Podcast: War on Motorist in India | Car & Bike Guru, Adil Jal Darukhanawala Breaks It Down

The escalating War on the Motorist is happening everywhere, even in India. Join us in this compelling episode as we delve deep into it with India’s esteemed veteran motoring journalist, Adil Jal Darukhanawala.

As cities like Delhi face unprecedented pollution levels, strict restrictions are being placed on vehicles, stirring a nationwide debate. We dissect the implications of these draconian measures on car and bike enthusiasts, scrutinise the effectiveness of electrification, and explore the century-long journey of motorsports in India through Adil’s insights.

From the joy of cars and bikes to the controversial urban policies impacting motorists, nothing is off the table.

Tune in to understand the real score on the ground and what the future holds for India’s motoring landscape.

Don’t miss Adil’s expert take and insider knowledge, coupled with a sneak peek into his latest work – ‘100 Years of Motorsports in India’, and a brief discussion on the BrownCarGuy’s novel ‘The ULEZ Files’.

Buckle up for an enlightening ride through the streets of Indian motoring history and current affairs!

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0:41 – Meet Adil Jal Darukhanawala: The Godfather of Indian Motoring Journalism
1:03 – The Challenges of Documenting Motor Racing History in India
2:02 – The First Indian to Race Abroad: A Tale from 1911
4:03 – Maharaja of Tikari: India’s Racing Legend
5:00 – Adil’s Adventure in the UAE’s 1,000 Mille Miglia Experience
6:11 – Driving a Classic Mercedes in the Middle East
7:22 – The Evolution of Road Networks and Touring in India
10:57 – Upgrades in Indian Road Travel: Bikes, Cars, and Amenities
13:01 – The Rise of Mid-Range Bikes: India’s Global Dominance
14:02 – Indian Cinema and Motorcycling: The Movie “Dhak Dhak”
15:04 – Addressing Pollution and Air Quality in Indian Cities
18:17 – The Misdirected Blame on Motorists for Pollution
20:42 – The Plight of the Private Motorist Amidst Conflicting Laws
25:29 – The Push Towards Electrification and Its Challenges
27:02 – India’s Automotive Growth and Global Position
30:04 – Global Shifts in Automotive Strategies: The Case of Ford and GM
33:19 – Global War on Motorists: A Worldwide Phenomenon
37:10 – The Importance of Sustainability in the Subcontinent
40:09 – Wrapping Up: The Need for a Holistic Approach to Pollution and Motoring
40:43 – The Growing Car Culture in India and Pakistan

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How are you doing mate oh my God it’s so great to see you again my goodness do good I’ve been uh what do you call reading all about your Misadventures I might say with certain people but Adventures of a very good kind with a lot more identify with it and UL files

Is really tricky undercover and overcover stop yeah yeah it is isn’t it well it’s it’s a it’s a thriller so it’s I mean it’s fantasy you know it’s fiction you know but I mean obviously it’s it’s partly to do with the all the work that I’ve been doing with with what’s going

On with UL here and for those people watching and listening that don’t know what that’s about I’m we’re talking about the ultra low emission Zone that was expanded last year in London at August to cover the entire capital city of the UK which made it the biggest low

Emission Zone in the world actually and we’re going to come on to that actually we’re going to talk a little bit about emissions and pollution um so for those of you that don’t know ad D kanala is the Godfather of Motoring journalism in India I think it’s pretty

Fair to say the um editor multiple newspap you you put me on a spot there with lots of enforement agenes trying to put a gun to my head dude I didn’t put you I didn’t put you on a spot I put you on the pedestal upon which you that that because a bigger

Target but but you know if there’s anybody that knows everything about Automotive in that part of the world you is the man for sure but first of all let’s get into I mean you I mean like we try we we’ve been trying to organize this for a while actually but you’ve

Been really really busy what have you been up to uh like I said uh one basic thing is it’s been a life with cars and bikes all throughout I cannot envisage anything else but I’ve been working on a book now for the last four and a half

Five years uh Century Of Motor Racing in India and it was supposed to be ready last year but uh there were a couple of things where like with most of us uh authors especially someone who on a topic which has never been touched in India Century Of Motor Racing in India

