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00:00:00 הקדמה וילדות בבית חילוני-מפא”יניקי
00:11:47 רצח רבין: הזיכרון המכונן מכיתה ב’
00:16:20 מהצופים למכינה: ההחלטה ששינתה את המסלול
00:24:46 השירות הצבאי: החלום על טיס והמציאות בשריון
00:33:07 המפנה הפוליטי: איך שיחה עם פלסטינית הפכה אותי לימני
00:39:46 משבר הנהנתנות: הריקנות שהובילה לחיפוש משמעות
00:43:55 החזרה בתשובה: “בשבילה אמרתי ‘אני מאמין'”
00:54:05 לימודי משפטים, נישואים ראשונים וגירושין
01:05:08 החיפוש אחר זוגיות וההיכרות עם אשתי רותי
01:15:12 הקמת הפודקאסט “על המשמעות” ותחזית למלחמה

#פודקאסט #על_המשמעות

today but I don’t know how many know your past
so let’s go really really back to childhood to your parents’ house where you grew up tell us a little about the beginning
of your value in the world oh the beginning of my good way so first of all let’s start
in the framework of a grandson Firstborn, of course, also firstborn, parents Zeev Erit A, father Zeev, an accountant, a man who
really likes to help people, very honest, some may say that he lacks tact, interesting, ah, and you know that
what he says is true, what he says is real , and there is honesty in it,
this is ultra-honest, I mean, you know that he will tell the truth in almost any situation or in any
situation, or it’s as if he doesn’t have this muscle of the beauty of the politics of the simply saying whatever
it is and ends up it comes along with a lack of tact, I think it comes as a joke, me too
I will try to be an honest and true person. I don’t know why you didn’t come to me with a
noticeable lack of tact or something like that because I know that until now I haven’t fallen for my tongue many times and I haven’t
caught a
lot of fire despite the spread, so this proves
that I have tact
. Free trades with an organizational consultant The name Dortel comes from a combination of father Dornstein’s last name
and mother’s last name we were born so I’m half Moroccan half Hungarian the Hungarian side
to your question is blacker than the Moroccan side it’s such a slob with blue eyes I didn’t win it’s
recessive but the thing with dad it came to light once he picked me up from a friend’s house in
second grade and he tells them a say the house is black a lot right many times you see A beautiful house or something
like that, then they say, wait, it’s all yours, then he asks them, say, the house is sold,
they tell him no, then he continues, he says, oh, you chose this red carpet , he said
yes, why not, because not everyone there had such a red carpet
the last time I was at their place, and the next one collected it,
it’s as if he’s saying, he says, oh, not for nothing, because
a , I just thought, we’re doing business
. The most is the most childish figures of a human being, a head, two legs,
just like in kindergarten. My writing is not very beautiful. This is what God gave me. I come back from kindergarten and I feel
that my drawings are nothing, but my mother comes from
a home where
it was very important for her to come and give the reinforcement
. The same thing and every day I come back I’m not so confident in my drawings I
see there are children who do better Egypt and I come back every day mom wow wow how beautiful how did you choose
the colors why did you put sun why trees why is this why is it good and I’m not myself I’m not the best young man
in the kindergarten nor the prettiest boy maybe I’m the cutest I don’t know well one day I decide to do
an experiment I draw really crap I don’t invest anything I say oh let’s pick an orange there’s an orange
this and I come back compliments and I come to dad crap Wait, there’s a part here,
as if Dad will just tell you the truth, he doesn’t have an ideology, and he just says
bullshit, no bullshit. There were times when I drew tours and he told me okay, but you can’t get a 100% compliment from
him, and I really like it. I mean, to this day, listeners send me all kinds of
things. Did you do this ? Did you do that?
Why didn’t you ask this question ? Mine
is very big, we’ll call it ideology or feelings , compensation for what she feels at home
A. I chose the side of the more of the truth and the cold,
let’s say about
the effort, did you make an effort, did
you think
? It’s very clear to me and it’s the truth that says
that when you don’t let children make an effort to get hurt and fall, oh try for independence that comes along with
broken tools at home, then they have no protection, they have no self-confidence , they’re
weak, it’s a very, very difficult effort , because we all really don’t want
the children to get injured, for the children
to experience, to develop post-traumas, to have all this Hoggers of the
last Syrians. Here she is close, you can’t cut a salad
by yourself, not with a sharp Vitorinox knife, just with a knife like an eating knife, because you might get injured, and maybe
that, and maybe you’ll be disappointed in yourself and you’ll have low self-confidence ,
and I
have other things
. I also don’t want Abraham to break
things. In the long term, at a level that has already become an epidemic, there are two books on the subject. I
will just
say their names and I will let
you ask
the next
question . Therapy can help and therapy
can be harmful, good interesting, you’ve poisoned me, let’s continue, so I understand that you grew up in a house in
Phoenix, oh, where are you, where did you go to high school, where did you go to high school, before high school, I remember
like , because I’m the oldest grandchild, so I have many,
many grandchildren, firstborn and firstborn son,
how many brothers are you? The firstborn
oh oh of course he is the youngest and not of course in the United States ok no no the truth quite of course nothing
in the United States there are almost no secular families where none of the family members are cousins ​​who left
the country this is something we don’t talk about we don’t deal with it it’s obvious it’s like it’s obvious that someone has left what
as if in the public of religious tsilat there are almost no such things it’s really one in a few dozen families
there is someone who and the secular public has a plan b so of course he’s
in the United States ok you said something before high school yes before high school so I’m a stranger I’m very, very
connected For the adults a Friday dinner so it’s me and all the little cousins ​​because families
are secular so all the extended cousins ​​get together because it’s not that big of a family either
so we get together every Shabbat there’s a look at the television and you see it during
the meal and conversations of adults and my grandfather Avraham after whom I named your eldest son b Let’s talk about
your children so he was really a conversationalist a He knew how to hold a table
he knew how to hold a conversation ask very precise questions Avraham
was born that the best I can know is also a part From this it is really looking from the bottom up
and that but he was also a mythological teacher in Pika in Petah Tikva
to this day if you say his name to people around the ages of 60 70 80
they say acquaintance let’s say there are people in the relevant
age range I know how to say probably Tikva
the name and they
tell me what it is. And there are no uncles my age or close to me because as if
the family is small, so the uncles are really adults. The uncle who is closest to me in age is already
like he was 20 years old when I was born and I am with them all the time. I listen. I
keep the managers in conversation. I don’t know how much I express myself as a child or how much it is, but one thing
that has always been. I think something that is very special in me is general knowledge. I mean I take the
cultural encyclopedia in class, say Gad
. Nerd boy, not really I went full of blows full of full of blows as if it was such
a scene in the first grade I was punished for taking some irrigation hose
and whipping another boy in the first grade who beat a friend Mine is beaten like he was on my friend really
like that for me you know grade 1 ok so let’s go back let’s go back to general knowledge I whipped
him no but that’s also part of the character I mean I am a human being who is aware of the physical dimension between
people I mean we talk like that and it ‘s all intellectual no but there’s also a body here there’s also
a we’ll call it security I know there’s a door I’m interested in this thing like I know
where a threat can come from in a restaurant I’ll sit facing the entrance of the hotel I’ll sleep next to The door is not
on the other side I mean I am very aware of the environment I am very aware of the environment and the possibility
of violence within a reformed society which is such a waste I believe foam on the surface of the water and the water in the end it
can be violence there are health problems there are accidents I mean the physical dimension is very present in
my life let’s go back to general knowledge let’s go back happened I am a reader I am not the grandfather there is a grandfather who is an
amazing conversationalist and I really enjoy his company he is a great teacher he teaches me to read a lot of things and there is
the world of reading to that until the sixth grade we will say I read the entire encyclopedia of culture and then I was
the most annoying student in the class because every question that is pointless everyone says you know what a cell is, you know, you know
what a cell is, yes, it sat inside the animals, there are cells inside
the plants , what is a stray syllable, and then
she tells me now, maybe at best, some sort of
arrangement happened, and sometimes I just read this entry yesterday, so it ‘s crazy. People
are fooling around, but I have the attitude of it also seems to me that you knew better than your teachers. I don’t know if
in the
second grade and things like that, yes, an event that I really remember
from a class from the young ages and it is a defining
event .
