Ahmed Vila – MMA INSTITUT 85

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Sa 28 godina već je punih 12 aktivan profesionalni borac. Trenutno se nalazi u fantastičnoj seriji od 5 vezanih pobeda, a nastupa za KSW organizaciju gde mu je cilj pojas šampiona.
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U novoj epizodi MMA INSTITUTA, ugostili smo izuzetnog momka i vrhunskog sportistu Ahmeda Vilu.
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Good evening and welcome to a new episode of MMA Institute. Tonight we have our guest, the best lightweight fighter in the Balkans, Ahmed Vila. Hey, Gino! Welcome, brother! Welcome! First of all, I want you to explain to people what your real nickname is. That’s what we’re going to talk about first. It’s Vila, actually. Everyone says it’s Vila, but it’s actually Vila. It’s Vila, brother! It can be Vila, or it can be some big house. Like Vila. Vila is Vila, bravo! No, it’s actually Vila. Everyone says it’s Vila. Everyone says it’s Vila, but people don’t even notice it’s Vila. It sounds a bit Brazilian, so I throw it to people. My grandfather is a Brazilian, Flavio. Vila came to train jiu-jitsu, and then I started. It was a good thing. The most recent thing was your debut in the KSW organization. It was a big win. How did you get to that match? You were in OKTAGON before that. We know that OKTAGON and KSW are opponents on the market. I don’t know. I had three matches in a row. I won in OKTAGON. I talked to my manager, Dijakovic. We talked a lot. He was like… I don’t get it. Come on, Zizek. That’s what the whole show will do to you. Dijakovic is your manager? Yes, he’s my manager. I had to fight for the belt. They told me that if I win the next match, I won it in the first round, I would probably fight for the featherweight title. OKTAGON. And I was like… Stop it. I will fight for the belt. In the end, I didn’t get that chance. I found out on Instagram that I don’t fight for the belt. When you fight, no one goes alone. I asked Dijakovic what’s going on. He got a little angry with them. He said… Let’s see what’s next. Let’s see what they offer. What did they say? Who won? Who won? What was the reason for that? I wasn’t in the market enough. I wasn’t… You weren’t in the market. Bosnian market isn’t big. It’s the easiest thing to say. Bosnian market isn’t big when you have 400,000 followers. There’s no logic. What would be interesting for them in Serbia? I don’t get it. It’s because. .. Let’s not talk about it. It’s not a trash talk. I literally didn’t talk about it. I didn’t say shit. I grew up in a different generation. I started following MMA as a child. I went to events. I watched how fighters behave. Real fighters for me. In a way, it’s an honor for me. Now I’m acting something I’m not. I grew up in that fight. Respect. When I go in, I go to kill a man or me. There’s no problem. There’s a certain code of conduct. I didn’t do that. It wasn’t interesting for them. In the end, I didn’t get that opportunity. Maybe it’s better because I got a much better financial offer in KSW. I’m very satisfied. It’s better for me to go to KSW. After 3-4 matches, I’ll earn a lot more than I would in OKTAGON. Again, I withdrew that part if not financially. The most important thing for us is that we can live from what we love. I don’t have to do any other job. I’m satisfied. Those are the two biggest opponents in that part of Europe. Do you feel rivalry between the two organizations? At one time, I didn’t feel it. How is it going? In KSW, they still act as if they are not threatened. I see that they are. They take some fighters. Anton Račić, who was the first in KSW, is now in OKTAGON. Scott Eskam, who was also the first in KSW, is now in OKTAGON. You can feel it. All the fighters are coming. What are we going to do? They are going to win. They are going to make a game changer. It’s a great victory. It’s fascinating to me. Did you follow that? Of course, I followed Djeneč. I watched his videos. I have never seen him in real life, but he is our man. Djeneč is a huge fan. It’s a great thing. OKTAGON is a young organization. How old is it? I don’t think they are on stage for a long time. But KF is all about Jumbus and a good tournament. They want to have a crazy builder and they want to have fighters. I guess they have a market like that in Poland. They are really interested in that and they sell it. Well, they are like that. When you look at their biggest stars, they are all some kind of steroid characters. They are crazy. But on the other hand, you have some characters in OKTAGON who are half-fighters, half-builders, half-mannequins. What about after RK? Wasn’t RK on the contract? I think he was on the contract. He wasn’t on the Diaković manager contract? Yes, he was. He had 4 fights. I signed on 5 fights. But if he had 4 fights on the contract, maybe he would have signed on 5 fights. I don’t know. I don’t know who went there and signed on 5 fights. Wait, you didn’t sign on the OKTAGON contract. We had 3 fights. I had to get a new contract. You had it on the 30th. Yes. Diaković said to send us numbers of KSW players. Diaković is a great joker. He is a smart guy. I am satisfied with what he does and how he builds his career. I don’t have to work. I train and fight. When did you meet him? He came to him. I don’t follow anything. You were a kid. When we were 13, we were watching Toma and Baljagić. Baljagić. When he was in Savac. When we were 12 or 13. 12 or 13. Who did you train with? Who did you compete with? You are not Laskar Stavanović anymore. You came to a serious level for us. For our conditions. Who do you train with? How did you do? How the fuck? You know what I mean. Except for that part you told me. That your wife was stronger than you. But that’s it. She came in front of you. Yes. Stronger. A little older. But you know what? When I was a kid, I watched movies with an old man. Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee. Of course, I had to watch that. Fuck him. I often get that after that. I watched Mirko. Mirko was fucking awesome. I was 8 years old. I watched the first Grand Prix in 2006. I watched MMA as a kid. I know every fighter from Pride. I remember every fight. I watched every UFC fight. You were a fan at first. I was a big fan. I was a big fan. Then I started training. Where? When? Pretorian was the name of the club. The first coach was Edin Zrno. He gathered all the fighters who trained in Sarajevo. Tomas Pahović, Berin Baljagić, Alen Doličanin, Alija Tucak. He fought with Bojan Mihajlović. He was working on Decision. There was a team. Four or five of them. They were really good fighters. During that time, they made some results in the region. I was a kid who trained with them. Zrno was a good kickbox coach. He bought some grappling techniques from YouTube. He sent us to grappling training. We had some jiu-jitsu. He was a good grappling club. Yes, we had. Yes, yes. Later, he became a good grappler. What happened to him? He is in Switzerland now. He had to leave in 2013. He had a stroke. He is working hard now. He has his own club, Fight Temple. Now, there are fighters from KSW, Chechen, Dagestan. They come to him. We are always in touch. I am always grateful to him for what he gave me. Those are the basics. That is the code of conduct. Respect, brother. You come to learn. Wherever I come, I will learn something. I will learn something from someone. You just came here to learn something from someone. Of course. I can only kick someone. That is the best. I am grateful to him because I learned from him how to learn. I am ready to come wherever I come, wherever I am in any situation. So that I can… Ok, this man told me this. Now I will try it in training. He is not doing this for me, but maybe I will change it somehow. And literally, with that mindset, I started going to camps later. Like in All Stars. I was in Mjolnir. I was in FD. In FD, I just visited the gym, but I didn’t train for a long time. I trained with all the UFD fighters. I was in Switzerland, I trained with some fighters. So, I just bought that knowledge. I went back and transferred it to other fighters. Like with Đelad Muftić, my friend. There was also Ermin Hođić, Damir Kulović. They still train today. Damir is one of the coaches in our club. Now we have all moved on. We made a story to connect with MMA Fighter Academy. I train there. That’s my base. I train with my friends. I started training with them. I have been training for 10-12 years. At the same time, I go to camps. I was recently in America. In One Touch Fight Team. What is One Touch Fight Team? That’s a trainer from Pat Curran. If you know him. He was Belator’s first. He was the trainer of Jens Palwer. Striking coach, MMA coach. His wife is Bosnian. He invited me to come and train with him. We talked for a long time. I got a visa. I took the opportunity to go. We made a good camp for the last KSW match. Where is the gym? It’s called Illinois Huntley. It’s near Chicago. It’s about an hour away. But it’s not all that close. In America, it’s an hour away. It’s close to the gym. Why is it so close? We don’t want people who are a kilometer and a half away from us to go to the gym. These people drive for an hour and a half, two hours to go to the gym. Look how happy we are. Really? They are not happy with us. I have a story. When we were somewhere else. He said, dude, do you want to drive? Let’s buy something sweet. When we were in Russia. I said, let’s go. It’s 170 kilometers to the gym. I mean, now I’m crazy, but it was something else. We drive for two hours in one direction. You take something sweet. I felt sick. And sweet and salty and everything. What did he say? Eat something sweet. Voronezh, Voronezh. Yes. I haven’t eaten anything sweet since then. There was an episode last time. Kecvan. You know which is the best club? Which one? Which one? The one that is the closest. 100%. 100%. That’s the Balkan metalhead. 