The Dinosaur Hour | Tuesday 26th December

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And you should Too don’t again hello hello hello who is it we’re here for the show what show uh we’re filming a television show this is a medieval castle you silly man it’s for besing and Sal fighting it’s not for some so-called television program but we made arrangements strange person I am both of

You your your auntie soiled her nickel and your mother was a vacuum cleaner H let us him a spit on your Gunners you quarter wited son of a Cabbage Hunter is there someone else up there that I can speak to go boil your bottom can you throw him off the ramp

Parts please all right right well I thought we were getting Hugh Lori second best oh Stephen um fry Stephen it is lovely to have you here you silly man it’s lovely to be had here if I may say I want to know about Cricket because you’ve just become president of the MCC

And he has just shown me this tie show the tie and he claims it’s an MCC can zoom in to that little symbol there it’s the divine ice that says MCC marban Cricket Club or 1,200 in Roman numerals yes I mean but you have to be a member

To to get that yes you buy it from the member’s shop at Lords so tell me about Cricket because it’s all changing and it’s a beautiful beautiful game it’s the still the only game that is very like the one I used to watch in Western superbow in Clarence Park in

1948 well that’s cuz we’re Guardians of the law the laws of Cricket the MCC other games have rules Cricket has laws but each tournament will have its regulations like where the fielders can be how far from the back so but there are laws of cricket which are the same

In in in on a beach in West Indies or or in a slum in Mumbai with stick ball or in a village in England uh or in Western superare those are the laws of cricket I mean yes it it is the same game but it’s it’s like a lot of British instit tions

It’s uh it sent its footprint abroad footprint abroad and has been reinterpreted and often improved upon or at least inhan I was very proud the other day when Afghanistan beat Sri Lanka I thought it’s an incredible this the reach that this it’s and it’s getting wider and wider it’s it’s the

Second most popular sport in the world by quite a long way obviously football is the first yeah um and a lot of that is to do with the fact that it’s so well it’s the third religion in India they call it the third religion absolutely crazy about it obviously India is about

To overtake China as as the country with the largest population in the world so that kind of skews the statistics a bit but it’s the most popular sport in Nepal ump and I’m a patron of the MCC foundation and our aim is to spread Cricket around the world as much as

Possible are you going to get into South America yes that is that’s our next thing it’s it’s not really there I mean there’s a bit in Guana of course we had Mark ramash and others and and and and and who have you know sort of uh uh ancestors from there and Guana provides

The West Indies with cricketers it’s Caribbean true uh but yeah we want to if you can find a flat bit um but it’s um yeah Rwanda Kenya um recently the foundation went to the Lebanon and uh taught Syrian refugees who are penned up in camps with nothing

To do at all uh but turned to kind of crime and misery and upset and to teach the girls and boys in particular is fantastic because a lot of these countries are countries in which girls have low expectations their lives um as far as education property rights and so

On are concerned and if you can get girls and boys playing Cricket together it’s absolutely wonderful there comes an age when they’ll separate out into a girls boy and and a boy’s team but when they’re young it helps the boys respect and like the girls spreading into the

Middle East isn’t it yes it is and I suppose we can also talk of the Terrors of the Middle East we we’re speaking on a day uh who knows what’s going to happen when this actually is broadcast but we’re speaking on a day when they announced this to me diabolical news

About golf which is a game I love as well and the Saudi Arabian uh influence in it um it’s all money St so because this is a free speech Haven I about the behind this with with with with because there it’s the only the strongest words we’ll do sometimes the hypocrisy I know

A worse one but I will tell you I’d love to hear it I’ll write it I’ve got it out of my system now that’s the main thing but no it does upset me you know uh and um the the history of what Saudi Arabia’s done in the last five or six

Years and now to be I know it’s a cliche word but sportswashing is essentially and the Chances Are by the time you’re watching this thaton Messi will be playing for Saudi Arabia as well as Cristiano Ronaldo and others um it’s amazing what money will do isn’t it I

Mean when you think that London was the number one center for the laundering of Russian Dirty Money I mean I didn’t make me feel proud no they called it bistan time I didn’t yeah we none of us entirely wide-eyed naive about the world we know that the world and it has always

Been the case that um money talks and and that everybody has a price to some extent do you know what Napoleon said no go on he said the surprising thing is not that every man has his price but how low it is yes yes I would have said the

How low it is I think that’s hilarious I I’ve always thought the greatest power of human being can have in negotiations whether it’s as an actor like in a film as minor as that or in a huge boardroom way the greatest power you can have is

The power to walk away yeah just to be able to say oh no this is not for me and go but uh I know some people in business who will say that the first thing you sense when you sit around a table say about the sale of a company or the you

