Planning Committee – 14 December 2023

Good morning Good morning, everybody. good more Good Good good good, good morning, everybody. wealth welcome to this meeting of Rother planning well, welcome to this meeting of Rother District Council’s planning committee. we have a very busy list today so I would ask everybody to be and while it fully expressing their views

We have a very busy list today, so I would ask everybody to be and while it fully expressing their views and their opinions, to be as succinct as possible when I also remind everybody that we have public speaking rights here and ward members

To be as succinct as possible, when I also remind everybody that we have public speaking rights here and ward members leaking right. as well CA could I remind members of the public to stick within those rules it this is a meeting being held in public rather than a public meeting so public speaking

Rights are limited to those laid down in our within those rules, this is a meeting being held in public rather than a public meeting, so public speaking rights are limited to those laid down in our constitution. members will be able to ask speakers members will be able to ask speakers questions

But could they please be confined to drawing out things which have not perhaps been understood first time but could they please be confined to drawing out things which have not perhaps been understood first time round? I I would not wish speakers to have a second bite of the

Cherry and to bring out a lot of us new information which hadn’t been introduced before I, I would not wish speakers to have a second bite of the cherry and to bring out a lot of us new information which hadn’t been introduced before,

With with that caveat I do hope that everybody can have a fair free and frank conversation about in front with with that caveat, I do hope that everybody can have a fair, free and frank conversation about the issues we have in front of us today.

The first item on the agenda are the minutes of the previous meeting do I have your authority to sign the first item on the agenda are the minutes of the previous meeting, do I have your authority to sign this? the second item are apologies for absence and substituted

The second item are apologies for absence and substitutes truly. we have apologies from Councillor Barn and co-chair of the we have apologies from Councillor Blackburn and Councillor Mrs. Cobb Chair of the Council. and no and no substitutes. no there’s no substitutes today thank you additional

No, there’s no substitutes today, thank you, are there any additional agenda items? now this now this non check. and are there any withdrawal applications nowadays and are there any withdrawal applications nowadays? agenda item number 5 disclosures of interest and this is to receive any disclosure by members of personal and

Disclosable pecuniary interests in matters on the agenda the nature of any interest and whether the Member regards the personal interest was prejudicial under the terms of the code of conduct Members are reminded of the need to repeat their declaration immediately prior to the commencement of the item in question

Code of conduct members are reminded of the need to repeat their declaration immediately prior to the commencement of the item in question. are there any are there any declarations of interest? Councillor challenging Councillor challenging. we as item number 10 yes, item number 10 centimeters Lane.

I have personnel who that is because I am ward member but I don’t have any peculiarly and others so therefore I am not participate if if if if that is interest well we will I don’t have any peculiarly endorse, so therefore I am not

Participate if if if, if that is, if that is even a personal interest well we will note we will note it. thank you I think thank you, thank you, no now I thought I fall not but thank you for mentioned that no, now I thought I fall not, but thank you for mentioned

That. and we have the planning applications index obviously which brings us on to the first substantial item on the agenda which is the Planning application are 20 22 21 31 p Land off which brings us on to the first substantial item on the

Agenda, which is the Planning application are 2022 21 31 p Land of Turkey Road. Turkey Road Bexhill Turkey Road Bexhill and we have the officer it ought to present the to and we have the officer, it ought to present the application to us. owning chairman running owning chairman running members.

It is an approximately 4 hectare parcel of an allocated Matt could you Matt could you movements next nightclub? land located to the north Turkey, Road, just outside of the development boundary for Bexhill. the site mainly comprises open grassland with some trees and scrub and a collection of low key stable buildings

There are trees and vegetation on some of the site boundaries the current access to land is via a long track from Turkey Road which also says a terrorist free adjacent dwellings numbers to 70 to 2 7 for Turkey Road changed the next from Turkey, Road, which also says a terrorist free

Adjacent dwellings numbers 2 70 to 2 7 for Turkey Road could you change the next month? match just showing you the Google Earth image of the site itself it site generally slopes towards match just showing you the Google Earth image of the site itself, it the site generally slopes down from north to

South towards Turkey Road. the exception to this is the northern part of the site which slopes down towards the adjacent Bexhill symmetry to the north immediately to know if no faces so it is a cemetery there is also the terrace of 3 dwellings access

From Turkey Road which are in the north-east corner of the site you can just see their roofs on the image accessed from Turkey, Road which are in the north-east corner of the site. You can just see their routes on Google Earth image

So the south-east of the site on the other side of the access track is to the south-east of the site, on the other side of the access track is the that’s our allocation for some 30 dwellings which is the Essex allocation and that’s that’s the sort of right-hand

Side as you can get the Google emerged as to the right-hand side of the houses on Turkey Road and is a sort of Square green area of land there that’s that’s right-hand side of the houses on Turkey Road and is a sort of square green area of land that’s that’s allocated for

The 30 dwellings. to the south of the site is bounded by the dwellings which fronts on to Turkey Road and that’s numbers 2 7 6 to free to the south of the site is bounded by the dwellings which fronts on to Turkey Road and its numbers to 7 6 to free 0 6.

One part of the site itself also fronts onto the road and that’s where the vehicular access would and part of the site itself, also fronts onto the road, and that’s where the vehicular access would be the Ashdown brickwork and Quarry which is a safeguarded

Minimal the site lies immediately to the west and you can see the big factory building there and we immediately to the west hand side of the site and one of the quarries sort of in a it had enough of that the big factory building there and we immediately to the

West hand side of the site and one of the quarries sort of you know, it’s had enough of that. and can you explain and could he next slide, please? this is a full application for 89 dwellings with 30 percent affordable housing served by Newark vehicular access from

Turkey roads and that would be located between numbers free number 306 Turkey Road and the brick works to the west the scheme includes the provision of hard and soft landscaping areas of public open space drainage features associated west, the scheme includes the provision of hard and soft

Landscaping areas of public open space drainage features and other associated are necessary works. these include the provision of a 5 metre high acoustic barrier along parts of the western boundary of the site adjacent to the brick works and the provision of enough on-site bus stop and the creation of two crossing points on

Adjacent to the brick works and the provision of an on-site bus stop and the creation of two pedestrian crossing points on Turkey Road. one of these would be adjacent to the shared driveway of numbers 304 and 306 Turkey Road and the other one would be

Further to the east adjacent to number 276 Turkey Road where the access track leads up to numbers to 72 74 numbers 304 and 306 Turkey, Road, and the other one would be further to the east adjacent to number 276, Turkey, Road, where the access track leads up to numbers to 72 74.

In terms of housing provision the scheme includes a mix of one two three and four bedroom dwellings provided in a range of unit types including detached semi detached and terraced houses some detached townhouses coach houses and apartments within two separate apartment blocks could you terraced houses, some detached townhouses, coach houses and

Apartments within two separate apartment blocks, could you next likely? the building heights range from single storey France Hilary garages to two and a half apartments the building heights range from single storey France, Hilary garages, to two and a half storeys for the townhouses and apartment blocks.

So on the plan a two storey two-storey so on the plan, a two storey, two storey properties, all in red. and the two and a half storey properties are in yellow and they have mainly around the sort of central central feature which is an open aerial open space beds can be in the

Middle of the soil and yet shaped feature, which is an open aerial open space beds can be in the middle of the soil and yet, but there is sort of a horseshoe shape around that area. there’s also for custom self-build plots and they are shown in purple in the south-east corner

There’s also for Custom Self, build plots, and they are shown in purple in the south-east corner of the site there. could you coach next slightly could you coach next slide, please? proposed external materials comprise plain tiles the roofs and sorry a policy compliant 27 affordable housing units

Would be provided and easily be spread roofs and sorry, a policy compliant 27 affordable housing units would be provided and easily be spread across the site. pose external materials comprise plain tiles to the roads and on this slide they’re and on the slide they’re highlighted in yellow

In a mixture of brick weatherboarding and tile hanging to the Wolves this is illustrated in a proposed Streetscene drawings and is free of these, so if you could just flip phone and policemen in terms of whether the proposed residential development is acceptable it’s important to note that although it although

The site is technically within the countryside the council cannot currently demonstrate a five-year supply of housing and therefore its policies relating to this housing supply must be considered out of date the presumption in favour of safe sustainable development contained within the National Planning Policy Framework therefore applies this

Application this means that planning permission should be granted unless any adverse impacts of doing so would significantly and demonstrably outweigh the benefits when tional Planning Policy Framework taken as a whole the Committee report provides a detailed and full appraisal of policies in the National Planning Policy Framework taken as

A whole, the Committee report provides a detailed and full appraisal of the scheme a number of issues are identified and dealt with in detail including but not limited to the principle of residential a number of issues are identified and dealt with in detail, including, but not limited to, the principle of residential development.

Suitability of the site location with reference to the accessibility of services and facilities suitability of a site location with reference to the accessibility of services and facilities. compatibility with the adjacent Ashdown Brickworks and Quarry landscape impacts impacts on the amenity of neighbouring properties highway issues flood risk and

Drainage impact on biodiversity et cetera landscape, impacts, impacts on the amenity of neighbouring properties, highway issues, flood risk and drainage impact on biodiversity, et cetera. the proposal would result in some harm to landscape Cox the countryside and a landscape setting of the cemetery there

Would also be some harm to live in conditions of local residents by reason of disturbance from noise and lighting from the housing development in addition to this the proposal fails to provide the policy compliant number of Custom Self build units 14 of the proposed dwellings would

Not be provided with their own outdoor amenity space and 16 would not meet the Council’s minimum access accessibility standard which is part them for to the Building not be provided with their own outdoor amenity space and 16 would not meet the Council’s minimum access accessibility

Standard which is part them for to the Building Regulations. however in relation to all other matters the proposal is considered to be acceptable moreover the provision of 89 dwellings including a policy compliant 27 affordable units would significant significantly boost the supply of housing which should be afforded substantial

Dwellings, including a policy compliant 27 affordable units, would significant significantly boost the supply of housing, which should be afforded substantial weight. there are also short term benefits for the construction industry and further economic benefits from spend the future occupants furthermore approximately 1 point 4 million pounds would be generated through the Community

Infrastructure Levy a new homes bonus could be approximately 737 thousand pounds over four years million pounds would be generated through the Community infrastructure Levy, a new homes bonus could be approximately 737,000 pounds over four years. members’ attention is also drawn to the determination by the Planning Inspector regarding the outline proposal for

Up to 210 dwellings in a nearby freeze way he found that whilst site was unallocated and fell outside the development boundary the lack of a five-year supply of housing was a significant consideration in granting outline planning permission could you development boundary, the lack of a five-year supply of

Housing was a significant consideration in granting outline planning permission. Could you go to the recommendations? overall the adverse impacts of the scheme but not significantly and demonstrably outweigh the benefits when assessed against the policies in the National Planning Policy Framework taken as a whole accordingly it is

Recommended that planning permission is granted for the proposal subject to conditions and the completion of a Section 1 0 6 legal agreement to security affordable housing provision Custom Self build provision off-site highway works and financial contributions required by the housing provision Custom Self build provision, off-site

Highway works and financial contributions required by the Highway Authority. members have been provided with an update sheet which relates to request from the applicant at a phasing condition to any planning permission and a request that condition 21 which secures the provision of a local area of

Play is amended to include a timetable for implementation proposed conditions are acceptable when if Members are minded to approve the scheme the list of conditions should implementation, the proposed conditions are acceptable and if Members are minded to approve the scheme, the list of conditions should be updated accordingly. thank you.

Well thank you very much we well, thank you very much, we now have. public speaking rights and we take the objectors first and I believe we have marked Sutherland from public speaking rights and we take the objectors first, and I believe we have marked Sutherland from livestock. it right and companies

And when when you start speaking will start a stopwatch and it right we can’t count if you come forward Mr. Sutherland and you will have five minutes and no more. may have less if you wish may have less, if you wish. Good morning and thank you for your thank you for your time

Today is extremely important that if stock have the opportunity to raise our concerns and highlight births not only Bellway but also the Committee report in front of you right now fails to appreciate the real world impacts this development will have on our Ashdown factory which is a

Regionally significant location for Ibstock then important local employer during initial consultations by we approached him stock for our cooperation with their studies and we implored them at that early stage to fully consider our site in their scheme allowing access to our factory to support the information they collected to help build

Suitable mitigation strategies to improve between factory to support the information they collected to help build suitable mitigation strategies to improve the compatibility between the development all our comments to by way were based on our experience of a recent brick factories I’ll ask the Head Office site and

Based on our consultations The Factory was moved nearly 60 metres from the nearest residential a recent brick factories, I’ll ask the head office site and, based on our consultations, The Factory was moved nearly 60 metres from the nearest residential garden. within that zone there’s a band of retained woodland a

Public footpath and a 5 metre high screening land form and all of this is to improve the acoustic and visual screening from local residents is unfortunate to see that the sum total of Bowie’s consultation was the inclusion of a substandard 5 metre fence and properties within 15 metres of

Total of Bowie’s consultation was the inclusion of a sub-standard 5 metre fence and properties within 15 metres of our factory stock yard. by way of disregarded most of our comments regarding site impacts not share our concerns and a little more detail the application site topography rises away from factory with an

Increase of nearly 10 metres in elevation even the inclusion of a 5 metre fence majority of the development will have unencumbered views of our factory roof stock yard inclusion of a 5 metre fence, majority of the development will have unencumbered views of our factory roof, stock yard, chimneys and steam.

Our sites operational 24 7 and as such we floodlighting in our sites operational 24 7 and as such we utilise floodlighting in external areas. this slight will be visible and will admit from our side constantly and well into the evenings and this will no doubt become a nuisance to future occupiers of those

This site will be visible and will admit from our side constantly and well into the evenings, and this will no doubt become a nuisance to future occupiers of those houses. given us I operates at all hours you can expect to hear ongoing maintenance movement of lorries and forklift trucks

As this is a necessary part of our activities and having 89 properties nearly 350 person’s rights on our boundary will cause conflict with the occupiers of those houses as they would want to enjoy their gardens or in the evenings Bowie views noise models to indicate there will not be a problem

But I can play a computer model doesn’t account for the human elements of disturbance nor any future not be a problem but I can play a computer model doesn’t account for the human element of disturbance nor any future utilisation of our site. concerns echoed by environmental health office in their

Letter on the 29th where they highlighted a major difference in the noise assessments and the letter on the 29th, but they highlighted a major difference in the noise assessments conducted by Bellway and the conclusions drawn from it, as a part of the bookmaking process there was smells and

Odours that are associated with it Dustin particles as a part of the bookmaking process, there was smells and odours that are associated with it and the potential for Dustin particles to be emitted. at present there is an open feel to our East which acts as

A buffer between us and local residents this will no longer be the case if the at present, there is an open feel to our east, which acts as a buffer between us and local residents, this will no longer be the case if the application is approved.

People pride themselves on their homes that cause and their gardens and the potential for Dustin odorous will cause a point of contention between occupiers in the brick works their gardens, and the potential for Dustin odours will cause a point of contention between occupiers in the Brick Works.

Ibstock have discussed all of these points with local residents before you to take and speaking with them as properties naturally change hands Ibstock have discussed all of these points with local residents before you to take and speaking with them as properties, naturally change hands over the years.

It stocks that is an accepted part of the local community and they accept us but the nearest existing houses over 55 metres from IBA from our stock yard once them at it stocks that is an accepted part of the local community and they accept us, but the nearest existing houses over 55

Metres from my bow from our stock yard, we want them at 15. Barbara would tell you that these factors will be accounted for but I’m here to tell you they haven’t and the National Planning Policy Framework it supports if stocks position the proposed development falls within a Minerals

Consultation Area and these have strict rules regarding development in these zones related sterilisation of mineral sites impacts on existing infrastructure and most importantly the compatibility of any proposed development with the existing safeguards sites, impacts on existing infrastructure and most importantly the compatibility of any proposed development with the existing safeguarded mineral site.

The agent of change principal dictates the onus is on the developer to prove the development will not impact our site nevertheless inevitable the application if approved will negatively impact our current or future operations and 0 if not proven this and if create conflict with the future occupiers whilst Bellway

Get to maximise the developments and walk away equally the decision of the case officer dismissed the MTA’s recommended condition to safeguard our mineral site is a cause for concern and we urge you to consider that point ultimately if soccer brickmakers and we want companies like

Bellway to build houses and build them with bricks but these needs to be built inappropriate locations without impacting mineral the industry and this is not one of them of them. The application should be refused entirely as it stands thank you for your time thank thank you very much exactly five minutes

Thank you for your time, thank thank you very much, almost exactly five minutes. well we now move on to questions does any Councillor have a material question of the Speaker please Councillor well, we now move on to questions, does any councillor have a material question of the Speaker, please, Councillor Gordon?

Thank you Chair thank you Chair. as it also know as it also know. I Malcolm yeah how many it employ yeah, how many it stopped company people do you employ in Bexhill? there’s about 85 permanent staff and there are several more as contractors and people that come

There’s about 85 permanent staff and there are several more as contractors and people could come and visit the site as well. and do you feel as though the company might have some future operations in jeopardy because of the possibly even and do you feel as though the company might have some

Future operations in jeopardy because of the complaints possibly being raised? it is certainly a consensus that our ongoing operations could potentially be impacted by complaints with additional residents on our boundary but also could jeopardise any potential future utilisation of the site as well and just to confirm you have a 24 hour shift

Residents on our boundary, but also could jeopardise any potential future utilisation of the site as well, and just to confirm you have a 24 hour shift system levy. yes the factory is operational 24 7 with maintenance and other aspects of the bread-making yes, the factory is operational 24 7 with maintenance and

Other aspects of the bread-making process as well. thank you thanks thank you thanks. Councillor Murray bonds Councillor Murray bonds. thank you hello actually Councillor Gordon has asked questions I was getting short but I was fascinated by the time you have sterilization of thank you, hello, actually Councillor Gordon, has asked

Questions, I was getting into debt, but I was fascinated by this idea of sterilization of minerals, what does that mean? essentially it’s the the inability to work the minerals on our sites effectively or if there are other minerals within the site that could potentially be used in the future that

Would be jeopardised by having this development the boundary the site that could potentially be used in the future, that would be jeopardised by having this development directly on the boundary. can you just explain why why kidnapper can you just explain why Way on the boundary should kidnapping?

Well one of their main things that we tried to do is minimise our impact on any of the local residents and as a part of the querying process there are certain buffer zones and certain distances that we would have to stay away from

Any houses not just for the querying process but for things such as dust and noise and odours and bringing properties significantly closer to the site potential there is significantly things such as dust and noise and odours and bringing properties significantly closer to the site will mean that the potential there is significantly decreased.

Councillor Councillor Bale’s yes thank you are a minimum mentioned yes, thank you are a minimum mentioned. 0 0 1 stage that at the Planning Officer had not taken sufficient guidance from the National Planning Policy and I just wondered if at 1.00 stage that, at the planning officer, had not taken

Sufficient guidance from the National Planning Policy, and I just wondered if we could clarify that point what whilst Mark is still here to talk to I I think he can explain what consultation there has been but I I think officers later on when we will advise about the National Planning Policy

Talk to I, I think he can explain what consultation there has been, but I, I think, officers later on what will will advise about the National Planning Policy Framework. the the the the witnesses making. have an allegation that we haven’t taken sufficient have an allegation that we haven’t taken sufficient, notice of that

Notice of that. I think that’s the question there is the question for officers and I feel his questions I think that’s the question, there is a question for officers and I feel his questions for the speakers at this and Councillor Gruen it’s yeah just a bit more technical stage.

Yeah yeah that will be a question for the about the sterilisation so you you’ve got a mind their or Quarry and your digging up certain materials or go into bricks how do they get sterilised and we’ve got a bit of a it’s a bit of a technical question, but is there a layman’s

Answer to that? yeah so obviously we have the existing quarry on site at the moment which is covered by the planning permission and we will continue to operate that quarry as as we are at the minute the mention about sterilisation of the moment, which is covered by the planning permission,

And we will continue to operate that quarry as as we are at the minute, the mention about sterilisation of minerals is. more so to do with their any future potential on the site because with the the the entire of our Ashdown site is underlain by the exact same minerals that we acquiring

Currently working and if there are any future opportunities within the site then that would mean that having the properties directly on our boundary on that eastern side they would have to be increased stand-off from any future workings which means that the amount of material in the

Ground is reduced the we’ll be able to extract and therefore make less bricks so it’s not a contamination of any from the houses of any of the minerals not it’s just have an ace it’s just preventing the land to be worked basketball right OK thanks for

Houses of any of the minerals, not it’s just have an ace, just preventing the land to be worked. Basketball right, OK, thanks for clarify, thank you you know. the life can I just ask one one one question myself with the quarry

All I can I just ask one one one question himself wow with the quarrying operations it does not give rise to any substantial a very it does not give rise to any substantial noise issues is at a very noisy operation I mean there are all types of noises from within the within

The quarry itself where we have excavators and general machinery moving around but there’s also noises that are omitted from the factory where clamps had changed over forklift trucks in general machinery moving around, but there’s also noises that are emitted from the factory where clamps had changed

Over and forklift trucks driving around, so it’s. there is almost a constant background industrial noise that will be emitted from the site and depending upon direction of working within the quarry those noises can be heard from different directions at different levels will be emitted from the site and, depending upon direction

Of working within the quarry, those noises can be heard from different directions at different levels. Councillor Murray bonds. yes I’m I’m interested in Chairman in the concerned the did not actually yes, I’m I’m interested in Chairman in the concerned Bellway did not actually enter into.

But a satisfactory discussion with a brick company and I just wonder whether that had filtered through to our officers well again I think that’s something we can ask officers later or there will be a Speaker from Bellway and you could also speaker from Bellway yeah thank you thank

You if there if there are no other questions I think we move on thank you very much helpful thank you if there is there are no other questions I think we move on, thank you very much I think that’s been very helpful. Thank you.

And we now have Michael ploughman who is a a and we now have Michael Ploumen, who is or a neighbour. Mr. Mr. Palmer and you’ve you’ve been of the microphone I missed that Mr. Palmer knew you’ve been instructed on the use of the microphone line 5 Trust yes yes, absolutely right.

They can take your time in order they can take your time and starting scheduled papers in order. my reading of this planning application is that it seeks to justify for approval used by using questionable assumptions and in doing so questioned the integrity of the local Planning process

Justify for approval used by using questionable assumptions and, in doing so, questions the integrity of the local planning process. the TFA identified a total dwellings of requirement of 5 thousand 700 and a potential of not 5 thousand 920 given it a contingency of 220 that he’s got to play with basically

Bexhill itself 3 thousand 100 dwellings x 6 is included x 7 is included and Fryatt’s of 220 that he’s got to play with basically Bexhill itself 3,100 dwellings x 6 is included x 7 is included and Fryatt’s why is included? the land of Turkey Road is not included and are therefore

Not been subject to due process for its inclusion 209 to 2 great to justify approval for this application as it is thousand 19 is spectator’s report considered the D Hussey included but surely schemes need to be in the D Hussey and justified and in accordance with the

Are considered on their individual merits anyway the planning application says the DSG is out of date and seeks to add a non-decency sites surely not following due process compounds the out of by issue. phrases such as immediately adjoins or adjacent to the development boundary and technically within the countryside

I used to infer that sought such sites are to be included in the DSi so as such sites are considered suitable development countryside, I used to infer that sought such sites are to be included in the DSi, so as such sites are considered suitable for development, if, though,

It begs the question of why have a D Hussey and any side adjacent to a boundary is up for it begs the question of why have a DFC and any side adjacent to a boundary is up for grabs approval is also being justified on an assessment that it

Is urban land it is not later than an alternative justification considerably as countryside I mean in the countryside needs meeting the countryside needs however the approval of countryside development relates to rural communities with this is not six previous applications have been refused beamed is unsuitable for housing development

But with a buffer between the brickwork and cemetery what assessment criteria has changed now to recommend approval development but with a buffer between the brick works in cemetery. What assessment criteria has changed now to recommend approval? slash suitability the site is on the extreme north-west

Board of Bexhill and will increase not decrease the need for travel the highways summary states in conclusion that location of the site is far from ideal from an accessibility perspective been outside walkable neighbourhood the limited public transport will increase the reliance on the car only if I East Sussex County

Council are able to guarantee long-term funding of a much improved bus service with a criteria for access for supporting about services be adequately addressed Turkey Road traffic volumes have increased significant significantly at big peak hours the same time that children living on the site will go to school and the need to cross

The road space rotten well above for 30 miles an hour crossing the road which everyone would need to have to do is particularly dangerous flooding there are significant surface water drainage and flooding issues both on and off-site flooding occurs every winter on the site southern

Border and again there’s upon this year water flows down through Gardens and along the boundary fence surprisingly Bellway to report during the site is a very low flows down through gardens and along the boundary fence. Surprisingly Bellway to report during the site is a very low risk flooding

The water table being significantly deeper than 5 metres below ground level Drainage requirements have been drawn up on this using this information which is because of regular concern it wasn’t until the flooding issues raised and photographic evidence provided by ourselves but the flooding was accepted and further drainage conditions are

Being currently discussed an explanation of the questions on the validity of the original data collection and explanation of low flooding risk recommendation of the thought needs to be requested details of any site level in being undertaken has been requested but not received this is a potential cost of off-site flooding many drainage

Issues require resolution the cumulative impact of the development of surface water drainage is a major concern downstream the bottom of poetry Lane is a covert bottleneck which has been unable to cope with peak flows and it’s a peak flows the issue this has caused serious flooding to

Neighbouring pathways and Gardens Environmental Services on say it’s not part of their remit to comment however on-site workers attending the flooding explained causation factors which is reduced availability of land could buildings being put on it and its access and its ability to absorb and slowly released the surface water developments compound the

Problem given them reasons of my colleagues and myself I would request that the application is rejected and the next step of due process is followed thank you for objections of that the application is rejected and the next step of due process is followed. Thank you for hearing two objections of the application.

