Episode 104 – Orientalism Towards Palestine (Ft. @LadyIzdihar )

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Test test one 123 everybody recording the waves are going up and down all right excellent all right hello again is it is very very nice to have you back yeahum uh you were in the running for uh the uh most requested repeat guest uh uh and

You’re coming for a McLoud spot just so you know uh so uh hold on there’s something there’s something that you want to tell us before uh before we start recording before I had my pneumonia coughing fit yeah yeah so uh last month back in September I was in Copenhagen and I got

To hang out with uh too Lawson who you had oh as a guest yeah a legend amazing right legendary communist bank robber amazing amazing man uh he served me coffee on a rooftop it was it was beautiful oh my god wow okay why are you

Flexing so hard on this did you also go did you also take out uh parenti for like a picnic what else um but you know it’s when you meet like a legend like that it’s it’s a it’s kind of a big deal so I was posturing a

Bit and tried to you know be on his level and I’m like hey you know we’ve been on the same podcast and uh he he asked me oh what what podcast and I said deprogram and he had no idea what I was talking about poor guy I remember we asked him

To like when I emailed him uh so we can record uh he was very very nice he was like oh you know what I’m going to get a new pair of headphones specifically to record with you guys so that I have good audio and then he couldn’t figure out

How to set them up so he just used his computer [ __ ] mic and that’s why the episode is so what JT did sounds he’s a tin can yeah JT he’s he’s much easier to understand in person so what the circumstances that led up to that I was in Copenhagen and I

Just reached out to him and asked if he wanted to meet up he never even questioned who I was until like after we hung out for 2 and a half hours and then like at the end he’s like by the way like how did you who do we know and I’m

Like we don’t know I don’t think we know anyone like it com like seriously I just I was in prison with one of your with one of your comrades I didn’t run guns to Vietnam but it was like it was like a life-changing conversation I can’t quite

Explain it was just it was so nice to talk to someone so I don’t again just such a legend who done so much and has so much wonderful insight and to be able to talk oneon-one with someone on like their level I guess is a big deal and uh

Yeah and he never even I could have been like you know any sort of number of dubious agencies and you never even questioned anything until the end I the guy’s been in prison for like 15 years before he came out I think I think he’s

A he’s like what what worse can they do he’s banned from entering the US he can’t even come to the US honestly that’s a blessing I was going to say no huge loss there honestly right no he was proud of it he’s going miss out on the homophobic chicken sorry go yeah true

But yeah I thought I I thought I’d let you know I’m so sorry it seems like he does a lot of appearances like if anyone asks to speak with him or hang out he just says yes to everyone so that’s so cool what a guy I love that how old is

He now he’s in his his 70s yeah something like that bike he’s fine nice yeah but those nordics they they all live long yeah his his called um global perspective is I think it’s his newest book still I think but all his books are fantastic genuinely I highly recommend

To anybody listening uh to check his workout very interesting contemporary Marxist theory you might run into his articles doing any sort of research too I always run into him surprisingly like in in articles that I access so or you might run into him in person in

Copenhagen and he might talk to you yeah you might run into him in Copenhagen exactly right serve you coffee on a roof was the coffee good uh it was all right it was it was all right okay okay a perfect experience yeah yeah exactly right reminds me of the people

Who uh what’s it called who uh go out and take parente for like Cafe Cafe breaks and walks those people are doing God’s work and then they they go back over to his and then they oh it’s so cute and then he just goes through the

Stuff that he has um the different like historical bits and pieces and photos that he taken what not so cute he has a he has a biography that he wrote many years ago about him like growing up as an Italian American blah blah you know on the East Coast all those [ __ ]

Decades ago that be it would be interesting to read it’s such a shame that we couldn’t that we can’t get him on yeah um PR on round table I remember at the time tried to get him on but he was already kind of too far gone for it

Sadly I think he deserves just to to rest now yeah he’s made his contributions MH yeah exactly right there’s sorry go on JT no I was just going to say I’m trying to think if I’ve met anybody cool in my life let’s see um

No no I don’t think I I don’t I I met Tiger Woods when I was like seven or something cuz my my dad worked at fizer at the time and they were given like hey you guys want to go to the Masters or whatever the golf thing is I don’t know

Golf and then we just met Tiger Woods at one point apparently I don’t know if I don’t know if like my dad was important at that point and it’s like hey come come hang out with the president in Tiger Woods and whatever like but uh

Yeah I guess that’s my claim to fame I don’t think I’ve met any any anybody of that of that type no I remember I met a very long time ago and I didn’t appreciate the the the the gravity of it I I met a um Eastern European partisan a

Woman who was a sniper um yeah and I met her during some sort of like um history celebration thing but it was it was around Victory Day but they weren’t really on like you know cuz this was in one of the an currently anti-communist countries but she proudly showed up in

Her very clearly Soviet partisan with all her Soviet medals um and she was uh she was she was ancient this woman she was at in her late 80s and we’re talking almost like 20 years ago now or not 15 years ago and she was standing on crutches I remember with her uniform and

It was um the the pants bit were like it was a skirt it wasn’t a pants it was more of a ceremonial one um but the top one was the original one that she that she was talking about and I remember at the time I I didn’t re realize the

Gravity of meeting such a such a hero in the flesh um she looks like such such a nice old granny where was she from she’s from oh okay very very nice old lady but anyways yeah that’s that’s the only famous person I met otherwise hold on there’s there’s somebody that you metant

Is that is uh or somebody you are frequent visitor to the world renowned Lenin statue in is it Seattle yeah yeah cuz I live yeah I live also people come and visit me whenever anyone’s in SE like any any communist on the internet who comes to Seattle always reaches out

To me and I showed them all the spots so you can always reach out to me as well just don’t be a creep um she’s arm so yeah uh but no yeah the lenon statue it’s it’s huge and and there’s a lenon statue in Copenhagen that’s one of the

Reasons I went um but it’s he’s locked away in a courtyard in a the workers Museum which is really like a Social Democrat Museum they were really weird about me being there well social Democrats one step away from being yeah oh my God absolute cringe but yeah so

There’s a there’s a London statue in Copenhagen in this Museum and he’s hidden out in this tiny Courtyard that you only see if you go and use the restrooms in the uh uh gift shop in the gift shop and there’s like this you know abysmal little plaque calling him like

You know dubious things and and apparently you’re supposed to be able to go out there and see him but it was locked and I had to get someone to specially open it for me and they were like all defensive about it so and London’s been there he has history there