2nd grade 2nd grade You were there when the rabbi was murdered yes and I have a feeling from my mother’s face
that she is going to tell me grandpa Avraham or grandpa Emmanuel something happened tonight I don’t know that’s the feeling
and that’s really how it was I mean really a rabbi was murdered for a house of Phenicia they murdered our
head of the right-wing government in general now it’s not an anachronism
it’s something I really felt at that moment and I really remember that we arrived at school that Sunday
and we all looked at a certain student who we knew was not from a house of Phenicia And
everyone knew and everyone knew and we also received the message from the administration from the teachers I think it was the right wing that killed
many people it wasn’t Gal Amir it was from others collectively and they also asked us what
could we have done better to not resolve a dispute with violence and that’s when we said wait a minute but
no we resolved a dispute with violence this is the right wing as if that’s what we said to ourselves in our hearts and that’s what
was also probably in a
class in the circle what did you feel towards that child what feelings were there you foreign children alienation is
murder He killed Rabin, it’s as if the child is a second, and now I put on a cap before
, let’s say, we’ll get to the cap, say 14 years, I was then I murdered Rabin, I’m a kid from Finigi, well, I
was almost at the rally if we weren’t on some kind of trip to the north on Saturday, of course,
okay, I’m sure I didn’t kill Terbi, I was in the second grade, and I was in the second grade, and I put
others who murdered many now I’ll get to you in the end, I put a cap and I say wait
, but why am I guilty now, as if I feel Guilty of Rabin’s murder because I’m still with the head
that blames the right. Okay, this is definitely a defining event. I want
to move forward. Tikhon High School. The truth. Let’s say that your studies were important. Where you studied. No, I’m
saying that
your studies were important somewhere for your family and for me. But I went with the flow. I mean, we went
to the school closest to home and to the only high school closest to home in the area
. The state stream is
the children of the hands of the Ministry of Education because they simply go
to a
specific school .
For a robotics class or a physics class or a nothing class just the same
ok but it’s still math physics what did you major in math and electronics that’s it but
when I had a little you always excelled excelled not always like that the 13 missing points
my grade is 87 87 this grade is also the year I gave birth to a child of 87 really not but in another section until I dropped from five
units to four elective units and then you got 100 and then I got straight From the beginning to the end,
and as if I said wait, it’s not, I probably don’t belong here, I’m 87
years old, that’s when I graduated, I suddenly had a good jump, but I always didn’t prepare anything, I never
read any lessons, I haven’t read since he wrote one book, it’s not even a booklet, I only read the Haaretz newspaper
, which was at home, I understand it was, it was at home, there was a period of maybe Maariv, but
during high school, the Haaretz newspaper was present at home, we’re talking about the years 2003, 2002, 2005.
Magen until the disengagement and indoctrination of the country has done its amazing
as if you are sighing about Amos Amos shocker movement Noa you saw yes very watchful a poisoned this is
a guide guide yes very poisoned very like like the terrain you again physically right
we said like going for a walk bag on the back and a certain beautiful 12 and that’s it but here
suddenly there is a really big change because as if from the track that says
high school division everything is the most normal and then the dream from class I don’t know and
a pilot so I say wait it was what This lecture is a funny story. It was a lecture in the twelfth grade.
They said this is a lecture for a disabled person. A disabled person will know Segev and he would be disabled without him. He is disabled
without a hand. He doesn’t have an arm right from the arm. And yet he pops a nut. I mean, something is a
crazy story. We arrived and
then suddenly there was a commotion in the auditorium. This is not a mandatory lecture
. For me, life is from your mother’s side, don’t hurt him, no, no, even
father has sensitivity, no, father has care for people, and he helps and volunteers, and okay,
really, like a sense of giving that is amazing, father, mother, too, but like, father, you expect from the correct one, like
it’s mine, it’s yours, hello, the degree of sodom with mother, there is no imagination of the degree of sodom. Now let’s
go back to the stage. The last time
I hear him will be known by Segbo from the foundations of the short-term exams and he says why no one is standing
with an excellent sign the government ministry and such why the youth don’t take responsibility why the youth see
all the wrongs and do nothing and I say to myself really there are a lot of bad things in the country and I don’t
do anything I’m in the scouts I’m as if in my little part God is fixing the world or doing
good things but why don’t I do more and then he says listen who this is even a tiny
bit interested in him there is a Sabbath in Kfar Adumim settlement it’s like As far as I’m concerned, that’s okay, usually
the salt, so it’s like it’s a settlement, not a settlement, I’m a settlement, light, light, one Sabbath
to visit, just to see, as if they always taught me to try, Grandma Nellie, Avraham’s wife, always said
only to taum, and if he doesn’t give me a contradiction, it’s like a Moroccan, so I say, what do I care to try to
go one Shabbat at the people ‘s expense, boys and girls,
what could be wrong ? There are good
people here, what do I care about taking a quality year for myself
to learn to develop, come back to read, I remembered that I used to love to read, come on, let’s go,
and I was on this Shabbat, and I was later, I was on Shabbat while there was a seminary, and I said to myself, come on, I’m going, and that’s something that really
changed my path in life, because then what kind of seminary you were, in the end, there’s no pretort,
because voila , the first time I met a religious person, as if face to face, and I also had the
disconnection in the middle , how the parents accepted it, by the way
, it’s good But I’m the secular one, there’s no p, no, 70%, 80% are secular, and the whole gate who were once religious are
now secular, because there are, that is, everyone who is upset about their religious identity more or less goes
to a mixed school
or there they take off their kippah, or within five years, but in terms of data, I think
that I don’t know, five or six of my cohort
remained religious , maybe maybe less . ideals that suddenly seem
We talked about Zionism as something that is not obvious again also in the sense of doubting Zionism
also in the sense of what will ensure our existence all kinds of
big questions and I never dealt with these questions I never read a newspaper
and suddenly there I started reading and now my first book I read the truth is up here it’s
a little high it’s a 2000 page biography of Hitler in writing a small writer whole works a
my biography Anker there is highly recommended now to take on a project of reading around I don’t know 10
months and this is the first book I read as if in my life since the 6th grade until I was 19
and it was the beginning of a journey to suddenly take something of some kind of knowledge and feel that I had mastered
it in this case it was Hitler then it was the rule of World War II I read dozens
of books about the war but it was as if it was a new love of reading and even then there were no smartphones so
there was nothing to get in the way and I didn’t have to keep Shabbat for it Am and I remember
that as if during the exam the kind of thought arises in me that the family The religious is very reformed, I mean
there is something there that is good because you met people or when you heard yes I didn’t appreciate it no no it’s
ideologies I worked with them at home with a family there was a family system in the village the Fox family
a lovely family and the children there listen to their parents there is authority a there is holiness there was a meeting
in your opinion you met a family oh yes I met a religious family now I am a complete atheist I don’t believe
in anything I don’t believe if I have daughters alcohol freedom of travel is the best thing
I could have And the more of these things the better, heaven forbid I don’t know why
I’ve never had a joint No again I don’t know why But as if a joint and prostitution I decided
at some age that it’s outside the limit It’s outside There were friends in high school who went to prostitutes and that and
I was with them once that evening and then we said if another quarter of an hour comes I went I don’t
know why I also started keeping kosher from the age of 12 like fitness style I had all kinds of
jocks from such a young age of or continue the adults like I said wait a minute
to my parents why don’t you keep kosher why grandparents yes yes and you no their answer is no
let’s say it didn’t satisfy you they didn’t satisfy me so I said ok then Mish says kosher at home but how
did you manage at home I said I want kosher at home
and the parents agreed yes what did
they separate meat milk etc. Other families I
stay with I have friends from the minah that I come to
for Shabbat uh um, was anyone secular had a Shabbat husband for a religious family na na na I think the
friendship framework yes I don’t remember myself being too interested in this sense of let’s see the light of life let’s
see a sociologist but as far as I’m concerned the settlers deserve the disengagement because they count peace and they
are fascists and I don’t know what and the money is also in Nizer the Tamar and all these phrases that Yair Lapid
used 20 years later and in Hina, something stirs in this matter, I mean,
on the one hand, they are guilty, on the other hand,
they are nice,
they are really
good people and really archaic.