Know the it going public you know the a share offering is you instantly know the greedy ones and they’re the ones you want to have nothing to do with who are in it to make money uh and uh it you know I am in that sense very naive in

The um in the early early 90s late ‘ 80s when I was aware that the internet was going to happen and I became very excited by it and through the ’90s I became very excited by and we have lots of meetings with people who had ideas

And the really good ones wanted to make something extraordinary yeah you know like an artist or a Craftsman like someone who just wanted make make a better pair of shoes make a better table just the pleasure the fun the Fulfillment of it and then you started to notice because the internet caught

Fire that people were in it to make money that the first thing they wanted to do was to build a service or a piece of software that they could immediately sell to you know Bill Gates or to somebody else and uh and then it got

Worse it got it got so yeah there’s a word and this is in a sense what Saudi Arabia is doing with sport it’s the the darkest word of our era I think is the word disruption it’s um s simple it’s just the Latin for break break break down

Break up break into pieces to disrupt like you interrupt you break into someone’s conversation and and uh you know get a rupture it’s a break and so on so in 2007 when Facebook was beginning to take off Mark Zuckerberg famously said that the the the motto of Facebook is move fast

And break things and this was considered a heroic new stance these young people were coming in they were breaking up the way the world was and and they were making huge sums of money out of it they were inventing new ideas and they were sweeping away everything from the past and so you

Disrupt the bread and breakfast space yeah with Airbnb you disrupt the kire and taxi services with Uber you disrupt you disrupt you disrupt and we’re now living in a broken world because things have been disrupted and they’ve not been replaced with anything like and they’ve been disrupted by people who just want

To be very very rich yes and not to do one thing superbly well and the Betrayal to me the the Betrayal the hypocrisy whatever your word is that somehow we believed in the ’90s and early 2000s that these guys in jeans and t-shirts were just kind of you know gentle sweet

People who wanted the world to be better yeah and we now know that in Orwell’s magnificent image the pigs are now wearing trousers you know you know the end of Animal Farm they look through and they see the yes and it’s all come around and and you realize these are

Worse in terms of their Fierce uh greedy um but can you have you ever understood why people want to be so rich we all want to be able to have a better bottle of wine or we all want to have a nice car or maybe a slightly bigger

House but I think the point of being very rich is to be able to tell people that you are very rich essentially I think it is a display it’s very fashionable these days to look into genetics and ancestry and to picture our ancestors in a cave or in a field or you

Know hunting and Gathering and we we know that the some some part of being human is acquisition is territorial acquisition and whether it’s land building a castle like this as a display as well as a defense and money is a defense as well as display it protects

You from everything in the world as a castle why such huge sums of it I don’t know I suppose when you get a huge they competitive with each other that’s the point I was going to say you join a sort of Club in which uh you know people in

The suburbs might say they’ve got a better lawnmower than I have I’m going to have to upgrade my lawnmower I’m going to have to upgrade my strimer uh and and all the sort of suburb things Keeping Up With the Jones as we call it it’s a very we’ve talked about that all

Our lives we know it as a phenomenon but you scale it up that’s you simply scale it up and and we know this is true I mean I can still picture the moment when I was nine and I found an old Macintosh an old raincoat people used to wear them

And it had a 10 Shilling note in it and the joy yeah the absolute Joy yeah now what you can’t do is scale that Joy up if if I then found £100,000 in a coat I would be astonished I would go wow but I wouldn’t be um well

10 Shillings is you know half a pound so I wouldn’t be 200,000 times happier yeah than when I found that1 note but people think it’s more is better don’t they do abs I mean alcoholics think more is better yeah yeah but there are many aspects of humanity where we bound If

We’re honest to inspect ourselves to say I get that I feel like that but also I don’t feel like that I’ve always been very lucky with alcohol for example I do like a drink I like wine but I know I could never be an alcoholic I just don’t

Like it enough I don’t like feeling sick I don’t like having to cope with a responsibility of apologizing the next day if I’ve been drunk I don’t like the fact that I might get a bit argumentative so I just you know could never be an alcoholic but I could be

Lots of other things that I do recognize faults in and similarly with money I mean I like having enough money I’ll be honest to turn left on an airplane I think it’s the most I still get excited by it I still think oh my goodness I’m

Going first class and I love it I mean I just love it and it’s a disgrace and I know I shouldn’t and and I try and do this a key carbon offsetting and all use the key word enough enough exactly a sense of enough so these very rich

People have no no sense of enough yeah yeah can you do you understand it I mean it’s an illness isn’t it it is an illness and I I I I I wrote a sort of autobiography about myself which tried to address my propensity to overdo things myself but not not in money terms

