How American media tries to paint London’s win as a loss.
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Video Chapters:
0:00 Hook and Intro
2:43 What is a congestion charge?
3:36 How the congestion charge works
4:24 How the congestion charge reduced traffic in London
5:34 Did the congestion charge improve the air quality?
7:13 Where does all the money from the congestion charge go?
7:51 NYC has a problem…
9:00 The Low Emission Zone (LEZ) and ULEZ and their effects in London
9:44 Does the congestion charge disproportionately hurt the lower class?
12:12 Does the congestion charge hurt business?
13:36 Driving culture vs walking culture
15:07 Why the congestion charge might fail in New York
19:12 A note about car infrastructure within cities
20:15 SPON
21:47 Conclusion
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I honestly don’t understand the “walking into multiple shops when they’re very close together”
What are y’all buying in these shops that you can just carry all over the place?
I think CBS NY could be suffering from a quite common form of confirmation bias
Since poor people are more likely to use mass transit, they will benefit the most from improvements to mass transit funded by the congestion charge. Drivers for whom the congestion charge is significant will find alternatives in order to avoid it, such as the aforementioned improved mass transit system, taking a different route, making fewer trips, walking, biking, scootering, or carpooling, or traveling outside the congestion pricing window. This leaves the people for whom the congestion charge is not significant to pay for mass transit improvements, lower congestion (better driving), lower pollution, and increased safety and quality of life for residents, which to me sounds fair.
1 of the unfortunate differences between London & NY is that NY’s subway is geared to getting riders into Manhattan, ie the central business district. However, getting between, say, Brooklyn & Queens is still very difficult by mass transit. Whereas in London you can get from almost any point-to-point place within the wider London metro area via subway/train
America's chief traffic problem is caused by the land use policies that are in place in most municipalities. We need a few state supreme courts to rule that zoning regulations are a violation of the Takings Clause unless they have a bona fide health and safety rationale.
As for the Wettex/Swedish Dishcloths, stateside Costco has sold them for at least a year or two.
I live in NYC and we already pay $17 toll to enter the city, no matter which way you enter, and as far I know London doesn't have any tolled bridges around them, if so it's not $17, now the only way the leave manhattan to NJ, that's free is the Goerge Washington Bridge, leaving through Staton Island you pay $9 toll to the MTA, they tolled all streets that connects to the bridges and tunnels from the FDR and the west side, in short, if you don't want to pay, you can go around, in NYC you're screwed in almost every way you enter or exit the city
And in London it's free at night, and and in NYC you still pay at night, showing that it's only a money grab cuz the mta already gets billions of dollars
Let the plebians walk like they are meant to.
I cannot think of anything more pointless than driving a car in London
All I'm going to say is this: you can charge drivers however much you like, but if refuse to tackle the rampant crazy behavior of passengers on NYC public transportation, people will still find a way to use it as little as possible.
The oil and auto lobbies fight progress so hard, with money, marketing, and propaganda. As long as corporations are legally people in the US, transportation progress will be slow and hard fought.
Last month's commute to/from NYC on MTA express buses has been great. Less traffic, fewer delays along FDR.
I agree with everything you said EXCEPT, as someone with a retail sales background, there’s a lot of New Yorkers that come to North Jersey to shop because clothing and footwear is tax-exempt! That’s why there are 4 big malls in Bergen County alone, 2 of which are in Paramus and 2 of which are extremely accessible from Route 4 (a straight shot off of the GW Bridge). And there’s American Dream in East Rutherford with all the Nickelodeon World.
One of the disclaimers about congestion pricing is that is requires adequate mass transit infrastructure to work otherwise it is just beating on drivers. For Manhattan, it can definitely work since there is a ton of infrastructure leading through and around it. That said, once you leave Manhattan, the rest of the city infrastructure is wanting at best. If you want to go north or south in bklyn and Queens, good luck. If you want to mass transit around SI, also good luck. Once you leave NYC in general, that car becomes a lot less optional. Still, Manhattan is very much a tourist and commercial capital and will never handle the cars people are trying to drive into it.
🤦♂️ stop comparing countries and cities…. The phucking US is massive compared to all the countries people keep comparing it to. It’s not the same, not even by a little bit.
Walking is great for able-bodied people If you are unable to bike or walk (more than a few feet), charging the handicapped more seems unfair to me.