100%. So, for the last time, you trained in America. Yes, yes. How long have you been there? I was there for a month and a half. We made a camp, a base. I trained a lot with D1 Croats. They are the top ones. When you work with them, you have no idea. I was like, I’m putting my mind to it. What am I training? Am I an idiot? What have I done? Wait, when you came there, was it easy? I’ll show them now. No, it wasn’t. I knew he was going to kick me out. You thought you had a bigger chance. Yes. But then we came to MMA and I kicked them out. Because it’s a different sport. You know, when you prepare for a fight, he covers himself. Bigger distance. Bigger distance. Then he’s a little confused. Isn’t that right? And you see when he hits, because you push him with punches so he goes into that weight. Yes. He goes into that weight. Then you pass him for the knee. And then they saw. And then after two or three weeks, I got into it. I saw, ah, look, I can beat someone now. Even though that kid kicked me out like a monkey. Okay, Neralan level D1. D1. What is that? What do I call it? First league. That’s like Premier League in England, which is for football. That’s how D1 is for football. But that’s free, isn’t it? That’s Fox. Fox, I mean. Oh, yeah. That’s what you’re talking about. That’s college, I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s painful. That’s like… They don’t… But, bro, they don’t go to school physically. They have jerking. That’s… That means you’re sick. They don’t go to school physically like we do. No one would know how to do a double leg. And with them, with that kind of jerking, it’s great because… Chain wrestling. Because it’s not like jerking. We talked about it with Kecman and others. You can’t be on… You can’t be on a parter. But with them, you’re in the corner and it’s constantly a scramble. It’s constantly a scramble. It’s constantly a scramble. You start, bro. He gets up, he defends. He attacks right away. He’s just good for MMA. Has he ever given you a way to… To get to these Dagestani people? To fuck them up? To beat them up? Well, I trained a lot with them. Oh, did you? Because I was in All Stars. I trained a lot. There was Čimajev. There was… What’s his name? The little one. They say he’s light. That he’s relaxed. You can do everything. He’s really light. He’s really light. Man, he’s crazy. He’s really light. He’s crazy. He’s really… He’s a little uncomfortable at first, but it’s okay. You can train with him and everything, but fuck him. I worked with my own category. They were… It’s easy for you when you’re not in his category. Thank God I’m not. But, fuck it. Fuck it. He’s a person. And he’s a little crazy. He’s really crazy. I don’t know. But he makes results and you have to respect that in the end. But, it’s really… It’s… And in the training and outside of the training, you always have to watch out. You’re never sure what you’re doing with him. Yeah, yeah. They say he’s bipolar. I didn’t hear that. I didn’t hear that. I didn’t hear that long ago. What’s bipolar? What does that mean? Oh, man. You’re laughing all the time. Really? I don’t know, man. It’s simple. One day he comes. Great. He behaves the most normal. We’re talking now. Everything is great. He laughs. The next day he comes. He doesn’t look at you at all. He doesn’t recognize you. Not that he doesn’t recognize you, but he even wants to… You know? It’s like we have some kind of problem. We need to fuck him up. Yeah. Well, okay. No way. He’s the second most stubborn. We need to… We need to get together. Five or six of us. One or two of us. We can do it together. I’ve heard stories in Sweden that it’s the same mentality. To fight on the street and everything. I don’t understand. He fucks you up. How can that happen to him? I don’t know. It’s their mentality. There are people who are just like that. Like Mike Tyson. He was a wild man. He was born that way. But he’s phenomenal at fighting. He has a psychopathic mindset. He kills people. There are some champions who are like that. There are other people from the other spectrum who are the most normal. They behave the most normal. They control their emotions. He’s not like that. He’s not like that. He’s not like that. He’s mildly said. Fuck him. You told me you were from an old school. I’m asking you. Do you have a goal when you enter the game? Is it important for you to have music? Is it important to have focus? Do you have to be alone? Do you have to be in a frenzy? When I say frenzy, do you understand what I mean? Yes, yes. War. Literally, a war in your head. Do you have to have some music? I don’t have to have music. Don’t say that. Do you like to be left alone in front of the goal? Do you like to be played with in the locker room? I’m sorry. Me and Rodja, when we were coaches, the whole population around us, we liked it when someone got into trouble, you say, I got into trouble. And you say, fuck, he’s going to break it. And we liked to do that. And we still do that today in our children. It’s not bad. To be a relaxed variant. But now I see that it’s getting more and more like that. When you say that, we’re serious. We’re going there to die. Go eat, you fucking bitch. You’re going to die. You’ll probably die in three minutes. No, that’s individual. I don’t have a problem with people getting into trouble. I have no problem with anything around me. But I’m the one who’s kind of in my own focus. Okay, okay, ask. But it’s not okay if someone finds you there. No, no, no. Ask me. Imagine your brother-in-law comes to you and says, what the fuck are you doing? Imagine. Would you be. .. He knows that, the core of my war. He’s been there a lot of times. What are you doing? Get up, don’t fuck around. He knows that. But I’m not… Somehow I got used to it. I don’t have that feeling of fear anymore. But I’m not… In a way, I’m in a middle mode. I mean, you understand what I’m saying. Fear, I know. It’s not fear. No, it’s not. You literally have… You have moments where you’re afraid that they’ll embarrass you. It’s not fear of beating you. That’s right. It’s not fear of beating you. It’s defeat. And how you’re going to… I realized that I can’t control it. I can’t control it. I can’t control how big this guy is. Is he bigger? Is he stronger than me? Is he faster than me? Is he prettier than me? Does he look better on camera? I can’t control it. I can control myself. What am I going to do? I’m focusing on my technique. On myself. And what is he going to do? I don’t give a fuck. In fact, I’m somehow… In recent times, as I started to think about it, I started to. .. The result… It’s better now. I watched your show. You have a lot of matches on Decision. Well, yeah, a lot. Considering that you’re 76. My man. My man. Wait. Wait, Mastin. Go on. No, Mastin. Go on. No. You didn’t even notice. You didn’t even notice. You’re going to… Oh, fuck. That’s me. Your brother. You’re complaining that I spit on you. You can’t… You can’t spit on me. I’d hurt you here. I’d hurt you here. Oh, fuck. Who’s spitting on me? Wait. I don’t know. I don’t know. When I was filming here, I was afraid to spit on him, so I spit on him. Where did we stop? Where did we stop? Where did we stop? Where did we stop? You follow me, don’t you? Swedish action. And that’s how we spitted on you. To the knee. No, we were talking about… About Decision. About Decision. No, my man. You have a lot of Decision and a lot of RNC. Or some kind of choke? Well. .. You work a lot. Stani, do you work more or… Bro, I’m sorry. I’m 100%. Yeah, yeah, I know. I understand everything. I mean, bro… You know, I have a black belt. I have a black belt in BJJ. Mike? Yeah, yeah. From whom do you have it? I got it from Dejan Mihanovic, who is the direct black belt from Roger Gracie. Who is he? He’s just. .. He’s lying. He’s lying. That’s from me. Wait, tell me… Does that man live in Sarajevo? No, he’s in Split. And we’ve been there for literally 10 years. We go there, we do seminars, we train and all that. Wait, you’re in love with jiu-jitsu. Do you train seriously? Do you do kimono? No, I used to do a lot of kimono, but I stopped lately, because I realized that it’s a bit stupid to train those kind of grips that you don’t want to have in an MMA match. And on the other hand, I also stopped fighting sleds in MMA. Because I realized, fuck it, I take two elbows, it’s not good, you know. Here we have it here, after the elbow here, after the elbow here. I played everything from the guard. And that’s why you let your hair go. That’s right, so that it doesn’t cut anywhere. And I got two or three times with only one elbow, and I realized there’s no more playing sleds in jiu-jitsu. Sani, what about those crazy guys? There are, there are. I don’t know about the new generation, but those crazy guys, sleds do everything. Well, it could have started. It could have started. Now they’ve really turned off the black belts in UFC. They can’t finish the sleds anymore. It’s hard, it’s hard. It’s really hard to get a finish in jiu-jitsu, I mean, in MMA, that you now submit someone to an armbar, a triangle, I don’t know, to some, now, rear naked, guillotine, okay, but now, to tie a triangle to someone, which is really rare, I don’t know, when I last saw the triangle. And when they tie, they come out. Yes, they come out. I’ve seen well tied triangles, to come out. Yes, to come out. Simply, that’s adrenaline, that’s knowledge, but they’re different, generally, MMA fighters, from jiu-jitsu fighters, so to speak. We’re not talking about the top level, but the whole thing. Yes, yes, yes, of course, and especially their game. You can’t, you know, now, a sledge, something, a punch, when you get one, that Ilya Tupori, when he came, what was his name? Bryce Mitchell. Yes, and Bryce Mitchell, and this, Ryan Hall. Ah, Ryan Hall. When he was doing, yes, yes. When he started, inverted guard, something, he pushed him up, when he tapped. Yes. So, he literally, and that, and Ryan Hall, he’s younger. Yes, yes. He’s younger, he’s younger. BJ Penn finished, BJ Penn finished, in the first round, in a minute, I think, on the heel hook. And then, a guy comes to you, who’s not a jiu-jitsu mage, but he beats you down, in the ground, because he finished your game, and now everyone knows, by the way, what you’re doing. Yes, yes, you have two, three months, now, it used to be different, it used to be different, you get, again, two, three weeks, before, a maximum of a month, a day, now, everyone knows, two, three months in advance, who you’re fighting with, who’s in his game plan, you have all the fights on YouTube, on the server, you can’t, it’s different. You can’t block a counter-guard, because I’m standing like this, non-stop, and when I come, I’m standing like this. And you’re out, and I’m out. You made it, three, four, zero, then YouTube appeared. Well, yes, but you know, we didn’t, it didn’t work, you know, there was no network, it wasn’t, and