He lived there for like two months and and things happened right and yet they’re slowly hiding their history yeah here in Seattle we have like various monuments and such to the Soviet Union and we have you know a lot less connection on in that regard isn’t there

Some like not a garden not a garden a park or something yeah yep TSH Kent Park it’s uh so Seattle was the first US sister city to a Soviet City and so in the 70s uh like the mayor of Seattle mayor of Tash Kant like made this friendship happen it

Actually was built through corruption because the first uh the first attempt to make it a uh make them sister cities and have a a park in each city was denied and so they had to like they had to go the back way and convince I love it we don’t have

Anything like that in Texas I’m afraid to say you might you have do you might have something it’s a big state we have we have the closest we have is like Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard or something like that you have a statue to General Lee and that’s all you

Need oh yeah we have our share of problematic statues and things named after people Etc exactly well we’ve got good Mexican food yeah I mean sure yeah sure that absolves it I guess thanks for consoling me guys the the summer heat on on the Dr Pepper as the ice melts that’s

What makes it better oh yeah or relapse yeah no no I don’t want the clinking of the ice oh no I say if everything goes to [ __ ] and um you know Texas is no longer safe for you I’m sure Seattle will become a safe haven for uh many people of Our

Kind yeah I um knowing knowing JT he’s going to end up fing to uh you goling on my part yeah my God he’s going to he’s going to go become the his his true his true origin story will emerge he’ll be CHF manovich afterwards yeah I have to I have to flee desantis’s

Death squads you know oh God anti-woke death squads hello everybody and welcome back to the program uh a secondary excuse uh for my for my voice aside from the usual um uh lack of of youing around to to prep pep me up prep me up the [ __ ] is

The word pep me up pep me up exactly right is is is the pneumonia though I’ll probably develop by the next episode that’s why I keep missing that’s why I keep missing these [ __ ] things oh Lord anyways hello yes welcome back to D program today we have a fantastic uh

Guest someone who has been on the podcast before you should really listen to the previous episode with them uh and that is lady isad who is a absolutely fantastic content creator um historian I guess analyst you could even put um if you’re if you if you follow her Twitter

But generally and all around uh very fun and great and interesting person uh please isar introduce yourself let let people know what you who you are what you do and then we can enter into the the topic yeah yeah wait is that all it takes to be an analyst just to post on

Twitter about stuff that’s going on my resume it’s you’re more qualified than the people who uh who advise the American government honestly well anyways hi asalam alaykum uh my name is istahar and I go by lady isar on most places on the internet uh and yeah I’m a Soviet historian or independent

Historical researcher if you take a offense to me calling myself a historian uh and yeah I’m so happy to be back I missed you guys except I never met JT before but I missed him then and I now see I would have yes and uh we all

Dearly Miss younik who is so yeah sadly he’s in the skies he’s not he’s not dead no don’t worry he’s soaring like a bird in an airplane he’s not he’s not dead he’s not deadd inshah in exactly yes today’s General topic um is one that is a bit more Loosey Goosey

Than we’re than than our usual dedicated topics of just because of the way of uh uh the recent covering of news I think everybody familiar with with what’s been said about what’s going on in Palestine and whatnot um and that will have its own dedicated episode down the line but

Much more importantly is something that we’ve seen that always comes up in anti-colonial movements of sorts which is the use and politicization of women through this quasi orientalist lens and it’s almost exclusively used during anti-colonial movements for example Palestine or what happened through the various movements in Africa from Algeria

Down to South Africa and this time it’s been incredibly blatant um this also kind of intersects with the dehumanization of nonwhite men and all the weird intersections of racism towards that but before we enter into this could you please let people know where they can find you um so that they

Well they can find you yeah yeah so um you can find me on on Instagram Twitter or whatever you call it now and YouTube under lady istahar and on Tik Tok as the lady istahar I also have like patreon and such if you want to support me and I

Also have a website where I scan my growing collection of uh historical documents so people can have free access to uh all sorts of perspectives about the Soviet Union those that are positive I should mention that’s what I do I I take a positive spin on Soviet history

Um I’m really big on combating the the misunderstood and the misrepresented and highlighting lesser known and yeah complicated topics like religion women so on and so forth in the Soviet Union a thankless job honestly yeah it’s something yeah I can imagine if you see the stuff that people send

This poor woman my God um all the links will be in all the links will be in the in the below in the description what whatever the thing is called the floor is yours right so I I guess what what brought you to bring me

On as as a person talking about this is because like on on October 8th I made a tweet that that did I guess it did pretty well it made its rounds it got a lot of people saw it uh where I I was so fed up because all day all those two

Days it’s only October 8th right that this that I posted this all I would see in my timeline on Twitter on Instagram on on on Tik Tok everything was just women’s bodies and like women’s bodies with horrific accusations of what happened to them and the most like disgusting vile words towards uh

Palestinian men and it it got to me because it’s it’s something I’m not unfamiliar with it’s something that we see over and over again and so I said this I said I’m so disgusted how accusations of rape and violence against women is weaponized in Conflict media the historical reality of sexual assault

In war is well is a well-known phenomenon perpetrated by every Army you could think of but the assertion that certain kinds of people do it racializing it making it a cultural thing using that as your tool for US versus them how can people so casually weaponize such Horrors for their

Narrative and it’s evident it’s obvious who’s accused and who assault is overlooked or highlighted in the media yeah beautifully said could you please tell our audience what very reasonable and level-headed response you got to this oh well there’s one person who photoshopped me being beheaded by Hamas

And that was fun in fact whoever did this uses like the same editing methods and pictures that someone who routinely sends me pictures of their penis against the screen of a photo of me so I know it’s the same guy who does that cuz he used the same photos and so that’s a

Whole another layer of um irony there uh yeah people accused like people were wishing assault upon me people were you know all all the things that happen when you I thought I sounded very reasonable that’s the thing is you know you feel crazy when you’re saying like seemingly reasonable things but apparently not

Yeah it’s kind of like the the beheaded babies thing it’s like you’re talking about something that is unbelievably horrific like the most terrible thing you can imagine and then when it come turns out that that was not true then you’ve got these people just frothing at

The mouth like they were wanting this to actually be true just because it fits their their priors you know their preconceived notions and that is it’s a very strange unhealthy derangement right and I had a friend point out that he noticed it was mostly white men who were

Really like sharing this and sharing images of the women that were you know supposedly potentially raped and it it’s like that’s a whole another layer of why is it that it’s mostly men white men who are so so giddy to talk about the abuse of women and put that uh you know the