Thank you very much again just just within time again will run thank you very much again, wow just wow, just within time, again will will run. I I think perhaps I should’ve explained earlier on that we die we did have a site visit I, I think perhaps I should’ve explained earlier on, that

We die, we did have a site visit on Tuesday. and that I can confirm that there but it is wet it that Members have seen the site physically, now, are there certainly was very very soggy questions? able to are there any questions of the are there any questions of the Speaker?

Councillor Gruen sorry is quite you had to speak quickly obviously with this allocated time but I I think you were Councillor Gruen, sorry is quite you had to speak quickly, obviously with this allocated time, but I I think you were exploring. whether the allocation of houses or the sufficient supply

Of houses you call that into question can you just run over those numbers for us again please certainly must not concerns with the DFES we go through the process of PSA you’ve identify the well above concern is with the DfE’s commitment we go through the

Process of PSA, you’ve identify the requirements, so you just don’t just well by showing. with with the oppressive red with with a prisoner at Bondi from what we’re doing is is is it possible to turn the Speaker’s microphone microfinance what we’re doing is is, is it possible to turn the speaker’s microphone, microfinance?

Speak wildlife. step, it up separated. I I was going to say that the that of the housing numbers as well I think perhaps are better dealt we’ve bought by officers who understand the policy number it’s sort of process and so on, I think perhaps are better dealt we’ve bought by

Officers who understand the policy number, sorry, so it’s a process. yes thank yes, thank you. the the DSG which is the process that you go to I presume to I debt being told how many properties dwellings you need that process had gone through went through and then that is

Circulated coming out for consultation to actually say whether people have any objections to its that is circulated, and you come out for consultation to actually say whether people have any objections to its stuff like things like that. what I’m sorry to land at Turkey vote has not been subject

To that process so the the total drug 20 requirements was 5 thousand 700 which the DSi goes to actually what I’m sorry to land at Turkey vote has not been subject to that process, so the the total drug 20 requirements was 5,700 which the DSi goes to actually provide

Actually it provided 220 dwellings actually it provided 220 dwellings greater than that. so my my question he sees it as you’re actually you have a planning process you monitor developments as I go through how has the programme so my my question, he sees it as you’re actually you have a

Planning process, you monitor developments as I go through, how has the programme’s slipped? and as if it has slipped you’ve still got 220 dwellings in contingency that you could have brought forward to do it why is this property this site being brought in to the

Calculation when the process has already been gone and if it was identified earlier that there was a shortfall and you’re not meeting the five-year target you’ve still got a yearly review I would suggest of sites as part of the review of the TS a that you can actually go through and go

Through due process to bring sites on stream for consideration before you actually turn round and say sorry we’re not meeting our target less let’s bring sites in willy nilly the concern is on this particular site you have Turkey Road Turkey Farm which is just north and adjacent to

The top boundary you’ve then got Chestnut Farm which is on the north-west on Farc assessment site the Karen place which is adjacent to it and also you’ve just had a farm sold for 850 thousand pounds which is just along the way just next door if you start using these assumptions that is

Technically adjacent to adjoining well it’s near enough what’s the point of having a DFG because you will turn around and saying that any site that is adjacent to a D F A can be poured in than considered for having a DNA, because you will turn around and saying that

Any site that is adjacent to a D F A can be poured in then considered for approval that that’s I thought I understand I understand the point well I I think of officers will need to cover this and explained at paragraph 11 I think it is of the National Planning Policy

Framework document and in due in due course so yes or or are there any other questions of this speaker please no well thank you thank you very much through them at the are there any other questions of this speaker please know well? Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you

Rebecca through the amount of homework and we have Bridget Alan who is another neighbour is British Alan yes if you come and we have Bridget Alan who is another neighbour is Bridgetown and yes, if you come forward. and I think we all understand the microphone

And I think we all understand the microphone now. and I live at 3 0 6 Turkey Road the closest House to the thank thank you. brink works and I belong to the Turkey Road save afield action group we are very much opposed to the Bellway application for many reasons previous planning applications

For this site have always been refused excuse me due to the unsuitability of the road and it being an important buffer to the cemetery and Brick Works nothing has changed in fact if anything the volume of traffic has significantly increased since the Inbar has been completed with drivers

Using Turkey Road as a shorter route accessing the 0 2 5 9 towards Eastbourne the proposed site entrance from Turkey Road is at an extremely dangerous points in the road it is a narrow country type Road with poor visibility due to the

Canopy of the magnificent oak trees it also has a 60 mile an hour limit speed limit there were two bad accidents at speed limit. There were two bad accidents at that exact point last winter, resulting in the road having to be closed there are no pavements at the proposed site entrance or any

Place to put one pedestrians would literally be taking their lives in their hands trying to leave the site on foot and I believe this would force new residents to rely on their lives in their hands, trying to leave the site on foot, and I believe this would force new residents to rely

On using cars. the proposed road runs alongside the entire length of my property and as currently we are open plan to the site we would be on full view to everyone visiting the site I believe this key contributes our rights to privacy under the Human Rights Act I would like confirmation on how

Bellway intend to ensure our privacy and security the Human Rights Act I would like confirmation on how Bellway intend to ensure our privacy and security is protected. as the closest House to the brickwork I firmly believe that plots 1 to 13 should be removed from the plan the brickwork

Operates 24 7 and we do experience noise and dust I certainly wouldn’t want to live any closer and plots 1 to 13 are significantly closer I would add however that we have a very good relationship with the brick works though very approachable and the few issues we have had since

Living here have always been quickly and efficiently brick works though very approachable, and the few issues we have had since living here have always been quickly and efficiently dealt with. there are no specific details about the required 5 metre high acoustic barrier I have real concerns about the

Construction and maintenance of this huge structure and I believe as this is a full application the design details should be submitted at this stage the site is on a significant upward slope and the upstairs windows of plots 1 to 13 and the two and a half storey high buildings in the

Middle of the site would certainly not from the 1 to 13 and the two and a half storey high buildings in the middle of the site would certainly not feel any benefits from the acoustic barrier. I note that one of the consultees commented that the site

Benefits from dense tree coverage shield the site from the brick works as the closest neighbour to the brink works I would like it know that in winter the trees lose their leaves and the Brick Works is in full view the coverage would like it know that in winter the trees lose their

Leaves and the brick works is in full view and not given the coverage suggested. the site is very prone to flooding Bellway plan to put a pumping station directly in line with my dining room window I understand there is an underground cover in that area and

I have concerns that the pumping station may interfere with this and add to the flooding issues I regarding noise and vibrations interfere with this and add to the flooding issues I also have concerns regarding noise and vibrations generated from it. the summit is on a significant upward slope and I believe

The proposed new properties would all be overlooking the existing properties on Turkey Road of course we don’t want 89 houses on our doorstep because with Fryatt’s way Beck 6 26 houses in Ellerslie Lane and the six flats in the cemetery there would be an additional 800 900 people in

This area putting pressure on the ailing infrastructure who is speaking up for these poor people who was struggled to get the money for a mortgage and by what they think is their dream home only to have light pollution noise and so much dust that they will think twice about opening a window

Sitting in their garden or putting washing out speaking up for quiff Michael Gove MP announced on Monday the 24th July that we must build more in the places that makes sense in our inner cities so that we protect our countryside. the Link Road was built to service new homes why don’t

Bellway build their we accept that rather hasn’t reached its housing targets but building on land that is an inappropriate is not the answer thank you for listening and allowing us to put our its housing targets, but building on land that is an inappropriate is not the answer, thank you for listening

And allowing us to put our points across. well thank you understand again just within the five minutes 33 woulda Councillors other questions well, thank you understand again, just within the 5 minutes 33 woulda councillors other questions. noted that no questions no thank you very much

Noted that no questions, no, thank you very much indeed, thank you. we that we now have we know how those speaking for the application and the first one should be marked Busey agent we that we now have, we know how those speaking for the

Application and the first one should be Mark Bewsey the agent. whenever you whenever you already OK thank you for the opportunity to address you today my name is Mark Busey and I am appointed as planning agent by Bellway homes for this planning application I am joined by my colleagues J

Morality of ardent consulting engineers who can answer any questions on technical matters and Michael Birch from Bellway together that questions on technical matters and Michael Birch from Bellway together we will be pleased to answer any questions that you may have. the application that you have in front of you is the result

Of 2 years of work with your officers and other consultees and has been shaped by discussions during a pre-application process during the course of the application itself this included input from your foreigner Design Officer Diane Russell prior to her leaving her role with the Council and

That resulted in a significant redesign and the submission of of the current scheme in May at a lower density of 23 dwellings per hectare and including the significant area of redesign and the submission of of the current scheme in May at a lower density of 23 dwellings per hectare and

Including the provision of a significant area of open space. and buffer providing separation to the cemetery to the northern edge of the site and buffer, providing separation to the cemetery to the northern edge of the site. the application was also prepared following extensive pre-application discussions with East Sussex County Council

In their role as the minerals and waste planning authority and the technical pro work that has been done to respond to that has resulted in no objections from them or your Environmental Health Officer who were both satisfied that the agent of change principle it is satisfied in the

That has resulted in no objections from them or your Environmental Health Officer who were both satisfied that the agent of change principle it is satisfied in this case. My colleague J will talk you through the technical details that underpin that in more detail My colleague Jay will talk you through the technical

Details that underpin that in more detail. the detail behind this application has also been informed by considerable technical analysis including consideration of the highway and drainage matters in the detail behind this application has also been informed by considerable technical analysis, including consideration of the highway and drainage matters in particular.

As well as the minerals as well as the minerals impact assessment, with regard to the scheme itself we are proposing 89 dwellings a reduction of originally with regard to the scheme itself, we are proposing 89 dwellings, a reduction of 9 compared to the scheme, which was originally submitted.

Following feedback from your officers we consider the site fall within a sustainable location and your officers and Highways officers from East Sussex County Council except fall within a sustainable location and your officers and highways officers from East Sussex County Council except this. the scheme is landscape lead we initially undertook to

Properly established the opportunity opportunities and constraints set by the site and its surroundings this established strong vegetation exist exists around most of the site boundaries and also with a central mature hedgerow running north to south through part of the site from the outset we have sought to

The site boundaries, and also with a central, mature hedgerow running north to south through part of the site from the outset we have sought to retain this. and to build an attractive area of public open space around and to build an attractive area of public open space around it.

Through this sensitive approach to existing habitats on site and the provision of additional planting by reference to the DEFRA metric we are able to demonstrate a biodiversity net gain of 13 point 7 per cent in habitat units and 261 per cent in to the death for metric, we are able to demonstrate a

Biodiversity net gain of 13.7% in habitat units and 261% in hedgerow units. in Highways times extensive discussions have been held with a travel plan will offer Sustainable and active travel both highways authorities East Sussex County Council and National Highways new provision will be within the

Options and improvements will be made to the A 2 5 9 A 2 6 9 Bexhill Leisure Centre junction as such both East Sussex and National Highways support the application. to summarise before you is a scheme which has been subject to extensive consultation with your officers and other

Statutory authorities we strongly consider the team to comprise an excellent landscape led scheme in a sustainable location with all technical considerations satisfied I hope that Members will agree that this particular site prior to ha provides for housing in a sensitive and appropriate way and that you will support your you

Particular site why TfL provides for housing in a sensitive and appropriate way and that you will support your officer recommendation, thank you. thank but thank you very much. councillors of the Christmas yes Councillor councillors of the Christmas, yes, Councillor Gordon. thank you Chair.

What’s all the EASEL and if he’d done with Ibstock the Brookwood have you had any sort of communication with a metal yes we have my colleague J will go into further detail but I was also involved in the early stages of those conversations and Ibstock have cooperated with us they did

Tell us from the outset that they were likely to object to the planning application and we understand their reasons for that but they cooperated they allowed us on their sites we undertook surveys within our site and within or on their site and they provided extensive details about their existing operations and potential future

With an eye on their site, and they provided extensive details about their existing operations and potential future operations on the site. and we’ve got a 5 metre acoustic barrier I believe so who’s gonna maintain that 5 metre acoustic barrier in the future

Of the House of the Bill yes that that is that is correct a 5 metre acoustic barrier will be on its main tie I will be provided and that will be maintained as part of the development itself it falls within Bowie’s ownership so it

Will fall into the management regime for the site as a as a whole thank you Councillor Greg the development itself it falls within Bowie’s ownership so it will fall into the management regime for the site as a as a whole. Thank you, Councillor Greg, thank you very much. my Christian is that we

My Christian is also about the fence. sorry you might be for me to ask one of your colleagues I’m very concerned about a 5 metre high fence which is very high that is high as our house and in clay soil it would be very difficult to anchor and also be subject to the

Prevailing winds fit it’s on the western barrier so itself is a would be very difficult to anchor and also be subject to the prevailing winds physics on the western barrier so that in itself is a big problem. OK sorry yeah the the the design of the fence was subject

To very careful technical analysis in terms of it’s it’s it’s actually make up the actual make-up of the acoustic fence itself the subject to very careful technical analysis in terms of it’s, it’s it’s actual makeup, the actual make-up of the acoustic fence itself, the foundations.

With regards to impact on on trees as well because there are trees nearby and also the ground conditions were satisfied that the fence can be provided and maintained are trees nearby and also the ground conditions were satisfied that the fence can be provided and maintained accordingly.

When the application was amended as I referred to in which was primarily led by Design considerations and a reduction in dwellings we actually move the dwellings away slightly and proposed a a corridor which you can just make out which sits between the back gardens of those properties and the

Trees to ensure that there is sufficient space for that offence to be maintained I’m not an engineer myself and if you have further questions jam may be trees to ensure that there is sufficient space for that fence to be maintained, I’m not an engineer myself and if

You have further questions jam may be able to help. but I but I can assure you that the fence was designed carefully and and has been subject to consultation with relevant authorities as well but I, but I can assure you that the fence was designed

Carefully and and has been subject to consultation with the relevant authorities as well. I think Councillor Stanger first then Councillor Drayson and then Councillor Gordon hello yeah hello yeah just a quick question around you said there was no objections but you look at the Sussex minerals and waste planning

Authority because it is in a mineral safeguarded area have an objective but I haven’t confirmed because there still saying even after the last I think it’s there is insufficient information to ridge a full assessment advise saying even after their last I think it’s there’s insufficient information to reach a full assessment can you

Add anything to that? we we’ve had extensive conversations with with them during the pre-application process and during the course of the application including understanding what they’re starts actually is one on with regard to that comment our view and so. it’s something that we discussed at length with your

Officers as well is that that is not but they have not objected they did object they would have they would have confirmed that but they have not objected, they did object, they would have, they would have confirmed that, yeah, thank you yes Council Councillor Drayson thank you Chair it may be

One for Jiang are I can’t find it in the details the apartments supposedly yes, Council, Councillor Drayson, thank you Chair, it may be one for Jiang, are I can’t find it in the details, are all the apartments supposedly affordable? other other apartments and is our most

Other other apartments and is our most blocks. contact with took my head that’s probably a question for Michael of Bellway I’ll confess with him what he’s got time to think yeah it’s something about it I mean we know many affordable Michael of Bellway, I’ll confess with him what he’s got

Time to think, yeah, we did something about it, I mean we know how many affordable homes there are. eight of them are one bedroom apartments 11 sorry 8 one bedroom 11 2 beds 6 3 beds and two for beds so there’s a lot of light and speaks where we will perform so

Bedroom 11 two beds, 6 3 bed and 2 four bed share, so there’s a lot of light and speaks where they will perform so yeah, OK, thank you. bigotry. the water pump subsequent an essential for the kit of the driving that land just to confirm who’s going to maintain

The water pump is that cannot be who is going it but I will driving that land just to confirm who is going to maintain the water pump is that it cannot be who is going to maintain it, but I will defer to J on that that’s OK I understood

That’s OK on a third time I thank you is falling questioned by 1 1 water gets I thank you as follow question about 1 1, one quarter as the water gets pumped to. J JS gonna be busy and refer to Jonathan that one as well

J JS, gonna be busy and refer to Jonathan that one as well. no I I have a question from no, I, I have a question from Councillor Thomas. hello the you you talk about having discussions with livestock but I noticed that its stock in New to 2 0 6 2 4

Point out they were not conducting clay extraction during the process it does monitoring can’t be point out they were not conducting clay extraction during the process, it does monitoring and therefore the results cannot be relied on. that being the case can you be certain that there will not

Be objections from future residents of the housing development in relation to the operations as livestock please so I think it’s important to stress that as part of Bowie’s own due diligence process when they decided to acquire the site they needed to ask themselves a question

About whether they can sell houses on the site so work was done through that due diligence process to satisfy Bellway that from their perspective this is unacceptable location to build houses and following that we proceeded with the pre-application process which included consultation with Ibstock themselves and also with the Minerals and Waste

Planning Authority what we’ve provided here is a minerals impact assessment which groups together all the technical Minerals and Waste Planning Authority. What we’ve provided here is a minerals impacts assessment which groups together all the technical assessments in under one under one banner to to provide an overarching view of the

Potential impact of the Brick Works existing next door that included agreement with the Minerals and Waste Authority as to the the scope and the process and the methodology of the various surveys to and and those questions were Authority as to the the scope and the process, and the

Methodology of the various surveys to and and those questions were asked. Jane may be able to provide further details on the exact nature and dates and timescales of the the surveys that were undertaken but from our perspective they were carried out over a significant period of time to ensure that all

Scenarios were accounted for importantly we will also required to account for potential it’s a hypothetical future that all scenarios were accounted, for importantly we will also required to account for potential it’s a hypothetical future scenarios. so we we I mean we had monitoring equipment on this on our

Site itself versus different period of time but we’ve also had to make an analysis of worst-case scenario analysis on a 0 0 on the basis of their stop carrying out quarrying that’s not had to make an analysis, a worst-case scenario analysis, on

A 0 0 on the basis of their stop, carrying out further quarrying that’s not already undertaken. closer to the site boundary including under the brickwork building which would be which would require a future planning application from Ibstock to to to achieve that that those who have been assessed as far as we are

Concerned that has reached a satisfactory conclusion planning application from Ibstock to to to achieve that that those who have been assessed, so as far as we are concerned that has reached a satisfactory conclusion thank thank you, thank you very much. if there are no further questions thank you I I thank you Bellway.

Very much indeed thank you no if there are no further questions, thank you I I thank you sorry. very much indeed, thank you, thank you. and we now have Mr. Mark there was a change in the order I confused myself j Murray arty from ardent my apologies for getting

Mr. Mark, there was a change in the order, I confused myself, J Moriarty from ardent, my apologies for getting Yvonne. I’ll try and keep my introduction as brief as possible because I expect there’s a lot of questions coming anyway I’ll try and keep my introduction as brief as possible,

Because I expect there’s a lot of questions coming anyway. but what about such an so as Mark introduced them and but what about such an so as Mark introduced them and from Alan consulting, so we’ve been involved in a lot of the technical reports

That have gone into the minerals impact assessment and also the the planning application as a whole and we’ve engaged thoroughly livestock early on in the project and they were very helpful in providing information on how they operate and inform your assessments thoroughly livestock early on in the project, and they were

Very helpful in providing information on how they operate and inform your assessments. and as part of our assessment year we we input into the minerals impact assessment and which and as part of our assessment year, we we input into the minerals impact assessment and which included.

The current scenarios which resumed worst case and also future hypothetical the current scenarios, which resumed worst case and also the future hypothetical scenarios as well. as Mark touched on as Mark touched on. so there’s a few key points here so there’s a few key points here.

That have been raised and in previous correspondence so one of the main one seems to be a noise on the barrier on on the left than left-hand side of the site and so there have been comments on the levels of this fence on that site

Raises away and the fence obviously does go with the site is on the site’s side of the trees and so therefore it it doesn’t diminish as the site rises actually rises so ends up being higher than livestock yard in building so the south side of the trees and so therefore it doesn’t

Diminish as the site rises actually rises so ends up being higher than livestock yard in building to provide more. more screening from the properties and all the objections we seem to have to date seemed to be based on anecdotal evidence yet we’ve we’ve modelled the current and future

We seem to have to date seemed to be based on anecdotal evidence, yet we’ve we’ve modeled the current future scenarios in line with local and national policy from the in line with local and national policy, with no objection from the Environmental Health Officer, and we’ve we’ve satisfied those assessments

And we’ve we’ve satisfied those assessments. at cancelled from drainage is walks I know that’s that’s quite an important feature for the site so my expertise in drainage myself and I’ll be able to answer those more accurately than some of the others but thorough assessment

Expertise in drainage myself and I’ll be able to answer those more accurately than some of the others, but and essentially we did a thorough assessment of the site. and in line with recent correspondence on the surface runoff I just wanted to touch on that that you would expect

On a site the falls at that gradient to have runoff you know some soaks into the ground some doesn’t and unfortunately at the moment that does affect the properties on Turkey Road so just like to remind people that when this development is built we will be putting in drainage and

Will be collecting that one-off now which will then go to three large basins which will be discharged or control rates and so he actually provides an 80 terms of runoff towards to three large basins which will be discharged at a controlled rate and so he actually provides an 80% batsmen

In terms of runoff towards those properties. reducing from about 1 point 3 hectares to only 0 point 2 7 hectares of greenfield runoff to towards those properties and so the development has a lot of merits and I’m happy to answer any questions on on those points

Greenfield runoff to towards those properties, and so the development has a lot of merits and I’m happy to answer any questions on on those points. anyone may have that anyone may have thank you thank you thank you very much Councillor Gordon first and then Councillor Booth thank you Chair hello

Thank you, thank you, thank you very much, Councillor Gordon first and then Councillor Booth, thank you Chair fellow high. so the Pompey decided quality essential bit of kit for this development and if it fails who’s gonna look after one who maintains yeah so it’s a very good question and so

Essentially it’s been designed to the second sewage guidance and will be offered for adoption who maintains yeah, so it’s a very good question and so essentially it’s been designed to the second siege guidance and will be offered for adoption to Southern Water.