But I noticed that from the I was the same I was what we this awful generational Wars you know you say baby boomer and Millennial I just want to throw up when I this I’m sort of late imperialist what EXA I mean I just it seems so weird but

Anyway I am a baby boomer in the technical sense and so I was born in the same year as Sugar Puffs the cereal right so I I should never forget yeah I was of a generation for whom television advertising was first directed towards me when I was young to eat Sugar Puffs

And Rices and frosties and sugary things and and I went to a school which had a Tuck Shop you know a little boarding school and there were things like sherbet fountains with sherbet in it white powder that you you you you sucked in through a licorice straw and um and

They even extraordinarily had Spanish gallan rolling tobacco which was coconut shreds but it was done exactly like a rolling tobacco packet that you’d see you’d see grown-ups using and you would have a pipe made of licorice uh and you would have cigarettes with red tips on the end which were candy

Cigarettes you remember all these sweets well you’re probably a generation older you didn’t have there was a but they were so you were being prepared for cocaine and tobacco essentially you were given white powder and tobacco and I never could eat enough of that and I

Would break out of school bands go to the Village shop and buy all the fruit salads and black jacks and foamy shrimps and uh little rice paper flying sauces and I stuffed myself I couldn’t eat them enough I I got teeth missing here because of it and then when I was a

Teenager there was still so I I had this empty hole in me this vast empty hole that said feed me I need this sugar I needed and then when it wasn’t sugar it became tobacco and I smoked and then in my 20s it became cocaine it became that

I just and I couldn’t sit still without going you know and and it’s that addictive impulse that many people many people watching will know what I mean I and many people won’t because this is the important thing to remember they say not everybody has this and it’s a kind

Of addictive gene and I guess the money people have it for money there’s this hole in them they have to acquire and they have to own and they don’t know how to fill it no and they think if I had another 500 million I’d be happier

Yes well this is it the one of the things you you know a lot about you know Psychotherapy and things like that and one of the things that always maddened me about self-help books and books on there is is the ones that start off with Goal orientation set yourself goals and

I think it’s the most dangerous and Despicable inimical thing imaginable because I don’t know a human being who when they reach as a goal they’ve set themselves isn’t dissatisfied absolutely always an anticlimax and you have to you know it’s so many of the Nobel Prize winners get very depressed when they win

The Nobel Prize I can imagine exactly CU cuz what what do they do next yeah and apparently the great chess players always get very depressed off the huge energy and so like these guys here I can see there they are they’re getting to the end of their game though I can see

Yes one of them’s got two Queens I’m Andrew Doyle executive producer of the dinosaur hour and Louis schaer with me here you were the matred D in the dinosaur hour no I was the star of the entire show and I think people are going to see that when they uh we

Cut you out a lot you know what if my mother was still living she would like be furious she would but she’s not and I knew that that was okay no but I am in I am in the opening I hope you don’t cut out the opening section no you’re in the

Opening section I’m in the opening section and of course working with John C that must be uh exciting well that was that was amazing really I didn’t appreciate it at the time but then I’m I’m sitting there working with him I’m thinking this is John T yeah this is

John t as in shees he’s and you got to get that right he he hatte in America they call him c yeah and he really has a problem with that but you’re an American and you’re getting it right well my name is schaer people say Schaffer you just

Got to get used to it or change your name to something that everybody pronounces people normally get mine right although I was called Andre Bole a Critic once May me an angry uh because that’s the probably the first time that’s ever happened to you me my name

Has been misspelled I remember one time I noticed my name was spelled correctly at a restaurant and I was like I was maybe it was in my 30s and I was like shocked because it never happens but John C John C I mean the great thing

About the show was to be able to make the show that he wanted to make which was talking to the people that he found interesting uh about the subjects that he found interesting and that isn’t something that normally uh is granted by television channels to Stars they

Normally tell them what they have to do where they have to stand all of that well let’s just let’s just hope that people he finds interesting or people we find interesting or that the audience finds interesting that’s what I mean yeah well I found them interesting no I

Found them interesting I have to find them interesting because I’m working with John le yes and as we’re spending more time with the dude I’m realizing oh my God this is yeah this is John well I mean because python was really big in America it was really big in America and

Um I think it was I don’t know it was really big in America it wasn’t really big in America it was big among college kids and I was at Universe College University I was at University at the time and I remember I remember we watched all the episodes and then we’re

Waiting for the next thing to come out and and it wasn’t like it it was my first association with British television whereas they don’t produce as many episodes as they do in America so you’re sitting there waiting John CLE has unlimited patience he does yeah with

