Shanda Vander Ark Journeys Justice Chat…Texts/Paul

Timothy Ferguson is the Victim….Police go over the Texts on the stand….Paul is on the stand…My live Trial on this is on my channel to watch…

You may be seated all right back in the record 23110 FC people state of Michigan versus Shonda Vander Ark uh record reflect the jury is in in the Jury Room secure anything before the record before we bring the jury Out Mr Roberts Mr Johnson no sir thank you all right please rise for

Right you may be seated Mr Robert you glad to recall your Witnesses thank you please have a seat um both reminded you’re still under oath yes sir gra seat go ahead Mr Roberts thank you um Lieutenant DET I believe we left off on June 13 series of text messages that ended on June

13th so we would like to continue with the next portion June 19th 5:23 p.m. should he be laying down yeah it’s fine today I told him you can do his bread with hot sauce at any time though preferably sooner than later put more hot sauce than you did yesterday

Please and he has to eat at least three s slices with hot sauce but may have more as long as they all have plenty of hot sauce on them a break there June 21 at 8:03 p.m. headed home now KK how is everything everything did you make him eat his bread with hot

Sauce I was just about to get up to get it how many four with hot sauce that he has to eat and he has allowed and he has allowed another four without house sauce but he has to do the hot sauce when first and then set a timer for 30

Minutes before he can eat the others I found enough and change to get G some chicken nuggets and french fries from Burger King it’s like three bucks total so we will be home as soon as I do that another break there next thread is June 27 at 5:28

A.m. Ty and Sari please don’t damage the door kicking it trying to help you but he has laid over now he has moved around so he got the Cuffs in front of him instead of behind him I put the Cuffs back behind him I will have to deal with

Less than 2 hours of sleep today but not letting him get away with this BS break next one is June 27 at 7:33 a.m. okay he did well enough while I was driving to work to be able to put some clothes on however if he miss if he

Misbehaves Bunch you can take the clothes away one other thing do not let GCU get upset with Timothy please and remember Timothy’s camera is recording so if he manages to fall asleep because of you not catching something that’s not going to end well for either one of you

Love you sorry he’s being so difficult a break there next one starts June 27 12:37 p.m. you watching him close yes hey good time for his other cold bath from you another break there start up again June 27 at 10:51 p.m. don’t worry about responding please

I’m about to call it a night Timothy is sitting in his room without his hands on his head but he is sitting there and he doesn’t get to sleep please give him another cold bath when you get home and make him sit in there for at least 30

Minutes hopefully with him getting to sit there and not have his hands on his head he will cooperate better I will have the camera on overnight as well I will leave the keys on the back of the couch so you can get him out of his room after you turn

Off the alarm and then he can just put his clothes back on and just sit there after his bath hopefully you get to sleep more that way hopefully both of us do KK if not you’ll have to hold me back from strangling a child next one starts June 29 7:13

A.m. just so you know if he doesn’t doesn’t behave today I had told him that I am basically turning him over to you from the time you get home today until at least Saturday morning if he behaves I will have you let him lay down for a

Couple of hours today and then he already had earned having to stay up tonight as well but if he doesn’t behave he will stay up tonight tomorrow and Friday night and I told him I would let you deal with him if he doesn’t behave and stay up like he’s supposed to hope

That’s okay it seem it sure seems to motivate him okay he just laid down again okay please go get him up feel free to dump some cold water on them and even if he sits up right before you get there or as you get there I

Honestly don’t care if you get a little rough with him are you going to get him please go ahead and turn the AC on you will be warming up with your blankets and that will make sure he doesn’t stay too warm okay I told Timothy he could rinse his

Eyes out once you got up his eyes have been bothering him since last night a little bit I just sent him to go do that please make sure you get G down to his room before you leave and For the Love of All that is good and holy please close the laundry

Door please close the laundry room door is the AC turned on a break there resumes on June 29 8:25 p.m. trust me I know he’s thin that being said he told me a week and a half ago that he wanted to be thin to make me

Feel bad for punishing him and you don’t get to Grump at him for that though I already lit into him plenty for it of course he did yeah so while I want to fix it he will get most of his calories from plain bread and rice for now for pulling that

He will get plenty of calories but not get to enjoy them that way you know k k so yeah we we’ll tell you more about what he can eat later I hate to be insensitive but can you come out here and deal with Timothy he tried to steal

