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of today’s meeting is being livereamed and those participating in the meeting have given consent to their inclusion. The recording will be available on the city corporation’s YouTube channel following the meeting and it shall be retained for up to one civic year. Chief commoner I move alderman Gman take the chair. Is that seconded? Second and agreed. Get order. Thank you. Well, members will be aware this is a formality while we go through the first parts of the agenda. So, ter Clark, can I ask you to proceed? Thank you. The first item is apologies. I’ve received apologies from Anthony Fitzpatrick. Um, any other apologies that I’ve received over the weekend and not noted will be included in the minutes. Thank you. Declarations. Item two is members declarations. Do any members have any declarations? Not seeing any. Move to item three which is the order of the court of common council. This is just for information. Thank you. Let’s go to the elections then. Yeah. In which case we come to item four which is the election of a chair understanding order 28. For members information I received notice of two expressions of interest at the required deadline from deputy Marian Fredericks and Deputy Tom today. Given that we have two members interested in serving as chair a ballot is required to run in accordance with the standing orders. Members will now be issued with a ballot paper to cast their vote. Just a reminder that observers and exeicio members do not kiss a vote in the election. Colleagues from the town clerks department will now walk around the ballot bowl. On the receipt of the votes, we will announce the results and please bear with us as this may take a few minutes. Thank you. Are you happy to read? Yes. Can I just clarify exeic um no not in the election of chairman chairman are there any exeicio members who have voted I haven’t seen any his statement just to clarify town clock Thank you. Okay, got one more coming. Can I answer that? Yeah, I’ll read out the names. Tom Slay. Tom Slay Tom Slay. Slay Marianne Frederick’s Marannne Frederick’s Marianne Frederick’s Frederick’s Marianne Frederick’s Tom Slay Marannne Frederick’s Tom Slay Marannne Frederick’s Tom Tom sleigh Tom Slay I think that’s sle yeah Frederick’s Tom Slay sleigh sleigh Sutliffe Marianne Frederick’s Tom Slay Slay Slay Slay Slay Slay Tom Slay. Thank you chair. Um, I make that nine votes for Deputy Frederick’s and 20 votes for Deputy Tom and one sport and one sport by paper. Um, in which case, um, Deputy Tom today received the majority votes is accordingly elected chair for the ensuing year. Congratulations to Tom Give me a second. Um, sorry about that. I just had to get my desk in order. Good morning and and thank you. Um, thank you to members of the committee for your uh trust for the year ahead. I’ll do my very best to live up to that in the coming year. Um, commiserations, Marian. I know you’ve been on the committee since 2008 I think and I know we all look forward to uh your your experience and your knowledge in the in the debates that we will have in the ensuing year. Um as you will know colleagues this committee is u the grand committee. Uh we have a bit of process to get through today uh before we then will break and go into the planning application subcommittee of which you are all members. Before I do that, um I’m going to just read out the names of those members of this committee who have now left since the beginning of this new political year. Um they are Graeme Packham the former deputy chairman Randall Anderson Ian Bishop Laget Simon Duckworth, Mary Durkin, Deputy John Fletcher Robert Hughes Penny Natasha Lloyd Owen Brian Mooney Aean Mal Mlali Judith Pleasants Ian Satan Lou Terrier Shyendra Umradia and Deputy Doright and I’m sure um you will all join me in in thanking them for their time on the committee. I’d also like to welcome some new members. Um, we have quite a lot of new members on this committee today. Some were already counselors before the March elections and some are new. Congratulations to all of you on your elections and let me just welcome you all individually. Tana Atkin, Sami Bakchi, Alderman Allison Gman and Allison, thank you for beginning proceedings today. Deputy Medus Gupta, Josephine Hayes, Philip Kelvin, Timothy McNal, Sophia Mooney, Deputy Nat Keshi, Gabby Robert Shaw, Naresh SAR, and last but not least, Matthew Walters, uh, Waters, sorry, Matthew, welcome and welcome everybody else. Um, just uh, I’m sure you will all know from your training, and hopefully everyone’s had the opportunity to take training. This grand committee typically deals with the large overarching kind of crosscutting strategies and the process. In a moment we’ll be appointing electing our deputy chair and appointing our subcommittees. We’ll then move into the planning application subcommittee. That subcommittee deals with large complex or precedent setting applications uh and also considers those applications with more than a number of material a certain number of material objections. And there’s one major item, the Mon Brewery on that agenda. Uh we will also be appointing uh streets and walkways subcommittee that deals with amongst other things the kind of safe uh efficient flow and movement of people and vehicles around our streets and the local plan subcommittee and local plan uh has only one more scheduled meeting but it is very important and it will be receiving the uh report from the inspector who is currently undergoing the inspection of our city plan 2040. uh and that will be the beginning of the end of the final leg for the city plan. Okay. So without further ado, let me move on to the election of deputy chairman. Okay. Thank you J. Can I just check before we continue? Do you wish for members and officers to stand when they address the committee? Um so convention is that um members and officers stand. Um I think for the moment we’ll keep the convention. Just on that point, my I’ve had the opportunity to speak to lots of members in the last few weeks and I know that there are lots of good ideas around ways of working and how we conduct our business. Um the packs are of course enormous. I don’t necessarily think planning should be an endurance sport. Um and sometimes it’s been a um even more risky than that. Um however, I think uh what I will say is my door is open to those of you who have suggestions for improvements. So do come and see me and over the course of the next few weeks and months um we might be able to tweak how we do business. But on the matter of whether we stand, if you wouldn’t mind standing because I think that helps with legibility sometimes for other members of the committee. Thank you. And apologize to check stand where able. Where able to stand where able. Thank you. In which case, move on to item five. This is the election of a deputy chairman in accordance with standing order 29. Um for members information and this was circulated at the end of last week. We’ve only received one expression of interest by the deadline from Shravan Joshi and therefore in accordance with standing order 29 Shravan Joshi is appointed as the deputy chairman for the ensuing year. Congratulations Shane. We’re now going to go on to uh the public minutes and the nonpublic. Sorry. We do have one more item of business to take care of. If I can call on Charles Edward Lord to move the chief commoner to move the vote of thanks. I think the chief common just goes straight to I um apologies chief commoner chairman members of the planning and transportation committee wish to extend our heartfelt appreciation Joshy MBE for his outstanding leadership and transformative contributions during his three-year tenure as chairman of the planning and transportation committee under Savvan’s visionary guidance The planning landscape has been significantly enhanced. His commitment to fostering a progrowth and pro-development culture has resulted in a consistent increase in planning permissions, including 12 new tall buildings with one undershaft standing as the tallest in Western Europe at over 309 m. These developments have added over 800,000 square meters of gradea workspace, reinforcing the ch the the city’s international stature and meeting the high demand from occupiers. Sraan’s tenure has also seen a remarkable diversification of the city’s ecosystem with a substantial rise in hotels, co-living and student accommodations. His efforts have transformed the public realm, introducing new pocket parks, civic spaces, public gardens, and 14 new pedestrian routes. Notably, the planning permissions granted during his chairmanship have