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  1. tenessemoltisanti on

    [As Sheldon says: Hellenic Stays A frame design in which the seat stays don’t go to the seat cluster, but rather cross outside of the seat tube a few inches below the seat cluster, then go on to be attached to the top tube a few inches forward of the seat tube. Hellenic stays were introduced by (and named for) the British frame builder Fred Helens in 1923, and have been used off-and-on since by frame builders who wish to make their frames visually distinctive. They are of no practical value, and often cause un-necessary complication in brake-cable routing, luggage-rack attachment and installation of frame pumps. The are also slightly heavier than normal frame construction.](https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?t=62936)

    Interesting getting the history on this, thanks for calling out the name. I have a Hellenic GT 26″ MTB but want to own a Hellenic Fixed gear frame with big tire clearance one day!

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