Some chips and I’m not going to deal with him right now ASAP start again June 30 12:25 p.m. once he fixes the camera we’ll leave y’all alone to get stuff done and he’s already pushing ever one of my buttons what is he doing the hole shaking and I need support crap and

I’m ready to slam him into the ground he also wet the bed and is covered in urine would you say a 5minute shower with the curtain open so I can watch well first you’re not going to slam them anywhere and you can write him you can write him a cold bath

And he needs to wash up and then he’ll need to find clean clothes that don’t fall off of him and then G needs a bath as well anyway and he will need to wash his sheets and he will need to wash the tarp so you need to fold the tarp up to

Make sure nothing comes on the carpet and probably take it out back where he could take one of the green and yellow sponges that aren As Nice and some awesome cleaner and scrub the tar sure 5 minute shower where he can scrub and you can watch his fine as well

But it has to be a cold shower you can tell him he gets it cold because he should not be weding the bed and please check the carpet and see if he needs to clean that too there are some different awesome cleaner for carpet that he can use if he needs to he

Will need to use a different green and yellow sponge for that I do not want him using my nice sponges for either of those okay make sure he gets the sheet and his clothes and any other dirty clothes into the laundry and washed ASAP please okay now the camera is getting on

My nerves it won’t stay where I put it just get him in the shower first and then we will worry about the camera right after that if you need another box for the camera fine just want it working soon if possible and probably good idea

To get Timothy some bread he can wait on Rice till after G’s ball game a break we resume at June 30 at 2:52 p.m. did you move the pizza out of Timothy’s reach before he start working in the kitchen and you aren’t watching him and you’re on a device it looks like

I did my heart he’s just being annoying and I check on him every minute lovely I made the mistake of leaving the speaker on for the camera why are you screaming he sure seems to have recovered quickly right the fake shaking is about to drive me in the pain though

Yep wow he moved way quicker all of a sudden I have repeatedly asked him that was what I thought it was and he denied it over and over over again tell him I now know for sure he lied to me repeatedly about what that was on the floor of his

Room he needs to put what he collected in the trash in the garbage he can stand there like this for a long time but not walk normally he doesn’t shake it all for a while while standing there and then apparently remembers he thinks he should be shaking and starts doing it

Break resume and July the 1 at 12:33 p.m. has Timothy stopped the fake stumbling yet it might be best if you give him like four pieces of bread to eat before he starts work just make sure he stands up while he eats them please that way he has no excuses no and I

Literally yelled into the speaker for 5 minutes to get him to wake up then I had to go drag his butt out bed which is harder than it sounds because it reeks of urine down there okay well his small room and probably the rest of the downstairs after he

Cleans it up need to be steam cleaned get the big steam cleaner that is somewhere in the garage you’ll probably saw it when you cleaned it up and get that whole area down there steam cleaned please okay resume July 1st at 4:03 p.m. I’m ready to kill

Timothy you know what time I get off what’s wrong now I’m not going to but he left his peed and pooped in under thing in the freaking bathroom and I stepped in it the camera in his room needs pickup please uh lots of hot sauce on bread for

That I cleaned my foot but I’m already at my limit he shouldn’t be doing anything in those much less both G where is he currently on the wall downstairs has anything been accomplished he cleaned the kitchen if that’s what you mean all of it or just the dishes and

Will I approve if it’s clean or I had him clean the counters and do the dishes okay that’s not an answer but anyway got to work we’ll see if I’m pleased when I get home or not is he finally walking normally he can have rad with hot sauce on it does need bread

Though I already given four pieces of bread ear earlier I know he’s not walking fine he’s still doing a whole wonky walk do four more pieces of bread with hot sauce on them please do me a favor and go ahead and fix him a cup of rice instead of using water use mostly

Chicken broth there is some broth in the fridge try to get all the way up to the cup with broth and then if you need a little bit more than a cuple liquid just be safe use water but don’t tell him he did that it’s a few extra calories okay

Break resume July 2 2:32 p.m. what do I do if he doesn’t finish within the assigned time hot sauce so apparently this hot sauce isn’t just Carolina Reaper it’s also Trinidad Scorpion Chili Pepper yep a break start over July 2 at 3:07 p.m. groceries are here don’t leave

Timothy you un attended but don’t want anyone seeing him either he’s walking slightly better start back up July 5th at 7:17 a.m. forgot to tell you this before I left Timothy was doing his fake stumbling and falling last night of course so I decided to prove once again

How fake it is I asked him if he would stop doing that if he can eat a whole pizza by himself and he said yes of course and then I told him how obvious it was that it was fake and he had just proven that yet again and of course he

Just looked down and didn’t respond when are you going to the bike shop and please let Timothy go to the bathroom and then put him back in his room with the alarm on when you go g can be in his own room start back up July 5 at 12:05 p.m.