It’s such an anacronismo sport in India dating all the way back to 1904 so when you look at that thing and something or the other keeps on creeping out of the woodwork India being such a fast land and no one uh like the British or the Germans or

The Europeans so to speak who record everything for posterity there are no records per se in India so you need to go and feret that out of people institutions Etc and I lost my one my colleague of who did who laid out and designed all my last 15 books he died

Due to covid so it put the breaks on mind a little bit and now finally we have begun to make some sense of what we have got and everything the last bit of research happens in the next week with me going to Sri Lanka because the Sri

Lankans used to come to race in India from the ‘ 50s and they also added to the rich tapestry of the sport in our country so once that last bit is researched and I’ve already written over more than about half 60% of the book it’s there it’s got to be laid out now

So once I do this final thing then it’s all systems go we are looking at a in this quarter March April May that is where we’d like to what you call have the book out by that so this is this is book number what for you how

Many have you done I’ve done 15 this is my 16th book and and this was this was when we met wasn’t it about a year was it nearly a year ago that we met searching the same book when you talk about mot racing and India and its history and I think

That listeners will be will be surprised to find what you learned when you went to Brooklyn’s no I knew what was there I needed to find out all what happened when the Maharaja had come to raise at Brooklyn just tell people what just tell people that story quickly that’s

Extraordinary the thing is that everyone thinks Narin caran was the first Indian to race abroad well he did race he the first Indian in eort but the first Indian ever to race abroad was the Maharaj of tikari which is a small principality near what is present day

State of Bihar and uh he was an aid motorist so he went across he was befriended by a lot of these uh sort of glorified salesman drivers of that time who would what you call been on Sunday sell on Monday so to speak and uh in

That sort of this one guy uh um William sell who used to what do you call be the uh sales manager come agent or God knows what he happened to see him at one event in Europe and this guy said hop in the car and they went out and won the coup

The panes cup wow so and the Maharaja was at a very young age he was hooked onto that so he had his racing team at Brooklyn he he did a lot of things so was Brooklyn’s sorry what year was he at Brooklyn’s uh 1911 1911 I mean you know I mean it

Really you know I mean if people don’t know Brooklyn is is probably the world’s oldest Motor Racing facility or motor racing circuit I should say Yes um and and the fact that there was a team from India there in 1911 is just he had in his team he had

Two DD trick cars two gropery Rena the same Rena which fing won the first French groy with he had two of those he had two lion persos and he had the is of Man TT winning Indian Motorcycles he he had a team who raised motorcycles as

Well so this man was everything he was Bernie come Naran put together you know unbelievable what a legend and this is the thing I mean and you’re recording this stuff for posterity because ultimately you know as as I’ve learned you know in in my one meager humble

Little effort of writing this novel it’s a bit of a thankless task this authoring of books isn’t it but you should not wait for gratification from someone to tell you you should feel good about writing the book that is exactly what so then you don’t feel uh what do you call

Let down by the lack of if you feel good that You’ have done a job that’s I think that should be reward enough yeah yeah yeah but but also like I mean it’s an essential service isn’t it because I mean this is this is history that you’re recording yeah exactly exactly

Motp Universe the motorport universe for the Next Generation that are going to need to find out about the history of I mean you’ve done the groundwork I mean this is incredible that’s for Generations ahead you’ve done this work this is amazing great so tell me about what you know I

Saw you also been to my old stomping grounds in Dubai recently how was that oh uh I was there this even the 1,000 millia experience in the UAE happened last year for the first time and uh last year I mean 2022 and uh uh it was a good thing to

Suddenly see uh classic cars hitting the roads there in uh the Emirates and I had asked my brother to find out more about it one thing led to another and suddenly the organizer says please come over we’d like you to see this thing and also because in 2022 there were at least

About think six or seven Indian cars and Crews which went from our country there and one of them ended up winning a class as well but uh the harsh reality of the economic situation this year saw only two well heal Indians bring their cars but anyway I went there and I thought

I’d cover it so but the organizer also gave me a car they said drive a classic car cover the event in a classic car so it was massive and and uh I think that I drove a 1985 battle tank mercedesbenz 450 SE large V automatic air conditioned the

