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hello as a gear retailer this is going to sound like some April Fool’s joke and it is but not on you see I’ve been wearing body armor for 20 years because that’s what motorcyclists wear like helmets are hard and headlights are bright pads are safe that’s my instinct and it’s wrong mostly motorcycle gear comes with shoulder elbow hip knee and a back pad mostly that’s the clunkiest part about riding gear but I never questioned its usefulness and most I wondered whether wearing a C1 pad would be safe enough compared to the even more annoying c2s so I did some surface level digging and pulling studies from the last 10 years reading the booklet you don’t have to dig deep to see these things in a different color see en n621 states that a pad has to take a realistic 50j hit and transmit less than 18 KES a C2 pad less than nine H what is the breaking strength of the strongest human bone 4 kons horse girls get body armor certified to that 4 Kon threshold so why is our motorcycle stuff two to four times weaker now Paul Verns very Works in performance verification and accreditation he tests this stuff and Paul says the standard for motorcyclist limb joint impact protectors set unadventurous requirements but were what the industry supported remember that the explanation was that the standards requirements were minimum manufacturers were free to develop higher performing products the actuality is that in the mass Market where price point is critical there was and is little or no ambition or incentive to do better than the standard requires that apathy extends to our body sizes too en 1621 sets a minimum size called type B in theory manufacturers are free to make them bigger but again material is money and variety is cost so you with your extra extra small jacket are going to get a type D pad and you with your extra extra large jacket are going to get a type B pad these are just too small and too thin to be of statistical benefit and the research can prove that see what they do is they look at a few thousand motorcycle crashes with known injuries and then they ask you each person what they were wearing no jacket a motorcycle jacket an armored jacket no pants motorcycle pants armored pants then you just try to correlate the injury patterns with the use of body armor but from Liz Dome study in 2011 despite the reduced risk of bruises and abrasions when wearing body armor the benefits could not be detected specifically in relation to fractures the enan in 2017 the allowable transmitted force of 1621 may be too high to effectively reduce the probability of impact injury this is not surprising given human tolerance levels that are reported in literature no significant difference was found between the impact protector’s material hardness and the presence of an impact injury danu in 2018 the protective effect was mainly due to a reduction in abrasions and lacerations protective clothing did not reduce the risk of fracture dislocation or Sprain and Meredith in 2019 the relationship between impact protector performance in the European standard test method and injury protection remains unclear so why then are these things everywhere I think it’s not about protection so much as protectionism see the European Standard stipulates that any Class A able a AAA rated garment must be sold with these impact pads that’s something like a leather jacket or a thick denim pant it’s actually illegal in a motorcycle shop in Europe to sell a class a garment without these what that means is that Revit Alpine Stars Dai ixen fan they don’t have to compete shelf to Shelf with universal Brands like coach or Levis or Patagonia never mind that the pads do nothing to protect our bones they’re very effective at protecting a captive market for the motorcycle industry remember it was the gear manufacturers that lobbied for such a low performance threshold to begin with there’s actually a term for this when a regulation meant for our Public Safety gets co-opted by an industry to become a convenient barrier to entry for its own competition the term is regulatory capture that is the quiet part the quiet term said loud now we have to be careful where we arrive with this because this stuff is life stuff so first there are Standalone back pads that look like this that go Way Beyond C standards I wear this on race day it works and there are airbags that go Way Beyond C standards I wear this every day it works but should we stop putting up with these tokens and I won’t sit here and tell you to take the armor out of your jacket because it is somewhat protective of course it is you can slide on this it might save you a bruise maybe in some statistical anomaly it’ll save you a fracture I can’t tell you to take the armor out of your jacket I can just tell you that I take the armor out of my jacket and I love it life is so beautiful our instinct is going to be to protect it but our imperative we have to remember is to appreciate it [Music] [Music]

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  1. It's worth mentioning that EN17092 tests garments with the pads *removed*. Meaning a AAA jacket or pant, which has been drop tested on the Darmstadt machine at 120kph, will still slide to a highway-speed stop without costing you skin (70kph for AA, 45kph for A). C-class garments have no abrasion resistance criteria whatsoever; this would be something like a mesh chassis for holding armour. Obviously, removing the pads from that would be silly, since its only purpose is to hold armour and you might as well wear a T-shirt instead.