Make sure you get Timothy some bread and water KK if you want him to sit in his room with his hands on his head that’s fine but Timothy does not get to lay around all day have you fed him yet not yet I was literally about to okay

Ty G is hovering right outside Timothy store which might cost Timothy to take even longer because he will claim he was blacked from getting out Timothy’s door seed what is his problem a sorry please make sure you lock both front and back doors when you leave KK

Sorry I’m just really really done with this crap I understand I am well passed on with it as well I know this is a big favor to ask please make sure you go down there regularly to make sure he is not asleep before you leave maybe we

Should leave the light on that way it will be harder for him to fall asleep I really really really do not want you to lose hours at work but I am about to have you call in at least until I can get home I don’t trust what he’s

Going to try and pull today I can’t believe he keeps getting worse and worse worse with his stupidity now he’s refusing to answer me so go through some cold water on him as well okay please do the water now he is being being Beyond stupid okay I really don’t want G seeing

Him like that with no clothes on question mark question mark question mark you are not reading my messages please go back and read them and then go turn the light back on oh sorry please make sure you go back and read all of my messages that I wrote just a couple

Minutes ago because they are important I’m sorry I’m trying I can’t work like this when he’s doing this and there’s no telling what he’ll do when you leave and I don’t want to RIS G seeing him like that with no clothing on why is he doing this to me am I not

Going through enough already feel free to go don’t more cold water on him he moved over where he’s not laying in what you dumped on him earlier go dump more cold water Siri I know you’re trying Mama but he’s just too selfish he’s either going to

Make me lose lose my job or just royally tick me off I won’t allow him to make you lose your job but I don’t know what to do today go dump some more cold water on him okay the camera that was original originally in Timothy small room that is now on my

Desk downstairs I believe could you possibly set that up in my bedroom before you go if so I will have G stay upstairs maybe that will help a little KK please hurry with the water dumping on him though he thinks he’s getting away with something I know I’m crushing the ice

Thank you do you think any part of this is real he’s had more of a break in the last couple of days than he did before that he can’t be more tired than he was right please go ahead and set up the other camera so I know it works and then

Then when you leave tell G he should not go downstairs at all the one with the Tekken app no the one that was in Timothy’s room that we pulled out and is now stuck to a box I think it’s still on my desk downstairs oh okay set that up in my

Room I am the only one that has the app for that that way I can watch G and not worry about him seeing Timothy like this k k please check and make make sure he has not fallen asleep I would prefer if you managed to turn him around so I could

See his face on camera in the bathroom KK is he talking to you at all no is he seriously trying to make us believe that he can’t communicate he’s full of it could you put the camera in my room on top of the dog crate and is he responding to you

Timothy I mean okay and no he’s W not Siri can you please force him to respond to you just to make me feel a little better be honest with me are you worried about him at all or is it all a bunch of BS like it has been for

Days it’s the same old BS so you’re not worried at all nope if I wasn’t so angry then maybe and that’s a big if okay let me rephrase that question then do you honestly believe we should be worried I okay I’m just tired of him being such a

Nuisance also I called work and told them I’d be late okay I’m really sorry I hope they are not upset with you nope if you think G will behave himself and stay upstairs you can try to go to work before I get home I would recommend starting to look

For an Uber in about 30 minutes though are you sure cuz I can and will stay till you get home I really want to say go but I have my concerns of course I don’t know I will trust you to make a good judgment that won’t negatively affect your work

KK just let me know what you decide please I don’t would mean getting down there very early but I am willing to drop you off in Grand Haven before I head to work tomorrow morning you could stay at Starbucks across the street KK let me know when you’re headed

Home please let work know that we will definitely have your ebike fixed one way or another by your shift on Sunday please let them know request beg that your hours not be cut because of this okay thank you if you are staying could you please stay on his