Perpetrators of their abuse onto a specific section of society why why do you think that is I think uh actually you know it’s a very weird very weird question let’s go it Poole here because you two I would assume identify with that with that characteristic not not not GL violence

Against women but both being white both white yeah of of some description why do you think that is well well to you go ahead oh no go go ahead white man come on be confident what’s your let me take my my my god-given place as the first one to

Answer um uh so as you know I think a lot of white men have this have a main character complex but as well as a kind of there are a bunch of complexes kind of wrapped up there so you’ve got to save you the obviously the white savior

Complex the main character complex but also I think I don’t I don’t like to go out of my way to say you know there’s a lot of internalized misogyny among all men and stuff like that because you know that’s that’s overgeneralization um but I think that

Is part of a lot of it like a lot of the loudest commentators online especially among you know white American men is kind of rooted in this feeling that they are superior to women and that that women should be if they if they don’t outright disdain have disdain for the

Women then they are objects to be protected not out of kindness but out of ownership and so perhaps that is part of it but also I obviously I think a big part of it is just trying to win points for your side online while looking like

A good person like oh I care deeply about these women that have been abused when clearly that is not the case most of the time right I mean that’s that’s all of Twitter basically right that’s all of being an analyst online is a the sort of egotistical virtue signaling so

That you are a yeah yeah no ego plays a lot in it for sure I mean I think it kind of goes along with with all the work that I do uh in trying to to tell a certain certain side of history and misspell you know Mis misinformation it

It’s just I think a lot of it is projection because a lot of the accusations that we see about what’s happening to these these women potentially are the same exact acts of violence that were done to Palestinian women like recorded in Memoirs in 1948 right we see accounts of of woman being

Raped we see accounts of of I read one this morning about like uh you know a baby being burned back in 1948 as well and it’s like these are the same things that are being accused by what Hamas whatever whatever you want to they they’re pinning it on right the average

Palestinian more likely is what they’re trying to say say it is and then also we see the same thing happening in our own armies and militaries right we have countless stories of sexual assault and and rape by American Military members be it in Vietnam and the Philippines in you

Know in Germany during World War II in France during World War II we have so many stories it’s like it’s almost as if we’re we’re projecting what we’ve already done and know what we’ve done onto somebody else and it’s it’s it’s a like as I said it’s a projection onto

What we already do and know that we do or maybe even want to do like maybe it you you talked about or we talked about the ego maybe it’s that if these men see women as objects someone else got to touch their object when normally they

Would do it you know no very beautifully put I can’t really comment from from that because I’m not from that like I’m I’m looking into it because a lot of these people also are particularly American uh or raised in the American context and that’s I think the biggest

Thing that I wouldn’t be able to relate to but the the the strange thing is that it seems for a lot of people it ex this violence against just dehumanization of of of entire race of people all this kind of stuff as well as the the the sick use of violence against one

Particular gender is used only to kind of reinforce one’s own biases and again like JC said just to win points right you never cared about how for example like what’s it called the 40% you know the 40% of police blah like that meme right you don’t care about the

Amount of violence that goes that happens in your own country right uh in fact some people may even make like throw away jokes about it but when you see it in another way of a particular context that’s fed to you in a particular way then all of a sudden you

Have like um some performative moral outrage that’s usually um covered with some Thin veneer of of of of of racism supposing that by the way that the thing that you’re being fed is even true the vast majority if not I dare I say all essentially uh that has been reported on

That particular uh the events are taking place uh have been nonsense from the babies thing to to all the to all the rest of it but sorry we we completely shifted from I want to I want to see JT squabble over the white people question so I completely derailed your point is there

Please go on I mean I guess it’s all the classic Us Versus Them demonize the potential enemy as as much as you can and what’s more horrific than sexual assault really and like I guess like you know we should preface this by saying like this is a serious matter like not

Trying to diminish someone’s experience if they have experienced assault like who’s to say like in in war zone in war in Conflict it it happens it’s it’s documented and it happens in every war and every conflict um so we’re not trying to say that like haha it doesn’t

Happen or or like [ __ ] these people especially if there is a credible experience um it’s just we know and we see how it’s being used and manipulated and how cruel is it that you use one of the most heinous acts forced upon someone men and women um to to make a

Point like it it’s just it’s yeah I guess there’s there’s really no rules but you would think that you wouldn’t stoop that low right no genuinely and that’s kind of makes the the discussion even more difficult because the Beyond just that point then you even doubt the sincerity of these

People it gets it gets irritating but I think there’s also a lot of just a an issue of being chronically online yeah for for these when you when you see these opinions because when you talk to regular people or when you discuss within your own organizations or even

Your own family and work places and whatnot if these conversations even come up which they should you encounter much more sober I would assume uh perspectives right right or like less just horrific like I I have I have one tweet that I saved it’s like oh they

Raped women until their pelvis is broke J like that’s such a that’s such a extreme Visual and and like why would you go that far on something that you don’t even have like evidence for it it’s clearly meant to just outrage people they raped women until their

Pelvises broke they they tied babies to their mothers and burned them alive they made a 90-year-old Holocaust Survivor kneel and executed them which is like given Israel’s track record to how they treat Holocaust Survivors how most of them live in poverty like I read a quote

The other day what was it that like oh the Holocaust Survivors are weak we’re not going to let that happen to us like that’s so like it’s all project right like it’s really no one can no sane person I think can read this and and think that there

Isn’t something more Sinister going on here there’s also like the hilarious uh post that Amy Schumer made on uh Twitter with like oh yeah the the fake Palestinian protest and like the little posters that they’re holding like I love Hamas Gins rape Jewish girls only in self-defense uh beheading is resistance

I kind of like that that one though uh yeah so was say stab Jews for Allah like it’s really [ __ ] up but it’s like no it’s a drawing because no one’s no one’s saying this no one’s doing this it’s all fabricated but it’s people feel so emboldened to these false

Realities that they they make full ass public posts about it and there’s unstable unwell and you know impressionable people who eat it up and then commit horrible crimes uh just last night there was another Muslim woman who was stabbed to death in in the United States in Texas actually I think it was

Mhm yeah it was so it’s like it has real world consequences not just in the genocide in Palestine but all over the world people you make Muslims and Muslim men especially or Arab men which people can’t tell the difference of you know so they’re like and then real people suffer

Because of it everywhere in the world yeah I mean there there are actual tangible consequences to this stuff I mean we we’ve seen it most recently with this but then a few months ago it was the the China scare stuff like oh they’re making super soldiers oh they’re