You with me with everybody I I don’t have limit I have very I’m very impatient with you I don’t think you are no I think you’re trying to do what best for the show and I think you just handle it in a in a in a bad way he’s 83 years

Old he knows he knows what to do with people and a lot of the thing that on screen is him like saying I’m an idiot or stupid or whatever it is and uh I I hope it comes across as being funny I mean I did cry afterwards you did

Because there was an authenticity to it yeah which I picked up on but but in in our private dealings he was very cordial it’s an odd place to film it the castle in the middle of Essex really was the middle of no nowhere I mean there was

Nothing anywhere you know we we kept going to that same restaurant because there was only one restaurant in the village um don’t give the people the impression we were eating meals but it was it was in the middle of nowhere and I don’t know why you chose it I mean you

Could have probably built a set for less money we probably could and it would have been closer and you wouldn’t have had to slep people all the way to the middle headington Castle it’s not very useful for you to tell me this now this is the kind of advice I could have had

Before the show started I listen to me I try to keep out of your business Andrew I’m so happy to be getting a job my life was at the lowest point you you saved me thing I learned can I say one thing what actual John pleas less is more I know

That’s they say that about all the great actors yes yes whereas your instinct is to overplay yes because I’m because I’m an amateur and a failure you’re a drama queen yeah but everything’s got to be a drama with you I’m more of a drama princess I haven’t re reached the queen

Stage the dinosaur hour with me John C on GB news is there any way we could say um you’ve got enough now well it’s going to be very interesting because um we’re for the past few hundred years all of us have used to the idea that we fulfill ourselves by by

Work if we’re lucky it’s good work that does fulfill but that’s not going to be true for very long and it isn’t something that was true in the past the work was not a normal thing to do if you said to an 18th century Aristocrat what well an aristocrat certainly that’s true

But you know what I mean they would have thought you were mad yeah and I suppose one has I’m talking about before the Agricultural Revolution which is not very long ago in terms of the length of our existence as a species as a viable species we could go back in time before

The Agricultural Revolution and shag someone from that era and we would have babies you know we are the same species yeah and and then we didn’t work this idea of work the agricultural thing meant we had to stay in one place and and suddenly peasants became you know

Subject to the people on Horseback and and and and and class and hierarchy was established but but it’s coming again because of uh artificial intelligence there will be much less need to to work and and there’s always this problem I’ve been I’ve been thinking about artificial

Intelligence since the ‘ 80s cuz I used to get very excited by this man Marvin Minsky who was the the often called the father of AI and I used to read his essays and books and things and um his forecasts haven’t proved very no no they

Haven’t um uh but his analysis of what intelligence is and what it might be I think was interesting and one of my heroes Richard fman who I’m sure you you you know the great physicist and um uh he he made a terribly good point about when someone asked him whether

Artificial intelligence would come or whether machines would think like us and he said no they won’t think like us they will never think like us um when we make machines we make them to do things we don’t do not things we already do so for

Example um we can run but when we make a bicycle we make something that is totally different that goes a bit faster actually but it can’t I mean a perfect example is a cheetah that’s the fastest land animal it goes around 70 M hour or something isn’t it um well we can’t

Begin and we wouldn’t even think of trying to imitate make a machine like a cheetah it would be ridiculous so instead we invent a wheel and then eventually an engine that can push the wheels and it’s nothing like a cheetah but it can go faster than a cheetah so

It’s our version and similarly with intelligence we won’t try and imitate human intelligence we will find as we are beginning to do we will find ways of assembling and sorting data which isn’t really intelligence but it produces results that are Way Beyond us just as a car produces results Way Beyond a

Cheetah but it’s in a different sort of achievement but it will I I mean I I think governments are beginning to get wise to this um uh the Ubi the the universal basic income is is the thing that uh we’re trying out in this country now in two regions in Finland they’ve

Tried it out in whole country essentially the the money that artificial saves in terms of labor costs white color labor costs as much as blue um that that money goes into giving everybody an income yeah so they don’t have to work and then how did it work in

Finland I think it well Finland is still the happiest country on Earth so it can’t have done too much harm um I mean it it’s it will like anything it will change and develop and um but you know the cynics say I I did a um a lecture on

Uh AI about seven years ago hey on why and I I talked about the possibility of a universal basic income and things like that and a lot of people ask the question so are you saying that we’ve all got to become poets and Potters and Painters and artists and I said well

Although that would be quite pleasing it obviously isn’t particularly viable who’s going to buy The Wretched stuff that we make but we do have to think about what people will do we have this sense that there is idleness and that idleness is a terrible thing but actually if you read Bertrand Russell’s