It’s hard for us to underestimate someone who does
sports properly, someone who
is really not only fit, but adheres to a training routine, eats as if they are serious,
these people are just saying he probably has a very big reason to do these things and I can’t
just underestimate him because it challenges me, so it challenged me and I
say wow I appreciate saying but like wait what’s the point of life if you don’t row there all kinds of
thoughts arise in me such thoughts of a a son among them alcohol freedom what is the purpose of
life if the purpose is happiness And pleasure then why not inject heroin it’s the greatest pleasure and
then of course more heroin and more heroin and more heroin because you slowly get used to
the first doses and then an overdose and you die and it’s great as if there really is no value to life then or
there is nothing transcendent to live for why does it all come then why not and I have no answers to the questions
God, I continue to live as a secular renegade, nice . Okay, I’m finishing this year when I realize
that you, it was very significant, and then you ‘re going to the army. It’s clear why
dream of becoming a pilot. Okay, now today you’re accepted. Yes , I was accepted.
My father was a pilot and fell.
An uncle. No, there was no uncle.
He didn’t bless.
An article in the light blue script that is here that I later read to my house the second light blue ok so
we already have Abraham and a light blue soon we will have children yes Elia and my wife at 39 weeks maybe by
the time it comes out I will have another one which will be at a good time I will have another daughter maybe maybe we will see
a So I am reading an article in the beginning letter about Aharon Barak’s legal revolution we are talking about the year
2000 the article was written in 2003 not in 2005 and I understand that the power lies with the jurists this year
on this day I say It’s good that he’s with the lawyers
, but he’s being usurped in a way that I don’t know how to justify. I mean,
I ‘m there, I’m with them, I’m on the left, I’m everything
, I hate religious settlers, they’re quite dangerous,
even though they’re nice and they’re great people on a private level, but I understand that the power is with the lawyers,
so I say wait, I really like studying, wow , it’s
a great profession . First of all, you, then we’ll compete in 32, we’ll study
law. Okay, I’m kicked out after six weeks as a pilot because I don’t know how to fly at the required level.
Check 15, what’s called, and wow, how did you get it? Oh, you’re really surprised. My father hinted to me that I was going
to be kicked out because his friend is a flight instructor, and on Saturday when I got home after that, after
the checks, you asked me how you would have told him, I think you know no, so he told me Zvika told
me, then I understood, he didn’t tell me no either. I asked as if I didn’t want what was called, they prepared you,
I didn’t want to be disappointed, no, I really didn’t want it, it was like the dream of life for me, it sucks, it sucks ,
the truth is that the level rises all the time, I mean in the first 10 flights I felt that I was there
and then suddenly the level rose to a level that it’s like you enter a hall at a university and the level is
so high and you say what happened now now they ask you not to learn it but to perform it
I tell you to a really high altitude come land here now what am I doing come on you idiot because I’m not A pilot because
it’s not in the gardens, it’s not. I come, descend, reach a speed of 400 Kmesh, he tells me the exercise is over,
so I realized that I had to do something else there to gradually descend, and according to the ribs, it was
too late, it’s already too late, he already saw that I don’t have the E, then after six weeks, you’re kicked out, then
where are you, and then, like that, on the day of Sharot, I got an accident and it was clear to me that I was going to a
special unit, because I don’t know from the age of 17.
I’m in good shape
and tear myself up and go for runs . No ,
I don’t read
books . I
only train
. Thank you, no thank you, I’m the eldest grandson, I still like
the adults as much as the guys, yes, they too, I really like
older people, people who seem to be easier to bond with from a young age, two years
below me, what am I going to do with them, as if I, but
it ‘s metaclists, they’re people of the Ichute, oh
, I was debating.
He tells me armor, artillery, engineering, in short, my worst dreams have come true, not regiments of
Khir, and you’re still
making giant tanks and this and taking advantage of the links that they slaughtered you with,
but where is the armorer ?