You have the worst commute time in the world how does that work
For walkable places in NJ, Jersey City and Hoboken as Vision Zero role models. Hoboken has experienced zero traffic deaths since 2017. Hoboken adopted a Vision Zero plan in 2021 after an executive order by Mayor Ravi Bhalla in 2019, and since then, they've been doing things like daylighting intersections with flexible posts or rain gardens, creating curb extensions to reduce crossing distances and improve visibility, and painting high-visibility crosswalks. In 2023 alone, Hoboken installed 78 daylighted intersections, 61 high-visibility crosswalks, 1 raised crosswalk, 9 curb extensions, and 14 multi-way stops. They also reduced the speed limit from 25 mph to 20 mph in 2022. In 2021, Hoboken had 21 pedestrian injuries, 18 cyclist injuries, and 51 motorist injuries. Compare these injuries and the zero fatalities to the Crown Heights in Brooklyn in 2021, Crown Heights had three fatalities, and over 400 injuries in total! To combat flooding, as a response to Hurricane Sandy, Hoboken turned to a Dutch firm, Office for Metropolitan Architecture in Rotterdam, to create a design that won a contest sponsored by then President Obama. The contest was about looking for innovative designs to reduce storm impact as a response to Sandy, and Hoboken alongside Jersey City and Weehawken won, awarded 230 million dollars total by the federal government, and the state contributed an additional 100 million. They designed resiliency parks around Hoboken, inspired by Louisiana's response to Hurricane Katrina and Dutch water management systems, using a combination of above-ground green infrastructure and below-ground gray infrastructure to store stormwater. Expanding the capacity of the sewer system. A pump station allows water to be collected underground in a cistern and then pumped out to the Hudson River. These parks include recreational space, rain gardens, porous pavers, and cisterns for rainwater harvesting.
Jersey City was the first in New Jersey to implement Vision Zero with an executive order signed by Mayor Steven Fulop in 2018, and in 2022, the city realized zero car crash-related fatalities on city-owned streets, the first city of its size in the country to accomplish this! Rather than concentrate pedestrian safety improvements in a single area downtown, Jersey City worked with Street Plans and pursued interventions across six corridors, one in each of Jersey City’s six wards. Thus, they not only built trust across different constituencies, but was able to experiment and did it fast through tactical urbanism and committed local leadership. So Jersey City has been able to make rapid, transformational improvements through daylighting intersections, narrowing lane widths to reduce speeding, converting to one-ways to remove left-turns and reduce conflicts, building a growing protected bike lane network, and adding numerous stop signs and speed humps. Under Fulop, Jersey City also became the first in NJ to have a bikeshare system when Citi Bike expanded to Jersey City in 2015, while it expanded to Hoboken in 2021. To go with this, Fulop worked with community activists to implement a comprehensive Bike Master Plan that includes a complete protected bike lane system and has implemented the steps to create a safe environment with miles of safe corridors! Jersey City has experienced an Austin-level housing boom…in a city much smaller than Austin, thanks to the explosion of TOD around PATH and HBLR stations. And that's not mentioning the pedestrianization that has taken place downtown. Jersey City and Hoboken are both examples of a transit city in North America done right
There's also Bordentown, a cool colonial suburb outside Trenton, which has its own River Line station, an interurban that goes between Trenton and Camden (with connections to the NJT Atlantic City Line to Philly and Atlantic City at Pennsauken Transit Center, and the PATCO Speedline to Philly and Lindenwold at Walter Rand Transportation Center). Bordentown's first recorded European settlement was made in 1682, and then it was renamed after Joseph Borden in 1717! Bordentown is filled with transportation and revolutionary history! In 1734, Joseph Borden started a stage line and packet service between Bordentown and Philly. In the 1830s, the Camden and Amboy Railroad (NJ's first railroad) you mentioned used the John Bull locomotive which is now in the Smithsonian National Museum of American History! And In 1834, the Delaware and Raritan Canal (which helped transport anthracite coal to NYC during much of the 19th and early 20th centuries) had their Lock 1 at Bordentown. Bordentown was once the home of many revolutionaries. Patience Lovell Wright, the US's first female sculptor, was creating wax busts in King George's court in England. Patriots like Francis Hopkinson (a signer of the US Declaration of Independence) and Thomas Paine (who authored Common Sense and The American Crisis) also lived in Bordentown. Thomas Paine's home in Bordentown between 1783 until his death in 1809 was the only house he ever bought. Besides American patriots, Bordentown was also the home of Napoleon's older brother Joseph Bonaparte and Joseph's daughter Charlotte who did landscape paintings while in NJ. But more importantly, Bordentown was home to NJ's first free school by Clara Barton in 1852, who later founded the American Red Cross in 1881!