Famous essay on idol which I’m sure you know maybe maybe it’s a a very a very wonderful thing and will yield enor wonderfully wonderfully liberating for everyone yes um once they get used to the fact that they have to find out what they’re interested in yeah when I first

Went to America I was fascinated by how important work was and I came back after about a year and a half and I remember getting on a tube with the evening standard and there was a piece in it by AJ air one of the great philosophers yes

The Logical POS I still remember that what he was saying was that the first people who went off to America New England were the Puritans and when they sort of sat down and said well what what could we do he said well shall we have a

Dance no we can’t do that no the H and what what else could we do we play cars no that’s not allowed so in the end the only thing they could really do was work and I still see a very strong Puritan streak in America between good and bad I

Mean I don’t like smoking and I’d rather it didn’t but the savagery with which the non-smokers will persecute The Smokers is just stupid yeah so what what you is there anything there in that with what are we talking about with work I mean in fact can’t we just play cricket or read

Would be wonderful the trouble is I personally have been poisoned by the work ethic in that I am addicted to it I have above my desk um a quotation from nol coward which is work is more fun than fun and I’ve been very lucky to

Find that so and and I if I have a day off because you’re doing something is enjoyable really enjoyable I mean there’s two three types of work there’s work you hate yeah and then there’s work you love and then there’s work where you like bits and don’t like other bits and

So you try to do as much of the things you like and as little of the things you don’t like but it’s all like that but if you love your work why would you want to stop exactly if you can presumably the new problem is well what do you what do

You count as work exactly what I count as work other people wouldn’t a lot of people would say how fabulous that I’m going to retire or have fabulous I’m no longer working I can garden I would I’d rather eat my own legs than dig and and

Fork and be a Monty Dawn but he obviously enjoys it and lots of people do and they wouldn’t like doing the things I do you know writing and things as you know writing is Agony people I feel sorry for are the businessmen because they really are motivated by money now when you give

Them all the money that they could have earned if they worked hard they’re going to be in a terrible position you talking about AJ air is very interesting because in philosophy he he and his fellow Vienna school you know the the scientist um types basically felt that

Ethics as a branch of philosophy had died was no longer particularly interesting it was you teach it in universities you know and things you know but then technology bio biotechnology as as well as um uh the the internet and other things have meant now that people can leave University

With a Masters or a doctorate in ethics and they’ll get a six figure opening salary at Big corporations because ethics is at the heart of the problems that we’re talking about how do you decide what is an ethical artificial intelligence how do you decide what is

An ethical way to lay people off work and to keep them the corporations are studying this really seriously trying to I mean there has been a wave of firing in in in Silicon Valley lately and some ethicists have gone but I remember seeing a a Berkeley University you have

To say that obviously the pronunciation is Berkeley uh you know what a graduate is called No Berkeley presumably but there there was a philosophical quarterly from Berkeley magazine and it just said at the top philosophy no longer just a stylish root to Poverty question mark suddenly it was becoming the hottest discipline in

Universi philosophy and it is exciting because there is so much to think about and all of us are free to do that are the um Bill Gates is thinking about he does a thoughtful man I think isn’t he um but the ones who really uh spend all

This money trying to get into space on their own rocket well they they follow a branch of philosophy that is not very academically fash able or or admired which is objectivism which is the philosophy of Ein Rand uh you know the sort of libertarian uh philosophy of the

Fountain Head and Atlas Shrugged which are more popular now than in her own Time Peter teal for example who’s a very powerful investor and all kinds of things he he’s a great admir of ir Rand and that there’s a new philosophy called long-termism which sounds rather admirable we’ve always thought bad thing

About politics is so short term but this is a totally different thing this regards the future of humanity in hundreds or if not thousands of years is the most important thing we can think about and a few a few pandemics and uh uh diseases and climate change are pin

Pricks in in the long history after all the Ice Age wiped us most of us out but but it it gave a small cardrive surviving humans the chance to become our ancestors and and they think very hard about that and there there’s you know there’s a lot of paranoid fear that

That’s why you know musk and Bezos and people are wanting to go to Mars they know the Earth is absolutely because the the image I have is we are children playing on the beach yes making sand castles with our back to the Sea and on the sea various currents are

Combining they are for example bio augmentation brain machine interfacing which is something Elon Musk is doing where you interface with a computer and a computer with you so it reads your thoughts and you can control it with your mind if you like robotics itself Quantum Computing and artificial

Intelligence of different kinds um new materials Nano nanomaterials and so on all of these Technologies which are transformative on their own not to mention genomics and Gene editing um are like separate swells in the ocean that are combining to make a gigantic tsunami and as I say we are playing on the beach