garnered numerous awards, including the national planning permission of the year for Ferrari Court. Shravan has been instrumental in integrating cultural and heritage destinations into planning permissions, creating a vibrant 7-day destination city. These include the migration museum, the London tunnels, and several elevated public roof gardens and terraces. His leadership in sustainability has been groundbreaking with initiatives like the city’s first sustainability SPD and the heritage retrofit toolkit. Moreover, Jioan has successfully navigated the new city plan through the committee and addressed the examination in public. His efforts have led to the establishment of the city business investment unit, promoting the city as a prime location for development and investment. Shan’s tenure has been marked by a proactive approach to digital planning, securing major government funding to develop a truly digital planning service. His vision and dedication have left an indelible mark on the city’s planning landscape. We are immensely grateful for Jioan’s exceptional service and wish him continued success in all his future endeavors. Thank you Siobhan for your remarkable contributions. Thank you. Is that seconded? I have great pleasure in seconding the motion. Thank you and agreed. All thank you. In which case chair move on to the next item which is the minutes from the non-public meeting. How sorry the minutes from the last meeting. However, just before I go to that members will notes that there was a supplementary circulation on Friday with the transport strategy paper and chair. It’s up to you. You may wish to given the importance of item to bring up the agenda to be considered after the appointment of subcommittees. I think we should. We also have a question on it, don’t we? And yes, I believe Mr. Bell has a question on that one. Mr. Deputy Ed. Good. In which case, the next item is item uh six, which is the um minutes in the last meeting. Do any members have any questions or comments on these minutes? Nope, I don’t see any. Are we happy to approve them? Good. Thank you. Um item seven is the appointment of subcommittees. Um so for members information as members will know the committee appoints three subcommittees. The planning application subcommittee, the local plan subcommittee and the streets and walkway subcommittee. As the chair said earlier, the planning application subcommittee um membership mirrors that of the grand committee including the chairman deputy chairman. Um however a change in the standing orders for the other committees means that subcommittee chairs are elected by the appointing committees with the deputy chairs appointed by subcommittees at their first meeting. So we will do that today. Um there are seven positions to fill on the streets and walkway subcommittee and um the following members have expressed an interest. Deputy John Edwards, Deputy Marian Frederick’s Alderman Allison Galman, Deborah Oliver Hugh Selka, Deputy Tom Slay, Matthew Waters and Jackie Webster. However, Deputy Slay as the chair of the uh as this chair of the committee now received an automatic place in that committee. This means uh we moved down to we have less members standing for the committee. Uh there were seven members going for seven places in which case there is no need to ballot. Okay, congratulations. Um however and deputy John Edwards I should say is also the only member to express an interest in standing as chair of the streets walkway subcommittee. So is accordingly appointed as chair for that committee. Congratulations John. There are five positions to fill on the local plan subcommittee. The following members have expressed an interest. Deputy Marian Fredericks, Deputy John Edwards, Shvan Joshy, Alderwoman Elizabeth King, Deputy Alistister Moss, Hugh Selka, Deputy Tom Slay, and Jackie Webster. And just to be clear, um the chair and deputy chair of the grand committee have automatic places on the subcommittee also. So, Deputy Tom Slay and Shan Joshi’s names uh to be taken off those expression of interest. However, that still leaves us with six members going for the five places and so accordingly we will ballot for those places. Okay, Marian, thank you chair. Um I know that the standing orders say that we shouldn’t um add an extra member just to avoid a ballot. Um but it does say that if the committee permits this, it’s allowed. Um I would suggest that given it’s just one extra place. We are in the middle of the local plan and the the public inquiry um I think it might be just advisable to allow the extra place. So we have a new member onto to the committee and that way you have continuity from past members given the stage of the local plan at the moment. Chairman [Music] um Clark. So um standing order um whichever subcommittee the standing orders governing the subcommittees item 12 do say that the proposed composition of subcommittee shall not be increased solely to avoid the ballot for contested vacancies without the consent of the appointing committee. So therefore chair thank you I I am by the way very sympathetic Marin to that point. However it would appear that standing orders are standing orders. Chief happy to second that if that’s a motion. Um chair motion has been moved to um so standing orders don’t permit it but we still haven’t without the consent of the appointing committee. Okay. So they do technically permit it. Marian you’re presumably putting the motion forward. Uh chief you’re seconding it. Would anyone like to speak on the motion? Okay. In which case all those in favor that’s a clear majority in favor. There we go. Thank you. Um in which case um we will avoid the need for the ballot and um those members names are appointed to the local plan subcommittee. Um no members put their name forwards to chair the local plan subcommittee. So we do have the opportunity to do that now. Um so convention has been and we did check through the papers that the chair of this grand committee chairs local plan subcommittee. Um I would suggest we kind of carry on with that convention. If if if I don’t hear any particular voices against that if you are so happy as a committee I can see none’s agreed. Thank you. Um and for the deputy chair we can do that at the first meeting of the sub and we’ll deal with the deputy chair at the um first meeting of that subcommittee. I believe there may only be in fact one meeting of that subcommittee. So we’ll thank you see. Good. Um in which case as mentioned earlier the late paper the supplementary circulation on the transport strategy we can consider this at this moment check. Yes. So just to give everyone a moment to bring the paper up because it was a supplementary. There we go. Okay. So there will be a a presentation on this and I think Samantha will be introducing it. Samantha over to you. Thank you chairman. Um uh could you just make sure your mic is close to you please? Thank you. Thank you chairman. um presenting you a quick overview of the transport strategy, but more importantly the work we’re doing under the delivery plan which is covered in the annual report um which enables us to to move ahead and and deliver against the strategy that was adopted in 2019. We have 10 core outcomes and we’ve only changed one of these slightly in the last uh when we reviewed the strategy la and and reaffirmed the direction of travel last year. Um these are all in interlin and enable us to produce the quality of environment in our city and streets that we’re starting to see. We set ourselves a number of performance indicators and against three of these were already well over our targets. Um the top two are for vehicles around the 24hour um calculation and we’re seeing that all vehicles and freight vehicles we have already gone past our target that we set ourselves to 2030. And similarly the bottom line there is for cycles and we’ve increased the number of people cycling um by over 70% um in the last two years. The reason these targets these indicators are so important is reduction in traffic um enables us to deliver the other outcomes. and and what we’re seeing over the last couple of years is is part of the trend we’ve seen since we’ve been measuring traffic in since 1999. Uh the graph on the left you can see that motor vehicles have come down dramatically and steadily over that period. So it’s a sustained trend and cycles have gone up. And then on the far right of that graph shows the the the dramatic jump that we’ve had uh in the last two years. what this actually means now for the composition of traffic on our streets. You can see that uh in in 2024, the the numbers of cycles now far outweighs the number of