You know they’re they’re spies you know they’ve got spy police stations in the United States and so you had all these horrific attacks on people of Asian descent doesn’t matter if they’re Chinese it’s just you know to the average American anybody who looks Asian

Is the enemy now so and then we saw it in the the leadup to the the quote unquote war on terror like aftermath of of 911 it’s the same EXA people were being attacked the Ridiculousness of it I think the first man I believe somebody could correct him probably but I believe

The first man that was murdered specifically as like quote unquote revenge for 911 quote unquote was a seek man on waiting for like the New York Subway or something um and some crazy it it’s it’s really sad but what makes it like almost funny it isn’t funny but

What makes it almost funny is that this guy’s caricature of what Muslims are is that they all must have a turb goes after the first guy that he sees with the turban despite the fact that oh my God yeah like you have to the ignorance with the hatred combined is so

Potent yeah I even I saw that the seek Coalition had to come out with a statement after the young boy was stabbed two weeks ago the young Muslim boy Palestinian American boy that was stabbed by his landlord uh yeah the seat Coalition had to come out and like make

Statements because like every time there’s a rise in Muslim hate crimes uh the the seik population has to jeez yeah raise their awareness as well genuinely like it’s one thing you expect ignorant hateful you know mean-spirited ahistorical post from people online you know on Twitter that’s what that’s what

The internet does Best But when we see you know wall-to-wall coverage mindlessly parting either debunked claims or dehumanizing rhetoric as we’ve seen in this instance and many times before that’s when it becomes really dangerous because you have quote unquote normal people consuming this this these lies or this slander this rhetoric

Whatever internalizing it and coming to view an entire group of people as like subhuman Savages which then of course accelerates the the decline into these hate crimes or or or all these whatever other tragedies happen to befall normal people just living their lives and that’s that is where the media in the

West and the United States in particular has really failed and that it’s that’s and maybe that’s you know you can be conspiratorial and say oh you know maybe it’s intentional or you can say maybe it’s just you know a morally bankrupt thing this is

The easy way to do it you just parot the claims that you’re fed nobody actually gives a [ __ ] about their job at these stations and that’s there are consequences that they don’t care about so very uh disheartening to say the least right and it’s it’s not just a

Failure in like the kind of propaganda that we’re fed but it’s a failure of like our education system it has multiple L because like why are they so susceptible to believing these things cuz we don’t learn anything about other religions and other parts of the world in the United States like mandatory

Education doesn’t usually cover like world geography and religion at least not to an extent where you can differentiate what’s what or where someone is so it’s it’s beyond just the propagandized you know us versus them demonize the enemy it’s it’s it starts even as as children in our lack of

Education yeah and it’s alarming I mean here in Texas to give you guys an anecdote there are new textbooks in certain school districts in Texas that basic basically just say and then the Native Americans left essentially so they completely erasing the the the actual history of genocide that took

Place here and so people wonder why Americans seem so ignorant it’s because like you said it starts you know at at the very youngest forms of Education yeah you don’t even know what to say at some point it’s like every single thing is is like it’s stacked against the average person actually

Grappling with what the world looks like actually having an understanding of history or of geography or of religion or even like social science little things that all adds up to this perfect storm of ignorance that enables not only individual hate crimes and things like this but also support for the machine

That causes Mass suffering around the world right and it’s almost like we’re at the tip of this this Mass uh what do you call it a storm right because it it’s it’s Beyond you know years and years of dehumanizing whichever enemy uh the United States has you know I deal

With you know mostly like Soviet history and like the Red Scare and that had major consequences in that like in in every field in education and the Sciences like when you had Mass firings of uh professors and scientists who even showed a Little Bit of Sympathy towards

Communism or the Soviet Union and now you and you still have a lasting effect right because now you have old people in these institutions who to uh demonize or or afraid to mention any sort of positive about these things and then who’s hired it just it goes on and on

And so it’s it’s really a longstanding you know uh issue that we have in our in our education in our propaganda that all leads to this and it’s all these people being stabbed to death just sitting on a bench on a phone as this woman was just yesterday it it’s

All just this long line of of propaganda and ignorance and purposeful dismissal of people with with open views sorry it’s depressing I know no no it’s it’s not it’s it’s like these are things that you people need to think about because it’s as fun as it is to be in the clouds

With a theory uh and of course even in the drgs with organizational work if you if if you should if you’re taking part of that which everybody should be doing at least on some event if you’re not involved in your local union for example and you should be in something politics

Determines every aspect of your life so it’s silly to not be at least playing some part in it yourself at least some level but that being said though these things are a sort of um like quotequote secondary analysis because they’re they’re if you’re not directly affected by them

Then you can very quickly be get blindsided by all the other stuff that you’re experiencing and that’s sometimes what you see with a lot of some reactions of like let’s say European nations to to what’s going on in Palestine where where instead of you know realizing the humanity in in in in

The correct alignment um uh they let out lukewarm statements or they just stay quiet or they do the batet crazy thing which is completely SED with the the sett colonial entity um despite the fact that if you were to like actually even the most Pro country prole Colonial you

Know uh country in Europe if you were to go there and ask everyday people about what’s happening and you were to show them the footage and show them what’s actually happening on the ground they would at least go towards the middle if not flip entirely and this is something

That again if if if you don’t kind of harp on it sad to say if you don’t make people depressed about this then the change that’s required will not take place yeah um yeah that’s why I posted that I posted a long I I went back and

Forth it was fantastic for for like I don’t know a couple weeks like I’ve I’ve just been saving dozens of clips of just heinous crimes against the Palestinian people because I know I’m followed by a lot of you know new lefties and liberals um that aren’t really shown the reality of

The situation you know they hear the Israeli side they see it on the news and that’s about it you know Israel’s defending itself that’s that’s their perspective and so I was like okay I’m just gonna I’m going to blast them with this post and luckily it’s gotten some

Traction I think a lot of people have seen it and hopefully some people have changed their minds but that’s that is what you need to do like most people just aren’t aware of this stuff and you need to present them with it they need to see actual human beings rather than

Just like rhetorical devices like there the the amount of footage of children being pulled from Rubble or or like there’s a a son who is badly injured comforting his father who was crying next to him by by the stretcher and things like that it’s like man just the

Depth of depravity you would need to sink to to look at that and say no I’m going to keep my perspective intact I’m going to I’m going to turn away from this to me that is that is unconscionable and thankfully I think the tide is turning you you know with around the