Says it has been designed in line with the the policy in terms of offsets in terms of the size and emergency says it has been designed in line with the the policy in terms of offsets, in terms of the size and emergency storage as well. the Southern Water all responsible understood and SOFIBID

Concrete officer going on so it’ll be trained of so obviously be pumped off the site right into say holding tanks and discharged at a controlled rate yeah so you’ll be discharged at greenfield runoff rates which is the equivalent of what on a greenfield runoff at at the moment

So it makes the situation are worse than it currently is in terms of runoff so I’ll be runoff into Southern Water ill discharging to the watercourse chasing the golf all are contained in mimics the exists existing Catherine runoff bearing in mind he got concrete on the site and

Therefore yes yeah yeah absolutely so occupations ensured that the attenuation provided is sufficient for the amount of impermeable area on site. for most acute care. Councillor Bayliss yes thank you I mean Councillor Bayliss, yes, thank you, I mean an. predisposed to approving this application but the only

Thing I do worry about is there is a is a water issue and I was on the site visit on Tuesday and and in my feet I’d be swearing waterproof boots but my feet still got wet thing I do worry about is there is a is a water issue, and

I was on the site visit on Tuesday and and in my feet I’d be swearing waterproof boots, but my feet still got wet. it was very it was very waterlogged it was very, it was very waterlogged. walking driving along Turkey Road yesterday I the road was

Walking driving along Turkey Road, yesterday I noticed that the road was quite flooded. there were and and the road regularly gets flooded and I can sort of see that if you build on that site there’s a lot of concrete goes that that is actually going to get a lot

Worse so that some of the only thing that are the main irritation for me is around the the is this alter issue and where the water goes and if I if I was confident that the water was being pumped into something which would take

Irritation for me is around the the is the water issue and where the water goes and if I if I was confident that the water was being pumped into something which would take away. I think I would be more satisfied but as I say the visit

Plus my experience yesterday of driving onto Roding I think I would be more satisfied but, as I say, the visit plus my experience yesterday, of driving onto Roden Ray. upper house perhaps Jason upper house perhaps Jason answer the question. this will put his this two sites for that so in terms of

The existing site you are right there is runoff and as I said in my in my introduction if the site isn’t developed that will continue to happen and we are aware of flooding in Turkey Road as well and unfortunately our sites being Highland road can mitigate against that what we can do is

Dizziness system in line with which Highland road can mitigate against that what we can do is design a system in line with local and national policy which means that we have to, restrict the water on our site so what would generate in what we’re capturing we have to hold off site and discharge

Restrict the water on our site, so what would generate in what we’re capturing, we have to hold on site and discharge of Slow rate? not adversely affects flood risk downstream so that’s the that’s what assessment shows they will not be any worse than current the current situation and as I said earlier by

Putting in the the positive drainage on sites for the roads the goals and one thing that will capture the runoff that would otherwise go to those properties and taking by putting in the the positive drainage on sites for the roads, the goals and one thing that will capture the runoff

That would otherwise go to those properties and Turkey Road. thank you. I I’ll come to Councillor Gordon I just wanted to ask one myself that there will be a floor storage things thanks for surface water and other devices and pumping and so on and I

Think some of those would be in the amenity space in the centre is that ride as correct yes would would that restricts the use of that amenity space where they have to be fenced off it would not so so that’s been done in in consultation with the Lead Local Flood

Restrict the use of that amenity space where they have to be fenced off it would not so so that’s been done in in consultation with the Lead Local Flood Authority and, ideally you would not have them and roads because we like the roads to be adopted and they’re not very

Ideally you would not have them and roads because we liked the roads to be adopted and they’re not very maintainable on the roads. we could have them into parking spaces we have similar issues whether less accessible so the amenity space is the most sense for them being maintainable in the future so as

It will always remain open space access the most sense for them being maintainable in the future, so as it will always remain open space so they can be accessed access. the it would be possible to child to play the it would be possible to child to play absolutely yeah.

Yeah yeah the only storage within the Place near the play spaces is below ground near thank you Councillor Gordon like a true so if we had a failure of a pump but say loss of 24 hours in a rainstorm what any sort of muddling what

Might happen would it affect the properties in Turkey Road because of the runoff from a concrete do we know what might happen to the other properties in the area yeah there’s a failure of the waterfront I live near Rye so I appreciate what it’s all about with Southern Water trial of

Happen to the other properties in the area? Yeah, there’s a failure of the waterfront, I live near Rye, so I appreciate what it’s all about were suddenly holding a trial of sort of understood and and and that’s our duty as part of the guidance. sewage sacked guidance to make sure we have enough

Emergency storage the so we’ve demonstrated that with the basins and the underground tanks we haven’t have storage in in failure it will back up into those systems Councillor Councillor Mary bonds. thank you Chairman I’ll I’ll are looking more direction but I’m actually speaking to the Speaker

Thank you Channel are looking more direction, but I’m actually speaking to the Speaker in the earlier part of the discussion I think you’ve talked about conversations with Bellway in the earlier part of the discussion, I think you’ve talked about conversations with Bellway also with.

If stock and of course we have actually had now for livestock why was it not possible to allow a greater buffer between the boundary and the beginning part of the people of the houses why when you knew that if stock felt so strongly about the fact that there wasn’t a wide enough

Buffer did you not try to accommodate them as felt so strongly about the fact that there wasn’t a wide enough buffer, did you not try to accommodate them as a very good question? the key point with that is as has been mentioned previously on in some of the correspondence at the

Own doesn’t provide the key point with that is, as has been mentioned previously on in some of the correspondence at the try line on its own, doesn’t provide much way. to mitigate the sound from the site and so even if you to provide an additional buffer 5 10 metres you still get it

Sounds through the trees so the way of mitigating the sound is is with a barrier so even providing a buffer you wouldn’t get the benefits of not having the fence the sound is is with a barrier so even providing a buffer, you wouldn’t get the benefits of not having the fence, for example,

The design the design see question. the buffer wouldn’t provide much the buffer wouldn’t provide much benefit. all I can say is that it didn’t appear to rely all I can say is that it didn’t appear to really appease. the feeling of UBS talk about that and I must say it does

Look awfully close on the the feeling of UBS talk about that and I must say it does look awfully close on the on the plan. despite your assertion about despite your assertion about the trees. I think I think that’s a comment rather than a question

I think I think that’s a comment rather than a question, absolutely I mean I’ll just sovereign that with obviously we’ve we’ve done the the noise modelling to show that defence does what needs absolutely, I mean I’ll just supplement that with, obviously we’ve we’ve done the the noise modelling to show

That the defence does what needs to do. by providing an additional buffer you’d end up with a strip of land the again needs to be maintained isn’t usable is an overlooked from a safety point of view isn’t his unusable as open space so it’s in the most appropriate location but

To screen as those houses on on that side of the site his unusable as open space, so it’s in the most appropriate location for to screen as those houses on on that side of the site. I Councillor Thomas yeah, thank you.

It’s point 6 9 point 1 it says the M W P A considers there is insufficient information to fully assess the impacts of the proposed development on the Mineral Safeguarding Area why have you not provided sufficient information for it to be assessed please so I question was asked

Have you not provided sufficient information for it to be assessed, please, so I think that goes back to the question was asked to mark just before. that the information that they’re not comfortable they have enough of is to do with the construction detailing of that

Acoustic barrier they have not as Mark said they have not objected to the principle of the acoustic barrier we’ve shown in all our assessments why development meets local planning policy or local and national planning policy and no objections shown in all our assessments why? The development meets

Local and planning policy, a local and national planning policy, and no objections from HIV, that so yeah all I can say is is is subject to the condition of additional details on how how it’s built yeah, all I can say is is is subject to the condition of

Additional details on how it’s built. Councillor Councillor Gruen. other any additional construction methods being employed building the houses to take an account the slopes and how soggy and wet that fielders in terms of an additional foundations or yes I believe that a fully staple site if

It’s that weapon slowly yeah well it won’t be as well foundations, or, yes, I believe that a fully staple site, if its that weapon slowly yeah well it won’t be as well but the drainage system in but in terms of the construction of the houses and so the

Foundation designs based on the chief technical assessment so there’ll be bearing thicknesses of clay around the site and foundations will be deepened to a suitable Schroeter so yeah so signing accordance with ESA scientists there’ll be varying thicknesses of clay around the site and foundations will be deepened to a suitable Schroeter so

Yeah, so signing accordance with s I Site investigation. thank you very much and as there are no further questions well thank you very much indeed again very thank you very much, and as there are no further questions, well, thank you very much indeed, again, very helpful,

It always confuses me when things get out of order. thank you. now we have we have three ward or now we have, we have three ward or need award. o thank you Chair Goodman members and thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today as outlined by Mark I am

Mindful that Planning Manager Bellway homes and I certainly wish to pass my thanks to the officer for their positive recommendation as nights it proves there are project team has worked closely with your officers to get to a position where 89 units can be recommended for approval the schemes

Have all positivity since its submission in 12 months ago and while the number of venues is approval, the schemes have all positivity since its submission in 12 months ago and while the number of venues is reducing submission, the outcome has enabled positive feedback from both your

Design and Planning officers the scheme before you provide much-needed housing including policy compliant affordable as well as significant open spaces sufficient drainage and landscaping the development will provide significant drainage and flooding benefits as developers we completely recognise our neighbours of the Brit works and this has been designed in since our initial years

Recognise our neighbours of the Brit works and this has been designed in since our initial involvement nearly two years ago. the input into such documents which is enormous noise assessment included the involvement of the breadth words who helpfully allowed us to access the site and

Assessment, included the involvement of the brick words who helpfully allowed us to access the site and psychiatry live readings. below are confident that the mitigation proposed will protect the amenities of future residents while also improving the existing situation for those residents on Turkey Road significant Didi has gone into this site so not

Only managed to the planning matters but also Turkey, Road significant Didi has gone into this side so not only managed to the planning matters but also any sales risks. as previously upon a mark the scheme has a number of key benefits which has developers we are very proud of the

Scheme includes significant open spaces including a rival Green central open space and Northern landscape strip these spaces have been integrated with adjoining solutions and landscape strategy to provide environmental and social improvements in terms of biodiversity net gain improved surface water flooding and useful open and landscape Strategy to provide environmental and social

Improvements in terms of biodiversity net gain improved surface water flooding and usable open spaces. the scheme provides 27 much-needed affordable properties in the form of both flats and houses there will also be for custom or self build units the scheme also includes wheelchair accessible units to meet local needs homes will

Be constructed with solar panels or other measures to make them more environmentally friendly than previous housing stock overall the pro proposals have been thoroughly tested and consulted on and we are pleased that your officers and an independent technical advisors have indoor starring assessments leading to a recommendation

And consulted on and we are pleased that your officers and an independent technical advisors have indoor starring assessments leading to a recommendation for approval. we are committed to the development of the site to provide new homes in a sustainable location and the necessary

Funding and construction team is in place to start work as soon as possible we therefore respectfully request that the application be approved in accordance with your officers recommendation thank soon as possible, we therefore respectfully request that the application be approved in accordance with officers recommendation, thank you.

Thank you very much Councillor Gandhi thank you for your presentation the scheme provides for 27 affordable homes will they be thank you very much, Councillor Gandhi, thank you for your presentation, the scheme provides for 27 affordable homes, will they be built. yes absolutely yes, absolutely.

Within it’s not a guarantee yeah so within a sexual one Essex agreement which will be which will be dealt with following the permission following your approval normally within their there needs to be built by so 50 per cent of our private sale units so they are built and sold we will

Have an API on board before we start a sort normally they get handed over a Isbourne fulfil the units with people who were only on board before we start a sort normally they get handed over a Isbourne fulfil the units with with people who were on the affordable list.

Right the reason I I ask is that we’ve had several applications which have been approved on which included affordable homes in which later on were found to be unviable applications which have been approved and which included affordable homes, in which later on, were found to be unviable.

Sorry on this scheme we are not we haven’t issued any viability assessments you know we are confident that the scheme Washington phase we can provide policy compliant levels of affordable and that is what has been put forward if we less I did have to guarantee that we don’t we will be

Back in this room having having this conversation but that is not Bowes approach now we wanted to affordable housing we once forward sell Urena dodgy market it’s the conversation, but that is not Bowes approach. Now we wanted to affordable housing, we once forward sale, you know in a

Dodgy market, it’s the rotting today so you know we are absolutely committed affordable units so you know we are absolutely committed to providing these more security perhaps than if it had been an outline affordable units will hold application, does make it easier for us to consider the please do please, thank you.

Issues in general, I think. well yes Councillor Mowat thank you Chair just a quickie noise assessments so how long was how big as your window of noise assessment what I’m trying to get out is for local residents and the people that will be possible

Of noise assessment, what I’m trying to get out is for local residents and the people that will be possibly living there. clause assessments to include all the operations at Ibstock so how long was a noise assessment for and you know does it include all the operations

Ibstock, so how long was a noise assessment for, and you know, does it include all the operations that go on in Ibstock? because it’s a very successful business and we need to keep a gang we absolutely day and can I just quickly as the

Engineer Barney because he will answer to that I don’t know but psychiatrically a gang we absolutely day, can I just quickly as the engineer Barney, because he will answer to that I don’t know but psychiatrically. say I’ve been advised that we did short term monitoring on

EPS oxide when they allowed us on and then on our side there was a more long term because we could leave it there I didn’t need in impacts on their operation so means a week month there was a more long-term because we could leave it there,

I didn’t eat and impacts on their operation so long term means a week month year along, yeah there are at least away. well let’s hope they’ve stopped at all then he’s doing that well, let’s hope they’ve stopped at all and he’s doing that await them. yes Councillor Krista yes, Councillor Creasy.

Thank you for your presentation thank you for your presentation. councillors or any of these are noise assessment taken during the night because the site is in 24 hours a day and I’ve lived in the country for most of my life and nice travel was very much more Les figure distances and we’re

Volume during the night which is probably the really irritate potential more ma figure, distances and we’re volume during the night, which is probably the time most really irritate potential residents, thank you. that’s very fair questions yeah they Britain 24 7 so if

They ran for a week they run for the entirety of the week that data is then collected and modelled somewhere if they run for a week, they run for the entirety of the week that data is then collected and modelled summer or winter. no pollute please no mattering from the back

Questions from councillors Councillor no, please, please, no muttering from the back the any other questions from councillors, Councillor grown-up. yeah sorry I’m unfamiliar with Bellway as accompany so could you just confirm on the rental side of your affordable housing I do you review how often do you

Could you just confirm on the rental side of your affordable housing, how do you review, how often do you review the rents? so so. so I’ve said so. it’s about why on earth and affordable Florida weep we will sell that at 27 units to one of them a reservoir

Presidential I don’t want to affordable housing provider and indeed one house the residents’ rights OK so the affordability those in your Pa per viewers we build houses yeah we build the houses then died and house the residents’ rights OK so the affordability those in your Pa per viewers we build houses

Yeah we build the houses throughout the affordable products, yeah apologies thanks a lot and I I am sure that officers will be able to explain the technicalities of that later on as well Councillor Bayliss yes just a quick following question I think that’s a good good question her question

Or have you a preferred API partner for this particular as well Councillor Bayliss, yes, just a quick follow-up question, I think that’s a good good question per question have you a preferred API partner for this particular site? I don’t believe we have an API today but what normally

Happens is once we’ve got planning permission and the API now it’s coming forward we will go out to a number of parties and follow sex we will then take their tenure that bed and then we would pick a chosen party but they are they are also nationally recognised our peace

Parties and follow sex, we will then take their tenure that bed and then we would pick a chosen party but they are they are also nationally recognised our peace, that we’ll thank you very much and thank you that we’ll thank you very much and thank you.

And now I think we read we really do have the ward members are as I say we have I think all lined up we have Councillor winter appearing remotely and the other three are in the room here with us are, as I say, we have, I think, all lined up, we have

Councillor winter appearing remotely and the other three are in the room here with us. has your chance? could we could we start with Councillor winter please who is remote are you there yeah I’m here and we’ve only thank you very much Chair behind everybody can then pay me Councillor you you you have

OK as the Member for St Mark’s ward which directly neighbours this application I thought it would be prudent of meets raised some major concerns which have been brought to my attention by local residents the location of this SCI is in my opinion wholly inappropriate and its proximity to

The Bexhill cemetery is just sickening and its closeness to existing residential properties will be will cause further issues there are significant landscape changes that will be made for this development and these will have an impact on the surrounding area including the cemetery the statutory consultation response from the East Sussex County Council

Landscape Officer has noted that there would not be an adequate landscape buffer to the Sussex County Council landscape Officer has noted that there would not be an adequate landscape buffer to the symmetry to this site. furthermore if this application is granted the pace would

Try and quality of Cemetery would be ruined not only post-development wants the dwellings are lifting but during development as well with the number of industrial vehicles on site and the general site construction noise completely rolling Cemetery I think the East Sussex County Council landscape Officer has given some very useful objections and

There should be properly considered by all Members my next concerns regarding ground flooding and the current residents along the north side of Turkey Road already experiencing ground flooding on a regular basis during wet weather periods and the residents on the south side of Turkey Road experienced severe water ingress into their

Properties this is due to the high gradient of the northern end of the proposed site directly adjacent to the cemetery their properties. This is due to the high gradient of the northern end of the proposed site directly adjacent to the cemetery significantly soaping down towards these existing properties this

Application does not add to adequately address these issues and Members should consider this sloping down towards these existing properties. This application does not add to adequately address these issues, and Members should consider this concern properly. next there is no footpath infrastructure to and from the

Proposed site there is no footpath on the north side of Turkey Road and certainly nowhere for pedestrians either living on the site or proposed site, there is no footpath to the north side of Turkey Road and certainly nowhere for pedestrians either living on the site or visiting to cross safely.

Anybody who lives locally will only know the perils of Turkey Road and the number of car crashes that have unfortunately happened only within the last 12 months so even to get to One Stop which is over 12 minutes away you have to cross Turkey Road twice just to get a points of

Milk this could be a very expensive points of milk I understand that so many will be granted as with any large application but how will this improve the current lack of medical facilities prospects so or application, but how will this improve the current lack of medical facilities prospects so or school places, for

Example, there is a number of things wrong with this application and Members should consider this application carefully especially as the Ibstock Brick Works located directly adjacent to the proposed development have also raised concerns with the application specifically around the close proximity of residential dwellings to an active Brit works

Is often reported by existing local residents that when the Brick Works is active there were dust clouds s difficult noise et cetera that can be seen across this proposed site this would only because many issues for new residents if they saw is granted to conclude my final point is regarding

The proposed 5 metre acoustic barrier this is being proposed to mitigate against noise dust and others which clearly shows if Bellway are having to mitigate against these they are admitting that this site odours, which clearly shows if Bellway are having to mitigate against these. They are admitting that this site

Is far from ideal the acoustic barrier which is proposed to be erected alongside the Brit works there are no details in this in this application about its maintenance or its construction although even though this is a full planning application and this would still be lower than the upstairs windows of

Plots 1 to 13 as I believe Bridget mentioned earlier of the development and also the two and a half storey buildings located towards the middle of the site how can they saw even be considered when residents and a large local company have made some very obvious concerning thank

Even be considered when residents and a large local company have made some very obvious concerning and factual wants? Thank you Chair, thank you very much Councillor I’ll take the others in the older I have them all on my list so first aerial thank thank you very much, Councillor, I’ll take the others in

The older, I have them all on my list so first Kelsall Rathbone, aerial, thank you Chair. so I would welcome more housing for Dexter on rather there are people in desperate need when so I would welcome more housing for Dexter on, rather there are people in desperate need and there will be affordable

Valencia potentially. and starter homes though only fractionally the store called a number of 3 4 and starter homes, though only a fraction of the store, called a number of 3 four bedroomed has it. the plans fine. and more social housing and affordable homes always welcome

As is the 30 per cent biodiversity gain would like to be more but he comes the crux of it is a spike itself the S H all A 2 thousand 13 states that the site is some services. be more, but and here comes the crux of it is the site

Itself, the ES H all A 2013 states that the site is unsuitable for development. the pre application submission from 96 dwellings raised several concerns as mentioned including its location proximity to the big works Quarry site safe and suitable access for users with transport issues concerns on foul and

Surface water drainage potential impacts this one I mentioned occupancy levels essay see and Ramsar site and impact on cemetery natural woodland including nearby a Hayden’s would mentioned on pregnancy levels, essay see a Ramsar site and impact on cemetery natural lands including nearby SSA Hayden’s would,

The high highlights the preoccupation stated we would need to be convinced that the above fundamental issues can be addressed have they I fail to see how this is the case here changing the number of dwellings now it’s 89 89 does addressed, have they, I fail to see how this is the case

Here, changing the number of dwellings now, it’s 89 89 from 9 Che does not do that in my opinion. it does not change or remove the prior concerns or make the site and he wants suitable it does not change or remove the prime concerns or make the site, and he wants suitable.

The making more viable or the make it more viable or accessible. there was a reasonable land was not included on the 2 thousand and 13 s 8 all there was a reasonable land was not included on the 2013 s h all a. moreover the site as a history of large planning

Applications being attempted on the site and then being rejected 19 58 19 71 19 72 by 77 dwellings around schubert’s ward were rejected 19 80 where even were rejected 1958 1971 1972 by 77 dwellings around schubert’s ward were rejected, 1980, where even 27 dwellings were refused. and again and again in 1987. refused.

And once and what’s changed here? well nothing while not quite often because since as allocations run now and in nature and climate emergency well, nothing while not quite often, because, since as allocations run now and in nature and climate emergency. only yesterday report came out about the amounts of rain increasing

Only yesterday report came out about the amounts of heavy rain increasing. I think extra pressures of its location has been cancelled impacts of doing the festival’s nothing for nature of the climate for many years will need the help dozens of wildlife impacts of doing the festival is nothing for nature of the

Climate for many years will need the help dozens of wildlife alike. this development would be heavily codependent significant traffic issues reduced this development would be heavily codependent, meaning significant traffic issues, reduced road safety. widely inundation and actually serious pressures that are already visitable was here and impacts

Widely inundation and actually serious pressures that are already visible was here and impacts of in general, so I do not support this application on balance despite the obvious need for housing but posing a approval on would be social housing which may never materialised so I do not support this application on balance, despite

The obvious need for housing, but posing a approval on would be social housing which may never materialised and. we’ve already discussed the flooding issues they could be likely extra costs in this development that then reduce those housing as we have seen on other developments

Elsewhere so no I don’t see how this can be likely extra costs in this development that then reduce those housing, as we have seen on other developments elsewhere, so no, I don’t see how this can be approved. I thank thank you thank you Councillor Councillor Thomas thank you thank you Chair a chair

Thank thank you, thank you, Councillor Councillor Thomas, thank you, thank you, Chair or Chair members of the Committee. Councillor westbound Ariel myself has worked closely with residents about this and because of that work we’ve become aware of certain issues more strongly than than we were

Before in particular I want to raise the issues around dust noise light pollution etc which Ibstock has raised I’d seen say to grasp of dust emerging from the hedges next to the big works I’d also seen a state of Gloucester car cousin with dust following pollution from the Brick Works and so I

Don’t accept that the worst case scenario has been modelled because actually seen what the worst-case scenario looks like in practice with pollution there may be a certain level of pollution under normal atmospheric conditions but when there is a temperature insertion the pollutants thermostat can come to ground and dust can become a much

Greater problem particularly during the summer we know from each stock that the actual monitoring as dust took place when the quarry was not going on it stock has pointed that out instead the worst-case scenario has not actually been modelled from the stack you get nitrogen dioxide sheltered

OK so hydrogen chloride and hydrogen Floyd and particles other sizes PMT and the more dangerous get nitrogen dioxide, sulphur dioxide, hydrogen chloride, and hydrogen, Floyd and particles, other sizes, PMT, and the more dangerous PMP 2.5 the smell from the big works can be identified voted in the

Cemetery and also similar areas would and so the pollutants BW MP stated the proposals the non-mineral development on can come to ground if we just very quickly at what or near the mesa that’s to say a Mineral Safeguarding areas such as this which would result in incompatible resentment

Should be strongly resisted policy on three of the same thing things where we have a Mineral Safeguarding site like Safeguarding site like this the development should not be permitted on sites says there has to be. protection so there isn’t a potential for conflict between the existing businesses and the and the

Protection, so there isn’t a potential for conflict between the existing businesses and the and the housing development. and so we had this situation here where it’s not possible for the these these assurances to be given by vigil therapists and so I would ask actually physiotherapists to

Consider whether their reputation for good housing will be safeguarded if this development goes ahead and what I want to emphasises that often a planning committee will be worried about what will happen if they actually say no to a development there is the possibility there will be

Overturned by the Planning Inspectorate this is one of those rare cases where exactly the opposite could happen if you say yes to this development there could be an application to the Planning Inspectorate that you should have said No and so I think those considerations opponents

Etc out and as we have an authority which puts an emphasis upon being a healthy district I think it’s important place of the economic health of the brick licks and also for the future health of the people who may live there that we turned this development down

Important place of the economic, health of the brick works and also for the future health of the people who may live there that we turned this development down today. Please thank you Councillor I’m I’m being reminded if I if I needed reminding the that you can’t have appealed to the

Planning Inspectorate from a grant of planning permission there is there is the possibility of judicial review which is not strictly speaking in appeal at Planning Inspectorate from a grant of planning permission there is, there is the possibility of judicial review, which is not, strictly speaking, an appeal at all that,

Will across those bridges when and if so we’ll we’ll cross those bridges when and if we ever get to them, Councillor Councillor, however to make a legal application in relation to that I think can you go to court about it but you there

However, to make a legal application in relation to that, I think, can you go to court about it, a judicial review, yes, it is possible. yes but I believe the ace issues would be rather different from an appeal and we don’t think that we don’t need to discuss that now unfortunately Councillor

Yes, but I believe that these issues will be rather different from an appeal, and we don’t think that we don’t need to discuss that now, unfortunately, Councillor Coleman, thank you Chair on of making a for not to repeat the points that my colleagues have may vary sufficiently for the cycle

Of poverty if nothing else are obviously I represent simply alongside Councillor Chowdhury which neighbours this also this the sites in between three wards on which makes it quite peculiar I think and I have had lots of residents neighboring this site particularly up near whether

Which makes it quite peculiar I think and I have had lots of residents of neighbouring this site particularly up near whether Cemetery is, come to me with concerns and expressed concerns those concerns mainly being around wildlife loss of green space impact on the neighbouring properties on the lack of

Accompanying infrastructure on flooding there is also concern that this could be overdevelopment especially in the context of the recently approved Watermill Lane sites and the other Dacre applications and obviously to note that this is outside of the Bexhill development boundary on lots of good reason I question what the sort of community

Identity of those living on this site will be they’re not quite acidly but they’re not in Little Common on in food either I think if they are in St. stephen’s ward but there is far from the say CVAs polling station as they often the Sidley polling stations so a

Ward, but there is far from the say, CVAs polling station as they often the Sidley polling stations, so a question. If there’s a think they’re about community identity performing I just wanted to mention particularly think they’re about community identity, performing, I just wanted to mention particularly around the brick works.

