Every new building now has jogs, pushes and pulls, and colors to try and give it some variety… but maybe we need to take a page from Germany’s Design Handbook and learn what they do with clean, well-proportioned simple boxes. What do you think? Buy a DNA kit here: https://bit.ly/TypeAshton Use the coupon code ASHTON for free shipping.
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🔎 Video Highlights:
00:00 Introduction
02:08 Size Matters
07:10 Thank you!
08:25 Dumb Boxes have lower operating costs
10:55 Dumb boxes are the least carbon intensive
16:25 Dumb Boxes are more resilient
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🔗 Links:
In praise of dumb boxes by Mike Eliason : https://15kwhm2a.medium.com/in-praise-of-dumb-boxes-3f3aa12c882c
In Praise of the Dumb Box by Lloyd Alter : https://www.treehugger.com/praise-dumb-box-4853131
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The "don't build big dumb boxes" has 3 components:
A "big box" is fine as long as it's not "dumb" i.e. featureless. This seems to be the North American go-to solution; just add nooks and jut-outs galore and set the top 2 floors back, oh and also use 4 different facade materials and styles for different parts of the same building.
A "big dumb" building would
be(actually look) fine as long as it's not a box. Take that library for example. It's big and featureless, but doesn't just look like "more of the same" because it's not a box.A "dumb box" is fine, as long as it's not big. If you have only 1 or 2 featureless apartment building along the face of a city block (or 3 identical "tower in the park" style buildings), their size and uniformity is overwhelming. But if you have 5 or 10 smaller dumb boxes along the side of a block that are all different (even just painted differently) you avoid the problems. Interest comes from variation; and if you have a whole city then there's no law that says that that variation has to be within a single building.
If you have a "small" building which is also not a box (think a single-family house with slanted roof), then you generally don't need to make sure that it's not dumb. Unless you make it stand on it's own with exaggerated setbacks and/or in a sea of equally sized buildings, which is how McMansions are forced to be so ridiculously over-detailed.
And the 4th bonus component is the plural in "boxes". If your city has a single big dumb box, it may be fine, as long as there's enough variation in the other parts of the built environment.
At 6:31 where there is a diagram of a building with 5 floors above ground: would that be built without an elevator? Obviously cheaper to construct with less maintenance and lower energy use but a lot of steps to walk up which I'm not sure would still be acceptable to modern buyers/renters.
Why does the library glazing need to be replaced in 30 years?
What is the hilltop town at 18:17?
They might be cheap and easy to build, but they are so ugly. Local communities in Germany often dictate the style of buildings and even the colour and the angle of the roofs for aesthetic reasons, but at the same time they allow those ugly boxes. Why not at least paint them in fancy colours? That can't be much more expensive than white. We are not in Dubai, where people build white buildings for cooling reasons. Most of the year it is so cold in Germany that actually a black building might be optimal, because the sun would heat it.
So many good points in this video!
I have conflicting emotions on this topic. As an American engineer, I appreciate efficient, cost effective designs. However, as a tourist in Europe, I appreciate the art of building. Many cities are essentially outdoor art galleries!
Yes, there is a price to pay for beauty, whether it's a building or an article of clothing, furniture, etc. But how much is too much? I agree that glass boxes are the worst, both aesthetically and efficiency.
Perhaps a happy median is a box shape, but with multilateral facade with artfully
designed windows and a few other embellishments. And public nuildings can afford a rew more embellishments as the cost is spread throughout the population.
Part of the quality of life in Europe is that one is surrounded by beauty, unlike the USA.
In Germany in houses which have more than six floors (including ground floor) an elevator is mandatory. This is why most buildings are not higher.
To your last question: what would I suggest to increase both quality of life and climate saving? I would suggest a big choice of shops for everyday necessities within walking distance. I live in an absolutely boring neighbourhood, but I can reach about 100 shops on foot within ten minutes. That is quality of life. A neighbourhood without shops is a dead neighbourhood and CO2 production by use of cars is inevitable.
You aren't even allowed to build mid-rise buildings like those in most places in the US. Zoning laws in most places just don't allow for it.
Dumb boxes in themselves aren’t the issue. For me it’s the ugly facade and also the gaps between them, which is just useless, ecologically and economically dead waste of land. Most dumb boxes in the Güterbahnhof area are already ugly when new and they will look even uglier when 30-40 years old… I don’t get it because a nice facade, e.g. in the style of Gründerzeit, doesn’t even cost 1% of the total budget of new construction, it’s not a question of money. If it was super expensive to build nice houses, we wouldn’t have such nice quarters from centuries ago all over Europe because back then people were much poorer than we are today. But they cared a lot about traditions and nobody wanted to live in the ugliest building of the street.