World we’ve seen massive solidarity marches for Palestine and Israel continues to To Lose Friends left and right obviously we’re still up against a large challenge because the United States is its largest benefactor and that’s that support’s not going anywhere but yeah on an individual level confronting people with actual footage

Or you know the reality of the situation can sometimes do some good no I I just I fear that there’s people who are becoming numb to it right like and it’s sad like how many times do Palestinians have to show their they’re dead and dying for to get sympathy when all it

Takes is one or two photos of a person when they’re still alive when they’re still healthy in a in a little text saying this person may or may not be captured by Hamas and they immediately get so much love and support and belief but Palestinians have to Showcase their

Dead right like the the press conference amongst all the dead bodies that they had and still there’s people who don’t care it’s wild that they have to Showcase their suffering to be taken seriously as much of the world becomes numb to it but yeah you’re right I think young people

Are definitely turning their heads like they’re not afraid anymore of like being let go of their jobs or their school there’s definitely a new generation of people who don’t fear the same sort of tactics that for instance was utilized in in the second Red Scare I think it’s

Also there’s a social acceptance of being like this General trend of of not I I would to say like growing leftwing Trend like a lot of people have like sock them beliefs more or less for example the us but at the very least there is a social acceptance of being

For example hey maybe we should listen to the Palestinian side if you were to go like 20 years back this is this was a non-existent thing um comparatively uh but I I did I did want to to read um something that uh that was really interesting by the inter revolutionary

Feminist committee I posted a link to that is that okay if I if I go into that go righte yeah go righte okay so this this organization the interim revolutionary feminist committee uh published a piece on October 9th uh titled uh tear feminism out of the hands of the colonizer our statement debunking

The claims of mass rape used to siphon off support from the Palestinian resistance and and there are a lot of really enlightening things and I highly recommend people go and uh read the whole thing um but but this is what they said they said Zionist media sources

Such as the The Times of Israel have stated that there is no conclusive evidence that even a single case of rape or sexual assault has occurred at the hands of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters much less that it has occurred in mass in an article posted on October

8th they reported that such cases are only suspected they state that these concerns of sexual assault stem from two sources one a video of woman with blood on her shorts and two an image of a woman lying in a truck while images coming from a war zone are shocking for

Most mostly everyone absolutely none of the videos released show any conclusive evidence right and they raised the question why like why are they doing this this is what we’re talking about why are they doing this and it’s in order to organize masses of people into their narrative that Palestinian Freedom

Fighters are evil monstrous terrorists right of course the classic US versus them and like these unsubstantiated claims really overshadow the history of sexual violence imposed on Palestinians and others by the Zionist entity I mean just in July of 2023 Israel came under criticism for passing a law that allowed

Jewish settlers to have a lesser punishment for rape sexual assault and sexual harassment towards Palestinian citizens wow uh mult multiple news headlines in the past 10 years calling out Israel for their growing issue of being a safe haven for pedophiles and sexual predators and in 2023 the head of

Uh Megan for Jewish communities and isra NGO that tracks sexual predators revealed that there were about 100 rabbis teachers and other figures who have been accused charged or convicted of sexual abuse overseas uh that finding refuge in Israel I know there’s a mapping project of this as well and so

This article that I highlight they give many many examples of um assault towards Palestinians which is is quite heavy but they go on to mention how sex crimes like this are not just limited to Palestinian women in 2010 uh 15-year-old Palestinian boy came forward stating that Israeli occupation forces um

Attached a car starter cable to his penis and uh threatened that he won’t be able to have children once they’re done with him and and this is just one one story there’s many accounts of of torture and a report by uh the organization save the children said that

In 20123 they found that 86% of Palestinian children detained by the occupation are beaten uh 69% are strip searched 42% injured at the point of arrest and many face violence in a sexual nature such as being touched hit in the genitals before being placed in small cages so it’s it’s like a known

And documented even their own NOS document like these sorts of sex crimes uh and yet we’re so quick to believe that it’s just a Hamas thing a Muslim man thing you know an Arab thing yet the overwhelming evidence and and studies done by their own NOS even show these

Realities and like as as a Muslim woman who like covers herself I can only imagine like the psychological and uh religious aspect to it where they’re you know forcing Palestinian women to strip in front of who uh for how long why and a lot of it is probably very much rooted

Into not just a dehumanization but the disrespect for for instance the choice to cover or something and go this is something that I I found very not painful but um irritating to see that it completely lacked from any sort of nuance in this conversation which is the extensive examples of the the attempts

Of that legal military occupation uh in harassing Palestinian women in sexually assaulting Palestinian women and doing far worse to girls as young as I don’t even want to say it like it’s it’s a ridiculous it’s a ridiculous thing to all of a sudden like it’s so um two-faced because you clearly don’t care

This is your attempt to try to dehumanize a a population undergoing some sort of anti-colonial struggle at the moment um you’ve never or these people have never once cared truly about women or their safety or whatnot they’re only using this as a a a modality or an

Outlet for their own racism to be like ah look at these Savage they Point them pointed them look at these Savages but meanwhile when the other side that they’re supporting has done far more like to a ridiculous amount I’m sure all of us have seen the video of that um uh

That elderly man who was an Israeli soldier during the 48s you know during the neba when Palestinians were were expelled or or or murdered essentially for the first time uh and he’s gleefully talking about him sexually harassing and not sexually he’s gley talking about raping women right yeah it’s and it’s

It’s just yeah the disgust of this yeah just how two- faced it is and and how point and this is something that’s per this entire conversation you have people who are the most um the typical [ __ ] um Andrew Tate kind of guys um not not even like that that’s kind

That’s even more of a meme than anything else you know what kind the the the the fascist person the fascist archetype of what a man is supposed to be and what he believes are the connections between a man and a woman the relations between the two uh these types coming out with

These sort of arguments is just so disingenuous that’s the word I’m [ __ ] looking for something that is very interesting related to this is that of course this is not the first time in history um but we saw a very big example of this going uh back to World War I in

Particular could you could you please get go a little bit into that um since it’s closer to your field of right really what I know most about is the uh the propaganda against against the Soviets right and uh I think all of us are quite familiar apologies my cat

Is batting at my head it’s completely going that’s her blessing this episode as F yeah uh so we’re all quite familiar with claims of like the Soviets raping German woman like there’s been so much in the English language produced talking about like the rape of Berlin and and Soviet