Best seats in the whole event for a driver it was awesome and it was just freshly restored so she was as crisp as a new car would have been in 1985 wow wow what a cool way to do that that must have been a lot of fun then oh it it was

It surely was because no one expected a mark of that size weight and whatnot to what you call keep Pace with the Ferrari tesar Rosa yeah yeah so that was good yeah yeah but with you at the wheel it’s a different story no but I was cognizant of the fact that

To return the car back in one piece so you can’t what do you call take Liberties there absolutely absolutely but you know when it comes to like touring and doing these drives and and and going dist and stuff this is something that you’re an old hand at but

You normally do it on bikes don’t you no I I My First Love is bikes and cars come a very close again there’s a cigarette uh paper gap between the two but that’s about it yeah but you but you’ve done a lot of touring on bikes all over all

Over all over India for example yes quite a lot quite a lot quite a lot have you seen things improve in terms of the the facilities that are available to do these sort of Tours and drives and and rides on bikes and stuff like that um I

Think there lot progress isn’t there in India yeah oh massive the one major thing which has happened is the fact that uh roads have developed massively so in case if you were there to see the India of say 10 years ago and you see the India of right now the road network

Is phenomenal is phenomenal and we just can’t uh what do you call fathom how much of a difference that that is number one number two we have good communication the cell phone the one time you want to use a cell phone for what it is a mobile phone that helps

Quite a lot in every and nook and cranny of the country so that’s a second thing third is the upgrade in the Machinery per se the bikes and the cars has also been matched by the upgrade in the fuel stations the rest HS that quality has made a even larger jump

What we used to see in the 40s 50s was what carried on till a long time but now you are right there you go to a great uh what do you call rest Hal in England anywhere at a fuel station with a uh Diner there and whatnot you see much

Better than that here in India now so quite a lot has improved quite a lot has so this is a good opportunity I would say for people if they wanted to do this because I mean you know when you talk about that part of the country you talk

About India Pakistan Kashmir all these places I mean they’re absolutely stunning absolutely beautiful absolutely haven’t been discovered yet so do you think now is a good opportunity to come and do these sort of things no it’s uh to be honest if you get to see one geographical area of

India which is ladak ladak gets close to about 500,000 foreign tourists who come only to ride bikes there and it’s been going on steadily increasing year on year I think the figure which I said would be very conservative could be more as well but I was in ladak about a couple of months

Ago we were driving there with my wife and we were going through the five of the highest motorable passes in the world and there I came to know that there are 55,000 motorcycles for higher in ladak so you 55,000 wow and they are all pre-booked all right oh wow okay so so

You need to plan your coming there provided the bikes have been what you call pre-booked and you know that you’ll get the bikes there what kind of bikes are we talking the Royal en Fields the baj eliminators lot of bikes now today the Javas uh today so many of the

There’s no two ways about it as far as mid-range bikes are concerned in the world India is the Undisputed leader both in terms of design engineering and volume the Japanese have abdicated the space because they just cannot what do you call match pricing and they cannot even match the development cost and on

Quality levels the Japanese are getting a real beating from the Indian bike makers and look at Royal Enfield for just as one example Royal Enfield dominates that mind space in the thing between 350 cc to 650 CC globally now so the about 800,000 bikes they make every year of that nature which is

Huge that’s amazing isn’t incredible industry I tell you what I don’t know if you’ve seen it but I saw I don’t watch I don’t get the chance to watch many Indian movies but I saw a movie the other night called duck duck which was about sorry not seen you should see it I

Think you’d really enjoy it and it was about these four women that basically it’s a road movie it’s a road four women that basically decide to jump on their bikes and then take a tour across India but it’s incredibly inspiring and and when you think about

The fact that you know um I think some women have just there’s somebody just fallen over over there but but when you think about the fact that you know they embark on this journey and it’s it’s talking about stereotypes it’s talking about the relationship with bikes it’s talking

About the ability to tour but one of the things I really liked in that movie was they couple of the women they really talked about their relationship with the actual bike and the term duck duck comes from heartbeat is related to sound that the bike makes as well which I was

Fantastic okay makes it I’ll just make a point of that I must watch this movie yeah no definitely you must do but we’re talking about um India and we’re talking about touring and the fact that you can go to all these beautiful places but one of the issues that have come out