when I came to the aiming, I was standing normally. Right-handed, yes, and then, when they showed up, it was hell, we were lucky, every counter is lucky, for everything, fuck it, from the left side, and, when it comes to the leg, everything went through. Yes, yes, you make tactics, you respect it during the match, or do you like, for example, we didn’t like it, we liked to do absolutely everything, go, fight, lead, whether it’s a stand-up, first, parter, defensive, all the same, or do you make tactics, and strictly stick to the plan? Well, it all depends, you know, now, in the last match, honestly, I had some tactics, but I didn’t, you know, literally, I’m a good player, I couldn’t be in the middle, I couldn’t hold it, but I beat him, literally, from, from the cage, I knocked him down, I also, you know, I did, a lot of punches, he didn’t do damage, but I want to say, you know, it all depends, I always have, some kind of a plan, but, I don’t believe, now, that you can, in MMA, I don’t want you to control, you want someone, what will he do, in fact, you can’t, you can, for example, practice, counter, on his, some, let’s say, now, if he’s doing singles, I’m going to do some singles, to be ready, for that situation, but now, if I have that tactic, now, in the first minute, I’m going to circle, then I’m going to the other, there’s no such thing, simply, I think, that doesn’t exist, you see, it’s been forced lately, everyone is a scientist, who knows everything, you know, you go to the left, now, to the right, fuck, Misha, it’s like, we’re from some other sport, I don’t know, how is that possible, we don’t know, you don’t know, you were born, when you were playing football, it was before the new era, now, it’s a new era, you know, it’s, it’s old, no, I believe that, I believe that, everything, everything makes sense, it makes sense, now, to make a tactic, but now, if you can keep tactics, non-stop, it’s not quite real, to expect, the first exchange, hits you, you fall, you can’t, now, in open exchange, maybe you have to go to, take down, or I don’t know, or to clinch, to survive, you can’t always, keep, I don’t know, exactly, what is forbidden, you know, the fight is, alive, I believe that, it should be done, ok, now, specific situations, specific sparring, ok, opponent is good, next, let’s work with him, but now, I’m focusing on something, now, I will come here, in the first minute, in the third, here, I think, it doesn’t make sense, it means angle, bro, it means a lot, it means a lot, let me ask you, if you stand in angle, considering that you worked, in camps, in other clubs, and now, in America, you are not that man, yes, he was, Brett, Brett Brendel, he is, the coach, I already mentioned, Pat Curran, who won, Anthony Patz, in WEC, the coach, he has, he has 5 games, some of them, he worked, really, with good fighters, and before, with champions, and his, his motto, in fact, I just want, to make, world champions, he doesn’t care, about money, or anything, he doesn’t care, that’s why, he is not, promoted, and known, yes, because, Curran was, at that time, yes, but of course, no, of course, of course, but, now, that he will take, this, 50%, 50%, he doesn’t care, he says, Burac, when you take, 100,000, 200,000, I don’t know, a million, ok, and now, I have money, I don’t need, Tadjio, where are you going, to give me 50%, here, 50%, here, when we go, to the match, I know, I know, that I believe you, I know, that I believe you, because, I’m not going there, because, I need your money, but, I’m going, because, I believe, that you will win, that match, and that’s, to me, his way, that Mancet, he was like, fuck, look at this, he believes, that he will make, champions, yes, that’s, that’s why, Radle, and why are you, so calm, yes, yes, because, he’s beating me, bro, I’ll send you, to my safe house, no, she won’t, beat you, no, I can’t, I’m kidding, no, no, I’m kidding, you’ll be like my limbrack, in the corner, nah, when, we’ve been together, for the past 10 years, she went, on all my games, and at the beginning, You really are not normal. You have 27 years and 10 years to get married. I would say so. Do you know why? Because you are stronger. That’s it. I can’t win. I haven’t mentioned it yet. I need to get out of here. She always supported me, but she always told me the truth. When I won the match, she told me that I didn’t do well, it wasn’t good. There is no lie. There is no such thing as you are the best. There is no such thing. Between the rounds, she told me that I didn’t win the round. I have to fight more. Every time we have a match, she tells me that a minute has passed, two minutes have passed, three minutes have passed. And you hear everything? I know 100% that she will say anything to anyone else. She will tell him. Please, you do it. I know it wouldn’t be like that. Before the match, she knows exactly what I need to eat, how to return the weight, what I look like with my body. She is totally… According to me, this coach says, maybe she will go with us to the East, because she knows everything. She cooks everything. She knows exactly what to eat. I would like to invite my wife to record a podcast here. What did I say? When she does everything. I will eat it. They say, Ahmed, come on. Where is your wife? You see, Ida is standing in the corner like this. Literally, everything is easier when you have such support. It is much easier for me because it is different. People often say, you have this coach, don’t put your wife in the corner. I understand why. Because most women are hysterical. They are like, don’t hit him. I understand that. Hit him! Hit him! Why are you a bitch? After the match, why are you a bitch? I am not. How are you not? As soon as you get this, you go to the next level. You go to the next level. Surely, you have common goals. One of them is your career. What is the goal? The current goal for me is to be the first in the national team. That is the current goal. I believe in it. I believe that I can really become that. Because I am on the right track. I have really strong matches behind me. If I am not mistaken, you have won 5-0. Yes, I have won 5 of the last matches. I have won in KSW. Lika was a fan champion until he was 70. He had 10 wins in a row. They said he would be a new champion in KSW. No one gave him a chance. We immediately put him underdog. I like it the most because I don’t have any pressure. I went into the match cold without anyone. What do I know? What do I know about him? He is our hero. Did he surprise you with something? Honestly, I expected the match to be that tough. I knew it would be. But I thought he would be able to hold me if he threw me. He is a really good Croatian. He was the third in the Polish championship. He was a real fucking Croatian. But he didn’t show anything in the stand-up. He was on the ground. As soon as I started to get up, I could get up. It wasn’t a problem. That’s how I expected it to be. I expected the match to be a little tougher. I always imagine it in my head that there will be a war. And it was in the end. But I wasn’t satisfied with my performance. I said after the match that I think I might have lost. They were looking at me like, are you crazy? Where are you going to say that after the match? I looked at the match later and saw that it wasn’t really like that. I felt bad because I didn’t fulfill the plan that we talked about earlier. I planned to be in the middle. They would try to destroy me. They wouldn’t be able to. He didn’t shoot a double leg take down or a single leg. He just went up in the clinch and punched me in the face. Fuck him. I hit him with my elbows all the time. I had more damage. And I won. I got the most points. One of the judges gave me all three rounds. The other two gave me two. I had a knockdown. I knocked him out. He wanted a dead fight, but you… I worked all the time. He was trying to control me with a dead fight. He was in control. But the rest was up to him. I had more… Clean hits. Yes, clean hits. Clean hits. In the ground. I immediately tried to return. We were in the ground for 10 seconds. I immediately tried submission. I didn’t stand. That’s my mindset. I work non-stop. I don’t stand still. That cardio is very important for MMA. That’s the most important thing for me. Now that everyone is… Everyone is good. Everyone is good. And what you said about decisions. It’s hard when we’re all here somewhere. It’s hard to finish someone. It’s hard. But that cardio… Even today. That cardio that has BESAN. It makes hell for everyone. It doesn’t have to be a technical problem. I don’t know how much. If it has good cardio, it makes hell for everyone. Yes, absolutely. You can’t be on a higher level without cardio. That’s the hardest thing, bro. This team of Cardbovers. They’re fucked up because of that cardio. They can’t stop fucking. You throw 6-8 punches, you scream. Those brothers are disappearing. Didn’t you think… You wanted to try American Kickbox Academy? I thought about it. I have some contacts up there. But… Simply… When you go to a big gym… Wherever you go… You’re a piece of meat there. And now that I’m going up there… I don’t know if it’s going to be… It doesn’t matter. Probably there would be like 10 of them. Like… They wouldn’t look at me like that. They would look at me like this. That coach took me to his house. I’ve been living with them for a month and a half. He wanted or didn’t want to. He was somehow connected to me. And they are connected to how I sleep. How I train. How I eat. Do I eat enough? Literally. .. A man is investing. And… I honestly prefer to work somewhere… Where I will have… Someone will pay attention to me. So now… It doesn’t have to be the best coach. The best gym coach in the world. But it has to be someone… Who really wants me well. I think that’s the most important thing for a fighter. That you have people around you who want you well. Regardless of the success in sports. Because even when you see… It’s not enough to tell you… Enough. For me that’s also important. You don’t have it everywhere. And when you find it somewhere… I think you have to appreciate it in some way. In your career… You should have learned a bit. But you didn’t. There was no one to tell you… Wait a minute. You had a great start. I think… Five wins. Then five losses. Then again five wins. It was… At what point… You had five losses. No. Three losses. Three. Three. Let me see if there