vehicles. Uh and at sometimes on some streets, we’re seeing uh that over 50% of the proportion of of of movements on our street. But perhaps more significantly uh the number of people walking are the really highest number of people movements um and that we see the this throughout the day and not surprisingly the peaks in the morning travel and around lunchtime as well. Um but this is this is really why our our transport strategy is catering for uh people walking and trying to make it a great place to walk. Um this the data I’ve put in here as well are the data that TFL produced with under the London Travel Demand Survey. Um because this also shows what the patterns are. This shows a slightly different number for um the cycling and walking because it includes the whole trip. So a lot of that journey is by public transport first, but you can still see that walk is up there as a very high proportion. So in terms of what uh we have delivered over the last few years at the the the center sort of the heart of the city we have the improvements at bank uh we’ve been able to create substantial amount of space for people walking around through that junction made it safer and made it a dramatically more pleasant environment. Um we’ve got similar improvements around one new change where we’ve we’ve uh made the gardens easy to get into fully accessible and similarly we’ve started putting in um raised crossings wherever possible making our city as accessible as possible in terms of what we’ve achieved over the last couple of years. Um we we are looking at the an a great expansion number of seating places making it easier for people to navigate and rest around the city. New trees um dramatic amount of planting which is backing up our climate action strategy. So the work that we’re doing is helping to support right across the corporation’s objectives not just our uh transport sector. And we’re looking for the delivery plan over the next five years. Uh or the second part of your documents. Um we’ve some people will be aware that we have split the city up into sort of functional areas which we then we then undertake a healthy streets plan um study on that on that area to understand what opportunities we can make but also to judge what the needs of that area are. And not surprisingly, it’s very different in city cluster compared to Riverside or Fleet Street. But that enables us to work very closely with bids um with local members and to to deliver the improvements. Um we’ve completed three of those healthy streets plans and we’ve also successfully secured funding to help deliver that those um and that also helps us draw in other developer money um that’s appropriate for those areas. Uh some of the big work that’s coming up, we’ve got uh Leenh Hall transformation is progressing well. That’s gone through consultation stages. Uh and we will be starting to see delivery there. Um Gra Friars’s Square as parting St. Paul’s Gator which is the probably the biggest change we’re going to see over the next five years in the center of London. Um and then also we’ve got Lloyd’s Avenue which represents some of the smaller pieces of work that still add up to collectively some very big um changes for for how the streets look, how they feel, how traffic behaves and allowing people that more comfortable and safer movement through the city. Some of our work is more strategic and we are grappling with the success of higher bikes. But I think we thanks to some of the initiatives that our former chairman encouraged us to to do earlier in the year. We we are making good progress with getting high bikes under control and we think that that will continue to help uh see that as a positive rather than a negative in our city. We’re also doing quite a lot of work with bids and with um we’re part of a zero emission network which is en is helping fund um opportunities for cargo bikes. So, it’s really trying to continue that shift in freight deliveries uh so that we see freight moving out of large vehicles onto the the smaller ones. We have good partnership working with the city police. We are we have um adopted a plan called vision zero which really is about setting that framework for reducing the number of people that are seriously injured or killed on our streets and accept and aiming that there is no acceptable level that we should strive for zero and and the work we do in partnership. The police have uh supported us very strongly in tackling illegal vehicles but also trying to educate people about poor behavior. Um so we we work closely with them to make sure that’s all joined up. And one of the other things that we has has become important to the corporation or important to the corporation but we are starting to be more inclusive in our approach with the transport strategy. Um we’re we’re monitoring who we engage when we develop plans, who is involved in our consultation. um and trying to make sure that we reach a a more diverse audience and that we’re hearing from all of the people that we’d like to be in the city. So brief overview chairman and very happy to answer any questions. Are we on? Thank you very much for that. Very interesting. Now um John Edwards you’ve um given us notice of cutting a couple of questions. So please why don’t you go ahead and then I can see some names down here. Um thank you chair. Um yeah, I I have no problem with the substantial um nature of the report. Samantha’s great. Um but some details that I need some work. First one’s on the cargo bikes. So my question is who is actually responsible for this? Because I sent round to every every business in my ward the offer from GLA to pay a£700 subsidy to car if they wanted to take a cargo bike on. And one of the businesses near me did all the paperwork, responded, correspondence initially was fine. Then everything just stopped. It went dead and and nothing happened. So, um, my question is, who’s responsible for for for this cargo bike subsidy? Is it is it is it I know the GLA put the money up, but can we get can we take that over because it’s it’s actually counterproductive to offer something, start communication, and then get it shut down. I I I it just it’s just not right. Doesn’t look good. Um now the second issue which is related to the uh proposed healthy streets plans. So again this is on the periphery of the transport but it’s in the report. Um I’ve got an issue with two of them and I’m well aware committee this is going to come straight back to me in street and walkway so that’s absolutely fine. Um the first one’s on the barban and golden lane. Um there’s some detail on Fan Street, but there’s absolutely no mention of of of improving the public access from Fan Street to the uh Golden Lane Sports Center, which we’re about to spend 10 million pounds of public money for uh on the behalf of all the residents and and workers in the city. This this is going to be the sports center for the city. wasn’t really the sports um board’s first choice, but that’s where we are. We’re spending 10 million on Golden Lane. It’s it’s buried in a private estate, which is not good, but that’s where we are. We need to get access to it to the public. And right now the only access from fan street which is facing um the south which is the direction of travel of most people who would go to it from the city is via a an underpass that goes through a car park and next to a rubbish collection and it’s a dingy place and and and most people wouldn’t even go down there and the signage is poor. So what we whatever we do with Fan Street, we have to fix the access to the Golden Lane Recreation Center, which is for everybody. And and and I just find it somewhat annoying that we we quite happily take section 278 money from businesses to fix the public realm around their buildings. John John, just a reminder, this is questions, okay, for their benefit. But we seem to miss our own our own investments. I mean I I mean we should be dealing with um improving the public realm access around our own investments such as the Golden Lane Center and another another one is is the um Riverside area healthy streets that makes no mention in the Magnus House exercise area. it it it it should mention it and we and we should tune the public realm to to bring people to these places that we’re actually spending our money. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, John. I don’t know who’s going to answer that. There are two essentially questions. One about cargo bikes and one about a disconnect between our um I feel like operational plans for for health and wellbeing and our plans for our streets. Uh thank you, chairman. Um the first question around the cargo bikes. Uh this is part of a network and a mayor’s air quality fund. That’s correct. Um funding grants for businesses. I know there’s a limited number in each round of bidding. Um and I will follow up with you after the meeting what’s happened with that particular applicant. Um but there are there are there is a limit to how many um businesses are successful in each round but that obviously should be communicated correctly. Thank you Bruce. Thank you. Yeah. So just to pick up on Oh sorry by the way just for officers if it’s the first time you’ve spoken not everyone will know who you are. So it might be helpful to introduce ourselves. Certainly. Yes. Good point. Um so I’m Bruce McBain. I’m the assistant director for transport and public realm policy and projects. Um so um John thank you for the questions on Fan Street and Riverside. I’ll just pick those up. So um you’ll recall there was quite a bit of discussion around this point at streets and walkways last time when we bought an improvement scheme for greening uh part of Fan Street to that. So um as with that we committed then to look at the wayfinding and the signage from Fan Street to direct people into the estate into the Golden Lane estate so they can at least find their the start of their journey towards the leisure center. Um the healthy streets plan doesn’t cover um private estates which the Golden Lane estate is. So the other improvements that would be needed on that route once you’ve turned off Van Street down will be picked up I assume as part of the uh wider works around the um leisure center refurbishment. But we’re very happy to pick up and and obviously have those discussions with the team that’s involved with that. Um and then just on Riverside. Yes. So, um there’s some just so all members aware, there’s some um exercise equipment due to be installed uh down on the riverside. That’s that’s not included in this delivery plan because it’s a project that is led by the sports strategy team. Um albeit we are supporting them with project management support for that. But um uh very happy to kind of make sure that in the future we pick up those wider wider projects that have an impact on the public realm uh as part of um future iterations of the plan. Thank you. Uh I’ve noticed there’s a bit of a delay in the mics coming on. Um anyway, um thank you for that, Bruce. Um I’ve got several other people um in line who and I’ll take you in order that I saw you. Let me just though um maybe it’s helpful for the committee. this transport this paper on the transport strategy is an update essentially on on on delivery against the plan. The plan uh went through full consultation and was signed off by streets and walkway. So I would just guide you this isn’t really an opportunity to kind of relitigate the entire strategy but it is an opportunity to ask against the delivery uh of us against that strategy. Um Allison G. Thank you chair. Um obviously we’ve made good progress in certain areas but the one that’s really outstanding is the freight uh during peak hours and I just feel that really falls very neatly under the planning part of our committee which is that we should be doing some more on our planning conditions about the way in which freight is coming into the city for the projects that we know about in the city and that they should be timed outside of those peak hours. Um secondly, so that’s a question. The second point is about cycling, which again is brilliant that it’s so much more increased and I totally applaud that. But there are still some infrastructure areas where cycling is poorly visible, very perceived to be dangerous, such as the Queen Street shared space. There’s a also the area off Lower Chem Street. And really, since we’re making such progress on cycling, could we please look at those areas? And they may not be the only ones. They may not be the priority ones. I know we need to be led by data on where collisions take place, but could we please look at those? And finally, just on carbon uh and the climate action strategy, it sort of gets tangentially mentioned, I I would like it to have been more more center of the annual report, but bearing in mind that’s so so much of a golden thread through all our work. Thank you. Thank you, Allison. I I I’ll maybe pose those as for noting. Um Liz King, you’re next. Thank you, chair. Um, I notice on page six, paragraph 19, you talk about the location for 800 additional uh ebikes and e scooter higher parking. And I applaud all the increase in um cycling that is going on, but how does that compare to the increased demand? and what is the total number of um ebike parking spaces in the city versus the total rides per day just to see how we’re keeping up with that demand. Thanks. Um thank you chairman. The the number of spaces we’re delivering uh I think in the end we’ll have about 1,500 by the end of this year. it it is the demand for travel does outstrip the demand the ability to apply parking space. Um however the work with the operators is about them managing and moving bikes if necessary uh which is what Santandere have to do with their bikes or the TFL Santandere managers. So that’s why it’s important that we have a good working relationship over the next 18 months and we are also um eagerly awaiting new legislation which allows us to be much tougher if the operators don’t don’t comply with uh reasonable activity. Do we have any actual numbers on total spaces that we have and total rides per day currently? will total spaces um yes we do I mean that that’s the 1500 figure that I’m I’ve quoted will have by the end of this year um we do have some information we are getting information from the operators um so we will have monthly figures on the number of trips but that is information that we can we can share with the committee and have have uh done previously with streets and walkways and can continue to Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for the question, Liz. I have um Philip Kelvin next. Thank you very much, chair. Um thank you very much for the report. And again, I’m a bit too tall for this. I know. I was going to say if it’s easier, I think Are we okay? I’m sure. May I sit? Thank you. If you’re tall, the microphones are a bit short. The end of the bent double. Um thank you very much for the report again. Um and it’s quite clear with the statistics around the increase in cycling. I am also uh a cyclist. So, um I’m certainly not against that at all. I think what slightly worries me and you pick on various different parts of it um in the report is that we’ve got the rise of ebikes. Um we’ve also got the decline of cars. We also have the rise in the city of London police who are tackling illegal ebikes and scooters. I think previously transport was focused very much on cars versus non-cars. But I think that when we now look at the situation of what medium of travel people choose actually pedestrians I think are in their own category because of the rise of things like ebikes um which especially the illegal ones which we’re not going to completely stamp out. I’m I’m sure are dangerous I think as everyone in the committee knows. So when we look at the updates you’ve given on for example the St. Paul’s um uh kind of redevelopment around the walkways and a number of other healthy streets etc. It’s quite clear in the images you have there that those are shared spaces between cycles and pedestrians. It does quite worry me in those big areas there that essentially you’ll have a ton of ebikes that will be traversing through these spaces where also pedestrians will be trying to uh trying to also use. And I wonder if you’ve given any thought into if we think about the future direction of travel, a significantly more increase in cycling in the next, you know, few years by the time St. Paul’s Geratory comes into effect that actually we’re going to have a ton of ebikes swerving in between uh pedestrians in these new areas and whether actually we should have designated cycle lanes within these walkways or actually if they should be potentially even no cycle zones in the cycle should use the designated uh cycle ways on the road. for example. Thank you. Yeah. So, um just to clarify on St. Paul’s, um the square itself is a pedestrianized space. There’s no cycling through the square uh or there will be no cycling through the new square at St. Paul. So, it’s not a shared um space for it. And I guess just in broader terms, I know Queen Street was mentioned before um that um generally now if we are looking to introduce cycle facilities um in as part of projects and um Thread Needle Street and Bank is a good example of this as is Old Gate