Soldiers being depicted as these like horrific Monsters uh and again that’s interesting because I feel like anyone who studies history especially military history in war and like the social study around that is quite aware that every single war in every single Army unfortunately utilizes rape be that as a

Purposeful tactic of dehumanization and taking what you want be that the psychological sociolog iCal aspect of a soldier on their break or like their break in humanity doing what they’re doing or maybe just the psychological aspect of being ordered to do so as a actual tactic right but it’s something

That every Army has done and it’s a horrible thing and to like try and pinpoint and say only one kind of army or person does it is just really disingenuous to the you know very well documented historical fact and some interesting Studies have come out in the

Past like 10 years trying to shed light on the fact that while the Soviets are always heralded as these rapists that really the American and Canadian even armies were very well documented in raping German and French women uh and a lot of these new findings actually come

Out of archives from churches who were documenting uh these sorts of crimes after the war ended which is really really interesting let me see if I can find and it what’s funny is when you look at these sorts of Articles even the way that they’re described is kind of messed up because

Even it let me see if I can find the title here oh yeah so one of these is called were the Americans as bad as the Soviets right and the article is just talking about uh the assault perpetrated by Americans but even just to talk about

This entire topic they have to put the Soviets in there which is is very very telling right so it’s believed that uh members of the US military raped as many as 190,000 German women by the time West Germany regained uh sovereignty in 1955 with most of the assaults taking place

In the months immediately following the US invasion of Nazi Germany the author bases her claims in large in large part on report reports kept by Bavarian priests in the summer of 1945 wow yeah and they go into great detail about about what exactly happened and then there’s a similar study done in

France and some of the quotes from this were really interesting uh there’s even a a New York Times article the Dark Side of Liberation is what this article is called and you can read it on the New York Times um so it says the soldiers who landed in Normandy on D-Day were

Greeted as liberators but by the time American GIS were headed back home in late 1940 many French citizens viewed them in a very different light let’s see in the port city of leav French name the mayor was bombarded with letters from Angry residents uh complaining about drunkenness Jeep accidents and sexual

Assault a regime of Terror as one put it imposed by bandits in uniform and these are Americans what soldiers do sex in the American GI and World War II France is a book written by historian Mary Louise Roberts which uh talks about all of this yeah so she she draws from

American military records wartime propaganda and other sources to advance a provocative argument that the liberation of France was sold to soldiers not as a battle for freedom but as an erotic Adventure among oversexed French women stirring up a tsunami of male lust that a battered and mistreated

Population often saw as a second assault on its sovereignty and dignity so I I just think it’s really interesting that we talk so much about like the assault and horrific activities done by whoever is perceived as the enemy of the United States at that time when in reality it’s

Often very much so projection because now all these studies are coming out and books and records are being dug up of of how bad the Americans were and we never hear a single word about that and and the just sorry cuz the the liberal in

The wall is is is clawing and I I hear voices um but essentially this is not to negate or reduce the gravity of sexual assault carried out by um by armies of whatever stripe it’s always bad when it happens uh all this is not a good thing

The point that we’re trying to highlight is that the use and highlighting of one particular group as the archetype of barbarism for carrying this out despite the fact that they didn’t really do it any anymore or probably actually to a lesser extent than the other side which

Was held as the Paragon of freedom and all the other [ __ ] um it’s all part of ideology and it’s ideology that you that that people are taught from a very young age and are made are goes down very easy um because it’s part and parts of all the other shits like communism

The food the Soviets had no freedoms they rape women like you know it’s it’s the bullet points and that’s why it’s um ideology is not something that you you you tear down a day nor is it something that’s built up over one single Foundation they have a thousand

Arguments to try to all of them misplaced or uh Mis uh represented in order to create this straw man that they uh push on to everybody in fear that the profits uh and and power and privilege uh of the proper deed uh will be uh will be affected right and that’s why it’s

Just it’s just a reorienting of the of the perspective right we’re not taking away from the negativity of the thing that we’re discussing it’s sorry going on right yeah so like I mean the the what Soviet state is is very well documented and there’s even like like

Act accounts of of people talking on camera talking about this this stuff so it’s it’s not that like it didn’t happen the thing that we need to remember is why is it that certain accounts from certain armies and and certain you know victims why are certain ones translated

Into English and mass produced and published whereas it took how many years for these new findings from France and German Germany to finally be written about and published about so it it’s always something to keep in mind is why is this being translated for me and why

Is this being pushed towards me and you know of course we have like the Red Scare to to than for a lot of that but whoever is the current quote unquote enemy of of the West whatever is negative about what they’ve done is going to be highlighted translated and

Mass-produced and perspectives that fit that narrative are going to be more so pushed towards you and you know maybe hopefully it won’t take so many years to uh you know hear more of the reality of what’s going on right now on all sides but you know we know it’s a fact of of

History that we’re not going to be getting all of the narratives because of which narratives are popular and want to be pushed I mean there’s this really famous picture I I I uh I think anytime anyone talks about the rip of Berlin there’s this propaganda this polish propaganda poster of like this Soviet

Soldier in like a budanova like groping a woman in a white dress and it says like do you want to allow this to happen to your women and girls defend yourself against bolism with all your might and it’s interesting because I’ve seen that picture so many times like anytime

Anyone talks about like the rape of Berlin the way that it it’s propagandized and I find it interesting that like for that they Ed this like horrific rendering of like a a drawing and like of course the Soviet is depicted as a very like I don’t know like ogreish looking

Man like he’s not he doesn’t look very human yeah yeah like he he’s made to look crazed and and inhuman and and then there’s emphasis on the purity of the woman in white screaming right and then you know I was I was looking at the Soviet posters depicting similar things

Because also being directly on the front the Soviets faced Mass casualties and atrocities and and and rape and that’s very well documented and photographed as well not very talked about in English and I found a poster by um Victor Denny he’s a very famous poster artist he’s he definitely seen his work he’s

Responsible for like the the old Soviet Chad meme basically that happened yeah um but he but he did a poster piece uh of a you know also very animalistic looking Nazi Soldier drooling over this dead woman with being hung uh with her breast chopped off which is a real

Account that happened of the Soviet partisan Zoya um cosmoda cosmoda I can never say her last name who was a 18 yeah 18-year-old Soviet partisan who was beaten tortured sexually assaulted and she had very very famous last words of comrades why are you looking so sad be brave you know

Beat the Germans burn them I’m not afraid to die it’s a happiness to die for one’s people and you hang me now but I’m not alone there are 200 million of us you can’t hang us all they will avenge me um but there’s very famous photographs of her you know like I think