This is a really vital local this is a really vital local employer particularly for my residents in Sidley who work there and we know that in rather there is issues with jobs and anything that could risk the expansion of local businesses to employ more local people should be taken seriously and

These kind of applications I feel are and I think we should also heed those concerns around the relations between those who would be living on this site and the Brick Works considering we’ve had the there already issues of those who live a reasonable distance from the brick works still

Seeing clouds of dust still experiencing some considering we’ve had there already issues of those who live a reasonable distance from the brick works still seeing clouds of dust still experiencing some noise issues. and whether or if you are going to approve this amounted to I think those particular concerns have been

A previous are there any additional conditions that could be added and I hope that if this does happen that the social and affordable element is kept to his Bellway, say they will thank you Chair, thank you very much. or perhaps before we and before we go to our. full discussion

I would just explain to everybody that we have senior officers here Kennedy at all development manager and we have have a Kirsty Cameron I would just explain to everybody that we have senior officers here, Kenya, all development manager, and we have Kirsty Cameron, a lawyer with us. as well as the case

As well as the case officers, and so we we can be well advised if during the course of and so we we can be well advised if, during the course of our discussions. there was something which was brought up which I think might need explaining the right right at the start was this

Business about the tilted balance the lack of lack of the housing supply I I think we need to know about that before we move to our own individual discussions who would like to vehicle, the housing supply, I, I think we need to know about that before we move to our own individual discussions

Who would like to deal with that. yeah yeah, I can do a. yeah we don’t we don’t have yeah we don’t we don’t have a a five-year supply of housing and in that situation the the National Planning Policy Framework sets says that we’d applications should be considered in a presumption in

Favour of sustainable development unless in this case there any adverse impacts at significantly demonstrably favour of sustainable development, unless, in this case of any adverse impacts that significantly demonstrably outweigh. the benefits of the scheme so because we don’t have the five-year supply our policies relating to the supply of

Housing and effectively out of date and the development boundaries are out of date so we consider the application housing are effectively out of date and the development boundaries are out of date, so we consider the applications on their merits. having regard to the presumption development

Having regard to the presumption in favour of sustainable development. thank thank you, thank you. thank you very much then Councillor Drayson thank you to questions on an observation at one is for both have probably thank you very much, then Councillor Drayson, thank you to

Questions on an observation at 1.00 is therefore both have probably from Mr. Cork. yes the lack of housing supply stops are development boundaries applying but all the other policies apply and from looking at the plans again because I managed to find it this time he affordable affordable apartments are all in

Those two blocks where paragraph h 6 says they don’t meet Part 4 m 4 of the building regs in relation to in those two blocks where paragraph h 6 says they don’t meet Part 4 m for of the building regs in relation to accessible,

Ability and I just wonder are we happy that all the affordable flats will be not compliant with something that we say all needed dwellings will meet this we require them to meet this but we’re saying or it doesn’t matter when the apartments and actually by the way or the eponymously

Affordable ones sounds like second-class some apartments and actually, by the way or the eponymously affordable ones sounds like second-class some accommodation for, the affordable people a second question is we were discussing rural the affordable people a second question is offer, often when we were discussing rural applications.

The role and I must quite rightly say can we make sure that Westfield people get first option at the Westfield houses is there a way we can make sure that Bexhill people get first option of the affordable accommodation on this site and my observation is if these houses were their Ibstock

Wouldn’t be allowed to be their Ibstock is get first option of the affordable accommodation on this site and my observation is if these houses were there Ibstock wouldn’t be allowed to be there, Ibstock is there. yes thank you and as officers could clarify about the

Allocations policy is 1 point and the other point is amenity space for yeah, thank you, as officers could clarify about the allocations policy is 1 point and the other point is the amenity space for the flats. the yeah that the the Wednesday means is based you mean me

The info through compliance that was raised by Councillor yeah I mean I’ve acknowledge that and a reporter is a the info through compliance that was raised by Councillor yeah, I mean, I’ve acknowledge that no reporter is a deficiency in this game. I’ll have acknowledged it in reports but on the planning

Balance we re re we’ve accepted that and and and the the the delivery of 89 houses including the 27 units outweighs at wiser in his case balance we re re, we’ve accepted that and and and the the the delivery of 89 houses included in the 27 units outweighs at wiser in his case.

And yes and I think the point has also been made I’m not saying that this is a solution which is determined to in my due to the public open space yes in terms of amenity space case but it just just for the record that the festival flats all have balconies the second floor

Do actually have flats and the ground floor flats don’t have any their own outdoor space but as you rightly say there are there is the are there is the open space that can be used by residents of those properties. thank you thank you, Councillor Bayliss.

Ask a question of officers about the the relationship with Ibstock because it seems to me that if this development goes ahead the proposed excavation underneath the existing Ibstock, because it seems to me that if this development goes ahead, the proposed excavation underneath the existing factory units.

Which I think you were noted gentlemen alluded to would require planning permission and so if we granted this planning application today will we in effect be which I think you were noted, gentlemen, alluded to would require planning, permission, and so, if we granted this planning application today, will we in effect be?

I mean I’d assume we could still grant planning permission but would we be in a position where we may not be able to grant them because of those properties I mean, I’d assume we could still grant planning permission, but would we be in a position where we may not

Be able to grant them because of those properties exist? the new properties that are discussing so we will impact on their future plan ability to the new properties that are discussing, so we’re really impact on their future plan, ability to request planning application. My understanding as Fink standard is now there is no

Intention by it stopped her to to build on to the brickwork spouting off I excavate under the brickwork building but as things stand in terms of the current operations adequate mitigation can be provided and that’s that’s been accepted by that’s set out in the technical reports I’ve been

Providing reviewed by our our own environmental health service in terms of any future operations that may involve excavating under the Brick Works been providing reviewed by our our own environmental health service in terms of any future operations that may involve excavating under the brick works building.

That that would in itself and then the the report that we’ve been provided with in terms of noise shows that there would be an impact on the properties in Turkey Road that already exists so mitigation measures that if an application would be an impact on the properties in Turkey Road that

Already exists so mitigation measures that if an application came forward by the Brick Works it’s likely that they’ll need to provide mitigation measures any way for those existing residential properties on on Turkey Road so they they they they wouldn’t have any sort of extra Andrew them and

Properties on on Turkey Road. So they they, they, they wouldn’t have any sort of extra Andrew burdens placed on them in that regard thank you doesn’t that answers thank you, doesn’t that answers your question? yes, thank you. of who was first Councillor Grove who was first Councillor Grove, Councillor Alan Shearer?

I just sorry to carry on from that though but these houses that have been developed will be much closer said the objection would not be in proportion to just sorry to carry on from that though, but these houses that have been developed will be much closer said the

Objection would not be in proportion to the site. My answer that he said they will help obviously have the the five-piece haikus sick barrier in place which provides the adequate mitigation now sorry but and then the report that I’ve seen shows that the with that in place those

The adequate mitigation now, sorry, but and then the report that I’ve seen shows that the with that in place those properties would experience. increased noise levels but sorry with properties in Turkey Road that exist at the moment increased noise levels, but sorry with the properties in Turkey Road that exist at the moment,

Councillor staying off as than Councillor staying off as then, Councillor Golton yeah thank you just a couple of things to do with the mineral assessment and the Mineral Safeguarding Area are you as a officers I obviously you’ve kind of agreed that you satisfied and balanced overall but it seems vague as

Unlike the response and not being able to give a full definition and an assessment from East Sussex memo Authority decided the happy completely that everything’s been taken into consideration so do you think the On of Ibstock separation at Bexhill so it’s what changes

The equation for them if they want to sort of say goat mineral mining under the current sort of battery premises. because now 89 houses in very close proximity selfishly I think Councillor Jason touched on this because now 89 houses in very close proximity selfishly, I think Councillor Jason touched on this.

It will push probably effect would suspect it will push probably affect their future operations, I would suspect. as I said in terms of any future operations if they wanted to demolish the brickwork building and excavate for that they’d still that’s still be an impact on the existing residential properties in Turkey Road so

Provide mitigation anyway that, they’d still that’s still be an impact on the existing residential properties in Turkey Road, so they would have to provide mitigation anyway and do any. required to provide it in any records provided in any new permission, but it’s 15 metres as opposed to one of

But it’s 15 metres as opposed to one of a metered. a lot closer a lot closer. yes Councillor drinks thank you Chair just my second question is are we able to put in in the Wyre 69 where we give Bexhill residents first refusal at the affordable

Housing as we do with so many of the question is, are we able to put in in the Wyre 69, where we give Bexhill residents, first, refusal that the affordable housing as we do with so many of the roar yeah well we we we have a housing allocation policy I don’t

Know if officers here are in a position to describe that Catherine Harlow is online remotely I don’t know if she’d actually listening robot whether she’s got his son turned off because she’s here for another matter and there’s no criticism of Hershey if if we can’t get Catherine can you hear us

Turned off because she’s here for another matter and there is no criticism of Hershey if, if we can’t get it yeah, Catherine hello, can you hear us, can you hear us no I’m afraid yeah I can’t hear you I was meeting pride I

No, I’m afraid, yeah, I can’t hear you, I was engaged in a meeting pride, I had my name on it. is equipped with we were dealing with the application at Turkey Turkey Road Yazbek is equipped with, we were dealing with the application at Turkey, Turkey, Road Yazbek pecks Hill.

And as with the affordable housing councillors are asking about the allocations policy whether whether the affordable housing would go to local people and as with the affordable housing Councillors, are asking about the allocations policy, whether whether the affordable housing would go to local people index Hill.

While I wasn’t aware of the Turkey by development prior to today’s meeting and obviously the out for consultation while I wasn’t aware of the Turkey by development prior to today’s meeting, and obviously the allocations policy was out for consultation over the summer.

So will have to have a look at that new allocations policy and what’s being set up in relation to the Turkey rides at this time I can’t say that I so will have to have a look at that new allocations policy and what’s being set up in relation to the Turkey rides at

This time, I can’t say that I can comment on that, just because I wasn’t aware of the Turkey Road just because I wasn’t aware of the Turkey Road development prior to this. but I am happy to go away and and

But I am happy to go away and and find out if you want. no thank you sir sorry to sorry to put you on the spot on that’s all I know that you weren’t here for the purpose of this this particular application my apologies

No, thank you, sir, sorry to sorry to put you on the spot, and I note that was I know that you weren’t here for the purpose of this, this particular application, my apologies. thank you Councillor gamely I’d just like to say that whatever the

Thank you Councillor gamely, I’d just like to say that whatever the requirements Turkey Road they will be they will be subject to the same allocations policy is the restaurant requirements Turkey, Road, they will be, they will be subject to the same allocations policy as the rest of infection soap.

I’m surprised the officer can’t tell us what the new allocations I’m surprised the officer can’t tell us what the proposed new allocations policy is. is that not fortunately just outside the is that not, fortunately, just outside of it? I can’t clearly here the questions to see now the it’s

Intermittent reception so I could you just repeat that or other types can someone type into the text yes certainly can you tell us what is the proposed new with regard to Bexhill other types can someone type it into the text, yes, certainly can you tell us, what is the proposed new

Allocations policy with regard to Bexhill? yes the Chipmunk changes to the allocations policy are around local connection in relation to family members and we’re looking at slightly different banding so it covers all of rather it’s not a specific one for each town but we’re looking at slightly different banding, so it covers

All of rather it’s not a specific one for each town, but action is what counts, basically whether it’s Bexhill or when we’re looking at. removal. thank you. I thank thank thank you very much Councillor Stanger yeah just one quick question for an officer ever can answer is

The bat potential impact on the business Ibstock is that classed as a material consideration yeah, just one quick question for an officer ever can answer is the bat potential impact on the business Ibstock is that classed as a material consideration at all.

A low impact on any future impact on him stock as a business or reducing or having to failure to expand in the future as necessary is at Gloucester the material or non material and Chairman yes and I mean it is something that

We have to sit out in the report and that’s where we need to look down we have to concede they business legislative a new residential development national noisy look down, we have to concede their business legislative, a new residential development, national noisy business or noisy.

Neighbour us as his assistant but they have provided sufficient mitigation measures that we have to consider under this current operations yes there is potential for you’ve stopped to expand or not even expanding future so that is something that will be taken account when you’ve still comes for planning permission in future for that

Business to expand however now what is before us is the application and measures have been proposed or conditions have been put in place to try to mitigate the current levels of of the application and measures have been proposed or conditions have been put in place to try to mitigate the current

Levels of of the business operations. thank you, we we were had about star sterilisation of the many mineral resources is that a material consideration before us today we we were had about star sterilisation of the many mineral resources, is that a material consideration before us today?

Thank you Chairman is not something I am fully aware of 40 of patients that is involved in that whether or not it would require additional permission from the council but our operation to be incorporated within the business but my view or my understanding is that the current application

Has been gone through statutory consultees and they have given us conditions and measures that we can use to try to mitigate against us I mean if you look at the the plan itself we’re talking about probably about six houses that should’ve immediately about abutting the the boundary the

West boundary with with Ibstock so we have those measures in place we’ve got the acoustic fence and boundary, the west boundary with with Ibstock, so we have those measures in place, we’ve got the acoustic fence and another things that boundaries have put in place to try to mitigate those immediate

Boundaries have put in place to try to mitigate those immediate concerns. and I I agree I think it came out in the questioning but the there’s no actual objection from the minerals is there and I, I agree, I think it came out in the questioning, but

The there’s no actual objection from the minerals authority is there? there’s no outright objection from them is it is effectively a general comments they’ve they’ve not committed there’s no outright objection from them, is it’s effectively a general comments, they’ve they’ve not committed one way or the other?

Thank you and I I think I might just mentioned that stage about statutory thank you, and I I think I might just make no mention that at this stage about statutory consultees. generally because highways issues were generally because highways issues were raised. where there are statutory consultees and a for example

Where there are statutory consultees and a specific area, for example Highways. and they don’t object to an application it’s very difficult if well-nigh impossible for this committee to go against what they say because they are they are they acknowledged experts and the particular case of the the highways there

Is provision within the application for provision of crossings to go over to the footpath on the far side of Turkey Road thought for example and that is through the provision of crossings to go over to the footpath on the far side of Turkey Road Thorpe for example and that is

Satisfactory to through the Highways Authority. so we need to be careful about not substituting one and inexpert opinion for and so we need to be careful about not substituting and an inexpert opinion for an expert one. Councillor Drayson then Councillor Gruen thank you it’s

Just a pick-up Councillor Stangos last point and the answer the mitigation is about the houses being mitigated against Ibstock his question was more about if stock and there’s no protection or mitigation for future effects on Ibstock him, stop his question was more about if stock and there’s

No protection or mitigation for future effects on if stocks operations. Councillor grown-up so he could just clarify if there are 220 surplus houses it’s just going back to the how many that are that the yeah that Dacre talks about? 5 thousand 700 houses being built out

5,700 houses being built out over the plan period. but as I said we die we don’t that’s all well and good but we don’t have a five-year housing anthropologists not being built out in that case the mppa says that we we we have to be applied presumption in favour of sustainable development

And a nice to grant permission unless the adverse impacts of the scheme significantly and demonstrably outweigh the benefits in this case the delivery of 89 houses is a adverse impacts of the scheme significantly and demonstrably outweigh the benefits in this case the delivery of 89 houses is a substantial.

Positive benefit in favourite scheme writers why we are recommending approval so it’s because we haven’t built 5 thousand 700 houses is that correct correct understanding that OK thank recommending approval, so it’s because we haven’t built 5,700 houses. Is that correct correct, but my understanding that OK, thank you,

The Council Ganley if we have reached the end of the discussion Chairman I am happy to if that is ours, we know a protected species, they are talking of an artificial sett, we know it’s very difficult to move badgers and they’ve probably been there for centuries the noise

From 89 houses the vibration is going to drive or this wildlife away there is nowhere for these horses to go through my please let’s just leave this field wildlife where it wildlife away, there is nowhere for these horses to go through my please, let’s just leave this field for the

Wildlife where it belongs. thank you Councillor spaniel then Council about it yeah just one quick points for missed there was the 2 thousand 13 at sites all I was done so what differs from that assessment today’s assessment is it just the land supply your property supply the strategic House Housing Land

Availability Assessment 2 thousand 13 he said it was deemed unsuitable the site it it rates illiterate as a potential housing sites and at a time that’s that’s what the opinion was obviously now we’ve site it it rates illiterate as a potential housing sites

And at a time that’s that’s what the opinion was. Obviously now we’ve had an application in it’s got full details accompanying X and we are considering against current policies and and we’ve yeah we’re in a position we were able to supportive on his mark thanks

It’s got full details accompanying X and we are considering against current policies and and we’ve yeah, we’re in a position where we’re able to supportive on his mark thanks. could I ask the mostly comment indeed objection from the East Sussex County Council landscape because of the view

From the cemetery I think you have a photograph just to illustrate how solving tonight yellow East Sussex County Council landscape because of the view from the cemetery I think you have a photograph just to illustrate the idea, but you have saw many tonight yellow.

So this is when it comes up misses the so beef the view from the symmetry to the north I’ve taken a couple of photographs and within the cemetery just to show members what they’re currently is so looking down from the North at the moment you can see the stable buildings

What they’re currently is, so looking down from the north at the moment you can see the stable buildings there in the middle. that will effectively removed and you will have a a line of houses going across our from sort of West to already left

Fully are fully worked up landscaping yeah so there will be to right basically as you’re looking at that if you could some additional tree planting in that area I think the go down one as well and closest dwelling will be 20 metres to the boundary with the

Cemetery and I think that one that serves to ways 36 metres away from the boundary so yes it will be visible and that’s and that’s acknowledged in the report and so yeah there will be some harm to the setting and a cemetery from developments.

The next slide download does show for a bit of context that the the free dwellings at the top of the access trackless numbers to 70 to 2 7 4 their back gardens immediately but onto the Cemetery and you can save the the free dwellings at the top of the access track,

That’s numbers to 70 to 2 7 4, their back gardens immediately but on to the cemetery, and you can save. the cemetery there in that sort of foregrounds with the houses in the background so the cemetery there in that sort of foregrounds with the houses, in the background so.

There are houses already backing onto the site and as I said in a report it it it is not actually that unusual for cemeteries to be surrounded by housing developments you know it’s not it’s not Uncle on said in a report it it, it is not actually that unusual for

Cemeteries to be surrounding by housing developments, you know, it’s not it’s not uncommon on come. I thank thank you Councillor Murray bonds I thank thank you, Councillor Murray bonds. while we’re talking about the while we’re talking about the cemetery. I did a little bit of background research trust

I did a little bit of background research, but one can’t trust everything one reads online but I did read of an appeal to extend the symmetry some nine years or so ago and it was refused by the judge on the basis that it would actually be not at all a peaceful

Environment for those visiting Groves so it was not allowed at that time so I’d like to ask Mr. the basis that it would actually be not at all a peaceful environment for those visiting Groves, so it was not allowed at that time so I’d like to ask Mr. Cork,

About the noise that possibly he had when he was taking about the noise that possibly he had when he was taking those photographs. the noise he was it was the noise he was, it was a quiet environment. sorry Chairman I just just was a bit concerned on reading that account of

Sorry, Chairman, I just just was a bit concerned on reading that account of the judges. reason for not allowing an extension to the cemetery nine years ago was that this symmetry or reason for not allowing an extension to the cemetery nine years ago was that this symmetry or o

Yeah yeah I I don’t know I I don’t know that we can really take that into account without contracts yeah yeah, I I don’t know I, I don’t know that we can really take that into account without knowing the context. there’s somebody does somebody wished to speak? or all right, Councillor Bayliss.

Yes I have my hand up before our Councillor bonds just to say I am minded to second well we all second at Councillor Gormley’s proposal that we grant planning permission yes, I had my hand up before our Councillor bonds just to say I am minded to second well, we all second Councillor

Gormley’s proposal that we grant planning permission. I accept the arguments eyeballs worried about the waterlogging of the site and I was worried about the flooding the I encountered but I think the assurances that I’ve had from planning officers and also from there always flooding the I encountered, but I think the assurances that

I’ve had from planning officers and also from there were always. expert assure me that the that that can be dealt with understand about expert assure me that the that that can be dealt with, I understand, about edges and. what have you but I am concerned about people and yesterday

I visited somebody on our housing waiting list is in bounces basically living in a shoebox in in in in our town and every week we are dealing with people who are in need of housing and I’m afraid that has the outweigh in bounces, basically living in a shoebox, in in in in our

Town and every week we are dealing with people who are in need of housing and I’m afraid that has the outweigh. the no the issues error around protecting wildlife and I think there is no a a net gain de you know unless there’s an objection or your current you’ll contesting the the

Assessment were think there is no a a net gain J you know unless there’s an objection or your current you’ll contesting the the assessment were told that there is a a net gain on a net gain on diversity, so you know bearing in mind if I look at section 9 of the

Planning application to the fact that we will we will bring in one nearly one and a half million pounds worth of CIL and those of us that are involved in the civil committee this week have recognise so it is an especially GP surgeries and improving.