Square um we generally now looking to provide um the actual kind of cycle tracks through there with steps and curbs and and the rest of it as well. So that that space is clearly delineated rather than being shared spaces themselves. uh for it. But I think on the general point, yes, you’re absolutely right and we, you know, we’re doing this through the transport strategy and through the uh work we’re doing with the police and with TFL around safety as well is as the nature of what how our streets are used changes, we obviously need to change the focus of things like um safer behavior campaigns and those kinds of things for Go ahead, Philip. You’re fine. Thank Thank you for your response there. I think I would encourage uh I would encourage you to uh look at alternative cycling facilities rather than just saying it’s a no cycle zone because quite frankly as you can see in a place outside the city towards the strand which are now pedestrianized there may be no cycling. I can assure you there are plenty of there’s plenty of cycling through there. So I think uh it’ be great to take that under adisement. Thank you. Um so just so the commission I’ve got um Matthew um Anthony Manchester and Madush up. Oh Deborah Oliver as well. In fact Deborah I think you’re and Marian as well. Um I’m going to take and Henry I’m going to just ask of all of those. Has anyone got a question specifically the same or on the same topic because you may want to just try and take these topics in the round in which case if you can you can jump the queue Anthony. Thank you very much. Um and congratulations chair on your election. Um just to ask officers, are there any um statistics available on enforcement action taken by the police against um cyclists in respect of the highway code and and how does that track compared to the increase in numbers that we’ve seen? And any more questions again on this topic else? Mush, you go ahead because then you can answer them all in one go offices. Um perfect. Thank you, chair. Um we talk a lot about ebikes. Um, I’m a cyclist. I cycle everywhere every day, 20 times a day. What we don’t talk about is an absence, a lack of cycled parking spaces for normal bicycles. You know, I detest ebikes. I think it’s a lazy thing to get on an ebike rather than a bicycle. Um, there are plenty of normal cyclists in the world, much more than there are ebike um cyclists, but there is an absolute deficit of parking spaces for normal bicycles. uh and it feels like our policies are a little bit myopic in this space whilst Thank you chair. Thank you madish. I now go to officers to um answer those questions. Thank you chairman. Um the number the police activity is in included in the report. There’s over 2,000 actions that police have taken uh against people cycling about poor behavior and that is a mixture of fines and um uh sending them on to uh training programs depending on the nature of the activity. Um they also do seize the any bikes that are illegal um and that that is a zero tolerance approach. Um we have seen in terms of how many uh how many actions there are the police are very sensibly targeting their approach to where they they enforce to get the where they know the biggest problems are. So it’s not necessarily related to the the overall numbers we’re seeing but they target the worst junctions um where we see the the the biggest violations. Thank you. and the number of private uh new private parking spaces 146 cycles. Um I think that part of the slides I showed was actually that we have more the increase in cycling has is represented by private cycles um more as a higher proportion of that increase than u ebikes so or higher cycles um just to put it in context. Thank you. I’m just checking that the question is Phil that the questions are answered. I think they look content. Very good. Um, next up, Matthew Waters. Thank you. Stand up. Okay. Good morning. Thank you, chair. Uh, my first committee meeting. Um, my question um in my ward Langorn uh many people complain that they um cannot get taxes. Um looking at the report and the uh significant reduction um considerably ahead of plan in the reduction of motor vehicles. Um does do the officers have any concerns that some of the traffic measures are proving too effective? Um I no I don’t think so. Um I think we have a very clear strategic direction that we need to give more space and priority to people walking and wheeling and that reflects the way that our streets are used and it also I think reflects the fact that to an extent we’re playing catchup given the the the historic and the full upcoming uh growth in the number of people walking in the city. Um just in terms of taxis um members will be aware that we’re about to um in July we’ll be starting an experiment to allow taxis uh through Bank Junction. So we’ll see whether that makes a change in the numbers uh in the city. We’ve also allowed them through other restrictions where other vehicles aren’t allowed such as on cheap side uh for that as well. Um I think the other thing just to bear in mind is that um there has been a very significant reduction in the number of both licensed taxis and licensed taxi drivers. Uh and that’s an ongoing trend that’s been uh going on for a long time now. And the mayor has just published a new taxi action plan as part of the way to try and tackle that. Um, but I think I I I believe that the part of the reason we’re seeing fewer numbers of taxis on our streets is because there are just fewer taxis in central London in and in London as a whole rather than as an impact of the changes that we’re making. Okay. Can I ask again? Um so um I guess to follow up the question that there is no concern around migration of people around the city um in terms of moving from one part of of the area to another using anything other therefore than feet or cycles. Um, no. I think if people need to get to where they need to get to, they can get there. And we, um, even when we restrict access to particular streets, will always allow access to the premises on those streets as well. So, no, I don’t think there is. Thank you, officers, and thank you for your question, Matthew. Um, Henry Pollard, and then I’ll come to you Deborah. Thank you, chair. Um just one a point of information I suppose maybe a question to the officer who mentioned in her introduction of uh working in conjunction with the bids. Um could you just let me let us know how informative that is and whether they uh work from the beginning whether they pay anything in towards any of the projects that we do and take any credit for anything that is completed. Thank you. Yes. Uh mo most I think all the bids are very constructive in the way they approach working with us. Um we have early good discussions with them. Um and and help shape priorities in in terms of what we’re delivering. Uh and I’m I’m aware that in city cluster the bid the bid has put some money towards some of the projects that are being delivered there. So that that is uh is is potentially uh can happen anywhere. Can I just ask is is there a paper that we can see as members of what that relationship looks like? Um yes, I think there’s been various papers going to other committees around our relationship with the bids. But let me take that away and have a have a conversation with the officers who who who um uh manage our relationship with them and see what we can do around that. Thank you. Um Deborah Oliver. Ah sorry the mic’s quite far away for you. Thanks and Philip I am standing. It might be not immediately obvious. Um it was about the Golden Lane Leisure Center. I am actually uh a member and I wanted to thank first of all Deputy Lord for overseeing the sports strategy which uh had the happy outcome for some of us that the Golden Lane Leisure Center will have a 10 million investment. Um just to be aware that there is a consultation that’s been taking place uh on the the sort of residents views of the the proposed uh refurbishment and I very much hope that accessibility will be considered as part of that. But contrary to deputy edwards views you can access the leisure center from the south from steps from fan street. You can also access it from Godwell Road from steps and also from the east you can there’s pedestrian access from um Golden Lane. So I do hope that when we are looking at that that center we can as deputy Edwards has said look at accessibility particularly for people that might not be able to manage the steps. Thank you. Thank you Deborah. Sorry. Uh just checking. No, no officers wanted to speak on that. So, John, thank you, chair. Um let’s not go on too much detail, but the steps of a private property