to the armor and you’ll be the best you can and that’s when I really listened to him, the truth, I’m happy, I really
like you, the position, the atmosphere in the armor, I’m enlisting in Shalon and my commanders are sure
that I’m a two- year veteran who fell out of a plane after
two years, so the attitude towards me is as if it’s not
a normal recruit, it’s someone who’s already a semi-officer , and they should have
just checked. I mean there are 150 people standing there and it’s like
I’m being put on a crying grandmother and that’s it and until they get someone who is a pilot they’re happy no yes yes the truth yes
there wasn’t even a tb no in this cycle not a cycle above me not below me it’s like he was the only sucker
yes and that’s what I said good ambush that’s said I later a commander I later it’s like a route in Bash
you went to command then I went to command I went to officer in officer there was something very funny about
one cloth
Her stature is black, disdain from here and a new one for all the hiranikis, but
I keep fit
throughout my military service, it doesn’t matter, there is time, a year, there is no time, I like
to run, it’s
good for me . These foresters all the metaklists and Dudev is now
while I overtake them because the jump is staggered because of the shooting so it’s like you don’t overtake
them at first and you don’t see them afterwards but it could be that he jumps 10 minutes ahead of you and you
overtake him so I sing to them where is the armorer you will know him passing you were so vigilant and these scouts and
such we are the patrol and then one of them came to me after this test and said to me listen Maddven Yarshaf
the wall man I’m sure That now he will advance in the ranks some general must be saying I will by
the end listen to me I will defeat you I will show you there is no way that an armorer na na na and this and all
the scores are published all over the whole cloth who came first
second well even at the end I followed him he apologized bought me some KitKat
or something and said to me “Listen carefully you are something special you are not an armorer for the record you got a training
that is difficult so it is like I am very competitive I like the
chu the beautiful And you’ve actually been four years since I drew no A. In the last week of a grades course, I was kicked out
, wow, wow, I was kicked out,
even though he had the highest grades in the cycle, so why did you
kick out A? Who did you vote for? The truth
is , that’s exactly what I
mean . A movement of 20 meters from Dion, you have to check
the oil again after 20 meters of driving, so he knows that I didn’t check again, he knew me as if
as a friend, not as a commander, and so on in the command courses, so it’s like very, very yellow and very much this
and he picked up on me some bag whose name I didn’t check and what if it was for the exercises themselves I was excellent because I
really like to navigate and also in one way I almost always came first to the trip before two mechanics
and that and I really like you weren’t yellow enough in short I wasn’t yellow enough and I tried to be
then how long You served for a total of three years, okay, three years, and you’re still on the left, not in 2006,
something happened in 2006 while in the army, not 2006, the end of the draft, and a year ago, I was also
in the second year of the draft, which is another blow, I was a year
and eight months, a year and five months, because I
went to Tif Am . In the elections,
as far as I’m concerned, I go with the most moderate people in the
Palestinian Authority to the Boyles seminar in England for a common discourse and the model there for all this common discourse is
an urban model, I mean there was a bloody conflict there were terrorist attacks and you can make peace only if you decide
and really make an effort to bridge the gaps and I’m still a leftist
, although a leftist who has already had a lot of books that are related to the right.
Tytler as if I had some kind of understanding, a bit of a geopolitical tip
A little bit and I studied a bit of Koran and I went to the delegation. In the end, we sit down on the
last day and try to come to conclusions. A
group that discussed the issue of Jerusalem. A group that discussed
the issue
of the
refugees .
Beaten and we’ll see if it’s possible to make peace and
actually what
comes out
of it if she tells
me yes . One country and Dan Rein
is completely Islamic which is like Judea and Shimron and Gaza and the other they don’t want settlers to stay
that way and the other is a state according to the law of the Islamic ministers you are Zimi you are wards not
citizens so you said to her wait a minute what about democracy we
used to have some sort of const I believe in democracy I’m from the left so she tells me no no no not a
sharia country well I told them refugees it’s like that I was ashamed I said if we talk now about
the refugee refugee tell me returning refugees To Tel Aviv, wow, the gaps are so far that I simply
declare myself right now as a right-wing person because if the true Palestinians are willing to go to England
and talk with Israelis and be with them in all kinds of exercises and hey, I’m having fun, they tell me and they
tell me refugees have returned to Tel Aviv, so there is no chance of peace with any of the Hamas leadership and that’s
what she tells you and she tells me the refugees live in their original home and they also have a
tall building that belongs to the refugees who have now returned from the United States and I say to myself well
then I’m a right-wing person like a ram, I say to myself, there’s no chance of a settlement,
I mean I have to fight, I mean I have to be a strong soldier and it’s like it changes my identity all at
once like wow interesting so actually when you join the army you already have a different identity I’m
a secular right-winger but no one can know what I’m thinking I come from a litist community I vote
for work you don’t you don’t say what you think no I say what I think but it’s very easy to say
it like this very easy you put the hat on You suddenly you’re
okay as if it’s easiest to talk without a kippa suddenly here I wear a kippa I know what I want what I
feel I’m Smotrich I’m a son of Gvoir I’m all kinds I’ve murdered many people what’s up with me and the murder of a rabbi
now when I was secular nice enlightened and right wing I wasn’t even a Beast as if
because no it’s not it’s not brahminic I’m me only I’m
half Moroccan and I don’t speak I’m not privileged and I’m not disadvantaged My two parents are academics Are you educated
I’m also somewhat educated yes no one After all, I don’t read books as if at all in 2006, not even and I do
read a little bit of books I read as if it was probably in the highest pion
of whoever happened to be Plato in Israel at that age or from Carpalli or that I really like philosophy while in
the army You were able to learn to read I must always be full of pocket books The truth is some of the books here are still
from the army so they have a slot tap Okay it’s like they have a slot tap on the balding so that we don’t move forward so that
we can get to other things You’re graduating from the army not that old Okay how old are you today 37 Okay,
but not much happened, okay, wait, so you finish the
army, you actually become a right-winger, am I secular, right
? Yes, no, and on the way, I say, wait, I’m not
an officer , because the IDF doesn’t want
me again
. It’s fine, I ‘ll check with the Maged, what can be done, it’s not possible, so
I said if Tzel decided to release me even though he thinks I’m a good commander, I want to contribute
back to the country and to its survival and to its values, and I said I’m going to be an instructor in the training camp like
I was a trainee and I was a trainee from studying law, that’s it, so it’s a super difficult dilemma because
it’s like they expect me to be a serious person and more During placement, I take a psychometric test so as not
to waste time, but then I waste a year in Ma’an Baruch on a starvation salary of 4,000 shekels per month as if it
does n’t work out, but I’m finally a secular,
nice renegade, I live in a kibbutz
on the border to the north, very nice
. As I like
and at the end of this year I’m not going at the end of this year at the beginning of this year before I started being
a guide I was in the United States on behalf of the Jewish Agency and there was everything for a guide
as a guide as a guide the salary is also but what do I care there are girls there is
alcohol America you don’t need money you don’t support a family brother
exactly there are two months of fun and now it’s like the crisis maybe as if the really big in my life
I told myself I’ll only have girls alcohol a lack of worries American summer good weather
enjoy it so I I’m happy I didn’t think about drugs I didn’t try either
and after the first month I find myself almost every day shutting down as if I work with my team
that I managed at the end of the day I repeat my cabin shut up with myself I don’t want Gentile girls Gentiles
I don’t want to do anything with them It’s not like I have nowhere to row at all with the general crew there was so
much in the first month and I ask myself only existential questions the whole second month as if I
say wait I got everything I wanted everything I drew in even I brought with me some
good books I learned Philosophy, full of
sports, a lake, everything is perfect, I’ll go every day to parties and I don’t want it anymore, it’s just
like I’m out of all the holes, what’s called, and again, I think our strength is repenting, as if
we say to our children, here, go all the way there and you’ll see that you’ll feel a lot of dancing, so I really
felt a lot of dancing at that moment and I said wait, where will everything fill me, no, then I
‘ll go back to Israel, it will be much more difficult with girls because Israeli girls are less flowing, and you’re no longer
the animal for juice, and then what, like, where? You row at all in this life. There is nowhere to row as if and
I have a lot of thoughts. I have the religious model that exists but it is impossible because of the matter
of faith and even then I
studied a
lot of
Torah .
I have to find something for myself to fill my life. Something doesn’t work out. It’s like
I have nowhere to aspire. It’s like there’s nowhere to go another day. Maybe the reason you’re going
to the school is because it’s something a little bit windy. I made it up in advance and I’m of the word. If I decided with you that I’m coming,
I’m coming. I’ll say wait, then money, then what, because money is only a means
to something. Now this summer was perfect. I had enough money to go. Enough money for housing.