was something. Yes. It was colorful. Yes. It was colorful. It was green. Red. Green. There. At what point in your career… You think there was no one to tell you… Wait a minute. Pause a little bit. It was… I was literally… I had an opportunity to fight… With the best fighters. Metz Bornell was later ranked third in Bellator. I got to those… A serious fight. I watched him… When he was warming up for UFC match. He knows everything. Yes. He was great. He got a black belt in jujitsu in two years. Before BJ Pen… Really? Is he a mega talent? Yes, he is. I accepted that match when I didn’t need to. I had the management, they wanted the best for me, but we were just too much of friends. When someone tells you that they believe in you, and you say that you can do it, but it can’t be like that. There has to be a relationship. Someone tells me that I can’t do it anymore, we’ll do it in two years, let’s play a match with this guy. There has to be a relationship. I had those three defeats, and then I got in touch with Djaković. I contacted him, and I asked him to come to the gym. He asked me to be the manager. I said I could do anything. I lost three matches in a row. Then he slowly started the match-by-match war. I won the first match in their organization. Then I got the contract for OKTAGON. I was the first FFC player, I fought in Russia when I was 17. People saw that I had some experience. I got an opportunity in OKTAGON and won three matches in a row. Before that, I had one more win in the UFC. Now I’m in KSW. I didn’t have the right management to tell me what to do. I didn’t train as I should. I didn’t have the cardio or the psychological approach that I have now. Now I decided to give it all to myself. I don’t want to think about the result. I don’t want to think about what can happen to me. I don’t want to think about the techniques I need to use. That’s what gave me the new energy. It’s a great honor for him to have a fighter who comes from a negative point of view. He sees something and says let me take it. But no one wants to take the bag out of the fire. When you talk to me about Djaković, you go through my head like a little mill. But you trained well. He’s in the same category. He’s in the lower category. He’s in the lower category for training. But wait, Lomi is from Kiev. He’s in your category. He’s in your category. I don’t think you can compete with each other. We did, but we literally agreed. Me and Djaković. We have some common friends. Lomi and I. We said we won’t fight if we don’t have to. Fuck him if it’s for the belt. That’s a different thing. He’s in the game for the belt, right? I think he lost because of Rutkovski. Rutkovski, yes. He lost because of a decision. There was some other fight. Rutkovski is a man. He’s like Tiro Peć, the Croatian. Yes. He’s a smart guy. He’s not useless. In essence, you have… Your category is the hardest. The champion is the most dominant. Saladin, Parnassus. Saladin is the best fighter in the UFC. You have a good challenge. If you take the belt, you’re ready for anything. Yes. You have to go through the loop right away. I don’t know what your goal is in the UFC. But you have a serious champion. Yes. I was in the corner against him when I was training with Daniel Torres. I was in the corner when he knocked out Parnassus. We trained for him. I know what he does and how he does it. You see. I saw some things that could… Now, he’s really the best. I believe he’s the hardest opponent. He’s the hardest opponent in Europe that you can have at the moment. Wait. He’s the first fighter now to try to take the third division. Yes. He did it in 7-7. And he lost at the decision. He lost at the decision? At the same event when I was working. He lost? Yes. He lost. But he’s the first up to 7-10. 6-6. 7-7. And now he’s trying to take the belt. He lost in five rounds. And that… Who knows… Machine. He’s a machine. He’s from France. He’s a machine. But he’s a talent. He’s a super talent. He’s younger than me. He’s older than Dano. Really? Yes. He’s incredible. That’s the sport. He went to PMA. Yes. He won. No. He evolved. Now, everyone knows MMA. Everyone knows everything. When a talent comes like that… When a talent comes like that… When a talent comes like that… Some… He’s a hybrid fighter. When will they come? When someone comes to us who knows everything. Man. Nobody knows how to walk. When he says… Everyone knows everything. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. He’s not sorry. When he comes… I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’ll be champion. Why do you want to be champion? Get out and be some other champion. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. I find it funny, but it’s nice that people recognize you, even if in some way, I’m not the kind of guy who goes for it, but it’s nice when someone tells you I started training because of you, I don’t know, I started something, for me it’s like, fuck, I’m not even aware that I’m influencing something, there are always other people influencing me, and then I see that I’m influencing someone, and then I realize, fuck, I have to listen to what they’re saying, I can’t be an idiot, I can’t be stupid. I can understand that. Thank you, you made me laugh so beautifully. No, like I said, you have to be a kind of a user, you can’t be just… I’m always happy, I’m laughing because I’m born all my life, you know. I can’t even say I was born. How many clubs do you have in Sarajevo now? In Sarajevo we have, I think, three clubs, and they are MMA Fighter Academy, there is Ronin MMA, and there is Bushid, they also do some MMA, but they are more based on Jiu-Jitsu, but I would say that there are not many professional fighters, there is me, Djelad Muftić, there is Tomas Palhović, he is, again, for himself… Tomas, everyone knows him. We are in the lower category, we are magnets for him, he is a huge man. But, you know, it’s a different category. There is no point in all of us doing some training, fuck him, he needs bigger people, bigger… It’s different, you need a sparring partner that is in your category. Again, when someone is too heavy, heavyweight, heavyweight, heavyweight, you are always… The second you hurt yourself, you are in trouble. But, really, we have a younger team, we have a couple of guys that are really good amateurs. I won’t mention them, because they get carried away, they think they are something. Let them come slowly, let them show themselves. In any case, they will have to show themselves. Yes, yes, yes. Excuse me, could you… Rodjo, this is not normal. This is a story from our time on the Dinosaurus. The guy is normal, the story is normal. It doesn’t look normal. You have to go to the doctor as soon as possible. I have to, I have to, I have to. You stay in Belarus tonight, tomorrow I will take you to the MMA to see if you are normal. I have to, I have to, I have to do something, I have to… Do you think you will be able to get out in the end with that… With that trend of messing with stupidity, I don’t know, making shit and all that, so that everything would be a riot. Do you think it is enough for you to have only performance? I think it is not enough, honestly. Honestly, I think it is not enough. I think I have to work on it, I have to work on myself. But that is another challenge. And that has nothing to do with wrestling. Now you have to put yourself in a position where you have nothing to do with this. Do you want me to practice? Take a glass and give it to me. Here you go. Here you go. Give it to me. You know how bad it is, bro. You know how bad it is, give it to me. I am not good. I am not good. We had Blaziblad in… Blaz is not the one who is… He doesn’t have that in kickboxing, he only has it in MMA. Just think about it, today… He doesn’t have that. He doesn’t have that in kickboxing. Fuck you, bravo. What did Badr do in MMA? He is a heavyweight again, you know. He is always attractive. You don’t have a lot of heavyweights. Real ones. He doesn’t have that in real life. You know, when they are always knockouts… And when you see him, you see him with his leg as dry as a rock. Fuck you. What is that? We did quadriceps. We were standing right next to him in Zagreb. I was giving him a hand. I was like, fuck, my hand doesn’t fit. I don’t know what this is. Back then, I was modest. It wasn’t like, oh, you want to take a picture with me? The man was surprised. We came to take a picture with him. And now, fuck, he is one of the biggest stars. But I want to say… The look is also related. If you look a little… Glamorous. You have a few days of tattoos. All of that plays a role in people’s lives. They see, oh, this one is awesome. Why? No, you have… Skinny face. Skinny face if you want. No, no. But again, if you are the most normal, people won’t look at you. But when you have, as I would say, that performance, some… That you are a jerk. Yes, that you are a jerk. When you come in, you tell everyone, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. You have a mouth. And then… And a shadow in your eye. Bro, the worst, total insult. You have to practice. I have to. You would be a star if you started that. I have to. But no… But not everyone can do that. No, I can’t. You know Vaso. And that is what you train. And that is what you train. And that is what you train. That is the story of our grandpa. Grandpa. Yes. Grandpa Tera Rakić. To stand and look ahead and imagine the opponent when we go, when we go. Come on. To practice. To practice. Yes. Rakić is a man who is really… Well, yes. A man in person, next to himself. A man in person, next to himself. A man in person, next to himself. He is a legend. But again, let’s mention our short Vaso. He is a born moron, isn’t he? And now listen to the story that he will be born trash. Wait, I remembered. He was born and I lead Vaso in 2012. I think he fought in Sarajevo, in Skenderija. I was at that event. Yes. I was. And one of my other friends came to Sarajevo and we talked about something. He said, I don’t know. I don’t know. And we talked about something. And now I understood it the same way we are talking now. You know, I listen to him and I say in Turkish, ya, ya. He says, Ođa, how do you change your mother’s name? And I say, ya, ha, ha, ha, ha. Do you remember? No, because we literally came to Sarajevo, I don’t know who we were. We sat down for lunch. Now we are talking about something and now suddenly he says, ya, ya. Ya, ya, ya, ya. I just changed my mother’s name. You have to adjust a little bit now. But you are from Sarajevo, right? Yes, I was born there. He is a little bit of a jerk. He can’t. He can’t. That’s it. That’s the best. He said you work in a stand-up. Yes, fuck. I didn’t know that. It’s in Bugavica. It’s in Bugavica. I was in Bugavica. My first interview. That noisy camera. You know when I was there? I had 80 kilos. 