Case it looks like he’s trying to go to sleep and I don’t have the time to yell at him from work and actually get stuff done here yep yeah please go down there now because it looks like he’s trying to sleep he turned away from the camera so I can’t

See if he’s trying to sleep or now he’s not if you’re going to be there why don’t you go ahead and run another cold bath and stick him in it you will have to stay downstairs in the bathroom with him but I can keep an eye on G just

Leave G with keys or he can unlock the freezer if he needs anything how is that going to help it’s going to make him miserable feel free to tell him that once he stops acting like this he can get out of the cold bath isn’t he already and it’s all he’s

Doing yes but this will make him more miserable you might want to tr try the bathroom floor with a rag towel when you go to do that though so you don’t have to worry about sleeping on the water on the floor FL dry not try and try to force him to

Talk to you we both know he hands his eyes do have a slightly glazed look there we have a another photo attached to the this is people’s 36 C for for for but he smirked you can make your eyes glaze over by staring for too long yeah it just looks like he’s been

Staring at something too long you said he smirked never in my life have I ever wanted to beat someone so bad trust me I understand right now but you have to calm down he’s only making it worse for himself crazy idea ask G if he wants

Some pizza rolls and heat up a set of pizza rolls and take one downstairs and offer it to Timothy and see what he does put it right in front of his mouth but be ready to yank it back if he tries to eat it KK and by the way I did not

Intend for you to put the Tekken camera in my room please move that back downstairs where it was before you you leave or before I take you to work the one on top of the crate is perfect okay even if G doesn’t want pizza rolls right away he will want them

Eventually it’s worth it to heat some up just to try that hold it right in front of his lips how much do you want to bet he’s going to try to eat it a lot agreed please do that and get back down there to make sure he’s not falling

Asleep yeah I’m pretty sure he’s trying to fall asleep you’re going down there I gave you time to cool off I’m waiting for the pizza roll KK so how is he reacting now it looked like he tried to grab something or do something with his arm he’s not he’s Krill being stubborn still

WTF I really don’t understand it considering we know it’s all fake yeah please make sure you keep bugging him so he doesn’t try to go to sleep like that that maybe force his mouth open and put some hot sauce in there considering everything he’s put us through

KK does he blink when you smack him on the side of the face and I don’t mean hard smack yes he doesn’t realize that that wouldn’t happen if there were something really wrong with him did he swallow it or try to spit it out he swallowed yeah he’s just fine he’s just

Being an absolute butthead get his arm out from under his head like that he doesn’t get to be comfortable like that he gets no padding whatsoever for his head if it’s going to hang his head sideways please keep an eye on him I’m willing to bet he’s going to move to

Adjust himself soon is it mean to ask you to turn his body slightly where he said would go over the side of the tap backwards that would be even less comfortable he just said adjusted to make himself more comfortable perfect he thinks he can Outlast us are you still down there watching him

Yes he’s moved a little bit to make it less uncomfortable yeah he’s moved a couple of times now to try to get more comfortable am I imagining things or has he already moved a little bit again I’m done I can’t deal with him anymore why are you saying that how can

He lay there like that for any length of time uh if you need to put clothes in the dryer please do real quick he’s doing this to tick us off and make us give up and at this point I’m ready to beat him within an inch of death and go to

Work and that is exactly what he wants you to do he will not last us I can promise you that I have the screen muted because I have to right now but feel free to let him know know that he will not Outlast us and that comes directly from me but

Definitely time to switch the loads anyway so take some deep breaths and go do that is he still acting like he’s staring Straight Ahead yes this is getting Beyond pathetic but he will not win this not going to happen sorry had to step out of my office for a couple of minutes did

You swap the loads yes might be time to dump more cold water just make sure it doesn’t go outside the tub and maybe force him to drink some more did you say something after my comment about showing its fake yes what did you say sorry I didn’t hear

You I just agreed oh okay crazy thought tell him if he actually sits up by himself and stays sitting up he will get some pizza rolls don’t tell him it’s only two rolls and I’m okay if they are frozen rather than cooked okay calm down sweetie he is trying to

Get a reaction out of you just splash water on him occasionally for now I will let you know when I am on my way home I have to stop for gas on the way or I will run out about 15 miles from home but I will make that a very quick stop

