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we have an email from Jordan titled to wax or not to wax it seems like I’m being bombarded by content about how great running a wax chain is for Road cycling is running a wax chain all it’s cracked up to be maybe just for a longevity of components perspective well surely this is one for you nick uh I’m a I’m a naysayer to wax there’s a massive issues with wax I mean I get that they can talk about it being cleaner they can talk about and making components last longer but both of those situations are in Ideal World situations in terms of you properly treat the chain you properly wax it you properly stay on top of the wax the other issue that I’ve got with it is that um if the wax starts getting into your rear Mech in between the pivots and things like that I’ve seen uh with some of that wend wax back in the day that being a problem and then it just start sticking oh no wend was a proper wax was that stuff was horrible though I don’t think my my research suggests that current waxing is not comparable to the stuff back in the day fair enough and then my next issue with this hot waxing where people take their chains off and dip them in Wax Bar and things like that fair enough if you want to do that but from a bike shop or you guys or gcn or anybody online’s perspective you might cause yourself a lot of Problem by recommending it because Shimano shr and compa the three main chain manufacturer says you cannot reuse their split links and they should telling these customers that they have to put new split links in Campa will go further and say you can’t use a new split link on an old chain what so if you do this every week unclipping your chain and clipping it back in you suffer the risk of your chain failing your split link now I know there’s going to lots of people are going to comment saying they’ve never had any issues but I’m just saying that’s fair enough I’m happy for you but I can’t say that you can do it because that opens me up to a massive public sorry professional liability lawsuit so I I used to have a a whippman change yes wh chains actually say you can do it but it’s like a it’s like it’s a special link split link no it doesn’t even need a chain tool they’re really good chains we sell them for 11 speed in the shop they’re expensive mind yes they last quite well but that’s fine and a KMC also do uh reusable split link chains right but do they work with 13p speed compack or do they work with shr flat top chains some people might say they’ve found they do but from once again from a Shop’s perspective you can’t say this and it worries me that some of these YouTube channels or bike shops are telling customers this is fine because the manufacturer say it’s not so if somebody there’s a lad in our club that actually does it and he has snapped two split links from doing it um I’ve not told him I’ve told him not to do it but if he if he was to crash and break his hip or his neck and comes off it’s from a split link snapped and he just says so and so told me that it’s okay to do it yeah he’s opened himself up to well he’s opened them up to a massive lawsuit so from my perspective don’t do it if you’re going to use wax use something like squirts drop wax um or wax your chain when youve just bought it and then that’s it never again yeah use the drop on wax it’s it’s a it’s a very interesting perspective that I’ve never heard anyone ever talk about which is wild why so I’m I’m really interested to see if the what cuz there’s going to be so many people that watch SL list to this that do wax their chain and have either not considered that don’t care about that but I’m interested to get any people commenting on the YouTube video or send us emails if you have had issues with your quick links snapping or damaging as a result of taking it on and off so you can wax it I think that’s a really interesting thing to explore it is yeah last time we talked about wax which is a while ago people were very passionate the the waxers were passionate weren’t they yeah and I’m assuming they’re not changing in that quick link every time no no way
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A lot of your perspective is clearly UK based, please stipulate that questions of waxing not lasting and requiring weekly attention is in wet conditions, not drier climates. I do like your shows but you are international now so a bit of acknowledgment of other conditions is needed. Otherwise people in drier climates might think that waxing only lasts a week. I live in Australia and wax my chain about once a month. I am naughty and I reuse the quick link for 3 uses and each time I do it is still requires a tool to close the link like it does new. I have used the silica wax for years including on my X country MTB in races which involves periods of high torque loads, never had a link fail. The improvement in life span I get from my chains is significant. Sometimes I wonder if many of the local bike shops are against waxing is because they don’t get to service and sell more chains, cassettes and chain rings. Not a direct comment aimed at the presenters, just a personal observation I have made long before this.
Wait I am confused! Is the link the problem or the chain, because you can just switch quick links when waxing the chain and you should be fine right?
Or can‘t I use multiple quick links on one single chain?
Anyone plssss?
I will never stop waxing. I use Shimano links 5 times and replace
Waxing is the best thing ever
Those Connex links that are reusable have a tendency to interfere with the cassette lockring, though, making the chain slip on the smallest cog.
Wer seine Kette wachst, hat die Kontrolle über sein Leben verloren.
I have reused the same sram quick link several hundred times, I do carry an extra link with me all the time!
This video's title is a clickbait/ragebait
i dont wax, but I only use KMC chains anyway, so i dont see the issue
I wax. I reuse sram, shimano and KMC. No issues. 9, 11 and 12 speed.
I've tried both a wax-based lube (Squirt) and an oil lube (Dumondtech). I used the latter sparingly, one drop per roller, and the amount of black crud buildup was still ridiculous. Sticking with the Squirt.