Yeah there’s the service that people get in that respect that infrastructure so I mean yeah, there’s the service that people get in that respect that infrastructure, so I mean. no it adds up here I would be very interested in anybody who could tell me what the implication would be of our

Refusal and the and the fact that Bellway homes would probably go to appeal and that what that would costs we would lose the New homes bonus which is 7 three-quarters of nearly three-quarters of the wealth three-quarters would lose the New homes bonus, which is 7 three quarters

Of nearly three-quarters of the wealth and Rotherham roughly three-quarters of a million pounds. so you know when I put people first you know and 27 affordable units of housing I just so you know, when I put people first, you know and 27 affordable units of housing, I just cannot. say now sorry

Say now, sorry. Wilson thank Welshman, thank you, Mommy. moreover moreover. conservative was it was at Councillor staying I was somebody we should was it was at Councillor staying, I was somebody which was? we we we well with the it’s a general debate we can always

Bring officers in in if we need to it and you’ve got a year three points I brought people as well but it’s a balance between the natural appetite it’s close to the presidency levels it’s got lots of other factors to take into consideration developers unknown for putting everything up

Greatly upfront and then hopefully in the future we don’t get no viability assessments and do they implement the water management plans and the construction Management Plan and effectively sustainably they all implement the water management plans and the construction management plan effectively sustainably. They all massive questions

Hope based on the paper and Liverpool provided they will but it’s still concerned for myself hope based on the paper and Liverpool, provided they will, but it’s still concerned for myself, thank you. does anyone else wish to speak does anyone else wish to speak? yes.

Well if if the if there nobody else wishes to speak we are count Councillor Chaudhry well, if, if the if there nobody else wishes to speak, we count Councillor Choudhry. I went to know that there is no the edits no off road or Cyprus parking facilities so how many visitor parking space

Inside that project that’s the very important because there is no parking facilities there so parking facilities, so how many visitor parking space inside that project that’s the very important, because there is no parking facilities there so obsessively. Mr. Colin will have the figures yeah so each of the houses

Has two on-site car parking spaces the flats all have one allocated parking space each and then there are Sam visitors parking spaces being provided within the site allocated parking space each, and then there are some visitors parking spaces being provided within the site as well.

Find it I’ve 45 put it down and report somewhere find it. I’ve 45 put it down in a report somewhere, but what what you’re thinking but effectively there’s there’s gonna be enough on-site parking provided overall Highway the highway authority who confirmed that in in their consultation response

There’s gonna be enough, on-site parking provided overall highway, the Highway Authority has confirmed that in their in their consultation response. yes I I again it comes back to the statutory consultees and the the highways authority is satisfied with parking arrangements Councillor Gray thank you I’m just a very

Quickly reply to Councillor Bayliss I thought the pity 10 and put it very well when she said who is speaking up for the people with it will think they’ve built their dream home and will find themselves living in and unlivable with noise people with it will think they’ve built their dream home

And will find themselves living in an unliveable area with noise with dust. you have to think of that Israel so yes we do want more houses but we won the right houses in the the right priorities you have to think of that Israel, so yes, we do want more

Houses, but we want the right houses in the right place for the right price. before Council again the I’ll I’ll just make an observation the that our own environmental health department has gone over these noise and dust issues and and is set the arrangements that are

The that our own Environmental Health department has gone over these noise and dust issues and and is satisfied with the arrangements that are being made. and they are professionally qualified people County Councillor gangly I just like to point out the people who buy these houses will have full access to all the

Inflammation of near and will then make their own decisions in with regard to dosh them flooding and so forth it will make their own decisions these are adults yeah I I think I think we do have a responsibility to make sure that the the living accommodation standards are are

Adequate for modern, modern, modern use and yes yes County Councillor gritter just one quick rebuttal to that the the social housing tenants will not have the choice it’s either that or nothing well true can say debt they’re not chosen to be there they just need down and and

And so therefore they would take whatever is can say debt, they’re not chosen to be there they just need down and and and so therefore they would take whatever is on offer. thank you. thank you thank you are the pointed clarity that is their social housing or was it affordable

Thank you, thank you are the point of clarity that is their social housing or is it affordable? there’s there’s there’s a mixes there’ll be 7 first homes I think it’s 16 affordable rents and 17 affordable rent and actually and fresh there’s there’s there’s a mix as there’ll be seven first

Homes, I think it’s 16 affordable rents and 17 affordable rent actually and free shared ownership. does any other Councillor wish to speak if not we vote and does any other Councillor wish to speak if not, we move to a vote and the Councillor gallery proposing

Councillor gallery, would you would repeat what she was proposed? you move you move approval in other words you you move, you move approval, in other words, you move approval. in that case bearing in mind that we have to lift our hands high and hold them then so they can be counted those in

Favour of granting approval for this in that case, bearing in mind that we have to lift our heads high and holding them down so they can be counted those in favour of granting approval for this scheme. I mean harmony and those against I mean, how many and those against. and that was 6

So that was 5 4 and 6 against are there any abstentions so that was 5 4 and 6 against, are there any abstentions? 5 4 and 6 against so the motion is lost and the is refused 5 4 and 6 against so the motion is lost and the application is refused.

That we we need when we need we need to to formulate that we we need when we need, we need to to formulate reasons for that. thank you Chairman but members will have to direct are saying what their concerns are with this game considering

That you’ve got the officers report you’ve got the experts opinion including conditions to try to mitigate those harm Sir members will have to direct us in what they are concerns are and what they’re not Clare on in terms of what is not within the scheme that you think would not adequately mitigate any

Concerns are and what they’re not Clare on in terms of what is not within the scheme that you think would not adequately mitigate any impact. would it wouldn’t be a proper to to to a would it wouldn’t be a proper 2 to 2 Jan? obviously obviously.

We we we I I think I think the reasons for refusal were quite clear from the discussions that we had but they do need to be formulated would would one of the opponent that those who voted against please formulate the reasons why it

Was we are under a legal duty to give reasons for refusing we must give reasons for our decisions and they must be cogent reasons was we are under a legal duty to give reasons for refusing, we must give reasons for our decisions and they must be cogent reasons concentration,

Well because my commander so our reasons but one of them is is the flooding is the is that thing and others mitigation but I’m not convinced that will make up for the extra concrete and the fact that it’s already a very wet site

To buffer zone now and we’re gonna say a five-metre once concerned with good enough, with a 5 metre high fence. and I think the flats already look over that fence and property possibly some of the other and I think the flats already look over that fence and

Property, possibly some of the other houses do. the biodiversity it’s a game but why not leave what’s there’s there the biodiversity, it’s a game, but why not leave what’s there’s there? creating bat boxes when they’ve got perfectly good trees to

Rest in now I I don’t see why we need to disturb it even if the plans increase it magically somehow because the crested newts will go I’m I’m sure and I’m very concerned with going back to the if the plans increase it magically, somehow, because the

Crested newts will go, I’m sure and I’m very concerned with going back to the slot I know we’re not. confined by boundaries but the point made the lack of housing supply doesn’t make an unsuitable site suitable confined by boundaries, but the point made, the lack of

Housing supply doesn’t make an unsuitable site suitable. it’s just the wrong it’s just the wrong site I let other people add to that I’ll let other people add to that because I need to go to them. councillor if if if you leave you if you leave you won’t be

Able to come back again councillor, if if, if you leave you, if you leave, you won’t be able to come back again. you you have. yeah that? this is still this is still. yes Councillor Thomas post-watershed we do not be a good idea to actually adjourned the meeting so this discussion

Can take place with with less at the time and turned it with more of the sense of I think to who comes with him I I have been I have been advised that we have to more of the sense of I think, to who come to a conclusion I

I have been, I have been advised that we have to discuss this in public. a habit habit. yes so i i i i i written down that this the of all of those on that list I would say and I I’m bearing in mind that the officers will have to defend this

Yes, so i i i i i written down that this, the of all of those on that list I would say, and I I’m bearing in mind that the officers will have to defend this in front of. in front of a and insert in front of an Inspector.

And costs will be awarded if time and effort is spent discussing issues which didn’t actually stand a chance and I don’t think the flooding sends a chance and think the biodiversity does discussing issues which doesn’t actually stand a chance, and I don’t think the flooding sense a chance, and sadly I

Don’t think the biodiversity does. so that the the two that I’ve got which I think might be re might be defensible are you know resid residents to the Ibstock so that the the two that I’ve got, which I think might be re, might be defensible, are you know, resid residents

Being next to the Ibstock site? with night noise and so on and the with night noise and so on and the Austin pollution. the view from the houses the the Dustin pollution the view from the houses, the the dust and pollution

I I would add I suppose are having voted in favour of the application but I I would add the sterilisation of I, I would add, I suppose, are having voted in favour of the application, but I would add the sterilisation of minerals, and the future operation of

And the future operation of him snuck. which is a major employer in the area thank future which is a major employer in the area, thank you for your future. Major and May major employment. and I think we said Yes 85 was at 85 employees within

And I think we said, Yes, 85 was at 85 employees, we think. there is the it is my opinion is it’s it’s not it is not a strong objection but there is the land the objection there is the it is, my opinion, is it’s it’s not, it is not

A strong objection, but there is the land, the landscape objection from the view from the cemetery the that is Council landscapes officer view from the cemetery, the that is supported by the County Council landscape Officer. it is hardly a be it’s probably not a big issue but it is

It is hardly a be, it’s probably not a big issue, but it is an issue. Councillor Councillor Krista and can I just clarify the affordable rented homes are they the 80 per cent Once are they social housing Councillor Councillor Krista, and can I just clarify the

Affordable rented homes, are they the 80% Once or are they social housing rents? it was. if sorry the the 20 of the 27 if sorry the the 20 of the 27 units. there’s 17 affordable housing for rent affordable affordable rents yeah so I feel the for rent is not social

All like there and 80 per cent 80 per cent of a lot of rent is it it’s affordable rents it’s 80 per cent of social rates they often money to a lot of money 0 I note that won’t help the most vulnerable of our communities because that that they

Couldn’t afford that drew and also because the site it may or not I now abstained because I am always predisposed to but I have to say, this does it really make sense to me and having lived in the countryside for a long time I know having no pavements

And that could be a real issue and it’s dangerous this does it really make sense to me and having lived in the countryside for a long time, I know having no pavements and that could be a real issue, and it’s dangerous children. and of course with the gliding anything of separates them

Just to clarify that the this online sexual councillors of all of the affordable housing affordable and social housing is concerned it is policy compliant I think there’s been perfectly but yeah I’m thinking about the people and the and the well it is it is it is it is policy compliant we we

Might like a better world he said we might like a better world but we operate within the policy compliant, we we might like a better world. He said we might like a better world, but we operate within the policies that we’ve got but we can’t we can’t we can’t reopen the discussion but

What what were what we’re doing now is to having voted with formulating the reasons on on on which on which we but we can’t we can’t we can’t reopen the discussion, but what what were what we’re doing now is to having voted with

Formulating the reasons on on on which on which we voted. this and and policies. and the ears and it needs to be linked and the years, and it needs to be linked policy. Will the Amenas well Pok Pok policy yes the the the there

Is what there is policy on flooding within the M P P F is not that can be related I can be related to policy I say it’s not one which I favour that is, what there is policy on flooding within the MPP F is

Not that can be related, I can be related to policy, I just say it’s not one which I favour that. why are what has been agreed by County that is why are what has been agreed by County that is acceptable? local flood of local flood of

We think that that is not we’re not experts on less Members know what we don’t know I can tell us why measures we think that that is not we’re not experts on less Members, know what we don’t know and can tell us why the current measures. you to tell us. yes. members

Members yeah, I I think I really think the flooding one is hopeless I, I think I really think the flooding one is hopeless. the Local Lead Flood Authority is content with the proposals that have been put forward the Local Lead Flood Authority is content with the proposals that have been put forward. why

Why why do we differ? why? we were about to be advised we were about to be advised. Councillors everybody I think we need with Councillors Councillors as we need to be quiet I I’m being advised here but we please we can’t carry on the meeting as part of the individual discussions between ourselves

Yes I can count Kelly yes, I can count Kelly. we go go on we go go on formulated. matters which would appear to be relevant and material considerations matters which would appear to be relevant in policy terms and material considerations on which this.

Good could be defended at appeal and can we will say what good could be defended at appeal, and can we will say what they are thank you Chairman members I think based on the conversation that I have heard from those who this thank you, Chairman, members, I think, based on the

Conversation that I have heard from those who voted against this proposal. out of all the issues that have been listed I think the only thing I can pick up from it that we can put some form dissatisfied with were fully consider the exist and bad

Of defence or defensible reason for will be the impact noise bad neighbour against the future occupiers of the of the new development but you are still not satisfied that that will be satisfactorily addressed so what I’ve picked up is the dust and pollution element of it because in terms

Of the noise we’ve got the measure in place were choosing form of an acoustic fence and I cannot see and members have not told me why that would not be satisfactory to deal with the noise issue however in terms of the noise dust and

Noise dust and pollution, we can defend that on the policy or SSS for subs up two of the cost strategy and subs up two of the cost strategy and the d n 7 of the Dacre and paragraph 1 8 1 8 5 of the NDP

D n 7 of the vessel ran paragraph 1 8 1 8 5, of the NDP, so we can. altogether a reason for refusal on that and get it by the Chairman and altogether a reason for refusal on that and get it or agreed by the Chairman and the Vice Chair thank you, Chairman.

That Celtic College it can it cannot account Councillor Galway. thank you Chairman offer she was recommended refusal I cannot see how they can now defend officers recommended approval I cannot Nazi how they can defend a refusal cannot see how they can now defend officers have

Recommended approval, I cannot Nazi how they can defend a refusal, but it’s it’s in what is what happens all the time is what happens all the time it is it is now that is the the decision of the decision of the of of the

But it’s it’s in what is what happens all the time is, what happens all the time it is, it is now, that is the the decision of the decision of the of of the Council. that is the Council’s position I answered Councillor Ganley there’s no no no no no no

That is the Council’s position, I answered Councillor Ganley, there’s no, no, no, no, no, no, please don’t. no no no no one but once we have to what we have to do is to vote and I think the property proposal would be to say

What the grounds for refusal are as yummy has explained them the that is the amenity of the effect on the amenity of future in the future for the occupiers of of of the houses being entirely dependent on what them, the that is the amenity, the effect on the amenity of

Future in the future for the occupiers of of of the houses being entirely dependent on what happens with Ibstock. that that is a defensible position but for the exact wording to be delegated to miss myself and officers to formulate the precise wording and that would and we would

And we would need a proposer and seconder for wording to be delegated, to miss myself and officers to formulate the precise wording, and that would, and we would, and we would need a proposer and a seconder for that. thank you can’t last Council again the proposes Keogh

Councillor Barnes Mary bonds sorry Chairman just making thank you, Councillor, Harris, Councillor again, the proposes Keogh, Councillor Barnes, Mary bonds, sorry Chairman, just making the point. I think that those of us who were really concerned about the future of livestock I I I would like to see a material

Consideration as a future of stock as being one of reasons for refusal the future of livestock, I I I would like to see a material consideration as a future of stock as being one of the reasons for refusal. apparently that is apparently that is acceptable.

I said that it was acceptable account Councillor Thomas Chair I I’m just wondering about it I don’t know whether it is right or wrong so I would be interested to know and opinion it seems to meet the fact that WCA didn’t come down one way or another gets the Committee the latitude to

Decide its attitude towards the application on the basis of its interpretation of the mental regulations which as I said in my speech suggests that sits with elements should be strongly resisted so I think we’ve got the latitude to actually take the bit they each stock point of view into

Account because the WTA didn’t come down strongly actually take the bit they each stock point of view into account because the WTA didn’t come down strongly, one way or the other yes yes yes I I am being told yesterday that that would be well a reason for refusal the view of the future

On on hips and yes, yes, yes, I, I am being told yesterday that that would be a reason for refusal, the view of the future effect on on on on on Ibstock. WBA didn’t come down when we will WBA didn’t come down when we got the other. and is there a seconder

Is there a seconder for this? and I will count count yes Councillor grey seconds but Councillor Gruen are you sorry just I I think Councillor Drayson raised a point to the fact that this is being considered because of the policy failure to deliver housing doesn’t make that particular site suitable

Drayson raised a point to the fact that this is being certainly we don’t need need to add that in you know now of considered because of a policy failure to deliver housing doesn’t make that particular site suitable? course the site has to be suitable in terms of the of

Policy and that’s what assuming that it goes to an appeal that was an inspector will be looking at so. the planning permission that Ibstock has at present is until 2 thousand and 51 what happens after that of course is a totally different on them the planning permission that Ibstock has at present is

Until 2051, what happens after that, of course, is a totally different ballgame. well well. in the long run. right we have of 0 we have we we we have have a right we have a PR, we have we, we, we have a proposer and we have a seconder.

Councillor Gray proper yes PR proposed by Councillor the secondary by Councillor Gray, proper, yes, PR proposed by Councillor gain, the secondary by Councillor Gray. we have that proposition that will on the the the latter being refused on on those grounds the final wording decided between myself and

We have that proposition that will, on the the the latter, being refused on, on those grounds, the final wording to be decided between myself and officers. we need to just to we need to just to. and and and again. to repeat what I said several times is the affect the

Reasons being the effect on the future amenity of the residents of the site dependent dependent on what happens with Ibstock and if and the effect on Ibstock residents of the site dependent dependent on what happens with Ibstock, and if and the effect on Ibstock that that might have. so those

So those in favour yeah well we have refused were voting on on on the reason on the on the on the other issue sorry cynicism refusal well, we have refused were voting on on on the reason on the on the HRA on, on the other issue, sorry, cynicism, refusal.

I’m sorry I’ll are we owing to recently in those cases where I’m sorry, I’ll I’ll we are willing to receive those cases with? but we can’t revise revisit the but we can’t revive revisit the decision they come now. if they didn’t refuse itself so the motion failed but you

Still need a motion to be if they didn’t refuse itself, so the motion failed, but you still need a motion. we it’s an automatically yeah so you need to vote on Bakestone exactly we it’s an automatically yeah, so you need to vote on a stone exactly.

When we need we need to vote on the refusal when we need, we need to vote on the refusal. I’m told I I know please I we need our lawyer to advise us sorry previously there was motion which was proposed and seconded which failed so then you need and whether another motion to

The motion is to refuse it which has been proposed and seconded and you’re voting on that motion which is to refuse so that’s what you need to vote on the motion to refuse the application for the reasons that the Chair has given and to be the wording to be delegated to to officers

Yes or your voting on refusal motion to refuse the application for the reasons that the Chair has given and to be the wording to be delegated to to officers yeah, so your voting on refusal for but now he’s back with. yeah so you need a new proposer and seconder and refusal so

Accounts Councillor grey would now propose who who would set set who would second yeah, so you need a new proposer and seconder and refusal so accounts Councillor Gray would now propose who who would set, who would second Councillor Groner. but my understanding and I will be put right shotguns raves

My understanding is that the the the the proposal now is to reject the application on the grounds that we’ve stated and the outcome could be different from the previous is to reject the application on the grounds that we’ve stated, and the outcome could be different from the previous vote. yes yes.

Think we need is at 3 we need or for think we need is at 3.00 we need or for. went with when we’re looking if we are to have a recorded vote we need for members that the traditional way of full Council would be for all

Members who want a recorded vote that’s indeed it going round the table individually one at a time and recording who voted and how they voted if if 4 Members Stand up if they want that, I’m afraid of. thank you but yes so we we do not have we do not have a

Recorded vote we do not have a recorded vote now but we’re voting to refuse this application thank you yes, so we we do not have we do not have a recorded vote, we do not have a recorded vote now, but we’re voting to refuse this application,

And as I’ve said it can go the other way if if any councillor has changed their mind we could get a different outcome this this this this application can still be allowed so it’s not just a question of TYC ticking that matters are delegated to me and Kemi you are actually

Taking the decision whether whether or not to allow this application heavy having having considered the reasons there might be taking the decision whether whether or not to allow this application heavy having having considered the reasons that might there might be for refusal, just to clarify I think people are getting confused so the

Vote now is an proposed by Councillor Gray seconded by Councillor Groner to refuse the application for the reasons that the Chair linked in terms of the impact on amenity for future occupiers so you’re voting and the business so that’s what you’re voting on now so voting on

That the Chair linked in terms of the impact on amenity for future occupiers, so you’re voting and the business so that’s what you’re voting on now so voting on refusal. those who vote for are voting for refusal so those for please raise those who vote for all voting for refusal, so those four

Please raise your hands. 6 6 those that Labour 6 those those that Labour 6 those against. and any abstentions. Councillor Teresa Councillor Teresa, yes so that that is 6 for yes, so that that is 6 for refusal. 5 against refusal and one off and one abstention

Against refusal and one off and one abstention, Councillor and I I note that councillor Jason and left the room and was unable to Councillor and I I note that councillor Jason and left the room and was unable to vote. so. the motion the the application is refused

And we resume the meeting of robbers Planning Committee the the next item on the agenda is item number 8 are 2023. 2 1 1 0 p this is colleague corner landed Collington Lane East Bexhill and the report will be presented by Mr. Blatter new who will appear online

2 1 1 0 p this is colleague, corner Land at Cuddington, Lane East Bexhill, and the report will be presented by Mr. Blatter knew who will appear online. this Latino. thank you thank you. Gaffney Chair members this application brought to the Committee today is for the erection of one dwelling with

Associated works the obligation itself is brought to Committee as the applicant is the council as you can see from the Site location Plan and from the next slide which I believe should be a narrow plan to say comprises amenity land which is born by numbers 111 and 113 Little Common

I believe should be a narrow plan to say comprises amenity land which is born by numbers 111 and 113 Little Common Road to the north. them each a Richmond Care Home to the east one to corner on the them each a Richmond Care Home to the east, 1 to 7 Kohli,

Corner on the clinches to the south. and the rear gardens of Weatherfield on 115 Little Common Road to the west decide itself is located within the development boundary for Bexhill and the rear gardens of Weatherfield on 115 Little Common Road to the west, the site itself is located within the

Development boundary for Bexhill so as mentioned this application is for the erection of a dwelling specifically it will be for affordable rent tenure for a specific tenant with acute needs who is currently living elsewhere in the district and unsuitable accommodation the building itself is specifically designed

And is described as is still one dwelling which will be a two-storey dwelling manufactured in two sections using standardised off-site manufacturing and production methods the building will consist of a ground floor living such kitchen and showroom but the first floor bedroom and the

Remaining land will be used for garden space so as you can see if you go back a slide map on the living such kitchen and showroom, but the first floor bedroom and the remaining land will be used for garden space. So, as you can see, if you go back a sideman on the

Art photography art photography. the proposed site is regarded as backland development as proposed dwellings so as you can see from the red line that’s the the outline of the site but they produce dwelling would be located deep behind the cleanses which is a two-storey residential property fronting Callington Lane

East that’s just to the south and as such would not have is a two-storey residential property fronting Callington Lane East that’s just to the south and as such would not have any prominent impact. on the streetscene it is considered if you go into the next slide scale and

Bulk of the proposed dwelling it is not considered to be excessive so that’s the outline of the dwelling bar I believe it’s number 1 in regards to the whole plot so it would not represent it would represent a modest form of backland development that would sit well with all its plot

And is not considered to result in a cramped form of development given the generous size of the existing site the proposed design of the new dwelling which should be seen on the next couple slides would be of a rather unique architectural style however the materials themselves be of a Trombley

Seen on the next couple of slides, would be of a rather unique architectural style. However, the materials themselves would be of a family tradition, nature, and in addition the locality is currently made up of a range of design and scale of residential dwellings in the

Form of both houses and flats and so given its positioned behind development and the proposed to down it is not considered to result in any harm to the character and appearance of the locality records to neighbouring amenity the proposed dwelling obviously I just seen before it would

Be set between two lines of residential development it would be located to the rear of the clinches under the south of 111 Orchard Cottage to the north as you can see from the plans there the proposed dwelling would have a window at first floor on the south elevation and we’re

Fellow vision both of which serve a bedroom and would face towards these neighbouring properties however considered 24 metres from the rear elevation of 111 Orchard Cottage is considered that sufficient distance exists between the existing dwellings and the proposed new dwellings and avoiding any potential outlook issues and pressure from the

Privacy with regard to skiing bulk the proposed dwelling would be if modest skill as you can see and would be looking at it in such a way with good separation distance distance as to not result in overshadowing or harm to neighbouring melodies, it should be noted that the development would meet and

Exceed the minimum garden length as set out in Policy D HD 9 of the Dacre however we also have to have regard to policy t h t free of the data which requires new housing developments to achieve the government’s nicely described space standards which set out minimum standards for RIM

Ceilings ceiling heights and built into developments, to achieve the government’s nicely described ceilings, ceiling heights and built in storage provision. in regard to this application for one bedroom two-storey dwelling with the space to stick to people and internal space of 50 years square metres is required with 1 point 5

Metre square metres of internal storage the dwelling itself would have sufficient built-in storage but would fail to meet the internal space requirements as refused dwelling would only have an internal area of 39 square metres however it is noted that the dwelling will be for affordable rent tenure for specific tenant with acute needs

Who is currently living elsewhere in the district and unsuitable accommodation it is believed that the proposed dwelling will only be occupied by one person and given the high sustainability credentials of the building the proposed dwelling is expected to significantly enhance the tenants quality of life as such on balance given the

Bespoke need for this unit and the sustainability benefits of the building it is considered acceptable in this circumstance and will provide a high quality living environment for the future tenant in regards to highway matters the existing access to the state via colleague

Corner to the south would not be altered and space would be provided for the parking of one vehicle which means which meets the requirement for one corner to the south would not be altered and space would be provided for the parking of one vehicle, which means which

Meets the requirement for 1 bed dwelling. so to conclude the development is considered to be acceptable in terms of scale and design and is in keeping with the character of the locality and would not have any negative impact on neighbouring properties the new dwelling would significantly enhance the quality of life for the

Future occupant and provide adequate on-site parking therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions I believe that last slide parking, therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. I believe the last slide, yes, you chew what that’s what the example of the proposed on them will

Look like when it is finished thank what that’s what the example of the proposed dwelling will look like when it is finished, thank you thank you very much we we have no public speakers on this so if there are any questions for Mr.