And grab you and then head out he’s determined to be a be a pain isn’t he OD question he’s ticklish isn’t he yeah he just moved his head by the way go tickle him mercilessly well he was ticklish wouldn’t surprise me if he had enough determination to resist right now was

Worth a shot like I said he’s moving his head dot dot dot I’m done I’m not dealing with him for another second today or I might snap chill out and just keep an eye on him so he doesn’t sleep and keep doing this splash of water occasionally please and keep an ear out

For the dryer so you know when your clothes are dry calm down you’re okay try dealing with all of this from a distance just do whatever asked as far as keeping him awake and splashing him with water and you’ll be fine if you need to wander

Away from minut it go move that one camera back downstairs where it was and then please take it to the sh shower curtains off the bar in the downstairs bathroom for tonight so he doesn’t have those to cover up with I’m serious about making him sleep in here tonight there

Tonight question mark question mark question mark okay I got it when you go to remove the shower curtain please remove everything else from that bathroom that he could mess with he’s not getting diddly squat to mess around with tonight okay and he needs cold water dum on him

At least one more time before I get there I was talking to you on camera is he still trying to stare off into space yes he’s still breathing right I just have to ask he’s doing enough to make you paranoid even though we know it’s

Fake yes he is you know if this were just a matter of him being tired he would have got enough rest sitting and laying there that he would be fine right now it just further confirms how fake he is being and how horrible he is being honestly please make sure you both move

The other camera and clear out that bathroom before I have to leave work I have a couple of places I want you to call about your bike while you’re waiting for me to get home okay I wonder how it will feel to have that hot sauce on your private

Parts I’m not saying touch him there not at all but dripping a little bit there is that horrible I don’t know and I don’t care does that mean you’re willing to try it no okay well I need to lose the attitude with me at least I didn’t do anything

Here you need to lose the attitude Siri okay I understand that you’re frustrated I am also frustrated Beyond measure what I don’t understand is why you haven’t done either of the two things I told you to do before 5:00 p.m. when I have to leave work okay considering you’re not sitting over

Him and haven’t been for quite a while I’m willing to bet he has slapped at least some when he shouldn’t have been able to nope he’s still awake you’re not thinking about the whole picture in the fact that he can probably hear you walking in but anyway I’m not going to

Go there right now close the bathroom door for now please I’m not watching him on my way home but you can just stay close by and listen for anything like the water turning on or anything stupid like that and then I will turn the camera back on once I pick you up

Okay let me know when you are headed out I will leave at 5: but I will need to stop for about 5 minutes to get a little bit of gas there’s a break there and just to confir that last section that you read before the last break that all occurred on what

Date July 5 and that’s a time period from about noon to about 4 o’ in the afternoon that’s correct all right and then the next then July 5 for clarity is the day before Timothy was found deceased that’s correct we’re out on July 5th at 5:09 p.m. and someone is suddenly moving their

Head more us are busy not even a voicemail tried several times okay getting guest now please tell G to stay in my room till I get home question mark KK sorry just got that okay please check in on Timothy one more time before you go I should be home in Pro in

Probably right around 10 minutes KK I am not going to pull in the garage you will need to come out the front door and lock it real quick okay are you here not yet k k did you check on him yes notice how he had the strength to sink

Down like that right still staring yep he apparently decided to go big or go home today just beyond ridiculous have a break there and that break occurs at what time on at 5 5:56 p.m. then our next one starts on July 5 at 1149 p.m. please set your alarm for 6 a.m. I

Ended up dragging him back to his small room because I wasn’t going to risk him having access to the tub or other things overnight he’s still trying to be stupid but I will tell you more tomorrow while I take you to work describing how many different ways I prove that he’s still faking

He’s still doing it though it’s beyond ridiculous we have a break and then our next text is on July 6 at 6:09 a.m. time to get up and please check on Timothy on your way upstairs question mark question mark question mark that concludes the text messages again for the record that his people’s

Exhibit 36 previously admitted all right okay thank you detective Al any additional questions for detective OA you have just a couple more questions judge okay discreet as discreet as possible about this but there are a couple more photographs than any detective or excuse me Lieutenant book

Okay uh well let me ask a couple of questions before I that uh Lieutenant you just read a series of text messages um I don’t want to talk about all of them obviously but let’s just talk about the text messages from July 5th um and there are multiple references to cold