It’s like in the snow with the Rope still on her neck her breasts bare and one of them chopped off that happened at after the fact um and so it’s interesting how like it reminds me of like the the Palestinian plight how it’s so well documented all the like

Atrocities that are happening and yet no one knows about this this poster this poster is relatively obscure I don’t see it in any like Western collections you have to really specifically search for it yet the poster of a you know fictional Soviet man groping this pure woman in white is is mass Massy

Plastered on any article or book talking about the rape of Berlin and so I just think it’s really important to like consider these things why things are translated and pushed uh and then the comparison of like you know photographic evidence in comparison I I just want to interject on one thing this absolute

Hero that we have um Kaya um she had a monument in the city of shenigo or or Chen in in Ukraine and it had stood there for decades now but on April 2022 can you guess what happened to that statute it yeah they took it down and

They they and they renamed it after some [ __ ] another person of very questionable political beliefs let’s just put it that way as is very typical but yeah U sorry go on I just want to interject on that point no I mean actually I didn’t know that that statue

Was also taken out I’m not surprised um but it’s like what what problem could you have with with this this story I suppose there are people who will always claim have claimed with her and will probably claim with what’s going on right now that these stories were propagandized and not completely true

And made to make someone look worse but it’s like these are particular stories where you have so much like photographic and personal like evidence of people who were there cuz it was done publicly and yet you still have people claiming it can’t possibly be true cuz the enemy did

It you’re you know you’re perceived ever enemy has done it so or you know what I meant yeah yeah no exactly right could you please elaborate on one thing um the general approach towards dehumanizing these quote unquote Oriental men and how they’re kind of like almost their

Humanity is torn out of them and this not only by the way of course you have the the character that is Hamas what they imagine these people to be like the the men that represent that movement but on the other side you also have people who are like nurses and doctors and uh

Like regular people um and these two they they’re like painted with this brush of like a the Hamas Mist they’re sprayed with it right um could you please tell us about that yeah I mean I think uh recently again more I hate to be referencing tweets but we’re

Really in that that that’s that’s the reality we live in uh there’s that tweet that’s been going around it’s been on Instagram as well of like the doctors at what what is the the AL ala Hospital in Gaza uh that that are you know singing with smiles because like they’re they’re

Not going to they’re not going to leave the hospital and then there’re and I think that that really struck a chord with people uh kind of realizing that they’ve been viewing you know men from this this region very in a in a very propagandized light uh someone said the way Muslim men

Have been demonized and made to look barbaric like all they want is to kill and rape your women since the unrest in Gaza I have seen Medics hug Shell Shocked babies journalists letting kids put makeup on them just to make them smile use only their hands to dig

Strangers out of rubble look at their T like look at their tired but smiling faces and and commit to unlearning tropes that have been touted by every media Outlet I’ve seen another one another post that’s been making it rounds it’s like this this uh like paragraph of um the being frustrated

That we only hear like women and children like the innocent women and children when it’s like Palestinian men are literally fasting so that their families can eat and drink uh with what little they have they’re the ones digging through the reubel to find their neighbors like they’re they’re equally

Deserving of our respect and compassion and are totally left out of the narrative but again like this is not something new like we have seen the demonization of Arab and Muslim men since forever right especially since since 9/11 unfortunately and what I find really interesting like from the sort of

Narratives that get pushed onto Muslims especially is that it’s always one extreme or the other either Muslims are seen as extreme like prudes like like they’re not allowed to to look at each other you they they are forced to cover themselves all these like super like tropes of being extremely sexually

Repressed or it’s it’s on the other end of the spectrum where they’re all just sexual deviant and and perverts and and rape and take and use and and I just I found that particularly interesting and like like I’ve been Muslim for 10 years and I have a very unique perspective of

Being a Muslim American in the United States but but I’m definitely interested in what hakee has to say about that sort of Trope and and how you’ve seen it portrayed and how it might even affect you I’m very curious about your perspective onto that because I have a very unique uh American Muslim

Perspective yeah it’s uh it’s very um ridiculous I would say it is generally like um a I don’t know like 1930s you know uninformed American be movie type of like image of what uh interactions between the Sexes are and what is allowed what isn’t what is

Socially accepted and all that but it is more or less yeah it is it is on some cases far more open and other cases more closed and it’s in line with a certain cultural tradition that has existed for centuries if not over a thousand years of course these things had changed from

Time to time but uh the idea of like you know the the sexual oppression idea is completely misplaced and incorrect I think like it it’s these quote unquote traditional cultures quote unquote uh don’t have the issue where like what what is in the US with 35% of men have Absolut don’t have any

Partner and have absolutely no sorts of intimacy whether whether sexual or otherwise uh have no access to any sort of like emotional uh intimacy even um this is not something that exists in in in these societies um amongst many other examples I you know there’s lots that we

Could say when people try to accuse Islam of of being a certain way like you know there’s punishment for rape that really it ranges on like the circumstances but it could be being stoned to death like the amputation of the of the limb that was used to to rape

Right uh like the hands whatever uh whipping imprisonment like banishment like banishment in like fines like having to pay the person who who who went through this and then you know we also have so there’s there’s that misunderstanding there’s lots of people who think like oh you’re just like

Allowed to rape in Islam aren’t you which is so crazy again that goes back to the lack of Education the lack of Education in the years of propaganda you know there’s a lot of people who believe that the sort of like prudishness is more of a a colonized like result that

Like it came more so from uh like the the West when in reality there’s like a long history of openness in talking about sex and and uh sexual relations and there’s there’s many Hadith uh you know about people coming to the prophet peace be upon him and and being allowed

To openly discuss and ask questions of of a sexual nature men and women uh and I know there’s a really really famous Hadith and like please correct me because I am going off of a the translations that I have heard I’m sure Arabic is very specific but one Hadith

That I hear maybe like once every couple of months I don’t know why my like imams here love to use it uh is about the prostitute that was forgiven for all of her sins because she gave a Thirsty Dog Water yeah right he was a dog was dying

Of thirst she saw him and she some say that it was like she forg forgotten her own thirst like she was also thirsty but decided to give uh the dog water sometimes that’s not mentioned um and it’s an interesting Hadith that is used uh a lot in in these sorts of

Discussions because the fact that she was apparently a prostitute isn’t the point right like it doesn’t matter her past her sins her sexual activity it it is not it does not matter because she was a kind person who gave a water and so it’s interesting that we

