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  1. We learned about the oldest versions of these.

    Old emergency generators used MASSIVE steel wheels for their emergency power system attached to a deiseal engine. Generally they are expensive to start up, but VERY cheap to keep going once they got up to speed. I had always wondered why we never continued to invest and expand in these systems.

    I think this with the Silica power storage systems that I think you mentioned in a video once upon a time make sense together. In places where Hydro electric is available I can image you could partition off parts of the grid so that black outs from inclement weather.

    I think a lot of people get hung up on a single answer to our energy deficient problems…. I also think burying these in the ocean is a REALLY good idea. The main problem of what happens if this catastrophically disassembles it's self and the others stationed near it, is neatly dealt with by water's ability to swallow kinetic energy.

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  3. This makes me want to try and build home energy batteries out of recycled cells. Rising electric rates make home battery systems more valuable.

  4. I can see fly wheels becoming standard components for solar and wind. It'll just be another part that is taken for granted because it is so useful and obvious after the fact.

  5. Sounds like a great idea!

    One idea that occurs to me: tiered use. Assuming you can extract energy from each unit independently (which I'm sure you can set up in a facility if you want to) you could presumably use your array of FESS's to maintain a subset of them for longer. Not ideal for efficiency – you'd only want to do this if you wanted to rig up longer term storage while not using battery tech (which might be useful in some places, given the cost of battery chemicals vs the cost of a big hunk of metal) but if you needed to, you could draw down the energy from FESS A to keep B through E spinning until it runs out, then draw on B to keep C-E done, then tap C for D-E, and then D for E. There's definitely a point at which the efficiency problem kills this chain, but it could extend a flywheel's operation cycle up to 24 hours to work with a solar plant for sure.

    Like I said, efficiency of transfer of energy is the killer here, this isn't a trick for long term extension of flywheels to make them a super-ideal thing..just a trick that would allow a FESS system to hold onto power longer than it might otherwise.

    (And I'm sure there's probably systems that have looked into doing this and are doing it if it's actually feasible.)

  6. This is just another gimmick funded by taxpayers at the pleasure of ignorant government officials, paying off the cost of their campaigns by handing out contracts with kickbacks.

  7. China and green energy? Hahahahahahaha! Considering the waste they make in process of all of their production… green energy sounds like joke!

  8. In the seventies I was shown an huge and at that time seemingly ancient flywheel that was used as a power filter. Power in went to the motor. On the other side a generator was constantly running. The result was stable power without voltage spikes.

  9. This sounds more like voltage regulation than energy storage. It takes energy to get them going and more to keep them going. The way it’s explained in the video doesn’t explain how this is beneficial. It reminds me of those videos where they hook up an alternator to an electric motor and claim it’s endless energy 😂

    Watching this just gave me an idea though. One application that I think could truly benefit from flywheels would be in outer space. A space station takes in solar which would power the flywheel starter and give it small boosts only when rotation slows below a certain threshold. Being its in zero G I would imagine that it wouldn’t slow that often and could output more power than the solar panels would take in over a years time. Plus if implemented correctly it could also act as a stabilizer

  10. This not a new technology. Data Centers (Some) can use DR-UPS (Diesel Rotary Uninterruptable Power Supply) to condition their mains (Grid) power inputs to a clean output for IT. The traditional way is with banks of 48 VDC lead acid batteries. This copes with brown outs and very short power outages.
    With DR-UPS on longer power outages there is a shaft or mechanical linkage to startup an emergency diesel generator. With all your eggs in one basket its difficult to test for an outage, as one data center found out to their cost when the emergency generator failed to start.

  11. Ultimately you're wanting 50Hz / 60Hz (depending on the country you live in), I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't just rectify whatever high frequency AC is coming out of the flywheel to DC and then use an inverter to convert it back to 3 phase AC for sync and frequency. Frequency and phase matching is incredibly important to prevent failures at generation sites or loads.

    A generation site can get disconnected if phase and frequency aren't closely matched to the load in order to prevent damage, but if a generation site (or sites) are disconnected, the remaining connected sites are now under more load, and that causes them to get further out of sync, exacerbating the problem, which leads to wide spread failures unless the load can be shed (ie forced blackouts), or more generation can step in at phase and frequency, and return everything to normal. If every generation site is knocked out, that leads to a 'black start', which is pretty complicated to recover from as something needs to provide the clock (or frequency) that sites are synchronised to, and it also requires bringing the areas disconnected on in stages to prevent everything from rapidly falling out of step again.

    Or, we could just install (more?) nuclear and avoid the complication of storage atop synchronisation, at least until the fusion nut is cracked. In my mind, flywheels are a good solution for sites to have something to provide power while diesel generators come online in case of a blackout, and this is exactly how several datacentres I worked at did things (and that was old tech 20 years ago), but trying to make this small scale solution fit for large scale seems like elimating the problem with more reliable generation to start with is smarter. The turbine at a nuclear/coal/gas plant will have an integrated flywheel rotating at the same speed as the turbine/generator to smooth out sudden changes in load, and permit a bit of time to change how much heat the fuel produces and is centuries old tech.

    An unpopular opinion, I know, but I see these products as being useful only in specific scenarios, at large scale it seems like a waste of resources.

  12. I feel like most of this video is wrong or intentionally misleading. How could you power the grid from a flywheel without that flywheel "spinning down", i.e. converting rotational speed to electrical power, without expensive, lossy, and complex AC->DC->AC systems? This video would benefit from an actual comparison of total system efficiency, lifetime ownership costs, cost per MWH storage etc etc. No way those things can spin for a decade+ without maintenance. And magnetically levitating a 100+ ton weight to increase frictional efficiency versus a rotor? Are you kidding? What was the comment on carbon fiber anyway? Do you have anyone review these videos or is this script AI generated?

  13. they could very well, combined with photovoltaic, solve part of the energy production/consumption discrepancy in the afternoon/evening. "Charge" in the afternoon when the demand is low and production high, "discharge" in the evening when the demand is high and the production lower…
    then use the wind turbines to charge them in the night for the other demand increase in the morning/noon hours?

  14. could a large amount of flywheels around the world have any effect on the planets rotation?
    I ask because of the "resistance" you feel when holding a spinning gyroscope… they're just flywheels after all.

  15. This isn't a win, this is a warning.

    All this proves is intermittent "clean" energy sources can't replace fossil fuels without the end users incurring eye watering energy prices. How much new, novel, infrastructure is going to be required to meet net-zero pipe dreams? At what cost to society do we say enough is enough?

    Just hope you're not the person, in an ambulance, stuck in traffic on your way to the hospital because a brown out stopped traffic lights from working or your on the table and someone forgot to put refuel in the backup generator.

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