sign, you’re actually trespassing if you use those steps. Thank you. Why don’t we take that one offline because I think that’s quite a technical conversation we can have. Um but but but noted, Deborah. Um Marian Frederick’s. Thank you, Chair. Um can I ask are we monitoring um thank you uh river traffic in terms of visitors using black fries although tower pier is just outside the city it’s a major um hub um are we monitoring that um if not why not um and how can we ensure that that feeds into our destination city as it’s a it’s a key route for visitors to actually arrive in the city but my main question was about the gate and black fry cycle way and we had extensive uh discussions at streets of walkways which is in the draft minutes of our papers today and that was around the floating bus islands and the impact that has on people who are partially cited or with disabilities and as it’s been pointed out the increase of cycling is only going to keep increasing. Um, we have traffic islands, floating bus stops at the moment causing problems, meaning our city is not accessible for certain parts of the community and we are proposing to introduce further floating bus stops, although there was an assurance given at streets and walkways that officers um would review the final design having met with interested groups. Um but I I but I wonder you know where are we in terms of ensuring we have an accessible city a safe city that everyone can enjoy and what can we do to resolve the current problems with the floating bus stops given that the increase of cycling is only going to make the matter far worse. Thank you chairman officers question on the usability of the river. Yeah. So, um any stats that we would get on, um river usage by passengers would come from TfL. So the only thing that we’re tracking it in at the moment is through that London travel demand um data um uh that Samantha showed in the presentation but um very happy to take away and have a conversation with TfL what else we can get from that because the London travel demand survey is excellent but it only um is answered by London residents and I’m conscious that a lot of people who use the river will not be London residents. So, let me take that away and see what we can get from TFL on river usage and what historic data they’ve got uh for it as well. And just to say that I know that TfL are working on a new crossing at Black Friars which will improve um accessibility and connectivity for that um pier into the city. Um just on floating bus stops. Yeah. So just um so all members are aware these this is where you have a bus stop on a cycle track uh where the waiting area for the bus stop is on the kind of traffic side of the um cycle track. So if you need to uh get to the bus stop you have to cross over the cycle track uh to get it usually uh with a zebra crossing uh there. All uh floating bus stops that are currently in the city are on TfL’s network and I know that TfL have a piece of work to look at upgrading uh any that don’t meet current uh guidance and standards around those uh for it. There’s a couple of those uh in the city that I know that they’re they’re looking at as part of that program uh for it. Um the uh the ones that we have proposed as part of the old gate to Black Fryers cycle route are on Queen Victoria Street and Old Gate as well. Um we’ve uh did a consultation on that cycle route um uh in the spring and that um the next report on that and the next decisions around that will be coming to streets and walkways in July. Um so not the next meeting, the meeting after that. Uh and before that meeting, we’re arranging a briefing for members of streets and walkways so that they can hear from all of the different groups uh different groups of uh users of our streets around um the issues uh around and some of the challenges around bus stop bypasses but also some of the challenges that if we don’t have them in terms of them interrupting um safe cycle routes and making those routes less safe people as well. So, we’re uh in the process arranging that and and now that we know uh who the new members of streets and walkways are, we can finalize the date um uh for that as well. But that will that will definitely be in in time for you to have a fully informed um session before any decisions taken on that cycle route. Thank you, Bruce. And I think at the beginning you said there you there’ll be a component of that is written response to Marian. So that would be great. Thank you. I finally then on this item have Jasp Hodgson. Thank you chair. Um I’m just drawing upon on the report it mentioned about the need for strong collaboration with TfL. I just wanted to understand a bit more on the nature of that relationship. just in the past when I’ve had some issues in my ward there’s kind of been a scramble to find the right contact and it’s not really kind of seemed quite clear and then when I’ve spoken to other members that have been on the committee much longer than me they’ve expressed that there’s been generally much closer relationship in the past so what I want to know is what’s the relationship like at the moment and what steps are we doing to try and improve that relationship thank you I wonder maybe Ian Hughes if you want to answer this one and do introduce So I I almost got away thank without that. Thank you. Thank you, chair. Congratulations, chair. Um for those of you who don’t know me, my name is Ian Hughes. Um I am uh director of city operations for our streets and spaces. It’s the um transport and public realm team that from my side who’ve been answering your questions today. Um our um relationship with TfL has to be a constructive one and um we have ebbed and flowed over the lifetime of transport for London. Um and I think we are we are in a good place at the moment with them. They have a number of funding challenges that makes their life much harder than it used to be. That’s postcoid the number of um people moving around on the transport network is lower than it used to be. That affect directly affects their income. So we are in the position of helping them prioritize the works that they like to do in and around the city. But obviously we’re also competing against their demands on their road network um on the wider part of London. Um we are here to help you raise questions with transport for London. Um it’s through us that we have worked hard to work out where to try and pitch which question at which problem at what level within TfL. Um like every major um local government organization TfL are just going through yet another restructure. So some of that is changing. Um but we do that for you and we try as hard as we can to find that right person and be as constructive as possible about these things. I’ll just say that um we have had very constructive quarterly meetings between the chair of this committee and senior staff at TfL so that if problems can’t be resolved at an operational level, there is a strategic level meeting that we have. Uh now the new chair is in place, we’ll be looking to make sure those meetings continue um through the rest of the year. And if you say you have particular questions and we understand sometimes it’s complicated about what’s their responsibility and what’s ours then come to us and we’ll find their own home for it. Chair, thank you. Okay. Um colleagues, thank you for all those um really helpful questions and officers for those answers. We’re being asked just I think to note this item today. Um so we will duly do that. We’re now moving on to item eight which is the Smithfield market brief. This is going to be taken uh without a presentation. taken as red. Matthew, I did have a question which I think Matthew’s unfortunately not here. So, that will be taken by email and sent back to him. I’m going to take a couple of questions. Jackie and John, um I’m just uh I just wanted to query uh 17 risk. Um I’m just really keen to uh make sure that we are not on a back foot with the comms uh around this particular planning brief. Um and just sort of an indication of of how that com the comms will work so that it’s very robust and very strategic in terms of its messaging around the consultation. Um so that was around risk and then a a a question that forms part of that is around the governance. Um there are going to be an enormous number of stakeholders um in in this uh consultation and it would just be helpful to understand how will the team create serious oversight and input uh to developing the thinking that reflects multiple perspectives um in this brief. Thank you. Thank you Jackie Gwyn. Sorry my my name’s Gwin Richards, planning and development director. So on the