Water and and the bath is that was that your understanding of those text messages that’s correct and uh that was again July 5th was literally the day before Timothy was discovered early the next morning to be deceased is that correct that’s correct um and the last message from Miss vand Arc indicated

That at around 11:30 or so she dragged him out of there and put them in the small room that’s correct again the and the small room from your understanding is what the closet in the basement next to his bed now these are very difficult photos I know you’ve had an opportunity to see

These before but for the record these are people’s 3 33 34 and 35 starting with people’s 33 you could identify that photograph that is the deceased Timothy Ferguson lying on the floor of the bottom level of the basement and does did that appear to be uh roughly the

Same condition in which you observed Timothy Ferguson when you were at the residence on July 6th of this year yes and uh he’s fully clothed in that picture is that correct that’s correct what’s what’s he actually wearing for the record he’s wearing a black sweatshirt and blue jeans um and again

That you had an occasion to observe Timothy roughly in that condition when you were present is that correct that’s correct people’s exhibit 34 this is a photograph of the deceased Timothy Ferguson uh lying on the on the floor with his uh sweatshirt pulled up exposing his chest area and equal

35 this is a photograph of the deceased Timothy Ferguson uh his back with his sweatshirt pulled up exposing his spine and shoulder blades and all three of these photos were taken while he was on the floor of the basement area of that home is that correct correct at the scene of the

Just take a moment and let the jury have an opportunity to R for for for let’s just have a couple of other quick clarification questions the and for the record the text messages that you have just read are the um the portion that you have just read is contained in this binder

People’s exhibit number 36 is that your understanding yes and this represented excerpts of text messages again that you and detective am read between the defendant and Paul Ferguson um from February to roughly the day that Timothy was found deceased is that correct that’s correct there’s a second binder

This is people’s exhibit number 37 much larger binder containing more uh Pages here this contains what is what is your understanding that this contains that that we have gone through further text messages between the the defendant and her son Paul Ferguson regarding Timothy and that is people’s exhibit number 37

37 for clarification sake and we’re not reading that entire portion that substantially larger but these are just text messages between Paul Ferguson and Shan Dand are regarding Timothy Ferguson is that correct that’s correct thank you I have no further questions all right thank you Mr Roberts uh Mr Johnson any cross examination thank

You afternoon hello um couple questions way back when you started um um your your testimony this morning uh you were shown a number of photographs and I have um exhibit number photograph number 15 here I approach your honor okay and you described that as a photograph of

The interior of the pantry is that correct correct and there weren’t there weren’t any locks on that particular door were there not that I observed and there’s food stuffs on that in the pantry as well correct yes for the record what what sorts of foods do you see

There cereals yep uh crackers soup cereal some salad dressing bread um maybe some cheex mix ramen noodles large variety of options thank you secondly and I just want to talk you about that alarm that you came back and it wasn’t there on the door you know you

Know the what I’m talking about on the small room door yes yes on the small room door there’s alarm and when you first came back was it for the first uh um when you came back for the first first uh search warrant or second it wasn’t there it was missing when we

Arrived for the second search warrant okay so first SEC first search Wen is there second one is not is that correct that’s correct okay and and in between those two times all the police officers left the home and there were just the residents of that home remaining is that

Correct uh after our execution of the first search warrant every all the police officers left the home okay and we know this because we’ve we’ live at this thing but let’s make sure we’re clear you’re in the home the officers are in the home correct yes the the area

In question the basement area is is secured by uh uh another police officer correct yes and while you’re still there a search warant is is it received correct you’re you’re given permission to search the home yes while we were there we obtained a search warrant so

There was no time in between the your initial arrival and the first search warrant that you when the police weren’t in that home correct okay so then after the first search warrant you Departed the home correct correct and then the second search warrant you came back that’s correct okay now and in between

The first and second one there were no police officers there that’s correct uh when were the cameras seized the cameras were the cameras the video cameras if they were I believe they were seized on the second search warant okay and let me make sure I’m correct when I say seized

I mean taken by by the police yeah pursuant to the search for and were were there any of the cameras uh from your recollection of the scene and the evidence were any of the C the video cameras removed and unavailable for that second search

War as far as you know as far as I know there there were cameras that remained I don’t can’t say if any were taken because I wouldn’t know if they were gone okay but you notice this one was gone the one in the in the in the uh the