Wondering about little things you know like this particular strike or whether we what names we call ourselves what our identities are all these tiny little issues that we are obsessed what’s the tsunami the tsunami is the combination the Confluence of all these Technologies all changing each other so you mean life

Will be transformed in a way we can’t begin to get up yes all right let me ask you this question yeah a lot of social media is just awful people being unbelievably nasty to people if you post something on social media surely it would be very easy

To have an identification on that post which would tell you who’ posted it which would shame people into posting a lot of the nastiest stuff yes why don’t they do it um well in the case of Twitter Elon Musk is is a Libertarian free speech absolutist he calls himself

And uh I think he would regard any regulation which enforced something like that a denial of anonymity and the right to anity but the denial of anonymity I agree with you yeah you’re not forcing it on people what you’re saying is if you want to post something you have to

Tell people who you are I think it’s a mixture of uh genuine sense that they want it to be a free space where people can comment without being got at for example because the problem is you know you might you might Express a view in some of the hot

Button issues of today you might Express a view on gender and something like that and you will get sh upon on both sides doesn’t matter which side uh but that’s the problem about expressing a view anyway well it is it is um and so anonymity gives a sort of

Confidence to some but confidence to terrible people as we know it’s a disaster and I I me I I put things on Twitter as you do I used to yes you don’t anymore I’m afraid once Mr musk got there I just felt and and and this is why you mustn’t believe anything I

Say about the future because I believed when in in 2007 when I joined Twitter and it was just starting I I believe that it would melt away boundaries and divisions and the old uh problems and that we would all be brothers and sisters but the problem with technology

Is there were always good people who use it for good reasons and then there are rather bad people who will use it for Batteries yes and that’s true of everything that’s ever been invented I I look at the gutenberg’s first printing press and you look at it that is capable

Of printing the poems of John Keats or mine Camp it doesn’t know any different there’s m c k every every invention has a good and a bad beginning everyone’s so excited about it they only see the positive that’s right the technology itself has no I think the the

Technical term would be no moral veency yes you Know I really enjoyed making the show wide variety of different types of people and the team were all great and the extras were all great yeah and you got to talk to all of these people you you you developed quite a warm relationship with the nuns particularly

Uh you got a few telephone numbers yeah um and then I Kissed A none um yeah well I as you know I’m I’m in the film business myself and I’ve been on many many you should explain that to people that you’re not really in the film

Business you you you are an extra I supporting artist supporting artist but I have had relatively large roles in some of these you had a line in Wonder Woman didn’t you I had a line in Wonder Woman the line uh we have to see the president something like that you do

That very well I wased did people notice it whatever it is don’t belittle me Andrew I’m being sincere people don’t know no I’m being sincere you’re interpreting me as belittling you I’m not so I have been I’m not listening to you I’ve been on many film sh fil film

Shoots and considering not even considering this is your first time you seem totally in control as a producer of a producer totally in control the director of course was competent and and so I thought it was extremely it was a professional set it was a professional professionally GB news that’s the thing

And really well done really well done and I thought it was a I thought I thought the production values I thought if I had to do it I would have saved a little bit of money and maybe not had cats maybe not had extras I think the

Cats were quite integral to the whole ethos you know John was very keen on the cats John has lots of cats he does have lots of cats and so he wanted cats there and and you know whenever I say something controversial on Facebook I always post a picture of a cat it does

Actually mify any situation instantly doesn’t it if I’m if I’ve been in lots of Twitter arguments what I do is I just put a cap video out there and it’s like a cleanser and everyone just calms down and we’re happy we’ seen cat you can’t retain anger and rage in the

Face a big furry face right you were on the New York comedy scene yeah then you came to the UK and for some reason you stayed for some reason I stayed I wanted to see my children oh it was because I mean I would have gone home if I didn’t

Have any children because I was they they liked me a initially a little bit and then they turned on me well the children or the audience everybody everybody everybody this is this is uh British people think they’re the funniest people on Earth and you’re not you’re not funny as you can tell he’s

Not funny trying to be funny I’m not trying to be funny you are you’re trying to be funny you can see here’s here’s sorry about this Andrew right is that is that I think with Americans we Americans like to be loved is that right and English people don’t want to be loved

You know what that is true I noticed that with American comedians there’s a lot more sense of like me like me you know like they’re a lot more bubbly whereas a lot of British comedians are almost standoffish yeah foring I was thinking more of the audience is that

The audience in this country if you tell the audience oh my God I love England what a great country your castles you You’re great people you’re so much more spiritual you’re so much more the audience just don’t like it but if you go to America and you say America you