Excellent food. Beautiful girls. Like then, money won’t help me either. So I
understand that nothing will help me. Like what I regretted. In life, as if as a secular or as a secular,
we will call it , it
did not satisfy you. I will not say that all secular people are fine like that, but I will say
that I was a very, very rational secular,
as if I said, wait, what are the pleasures of life XY ZW Nice, let’s realize them,
nice, I didn’t think about pleasures of a higher order
. The dream I aspired to now is clear to me that secular people in 1920 are a bit stupid
like religious people in 1920 but I still had no answers and I also had a rational feeling that
I would not have answers because from what I knew from philosophy up to that
time philosophers have more questions than answers and they don’t give answers and that’s it and that’s what you’re aiming for now yes
ok with these thoughts you’re going to guide in a kind of blessing right right yes ending ending the
year no that’s it no Finishing the year I’m in Shabbat , God is really helping me as if literally
a month before Shabbat there is divine intervention, it is of course very human, but intervention
I said that I have friends from the minachina one of the friends from the exam is a magic guy I come for a reason for release
His later he came and moved in with me, blessed be I, because I had an apartment with two rooms, I said
come move in, study psychometrics, let’s have fun together, I’m sitting with him at the release party of an old Dos man
, it’s like he did go where he went, but at the time I didn’t really know that A, it’s like the ultra religious
don’t go to them, but I’m sorry, he was a Dos , you thought he was a Dos Dos, a terrorist, then he took off the
hat after that, five five six years, but it doesn’t matter, now it’s his sister The little girl sitting
next to me suddenly and I say wait I know this thing what she’s doing she’s flirting but
wait she’s religious and she’s doing it with me wait a minute what’s going on here I’m it flows with her she’s a nice girl
talking na na na and starting a phone call now I’ve always wanted as if I had some kind of ambition
to marry religious I said I don’t believe that at least the house will have faith with something like
at least educate them that these children will believe and then if they believe parental respect will be here
A bit of order
in this house
will be good
now . What is the religious
problem ?
But children don’t have this fear of heaven that He really has the name and that’s what he really said and even if
it goes against our modern values ​​it’s still superior to them ok and the same sister of
the guy what a religious person she was so she found out on our first date we didn’t have a
first date she flirted with me we talked on the phone then I said what am I going out then he moved in with me
and I conduct all the conversations outside so he doesn’t know who I’m
talking to with his little duty so then we’re going to find out first and she finds out Like terror terror I came
to bring her a hand and it insulted you more no she tells me it’s over she throws me in Dashan she
tells me listen you’re a Nachman guy you ‘re a Nachman guy I’m like I’m having fun with you too but you’re
a renegade secular so nice and you look like a girl from the outside I can’t marry someone
like that and that’s it and that’s why it’s over and you were broken no I wasn’t broken at that
moment I repented this is what happened I said wait wait wait wait so there’s here I said there’s
an opportunity here because I learned Once, after our actions, my hearts were burning, I said
, I ‘ve never tried because I don’t believe. I had an excuse
why not try.
I said for a moment what I thought to myself. We were standing in front of the sea
in the port in Tel Aviv
. What kind of thing
, maybe we’ll kill Rabin, as if you understand in my head. It’s like I’m
going through a camp. It’s clear to me that it’s also a sociological transition. It’s clear to me that it’s also a sociological transition. It’s not. You don’t suddenly become secular
. You believe that you keep Shabbat, but without a kippah. It’s like in my eyes, on the next date, she’ll buy me a kippah
in Jerusalem because I didn’t go to buy
a kippah. Wait a minute , but when you tell her no, then I say
three. I say good. The same but in my head I said from a religious moment it’s
a kosher Shabbat prayer as if I said it
I think we’ll find out about it later but I said it seems to me that’s the minimum let
‘s see now I don’t have any tefillin at all I don’t know where
they are Shabbat it’s a world war probably in front of my parents they accepted
it well actually and tied me anyway I’ve been a keeper since the age of 12 and as if
that’s just telling you to eat a place of resonance and that’s fine we’ll find a way I tell her I
‘ll just tell her it felt like eternity but I told her I believe After that, a minute, you know
what I’m taking for myself, Shabbat is connected, a prayer tells me it ‘s good, even she, then we’ll continue, yes, then we’ll continue
, then it’s okay now, too, Ego, what’s the girl like that, throw away like what am I not some kind of Don Juan, I’ve never
been dumped, on the contrary, there were a lot of disappointments along the way, but here was something good, like there was
a really good connection, we were together for six months and then she dumped
Me and then I had like a very difficult choice because it’s like where does my life go on I
was religious for her no it’s like some of the things are not yet closed and then it
actually required you to decide where you also told me all the time throughout the whole six months you have to let
the yeshiva you can’t think for her alone it doesn’t work like that it’s like you’re not in a stent now converts
are not in a stent but I was good where I
was Amod no you wanted to continue with her if it was up to you I wanted to marry her
voila as if it was yes My brother, it was also connected, as if somewhere with all the philosophical thoughts,
I ‘m my listist and I wanted to
get married
early, as if that
was what it
was . It’s okay I understand I understand I don’t understand the choice
but I don’t have mental problems I’m a pretty happy person why I’m like I’m abandoning the nice little creature
who needs me ok you break up and then you break up and then I said wait I’m good I’m
still religious I’m on the outside I’m wearing a cap ok ok and we start all kinds of
conversations people meet me on the street just complete strangers what are you who are you
like all kinds of seculars like that oh oh oh Malita control McKaplan like Kaplan like of
Kaplan for the future to come and I say to them take this time on the plate take this time Pinoza take
you once accept me as if Aristotle opened something you got out I didn’t tell him so how do you disrespect me
like what are you not religious this is in yeshiva I said to him I wasn’t a day in yeshiva who are you
even and I judged a lot of people like that secular heretics who come to teach me I told them the
stories from England and this and they say so what do you suggest then what do you suggest that we always fight told
him what do you that we die It’s like some kind of stupid discussions and this and I to this day by the way
look as if on the religious society from the outside it’s me with a kippah I look like Dos the kippah sits on me
to this day as far as you are to this day it’s you you are in the yeshivas and you are in the sector and like good morning
Tamir 14 years have passed no but I went to a settlement conference let’s say about half a year ago the settlement
in this Bnei Hamam was not there except maybe Boaz there was one secular runner I came to Margamim I told
them Listen, it’s a failure, they told me what bananas, baby, oh, what? I said to them, there isn’t
one secularist, you know, Hilo, let’s say there is one secularist, let’s say there are 10% secularists here, you know how
they feel, I know how they feel, they feel foreign, they feel left out, they feel
it’s something of these doss, it’s good that you don’t serve kegels and salted fish here, as if you
can’t lead a public bill without a secular public , and if you want a secular public, you
have to roll over the buses From four blessings and advances, you can’t have a