comms, we um we hope to get a uh initial draft to planning and transportation committee in probably the end of Q3, Q4. Um that would be then um passed on to a wider public consultation which we hope will come to fruition in spring of next year. Um we will share details of that consultation in that report to planning and transportation so members can be then assured and comforted that it’s as wide and robust as can be. Um in terms of governance, this this planning brief will be brought back to this committee um to assess that. So this committee will have um um uh be able to rigorously assess the planning brief and its implications. Um and then it’ll be the subject of planning um public consultation. Thanks John. Uh thank you chairman. Um this is not my question. It’s from Matthew. Um, Matthew’s question concerns the cultural strategy for the surrounding area, a Smithfield market. And his concern is that by attempting a planning brief for the market building before knowing what the planning brief is for the area, you know, we may be getting things the wrong way around. Um, and and he and he he’s he’s really basically concerned about the cultural mile framework for the area and thinks that should be done before we do the building to keep everything consistent rather than Thank you, chair. So this is a supplementary planning document which effectively translates the policies within the local plan to this specific site. So this the the the main hook for this is the um Smithfield and and Barban um key area of change. It sets out um the key policy um approach for this area. We are translating this onto this site. So planning briefs just for members’s information is quite a common tool across London and other local planning authorities. um it’s identifying major sites or very sensitive sites which require that level of um um further detail of policy application and we think the Smithfield market site is one such area um intrinsically because of its heritage value and um and the key area of change which is very much focused on the market and so on. Um but obviously we would take into account other strategies that the city corporation have as well in in in forming the brief. Thanks, Gwen. Uh, William Upton, thank you. And indeed, uh, congratulations on the new chairmanship. I had a question about the the red line because it’s narrowly drawn around the buildings and then a rather peculiar bit of the ratunda. So, it has this sort of, you know, fall almost. I want to make sure that the planning that happens for what is the future of this area is going to be pretty broad and the public realm is included. uh can you make sure or perhaps give an indication of how broad the brief was going to cover because it can’t surely be limited to that red line. Um and I’m not sure if the indication in the local plan of the sort of planning area is is what you’re going to be relying on. Um how broadly can you draw this? And I know you’re trying to do this at pace because you’re going to come back to us this year. Um surely that the starting point needs to be broader than the red line. Thank you. I mean what I would suggest is that you don’t look at this red line in isolation. The red line denotes the Smithfield Market um building and the the subterranean. Obviously we will take into account the interface between this red line and the surrounding area. We thought having a planning brief covering that entire area was um overly um ownorous. Um a lot of those sites are listed for example and the there isn’t any scope for comprehensive redevelopment that would justify um increasing the red line beyond the perimeter of the market building. Um but we will take into account its interface with those immediate areas consent. William it sounds like you could draw it more widely. Um I think it has to be clear that what is happening in the surrounding areas. It’s one of the great difficulties of all planning applications. You just look at the red line. Surely we have the ability and control of more than this red line. And um and I think it really ought to have I suppose an additional consideration. I really would ask the officers to think about how much broader it could be. um because the public realm around there is going to be critical to its success and we are in control of most of that as I understood. Well, we are control of most of it obviously as Lincoln is to the north which is an added complication which would require cross um board. There is also a public realm strategy that would be shared um with this committee in due course as that’s developed. Um I do take the point. Um but I would urge you not to look at that red line as a strict red line. We would be very um holistic in the application of the brief to that entire area. Thank you. And I think Edward, did you have a question? Yes, chair. Thank you. Thank you very much. Um and I’m I’m delighted to see this. I mean obviously as one of the ward members with will for this area um it is something which is taxing us and our constituents um but I would um encourage as will has done us to look at it holistically um I think what I what I’m slightly nervous about you Gwyn has just mentioned the fact there is going to be a public realm um brief done separately. I think we’ve got to make sure that they actually work in tandem. Um and you our stakeholders all of them um all our constituents will be looking for something which provokes uh a active engaged um and interesting future for the whole of the Smithfield area. Um what we don’t want to do is to tie the planning brief and the public realm brief to in in separate ways. Thank you. Thank you. That was quite similar to Matthew Bill’s question in advance. That’s quite helpful. Um maybe just briefly and then we’ll move to approval. Precisely. It’s absolutely essential. They’re all both integrated and talked to each other and developed in in tandem. Yes indeed. Um thank you. That was a good and helpful conversation around item eight which we’re now going to move to approve. There being no disscent uh we will approve it. Moving on then to an item item nine in your packs. Now this is on page 41 onwards. building control charges report. This will be taken as read. Um Allison Gman, apologies if I didn’t give notice. Um obviously we need these sort of services, statutory services to pay their way, but I am concerned to know really what the metrics and the service level agreements are for the work that’s being done. um some anecdotal, some hard data about how long it does take particularly for residents to get building control and the building safety regulator um approval for works that are going to be done. And if they hear and that’s something like six months to get that sort of approval when they’re doing something in their own residence. And it seems to me that then putting up the price which maybe we need to do uh should really be justified uh in terms of what that is going to actually achieve for the customers for our residents at the end of the day who will be taking this service. So I wonder if we do have any metrics as to how the current work of the uh building control department works, how it’s received, what feedback, what satisfaction levels there are before we just uh agree to another further increase of this kind. Thank you. Thank you. Um I think the district surveyor can take that. Good morning, chair. Um yes, I’m Gordon Roy. I’m the district surveyor. So I look after building control and civil engineering and environmental resilience team. Um the the comments that you’ve just made about the residents particularly in the Barbin uh are outside our control. They’re actually uh there’s three ways of getting building control approval or building regulation approval. One is through ourselves uh as being a local authority function. Secondly is through the private sector and there’s about 80 private sector uh building control approvers out there. And second and lastly, if you are in a building which has two residential units and has a floor greater than 18 m, you now have to go to the building safety regulator. And that process particularly around barbin is taking exceedingly uh long’s time. It is outside our control but we are trying nationally to work with the regulator to try and improve that. Very recently I have been given consent by the regulator that those applications that they received particularly for a barbec uh once they have gone through a validation process will now be allocated to my building control team to do the rest of the function in collaboration with the regulator. So hopefully that 6 weeks and the longer period of time will start to decrease very quickly