Recently is of course the pollution level so um I’ve obviously done a bit of work here in London about pollution where I’ve been going around with a meter I did a couple of videos last year and um if people uh are aware normally you would measure the quality of air on

An aqi index and an aqi index is calibrated from zero to 500 so when I was doing my tests here in London where it was claimed that we had illegal levels of pollution however I never saw more than 12 on the aqi aqi index in

London 12 to 15 that was the maximum I ever saw the worst levels were actually in the underground that’s where I got the most pollution which which went up to about 100 and something quite a lot um but the safe area is about below 50 and you it’s

Actually safe you know above 50 is when it starts to get moderate but according to reports in India in Delhi they were as high as 480 485 something like that let me tell you one thing we in India are living way above the numbers you

Speak I think uh around about 80 to 100 is the mean aqi levels uh but I must tell you one more thing across over there we look at the pollution levels and only what you call want to attack the motorist yeah in India we suffer from a lot of pollution from dust construction

Work uh old style manufacturing plants across the board across the Spectrum and uh plus also the fact remains that the uh we have we have got one of the most stringent emission legislation in the world as far as the automotive world is scenario is concerned in India both from

A uh tailpipe perspective as also from the fact of noise pollution and whatnot so the industry has done everything and it matches everything the trouble is uh the implementation of uh whatever legislation suddenly points out across over there that the car the number of cars and

Bikes and trucks and buses Etc are the main culprit which is not which the uh IIT of kakur which is one of the Premier technical organization in the country had done a big survey and they said cars Automotive stuff contribut on just about 20 22% to the but then you are burdening

These guys and hammering us to pulp in the the mid thing so even if you what do you call Hammer us to Oblivion what are you going to do over the remaining 78 to 80% which is causing pollution you know so expl but explain first of all what is

What are the measures that they’ve introduced what are the the sort of draconian measures that they imposed upon motates what what exactly is happening there no so the most Draconian measures which happen happen in Delhi one of the most polluted cities in the nation uh and you

Must understand one thing that uh Delhi apart from Delhi is basically two cities old Delhi and New Delhi old Delhi has really remained old as far as what you used to see in the Mogul era of before that we there is a modicum of modernity but by and large New Delhi is completely

New designed as a capital wide roads good thoroughfares planning across over but Delhi is also surrounded by two three other tiny cities where a lot of industry is there and uh on one hand going what do you call down south uh towards Southwest of Delhi we have got

The Thar Desert so a lot of the desert winds blow in the sand to the capital and uh another thing which aggravates pollution up north from Delhi is the Punjab which is The Granary used to be the graner of the country there the winter months are bad because the

Farmers burn their stubble and the winds blow it down towards Delhi so in Delhi we have got a thing that diesel cars are banned which is wrong speaking in the sense today’s diesel cars are very very cleaner than whatever so they so they’re completely banned yeah on certain days they

Completely banned and what the what is the idos of this whole thing is the government uh own trucks and whatnot are diesel powered yeah they are not maintained the way they should be maintained so it’s the thing the private motorist suffers a lot and honestly speaking cars

Are not just uh what do you call thing for luxury and for play being a play thing but they are necessary for Commerce day-to-day work habits Etc this thing is still not what do you call making a dent on the mind of the planners and uh given the fact that we have a

Central uh Road uh law network but there are the state states have their own unique laws as well so sometimes they are at variance to each other and the question is trying to find out who to blame is an impossible task you should never even get there but in that thing the private

Motorist the average motorist is the most harried and pummeled soul ever in this country so I read reports about the fact that you know some cars were even confiscated like they actually went to people’s homes and just took the cars away is that so this was ridiculous uh

In the sense they said that uh 15-year-old cars are banned and uh a lot of people have got a lot of cars the one thing which is uh very worrying in India was we didn’t have this like you have mot which you need to get your cars done we never had such a

Thing ever before we had Fitness certificates every 5 years to do and all that but enforcing that was absolutely non-existent MH so but I’ve seen many who are diligent about it would maintain their cars 20 25 year old cars also speak and span in that sort of s so this