Thank you very much, we, we have no public speakers on this, so if there are any questions for Mr. Blatter no yes concentration I’ve just got a general concern it comes at question put in too much emphasis on the person it’s being built for because eventually it will become a

Property that has cut corners comes a question put in too much emphasis on the person it’s being built for, because eventually it will become a property that has cut corners on size. to suit one person but going forward will be a house that surely compromise on

To suit one person, but going forward will be a house that surely compromise on signs. I just think about the future rather than occupant I just think about the future rather than the immediate occupant which I can see. it obviously suits it obviously suits. Mr. Blatter Mr. Blatter, though.

Yeah so obviously has no control on who is going to occupy the dwelling afterwards however it with any planning obligation we have to take every application on what yeah so obviously has no control on who is going to occupy the dwelling afterwards, however it with any planning

Obligation we have to take every application on what’s been. put forward on Enescu’s taken the merit of the scheme and taken through the tenants gonna before then it was considered on behalf of acceptable in this instance I’m not sure if Kathryn has any thing to add as its thousand he

Moved submitted the application on deal with sure if Kathryn has any thing to add as its thousand he moved submitted the application on how they’re gonna deal with development afterwards. but I believe the tenant will live in it for quite a long period of time but yeah thank you say there’s no control

For who who live in one of but I believe the tenant will live in it for quite a long period of time but yeah, thank you said there’s no control yeah but to be no really called the development so yeah I for you know who who live in it afterwards.

Yeah yeah yeah so actually I should have noticed that we can’t go into the details around the tenant that’s been been identified for this, but the conditions have or are particularly unique, however. if the build of this property we I mean she’s young as well

So the period of time that she will be there is hopefully very long time but then we would find someone suitable for that accommodation going forward he may have similar needs so the period of time that she will be, there is hopefully very long time, but then we would find someone suitable for

That accommodation going forward, he may have similar needs. thank you Chair thank you Councillor Bayliss thank you Chair, thank you, Councillor Bayliss, first-hand Councillor cruiser. yes thank you and I’d yes, thank you and I’d like to. Booth Booth, acceptance or and I’d I I’d like to say actually how exciting this is as

A development shows that we are meeting residents’ needs those o on our housing waiting list so I think that’s good I’m also excited because a development shows that we are meeting residents’ needs, those o on our housing waiting list, so I think that’s good, I’m also excited, because it is.

Or a different type of construction I think one that councillors of urged us to look at it in the past and you know could we could be we could are a different type of construction. I think one that councillors of urged us to look at it in the past and you

Know, could we could be we could be looking you know evaluate evaluating this particular project and seeing if there are further opportunities to use of design going you know evaluate evaluating this particular project and seeing if there are further opportunities to use this type of design going forward, so with that.

You know very positive recommendation I’ve proposed approval and I I don’t care much although I Councillor C reasonable you know very positive recommendation, I’ve proposed approval and I I don’t care much, although I, I think, Councillor reasonable seconded. OK sorry again I support that I think it’s amazing and well

Done everybody and if we can get that type of thing into the system all to the good some excellent thank OK, sorry, again, I support that, I think it’s amazing and well done everybody, and if we can get that type of thing into the system all to the good, some excellent, thank you.

Thank you very much and I I’m I’m I’m told that Councillor Gordon dot dot his second in the before before Council agrees so but never mind De further thank you very much and I I’m I’m I’m told that councillor Gordon got his second in the before before Council agrees,

So, but never mind do do we need to discuss this further. that’s just just wanted to that’s just just wanted to confirm this is. this is in Council ownership and remains in this is in Council ownership and remains in Council ownership. yes. well while they the applicant but although the owner

Continue to own it well, while they the applicant, but although the owner and continue to own it. this list of Lough Minister Vladimir there wasn’t a clear I don’t like that and I don’t know it is material to our discussions but but is this Council owned land against

Council it’s Council owned land and it will be a council owned property to our discussions, but but is this Council owned land against Council, it’s Council owned land and it will be a Council owned property. there will I think there will, I think.

I think we can we move to a vote on this yes all those all those in favour of approval I think we can we move to a vote on this, yes, all those all those in favour of approval. that that is unanimous thank you that that is unanimous, thank you. the next item

The next item. the next item is is the next item is is records. the number is are 20 23 1 4 9 7 p this is regards Land adjacent to regards Lane Watlington and yes Worsley is presented the number is are 2023 1 4 9 7 p this is regards land

Adjacent to regards Lane Watlington, and yes, Minister Worsley is presented, thank you Chair. this application is for a site in Watlington it occupies countryside location in the area of outstanding natural this application is for a site in Watlington, it occupies countryside location in the Area of outstanding natural beauty.

The site at the moment houses a the site at the moment houses a single dwelling. it’s on the corner of Wellington Road and records lying it’s on the corner of Wellington, Road and records line. to the south-east of that corner storey to the south-east of that corner, there’s a detached two storey,

Dwelling close to dwelling close to the corner. what is proposed two two storey houses to the eastern side of the existing dwelling the houses would switch are relatively low key single storey structures timber clad and the rear both toes which I can show you.

And Street urine images but you’ve got the you got the outline of some of the buildings here and St Urban images, but you’ve got the you got the outline of some of the buildings here. yeah the area of topography shows that the actual corner is

Quite open and yeah from the roads you got direct views into the site you can see the house you can see the outbuildings and behind or Mitchell trees as you can see as are on the opposite side of the into the site, you can see the house, you can see the

Outbuildings and behind or Mitchell trees, as you can see as Hall on the opposite side of the road. so yeah top image is just inside we because Lane but you can see how open it is you can see the outbuildings to the side that is where you would have the proposed dwellings

So yeah top image is just inside we call slang, but you can see how open it is, you can see the outbuildings to the side, that is where you would have the proposed dwellings. and this is and this is. what was proposed so two-storey houses what was proposed, so two-storey houses?

I think you describe theses linked detached sign up your traditional semi detached property but I have got a I think you describe these as linked, detached Simon, your traditional semi detached property, but I have got a link between yeah brickwork elevations yeah, brickwork, elevations pitched roofs.

As set out in the report this is a countryside like location where Core Strategy Policy are a 3 applies enlists the exceptional circumstances in which you should be allowing dwellings in the countryside so for rural workers has a one for one replacement if it has a similar landscape

Impact or where there is an identified need for affordable workers has a one for one replacement if it has a similar landscape impact or where there is an identified need for affordable housing. those are the exceptions MPs paragraph I see also lists some exceptions and to do with rural workers and the like

This proposal does not meet any of the exceptions so Sergei saw spatial strategy and set out in the Local Plan some exceptions and to do with rural workers and the like, this proposal does not meet any of the exceptions, so Sergei saw spatial strategy and set out in the Local Plan.

As set out in the report them reasons for refusal you your significant distance from any settlement as set out in the report them reasons for refusal, you, you significant distance from any settlement here. some to 2 kilometers from battle woman half km from pavements no public transport

Some to 2 kilometers from battle woman half km from Sedlescombe, those of the main settlements nearby, no pavements, no public transport. so so yet. occupiers would be reliance on private occupiers would be reliance on private vehicles. as per the reasons for refusal the feeling is that this

Extension of residential development into the countryside would be urbanization harmful to the landscape and scenic beauty of the A&E on top of that it’s the unsustainable would be urbanization harmful to the landscape and scenic beauty of the A&E, on top of that it’s the unsustainable location. hence the recommendation for refusal

Hence the recommendation for refusal. thank you. thank you thank you and we have some finished the agent if you come forward I think you’ve been listening in before so you know the rules about the microphone on five minutes if you come forward, I think you’ve been listening in

Before, so you know the rules about the microphone on five minutes. good afternoon Chair Councillors thank you for the opportunity to speak in support of this application the proposal before you seeks to improve the appearance of the site through the removal of the existing dilapidated buildings and the provision of additional residential units

Would be well positioned within this site the scheme we consider is of a high quality and the sites would be well positioned within this site, the scheme we consider is of a high quality and responds positively to the site’s characteristics. as shown on the submitted plans the dwellings of for a

Settled on a matching building line with the existing similar footprint to the existing to reduce the bulk properties include a central single storey link between the property maintaining a setback and set down from the gable ends and include a cat slide highway and utilising traditional materials the proposal we

Consider would appear in keeping with the host dwelling in TAN promoting local distinctiveness the officers’ report considers that as the scheme is outside of the development development boundary, the rural character in A and B would be harmed. it is of course accepted that any increase in built form

Within a site can change the impact however due to the info nature of the site and the welcome to context which is screened from north south and east it would be very limited info nature of the site and the welcome to context which is

Screened from north south and east, it is considered this would be very limited. from previous committed to discussions members will be aware that the intrinsic landscape value of the A&E should be protected and policies restricting development seeks to ensure this however when considering the surrounding landscape it is apparent that the principal character

Comprises areas of woodland and fields with mature planting along boundaries but which is intermingled with residential development of varying styles and sizes arguably this defines the inherent character of the area the site itself is also not physically isolated and it has previously developed at best in its current form maintaining a neutral

Effect on the surrounding highway landscape set within an established cluster of development on records Lane and close to other ribbon development which extends a whale on Wellington Road NBA 21 it’s not viewed in the context of open countryside the proposal would introduce two new

Elements have built form which would adhere to this general pattern of development in the locality intrinsic landscape value of the site and surrounding landscape would not be harmed members will also note that the tree launch of the road frontage would be retained in addition the scheme is

Supported by an arboricultural report which confirms that only a modest amounts of the points on the proposed site would be removed with the remaining former points and retained notwithstanding further landscaping enhancements confirming increased boundary planting and improvements could be provided notwithstanding, further landscaping enhancements, confirming increased boundary planting and ecological

Improvements could be provided it should also be noted and that the provision of fences external lighting and domestic paraphernalia can be controlled through planning conditions with regards to the site’s locational sustainability Members should note that the local bus route which now includes a seven day a week service passes the site regularly

Site’s locational sustainability, Members should note that the local bus route, which now includes a 7 day a week service, passes the site regularly throughout the day. and there is a request Busto immediately outside of the and there is a request Busto immediately outside of the property,

And this stop is used daily by a number and this stock is used daily by a number of local people. in addition businesses and facilities in Whatlington are comfortable walking or cycling in addition, businesses and facilities in Whatlington are comfortable walking or cycling distance from the site

Paragraph 1 I 5 of the mppa recognises that the concept of sustainability differs between rural and urban areas against this context the site can be seen as inappropriate development occupying an infill location within walking distance of a public house at bus stops in school buses

It’s also worthy to note the officers’ report does not dispute the stated appeals allowed in similar or less accessible locations it’s also worthy to note the officers’ report does not dispute the stated appeals allowed in similar or less accessible locations and which, it was the purpose of including them to show the council

That inspectors had allowed residential schemes in nearby it was the purpose of including them to show the Council that the inspectors had allowed residential schemes in nearby locations. against an initial against an initial refusal in addition the Council was longstanding housing land supply shortage and the MP PS emphasis on housing and

Boosting the Hatton supply of housing places a positive context for the proposal and with a lack of a wider harm has identified the scheme can be considered positively on account of the many benefits it will deliver I’d also like to clarify the applicant’s intention for the proposal which

Is to provide for intergenerational family living at the site with the occupiers of the dwellings being the applicants daughters and families to help with elderly care to allow the applicants to live in their house with the support of their family the applicants family themselves

Have lived in Watlington are at record since 19 17 the applicants are third generation and they have to preserve this privilege for future generations to their family 3 of the dwellings occupants are key workers who are on preserve this privilege for future generations to their

Family. Three of the dwellings occupants are key workers who rural exceptions and children attend local schools at its core the proposal would bring in young working families contributing to the local economy and local services finally the proposal has received no objection from Highways County ecologist or neighbouring properties and the Parish Council have

Supported the proposal thank you received no objection from highways County ecologist or neighbouring properties, and the Parish Council have supported the proposal, thank you. it very much a question from Councillor Ganley thank you Chairman thank you for your presentation given for the call-in where that these two dwellings or to

For family use almost three bedroom houses of a family use but also that it will benefit the owned by removing on-site the buildings but if that is the objective that can be be achieved by simply demolishing the outbuildings without necessarily of building new houses, would you agree?

While the buildings themselves are currently there and an imperial use for the use of the property and I think it’s while the buildings themselves are currently there and an imperial use for the use of the property, and I think it’s. it’s the case that as an area of previously developed land

The decision was taken that it’s it’s an ideal location or an ideal site so then propose additional the decision was taken, that is it, it’s an ideal location or an ideal site, so then propose additional residential development on it. essentially yet but would you agree that the the objective

Of stated by the person calling in the application that that objective could be achieved simply by demolishing the to unsightly outbuildings without the requirement to build two houses you with the removal of any building dilapidated or not would have a different impact of the silence the

Than is currently that obviously so I think we are I think it will pass on that one building dilapidated or not would have a different impact to the silence the than is currently that obviously so I think we are, I think it will pass on that one, thank you. yes yes. any others.

Any other questions or how frequent as the bus any other questions or how frequent as the bus service. right if no other questions then thank you very much right if no other questions then thank you very much, thank you. and we have Councillor fields the ward councillor thank you

Very much I’d like to start by sending a couple of people festival Councillor Ganley pointing out my this call-in you very much, I’d like to start by sending a couple of people Festival Councillor Ganley, pointing out my poor drafting of this call-in and.

And secondly the agent and you will sank the agent or circus has considerably cut short what I by saying and secondly, the agent, and you will sank to the agent or circus, has considerably cut short what I had planned to say by saying it himself.

On the bus I believe is the aptly renamed service 10 it does On the bus, I believe is the aptly renamed service 10 66 and it does serve the village as you have heard this application is on a site which was a

Former nursery and this is very much a tidying up of the site and an extension of the dwellings in the village of Waplington this is as you’ve had a family who lived there for a long time very much part of the village and they will really enhanced community facilities for the village

Because of course they will use the village and its they will really enhanced community facilities for the village because of course they will use the village and its facilities. it isn’t an isolated building in the countryside because it’s in the curtilage of an existing building and the

Nature of the whole village actually is very scattered in keeping with the medieval landscape we know so well in the Owen be villages aren’t nuclear thus spread around all over the place and this is indeed the case now most if not all houses in the village are at some distance from facilities

And I note the agent mentioned the pub I would have added the church and the Village Hall and which also close to this property which is where most village activities take place on this is a very active and community minded village the report confirms that the buildings provide good internal space and good

Activities take place, and this is a very active and community minded village. The report confirms that the buildings provide good internal space and good living space as we’ve had very few or no objections and the county ecologist approves of course with conditions for biodiversity I think as the agents said any other small

Problems can be sorted out by conditions I would very much hope you will support this application and help this village just to thrive and help this living hope you will support this application and help this village just to thrive and help this family to continue living.

I hesitate to say old age interesting later years of their family who existing I hesitate to say old age, interesting later years, of the family who existing leaflet, thank you. thank you thank you very much thank you, thank you very much. now although we normally deal with questions of the officer

But I I I think it will be a fairly general discussion now, although we normally deal with questions of the officer, but I I, I think it will be a fairly general Mr. Swann. discussion at the same time. so would would Eddy Councillor like to ask rate raise a point

So would would any Council would like to ask a question or raise a point on this? reinforce the the point about development in the countryside perhaps yes yeah and probably to deal with the lack of a five-year housing land supply as well Mr. call for the Bexhill application Turkey Road application did

Lack of a five-year housing land supply as well, Mr. Call for the Bexhill application Turkey Road application did explain. paragraph 11 day and why you haven’t got a housing land paragraph 11 day, and why you haven’t got a five year housing, land supply. the the presumption in favour of sustainable development

Does apply annual to give great weight to the provision of new housing an and that is the case here however paragraph 11 D 1 says where there are specific does apply annual to give great weight to the provision of new housing an, and that is the case here, however,

Paragraph 11 D 1 says where there are specific policies. in the mppa National Planning Policy Framework that indicate the development in the mppa National Planning Policy Framework that indicate the development should not be. allowed and you should refuse permission now one of those one of those matters is home to the A&E and

Allowed, and you should refuse permission now, one of those one of those matters is home to the A&E and he offers a he offers are recommending that. that that that gives you a reason to refuse permission in yeah in terms of the countryside

That that that gives you a reason to refuse permission in yeah in terms of the countryside. you’ve got development boundaries within the Local Plan an in the sorts of his policies that say that’s where development should be focused countryside is protected for its own sake this site is very rural

In the sorts of policies that say that’s where development should be focused, countryside is protected for its own sake, this site is very rural location, lie your a long way from any built-up area Wallington development a long way from any built-up area Wallington hasn’t got a development boundary.

I think you saw from the owner of photography is surrounded by woodland the war yet raw scattered dwellings here in there but on the whole if you Les it’s just open fields woodland is very rural so we have pulled policies in the Local Plan and the National low level that protect the

Intrinsic qualities of the fields, woodland is very rural, so we have pulled policies in the Local Plan and the National low level that protect the intrinsic qualities of the countryside hopefully that hopefully, that explains. and can I just support slightly what matters just explain

Their so you do have the our policies that seeks to protect countryside and the MVP I have to say that we shouldn’t protects our countryside just for the sake of protecting contrary cycle we need to consider matters that comes before us in terms of this proposal while were arguing is the isolated

Contrary cycle, we need to consider matters that comes before us in terms of this proposal, what we’re arguing is the isolated location of this property. it does not make for sustainable development it would require the future occupants heavy reliance it does not make for sustainable development, it would

Require the future occupants heavy reliance on, private vehicle which then impacts on the environment so you’ve got in terms of sustainable development you’ve got the three key test which is private vehicle, which then impacts on the environment, so you’ve got in terms of sustainable development, you’ve got

The three key test, which is the the for the social element the Environment element and the pro, the social element, the environment element and also the yeah I’ve social environment and and economic benefits so we’ve got the economic benefits of the proposal being when during construction there will be

Yeah, I’ve social environment and and economic benefits, so we’ve got the economic benefit of the proposal being when, during construction, there will be local. contribution towards work money and the future residents will be able to contribute to the local economy and we’ve got the social benefit which is the provision of housing or

Family that will enable them to stay in the area or you’ve got the beat which is the key 1 which is the environmental factor which is what we are arguing in terms of the isolated location of this property there is no environmental factor which is what we are arguing in terms

Of the isolated location of this property there is no access to public. transportation as stated in the as stated by the report there is no easy path for pedestrian to walk around or to too easy access to services or local facilities which means

That they would need to travel with their cars to go to to to this shops and due to investment into the the refusal the isolated location of the site and and he’d been in a rural location, thank you, Chairman. thank you I I do just want to clarify something about the

With the tilted balance paragraph paragraph 11 of the National Planning Policy Framework document and we were talking about how our plans being out of date due to the back of the housing supply National Planning Policy Framework document, and we were talking about how our own plans being out of date due to

The back of the housing supply but, so where there are no relevant development plan policies all the policies which are most important for determining the application are out of date and granting permission and this policies, all the policies which are most important for determining the application are out of date and they are

Out of date, granting permission and this. the application of policies in this Framework that protect areas or assets of particular importance provides a clear reason for refusing the development proposed and then you get footnote 7 and the policies of those in the framework

Relating to and there’s a list relating to the Area of outstanding natural beauty so yes you know the PRU the protection of the Area of outstanding natural beauty remains there despite our Plan B being out of date I think that yeah yeah I think thank you so so there is a

Significant difference between this application and the Turkey Road while in which we which we’ve just just dealt significant difference between this application and the Turkey Road, while in which we which we’ve just just dealt with yet Councillor Ganley thank you on in addition to the development managers list of

Councillor Ganley, thank you on. In addition to the Development managers list of objections, I like to add that the due to the overall height and I’m quoting the overall height large footprint volume and overall scale and mass it would represent bulky visually intrusive and overbearing dwellings that would appear congress in their

Overall scale and mass, it would represent bulky visually intrusive and overbearing dwellings that would appear in congress in that location. it would materially harm bring harm to the character and appearance of the locality including the surrounding landscape setting and scenic beauty of the High Weald A and

B the proposal would extend built residential for form into the A and B leaving unacceptable character impacts it would be out of keeping within the locality resulting in a harsh agonising effect upon the existing countryside character of the area through the architectural form materials harsh agonising effect upon the existing countryside

Character of the area through the architectural form materials and its siting. the proposal would give rise to irreversible harmful impact upon the High Weald the proposal would give rise to irreversible harmful impact upon the High Weald A and B I just wanted to add that to your wishes objections

I just wanted to add that, to your wish, with objections and or or and indeed I I would say that it is expressing a personal view I I find the designed curious in in the extremely well in in in any location

Or or, and indeed I, I would say that it is expressing a personal view, I, I find the design curious in in the St Mina in in, in any location, curious. well I I I I don’t add a identity I don’t say being compatible with housing in the traditional housing in the

Borough NB I don’t know and then no nobody has mentioned that the all NB design guide but I can’t I the A&E I don’t know and don’t know nobody has mentioned that the all NB Design Guide, but I can’t I can’t imagine that, that it would comply that it would comply.

I think Councillor Drayson was first thank you well all question of design is subjective my notes here are big an ugly I haven’t got many problems with the sustainability because that is living in the countryside that’s part and parcel of it but those buildings you

Because that is living in the countryside, that’s part and parcel of it, but those buildings in that location I thank you. thank you Chair so living in a rural community obviously one has to have a private motorcar otherwise you wouldn’t get around very easily at all I can assure you are living

In a rural community and I believe there was a bus once and are get around very easily at all, I can assure you, are living in a rural community and I believe there was a bus service once and are, so there was a bus service I believe 10 66

So there was a bus service, I believe, 10 66. Councillor Chris such as you must wish to speak Councillor Chris such as you must wish to speak. I’d like to propose that we accept the for that. I’d like to propose that we accept the recommendations from the officers to refuse for all the

Reasons that are on this Councillor John Lee think got in first Councillor John Lee, I think, got in first. and justice will make my own own observation I think we have to be very careful about additional housing in in the A and B con country

And justice will make my own own observation, I think we have to be very careful about additional housing in in the A and B con country to our policies. because of you know protecting the integrity of the A and B itself because if you have what you can say one house here

One house there therefore a family therefore a friend they look all right where we all live in the country and we will have to suffer using cars but what we will end up with if we go piecemeal in this sort of way we will end up with as

Ribbon development all the way along every every Lane anything are NB and we we will have lost the landscape value which we are trying to protect I I think we have read very very careful about just allowing one hearing won them because they seem a good idea at the time

Think we have to be very, very careful about just allowing one here and one there, because they seem a good idea at the time. It’s the road to rack and ruin in my opinion count rack and ruin, in my opinion, count Councillor Barnes.