Know you look I’ve performed in America not much just a few times the audiences are very U how would you put it vocal very Vol I mean they cheer at anything and they laugh at anything yeah because they paid money they want to enjoy themselves you people capitalist that’s

What it is it’s it’s you pay I don’t know that’s not the right word it’s not capitalist you pay money you’re going to get your money’s worth Americans are going to get their money’s worth I love that you can psychoanalyze an entire nation I’ve thought about it I’ve been

Here for 23 years already I’ve had too much of you people you know you you need to be a comedian you need to be a performer something inside you you know is screaming out for attention no no I could do lots of things I’ve done other

Things and I’ve done other things well I sold advertising space I was in a estate agent were you yeah I did lots of other things the dinosaur r with me John C on GB news artificial intelligence has always seemed to me the great problem in science is that if you can’t measure

Something you think it can’t be scientific science is about measuring things right and sometimes they invent things like behaviorism which is all about the business of being able yeah right to measure things and not about anything else of any interesting almost everything that goes on in here is very

Very hard to measure yes it is very hard to quantify and since human beings robbed of their emotions by an accident on unable to cope despite the fact they’re completely logical still because they don’t have emotions helping them yeah to make a decision how does that apply to AI don’t

We wouldn’t if it’s going to really take over wouldn’t we have to give it an emotional range to motivate it which we have no chance of giving it well again I would return to that point of finance that we would do something that was like an equivalent what what we have now has

Been brilliantly described by critics as not intelligence or anything remotely like intelligence a stochastic parrot is the phrase that is used of the kind of chat gp4 and these kinds of things that become very popular they are essentially a probabilistic guess at what the next thought should be based on its ability

To access a vast Corpus of data which depends on there being such a thing as the internet that has this data electronically available the speed of light icept and that’s it is the next artificial general intelligence as it’s known would that require sentience a sense of self consciousness would would

The system be aware that it was a system of course at the moment it parrots that it’s aware I cannot answer that question because I am just a large language model it says when you ask it something you know delicate this is when people are worried about what’s called The

Singularity when when it suddenly becomes aware of itself and whether this would give it an actual emotion in the way that our brains have emotions or an an electronic equivalent that’s to say a sort of need of some kind a need to do something a need to um make itself

Something that it isn’t because in a sense that’s the human not even an animal thing I mean you look at these lovely animals and what one of the things we love about animals I think is that they don’t wake up in the morning feeling terrible about yesterday and how

They let themselves down you know a tree frog spends 100% of its time being a free a tree frog they’re living in the present yes they’re Liv and my daughter’s just acquired a completely blind dog I a friend with it yeah and it’s ecstatically happy now and it’s

It’s wonderful because it doesn’t wake up in the morning thinking I wish I had a couple of eyes or I wish I was a cat you know I mean we as humans we wish to be other things all the time we we are just so dissatisfied with they teach us

So much these things they do and I think the value of pets is that they bring us into the present that when we’re stroking a cat or playing with a dog we’re totally in the present which is where happiness life it is it’s is absolutely right the I’m thinking of

Damasio do you remember Damas Antonio damasio’s book about the guy who’ had his who had a perfectly logical brain right but he couldn’t make any decision because his emotional intelligence have been so I’m saying if it’s going to if they’re going to take over the world for

Us they have to develop an emotional intelligence which will tell them how to do that motivate no I think that’s like saying a car has to develop legs if it’s going to be like a cheetah the point is it won’t be ever like a cheetah but it

Will go faster but it’s its style of going forward is not legs and similarly a computer’s style of sentient wouldn’t need to imitate a human one just as a car doesn’t need to imitate a cheater or indeed a human you don’t and and a robot won’t won’t be a a

Walking Android type thing unless we want that for fun but you know that’s not the way it need be sometimes you imitate nature of course I people love to imitate geckos for sticky things all the rest of in nature um obviously it’s had millions of years to practice and

Fail and practice and fail and practice and fail but the basic rule of computers am I right is this oldfashioned sh in out yes yes G gigo garbage in garbage out was the polite way of putting it how can they go beyond what we put in them well they they look

Elsewhere that’s the one of the things the internet has done is that we don’t put anything into that it goes out and looks for it we tell it to look oh I see it’s to look scans the world of data and not to look for anything in particular

No exactly not to look at anything in particular I mean at the moment you have to remember that what you’re looking at now is let’s say chat G gp4 which is the sort of publicly available second version of of of the uh open AI um bot

As they like to call it that is like looking at Carl Ben’s car in 1895 Jolly impressive look at that it can go 10 miles an hour it’s amazing what it will be next year and the year after and in 10 years time look at what the motorc car became look at