once we I think we’ve got five in so far and hopefully that we will be able to get that done a lot more quicker than the regulator has but it’s out that part of it was outside of our control. Um but these fees and functions are just to be if you like costneutral um and we’re trying to just make sure that we cover our own costs. Go back. Yeah, thank you very much. I’m pleased to hear that and understand that uh dichotomy of of approvals. Is there a report that we receive annually or or something about your work? So, we understand you know the volume, the feedback from people that have have had your service um and the long length of time it takes as I asked earlier. Thank you. Yes, we would normally come back with that report in July once we’ve got all our financial uh for the financial year all the statistics. So, we’ll be back in July with that report. Thank you, Gordon. Uh, Gabby Robert Shaw, uh, I was very pleased to hear about the undertaking that you’ve got for the Barbin. Golden Lane Estate next door is just going through a massive HRB registration. Could you please ensure the same applies to the residents of Golden Lane Estate? They have no idea what’s going to hit them at the moment. We we over the last few weeks we’ve we’ve started negotiations with the regulator um to try and help the situation, but I understand there’s a lot of conversations going on last week. So hopefully over the next few weeks you might hear some some news about that. Thank you very much. Thank you Gordon. Thank you very much. Um I’m going to move this then to um decide on uh are we okay to approve it? that just for clarity it’s the top of page 47 option three we’re being asked to approve happy agreed moving on item 10 discontinuence of the city walkway you can find that in your packs on page 87 onwards um this is another report for decision but we’re going to take it with as read without a presentation I’m going to open it up straight away to questions thank you chair um we we don’t need to present don’t worry uh do we We have any questions? It doesn’t look like it. Can we therefore approve? Agreed. Thank you very much. Now, the remaining items were originally starred on our agenda. Just so members who are new know when we star items that means we won’t discuss them in the meeting. Members can in advance of a meeting ask me to unstar an item because it might be because you have a question. And Julie, item 11, the quarterly public lift and escalator report. Uh we have been asked to unstar and I believe there’s a question Marian. Thank you. Um it’s in regards to the tower public place lift. Um there are two lifts um near the tower car park but one is privately owned and one is run by us. And I know myself that it was out for a very long time which meant people couldn’t get down into the car park. They had to walk all the way around and then go down the ramp through the car park entrance. Um, I know we’ve resolved it, but it was out for a considerable amount of time. And so I want to understand what lessons we’ve learned to ensure that we can quickly resolve these issues rather than have them out for months on end. And and equally another issue I will rise about lifts. Um, we have over the years granted planning consents and part of the public benefit has been a public lift which allows people into, for example, halfway down into Mansion House Tube Station and down a flight of stairs by Fenturch Street Place uh, into Hart Street. These lifts are operated by the building and therefore they’re not fully public. They’re private. The lift at Fen Church Street Place, you cannot access it unless you ring up a number and asked to use it, which really renders it useless. Equally, with the lift at Mansion House, that lift has been taken out of action by the exit being gated off. Now I realize that’s been done because of the ongoing rough sleeping issue that’s been there. But if we are going to secure via um planning consents public benefits for a scheme which includes lists or accessible entrances, I’m really keen to ensure that we make sure they are accessible, they are completely um used and they’re not just something that after a while fades away, locks up and we’re back to square one again. I’m really keen to see an accessible city, especially in this day and age. Um, and therefore, I think we need to be mindful of design, but ensuring that we learn the lessons and as soon as they’re broken down, we get them up and running. There’s a lot of people actually who do rely on these lifts, and it really is a barrier to their free movement around the city. Uh, just to briefly introduce myself, I’m uh, Matt Baker, assistant director of facilities management. I can certainly ask your answer your first question. I don’t know someone else who might be able to have the second part of the question but um to give you I guess some assurance in the first instance that the uh the specific lift and the issue with the phone line and the automated phone line those are checked and it’s an automated system that’s checked daily. Um the issue specifically around um to place public lift was a speaker box which the issue was identified during the the monthly service visit was conducted um was taken out of service returned to then replace that speaker box when the issue was then identified on the phone line which took some time to rectify with the phone line provider who aren’t a a supplier of us. Um forunately subsequently when it was brought back into service there was an electric fault with the lift when it was being reinstated. So I do I think this is a I guess a specific specific issue with this lift where um I guess there aren’t necessary lessons to be learned from that other than you know the quicker we can get something rectified the better. Um but yeah I think um the as I said the automated line is is checked on a daily basis um which enables us to get someone to site to rectify the issue as quickly as possible. I think we will continue to have the issue of you know public lifts that are out open to the elements um and used by the public can be you know be quite poorly used but I think over the last 12 months with the the investment in the public lifts that we’ve had uh and the continued maintenance that’s conducted on those lift we have seen a marked improvement in that but you know absolutely take your point around the the the importance of the availability of these lifts um and we’ll certainly you know you know continue to monitor them conduct the month monthly service visits to ensure that those lifts remain available. I think that answers your question. And Gwin, there was another half I think on the planning side of that. I think we’ve all learned a lot of lessons from the ventured street issue. So even um any new lift at the moment in any new development is subject to plan a legal agreement under the section 106 to ensure it’s continued maintenance um to to uh so we we’ve learned the lesson from that particular case which is very old permission. Just just one um for members benefit they might be interested to know that Auburn gate 125 or gate which has been continually um brought up at this at this committee. I’ve had um in the last couple of days notification from collers who are the managing agent at 125 orgate that they are about to commence an 18-month program to to to um renovate and repair those those escalators. So I will continually um update the committee as and when they provide updates to me as well so we can uh hopefully see those backward in service. Thank you. Marin you happy? Yeah content. Very good. In which case um that’s for information only. Item 12 also for information the draft minutes from streets and walkways. We’ll note those. Um item 13 of action taken. That’s for noting too. Item 14, questions relating to the uh the work of this committee. I’m not aware of any questions that were sent in. I’m looking around now. In which case, any other business? Um we had the late paper circulated. Just one other piece of business. Um Historic England had just announced two a new or two new co-CEOs um who will be taking over in October. I happen to know that my chair board that they’re both on. Um, and I just will be writing to them to congratulate them on their appointment. And I would wonder if the committee would mind if I did that in in in all of your names as well. Good. Okay. Thank you very much. Moving on to item 16, exclusion of the public. Thank you, chair. Are members content? Excluded the public. Are we content? I think we’re content. Thank you very much to the public who came. Bear with me because Okay. Do we have to physic Oh, they’re being uh removed.