Thank you Chairman you know he has the word ancillary or in relation to the need for those two houses to be thank you Chairman, you know he has the word ancillary, or in relation to the need for those two houses to be built. I think the time inter generational living with

So it’s for I think the term inter generational living with mentioned, so it’s for. year for the House the description of development is to dwelling so he’s not ancillary Annex or anything like that the the intention is for the houses to be occupied by

Family members and that they would be as daughters unfold that, the the intention is for the houses to be occupied by family members and that they would be as daughters unfold so. they is to new dwellings before you vested development we cannot see cure that it just remains in families not

Pay is to new dwellings before you vested development, we cannot see cure that it just remains in families not possible to do that. can I just add yeah I do feel terrific sympathy for those members of the families who are going to have to live

Elsewhere when as we had I think that the life of that family goes back in that area that very many generations and so I’m inclined to look sympathetically on the fact that they need the housing to with and so I’m inclined to look sympathetically on the fact

That they need the housing to a certain extent I go along with the design criticism but yeah I do think occasionally we need to look somewhat sympathetically at the need or family accommodation in in an area where they were always lived but the village for healthy in the abstract perhaps but

It’s not a material consideration the need of the individual the there are very rare exceptions to that gypsies and travellers as one I think may be severely disabled people might be another but they’re they’re very rare rare exceptions to the general general rule that you know the personal circumstances and family connections of

Of the applicants or their families and not not a material consideration so we we we can’t really can’t account on this occasion applicants or their families are not not a material consideration, so we we, we can’t really can’t take that into account. On this occasion, I’m afraid Councillor Stanger yeah two quick points

Surveillance despite Councillor Stanger yeah, two quick points, obviously surveillance, despite sustainable sorry. the bus I don’t know how regularly that wouldn’t class as any sustainability factors towards the merit obviously I know you enter higher balance and it was just looking about health Wofford it comes and obviously we got ward members

From the from the area would that would have a factor all towards the about how often it comes, and obviously we got ward members from the from the area would that would have a factor at all towards the sustainability I think if you’re looking at a location like this I would

Describe it as being nicer Nathan is one house there at the moment then you’re adding to morning I as a human game will not abandon my car and and wait for one hour for yes the moment, then you’re adding to mornin I, as a human game

Will not abandon my car and and wait for one hour for yes, sorry, the latest village human behavior I doubt very think will the failures were human behavior, I doubt very much that instead they will wait for that. public. saying that yes it can contribute towards the critic well

Towards the positives to the application however you have to also consider the location of the postal to the House The walking at night no towards the positives to the application, however, you have to also consider the location of the bus stop to the House, the walk in at night, no light.

It’s a and and no upon no public or pedestrians will come to the countryside it is those things that we have to thereof expecting people to leave their cars and and and factor in in terms of use alternative modes of transportation, thank you, thank you, Chairman.

Councillor Groner thank you if I’m a little bit confused if it’s within walking distance to a pub or Village Hall in a church how is it isolated I think and the second point would be it’s hard to tell just by looking at drawings the

Impact on the area without seeing the actual area it sits in the context of it so and how many other houses are there in the area because it seems to be a scattered village with other places so if there’s a number of

Are there in the area because it seems to be a scattered village with other places, so if there’s a number of other dwellings then this isn’t and isolated dwelling sorry there was three points I guess I’ll say that we this isn’t an isolated dwelling sorry, there was three

Points, I guess I’ll say that we’ve we’ve got the aerial photograph up aerial photograph up, which shows it it it it is it is genuinely isolated and which shows it it it it, it is, it is genuinely isolated. yeah I was just going to say in terms of what Councillor

Growing I was saying in terms of a date in church and a pop nearby my experience of if I have to reflect on appeal decisions inspectors will concede out where is the nearest Service working you buy groceries working you get if you if

You forget to buy groceries in your big shop where can you easily get to to get a a an immediate supply those are the things I mean I can recall situation where you have areas completely isolated where there’s been maybe you easily get to to get a an immediate supply? Those are

The things I mean, I can recall a situation where you have areas completely isolated where there’s been maybe Snow adds the achieve you’ve had to really bad snow they can’t get to any way to get supplies or anything so if you’re looking at Dan looking at this site I think these

Feats the Bill in terms of being isolated in the countryside we do have policy to protect and to prohibit this type of development and we have been we have one loads of appeals on isolated development in countryside similar to this and if you want to disregard those decisions coming

Back and consider this then Members should be prepared for opening the floodgates of of if you want to disregard those decisions coming back and consider this, then Members should be prepared for opening a flood gate of of this and I know that the the National Planning Policy Framework itself militates against isolated

And I’d add that the the National Planning Policy Framework itself militates against isolated houses in the countryside. so you know whatever you may think of our own policies so you know, whatever you may think of our own policies you know the na pop n national policy it is is against

Isolated houses in the countryside circumstances you know the national pot N national policy it is is against isolated houses in the countryside except in very limited circumstances, yeah sorry can I so can I clarify then that setting a precedent is that a material consideration into account

Yeah, sorry, can I so can I clarify then, that setting a precedent is that a material consideration for us to take into account? I I expect I’ll be O’Connor acknowledging ashamed I think that the basic rule is it it’s not a question of precedent is a question of consistency the that teach each

Application is this decided on its own merit but we are expected to be consistent and and yes it gets it gets very difficult to re she will now won it gets very difficult to refuse another one why would you you were meant to be

Deciding ESCC according to a policy which gives some sort of degree of certainty about what can be built and where and and if if you just say every some sort of degree of certainty about what can be built and where and and if, if you just say, every everything’s one-off that that’s

That that’s difficult, so yes so yes I’d I’d I don’t think there’s a sorry I have tried researching that online I must admit I don’t have a straight answer I think there is sorry Councillor Ganley I think there is a fine line between being consistent and

Also set a precedent for this type of development straight answer, I think there is sorry, Councillor Ganley, I think there is a fine line between being consistent and also set a precedent for this type of development because, applicants agents will be looking at this closely and and

And join it back to us when they want something similar and future so in as much as yes you might think you’re not it would be difficult for members to setting a precedent but if you’re thinking in terms of consistency then if you’re allowing this to be consistent

With the next one you have to consider allow we need as well, yes. Councillor Gombi actually if you look at Councillor Gombi, actually, if you look like. planning Inspectorate planning Inspectorate decisions. very relevant we will accept the idea of setting up very relevant, we will accept the idea of setting a precedent

Inevitably will find all the the application that you are referring to differs because of this that and the next thing it’s if as far as I am concerned the referring to differs because of this, that and the next thing it’s if, as far as I’m concerned, the ones that I have seen.

The inspectorate rejects the idea the inspectorate rejects the idea, for what is one for what it’s worth. but well Councillor Christopherson then then we’ll see well, Councillor Christophers, and then then we’ll see adulthood. should shook should we then proceed to a vote yes we vote or yes OK right those in

Recommendation for refusal should shook, should we then proceed to a vote, yes, we vote or yes, OK right, those in favour of the officers recommendation for refusal. the hands up put your hands up to. and those against and those against. 1 and 1 and extensions. 4 abstentions 4 abstentions.

And that can only have the figures again 0 1 4 that is carried out in favour one against and for and that can only have the figures again 0 1 4 that is carried out in favour, 1 against and 4 abstentions. bid if I will say this we’ve had several abstentions this

Morning we are here to decide applications it it would be normally be unusual for someone or a member to abstain at a planning committee meeting we are here to decide they’re difficult decisions but we do need the benefit of every everybody’s judgment on on these decisions if sometimes

There may be a good reason that you would normally say in advanced why you would be abstaining if you are going to decisions. If sometimes there may be a good reason that you would normally say in advance why he would be abstaining if you are going to abstain, OK. actually if we did

Actually, if we did that, that would be. yeah we can’t say that in advance yeah, we can’t say that in advance, can we I mean literally by reason for abstention justice stated publicly is that I cannot visualise this the impact that I’m not swayed by the other arguments about snow sustainability that

Publicly is that I cannot visualise this, the impact that I’m not swayed by the other arguments about snow sustainability that doesn’t count for me. and this is existing dwelling on the land of dogs and I have that so that that that’s it and they that justifies

You you you would need to say that in the in the calls for in the course of the discussion and have that so that that that’s it, and they’ve actually justifies you you, you would need to say that in the in the calls for in the course of the discussion,

I think we need to move on to the next I think we need to move on to the next application. right and this is a are 20 23 1 8 0 4 p St mirrors recreation ground Bexhill and Hastings right, and this is are 2023 1 8 0 4 p St mirrors,

Recreation, ground Bexhill and Hastings met Rosie. sorry. no no no no no no we we did we decide we decided is not a disclosable interesting you may accountable no, no, no, no, no, no, we we did, we decide we decided is not a disclosable interesting, you may rue, you may remain

Account Councillor childhood. Ms Mr. worthy thank Ms Mr. Worthy thank you Chair. this application is at St Mary’s recreation ground in ee proposal is for a muddle race car track Electric this application is at St Mary’s recreation ground in Bexhill it’s before you because he’s Council owned land.

The proposal is for a muddle race car track Electric because and siting of a shipping See the area outlined in red which is where the track is we those on site visits on Tuesday we drove past we drove down St Mary’s on the way to tacky roadside you might have got a

Got a glance back at the the rostrum timber rostrum. so we granted temporary permission for this to so we granted temporary permission for this two years ago it affected is a trial run see how it went because the worth some concerns at the time about noise activity

It affected is a trial run, see how it went, because there were some concerns at the time about noise activity, et cetera. and I think you’ll see within the report there were a limited number of objections but the vast majority of people are supportive 20 odd

And I think you’ll see within the report, there were a limited number of objections, but the vast majority of people are supportive 20 odd supportive. comments on summarised in the report comments on summarised in the report this photo shows the fenced-off area the blue string is although I think

This photo shows the fenced-off area the blue string is, although I think box. boxer track you can see the background where competitors boxer track, you can see the timber rostrum in the background where competitors stand. understand though usually around 15 to 20 people events

Understand, though usually around 15 to 20 people at these events, there is the there is the washroom. sorry the recommendation is to grant permission we officers do not have concerns about impact on amenities of nearby properties or highway safety seems to be well officers do not have concerns about impact on amenities of

Nearby properties, or highway safety seems to be well managed. the approved for this before you with a certain conditions we have since publishing the agenda we have made one of the conditions a bit more specific so we actually states that the youth can only take place between

Have since publishing the agenda, we have made one of the conditions a bit more specific, so we actually states that the use can only take place between of infested May and end of September and then it’s time timing is limited to 80 o’clock so that’s on the summer’s evening the instead

Of saying sundown because that’s a bit vague so we just tweak the wording says more enforceable and people have more certainty about thousand timings instead of saying sundown, because that’s a bit vague, so we just tweak the wording says more enforceable and people have more certainty about thousand timings, thank you.

Thank you very much Councillor Ganley I move including the thank you very much, Councillor Ganley, I move approve, including they modified. I’m sorry. I’m I’m I’ve done it again. yes. yes Andrew Cowley sorry I’m terribly sorry yes, Andrew Cowley, sorry, I’m terribly sorry. Thursday. you you you know you know

You you, you know, you know the rules. good afternoon sorry I’m sorry I’m I I’m I’m told I think there’s no harm done but I am told that we don’t pass things round obviously how do report was put it on the table they must find you can all look at it that’s fine

That that no harm done there’s no problem OK when you’re ready hello yes good afternoon and thank you for having this thank you for letting the Speaker and thank you of two years ago you very kindly granted as temporary planning permission when there were an enormous number of objections

Which understand because that the pink slip said electric race car track and I think everybody thought were building branch objections, which I understand because that the pink slip said electric race, car track and I think everybody thought we were. We were building branch hash so I I

Yes I yeah fair and I called told the Planning Department this time and and asked that they kindly add the word model racecard Trank into it which I think has made it a little bit of a difference here people initially just read their sleep and don’t necessarily I think read all the

Documentation that comes with it so we hear because of that two year planning permission yeah I’ll say very very much documentation that comes with it, so we hear because of that two year planning permission yeah I’ll say very, very much appreciated,

We understand why it was two years what we would like to to push for is is less restrictions I’m interested in some of those restrictions that you discussed in the we haven’t had whatsoever I think also rates are notable that last time a single complaint that we’re aware of

There was something like 70 objections in this time we’ve Parks has actually had people writing in who are nothing to do with the club in favour of it which is lovely that’s that’s people who’ve come and watch them we’ve invited their kids

To come and ever go with it with a club car which we own and run so that they can take part in it was a great hobby yeah it teaches engineering skills at teachers hand-eye coordination is it’s great socially we’ve got a number of Members for whom really enjoyed just that social Times’

Outdoor with male and female competitors age 7 through to 80 we didn’t have one guy who’s a double leg amputee who can compete year there aren’t many activities were wearing everybody can take part so I know a number of you Sam polio been often busy version and possibly some of the rest of

You as well we’ve had a couple of open days to try to show to show people what we do say what what we would really like is is less restrictions the the Sundown once interesting you know people don’t finish work until 5 pm in the summer quite often so

Restricting as to a kind of restricts what we can we can do their we’ve not gone past Sundown any point obviously in the winter we can’t run in the evenings to with that we don’t run at the track if you went up by Austin it’s all

Packed away for the winter because in the winter weather is too bad for us to run so we only run in the summer months so again on I would actually asked that MAES a little too late we would normally like to hope that we would be in

There from the 1st of April so our indoor season finishes at the end of March we could accept the 1st of April if that would be a suitable compromise you have to if the weather’s nice as it was a couple of years ago we could get

A much longer outdoor season and the kids can race in the summer because we raised in the morning whereas in the winter we race in the evening and that means we go through to around 9 10 o’clock and that’s then not suitable for

Them if they’re going to school the following morning so if we could ask that we could extend that from the 1st of April through to the 30th September would be morning, so if we could ask that we can extend that from the 1st of April through to the 30th of September out for

Outdoors, that’d be that’d be good, no plans for floodlights or anything Darth like that so again that you know we we we like the idea of of Sundown if you prefer may we could make a compromise it at nine o’clock that would be that would be better for us again

With provision were finishing work if you prefer, May we could make a compromise, it at 9.00 that would be, that would be better for us again with provision were finishing work at 5 p.m. yet I suppose the other yet I suppose the other thing really.

One of the points that we tried I I shall I spoke to Polly about this when we had the when we had the open day if we have to come back to Planning to discuss any aspect of this it cost the club in excess of 1 thousand pounds and close

To 2 thousand pounds if we have to go through some of the other public disposal orders and we’ve already borrowed 5 thousand pounds per hour governing body to allow us to build the Rostro me in keeping with the area we’ve put up a really nice Chestnut fence instead of something cheap which

Is again in keeping with the with the area we would ask really that the conditions had done through the lease the the reason for that is that we can be removed from the site via the lease and have to return it to is completely to its

Original state just via the lease whereas if we put conditions on the planning then obviously if we were led to say aware I don’t know we could we could run there was a beautiful day in December and we could we could run when

It’s unlikely but you know we have to come back for for planning permission it just seems daft when we could put that in with respect as a as a thing in the lease and they were the same but it can it can be discussed by with the Parks Department rather than with

That in with respect as a as a thing in the lease and they were the same but it can. It can be discussed by with the parks department rather than with planning so I mean maybe I’m wrong from that point of view but

That’s my understanding of a Rebecca has always said to us that you know if we breach the lies at any point we can be removed anyway so you can give us full planning permission we can be removed in six months time so that that’s our

Taken at you guys I’m not a planner so that that’s it from me really any questions please full following thank you thank you very much that’s very helpful I think I need to ask officers something there there’s there’s a proposal that the conditions as to dates and times could be changed

Or are we able to do I I think I need to ask officers something there. There’s there’s a proposal that the conditions as to dates and times could be changed, or are we able to do that? I think we have applied the conditions as previously applied

I think we have applied the conditions as previously applied, and I the I committed decision haven’t we and then this on to I committee decision haven’t we and then this on to them, no I’m just repeating what was in that in the original

Report on this has been updated because we’re not able to enforce sundown though we have tightened and the eight o’clock or the gentleman is asking whether or not Members can increase that in 19 short time that’s what he’s asking for so long o’clock, but the gentleman is asking whether or not Members

Can increase that in 90 m short time that’s what he’s asking for so. I will application is for the use of the land the contract with the landowner in terms of what you’ve got within your lease of tenor to use the land as is different from us it’s not

Something that the Planning Department can get involved in. I don’t understand that risk not the opinion that Rebekah had at the time that we’ve not had to I believe the BMX track and so on hasn’t cato hasn’t had to have those things

In place I thought that was via the lease but I say I’m no expert my first-ever Planning application and she couldn’t make it to the last things in place, I thought that was via the lies but I say I’m no expert my first ever planning application and she

Couldn’t make it to the lawful sorry. licensing rather than rather than licensing rather than. planning yeah, we couldn’t wait we can own only deal with the planning application here that the that there’s the first thing if there are any considerations about what parks and gardens will it will allow that that’s

Got no no there are any considerations about what parks and gardens will, it will allow that. That’s another matter which we’ve got no no power over at all but the the the question I had was there’s there’s a suggestion that the proposed condition

At all, but the the the question I had was there’s there’s a suggestion that the proposed condition that please should cease at please should cease at 8.00 he’s a little tight and could that be moved until 9 and could the season be extended from the 1st April to 30th

September and the question is have we got power to do that bearing in mind that you know these times won’t have been advertised I’ll I’ll we are we allowed to do that if we that, bearing in mind that you know these times won’t have

Been advertised, I’ll I’ll we are, we allowed to do that if we were minded to, and I think that sorry Chairman I think what we’ve advertises they use so everything else in terms of the condition comes with are granted planning permission so it

Can be amended if Members for I feel so inclined well I I think we’ve we’d need condition comes with are granted planning permission so it can be amended if Members, for I feel so inclined, well, I I think we’ve we’d need would we need to provoke proposed an amendment to do that

You can when you are you can suggest that amended amendment just amending the condition to speakers you can, when you are, you can suggest that amended amendment, just amending the condition to to work mileage costs and speakers to. I I think Councillor Drayson was in first well I think this

Is time for questions to the Speaker nor did you because I can’t see the picture of the temporary 1 included the container I think dear now is not the Cricket Club no so the reason we get as we actually had permission before the Cricket Club died their investigations into the guests is

Coming from the ground because there is an old refuge sites are Rebecca ask that we didn’t put a container on site despite the fact we have permission to it and we agreed to that just as a courtesy basically which it was yet also if

We will obviously can then have to remove it to put in a concrete base when we went for permanent planning permission that was just extra work that we didn’t need to do the other thing is we I say would already borrowed 5 thousand pounds from our governing body and we were at the

Point where we didn’t want to invest any further in the site and until we knew that you guys we’re gonna allow us to keep it yet but if we can keep it we can we can invest we can all got their work and make the facilities as good

As we can make them but we’re all volunteers and we’re not going to put that time of money and until we knew that we were going to be able to keep it thank you so through you Chairman your intention is at some stage to put yes there

Is as soon as we can afford it yes as it we thank you intention is at some stage to put yes, there is as soon as we can afford it. Yes, as soon as we can afford it. We thank you, I can Councillor I can Councillor Bayliss.

I was just done trying to clarify what we’re voting on I was just done trying to clarify what we’re voting on sorry. still we still have the still, we still have the Speaker in the Chair. other other any other questions other other any other questions of the Speaker,

No no no further questions one little 1 it’s all no, no, no further question of one little, 1 Councillor Graham, it’s all landlord. I I believe it’s brother and mother just a belief council size rather councillors on the end of your lease yes that’s

It that’s why we would like to complicate this at least possible with the planning department and put the most possible with the least because it just gives us flexibility so expensive and time-consuming for us to come to this room with respect to we’re volunteers and is a for profit clubs so

Flexibility so expensive and time-consuming for us to come to this room with respect we’re volunteers and is a not for profit clubs so. yes thank you they can we wish to work out at least will be with sorry with sorry. as as renewed what’s the planetary now leashes option or in as in

Six months time in March so that the more open the planning the more open the least can be here so we have no intention no intention of of breaching our last week where we, I understand that but if the planning limits the number of

Hours them at least can’t go outside that whereas if the planning is as open as possible that allows the lease to be as open as possible is my understanding of the situation County Councillor Murray bonds had a question basically how parking doorstep access for cars because I can’t remember

The last time round there is quite a about that parking and also access the cars because I can’t remember the last time round there is quite a bit of discussion about that show. so right would extended hours make a difference so it it’s

Working perfectly thank you yeah so we have a marginal on the gate to make sure that nobody access issue isn’t allowed to access and we only park around the track when we actually racing so for instance if somebody’s to go with an

Individual to use one car we think we know with their child and practice they would park in the car park but obviously the idea is that we want the uses of their child and practice they would park in the car park. But obviously the idea is that we want the car park

Available for other users of the recreation ground, so brother was granted at a licence to park on the grass around the track we leave a 2 metre gap everybody reverses in and path parallels that it looks looks smart for the other users of the park again five miles an hour has light

On just to make sure that if everything safe in that process so yes worked perfectly thank you as a has light on just to make sure that if everything safe in that process, so yes, worked perfectly. Thank you as a problem, Minister of driving on St Mary’s name yes yes it is there

Are lots of its approach from the south which is the wider part of the Lane anywhere and I say we’ve had average participants 16 to 20 but lots of those a father and son we’ve actually got 1 3 generational family who raised although there might be 15 to 20 participants is often only

10 to 12 vehicles which is less than we have for a cricket who raised although there might be 15 to 20 participants is often only 10 to 12 vehicles which is less than we have for a cricket or a football game. thank you. thank you Allah unless there are any further questions

Thank thank thank you very much and thank you thank you thank you Allah, unless there are any further questions, thank thank you, thank you very much, thank you thanks for having us, thank you. yeah o as Councillor Coleman Mrs. me checked yeah o as Councillor Coleman, Mrs. Me very nationally, yes checked.

I appreciate everyone’s so enthusiastic to approve this thank you Chair so those of you who have been on the Committee who own air when the last application come forward will remember my enthusiasm for this to give it full permission then and obviously you all very consider

Giving temporary permission in case there were noise issues and things that develops and I’m very pleased to confirm as Andrew has a on the 10 66 I’ll see you have proved themselves to be a perfect fit for this site I’ve had a chance to talk to dog walkers joggers cricketers

Neighbouring residents and visitors to be a perfect fit for this site, I’ve had a chance to talk to dog walkers, joggers, cricketers neighbouring residents and I visited the site myself. and the comments include how exciting and it is to watch it is really thrilling you might not think it but when when

There’s little cars are gracing tours around for whatever goes up and one of them falls over its it is quite quite the buzz how quiet the there’s little cars are gracing tours around for whatever goes up and one of them falls over it, it is quite quite the buzz how quiet the Kaiser

Considering there were complaints or objections about noise Ivan multiple residents say a company considering there were complaints or objections about noise, I’ve had multiple residents, say a company, how quiet it is. it’s it’s comparable to maybe a lawnmower when there’s like

All of the cars going or once or less it really is quiet these are not huge gas vehicles as I think was the impression given on the last application or how consider it for any of the clever they really are there to talk to

Residents to work with the community and I’ve been really impressed by the community spirit and how well it works alongside the cricket pitch as well I know there were concerns before around the tricky and the racist being there together actually the cricket club love the race cars

Race cars funded the cricket club both groups of being there together. Actually the cricket club love the race cars, race cars funded the cricket club. Both groups of talk to each other and I think they try not to operate the same time but even

If they did I think it’d be quite exciting to have a day where there’s quickie going on race cars racing I think it would be an absolute buzz for for the Sydney community and not only that but this is a truly unique activity that gets people outdoors there may be sports

And not only that but this is a truly unique activity that gets people outdoors there maybe can’t participate in team sports or other activities, An example being my sister whose autistic I went along to one of their open days she got hold of control I never

Raised to remote remote control car before and she was grinning from ear to ear was she driving in the right good opportunities for the local community and for locals I direction no fishy hit any of the ramps no but a great time think in terms of the red tape around specific times and

Things I would implore the Committee to to use a little bit of common sense and see that these races are not going to flout the rules and abused the trust of the local community community and I think the less red tape the better of other is not a planning consideration.