Hi! As an autistic New Yorker with a physical disability that relies on transit, born to parents from New Jersey, there are things I want to add:
– In just the first week according to MTA's results, it's been working! Don't underestimate our transit infrastructure! During rush-hour, the Lincoln Tunnel is home to the busiest bus lane in the US! Approximately 1,850 buses and 70K commuters use it daily. Or over 18.5 MILLION a year. Different operators use the bus lane, but many of the buses that use it is NJ Transit! You only mention the NYC Subway and NJ Transit, but there's also the LIRR and Metro-North Railroad commuter networks. Congestion pricing not only benefits the NYC Subway and MTA's buses, but also projects for the Staten Island Railway, LIRR, and Metro-North Railroad. Which I wish you mentioned. The LIRR is the busiest commuter rail system in the US and operates 24/7 year-round, its park-and-rides encourage Long Islanders to relax and take the train. The Metro-North Railroad serves NY, Connecticut and even NJ (the MNR has Port Jervis Line and Pascack Valley Line trains to Hoboken Terminal that are operated by NJ Transit under contract), and is the second-busiest commuter rail system in the US after the LIRR. At Penn Station, Grand Central Terminal, and the Port Authority Bus Terminal, there are several subway connections within walking distance. At Hoboken Terminal, there's connections to NY Waterway ferries, PATH, HBLR, and NJT buses. Like the LIRR and NYC Subway, the MTA's buses are 24/7. In 2023, the MTA Regional Bus Operations system had a ridership of 730,924,600, or about 2,400,700 per weekday as of the third quarter of 2024.
– I've lived in Westchester County NY, Hudson County NJ, and Long Island. In Westchester, I lived in Tarrytown/Sleepy Hollow which is a super walkable colonial suburb with bus service to Palisades Center mall and frequent trains on the MNR Hudson Line, including express service. In Jersey City, I was able to rely on frequent NJT buses and jitneys to go to NYC, Journal Square, or the mall, the HBLR to also get to the mall or other places in Jersey City and Hoboken and did all my errands by walking. On Long Island, I rely on paratransit and the LIRR. Specifically the Ronkonkoma and Montauk Branches. I've seen Hamptonites complaining, but they shouldn't be complaining when they're rich, and they have both the LIRR Montauk Branch and the Hampton Jitney bus service as ways to commute! Under Suffolk's Connect Long Island plan, there's been TOD projects (like at Riverhead, Patchogue, Wyandanch, and Ronkonkoma; the Ronkonkoma TOD includes a new airport terminal, convention center, and life sciences hub on top of housing), relocating Yaphank station to East Yaphank to serve the important Brookhaven National Laboratory, building a second track on the Ronkonkoma Branch from Farmingdale to Ronkonkoma, improving hiking and biking networks, introducing Bethpage Ride bikeshare in 2019 (which Patchogue, Babylon, Gilgo Beach, Lindenhurst, Huntington, the Hamptons, and Riverhead all participate in bikeshare), and redesigning the bus network, making many new routes with most routes having 30-minute headways and timed connections.
– On Staten Island, they have multiple express buses that go to Manhattan, they could also go by bus to Brooklyn and transfer to the subway in Bay Ridge, and the Staten Island Railway (which has parking lots) connects to St George terminal, a hub for buses, ferry, and the SIR, where they can board the free 24/7 Staten Island Ferry to Manhattan. And when people walk to the NYC Subway after getting off the ferry, it counts as a free transfer thanks to "One city, one fare" if they transferred at St George from a Staten Island bus or the SIR. The MTA's express buses serve not just Staten Island, but also serve the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn for trips into Midtown and Lower Manhattan. Areas like Laurelton in Queens, City Island in the Bronx, and Mill Basin in Brooklyn are served by express buses.
