knowledge might be better than hers…
Ignorance and idiocy are far too great in this country. They believe petrol, diesel and gas comes ready made from the ground and needs nothing done to prepare it for sale. The number of chemicals and things like cobalt as well as electricity used in the production is crazy. They believe the lies from car manufacturers that emissions are clean and fine from ICE cars. Even though many were shown to have cheated the systems. Someone tried to tell me my EV was a fire hazard parked outside my house and I better warn all of my neighbours. Yet they are happy to pipe an explosive gas underneath and into their home as well as park a vehicle full of an explosive liquid outside their homes. it is crazy how people are blind to what is under their own noses and they want to point out to everyone that does see, why they are wrong.
The oil industry uses cobalt to remove sulphur from petrol and diesel.
Cant wait to see how upset the anti EV brigade get when sodium ion batteries come out over here
If you think an electric car. is gonna last 15 years. You need your head examined. If you were to draw the brand new electric car. over an obstacle in the road. and damage the underside. The insurance company would write it off. and you would lose a massive amount of money. also. electric core batteries. have a phenomenal range of 300 miles. But the drawback is. you mustn't charge it to 100 percent. only to 80%. And you mustn't let it go below 20%. because it will damage the battery. Therefore you have lost. 40% of your range. before you even start driving. Then if you want to use the heating etc. Your range drops even more. than you get. range anxiety. Then you've gotta find a. charging station that actually works. and wait around for a couple of hours. Most you charge the battery. but don't charge it to 100 percent because uh oh damage it. only charge it to 80 per cent. Then you can carry on with your journey rewardless.?
The issue isn’t cobalt. The issue is the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Children are used in all kinds of mines there, tin, gold, copper and diamonds it’s not restricted to cobalt. Most people don’t know that most cobalt production is a byproduct of copper and nickel mining, as it is commonly found colocated with their ores. Sadly the country sits on massive reserves of strategic minerals and is rife with corruption in the legitimate government and many areas are controlled by militias.
The best thing for people to do is put pressure on companies to boycott everything from the country as much as possible and to source materials from elsewhere, even if it puts up the price. It’s the best chance for bringing some form of positive change. Sadly I can’t see the situation changing there.
Going LFP and sodium ion is showing the most promise.
Tell her to buy a Toyota Mirai then. Its been for sale a decade this year.
Every town has a handful of the "hard of thinking".
Just look at the handful of morons who mysteriously enjoy significant financial backing who are campaigning against ULEZ.
In a democracy where freedom of speech is mostly respected by sensible people but reviled by the right wingers, there will always be somebody who will stand up and speak thus revealing their stupidity.
That woman is probably (my opinion) a tory or even a Reform UK'er.
Meanwhile… Over 70% of the child labour is in agriculture and related clothing industries.
Let's see the labels in all her clothes for starters.
Drink coffee perhaps? Shall we do that one?
I see someone here mentioned having to avoid puddles in an EV to prevent battery damage.
Well I took my classic car out yesterday to pollute a little and had to avoid quite a few puddles! I'd machine polished it last year and it's the first time it has been out since then.😅
Nobody is talking about these real world problems…
She's a conspiracy theorist. End of.
I don't why you play videos about oil spillage at sea?
What does that to do with cars when big boats are dumping oil in the sea? Probably nothing.
Some of the oil spills is deliberate when they think it is to expensive to clean and let the Harbour/dock to take care of it properly. (so there is the issue and nothing to do with cars.)
A BEV in USA polute more or less the same amount of Co2 than a ICE per mile/km driven!
But how can anybody think that a BEV is then the solution?! 😢
Hydrogen is only of any enviromental value if it is Green or Pink Hydrogen, Blue hydrogen has similar CO2 life cycle levels equal to diesel powered vehicles. Just a point for consideration. Hydrogen is not a clear envirometal benefit, unless it comes from low CO2 production methods.
EV shill. MGUY and JC are so much smarter than you its no contest
Another oil industry scam. Currently the vast majority of hydrogen is made from fossil fuels (methane) and they're using their propaganda machine to Greenwash. Proper GREEN hydrogen has it's place but who's going to pay for the infrastructure before the planet burns?
The hilarious thing is that cars with hydrogen fuel cells also have lithium batteries.
She is brain dead. All things mentioned and that every HF car has a lithium battery to buffer the FC lag
Energy X has a new lithium process which is 90& more efficient that conventional processing and faster to boot.