Indiscriminate picking up of cars and not everyone uh owns a bungalow so he can park his or her car inside or what so they have parked outside the houses so they became unfortunate victims of anyone grab and crush and what not so it was chaos in Delhi this was only Delhi Centric yeah

Not anywhere else but the question is Delhi is a unique case before we get into that with these cars I mean did we lose a lot of classic cars through that process as well thankfully classic car guys have got bungos right right so they kept their

Car so you can’t get in there even when you talk about 20 25y old cars that may have been well maintained we we lost those as well yes a lot of them had been lost but then a lot of Citizen push back happened with recourse to the law and

Whatnot and uh did anybody get their cars back a lot a lot of car guys got the cars back there’s no to about it a lot of guys but unfortunately some of them went to the crusher before Anything Could Happen which was sad you know and

This is the thing is that what people don’t understand cars are different to this is what you and I understand what a lot of people don’t understand cars are very different to any other object there’s a relationship there there’s a Sentimental try there there’s a history there you know there sometimes you know

People feel very strongly and very passionate somebody might keep a car but not actually use it but because it means something to them right so just to just ruthlessly take these cars away I mean that is that is that is that is equivalent to mental torture isn’t it of

Course it is of course it is just discussing it is mental torture seeing it happen is the final killer blow you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no I mean so so what happened after that then so did they change that so what happens is uh it is basically

A thing of common sense that you have to understand and they had this thing uh odd and even uh registration number things uh so certain days only odd numbered cars certain days only even numbered cars are allowed to what you call be driven on the roads what they

Finally understood is you did all that thing and suddenly you would say okay to and that also was not constant this is suddenly the a break in the weather and the pollution levels are not there the eqi has really come down they say everything happens okay everything is go

Why did it happen just the cars don’t allow it to happen and uh up go let the aqi index either exceed the limit or for get to normal so basically once these people realize that this is too complex a matter so and not to bracket uh motorist but you know what motorists the

Middle class the average class is what makes the country run yeah so you have to what do you call keep on clobbering them till anything in will but uh the thing is that now finally there are people who have begun to make representations of a scientific sort which the average public can understand

Comprehend and even the guys in Authority uh we have a very big push towards electric verification yeah I don’t know how and where we are going to get the juice to run electric across but be be that as it may we have very big push there but electrification cannot

Come at the cost cost of getting IC is out yeah there has got to be a happy coexistence between everything there are needs which IC can never fulfill as of the moment and there are practical issues which cannot rule out the IC guys at all so this sort of thought process

Is already uh what happens is we are a country uh where if you get out of the bed on the right side you make good decisions so you embolden by the good decision the next day you get out from the wrong side of the bed and you think

I succeeded yesterday I will succeed today as well and he makes blunders across so this is how it goes through you know yeah yeah but the but that’s the key thing is to be able to base these decisions on scientific fact on actual research actually helps but otherwise just blanket Banning and stuff

Like that is just causing unnecessary hardship particularly in a country which to be honest is like motoring you know has not been as as fundamental there as it has say in the western world I mean you know car was the car wasn’t accessible to everybody until like you

Say the rise of the middle classes and suddenly people started to move last 25 years is where we have seen the real growth of the industry and we are what number four in the world right now in terms of the market is the fourth largest market in the world and we might

Just about uh cross over into the third spot next year this year we this so this is my point that there’s a two prong thing here first of all you’ve you’ve allowed people the luxury and the freedom to own cars which which is great which is

Something that is not easy to now take away but secondly you’ve got a growing massive industry that puts India on a global stage in the automotive World anyway and is that something that you want to endanger by by doing this you know yes I I would like to say one of

The key things that cross over here is uh India is not a screwdriver company uh country it’s a manufacturing country which is very different to what it was so when you have 4 million cars built in the country it says something across over there so plus the fact is uh the

Government wants to what do you call really power on on electrification which I feel they have to realize that it we are not Europe we are not the US you’re are not we may want what you call the loable thought is reducing pollution my thinking across is I always mirror what

AKO Toyota said the culprit is not the IC engine or this propulsion that the culprit is carbon if he can cut the carbon footprint that is what our things here it’s not that here is Ban this so that this what happens is with electrification I think almost 70% of