Bedroom the the alarm was gone the alarm yes the alarm was gone okay you notice the alarm was gone correct yes but you didn’t notice if any of the other cameras were gone is that correct that’s correct okay and were there pictures taken before you left the first time and

And before you left the house the first time and then came back the second time were the photographs taken there are photographs taken on both search Wars yes okay so when when you compareed the two photographs where any of the video cameras missing from the first search

Warrant to the second one not that I’m aware of okay so the only one missing is the alarm as far as your as far as you know yes okay and we’re talking about an alarm correct an alarm uh door opens alarm goes off correct how would you

What type how would you turn that type of device an alarm just a door alarm door alarm entry alarm we’ll we’ll we’ll use door alarm CU I made okay so a door alarm was taken was was missing correct as far as you knowed that alarm that door alarm have indicate video

Capability not that I’m I have no idea okay you have no idea you didn’t see it in the photographs you have you don’t see a hole for a camera corre I didn’t suspect it of being able to take video okay and during the course between the first and second visits by the police

There were two adults in that house is that correct I don’t know who was in the home while we were not there okay all right there could have been even other people in there corre as far as I know yes I don’t have any further questions

Thank you thank you Mr Johnson and you redirect Lieutenant Mr Johnson was asking you about the photos of the pantry and it did not appear that there was alarm on the pantry is that correct that’s correct and there was food inside the pantry correct that’s correct I’m

Going to ask you to uh reread the section of oh you have the for page 5093 593 yes it’s from May 26 of 2022 okay all right then starting with that second uh text if you could read that portion for the jur again this is from the defendant to Paul Ferguson

Almost freaking caught him I want all food in the fridge freezer or pantry and those locked and then what’s Paul’s response to that it is he just pulled the pantry door lock and the response to that is what do you mean he just pulled it did he take it

Off PA’s response yes the part that attaches to the wall is dangling right now due to Sticky loss and finally her response okay get another one on it right away last I saw they were on the floor in bag in my room so at least in that text exchange M

Vaner Arc is referring and and Paul is referring to the fact that Timothy has ripped the alarms off of the pantry door correct that’s my understanding but her insistence was that all the food in the pantry the freezer and the fridge be locked away yes that was in April of

2022 that’s correct um Mr Johns was ALS also asking you about the alarm being removed from the door lock and and whether or not any cameras were seized you did seize a number of cameras from that residence is that correct that’s correct um did you attempt to obtain any

Footage from those cameras either yourself or other detectives associated with the case yes and with the exception of a memory card in one of those were you able to retrieve any of footage from those cameras no um can you explain to the jury why not uh many of those

Cameras did not have their own storage capabilities they were um they utilized a cloud service to view you could view it on your your phone through a a camera app and there were no way that we could recover any of those video files without access to the cloud services which we

Didn’t know but again none of the cameras I believe there might have been one camera that had some internal storage the rest of the cameras did not have any internal type of storage device on them that you could have pulled a memory card a flash drive or anything

Like that and viewed the footage is that correct that’s correct um and again those some of those cameras at least may have been left uh for Miss Vander Arc or anybody else that was inside the residence after the execution of the first sege one that’s correct any additional questions May B

On Lieutenant you you just read an excerpt from the from the email uh from my client to her some fa that text messages yes okay thank you text messages and those were in April correct correct April and and based on what I’m hearing from your testimon sounds like

My client is instructing Paul to put another lock on that door is that that door that’s my understanding of the messages yes when did the new lock go on I cannot say yeah what was there a lock on there when you got the police

Got there I did not observe a loot so we don’t know if a new lock was ever put on do we I do not know that thank you but you do know from the text message where Miss vard told all the extra locks were right yes in her

Bedroom yeah apparently she had extra locks available in a bag in the Floor of her bedroom thank you nothing Johnson nothing right I believe we do have some jury questions for this witness uh Mr Weaver can you retrieve those y we’re going to go over to the Y

As soon as we get up mirror all right detected hooks my the first question uh says cameras question mark where is the screen to see what happens on said cameras if you know um as far as I’m aware the cameras they didn’t have screens available to them it was like I

Said before they’re all um a lot of them were webcam that you could view live time from your your personal device via a tablet uh cell phone so it would be if you had access to the cloud services you could view the cameras okay uh second question how many

Zip ties are missing from the bag that’s a very good question which I wish I could provide you with an answer with I unfortunately never counted the zip ties in the bag okay third question how long does the ice maker take to make the ice I don’t know the answer to that

