No joke I wanna get a e-bike but most cost 3k or more
PicnicBasketPirate on
Shimano, SRAM, Fox and all the other 3rd party suppliers have the MTB market by the balls. Both with pricing and with marketing.
The bike manufacturers themselves aren’t much better and are more than happy to tack on their markup because they know the market is there for it.
Levethane on
It is ridiculous when you think about it. The dirt bike has 100x more parts. Complicated engineering, electrical sensors and functions and it still has the same basic features as the ebike (shocks, forks, brakes and wheels)
The ebike is a basic bike frame with a battery and motor. The ‘premium’ forks and shocks probably cost 10% of what they get sold for as well.
A lot of it comes down to the market. Kawasaki might make 20,000 of those bikes a year with an effective production line but the ebike company might make 1000 higher end bikes.
Also capitalism and basic business modelling; sell the item for the maximum people are prepares to pay.
MosquitoValentine_ on
Random, probably dumb, question about Maxxis DHR 2 and Rekon tires. I have both and was under the impression that DHR’s were meant to be on the rear and Rekon on the front. At least that’s what I’ve read. But I’ve seen setups both ways. Is it just personal preference? Or should the DHR be in the front.
There are a few things. First off high end mountain bikes are pretty much the same bikes that the top level professionals use. People have a very high standard on what an acceptable mountain bike is and you’re not going to find many budget mass produced parts on nice mountain bikes, That’s not even a little close to true with motorcycles.
Top supercross bikes are into the hundreds of thousands to get the attention to detail you can achieve with 4-5 figures worth of mountain bike.
Second, Kawasaki makes that one KX250 in one size and sells it in huge numbers compared to mountain bikes. Economies of scale are a very big deal.
Third, let’s be real, it’s because fuck you. Mountain bikers pay it so they charge that much.
GrunDMC74 on
You definitely pay a premium for Santa Cruz. Still crazy tho.
Graham_Wellington3 on
🤷🏻♂️
AustinBike on
So, you take a low end motorcycle and compare it to a high end mountain bike. You could also compare a low end car to high end motorcycle and make a similar comparison.
Hey, a beer at a ball game is the same price as a meal entree at a typical restaurant. How is that possible?
We could do this all day.
C-D-W on
I’ve heard so many explanations on the subject and some of them make some sense and a lot of them don’t.
The only one that really makes sense is that the market will bear it. If nobody was willing to pay $5-15k for a new mountain bike, they wouldn’t cost that much.
HandsomedanNZ on
Because one is mass produced and the other one is made in large numbers.
robo-minion on
Marketing thinks that how much dudes are willing to drop on a hobby machine. Note that new mountain bikes range from $200(walmart) to $1000(decent bike that won’t fall apart) to $15-20k(high end ebike).
Search “market clearing price”.
Santa Cruz is the Luis Vuitton of mtb. Kawasaki, not so much.
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Insane, isn’t it?
No joke I wanna get a e-bike but most cost 3k or more
Shimano, SRAM, Fox and all the other 3rd party suppliers have the MTB market by the balls. Both with pricing and with marketing.
The bike manufacturers themselves aren’t much better and are more than happy to tack on their markup because they know the market is there for it.
It is ridiculous when you think about it. The dirt bike has 100x more parts. Complicated engineering, electrical sensors and functions and it still has the same basic features as the ebike (shocks, forks, brakes and wheels)
The ebike is a basic bike frame with a battery and motor. The ‘premium’ forks and shocks probably cost 10% of what they get sold for as well.
A lot of it comes down to the market. Kawasaki might make 20,000 of those bikes a year with an effective production line but the ebike company might make 1000 higher end bikes.
Also capitalism and basic business modelling; sell the item for the maximum people are prepares to pay.
Random, probably dumb, question about Maxxis DHR 2 and Rekon tires. I have both and was under the impression that DHR’s were meant to be on the rear and Rekon on the front. At least that’s what I’ve read. But I’ve seen setups both ways. Is it just personal preference? Or should the DHR be in the front.
Ryan F9 has a half serious answer for you: [https://youtu.be/BS9ugdl1FZc?si=xWZnWPPFK5KAT96y](https://youtu.be/BS9ugdl1FZc?si=xWZnWPPFK5KAT96y)
A lot more motos out there the nice mtbs for one.
There are a few things. First off high end mountain bikes are pretty much the same bikes that the top level professionals use. People have a very high standard on what an acceptable mountain bike is and you’re not going to find many budget mass produced parts on nice mountain bikes, That’s not even a little close to true with motorcycles.
Top supercross bikes are into the hundreds of thousands to get the attention to detail you can achieve with 4-5 figures worth of mountain bike.
Second, Kawasaki makes that one KX250 in one size and sells it in huge numbers compared to mountain bikes. Economies of scale are a very big deal.
Third, let’s be real, it’s because fuck you. Mountain bikers pay it so they charge that much.
You definitely pay a premium for Santa Cruz. Still crazy tho.
🤷🏻♂️
So, you take a low end motorcycle and compare it to a high end mountain bike. You could also compare a low end car to high end motorcycle and make a similar comparison.
Hey, a beer at a ball game is the same price as a meal entree at a typical restaurant. How is that possible?
We could do this all day.
I’ve heard so many explanations on the subject and some of them make some sense and a lot of them don’t.
The only one that really makes sense is that the market will bear it. If nobody was willing to pay $5-15k for a new mountain bike, they wouldn’t cost that much.
Because one is mass produced and the other one is made in large numbers.
Marketing thinks that how much dudes are willing to drop on a hobby machine. Note that new mountain bikes range from $200(walmart) to $1000(decent bike that won’t fall apart) to $15-20k(high end ebike).
Search “market clearing price”.
Santa Cruz is the Luis Vuitton of mtb. Kawasaki, not so much.