India’s electricity is coming from cold fire plants so you are only what you call even if you want to you’re only Shifting the carbon footprint from the cities to the rural areas where the plants are yeah so it’s a dichotomy of sorts which the government has not been able to Grapple

With and uh key thing is that every day something new technology oh we are going to have these sort of batteries yesterday you were talking about some batteries as of long lead indry guys need time to execute from concept to execution to roll out is at

Least 18 24 months you can’t be what you call having this whims and fancies of the politician saying we do this we do that and that has caused a lot of M do you think that like a little bit like it is in the west I feel do you

Think it’s a case of governments that don’t really understand the issues but it’s easy to jump on the bandwagon and it’s great for sound bites talk about you know all this sort of stuff very no no that that’s all politicians have perfected the art of grand standing

And uh I think they are the best actors in the world what you see what you see on screen these guys do it in real life it impacts quite a lot but having said that you just think about it even in I just read uh D yesterday on

Automotive news that Ford has stop making electric cars and they said we are not going to Pro proceed with electrification and the F-150 electric lightning yes that plus also GM is also thinking very so there is you know Adel I got to say to you I’m actually the GM thing is

The one that surprised me the most because as you and I both know for the last I think a decade GM has been hounding on about electrification electrification it’s been their mantra and for them to suddenly pull back on it I was really surprised when I read that

But but you know what this is this is a typical Yankee way they also suddenly said okay we’ll if it’s not broken we’ll fix it if it’s not broken we’ll fix it and uh if you see the American Auto industry what it was at one time and

What it is right now there’s not being that they were they were only looking at sales volumes and what was the balance sheet which had to look good Beyond any other compunctions with uh but we also have seeing situations my daughter is in the US and she tells me that she has a

Mazda she just bought a Mazda and she says that it’s good that I bought this I didn’t fall to the lure of the electri because we get CAU get caught on the expressways and there is uh snow storm and whatnot she said there have been basic health issues with the electric cars running

Out of heating and uh also look at the geopolitical aspect of things in Europe with the Russia Ukraine crisis gas has been what do you call slowly the Taps have been turned so all the Europeans on Main on the European continent they had based everything on shutting down Coal

Fired plants and nulear plants from cheap for cheap Russian gas now suddenly they find themselves in a bind so the question is you got to know what you are doing keeping so many things in now that is a different plane the pollution levels are on on a different issue all

Together yeah no absolutely no I agree with you I think particularly the case with electric it really caught people out here because just I mean I would say just 15 months ago 18 months ago you would say that definitely running an electric car was cheaper than a petrol

Car and now all of a sudden it’s about the same price so you go unless you charge at home if you charge at home that’s different but like most people don’t have home charges but if you charge publicly it can actually be more expensive but bringing it back to so the

Thing is about here like we’ve been going on about ules and about the war on motor because we’ve got ltns and 20 miles per hour limits and I must just interrupt here for a minute I must interrupt politicians the world over are the most untrustworthy guys a

Yeah but this but this is the thing the world over you you’ve just hit the nail in the head because one of the things that I’ve been saying to people here is that the the war on the MC as we’re now calling it and as I’ve called it in my

Novel as well is not just it’s not just London this is a global phenomenon this is happening everywhere isn’t it these guys learn from successful poers of the and everyone wants to go One Step better than anyone else yeah yeah yeah and and I think is it’s really kind of

Depressing because if you look at about if you think about the fact that you know you take a country like India where people have sort of I would say you know like as you said in the last 25 years more and more people have switch from

Two wheels to four- wheels and a lot of people have learned or adapted to the joy of Motoring and the joy of owning a car and then to suddenly encounter this situation where globally there is this alleged or perceived war on the motores which you know I think is very real it’s

It’s it’s really it’s kind of depressing really isn’t it it is it it is but again it is stupidity as as well what I say any any San motorist will care to see reason but right now there is no reason being applied and this they are telling the authorities that can you be

Reasonable and look at pollution in a holistic Manner and not just vehicular man pollution because that is what is impacting lives you know what when I was in Dubai we had the cop 28 Summit going on at the same time time during the milia thing over there and uh the dinner

Which we had uh uh on the eve of the start there someone made a telling comment he says sustainability is one of the key things at cop 28 and whatnot and yes he says we have sustainability here because we’ve got 90y old cars running the distance so now for a 90y old car