    On that note, there are hero companies that make pads to greatly exceed CE 2 size and attenuation requirements. Aside from the Dainese back pad I showed, Rukka's D3O XTR comes to mind (link in description). Those pads are huge compared to the Type B template, and size matters if you're going to rely on pads to get to wherever your abrasion comfort level is. We don't always slide precisely on our shoulders, elbows and knees. It's usually the butt.

    We all have our own equations for balancing comfort v. practicality v. safety, which is why I made a point of not telling people to take the armour out of their jackets (twice!). Fortunately the CE standards make it fairly clear what your gear can and can't do, enabling us all to choose the stuff that achieves whatever we're after. ~RF9

  2. No one I know wears it to keep from breaking bones, they wear it to keep their skin attached to their body when they slide and the asphalt rips through their clothes

  3. Honestly, this is a rare miss by FortNine – complete bullshit and data interpretation at the level of Exxon. Love the channel and the work you guys do but this missed the mark as many others have stated below

  4. I have done enduro for years, fell off while riding countless times, and i'm totally grateful that i had my armour (chest 2, shoulders 2, back 2, elbow 2) every time…
    Crashes are not just % and kN, try it on your own skin and let me know😉

  5. i just went down this past tuesday, was cut off, i went down around 25-30mph, when i hit the ground on my left side, i felt my shoulder protector dig into my shoulder resulting in a fractured left clavicle, idk if that piece of armor wasnt there if it would have made it worse, but i did feel it dig into my arm/Shoulder !?!

  6. Hmm, so tell the NFL not to wear pads and see what happens. Yes they still get injuries, but look how the same hit would be without pads…And yes, I know there is a huge difference from football to motorcycle riding

  7. Wouldn’t an impact that is just over the threshold for a break be mitigated by the armor still? Obviously armor has its limits, but those impacts on the threshold could be mitigated right? Or am I getting the physics of it wrong?

  8. Im going to add my personal experience here to say KEEP THE PADS IN YOUR GEAR. I slid on a corner in gravel wearing AAA denim with the hip pads out, and even though the jeans held with no damage up my hip didn’t, i got road rash/ my hip skin degloved THROUGH my pants from just the texture of the road /pants and my bone against the skin there . My knees had pads, and were fine other than a bit of bruising. Pads are important in the spots you don’t naturally have a lot of padding over the bone..like elbows knees, ,& hips…Lesson learned. Pads went back in after that.

  9. The choice shouldn't be between wearing shitty armor or wearing nothing at all… where are the level 3 and 4 options??? Gear companies have to get their heads in the game and design armor that will unquestionably work.

  10. I have lowsided my bike twice right after pulling out because I'm an idiot. The hip pads saved me from a really nasty bruise both times. I love the protection. I use them on my electric stand-up scooter also. I spent so much time as a kid scrapped and bruised. Now that I'm old, I love gear that keeps me from getting hurt.

  11. I barely notice they are there… If i fall down with little force which wouldn't break a bone the impact won't be direct and i will be less sore so they are definitely staying in my jacket.

  12. Asphalt chews through gear really quick but not as quick as those pads. Abrasions can be no joke. They're like a burn. A little touch on a hot stove isn't anything like someone in a car fire. You slide on skin at 70mph and roll, you will go to the burn unit and you will be treated like a burn victim and it's a painful recovery. We aren't falling off of a bicycle going 10mph and scraping a knee.
    Those pads are put in areas most likely to be sliding on the road from a fall. Plus, when you're a body flying through the air, any impact reduction is better than nothing.

  13. I took the armor out of the back of my jacket because it's just too hot to ride with it in Texas summers. But I leave it in the shoulders and elbows – mainly because it's under the leather part so it doesn't contribute significantly to heat anyway, but also because the elbow pad has saved me from bruising and possibly lightly fracturing my elbow on at least two occasions. I'm not an ATGATT rider, I tend to not wear the gear when it's blisteringly hot rather than not ride at all, but I do appreciate the benefit that even the limited protection of "armor" can provide.

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