Samaria regional council as a captive audience, free buses , and that’s impossible, and I feel it in my heart, I
feel it’s awake there, I say, I say to my wife Ruth
, I say to her, come on, let’s go , I
don’t feel good here, as if there’s no failure here, I see it right in front of my eyes. Later, there were also
articles that Smotrich danced with Bangvir during the war Since then you are still alive and we still have a lot of
outlets for the religious community as my external sociological observation
and as I also know what the secular feel towards religious people with irrational primal fathers na na na a ok
yes good it’s an experience that will probably last maybe up to 120 maybe even ah
23 years old I really say come on she’s right lady let’s go to yeshiva and I go in and I
feel like a stranger to which yeshiva you go right Meir but I found my soul I found there Some
two or three rabbis that I liked like Rabbi Kook I’m just not able to learn no it happens it
feels like gibberish they say it’s a language you have to learn I don’t connect with this stream in philosophy it’s like
a stream of Higg to this day still not able to learn Rabbi Kor also someone came a great rabbi
and I met here with great rabbis learn with me what paragraph it says who did you connect with
Who did you connect with, Rabbi Sharki, Rabbi Aren Tamir, and Rabbi Melamed, Rabbi Eliezer Melamed, through Peni Halacha
because I felt ignorant and they are the land in Halacha, and it annoyed me on this level, because as if I said wait, I haven’t had a drink
in half an hour, what now , then what to live all
my life with such doubts and this
and what do they do? Yes, it’s fine, I didn’t try,
yes I tried. Halacha from balding to baldness in say half a year I studied everything and suddenly I’m arguing with a
all kinds of such scholars at the Hebrew University who discussed law together on halachic and while at the
Meir Institute you study a I don’t take a break for yeshiva I’m a serious person I’m what is it now I’m going
to study law for a year or two at the same time studying law not from life waiting ah now no I’m serious this is
the secular head also don’t stop right there was an exam there was to give to the state as an officer but in an exam
that’s enough that’s it that’s it no ah Who, who, where do you live
? I didn’t take a shekel from my parents from
the age of 20. In the dorms, you live. Yes, but this
is an important point. I do
n’t take money. So, where do you have a job? What do you work
? A child with a Shiv, then it was not difficult with it, nothing, and mother,
mother, she took the tassel, I think it was the thing , like,
not only, like, how today they accept her okay
, look, there is a lot of blessing
here from grandchildren and from her family
and my wife , you are also the
only son in the country. What do
I know about sentences about a legal coup better than
her friends I they are still in their opinions or they are a little no no no still in opinions still in opinions in every
debate a concrete debate there are many debates or you just don’t argue don’t argue
every debate is full as if between me and my parents about resting calmly and this is every debate I need
to convince them of my position and even so they will vote left this is it I know why it is but oh and it’s
amazing in a good relationship but yes my mother came once In a week I have children’s sofa and father is very close. There is not a day
I talk to him.
He is an accountant, so it is very
fun as a business owner that you have a close account and also
a person who cares. Yes, okay , let’s go back to the
period in Jerusalem
. And we won’t make a content library for that. Oh , that’s it. So it started. No, you won’t start in 2019. We
are now. We are now in the first year of law studies
in Hebrew. The first year of law studies in Hebrew. I already understand that all these law studies are quite a bit of mumbo jumbo in this sense of everything. I am
talking to Barak Medina who is the dean
and a brilliant teacher of
constitutional law studies
. To me ,
that’s not exactly. I said, thank you, because that’s what I saw in the judgments.
Barak takes Rawls and applies it to Israeli law, and
I said, well, it’s necessary
here. I’m already
a right -winger . write a letter to the parent write a
judgment a written pleadings summaries and I hate to write hate love to read love to learn love to teach
love to talk so it’s different to write and yet you finish your studies because that’s how you need it ok
and an internship you do an internship of course yes and The tests are tests everything ends successfully everything is fine
one day I am called to the offices of the office owner
and he tells me what I don’t understand the part with you this is your score sheet
your performance in the office zero zero tells me are you sure you want to continue
as if there is something here willingly that’s it I told him you know what’s wrong
mom good so do you want us to close the files yes within an hour I closed the files I went
home from there and then I said to myself wait it’s always as if I corresponded with the topic of education I really enjoyed
the subject I really enjoyed the education as if as
a guide as an educator as someone who teaches as a lecturer and I said come on this is an opportunity as if this is what I
really want to do probably talk to people and not write by the way I missed that I got married and divorced
oh yes I got married I got married in the first or second year of studies A or a religious couple yes with
a religious wife from a Chabad home Niki an American and a lovely family
I don’t know I know a classic
of men and women after how long you get divorced after three years that you have children unintentionally as if it
was like that as long as the relationship is not clear Azors is not clear yes why why stay married forever because
after all children are married forever I really haven’t talked to her since you divorced I think maybe one email
of hi do you have the divorce certificate or something like that but really something very very healthy
as if it was over there was a relationship that is like a slippery slope that is already reaching
a place that you can’t get out of it you can’t get out of she feels mine is not enough I care and nod
and I’m in my world like any other man. It’s probably like this is the classic human claim and I don’t
understand what they want from me. I’m like I’m going to be stupid. I don’t know. I don’t
know what they want . They all come to me with claims and it doesn’t
matter what happens. And for three
years like that, I said well . We tried.
So it’s like somewhere I heard all the time
from my grandfather the truth on both sides I heard oh don’t get divorced as if getting divorced
is something you don’t do when you have children don’t get divorced no it wasn’t completely clear maybe you heard but
you saw divorced parents but this is it I’ll tell you something general about the ideological place where
I grew up I’m with very eyes A as if honestly looking at reality I’m not interested Ninata the text the
text in my heart it’s empty it’s not come show me works doesn’t work right wrong like don’t blow
me up with words and with all Adjectives I hate adjectives that’s why I also can’t say
Rabbi Kook because all this is the shining light that shines on Klal Yisrael the most special in the soul of the Most High I
don’t know no I don’t know how to eat it at all now they say which is better as if it’s
a classic saying a couple married with poison as if with poison and anger
and fights or a happily divorced couple as if the parents are divorced because of the power of them there are marriages by the way
this is what happened to each of my parents they have amazing marriages to this day Neither
of them
have changed partners, no, since
the age
of 12
, until
today . Listen, you just broke this,
I understand what we’re doing, you also understand the power of I’m affectionate with a squeal, it just hurts me,
so it’s like I don’t believe in lies, I say divorce
is ruin, it’s ruin, the altar cries, we have a lot of mobs, nevertheless, you find yourself getting a divorce, but
without a lawsuit , I mean, I did what I
‘ll say more than that . I won’t say
more than that . It’s like there’s lots and lots here, oh yes,
so let’s go back to the divorce, that’s all, it’s already
after school , right?