85, 60 kilos. Dried meat. Bacallan. As you train. I work in a stand-up. I work in a party. And they look at me. And you say, yes, I am. Okay, come on, what’s up? They are the best cevapis in Želje. Never. They are. They say Belja is in Zmaj. I am not in Zmaj. I am Ferhatovic. It looks like Belja has a sponsor for Zmaj. Ferhatovic is the best. You know Savicic, to not advertise him, he brought him once. He is Ferhatovic. But they say he is a very good player. And who is this? Brajlović. Brajlović is also. They say he is a kid. Top Brajlović, but for me Ferhatovic for cevapis is top. It’s number one. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. Hođić is also a good player. He is a great player. So, Ferhatovic is more than Hođić, so he knows them all. But he is the one who wanted to beat those cevapis. No, he wants to beat me too. But everyone says cevapis. No one talks about Mantija. Mantija asks, bro, what cevapis are you talking about? Well, he asks, too. But he is a good player. Don’t say it again, please. Let’s not get to know each other. I won’t hold back. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. I won’t. Have you watched any TV shows? No, I haven’t watched. Tell me the truth. Trust me. I’ve watched everything. You I always watch them when they come. In your category? No, I watch other sports. Majdov comes, we train. He trains at Igman, and I train at Igman. Are you from Stepenica? Of course I am. That’s it. That’s the cardio. And that’s the thing. I watch, and I do it. We have a lot in common. I watch other fighters, and I’m like, these are the guys. A lot of our people are from Chechnya, Dagestan, and we’re fucked. We’re not even… Our Inat is a miracle. Our Inat is a miracle. But we have a problem. We have a complex, like we’re less valuable than others. You killed us all. Well, yes. I thought about it. You know, all those people who made great results, what kind of mindset is that? It’s hard to believe in that idea. Probably, a lot of athletes in the world have physical and technical abilities to be the best. But it’s hard to believe in that idea that you can really do it. Even if you can do it physically and technically, you’re a champion. You have to be a champion. But everyone has a different mindset. America has 300 million people. We don’t have 15 million people who speak the same language. Fuck, we have a better result than America. Now, everyone will laugh, but… No, no. In percentage. In percentage. In percentage. Fuck, let’s start from football. It’s crazy. In percentage. It’s not football. What kind of result is that? What kind of result is that? Fuck, it’s not that. In percentage, we’re better. What percentage? We were crazy. We have the best kickboxer. We have the best in MMA. What do you mean, the best? The best. There are five of us in the world. In percentage, it’s not something special. There is a statistic on how many medals the country has won in the Olympic Games. And that’s for the Olympic Games? Generally. Is that the data? I don’t know. There is a standard on how many medals the country has won. It varies a bit. The most athletic country in the world has won a medal on the head of a Hungarian citizen. Fuck. The Hungarians are crazy. The Hungarians have 10 million, but there is no Olympic Games where they don’t win a medal. The Americans have always had 30, 40, 50 medals, but they have 300 million. And they have the most money. And you fuck money. But they have 300 million. 300 million. In percentage, it’s not something special. Russia has always won. Especially the USSR. They dominated back then. It’s a huge area. But again, we’re talking about tens, hundreds of millions. How much did the South have? Did they have 20 million? I think 20 million. Fuck me. Sorry. There was a system, but it’s a lie. No, I wanted to say that. In the 90s, the Red Star was preparing… How do you know you weren’t born? The Red Star was preparing for Igman that year. Who? The Red Star. Sorry. I’m sorry. And then, the Yugoslav basketball team was preparing. And Literaturka lost in the game, but so did preferences. I’m not apologetic to hockey. I’m the periphern to insect fishing, so who can’t say that it was my father? Majdo said it. Majdo’s father, he was like, looking Aha, I remember when you were running for the Olympic team in 1984. I was only born and raised in Orođe. When I was a kid, I still have the name Jorgan, the one on the floor with the bull. I think I still have that name. It’s amazing. I remember when I was a kid, I used to buy signs for the Olympic Games. We have a great thing. They say, go to Dagestan, to the mountain. I took the mountain 15 minutes away from home. Sarajevo is positioned, I don’t know how many people know it. There are six mountains around Sarajevo. Wherever you go, it’s over 1,500 meters. Wherever you go, it’s hell. You come to the highest mountain in 35-40 minutes. It’s a wealth that we don’t use. You can’t use it when you were killed 30 years ago by your mother. People are also lazy. I watch these football teams, Željo, Sarajevo. I don’t see them running up there. I don’t see the bus going up there. No, they’re smoking. They smoke on the gravel, they sit, they fuck, and that’s it. That’s the mindset. Poraz, take the bus, drive them up. I go to Kido twice a week. Let me see the cardio then. If you get a call for a football club, Željo, I should meet you. I’m from Grbavac. Do you follow any other sports? I follow football, basketball. I’ve been following Jokić lately. He’s really good. He doesn’t try too hard. He’s a machine. I like football. It’s a different kind of love. Did you play football? Yes, I did. Who was the first to play football? Before that, I played Taekwondo. But that was something short. I wasn’t good at it. It’s written in the rules that whoever is good at it, should play football. They have to. They kicked him out of football because of what he was doing. I fought with a kid. I was a kid. I pushed him and he got a little brain stroke. And that’s it. Now he says he pushed him. He pushed him. He pushed him. Everyone has that. Fuck him. I saw him later. I’ve always been a fan of football. My mom was a top player. I watched Mirko. Fuck you, Mirko. We all worked for Mirko. Everyone. I don’t know who didn’t. Whoever says they didn’t watch Mirko, they’re lying. Either they’re lying or he was born in 2000. Yes. He was born in 2010. If he was born in 2000, you know. I think he was born in 2002, 2003. He played his first game in 2004 or 2005 with Fedor. In 2006, he won the K1. He won his Pride. In 2006. There you go. That’s when you played with Josh Barnett in the final. And the semifinals were won by Wanderlei Silva. He was an incredible hitter. He was really good. Not just three or four times. Not Barnett, but Silva. The second game with Wanderlei Silva. Barnett was a dangerous fighter. They put Silva on the bench and asked if he could catch him. I don’t know how strong he was. He was heavier in that game. He weighed two kilos. Two kilos? Yes, he was heavier. He pushed him with his backhand. I remember Barnett. I remember Mirko. Barnett. He was a serious hitter. He didn’t have to break anything. Mirko didn’t suit him at all. He hit him like that. I remember him. I think Barnett had five or six defeats because of that. Yes. I remember him hitting him like that. That’s how he managed to get the ball. Yes, I remember him. No more. Not in the head, but in the body. He humiliated him. Yes. He played in the final of the Grand Prix. He played in the Strike Force. Yes. He was really good. But Mirko… We have to mention Mirko in every show. We know he’s a hunter. Yes, I know. I don’t know if he is. I would like him to be a hunter. Thank you for what he did. He pushed us all the way. He motivated us in some way. Someone threw Igor Pokrajac over him. He came to the UFC. In the end, he made a better result than him in the UFC. If we look at the victories. Yes. How many victories he had. But Mirko is… Mirko is for me… What? Tatamata. I was with him. .. I was with Stari. That’s how it was. Stari and I watch Mirko’s matches. That’s it. That’s our friendship. We watch his highlights. I know every knockout. I know every match. I know every day. I remember exactly in which second he knocked out. But I would like him to be… That’s some kind of fanaticism. I grew up. That’s why it’s hard for me to joke about some new MMA fighters. Or those who suck. I can’t. It’s a bit under my belt. What do I know? Maybe you should come to the belt for that. Yes. Maybe you should come to the belt for that. Yes. Or maybe we can see each other. Maybe he’s right. Maybe it’s because I got nervous and wanted to tell him to go to hell. Maybe that. But now… It’s hard for me to deal with someone who has the same dream as I do. It’s normal for me to tell him if I’m doing something. If I’m moving. Maybe it’s because… That’s why I’m proud. If he weren’t there for me, I wouldn’t be there. Because we both earn that bread together. In some way. On the other hand, you have some fighters that go to the ring for real. I don’t know. I’m not even there. Conor. Conor. It’s been a long time. It’s been a long time. It’s been a long time. Conor. I’m laughing now. If Conor is not a fighter, he goes to the ring for real. I’m laughing now. I’m sorry for him. I’m not sorry for him because he has billions. Okay. I’m sorry for him because I see that he doesn’t have… You lost. I’m sorry for him because I see that he doesn’t have any real friend. You can’t do that. It’s too much. It’s too much ego. You see that he… Except he’s big, he’s small. Unfortunately. Fuck. I don’t know why he’s so big. We all need to hate him. I don’t know why he’s so big. I didn’t watch it. Tell me, no one in the podcast has told us that he was in Mjolnir. Yes. How was the experience there with Gunnar Nelson? Gunnar Nelson, that’s the most fucking awesome guy. He’s an innovator for that part. Damien Maia. Damien. What’s his name? Damien. Damien. Damien. I was watching it. You were watching it. I was watching it. Maia, Damien. Well done. That’s how it is. Damn, when Damien Maia appeared… When he appeared, he was a real fighter. He’s crazy. For MMA. Gunnar Nelson is one of the new generation. When he appeared, he was 10 years old. He was almost 12. You can’t… The only guy is Silva. Silva played with him. He played with him, but fuck him. He fought Dana White. Dana White said, Silva, one more fight, that’s it. That’s how it was. And then, behind Vitor Belfort, he got up with a front kick. And all of a sudden, here he is. Good Silva. Good Silva. He’s the one who will never be born again. Yes. He’s like Ronaldinho in football. Yes. He’s a magician. Yes. You can simply have these dominant… And they say he’s the best in Brazil today. Of course. He’s… He was the biggest as a brand. Yes. He literally made a brand. Look, look. Brandy and McGregor. But no one made a man like McGregor. This is Jordan. This is Jordan? Yes, Jordan. Come on, man. He’s the only one. How was it with McGregor? How was it with Gunnar? What did you like about him? And what is Gunnar like? We don’t know anything about Gunnar. Yes. He’s… He’s such an idiot. Did you see? The boy is an idiot. The boy is an idiot. The boy is an idiot. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. My pleasure. Thank you. You’re welcome. You’re welcome. Okay. You’re welcome. Okay. Good luck with your life. Yeah. Thanks a lot. Anyway. That’s great. Dec internet. Sounds great. Let’s talk about the fans. In your opinion, how do you identify them? Well… You simply don’t have an answer to his part, because he is a great man. Also, in stand-up, he is very cool, calm, some kind of karate style. He has blitzes, attacks… But, bro, when he hits you… It looked like he was from Pornice. He was uncomfortable. Karate style… That’s how I knew him. How did you know him before? Kampmann? Martin Kampmann, he is from Denmark. Martin Kampmann from our time. He was good, but he wasn’t top 5. He was top 10, but not top 5. Sometimes, you miss a moment. He was tough, like your Neil Magny. He was tough. You fight with him, he is tough. There are some people who don’t have what they need to become a champion. If you don’t need to show it, you can show it like this. There are fighters who can’t get it. There are fighters who can’t get it. There are fighters who can’t get it. There are fighters who can’t get it. There are fighters who can’t get it. But, for example, Scuanta is from DC. And John Jones. If John Jones wasn’t there, DC would be unbeatable. Who would fight him? Who would fight him? In your time, there are two fighters… You have one fighter who is… I can see why I’m not the best. I can see it because of Anderson. He beat me. 100%. 100%. I’m begging you one more time. He was not his. And, regarding training, I assume, there you are the most advanced in the ground and in that segment. Yes. That he is the king. Yes, the ground is the best for them. They practice Jiu-Jitsu the most. And that helped me a lot. And what about Jiu-Jitsu? Fuck MMA. What does Jiu-Jitsu do? He has a lot of… He works for MMA. He works for MMA. He is an offensive non-stop. He is an offensive non-stop. He is in a defensive position. He looks to sweep you, to get up. So, there is not much lying on the ground. When you say Jiu-Jitsu is offensive, Jiu-Jitsu is a lie. What is offensive Jiu-Jitsu? Now you will correct what Jiu-Jitsu is. Jiu-Jitsu is actually… I talked to a guy with a red belt who got black belt from Helia Gracia. He is Brazilian. And he says to me, you know what Jiu-Jitsu is? Jiu-Jitsu is a fight. How did it happen? That I fought 50 times with the same person. We meet on the street, we fight. But we are both Jiu-Jitsu, from another school. But we fight. Really. Why does Jiu-Jitsu serve us? To go there, to fight with someone and beat him up. In fact, what is happening now, that people are practicing Jiu-Jitsu, that is a new trend. In fact, Jiu-Jitsu was used to destroy a man, to finish him, to… To beat him up. No, to beat him up, to beat him up. To beat him up, to beat him up. To beat him up, to beat him up. That’s why Jiu-Jitsu was used. And he says to me, you can’t do Jiu-Jitsu with a belt. He told me, you can’t do Jiu-Jitsu with a belt. I said, I have a black belt, I don’t know, a coral belt. So, you can’t do Jiu-Jitsu with a belt in MMA. You will get such blows. You can beat one or two, but you will get a third match. You will get such blows. You will not win. You will not win. You have to be good. You have to change your style. And that’s when I started to develop. I have to be better, I have to sweep. I have to fight right away. So, there is no fucking way. And that is actually… From Gunnar, Nelson, from all of them, to be in a better position. To not be down. That is for me… I think that is the right thing for all grapplers. I have heard some grapplers who say, you can go to one level. To one level. To another level. And then you will reach that level where you will all get beaten up. And you have to change. And you literally spent time because you are working. And then it is too late to do it. It is too late. You have already received blows. You have already… Fuck him. Our era of zombies has passed. The only guy who is with Jiu-Jitsu… I would really work with our good fighters in Jiu-Jitsu. When you throw in blows, they don’t exist. The only one is Rajacic. I know Rajacic. I know him, of course. If you throw in blows, you are done in a second. If you don’t throw in blows, you can hold out for 5-10 seconds. He is just disgusting. Imagine when a man like him gets an MMA on the ground. He beats him up. How much does he beat him up? Poljak got him on a match in Poland and… No, no, let him go with a blow. He has a blow in his head. Let him go. But his… No, no. But again, he is always dangerous on the ground. He is really dangerous. I have never… When we did the first and last match of Rođa in 2008, when we went there for the first time, when we saw the black belt, Rajacic didn’t have a black belt. We didn’t even know him then. Because the black belt can’t finish Rođa. He made a mess in Rođa, but he can’t finish him. He got up, he tried to shake his head, and Rođa laughed at him. He was like… Thank you for laughing. He was like… Okay. What’s wrong with you? It’s my fault. That’s the attitude you have. There are those jiu-jitsu fighters who… The jiu-jitsu? And then you get MMA mindset and you just go for it. And then it’s a little… And that’s the jiu-jitsu that has the biggest problem. We take to work with Rajacic. A man who has at that moment 70… He doesn’t have 75 kilos. He has 72-73 kilos. Bro. I have never worked with someone in my life to finish me in 5 minutes 30 times. But really. Not even for a push-up. Whatever. You can’t anymore. You don’t have time to tap. Just… You know what’s interesting? That’s it. The difference remains the same. I… For example. When I went to train, advanced, worked with a brutal black belt, I was always like… Now you’re going to see. And I come… And he comes 5 times. I finish. And then he comes. Now you’re going to see. Again 5 times. MMA or grappling? We worked. .. We worked… I’m talking about grappling. Okay. We worked in MMA differently. Differently. It is different, bro. But with him… No, no, no. He’s crazy. He’s crazy. Definitely. He’s crazy. He’s a moron. He’s just… You know… But fuck him. He always has something… He always has something. He’s an abnormal talent. So, he… He succeeded in everything. And that tournament… You probably… Yes, yes. ADCC. No. Polaris. Ah, Polaris. Yes, yes, yes. When he took it… He took it… 40% of the training. 30%. Yes, yes, yes. Simply. Well, you have such people. You know… I have. I have. I have. I have. This is so… He animals. And you know… Wait. I think I have a problem too… That you take a full training. Pl glucose. Yes. An belum. I’ve got it. Good. I’ve got it. That’s all right. That’s all right. Please. I’m not a young pupil anymore. Well, do you know… Then you pay. Whyй It’s all right. Hafiz is often dujęacem… Not I’m not a young pupil. Why do they do this? What goes Powers… I do not know. That’s how it used to be back in the day, but fuck it, it’s still the same today. Yeah, now it’s like in the war, everyone has a black belt, fuck it. But I mean, it’s legit, fuck it, people have been training for 12, 15 years, you can’t tell them you don’t have a black belt, so fuck it. Why can’t they, man? I mean, I’ve been training for 20 years, I don’t have a blue belt. But you didn’t have to struggle with that, you didn’t have to wear a gi all the time. I’ve never seen such frustration in my life. Yeah, it’s like a madman’s shirt. Come on, man, let me go! Yeah, a madman’s shirt, you close it, especially those warm guards, fuck it, you’re gonna get a bruise, you’re gonna get a bruise. I don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re gonna get a bruise, you don’t know how to do it. My daughter started jiu-jitsu a few days ago, and she came to me like this, she took me here like this, like this, like this. I said, what are you doing? She said, I’m pushing you, but you don’t know. I’m not pushing you. She started laughing. She said, I’m pushing you, but you don’t know. I said, I love you. That’s what jiu-jitsu is. That’s it. Maybe they give a little too much meaning. In judo, for example, the belt has never calmed down. It hasn’t. So, it seems to me that jiu-jitsu give a little too much emphasis on the belt. That’s commercialization. It’s really an emphasis on the belt. That’s commercialization. You now have a competition in blue belts, then in blue, then in black, and that doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t make sense. You now have Swedish champions in blue belts, then in blue, then in black. And now they announce this, they say I’m the world champion, but in the blue belt. Buraz, you’re not the world champion, you won, I don’t know. Watch out, to be the world champion in the blue belt, that’s bullshit. But it’s not the same. That’s bullshit. But those are your complete contenders. You’ve been wearing a blue belt for ten years. Yes, well, you have. And then I’m like, fuck off, eat shit. No, but. You’ve been wearing a blue belt for ten years. Yes, you have, bro. So, in black belts, fuck it, that’s the right level to know if you’re the world champion or not. While in judo, Buraz, you’re in one category. You come from the weight class. I don’t know what