Car to run 1,000 miles 1600 kmet it has got to be good it has got to what call be have been made in a manner which transcends everything time can throw at it so sustainability across in a manner if the cars are maintained well done well you need to give them an

Opportunity to what you call do what they were meant for this is the key thing which I feel many people and one one more thing uh which was there at the millillion there were three cars in the three different classes one was a 1937 Bugatti t57 stelvio coup uh there was

One Ferrari Tesla Rosa and there was uh the Mercedes pman of the gargage group 600 pman wow these three cars were running on synthetic petrol made by a company known as P1 fuels so the new a synthetic fuels are also something which you need to factor in because they

Cleaner they are manufactured cleaner as well and they helped the give the IC engine a newer lease of life so they were three so both these things were addressed in this event no you’re absolutely right I mean over here as you may know I’m involved with the British

Motor Show and the British MOT show their entire fleet is run on coriton fuels which is a synthetic fuel which is a um e fuels and and this is the other thing is like you have all of these opportunities there’s carbon extraction that’s available right now there’s lots

Of things that we need to be exploring rather than just blanket dismissing these cars a key point that you made there about sustainability and I think this is particularly important for that part of the world for India and Pakistan where the extraordinary thing like for example over here you get a car that’s

Say 15 years old or something and there’s a say the head gasket or blown or something like that the cost of parts and the cost of Labor and the cost of fixing that car here is so prohibitive sometimes that that car fortunately gets written off however in those countries

No matter what they keep cars going you know they’ll keep the cars going they’ll figure out a way to make them run and it’s just the best use of the automobile isn’t it because you just life for as long as possible absolutely you’re going to what you deprive a lot of people the

Means to earn a livelihood yes that also in the subcontinent here we are not the standard of living is is definitely inre but it’s no patch on what it is there in Europe or the us or wherever so we need to what you call see to it and with 1.4 billion people we

Can’t have even a say 500,000 people run out of jobs it would be catastrophic you know so whatever thing so you have to see it holistically I always say we are myopic and the motorist is a willing lamb to the slaughter that’s how it is there you go

I think I think that’s a really that’s a really good way of rending it I think that’s a good way of rending this that we fighting we are fighting back there’s a push back there’s no two ways about it yeah it’s that there has to be there absolutely

Has to be you know because ultimately we can’t let go of what now 130e Legacy of the the motorc car that you know that we are indepted to in many ways I was just going through the research for my Motorsport book and we found some of the

Greatest names in the motoring world at the cusp of the Advent of the motor car in the 1890s there was this guy in England who supposed to be the uh had the patent on all Frederick Sims so he you can he was involved in the setup of the dler motocar company in

England along with gotle dler and that and that which happened later on went on to be Jaguar Land Rover R you know Frederick Sims used to write in Indian Publications in the late 1890s advocating the car so when you look at that sort of a thing that yes we there

Is a tremendous amount of Motoring history even from that far back in a land like India where everyone used to think that we only travel on uh elephants and horses and bullet cards no we happily coexist with them yeah yeah it’s absolutely extraordinary oh my goodness we could talk about this

Forever so I’m sure we’ll prob we’ll probably pick this up again in a future session but I think that that having discussed about the fact that the war on the MC is happening all over the world looking at what’s happening in India and I think that you’ve made some very valid

Points there about what the reality is in terms of the pollution and how we need to look at the whole solution rather than just Target motorist individually which is increasingly unfair and happening all over the world but um I think that it’s it’s been very eye opening it’s been very enlightening

Thank you so much for taking the time today of your incredibly hectic schedule as you now I love to what do you call share and headbang with guys like you because this is what is the stimulating nature of our passion you know yeah yeah you need to what you call Stoke it

Always I think that’s that’s key that’s really important and I think it’s very it’s great to see particularly in places like India and Pakistan where we are seeing a new generation of car enthusiasts that actually coming on quite strong abely the car events and the car culture it’s really blossoming

There isn’t it true true that’s awesome man cool when are you next in the UK ah maybe later in the year okay cool well well I hope to see you then when I start figuring out my next book oh my God there’s no stopping you there is no stopping you and that’s

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