I’m getting a divorce and I’m actually qualified as a lawyer, so I work for three months in some office and then I’m broken up
and resolved and during that year I seem to be returning to teaching, I’m starting to learn it a I live
from my savings because I’ve always liked to save and it goes a little to yeshiva
and I live alone I live alone and want to meet someone else Of course I’m working on it B I say I’ve now learned
a lesson I understand that’s fine I need to find someone who is with her more than anything more than anything the issue
here is not as if the children are not insurance against a bad marriage I say For myself, I need
someone that I value very, very much, and it ‘s like that was the problem. I mean, I loved
my first wife very much, but somewhere, it’s like she deserves to be appreciated until tomorrow, but somewhere, the qualities
that I appreciate
in people
I appreciated in her and the qualities, but not the qualities that she wanted
me to appreciate her
for . sharper as if there are a lot of qualities that I’m
really dirt at her feet and by the way it’s more than you when you say more you um more than you than me
I appreciate a fan it catches me in points in the pips of this of the mouth of the name now really
thanks to her a lot it’s my accuracy in the podcast because it’s like I had a lot of discussions with her or the
record and then I see the moment the argument here is not strong enough I need so I mean I really
appreciate her both for the things she wants people to appreciate her and for other things that are a sin
so when do you know The same how long after so I’m like I’m this year from 2900 to 30
really working on dates a also in the receiver I mean like
I’m working I say wait I’m with the one I arranged with someone at the same time you’re dating a few at the same
time you don’t have a problem with that I’m not dating now novels date if let’s just give an example someone
busy student I’m an older single I’m 29 I don’t go out with Olafana girls Midrashia girls
I wish they wanted me but what to do I also lost I’m a convert and a divorcee,
I’ll have to settle for this even though in the end Ruthie Zira is much less than me, but if some older single woman
whose chicken coop is very amos sets up a date with me in two weeks on Tuesday, then wait,
what now? Someone turns to me. I tell her no, I’m already going out,
like what’s going on here? I want
to get married. I have an obligation
. And that’s okay, so I go out, let’s say I want to have three dates for that
week, and they all end after the first date. I know, I’m divorced, I know exactly what, yes,
no , I’m having fun. I
‘m not deluding myself that it’s going to work out and that it’s going to be fine and that
it ‘s
going to change. It’s not about wisdom that I’ll value it
over other things and posterity and concern and empathy and I myself am a human being as if anti-
empathic I say wait you justify all kinds of educational sides in the name of empathy so I’m as if I
‘ve been harnessed by empathy I’ve fallen come on get up as if it’s like this then me if someone who’s a crocodile tells me what
a poor person is sorry for him so I said I need someone who knows how to set boundaries
I’ll get along with of course I need a smart wife now You can’t write on the card what I’m
looking for genius genius You can’t write that it ‘s very arrogant very experienced anyone who asks for
wisdom as if you also can’t ask nicely you can ask for what oh verbal right as if what’s
legitimate to ask now I said to me wait what’s on my card depends on the fire who knew who
to me so I thought I said what’s legitimate to ask in the field of wisdom so that it’s clear that it’s wisdom but that it won’t
be experienced even though I’m a very arrogant person as you noticed oh I’ll write harshly so I
‘ll write harshly Well, I’ll write spicy, well, it’s good, here he goes, write spicy, and really she
turned to me and told me, I turned to you because of the spicy, because I said, “Spicy, it’s so peppery, someone like that,
someone in Lavasta. My wife is really not like in Lavasta.” She doesn’t pick up the phone to anyone, everything embarrasses her
, and she is very introverted, but she is sharp, she is
sharp, there are no such things, and she wrote on her card,
on her generic card, not on the card
, that she was especially sarcastic
for me . I said, wow, sneer at that, well, I can laugh at
her. I think it’s worth going out, worth getting to know. Come on,
tell her where you are. She tells me I’m in the house with the family. She tells her okay father
and tells them you’re asking. I told her “No because I’m in Jerusalem. When are you coming back from Haifa because you’re
a student at the Technion.” So he said, she said to me, “No, I’m now in
Jerusalem, I said to her, “Oh , let’s meet, let’s
say until the start of the holiday, like the second holiday of
Passover . I’m
staying with
my parents . She is also cynical, it will be from a home,
a Chabadniki house, I’m not, I have 770 in every number, they’re trying to bring me back to the Chabad,
I’m not so connected to Hasidism, it’s less work, a, I’m not a lover, not a degree, I love Halacha, and
in short, we meet on a first date, a second date, of course, before you go back to Haifa for another week
or two, and I said you need an iron handicap in the same heat. I said, come
to Mimona
. I didn’t say come to the mimona no one knows right away it’s like seven mimona what does anyone
know right away okay okay come make a round as if you’ll eat some sweets Hafela tells me what
you’re talking about which mimona which after the mimona let’s go on a date it will be
good on the same date again Tel Aviv port and something like that I
‘m clear to me this is my wife and voila there wasn’t someone else this year
who for like the first second we sat on my bench even let me invite her to coffee which is with
secular eyes like this Shame, she stepped on my ego, what’s this, coffee, soda, nothing, give me
something to give you, I didn’t grow up in a yeshiva, I don’t know, the holy and pure ones
who don’t know how to treat women, in short, a second date,
she also thought like that, not everyone [ __ ] like me and make
quick decisions of converts in a moment, as if if they say so, my wife in a moment, I also knew
in line like any other man, even if you decided and you know it’s this one’s, she’s not
scratched, she’s not an older single, I’ve met stories Here’s another new opinion. I also told some of them to Sivan
Rav Meir. She shared some of them in her class and made jokes. At that time, I wasn’t a character.
It was like Sivan was an anonymous person called Tamir . So I said, “She’s not scratched. She’s young. She’s
bright. She’s at the Technion. She’s brilliant. She’s in the Technion. She’s the first in her class. It’s in Labost. Planning is
very scattered. So it’s like I appreciate planning, but I don’t have it
. It was clear to me. I want to go out with a teacher, I found out I’m a teacher, I said
I’m Sarutta, I don’t know what the point is, but okay , come on, his scratches, the main thing is that she gets it
after how long you resist, I don’t remember if it ‘s two months or less,
I’m there, but I’m trying to pressure him,
because I know how to pressure, I’m as if you know
what you want from yourself, exactly .