your belt is. I think I got a blue belt after three years because I didn’t go to the competition. If you have to go to the competition. If you go to the competition, we have ten matches already in MMA. I don’t know. We won’t even give you a belt, man. Are you with the jury? No, no, I’m in Switzerland. The jury is well known for the fact that you get a blue belt after a couple of years. Yes, yes, but it’s better for me again. In some way. There’s the biggest difference between the competition belt and people who only train. The black belt is a totally different man from the black belt. The black belt is the one who trains. The black belt is the one who rolls a bit. The black belt is the one who rolls a bit. That’s it. Let’s try the jiu-jitsu theme today. The jiu-jitsu has opened up. This is meant for men. Jiu-jitsu is not for men. No, no. I respect and love jiu-jitsu. I trained in it. It’s a top sport for me. You trained in it. You can do that sport for 50 years. Of course. You can do it 100%. Always. Don’t hurt each other. Jiu-jitsu can’t be 100%. How did we hurt each other? I was just talking to Kukula. If you have jiu-jitsu, you can do it 100% of your life. Tighten up. Let’s go. If you catch jiu-jitsu, you can do it 100% of your life. There’s no need to put it in your mouth. It’s enough. It’s less spent. You’re on your knees non-stop. You open your eyes. It can be a dead game for two days. Yes, yes, yes. That’s the thing. Let’s talk about this black belt. There’s a black belt from Demjan Maja. When I was fighting in Russia, that was the first time I met a black belt. I was 17 years old. We were going to Siberia. You were fighting in Siberia? Yes, yes. I was fighting in Siberia with a Dagestan. We were going up together. Finac was fighting against a Russian. We were like Europeans going up. He had a black belt. I was like, fuck. Maja, I’m blue. He was like, fuck, he has a black belt. I’m blue. I’m not a black belt. Maybe I should be a black belt. It didn’t matter. I remember right then, I saw him trying some grappling and jiu-jitsu. He got such a kick from Lika. He really killed him. That’s when I saw, fuck. I won that match at Rear Naked Joke. I was fighting with Konta. How? That jiu-jitsu. It didn’t matter if you had a black belt or not. How do you apply that in MMA? I have a black belt today. If I can’t apply that in MMA jiu-jitsu, it doesn’t make sense. Can you give me a belt now? Please, give me a belt. I don’t have a belt. I can give it to you. Who are you going to? For 100 euros. Fuck, I can give you a blue one. I can give you a blue one. I can give you a 50 euro one. I can give you a white one. I can give you four cheeses. Wait, you have a white belt now? Yes, I do. How many lines do you have? I don’t know. Four cheeses, then you go to a blue belt, and then you go to a white belt. Four in each? Yes. That’s legit. That’s how it should be. But there are people who only go to a white belt. Every time you have this cheeses line, what would you call it? Cheeses line. Yes. What year is it? No, no, no, it’s not. That’s a percent of a coach. You’re better now. Wait, wait. This year you signed a good contract, it will be a cheeses line. It can be two lines. Yes, yes, yes, that’s it. Do you have that? Yes, of course. Do you have that? Yes, of course. Do people take it online later? Yes, you do. That’s the most normal thing. How do you take it online? Online course. I don’t know how it goes. I don’t know how you roll online. How do you change it? No, no, no, don’t take it. He’s going to teach me how to do it. You have a kimono and a black belt. I have a black belt. I have a black belt. I have a black belt. I wear a kimono. If I’m a person. But look, the kimono is really nice when you see it. But only when you see it. When I put it on, it looks good. The kimono is one level where you learn the movements. You figure out where you can move. You know, when you train in a kimono. Especially with a kimono. Yes, and when you take off the kimono, you know how easy it is. You just see, oh, you see holes here, you see holes there. You know, one… The kimono is slower. The kimono is slower and easier when you’re on the ground. When you come without a kimono and when you’re sweaty. It’s all crumpled up. Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. You know what I’m talking about. But look, when you can’t get through the guard in a kimono. You can’t get through. Then in grappling, you have no chance to get through your legs. In our time, it was the opposite. You can’t get through the guard. A man has his bra like this. You can’t get through it. And he has his foot like he has his hand, you know. He puts his foot like this, you know. And his hand is like this. Like a monkey. It’s not that nice. It’s not that nice to get through. And next time, you’re still naked. You said it in our time. He’s just like an orangutan. When he grabs you, you don’t know who you’re talking to, bro. Damn. What’s the plan for the future? Tell us about the next match. We know something. Well, the next match should be in April or May. Most likely. Well, now I would have to start with preparations. I always train twice a day. It’s standard for me now. I live it. I just train. And now I hope… I got an offer. I was fighting with Rutkovski. I agreed. Who was it? It’s the one that… Pejic. Pejic won. He knocked him out. He’s small and strong. Yes. But he’s a really good Croat. And he wants to fight. He’s a counter. He’s a counter. He’s a counter. He’s not comfortable. He’s not comfortable. He’s a Croat. He’s a counter. He can’t get any worse. Well, you have that in Sava. Well, I do. I do. When I train with Robert, I can’t get any worse. Yes. When you beat him… When you do stand-up, then you can’t beat Rutkovski. Well, with him, every training is hard. And at the same time, it’s hard. I’m sorry to interrupt. Why hasn’t he come to the podcast yet? He’s waiting for the match. He’s waiting for the match. Yes, yes. Nobody will accept the match. That’s a tragedy. He’s coming out, right? Yes, yes. He has a problem getting the match, right? Yes, yes. He’s given him a rematch. He was looking for it. Yes. I expected him to go through this. He went through it. He’s the only one who made it. No, he couldn’t. When he threw it… No, not that one. Not that one. The first match he did. No, the first match. He didn’t do it with that. He didn’t do it with that. It’s not even a match. I saw Soldić for the first time. I saw Soldić going there to fight someone. To tell him, fuck him, fuck him. He finished on the hill, he can’t do anything. Fuck you, Kukuš. Who is that? Who is that? He signed with. .. He signed with PFL. With PFL. He went out to PFL. The bitch ran away. Yes. The bitch ran away. But no… He did it with Šveđanjević, who knocked him out. Yes. He hit Soldić with his elbow. Yes, yes. But Soldić was better. He was better. He was better all the time. No, no, no. He was the same as Kovalo in the first round. Yes. That’s a tactic. Yes. We talked a bit about tactics. That guy had a tactic. Yes. He literally just waited. He waited, received and was in the ring two or three times. And how to get in. I don’t know. Now they probably scanned whether Soldić, when he enters the exchange, is more open. But Soldić hasn’t been playing for a long time. He’s been playing since May. Since May. I know he hasn’t been playing. But I think he will… We’ll have to give him a match soon. Because, fuck it. Ajmamak is constantly in training. I know. I see that… He’s always in constant training. He’s always in constant training. Really. I mean, every time I come, he’s extremely active. There’s no second of space with him that he’s in some, I don’t know, I don’t know, phase where he’s resting. He’s working hard. So, he’s… You know, he’s working. He’s a real worker. He moved to Bosnia. Yes. He moved back to Bosnia. I mean, he simply decided, okay, I want my children to grow up here again. With some values. Yes, he’s meant for it. He’s an expert. I understand values, so do I, because I was like that too. I’ve been everywhere. I’ve been to America, I’ve been to Germany, to Austria, I don’t know, I’ve gone. Did you go to Sweden? I’ve been to Russia, you know? And I’ve climbed… Srespes has finished. You’ve climbed Srespes. And I didn’t hear Srespes and… I’m telling you, did you see every part? No. There’s no life here. Do you find it the best here, huh? No, I like what’s happening here. You can go out at 12, there is no problem at night, you can go out at 2, it can happen everywhere, of course, but I want to say in general that you will not have any problems on the street if you go out, in big cities the most normal people go out and behave normally. You can eat and drink coffee at 2 in the morning and at 8 in the morning. Yes, and also your children are growing up with some values that we grew up with earlier, before us. As much as it is still the same, when we talk about Germany, people are already a little softer, different, and I would say I understand why he came back and I would also like to be in his place. You know, life in Bosnia and life in Germany is a big difference, and I absolutely understand him. On the other hand, I would also like to be in his place. You know, life in Bosnia and life in Germany is a big difference, and I absolutely understand him. On the other hand, I would also like to be in his place. You know, life in Bosnia and life in Germany is a big difference, and I absolutely understand him. On the other hand, I would also like to be in his place. You know, life in Bosnia and life in Germany is a big difference, and I absolutely understand him. Now I have one of the best fighters in the world, I can say, let’s train him, to be more satisfied, it is a chance every time when I work with him and sometimes he kills me, I die, no, he does his thing carefully, but the way he trains me makes me feel that I need to work harder. I always say to myself that I need to be better, I need to find a way to be better, that’s what I said in the beginning, how the coach taught me from the beginning. Don’t ever give yourself an answer, this one has something, that one doesn’t. What did you do wrong in that training, that’s it, the next training you will do, that’s better, fuck it, finish it, then it’s better again. I have a story about Rob. He was preparing for a boxing match, you know, one time before he was a champion, everyone was doing boxing