– Regarding the low-income argument, it's worth mentioning that the majority of those in poverty who live in the outer boroughs of NYC commute by transit, 61% of them! Compared to 20% who drive to non-Manhattan destinations, and 2% who drive to Manhattan. This is from a pie chart shown in a Community Service Society analysis called "What Does Congestion Pricing Mean for Outer-Borough New Yorkers in Poverty?". Not only does congestion pricing benefit them by investing in improving the transit that they rely on, but for those who drive, there is a discount for low-income vehicle owners enrolled in the Low-Income Discount Plan (LIDP). And there's also a low-income tax credit for residents of the congestion pricing zone.
– As someone with a disability, the program benefits me in that it leads to making stations accessible. Not just in the NYC Subway, but the LIRR, Staten Island Railway, and Metro-North Railroad as well. People with disabilities are also exempt from congestion pricing under the Individual Disability Exemption Plan (IDEP), and the Organizational Disability Exemption Plan (ODEP) is available for organizations that operate vehicles that transport people with disabilities such as Access-A-Ride, ambulette services, or schools and special education facilities. Anti-congestion pricing politicians claim they care about affordability and low-income residents, but don't think of those of us who either have a disability that prevents us from driving, or simply can't afford one! My street doesn't even have a sidewalk, and I'm thankful I can rely on paratransit.
For walkable places in NJ, Jersey City and Hoboken as Vision Zero role models. Hoboken has experienced zero traffic deaths since 2017. Hoboken adopted a Vision Zero plan in 2021 after an executive order by Mayor Ravi Bhalla in 2019, and since then, they've been doing things like daylighting intersections with flexible posts or rain gardens, creating curb extensions to reduce crossing distances and improve visibility, and painting high-visibility crosswalks. In 2023 alone, Hoboken installed 78 daylighted intersections, 61 high-visibility crosswalks, 1 raised crosswalk, 9 curb extensions, and 14 multi-way stops. They also reduced the speed limit from 25 mph to 20 mph in 2022. In 2021, Hoboken had 21 pedestrian injuries, 18 cyclist injuries, and 51 motorist injuries. Compare these injuries and the zero fatalities to the Crown Heights in Brooklyn in 2021, Crown Heights had three fatalities, and over 400 injuries in total! To combat flooding, as a response to Hurricane Sandy, Hoboken turned to a Dutch firm, Office for Metropolitan Architecture in Rotterdam, to create a design that won a contest sponsored by then President Obama. The contest was about looking for innovative designs to reduce storm impact as a response to Sandy, and Hoboken alongside Jersey City and Weehawken won, awarded 230 million dollars total by the federal government, and the state contributed an additional 100 million. They designed resiliency parks around Hoboken, inspired by Louisiana's response to Hurricane Katrina and Dutch water management systems, using a combination of above-ground green infrastructure and below-ground gray infrastructure to store stormwater. Expanding the capacity of the sewer system. A pump station allows water to be collected underground in a cistern and then pumped out to the Hudson River. These parks include recreational space, rain gardens, porous pavers, and cisterns for rainwater harvesting.
Jersey City was the first in New Jersey to implement Vision Zero with an executive order signed by Mayor Steven Fulop in 2018, and in 2022, the city realized zero car crash-related fatalities on city-owned streets, the first city of its size in the country to accomplish this! Rather than concentrate pedestrian safety improvements in a single area downtown, Jersey City worked with Street Plans and pursued interventions across six corridors, one in each of Jersey City’s six wards. Thus, they not only built trust across different constituencies, but was able to experiment and did it fast through tactical urbanism and committed local leadership. So Jersey City has been able to make rapid, transformational improvements through daylighting intersections, narrowing lane widths to reduce speeding, converting to one-ways to remove left-turns and reduce conflicts, building a growing protected bike lane network, and adding numerous stop signs and speed humps. Under Fulop, Jersey City also became the first in NJ to have a bikeshare system when Citi Bike expanded to Jersey City in 2015, while it expanded to Hoboken in 2021. To go with this, Fulop worked with community activists to implement a comprehensive Bike Master Plan that includes a complete protected bike lane system and has implemented the steps to create a safe environment with miles of safe corridors! Jersey City has experienced an Austin-level housing boom…in a city much smaller than Austin, thanks to the explosion of TOD around PATH and HBLR stations. And that's not mentioning the pedestrianization that has taken place downtown. Jersey City and Hoboken are both examples of a transit city in North America done right
To the casino guy: I imagine the increased costs for your delivery drivers are nicely offset by the lower congestion allowing them to be more productive. But sure focus on the bit that activates your Gammon Gears and ignore the rest.