No confidence no I understand I really have a great advice great great great for dating and I
took it with me all this year all 30 dates it goes like this you sit on a date you have fun
with her but the question is when did you have fun it ‘s precision what’s important I think I wish
this thing caught the truth I’ve never said it recorded on a podcast
when do you have fun with her when she goes to the bathroom you say wow I’m amazing or when you’re just
breaking up and you’re on the phone now completing messages like this or you’re talking to her and it’s super accurate
It’s important because if you had fun you had a placenta in the bathroom or if you had fun
it was as if on the way home with the nice messages it just reflects how much you want a relationship how much
you miss the other person how much you miss the relationship you won’t miss her no she’s fun you have fun with her
and it’s like life itself is sitting at a dirty dining room table after demons
go to bed and talk going on dates every now and then let’s say yesterday we went on a date but it’s like life
itself is a lot of logistics a lot
More precisely after the breakup when she went to the bathroom on a date or when it’s just as if
you have a phone you say wow I’m having fun with this girl no no no at that moment you’re having fun or
not and I took it it was very clear to me that this thing is the decisive thing because I’ve had many, many relationships
in life and like romantic relationships that were like fun then it was fun to end the meeting and you said
wow how fun I had her but I didn’t really love her there wasn’t really a relationship so you say
the measure is what happens inside no after how much you enjoy the conversation at that moment and no How much do you miss
the roofs, they’re gawky for a universal woman, interesting , interesting, we’re getting married after how long,
not four months, I don’t know, something like that, enough , I have a moment, I have a date from the seventh of Pesach to G
Elul, G Elul, we got married,
eh, ellul, eh Rav Kook , yes, I’m a waste of an abnormal edge, okay,
children, so A, right, you said three, and now she’s pregnant with a fourth,
right ? months first after let’s say 22
months two so soon they want a big family mom I also think that we give them
a good education and that we set boundaries and you live in Jerusalem live in Jerusalem in the back of the French here
and let’s talk a little about livelihood so livelihood is at the beginning because laws lawyer
you really don’t do anything I don’t try for him yes you are a teacher I am a teacher oh really a teacher where is
a teacher really happened no teacher until two weeks ago I resolved two weeks ago ok until
two to two weeks ago you were a teacher yes teacher In Sarah’s high school in Jerusalem
and as an educator or a professional teacher as well as an educator at the beginning until I realized
[music] that I’m not such a praier ok I’m ready for
a low bar but why would I be responsible for the fact that he was beaten
in the afternoon and I have to take care of this disciplinary problem Brother Makot in the afternoon he has a father a mother
ok I’m a child like Moshe our rabbi says no ok
so until a week ago you have to be at the university no I don’t like oh I’m already
at the university I have 60 A000 70,000 listening hours a month so like then that’s it then let’s see the seam
you made a living from teaching I guess yes yes yes it was the main living for several years I made a living
from teaching and my genius engineer wife also brought home a nice salary ok like I’m also that
self-employed so like I’m a lecturer and all kinds of things like that and let’s talk for a moment about your podcast so
it’s like when did it start and what is it how did it start started with this I said to myself
every time after My lectures people stay to talk to me and ask questions and I tell them here
a read it here read it and they don’t listen they just seem to say it will
be as if I know it because later in the next lecture they ask the same question that has
the answer in the same book and I tell him but I told you to read the Federalist I didn’t understand your
head as if you don’t have NIS 70 you want me to lend you and they don’t read secular religious religious
anymore but it doesn’t matter I don’t read so I said to myself wait a minute if I will do like The Meir Institute
I’ll record and then a candle for the singular a candle for the plural Maybe someone will listen to it Maybe I’ll tell him listen
on Spotify and open it then maybe he’ll listen anyway
so that’s how it happens I’m just recording conversations with Simcha Rothman Rabbi Chaim Navon Rabbi Saki all
kinds of people I appreciate release them and it takes hold as if it’s then and then you understand that and then I
say okay then maybe here I should be but but I really want to make an impact so it’s like
I have to make free content So how do I make a living from this? I’m not big enough to go for
commercials, which today I am. I’m not big enough to even understand what engines are, what they are.
I have a community of volunteers who help me with production costs, as if taking some of the things away from me. New
Media, quality control, content editing, all kinds of things, but I don’t have a livelihood in the beginning. In the beginning, it’s
completely .
I turn to
all kinds of bodies on the Israeli right. Nobody
wants to help me. A part of the expression of the right, even that there is no
money . It’s very
good in the world because it’s amazing how many years have you been with this podcast five years from 2019 and how many
viewers how many listeners do you have ah a month you said somewhere around a million a month it’s a million it’s
a million on YouTube wow 200,000 uniques uniques I mean different people on Spotify
Nana we enjoy all these more and it’s grown I’ve grown in the last quarter by 900% so it’s like a jump
wow I feel it because when I walk down the street suddenly a lot of people know each other so let’s say before Two years, not
much, they said hello to me on the street, they said hello to me at the conservatism conference, hello at the conference for freedom
in such very limited
places , and now it
suddenly became something that is amazing, dreams for the future
, not staying right where I am, talking to
people, making good communication, intellectual communication ,
a . From the lectures and not from the podcast,
from the podcast, there are 500 subscribers that keep me on the air. I am now also setting up some business initiative
that is related to the whole field of podcasts. I am either on the right, it will be called this or in Israel, a media channel. I am
now setting up some kind of stay-tuned thing, as if I can’t reveal everything because then my
idea will be stolen, but I am now working on something very powerful and I already have many, many partners, and even
a what is it called an investor, an investor that I am not chasing but he is an initiator the connection and really want
to be a part of it so I believe it will work wow I’ll ask you what I ask everyone what is
the most important thing in life oh it’s a bit like what kind of meaning I think
something is a reason to stand up for her or be in I ‘ll say it like this the digital world is very alienating
and even that I get dopamine from here and the new message from my YouTube channel and the networks and lots of
people contact me and here we saw how many calls I got in the process
and full of WhatsApps and at the end of the personal contact with real people it’s as if I had a conversation with you With you,
mother, a community, a family, I think that the things that you don’t choose are the strong things,
as if a family you were born into is ultimately very organized, meaning
I chose my wife, but I didn’t choose the children , children are very significant, and
after the choice of my wife, so it’s like I don’t
choose her every day, I didn’t choose her, that’s it. Now I have a responsibility that this thing will work. I wonder how many words about
the war we can talk about it for months
. off the record I had you explain before the war a boy in the void before the war
Rafael Ben Levy we all agreed before the war north south we knew it had to be a war we
were starting otherwise if you knew that then you also know what will happen
after the war no I think I think we have a problem again
I will predict here but I think we have a very central problem in that we are not capable of a
cultural test to start a war and it hurts us again instead of babies in the oven at this level women are tried
and murdered as if that is the price for it that we have a cultural problem with self-confidence in that
we deserve to exist here in our country and that’s
it now so if our country is God without God this is my homeland I’m a convert
and Ruth a secular I was born in 87 somewhere I deserve
to live here until 120 if any of them are on me
I ‘ll attack him first I’m done
We vowed to this name that our husband is bound because we do not have an international credit
package , internal credit in Israeli society, really, that our leaders will lead them
They are very led and they are less led. I say this about all the politicians. I met dozens of them
in long face-to-face conversations. They are, oh, they don’t lead. They are led. They are led. They are led to know
public opinion and I try to imitate public opinion so that it will exert the right pressure on
politicians, politicians, and not populist pressure in the style of agriculture
and Zionism. Let’s help new families with government budgets and then there will be an
exemplary country. Attitude to our people, I will say this, God, God
has put us here in very, very problematic limits. We
do not have the privilege of being a mediocre country.
We do not have the privilege of being a
mediocre army.
Whatever you say, in order to survive , we
must be civil
. Mebkia and the neighboring culture that Rabin talked about
in his famous speech at Pom then you are not optimistic
I think we have no choice but to excel in these things and I think that with our backs
to the wall we will succeed in overcoming the suffering and corruption that was created here in the first years of the state by
the mouth of the Histadrut of whatever it is of the very political nature of the IDF just Moshe Dayan
was a representative of Mapai as a champion in the IDF as a serving general he was in the photos of Mapai in the second Knesset or
the first but either the first or the second can’t be as if it’s a
completely political army one and then they say wait a minute what are you doing politicizing the Chehal oh the Chehal is political and therefore
it’s mediocre yes Tamir is there something else you want to say that you didn’t
say I didn’t ask thank you very much and I recommend the idea with Roy Yozevich and Reli they are a lovely couple
they are my personal friends because of the podcasts we just get ready at each other’s places on Saturdays
and talk and as Roy said in each of his friends he values ​​something very much so I am also a fan of
Roy’s Yuzevich and the cool Reli are really a heavenly and amazing couple, so watch it
on your podcast, I think it’s three episodes back, something like that
, wow, thank you very much, Tamir, it was fun talking to you like that, you’re really a
special