How it transformed everything about our lives and our cities and our that’s because the people inventing mot a lot of people were motivated to make them better and also you have to remember an enormous number of people who love loved their horses looked at it and said it’s

Pathetic it’ll never catch on it’s been said I mean I remember when I first had no I get all that but then there’s a human if you if the cars are improving it’s because there’s some human who wants to make better yes so I’m where does

That emotion I want to do this for some reason come from if we can’t make a decision if our emotional faculties are not it’s task to make itself better it’s task it’s task to make itself better the ones we have things like chess there’s no element of the human mind there in

Chess so you can always come up with a computer that will beat a man eventually yes because it memory is better and it can play all these games and find out what works what doesn’t work so you got that yes but when you’re dealing with things where there’s an element of the

Human emotion involved in order to create a decision the point is it’s artificial intelligence we’re not making human intelligence in a machine we are making artificial intelligence I know but I’m asking is it limited is it limited in what it it what can achieve because it can’t decide to do something

Because it wants to yes probably Limited in that it will Pro we hope that it will remain something that takes instruction so yeah that it won’t say I want to paint a ceiling and it then produces something better than the cine Chapel because I have a need to do it

But but but given the exponential way it will improve improve itself write code to improve itself and continue to impr given that it’s very hard to make a stable and safe I have one last question Cricket yes back to Cricket there you are we what what was the point of the

100 we’ve got 20 overs which is 120 balls now somebody says no we’d be better if we only had a 100 Balls do we got to go slowly down until the match has been paired down to about 30 balls for each Innings right yeah and and then all the rest of

The time we can watch rockets going off it’s money of course it is money it’s advertising it’s getting people in the difference what’s the difference between 120 balls and 100 100 it it it seems not much but sometimes these things do make a difference I personally not a huge fan

Of the 100 some people I know who are real cricketers and absolute lovers of the game think it’s a fantastic Innovation I thought it was cricket for people who didn’t like Cricket well it’s it’s to introduce people who don’t like cricket I see a marke it’s a gateway drug it’s

Not a game it’s a marketing exercise right kind of yes I mean I’m afraid that’s the way things go because because grounds might otherwise be empty and so the only way you can fill them is to market the game you can’t you can’t expect them I love test matches and I

Love the county Championship I People of Our Generation do but I think we have to be realistic about getting younger people into it and and they want to spend an evening having fun in kind of in the way Americans go to a baseball game and I know it sounds terrible to

Imitate another another American institution it’s for people with limited attention span if you like that may well be you’re sweet to bless you dear man I’m sure I’ve talked nonsense but it’s been enormous we able to edit you very very heavily yeah no it’s great it

Really is it’s been fa you could choose anyone of those cats you like and take it with you don’t tell me that would I would and now time for a Song they say that life is fleeting like some shoddy central heating first you’re toasty then you’re mostly in the Cold there are some who say it’s ruthless that we end up bold and to toothless but who admits the benefits of getting old mother nature is a pensioner and though we shouldn’t mention her she carries on as though she’s gone berserk we aspire to this endeavor that

Will peace will rain forever but how can it when the planet doesn’t work I can’t wait for the apocalypse the atmospheric esoteric Whistle Stop Eclipse there’s a cost of living crisis Peppa Pig is joining Isis this buggle all to live for so we’re ready to die I

Can’t wait for the apocalypse what kind of blunt and jubilant atomic clock is this there is no second coming just a bog with Lous Plumbing we don’t need a horoscope to certify that the end of the world is n999 n999 night is quite alluring and to me it’s reassuring that the bunfight over

Sunlight is adjourned Oblivion is Jolly there’s no need to bring a Broly for extinctions a distinction to be yearned it’s quite common for an Earthling to expect a fresh rebirthing re-embark as junar or Mount say dong but if you dream of smut emerging on a cloud of native virgins when you’ve

Signed out you will find out you were wrong I can’t wait for the apocalypse the final and dandy cotton candy lollipop Eclipse there are demons swinging axes but at least you would pay taxes so bring on arm cuz we’re ready to fly I can’t wait for the apocalypse a

Final pucker from the with the proper lipse let the universe be blasted it was spiffing while it lasted so let’s wave a metaphysical goodbye For the end of the world Is next time on the dinosaur hour it’s making the point that not only is cancel culture real um but it’s it’s so bad we’re going to be studying it in 100 years it is odd when you think about it that there is an ideology which has become a dominant value that nobody is

Allowed to question we didn’t vote it in right I mean when you think about it it’s like really no one’s allowed to question this but you white right [Laughter] heteronormative from a colonialized nation imperialist exctly you go into thisin with with some severe baggage are you going to be problematic

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