matches. He says, bro, there is no one, the coach says, I need a round in boxing, we say, let’s go down. You go down to the gym, and he puts on a helmet, I look at him, he puts on a helmet, and I tell him, he says, put on a helmet, I’m sick, you know. I said, bro, I don’t wear that, what will my socks wear? He put on a gum for teeth. I said, I don’t wear that, what kind of socks, I said, can you give me that? Bro, let’s go to boxing. He should have stopped. Listen, Limbao is really grateful, you know, Limbao is really grateful. No, he’s really doing it, bro, he’s really… And he’s not wrong, bro, he’s not wrong. Because he’s with those champions, you know, because people like to shit a lot when they come to someone, you know, and they’re like, I see, bro, I’m afraid of you, I won’t kick you out. And then they go and start… No, you know what, you know what’s the worst? Because that happens all the time. And you know what, it’s people, but it’s also people who come, who are those idiots, imagine who those idiots are when you come to him in the gym, and he knocks out everyone’s ball, and you do well… You think you’re better. That’s Mirko, nice to see him. He doesn’t have that. Imagine how many idiots are there when they come and say, fuck, I did well. I did well, I was better. Man, he lowered the tempo. Man, when he wants, he says, bro, I knocked him out, I know that, but still, fuck him, let me do the best I can for myself. No, you know, that’s fascinating, he knows how to lower the level, to physically be equal, to physically lower it by 20, 30, 40 percent as much as it should be. Yes, yes, yes. And we start sparring boxing. And now? And he’s already boxing with serious boxers in the gym. There are a lot of boxers in the gym. Yes, yes. And real boxers, I don’t know. Mano Čar was with him. Who? Gerard. Yes, Gerard, yes. He did sparring with Gerard and everything. He’ll tell you a story about Gerard when he comes to the podcast. And now I’m working with him. Now I’m avoiding the fight like that, it’s not easy to beat me, but he’s a brother, he controls, he knows everything. And now I’m fighting. And look at this. You’re a brawler, fucker, how is that? Thank God I’m not a brawler, otherwise I would have said something else here. And we’re working, we’re working, and now, fuck it, boxing, you have to stop and work. You have to. Boxing, you have to. You have to, bro, you have to stop, it’s easy, you hit. But it’s good. And, bro, look at this. Now it starts to tickle the head, fuck you. Tickle the head, you know, tickle the head. And I’m standing like that, let him do something, and he’s like, bro, like Singer, and he’s working, he’s not stopping, bro. And he hits my head. Bro. He hit my brain. He hit my head. He hit my head. I say, stop. And he says, what’s wrong? I say, bro. I’m wearing a suit, bro. I got my head in when he hit me. I know. He really has those, you know, those thick gloves. That’s where it hits. That’s where it hits. It’s the same, bro, but with a thumb. What do you mean, he has big gloves, what’s wrong? But, bro, it’s small. But 16 hours, you know, it’s not 10. But it hits. 16 hours makes a bigger damage than 14 and 12. Because 14 and 12 hits and causes chaos. It hits and causes chaos. It hits and causes chaos. So, guys, put on a suit. But that suit is amazing, bro. You hit, huh, it comes back. Huh, it comes back. I have a head, mashallah. So, it’s good. It’s a secret. It’s a secret. Bro, can I hum? You can hum. Wait, let me ask you a few more things. What do you do in your free time? Well, what do I know? It’s a hobby. I play the guitar. Wow! What did you do now? Give me the guitar. Give me the guitar so we can hit the strings. That would be good for Riluz. Well, I don’t know. I listen to metal. Maybe we can do something different. I’ll sing. I’ll sing. I don’t know, but I know. I don’t know how to sing, but I love it. Will you hum? I don’t know how to hum. But tell me, since which piano? My father played the piano, then I activated it, practiced a bit, then I got an earful and I’ve learned a little. I started with listening, then my father bought a guitar and I learned a little bit of soul crash as well. Because I love metal and rock, and so on. Tim Cohen’s first pool bang was on covered. Did I say? You even had a como. That is my hobby, sometimes I play some games instead of that. What do you play? I played Counter-Strike and Call of Duty Warzone. I was serious, I played 1.6, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, I started with 1.3. Do you know Cage? I know him, he is from Bosnia. There was Soble from Bosnia. Yes, he is my friend. Euphoria. Yes, Euphoria, they were from Bosnia. They were really good back then. They even kicked me out of a tournament. They were really good. Cageta, to mention Cage. He is my friend. Maybe if you only recognized Soble, there is no chance to recognize these two. Yes, I think so. It was 15 years ago. I watched it. Did you follow him? Yes, I followed him like MMA. I was a fan of his. I said to him, I watched you. He said, give it to me, don’t fuck me up. It was a circle of narrow people who followed him. It was interesting to me. I loved watching. Wait, Call of Duty? This is a recreational game. It is Warzone, you play Battle Royale. Call of Duty? Shut up. You shut up. I am too drunk. Wait, is there anything else you like? Let’s not say that it is not related to games and playing. Is there anything you like about nature? Of course. For example, I never liked burning. No, I don’t like burning. I played chess when I was a child. It was interesting. I know. We have a test now. Let’s see. Thank you. Let’s see. I will play it. Just see the wires. The wires are made of rust. Because Aca likes to let go of rust. I have an app. That’s it. I don’t know if we all play, but I have an app. Turn off the power. Let it go. I don’t know if I can play it. You can. Do you know how to play the guitar? Yes, I can. It’s coming. It’s coming. I will play. I will. It’s coming. It’s coming. It’s coming. It’s coming. It’s coming. It’s coming. I’m so nervous right now, I’m gonna show it to you. You’re so nervous, look at me when I’m in front of the camera. It’s easy to punch him in the eye. What do you like to play? You’re a fan of Metaliko. You can’t beat him. Metaliko? I’m a big fan of Metaliko. Nothing else matters. Did you hear what he said? I’m sure you’ve heard it for the first time. It’s for fun. What else do I know? Iron Maiden. What else do you like? I like Iron Maiden. What else? I’ve always listened to some… You’re actually a big fan of the game. Yes, yes. Fear of the Dark. Yes, Fear of the Dark. We’ve been listening to it since we came here. Who are your favorite fighters? We haven’t asked you that. Nick and Nate Diaz are my favorite fighters. They’re my brothers. But they’re full-time players. Yes, they are. But they’re… They’re real. They’re an old guard. And they’ve never been the best. I’ve always liked them. They’re easy to play for the GSP. I play for Jon Jones. You know he’s gonna win. Thank you. Let’s see if we can… Oh, fuck. It’s nothing new. This is some kind of peccine tune. To me, it feels right to sing now. To me… I like that It feels pretty good to me. Were you drinking brandy again? I drank brandy again. It feels good pad ending. To me, it starts… Sorry, his voice bike. Ask me when it should start. I love the Deep Purple, man. That’s what I wanted to do. Come on, Mare, sing. Mare knows the lyrics. THE DEEP PURPLE Can you do it like this? Bravo, bro! Here we go, Mare. You can do it like this on the stage. THE DEEP PURPLE Mare, that was great. It was great. Good job, Mare. I don’t know what else to say. You’re playing for your soul. For myself, through listening. I don’t know this one, I forgot. Oh! I can’t sit still. I’m getting nervous. I was able to do it on my own. I practiced it. You’re playing this on the stage. Yes. I’m getting sick and destroyed. Ah! I don’t know. The DEEP PURPLE The DEEP PURPLE I can’t sit still. Trembling. I can’t, I can’t. Think about it. The guy who hits… THE DEEP PURPLE The DEEP PURPLE THE DEEP PURPLE I know it. I don’t know. We should find something. I don’t know. Something from those places. Chirilican. Not Chirilican. I don’t know. Shaban. This is… Jay is playing. Neki Serdak. I don’t know. I don’t know. We threw you in the car. I don’t care about music. I will take over. I will take over. I will take over. Bro. Let it be there. Listen. I never broke someone’s head with a guitar. But… Excuse me. I never played in front of other people. Especially on camera. I play for my soul. You know how it is. When I am alone. Or when someone is in another room. I play the quietest. Me too. I don’t know what to do. You are resting your head. No. I didn’t know it was always like that. But if you learn a new song it was like wow. I learned something new. I would say. I would take a hit on my head. I believe. I believe. That I will train my brain. In some way. In some other way. I played chess with that. With old people sometimes. Some sort of game. And those games. What else. Did he start to let you win? He started to let me win. Now you are stronger. He started to let me win. Last time I won 3-1. He didn’t leave you anymore? No, no. Now I started to dominate. Now he is going to practice at home. Now he is going to be a robot. There was a time when he was practicing ping pong at home. I wasn’t there. He wasn’t there. I was weak. Thank you for coming to our podcast. Thank you. I’m glad you are watching. You will soon be a champion. By the end of this year, you will have a lot of fun. We can’t wait anymore. Next time you come to us, you will have more news. What was your name? KSW Poez. There was a bigger PFL, so you can’t go there. No, I won’t. Either you bring that KSW, or you go to UFC. Whichever. There is no pressure. No pressure. No pressure. No pressure. Until December 15th. If you don’t bring it, you can’t come here anymore. No. We always have time. We will go from YouTube to UFC. We will go from YouTube to UFC. You can’t come here anymore. Thank you very much. Thank you. Keep pushing. It’s a bit harder, but I have to push it to the end. That’s right. Thank you for hosting me. Thank you for everything. You are all fighters. I always looked at you and saw you as a child. Now that I’m sitting here with you, it’s a dream come true. We will see each other next time you come to us. Cheers, bro. Thank you. Bye.