

Hello, I am looking to buy a bike for long rides. I am still a beginner and was wondering if someone could help me choose between these.
Orbea orca m20 2017:
good condition. some original parts have been changed to customise:
Mavik Ksyrium sl wheelset
3T Doric team seat post, arx pro head stock and bars Fsa carbon headstock post
Dura-ace brakes(not disc type)
Michelin lithion3 tyres
Dura-ace derailer
Rotor noq crank sprocket 50 aero(34) 110
Rotor 3d+ pedal crank set
Ultegra pedals
Prolog seat (has some wear)
Liv avail advanced 2 2017:
Like new condition. disc brakes and additional brake levers on bars. Specs otherwise as per original
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