Question uh who had the keys to the shackles uh one of the photographs we showed that had keys on it there were handcuff keys on that key ring um so that did include some of the Handcuff keys I don’t know if there were any other Keys throughout the home but

Those are the ones I found okay uh there were two there were two additional questions one had already been asked and the additional one it was the deted by the court uh to be U to ask for um ask for speculation by this particular witness so Court will not ask

Those two Mr Roberts any followup questions to those questions um just briefly rert um I guess I’ll start with the key question you said that the keys that you discovered that we have a photograph of does contain a handcuff key is that correct correct and those were located inside the residence that’s

Correct were they located on any particular person or just in the residence when I photographed them I believe they were on top of the chess Freez so I I did not locate them on anybody when I photographed them they were just on the freezer now if you could turn on your

Exhibit to page 4227 we just briefly reread a section for the jury it might clarify some of the question about the zip ties okay if you start with I think you can start with the second text messages probably the the first one from the defendant so how has he been

Disobedient yeah and then if you just read through to the first to the break on this second he just won’t listen or does something I didn’t tell him he could he just tried claiming his zip cuffs were too tight when I couldn’t even tighten them to where there’s no room for his

Wris leave them as they are and I will check them when I get home and you can tell him that and if he lied about it or lied about that he gets himself in even more trouble and Paul okay and I already checked because I knew they were

Tightened if they were tightened it was his doing the defendant you know what we will start cuffing cutting off the ends once they are tight and so we can’t do that defendant he can’t do that Siri and Paul Ferguson okay and this tax exchange takes place

When on March the 4th in the evening so this is four months prior to Timothy’s that’s correct Mr Johnson question do uhen you mentioned that you found these a key ring with a handcuff key attached to it is that correct I didn’t find them I photographed them but

They were found yes okay I’m confused the I heard the these these devices described as as cuff leg cuffs and are they left leg cuffs or handcuffs do how would you describe I would refer to them as leg shackles a larger diameter designed to go around somebody’s ankles with a

Longer chain so that they can walk shuffling walk would a h so would a handcuff key that you found on the the key ring operate leg shos yes okay as far as I’m aware they all use the same type of handcuff key that all we use as the police officers uh the

Keys differentiated in other words like my house key is different from my neighbor’s house key or or will one key fit all one key one handcuff key would fit all they’re all the same that way officers can unlock other officers handcuffs they’re not specific to a certain pair of

Cuffs but you found them on not on but they were found on the uh a countertop and not on a person is that correct I when I photographed them I believe they were on the top of the chest freezer okay did you see those keys did you see the keys

And the the the uh the key ring was all seized as evidence they were not right thank you we F Mr may this witness be excused Mr Roberts oh standing stand I would not excuse okay all right thank you detec Mr Roberts can call your next witness the next witness is Paul Gabriel

He should be I believe Paul Ferguson I apologize uh Paul Ferguson um I believe he’s in the back I don’t if you want to take a break now uh this would be the last witness for the day will say that so we could take a break and then just

Go through Mr Ferguson’s testimony and be done we can we’ll take a real quick break let’s take about a five minute break um just to get uh him in position uh I don’t want to take a a longer break just because if we start now it’s going

To be two and a half or two it’s going to be quite a long time so I don’t want to do that so let’s just take a quick five minute break please rise for all right may be seated uh anything for the record before we recess Mr Roberts

Uh your honor just briefly um and for the record Mr Johnson’s aware of this Mr Ferguson obviously is charged I will go over at the beginning of his testimony with him the extent of any plea agreement with our office his attorney Mr Alvin Brady is present in the

Courtroom and certainly will give him an opportunity to consult with Mr Elden Brady I don’t know if Mr elen Brady’s had a chance to go talk to him now to see if he has any questions before he comes on the stand but okay I’m sure the sheriff’s deputies will allow that to

Take place if that needs to happen but that’s it okay um a record ofle Mr Joshua Elden Brady is in the presid in the courtroom Mr Elden Brady do you need to speak with your client prior to him testifying no I would like to check with

Brief I did speak with him yesterday so I’m not anticipating but certain want to check with right certainly so um after we recess we’ll have you step back talk to him Mr Johnson any any issues for the record prior to uh the Court’s recess no sir thank you all right we’re in recess

Thank you