Have like this view of Islam as being like violent towards people or judgmental towards sexuality when we have these traditions in our faith that really are open-minded about these sorts of realities of sex and and Clos and closeness and of course uh Center more so on one’s intention and what was in

Their hearts uh and and I think when you have that juxtaposition shown to you or discussed with you it can really help people understand the reality of of our faith right I don’t know maybe that hopefully that makes sense but these are the kinds of things that come up when I

Hear these misplaced accusations uh towards towards Muslims I even I even saw another tweet of course uh upset about this video where where this where this man was helping a woman who normally wears hijab uh cover her head with like his T-shirt because like her house was bombed she wasn’t wearing it

Cuz she was in her home and she wanted to be covered and there’s so many men and women angry at this man for comforting her and helping her cover her head cuz that’s what she wanted to do like give her the comfort that she wants and it all stems down to these

Discussions and the comments of course of how uh awful and sexually repressive or deviant whichever it is at the time uh Islam is and and you know trying to find fault in the way that women are treated even if he’s doing something like respecting what she wants and her

Privacy it’s still viewed in this in the western lens of being something uh deviant and controlling and evil even I get that I get comments a lot of people who assume because I cover I somehow look down on people who don’t I literally don’t care what people wear

Right um but people have these very visceral reactions to the concept of of what a Muslim does and looks like and it always Teeters from being super repressed or too sexual in some way and that of course plays into all this propaganda we’re seeing of rape apparently happening in mass and the the

The complex like the the again it’s it’s the usual intersection of of uh you know orientalism various strands of racism of course complete ignorance of the culture and and and and the uh details of the area that they’re analyzing or commenting on um but all this like to

Bring kind of centered back to to to the original conversation is all this kind of flows neatly into the um like the Zionist propaganda box right um which from that from that spot emanates essentially the American Media narrative which then is spread and then eaten up

By all the other major news networks for the most part uncritically of course no digestion of the ideology no fact checking for sure um it’s completely like Mass reproduced uh and as a result you have these these these incorrect perspectives based on incor incorrect presumptions kind of turned into

Quotequote common knowledge but the on the other hand which is even more the I guess the sil lineing to this is people have seemingly been seeing through this enough at least to realize that uh hey maybe we shouldn’t be listening to this partic perspective maybe there is another side to this potentially and

It’s exciting to see that people are actively uh I don’t know questioning it at least I don’t think this is only my circles thing of things even in Fairly like places where I don’t expect to see this particularly online that’s what I mean places where I don’t expect to see

See this I see the questioning happening uh even we had a massive March in Dallas Texas the other day for Palestine that to me like you know five years ago Unthinkable and that’s that it shows what a Monumental sea change has been happening just over the last few weeks

It’s incredible absolutely yeah and I think the more we see this atrocity like you know propaganda coming up uh the more particularly from that side the more we’re going to iiz hey you know what if if unlike like um it’s again very telling that the OCC the legal

Occupation has to make up all this [ __ ] or use like 3D renders or like drawings and all that stuff meanwhile all the Palestinians have to do is turn on a [ __ ] phone camera and then the whole world knows right there’s a clear you know uh who is the one telling the truth

On this who’s the one who’s actively being oppressed who’s the ones being targeted and and and being currently ethnically cleansed versus The Other Side who the the perpetrator of that which is of course why the electricity was cut so they couldn’t you know people couldn’t communicate couldn’t charge their phones couldn’t capture this

Information it’s why journalists are being targeted so they can’t get this information out and it hasn’t worked thankfully hasn’t worked and and it won’t work because uh the the truth emerges above falsehood always just like apar South Africa this is just a it’s a a trend um whether it will be uh

Peaceful or bloody however it may end up uh we’ll slowly but surely March into that that uh the dream that is a pluralistic and Democratic Palestine which allows for equal rights for all so that this historically beautiful ancient Multicultural multifaith multi- Community Society will return to being

Exactly what that was people of all sorts of descents and faiths uh intermixing and and living side by side uh in a way that uh had been basically the nature of of the of the slant at least for the past thousand years from 119 what 1198 1196 or so until 1947 1948

Very well said and that’s a perspective you will never hear from the supporters of the illegal military occupation that’s they do not want that and that I think it should tell you everything you need to know like pick a side you do have to and I think it’s clear which one

You need to you need to pick yeah yeah exactly right and we have uh as as uh Muslims and as believing people alhamdulillah we we say that we have in in God andul is um there’s a very nice there’s a very nice Hadith uh which basically goes along along the lines of

Um bedwin walks up to the prophet s alhi wasallam and he asks him um should I have the concept is essentially um having faith in God that things will work out according to God’s plan essentially right um especially when you hope for the best for yourself and you

Ask God for for the outcome that you’d like and the bed one comes up to to the prophet and he asks him um should I just have to should I just have faith in in God that things will work out the way that I want when I’m in the desert and I

Am like you know on my camel or whatever or should I also like should I tie my camel to make sure that he stays beside me or should I have faith that he’ll he will stay beside me and I don’t tie him and you know cuz he might wander into

The desert and he’ll never see him again and the prophet said both he’s like have and tie your camel right so have your faith in God but also TI C and this is kind of the the parallel that we have as uh uh leftist as well is that yeah we need to

Lay the groundwork organizationally uh in the you know this the fight to the propaganda War as well amplify voices that need to be heard as well as have undying faith in in in the emergence and the Victory of the truth uh over falsehood right I I think you just

Taught the audience some some Muslim lingo because people just say that just say tie your camel it’s like it’s like a thing that Muslims just say to each other tie your camel tie your camel so so I I agree tie your camel and U you know I hope I

Have so much hope that that this the fact that people are seeing this reality like you said their minds are changing they’re they’re opening to the the reality just also because like what they’re faced with is just ridiculous accusations um but I hope this has a bigger effect and and triggers people to

Not just be uh you know suspicious of of propaganda coming out of Israel and and empathizing with the Palestinian people but hopefully this also expands into other things of course selfishly I hope this also helps people think hm if if this is all lies about the Palestinians

Maybe they lied about the Soviets too or maybe they lied about communism too I think this can really have a domino effect on people realizing that they’ve been lied to and there’s so much misunderstanding and misinformation out there and hopefully it it it ignites a sort of eagerness to learn those other

Perspectives and realities exactly right beautifully said I think I think with this we can uh we can wrap up for the for today there’s been a lot discussed a lot of very heavy things discussed um but uh these things are necessary to discuss uh and uh what

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