A lot of large suburban single family houses have a huge volume in useless attics, creating what I call “unnecessary complications” that make them energy hogs
Ich habe den bau und abriss der alten Unibibliothek miterlebt und die neue passt nun auch nicht … irgendwie liegt da ein fluch drauf.
I call them Lego buildings because they look like blocks of various sizes that are just put together. I don't like them aesthetically. I think they're bland and uninspiring. That said, I look at older buildings and see a similar cookie-cutterness, just from a different era. They're also far more spacious because volume is maximized in a box. I live in LA for context. Historic architecture will differ around the world. I do think – like you pointed out – that they must be cheap and easy to design/build and should theoretically save renters money.
Dumb boxes are actually the smart boxes.
Learning from history is no bad thing. People where as smart then as they are now. The cost effect then was maybe more important as it is now. Heating was a serious problem until 100 years ago. If you look in old city centers "dumb boxes" can be made really attractive by only adding some architectural show elements to the facade.
Auch ich bin davon überzeugt, dass diese "Kästen" eine sehr gute energetische und bezahlbare ökologische Lösung darstellen. Eine Stadtlandschaft mit diesen 4-5 geschossen Boxen wäre aber in großen Ansammlungen ziemlich langweilig. Aus diesem Grund und aus stadtplanerischer Sicht wäre es meines Erachtens sinnvoll, in einem Quartier sogenannte Leuchtturmprojekte zu errichten, und zum Beispiel bei öffentlichen Gebäuden, aber auch in privater Trägerschaft entstehende Gebäude, in anderen, (experimentellen) alternativen Bauweisen zuzulassen, die ebenso ökologisch sind wie die Kastenbauweise, sich aber von den Einheitskästen durch außergewöhnliche Optik unterscheiden.
I def see the pros, my only problem is that housing prices are exploding while buildings are seemingly increasingly ugly and made of cheaper material. For public and affordable housing solutions, fine cut costs, but there is no reason that an apartment that costs $1 million+ should be devoid of beauty and character. The rent is too damn high. If savings were passed down to the end consumer fine, but landlords charge as much as they possibly can in any given market. I think supply & demand is governing housing cots much more than the cost of materials to build each additional unit. Until we change the economics of housing, where the inelastic demand will cause a 1 bedroom apartment in a small town to be $2k a month no matter what, then at the very least we can demand quality materials that are built to achieve not only a functional, but beautiful aesthetic
Ok, but can I we just reboot our brains for a second and ask us why a blind person needs access to a libary.
Flat roofs? Definitely not regarded as a good thing on single homes in UK (been tried in new towns, had to have pitched roofs added later, at least here in North-east England). Most of UK has long periods of the year when moisture can accumulate on a flat roof and gradually wear out the materials and accumulate vegetation. Don't know if there is a difference in cost and maintenance if it's a building with, say, 20 dwellings in it?
Are these boxes really that dumb? There are recessed windows, using different materials at the ground floor and the upper floors, and balconies. A lot to break the monotony of a dumb box. I have seen a lot worse.
I even appreciated that one of the building's balconies actually looked like it was made by the same architect who designed the rest of the building (as opposed to a generic balcony that could be "glued" on to any building).
we live in a slightly smaler dump box and i like it . 2 Storys, 4 appartments and one office on the main level. the building is a perfet square. It would most likly be taler if it wasnt so old (1948)
German building standards are not so good. In comparison to standards from ex Yugoslavia for same time period we had: higher ceiling for at least 20 cm, lights on terrace, rolls on all windows, radiators even in toalet, storage room next to kitchen for food, drainage whole in floor of bathroom, guests toalet is not extra luxurious like in Germany but mandatory by standards for 2+ bedrooms flats, dining room is must for 2+ bedroom flat, livingroomis not counted as a room so 3 room flat in DE is for us 2 room flat., place for washing machine in bathroom… I make fun with Germans (only to those that annoy me) that they are bigger communists than we were ever because on our socialistic buildings we had our own private washmachine and they are sharing one machine in 30 flats building. Idea of puting my clothes in machine after neighbor has washed his underwear is disgusting
Acronym K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stupid😊🏢
Yeah, your're right, but they are just so ugly … I cannot believe there isn't something possible that is very efficient and beautiful on at least some level. There has been for thousands of years, until, say, the 1950s.
what you explained is commie blocks from eastern Europe…but a bit modern. And definitely the best place to grow up, bunch of kids to play with, stores and other businesses close by.