Also fossil fuel emission are directly linked to Alzehimers and is showing evidence of increasing instances of dopamine deficient neurological diseases like Parkinson's, ADD, ADHD.
There is an excellent book they should read on the Dodo.
An issue for a lot of people, is the fear that internal combustion may be being outlawed. The longer we can stave that off, the better, as far as I'm concerned
I see the Tesla with the most mileage has 1.2 million miles on it. This includes 14 motor replacements. 4 battery packs.
Thats a motor every 85,000 miles and a battery every 300,000 miles. Why then do EVangelists say they last much longer than that ? A diesel with 250,000 miles on it is comparable. Pop a new engine in it and off you go again
Given what happened in Manchester Crown Court quite recently, Colchester Council ought to be careful, as they could find themselves in deep do do…..
One major difference between a smartphone or laptop battery is that the mobile battery is a few hundred grams vs 400-1000kg for an EV car/truck battery and 3000+kg for an electric semi. EV transportation requires orders of magnitude more material per device.
Hydrogen fuel cells have one major problem: you need a significant amount of platinum catalyst to make those achieve good efficiency. The cost of platinum makes HFC a no-go for affordable vehicles, hence many hydrogen pushers going back to combustion as a more cost-effective option.
Lithium is a lightweight metal that is completely, infinitely recyclable. There's no need for continuous mining.
You forgot to mention that cobalt is used in the refinement of oil to remove sulfur and rare earth metals are used as additives in gasoline. When used in gasoline, these materials are lost forever and can not be recycled.
Not only do you have the environmental issues with oil extraction you have issues with the transportation of the hazardous materials such as fuel in tanker trucks. Tanker truck collisions and explosions kill people, destroy bridges, tunnels, etc. Not to mention that the increased CO2 and greenhouse gas emission are killing farms, damaging housing, reducing our quality of life etc. and EVs help minimize those emissions. Not that EVs are perfect but people have to do a reasonable comparison.
hydrogen is made BY SPLITTING H2O which is water you fool.
That’s no problem, my family had a bit of bother with the Colchester council back in 1648 during the arse end of the civil war, they soon came round you my antecedent great uncle Sir Thomas’s point of view after 11 days of concerted effort by his new model army.
So it’s your contention that EV’s are a contribution to a practical genuine method of arriving at net zero on carbon emissions. Well as a retired Chief marine engineer, I have been heavily involved in efforts to reduce the carbon emissions of the marine industry. The problems with fuel density and the amount of cargo space, battery powered ships have to take into account let alone when you factor in charging time relative to fire safety. That makes sailing vessels the only practical solution to pursue at the moment. So we have built a very efficient design in Ipswich as a Super Yacht known as the Spirit 111. But of course it takes a heck of a lot of money to afford to build the genuine zero emissions future. And I know for a certainty that however much money or property the socialists want to appropriate from those with the talent education and expertise to make progress in combatting climate change. Will simply cause us to retire to our Caribbean tax havens and have nothing further to do with Britain. Regards Mark Fairfax-Harwood. Chief Mec Mar E/CIS Eng. Retd. Ye Gods save the King and the noble Lords of the Admiralty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42FIyhCDDB4
PS. One wonders if you have read anything by my very erudite young nephew Tom Fairfax-Harwood, the political corespondent for Westminster for GB News and other authorship on this subject. As my brother Oliver his father, was in charge of a very large budget for running waste recycling plants that produce methane and the state of the art science by Toyota, to try to convert that to hydrogen. In order to power the new JCB hydrogen fueled agricultural and industrial machines.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/04/can-meet-green-targets-exact-opposite-xrs-manifesto/
People are afraid of new things. This usually changes when they get one themselves. Like cell phones, totally against at all, then ok with GSM but totally against 3g, then complaining about the lack of 3g coverage and totally against 4g ….
Ok so african child slaves mining colbalt for a dollar a day is bad. But all mining is bad. Well thats alright then. Welcome to the religion of ev zealots
It was oeople like him who initially supported diesels. Diesels emit less carbon than oetrol engines. The establishment encouraged people to buy disels lowering the duty on disel fuel. This went on into the 21st century. Clarkson on top gear in 1992 warned of the effects of fumes on cancer but he and and others were ignored for decades. This guys whataboutary about the ev industry dependence on african child slaves is astonishing
And the Crouch just put up a video about ebikes and over layed oil spills, that's also cherry picking. JC doesn't have his EV any more as it was good on short distances but was found wanting with long distance travelling. He has also put up stories of leasing of EVs here as well so get your facts straight. Yes he has solar as well but if an EV doesn't suit your life why should you be legislated to buy one, freedom of choice vs freedom of the government choice for you
No I am not. I just don't need or want to be legislated to buy one. Freedom of choice, much like the Wohan vaxx if you didn't get it you where dismissed from your job at alot of large businesses and government departments. Same type of legislation different theme.