Waxing is superior in dry climates for road and off road. It is easy, durable and clean.
This guys is out to lunch on this topic, very disappointed. I've been waxing this for years! What a completely misinformed individual! Just wow! Research the science!
I have reused the quick links over and over 60times for 3 years no issues
What’s crazy to me is I can buy plain 16oz paraffin wax $4 vs all the other name brands costing up to 20x that!! Granted the others might last a little longer but that does not justify the incredible mark up. Waxing can be done at a fraction of the price if you avoid all the cycling brand hype.
Can’t reuse a split link??? Cmon. That’s the point of it. They don’t recommend it because they want you to buy a new one. What a load of shite!
Just buy a 6 pack of quick links and replace them every now and then. Still ends up being cheaper than the extra wear on the components. It's strange because in another video, they mention that the key to waxed chains lasting longer is rotating chains so they wear the cogs at an even rate. That would also need quick links to replace.
Only using drip on wax…never took my chain for this exact reason! Thank you for confirming!!!
You can reuse quick links.
You can also buy quick links that are marketed as reusable.
But honestly quick links are reusable
Read between the lines that's all I'm going to say!
Wax if you mind messy hand and legs
Click bait video. Nicks talking rubbish and I am surprised Jimmy did not challenge him.
If he had suggested either use a re usable link or change every time then ALL the other things he spoke about become irrelevant. A properly hot waxed chain is proved to be better, cleaner , quieter and longer lasting than an oiled chain.. Although the PROPER bike shop response SHOULD be to use the links as per manufacturers recommendations we all know we can use them more than once if we are careful.
whoever this guy is rages me.
if you depend on a LBS then chances are you've never even heard of wax or you don't wax and never will (at best a drip wax which isn't optimal), you simply flog your bike and go in with it ridden into the ground and they and up replacing the chain and cassettes and that is the solution (a very stupid way to go about things if you ask me but general population doesn't give a F about much in life, let alone their bike).
Immersive chain waxers are very passionate about drive train maintenance, reusing quicklinks is a non issue, if you are that worried just get a connex link or KMC. If my chain snaps off (which it never has and I wax high frequency for years) then I only have myself to blame (still waiting for that day).
I buy a new powerlink each time just out of caution. It's $5 a pop.
I use squirt, wear is good , just have to occasionally (every 3-6 months) pour boiling water on it , dry and startover (cleans it all off) . I reapply drips on links every 300 kms ish . Done 4-5000km on current chain and still good. Running 105 di2 and chain which came with groupset. Dip waxing too much faff
Connex quick links solve that issue, case closed.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about Waxing chains.
did they forget quick/smart/quick links exist………
this is why i do not go to a pro mechanic
I became a wax convert when Silca simplified new chain degreasing (1st waxing prep step). I also invested in the Wippermann Connex toolless links. Yes I re-wax per a schedule and rotate two chains but per my chain wear checker my components, go on and on and on and … The cleanliness is simply mind blowing compared to my years of using lube. The one thing I do is occasionally apply boiling water and a scrub down of my cassette as there will eventually be wax build up. That extra cleaning step is a small bother plus infrequent.
There will be people that are not interesting in doing even a minimum of bike maintenance who will find even lubing their chains a hassle and will end up paying for it with breakdowns. If you want to see how well waxing extends chain and component life GPLama has an excellent YouTube video on the subject "15,000km on ONE Chain!?". He started off as a skeptic. Sorry Nick I respect your opinion but it doesn't match my real life experience.
Wax fat tiers disc brakes it’s all a scam bad cranks problem is we fall for it
Boringggt, go ride a waxed bike
Don't listen to the moron trying hard to convince you not to wax – he's TOTALLY WRONG.
Is this even a real issue. They break, they are long-standing acceptable weak links, and it's like 5-6 pairs of quick links for $10. Jusy replace the quick link every 3-5 chain brakes as you should probably be doing in the first place to reasonably guard your own safety.
This video is like: the whole purpose of riding a bike is keep mehanics busy and manufacturers selling you stuff.
Never follow this ǏÐÎ*Ť. And stay away from this so called “mechanic”, the guy is a complete ǏÐÎ*Ť.
For waxed chains, the best thing that I found is to use a heat gun !
It avoids completely taking off the chain and using up your quick link !!
It's way easier! You get the same result as in immersive waxing but faster and you don't have to take the chain off every time.
The way you do it is to simply heat up your chain with the heat gun and apply drip-on wax. It will melt right into the links while evaporating the emulsion away at the same time so you don't even have to wait for 24 for it to cure, you can go ride as soon as it solidifies (30 min).
Other advantage is that after a ride I just reheat my chain and remelt all those little bits of wax right back into the chain so it's nice dry and rewaxed for the next ride and it only takes 10 minutes!
Having tried all possible methods, this one is the easiest and most efficient.
His problem with wax is he doesn't know what he is talking about. So clean and how can it get into the derailleur