UK legislation 20% of all cars sold by the manufacturers have to be EV ramping up to an unknown amount in the future. For each ICE sold over to 80% of sales the manufacturers are charged by to government £8000 from memory. Why has the government the right to charge privately run companies on sales, shouldn't this be freedom of choice of the buyer to buy whatever they want or do you like the government controlling your purchase choices.
She isn't blinkered. She is just as thick as pig tish.
People that advocate for Hydrogen ICE cars are just overt shills for the oil industry. There's nothing efficient about Hydrogen combustion engines, or any reciprocating combustion engine for that matter. It doesn't take a lot of brainpower to think a bit further into that, asking questions as you did as to where the Hydrogen is sourced? Stored? Transported?
I'd go as far as to say that they're extremely ignorant and poorly educated people who need to get off their high horses and let actual science do the talking. It's fine if they're ignorant and stupid at home, let them think what they want. My issue is when, like this, they start trying to bully councils and local govt. into poor choices.
My issue is that we have 1 supercharger in Cardiff, and 1 at Celtic Manor in Newport..
Wales is not built for EVs at the moment, not that this has anything to do with Colchester..
She sounds about as intelligent as Mary Whitehouse. It's so sad that we went in the care in the community direction, she needs residential help.
I don't know if JCB's specific, building site hydrogen combustion engine use case will work out, but it's got nothing to do with consumer vehicles anyway. Caterpillar are doing entire mining trucks and they're going BEV which seems like a smarter idea.
Starmer is a massive joke of a 'human being'. It's not his flipping money, just like HS2 isn't the current government's. It's not even ours, it'd be our descendants money and since investing in infrastructure pretty much always makes long term economic profit, it only ever makes sense to get it done better for less, never to just not do it. We could have dug the 4 mile Stonehenge tunnel if Tony Blair hadn't decided the short one was a better idea, and spent less money doing that, than all the pointless inquiries cost and we'd have saved the archaeology.
Hydrogen is great for making steel, and for fertiliser. Those are the only two options chemists are really talking about for the foreseeable, even when we have abundant renewables. We can't store it, have no expectation we ever will, so we only want to use it for really specific use cases. Hence even the fossil fuel companies are abandoning it everywhere.
This highlights a major problem……staggeringly ill informed people with the energy and time to complain about the wrong things. They are so wide of the mark I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
Jesus wept! The Luddite convention has moved to Colchester. This lot would advocate the return of horses! What a set of uninformed stupid people. Bet they are Tories and voted for Brexit too!
lithium and cobalt was at a manageable level for phones etc but many use nimh … my hybrid uses nimh but output of lithium has risen along with oil production since EV has appeared (not my stats but shown on the chemical industry) ironic you show oil spills but wont show the land destruction … you may have that stupid laugh about it, but, friends of the earth have already made a news report and got the world behind it about the 460% increase in lithium production and the huge swathes of land are being destroyed and millions of litres of water thats now being made useless for generations
and you claim us ice drivers are ignorant to the fact theres emissions coming out our exhausts and im well aware of this …. but EV owners are also ignorant to the fact that oil production has risen in line with the extra chemicals required to build ev and the bs renewables and even volvo released a report saying their ev is 70% more damaging to the environment
https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in-batteries
https://www.shell.com/business-customers/lubricants-for-business/sector-expertise/power-industry/wind-power.html
https://greenly.earth/en-gb/blog/ecology-news/the-harmful-effects-of-our-lithium-batteries
https://earth.org/lithium-and-cobalt-mining/
(edit forgot this one where it clearly states for traction pbattery in the ev market) https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/metals-and-mining/our-insights/lithium-mining-how-new-production-technologies-could-fuel-the-global-ev-revolution
so ice drivers are arent the only guilty ones (insert stupid fake laugh here)
Can someone remind me how many Hydroelectric plants there are in Essex????
I wouldn't worry about these dumb people. So many of them out there. They heard something and it get stuck in their tiny little mind forever and they scream about it without ever understanding anything on anything.
This thread has turned out to be one of the liveliest and best threads so far Grouch! 👍👍