The Council is in charge of the lease and there are provisions that can be made there and whilst that’s not a consideration for you I think you can be safe in the knowledge that that will be happening when you hopefully decide not to be too prescriptive about the specific

Conditions on this but thank you very much this application decide not to be too prescriptive about the specific conditions on this, but thank you very much Principal this application thank you. I have Councillor Ganley first and then I have Councillor Ganley first and then Councillor Gray, Kilchoman asking for comments big

Kilchoman Ashman for common sense is a bit of a big. I remember I move approval including modification to the conditions which would allow rating from 1st April to 30th September and up to 9 p I remember I move approval, including modification to the conditions which would allow rating from the 1st April to

30th September and up to 9 p. third forcing forcing. well I don’t want a bogus Bonwick amendments to the amendments but taking that we are the leaseholders albeit with landlords and the gentleman’s point of view that we should go big like stick with sundown and let the other

Department restricted to a time because if we go small they can’t go more as I wanted to I I just I’m not sure if we should go for a time or Sundown was sufficiently wide to let licensing or whoever deals with it to control the time

Well we we we have some legal advice I think the legal advice was the Sandown was insufficiently precise but but I think I sundown as a time but obviously it legal advice was the Sandown was insufficiently precise, but but but I think I sundown as a time, so obviously it differs from

It would take the same Huntsman siphoned off insufficiently precise to applies a planning condition that could cause problems in terms that enforceability so that’s why we have recommended that at a time is precise to apply as a planning condition that could cause problems in terms that enforceability, so that’s why we

Have recommended that at a time is attached. that that was. yeah I think it’s important to have some sorts of time limit and days when when it can upright so I would I think we should be relying on the lease from Parks you go to remember this ones with the permission permanent permission

Mums with the land so if the Council chose to dispose of this in future it could go for private individual I think he’s impulsive we have planning restrictions that being said there’s no reason why we can’t be a bit more flexible individual, I think his impulsive, we have planning

Restrictions that being said, there’s no reason why we can’t be a bit more flexible so like the applicant like the applicant said. 1st of April, that’s fine lights time yeah is operated successfully until sundown for the past two years so therefore if 10 10 o’clock works for the African I have no issue

An officer sundown for the past 2 years, so therefore, if 10 10 o’clock works for the applicant, I have no issue with, that is an officer. so yeah I perhaps I have no objection to the extending the opening hours until so yeah, I perhaps I have no objection to extending the

Opening hours until champion. thank you thank you, yeah me to. the officers the officers found the 10 pm. OK. of the office of officers are content with the 10 pm so we we we have it for proposed by Councillor Gandhi seconded by I think it was Councillor

Of the office of officers are content with the 10 pm, so we we, we have it for proposed by Councillor Gandhi, seconded by I think it was Councillor Bayliss is proposed for acceptance with the amendment that the season should be the 1st of April to the 30th of September

And that the hours should be up until 10 pm so all those in favour season should be the 1st of April to the 30th of September, and that the hours should be up until 10 pm, so all those in favour, that is unanimous thank you all thank you all very no, let’s see.

Unanimous, thank you all, thank you all very much. prefer. yeah yeah yeah yeah Council. yeah Councillors and unless yeah, Councillors and unless unless any any councillor has a a a a real ejection or difficulty I would propose that we plough on and can rather

Any any councillor has a a a a real ejection or difficulty, I would propose that we plough on and can complete the list rather than breaking yes. very good in that case agenda item number 11 are 20 23 16 30 p this is 21 stalls need Jay-Z house known as in basketball and

Very good in that case agenda item number 11 are 2023 16 30 p, this is 21 stalls, need Jay’s house, known as James Perch in basketball, and I think and coquette Kelly will and coquette Kenny will present it. thank you Chair members I have asked this to come before

Thank you, Chair members, I have asked this to come before you because. it’s quite one of a sensitive nature and we’ve had complaints sent to us about this development and the MPs and require a few people have been copied indie in the letter so I have brought this before you for transparency

Reasons and also for fairness in being made letter, so I have brought this before you for transparency reasons and also for fairness in terms of the decision being made. this is the application site sorry you can see just coming in so this is the site the area are them hash day and read

This is the application site, sorry, you can see just coming in, so this is the site, the area of them hatched in red, that is where the an extension to an existing step or platform has has been added and they’ve also added a decking to the back of an

Existing can said Well the they’ve got permission for the conservatory so divided a Dec into that area so does the site you can see the on the corner existing can serve well the they’ve got permission for the conservatory, so divided a deck into that area, so does the

Site you can see they on the corner of stars need. it’s a it’s a fairly recent residential development and the the Lancet of slips from frontier to the back so if you can see my cursor so he slopes from the front round to the bat

So if you’re standing here and looking back towards the site you will see some of the development from the here the back, so if you’re standing here and looking back towards the site you will see some of the development from this close here

This is the pre-existing layout so this was what the site looked like before the put the the works so that is the existing the platform which formed or regional part of the dwelling of the the the of the development when it was approved and so my cursor keeps disappearing and you’ve got

The extension the conservatory there does being added and this is how the land levels this is what they’ve given towards this was the pre-existing land levels the extension the conservatory there there has been added and this is how the land levels this is what they’ve given towards. This was the pre-existing land levels,

And this is what has been carried out on the site so this is what is before you so what they’ve done is they’ve added a deck in a J I join into the conservatory searches for them to be able to step out from the conservatory

Is what is before you, so what they’ve done is they’ve added a Decc in A J, I join into the conservatory searches for them to be able to step out from the conservatory onto, and levelled section of the of the garden so if you look at

The highest ground because we have to measure from the highest ground for permitted development it is less than 300 m m in height so we would say that area falls within what they can do under permitted development but this bit here then drops significantly so that bit is where you would

What they can do under permitted development but this bit here then drops significantly so that bit is where you wooden class to be a PD development so that is the area where they’ve actually there to say that is the only area that would fall within

What they can do under permitted development but the red area can be carried out within PD rights and in terms of the extension to the platform you can see that was actually a Regional League for part of the development it allows you

To come from the garden step into the are onto the stairs and go into the garden so what this year but that will be coming so you can see that as extended part of the proposal and they’ve also and that is they have already also changed that to a party or door.

I cannot tell you when that was done but that is in situ at the moment so that is what is being proposed and this is what you can see here so in addition I cannot tell you when that was done, but that is in situ

At the moment, so that is what is being proposed, and this is what you can see here, so in addition to what if done if try to mitigate the impact on the neighbour at number 20 hereby putting this screening what if done, if try to mitigate the impact on the

Neighbour at number 20 hereby put in this screening along here? however I mean if you recall we’ve just showing you that basis of regional to the dwelling itself so if you stood there you would be able to look over onto the neighbour’s garden or you could be perceived to be overlooking however

That was original so that was what was there in terms of the extended the you cannot you would have oblique views anyway without that screening being there budd granted they have put that screening and to help to mitigate to help to address the issues and this is step in from the decking looking

Budd granted they have put that screening and to help to mitigate, to help to address the issues and this is step in from the from the Deacon looking back onto the properties to to the to the left after site sorry I

Lose my my my think in terms of direction by does say there looking towards west of the site at number 20 there you can’t see over the fence however I mean I would say it would provide oblique views over the phone so you’re not

Going to be looking directly into the garden and this is a a would provide oblique views over the phone, so you’re not going to be looking directly into the garden and this is a view from the. original part of the platform from the adjoining the the

Kitchen and you can just see where you can look from in terms of we if you stood there and that’s just looking at the platform a gain and this is just looking for kitchen, and you can just see where you can look from in

Terms of we if you stood there and that’s just looking at the platform a gain, and this is just look in from switch off site of the property so long looking along the west side of the boundary looking towards number 22 so that

Will be to the north of the of the property and this is just looking again they have added trolls’ by this area such of adjoins the frontal prior side of number that will be to the north of the of the property and this is just looking again. They have added trolls’ by this

Area. Such of adjoins the frontal prior side of number 22, that to the north there and the road is just on the corner so essentially they’re trying to protect their on previously as well as or prevent corner, so essentially they’re trying to protect their on

Previously, as well as are preventing the views from the street and this is just to show the original they put the and this is just to show the original, so this was before they put the the. bud or screening as they call it up and you could see are

Clearly look in their so that is the original situation or and what they are proposing actually helps to to mitigate some of those overlooking from the steps I know there’s been reference to what was refused to add number 19 that is I wouldn’t say that is comparable to this in any sense

Because what they have done is gone the the the on platform is on the side of the property and they’ve extended it to what’s the boundaries so increase in the the seating area the external recreation area to allow them to be able to sit outside more thereby resulting in increased levels of

Overlooking into the neighbours’ gardens this is the one that was refused down was dismissed on appeal and we have an secured its removal so I mean Members can see what is before them were recommending approval on the Bill and the fact that we do not consider that what is there right now

Is causing significant harm it from overlooking and and the fact that we do not consider that what is there right now is causing significant harm from overlooking and so thereby impact on the living conditions of the neighbouring occupiers thank you impact on the living conditions of the neighbouring occupiers. Thank you, Chairman,

Thank you. we have Councillor we have Councillor Field. 0 sorry. I’d also Alison Allan please I’d also Alison Allan, please. and you know the thank you thank you. thank you for the opportunity to thank you for the opportunity to speak this morning, I am attending to J objects to the retrospective planning

Permission submitted by my neighbours I am attending to a DJ objects to the retrospective planning permission submitted by my neighbours at 21. I live at number 20 I live at number 20, after being given a considerably long timescale and two applications taking a timescale of over 1 year to get it to

After being given a considerably long timescale and two applications taking timescale of over one year to get it to this point. which still does not include the two fences one that’s been put on top of the which still does not include the two fences, one, that’s

Been put on top of the fire exit. staircase that went down to up to the Guardian neighbour staircase that went down to to the garden is this, the neighbour from the neighbour, she the woman that used to work cupping she the woman that used to work cupping commit. Surrey. yeah

What do I do now? we will we we we we will give you another 30 seconds because we had an interruption yes we will whoo whoo whoo, whoo will give you another 30 seconds, because we had an interruption, yes, carrot carry on, after being given considerably longer timescale of a year

To get to this point and I’ve had to changes of officers from plan from planners and a change of mind about actually get to this point and I’ve had two changes of officers, from Planning from planners and a change of mind about actually bringing it here.

I am a slightly perturbed that the two fences that have been put on and not in this application which is entirely relevant to this the one at the back where they look after when the where the decking area looks over today’s House

His front door and the one that is a palette that has been stuck on top of the staircase which is makes makes the whole area 12 foot high House, his front door and the one that is a palette that has been stuck on top of the staircase which is makes makes

The whole area 12 foot high they have levelled up the land to make three flat areas so they brought the land up the middle section now has three stairs so they’ve brought the landowner there’s the second both decking areas in high is roughly roughly 5 for so it gives

Stairs, so they’ve brought the landowner, there’s the second, both decking areas in high is roughly roughly five for, and so it gives virtually. I meet are afoot where they’re not looking over my garden from the entire length of the patio which covers the Deccan

Area which they say where they stand in their they look entirely over to my garden the whole length along when the patio which is that one which was a fire exit that they haven’t even put any steps in there was no there to stop them falling

The patio, which is that one which was a fire exit that they haven’t even put any steps in there, was no there is nothing to stop them falling off the top of that. they’re proposing wooden steps to come down of the edge they’re proposing wooden steps to come down off the edge there

And it is a five foot drop they can now put chairs out there and they will be hugely as and have used it as a patio area that was a fire escape from the kitchen to get them into their back garden which every single upper house

Has got and also the House the other side of me at night 19 which all my neighbours objected to because they made the fire escape stairwell into a patio area so there is absolutely no difference between number 19 and number 19, which all my neighbours objected to because they made

The fire escape stairwell into a patio area, so there is absolutely no difference between number 19 and number 21. base both second areas in high is right roughly five for and then they’ve put a six foot fence with extra fencing on

The top to stop it looking at Davos at number 20 Terry it also impacts 23 it also impacts 19 because because of the height of the decades they can see right over my garden and right over 2 number also impacts 23. It also impacts 19 because because of the

Height of the decade, and they can see right over my garden and right over to number 19 by the plant the plans that we’ve waited a year for have still omitted to give any heights so the extent that when the Battle Town Council submitted their online comments

They felt that after my telephone call that to them that the professional plans eventually submitted to very above 30 centimeters on the whole of the decking area the ground has been made up and offences have been put higher higher, otherwise they would look straight into those for front garden.

But the large high decking area area with additional fence height completed and use raised five foot high concrete patio area where the French doors were installed a 1 metre from my boundary fence and my patio height, completed and use, raised five foot, high, concrete

Patio area, where the French doors were installed, a 1 metre from my boundary fence and my patio. they only. submitted after our complaints a palette fence has been temporary fitted which is totally out of keeping submitted after our complaints are palette fence has been temporary fitted, which is totally out of keeping an

Unsightly it’s a further five foot it’s a further five foot, high it is gonna be it is gonna be. put wooden temporary stairs so that’s not fire put wooden temporary stairs, so that’s not fire resistant. the new raised patio has no railing which could pose

Problems both of these five foot high patios and are now completely overlook both my home inside the garden looking directly into our kitchen utility downstairs toilet out of a hole stairwell and bedrooms completely overlook, both my home inside the garden, looking directly into our kitchen utility downstairs toilet

Out of a hole, stairwell and bedrooms, Councillor. field attended my site yesterday and this was observed by her this patio was never a veranda it is the VAT fire exit and stairs to the garden alcohol done and highways now goldfish bowl to number 21 platform patio areas as Councillor Joan seconds

Exit and stairs to the garden alcohol done, and how is now a goldfish bowl to number 21 platform patio areas as Councillor Joan seconds observed, I am here today to kindly asked rather district council planners to keep the development as it was originally planned compliant with regulations it now doesn’t comply

With regulations OS ES for the he’d 9 Angelou 5 minutes as up thank you planned, compliant with regulations it now doesn’t comply with regulations OS ES, for the he’d 9 Angelou five minutes is up, thank you. stay there because councils may wish to ask some questions

Stay there, because councils may wish to ask you some questions. Councillor Galway thank you thank you councillor Galway, thank you, thank you for your presentation. did I understand you to say that this development enables your next unable to see into your kitchen yes did I understand you to say that this development enables

Your next unable to see into your kitchen yes like? they they they the staircase was a steak I said they could come out their kitchen and get down to their garden and it was a fire exit because at the front they just got

Come out their kitchen and get down to their garden and it was a fire exit because at the front they just got electric doors. now there has been made into a patio base can sit there with chairs and he regularly at and we will

Now that has been made into a patio base can sit there with chairs, and he regularly smoked out there just looking at me walking down my garden, but I’m speaking specifically about looking into your kitchen because they are both yeah I also think both of the

Areas look directly into my downstairs toilet into my utility into my kitchen and into the window on the the areas look directly into my downstairs toilet, into my utility into my kitchen and into the window on the side of the House. when I’m coming down in my dressing gown you can see the

Bedrooms and you can see me from both areas when I’m coming down in my dressing gown, you can see the bedrooms and you can see me from both areas, I didn’t see that anyway thank you if anybody with kids come and have a look I’ve had Councillor not for

I didn’t see that anyway, thank you, if anybody with kids come and have a look, I’ve had Councillor, we had a look, but not from my perspective. when when I’m standing in my garden I’d get them looking at me all the time when I’m standing in my in my kitchen

They’re looking at me all the time she thank you for that when when I’m standing in my garden, I get them looking at me all the time when I’m standing in my in my kitchen, they’re looking at me all the time she thank you for that.

Any other questions or any other questions Councillor Golton Golton future hello any other questions or any other questions, Councillor Golton future, hello, Alison. Ellison it offers to the property actually I because Ellison it offers to the property, actually I be quite honest settlement. stood on that platform and I couldn’t really see education

So you reckon that I could save the kitchen so where is your kitchen situations so there’s two areas there’s the decking area at the end and you can see my entire House from that second area into my kitchen they have put kitchen situations, so there’s two areas, there’s the

Decking area at the end, and you can see my entire house from that second area into my kitchen they have put six for monstrosity fence up on top of the five foot patio is ugly and unsightly and not in keeping with the the original

Rather district council plan in order for them not to sit there and look at me constantly in my kitchen there are two things there is one thing going CEO that you put chairs on your sitting watching somebody garden all the time when you’ve built both things up five foot in

The air in order to look over the the party fence but that platform at the back of a house reserve. wasn’t there was no it was the stairs all it was was a backdoor the stairs actually started the among corruption well so there was a platform with star’s going down into

The God wasn’t a platform there was to if you imagine there is probably no wider than mess going down to the garden now it’s probably from here to at table there in order to there is probably no wider than mess going down to the

Garden now it’s probably from here to at table there in order to put tables out. I feel that there was a platform of some description there to go into the realm if there was a Square it is less than this it’s just to get round obviously they’ve got to build

The stairs to go down and if you have a look at the this, it’s just to get round, obviously they’ve got to build the stairs to go down and if you have a look at the whole area, all all of the neighbours that have got including number 19

I’ve got this square to get down to the garden it was never meant as a a patio all all of the neighbours that have got, including number 19, I’ve got this square to get down to the garden, it was never meant as a a patio, because.

I mean obviously I’ve I have rescued their child a couple of times because he’s I mean, obviously, I’ve I have rescued their child a couple of times because he’s climbed up on air. and they have not been there but it’s just a staircase to

Get down to the garden so I think we have we have a photograph Hotmail now is patio area for them to sit my understand my understanding is that the the French doors that we can see there were not there and try a grant that

Was an ordinary window guess and so you can see the door there on the right that that we can see there were not there and try a grant that was an ordinary window guess and so you can see the door there on the right that that was worthy of.

Global and justice Square and then steps going down which would have gone in front of the kitchen window but now but now there’s French French doors and you presumably they will build build a staircase down from that do not built in it like and I do a wooden staircase which doesn’t comply

And they’ve put wooden pallet up at the side and I think when this when they’re standing there which he does he stands there smoking comply and they’ve put a wooden pallet up at the side, and I think when this when they’re standing there which he does, he stands there smoking he looks

Right over into my garden and exactly the sign but now it’s a permanent feature yeah I I think I think that that that does like clarified to a councillor it does to permanent feature yeah I I think I think that that that does let clarified to a councillor, it does to thank you

Very much, thank you. no no other questions no other question are Councillor. can I just add is that palette in your opinion a temporary measure to protect your privacy and that it would be more can I just add, is that palette, in your opinion, a

Temporary measure to protect your privacy and that it would be come more if this is granted. I know you call it a palette and is ugly and it does look pretty ugly but if that was a proper fence and stuffed Byrne up it would you still

I know you call it a pilot and is ugly, and it does look pretty ugly, but if that was a proper fence and stuffed barn up it would you still object to it. the palate is a temporary measure so that they can down if

The pallor is a temporary measure so that they can take it down if they want to. thank you is it or is it a condition that thank you is it, or is it a condition that the screen beaver thank you Chairman I mean this is this forms

What they’ve submitted to us as their proposal so they have to keep his there we can enforce if the plans he has not been built in accordance with the approved plans then we can enforce that that is what they have shown us plans he has not been built in accordance with the approved

Plans then we can enforce that that is what they have shown us that they are going to be. leaving their as as as as its being done so that is if they took it down then there would be asked in contrary to to

The approved plans but again you have to consider the fact that that is an original part of the dwelling and that has always been there that overlooking would has always been there the difference with this one is the fact that they’ve just extended the platform sideways in terms of the party

Or dot you there is no no no restricting restrictive conditions when the this development was was originally approved so there they still have the permitted development rights intact so they could change the window to a door if they wanted to all window to a party adult which the would

Require planning permission but what your that result in increased or unacceptable levels of overlooking into the neighbouring occupiers thank you put on summary 1 point 1 you sat you’ve said the proposal so it does not introduce any new harmful view points which would cause unacceptable impacts on neighbouring amenity that is

A harmful impacts but not a good. that would leaving repercussions and I think we’ve probably that would leave him with questions and I think we’ve probably. did you want to ask a question for Councillor Fielding did you want to ask a question for Councillor Fielding

Not a question I wish you all speaking Australian innovators not a question, I wish you all speaking, Australian innovate, I’ll tie you will speak again. is we look at another photo the reverse Angel of that where we can see our local to show shall we I think perhaps we

Finished with the good Labour would speak photographs although we can’t do that though I I thank you I I think we’ll we’ll move on to the to the next stage you’d although we can’t do that, though I I thank you I I think

We’ll we’ll move on to the to the next stage now and if you’ve switched show, microphone off and for your microphone off and returned to the back, thank you very much for your help, thank you. thank you, so so now. Councillor whether you had a question

Councillor Graham, you had a question for the officer. o Councillor faintly County Councillor Field Councillor o Councillor faintly County Councillor Field, first of all, Councillor Field. yes but thanks very much chat as you can see place yes, but thanks very much chat, as you can see, this is taking place in the House.

No development which has been there for at no development which has been there for at least 30 years. there are as Ms Allen said no heights on the plans so it’s actually quite difficult to determine the impact of what is being built on the existing houses the conservatory and the

Deck we’re not there when the houses were built so the overlooking impact has in fact changed and when the houses were built furthermore the veranda really is misnamed because it was built as a staircase to give access from the kitchen from the back door into the garden and so you’d

Garage to the front door after the back door facing that way steps go down the side of the House there was just enough space to turn to go down the steps into the garden and that has been extended and turned into a space which is

Big enough to put a table and chairs on and that again has changed the dynamics of that garden and residents of Jasper which is big enough to put a table and chairs on and that again has changed the dynamics of that garden and enable the residents of James Perch to overlook.

Mr. and Mrs. Allen’s property now I have had the advantage you haven’t had of being in the property upstairs and downstairs inside and out and seeing the impact of the structure and believe me you can’t see over that fence you can’t see into the garden and whereas you could a bit when

It was just steps somebody going down steps isn’t going to spend time looking over 70 sitting on a patio for whatever reasons while standing on the patio is going to have far more time to contemplate what’s going on in the next door

Area and we need to understand that this is a sloping site as to planning officer said on the function of a sloping site is that buildings higher up the site and see much more easily into the buildings lower down which is what is happening here on which is why the

Site and see much more easily into the buildings lower down, which is what is happening here on, which is why the reverse isn’t true you can’t stand in the garden of miscellaneous house and look over into the garden of James Perch because the sight lines are all wrong because your lower down

You can’t stand in the garden of Miss Allen’s house and look over into the garden of jays perch, because the sight lines are all wrong because you’re lower down. and you can people can’t see over I mean I have seen the photos of the net people in James Perch standing on the top

Of that platform which was steps and is now called to veranda looking over into number 10 photos of the net people in jays perch, standing on the top of that platform, which was steps and is now called a veranda looking over into number 20.

I would say that that is a massive problem I’m not a structural engineer but I have designed gardens in my time and if you have a raised patio which this is and I know it’s in level with the conservatory but that wasn’t there

When the property was built and I don’t know what ground works were done to accommodate that conservatory on that sloping site if you have a Edek made on to be level with that and then the garden and then a play area at the other

End of the garden accessed by steps going down I don’t understand how the ground levels cannot have been altered to some extent to accommodate those developments also really disappointed to read in the report that no biodiversity net gain is relevant because it’s really disappointed to read in the report that no

Biodiversity net gain is relevant because it’s only a small application it doesn’t really matter does it if you’re covering landscaping then I think you’re losing biodiversity and I think we owe it to the district to make sure that biodiversity is reinstated and actually improved, thank you.

Thank you thank you very much and we will now move through questions for the officers the council thank you, thank you very much, and we will now move through questions for the officers, the Council’s stinger. yeah just a quick question could we add a condition to

Maintain that screening on a permanent basis and I think because I honestly think inside the house the garden from the outside on the road on Tuesday so good perspective and very little I could see the TV at the back of the right-hand House just about I couldn’t see into the Lady’s

House that well and I think by putting the strain up as probably more privacy than less than before and just and and I motion to move this place if after that well and I think by putting the screen up as probably more privacy than less than before and just and and I

Motion to move this place if, after everyone’s spoken, thank you yes yes please thank you Chairman yes we can apply an amended condition are to ask for details of additional screening on a permanent basis along the the can apply an amended condition are to ask for details of

Additional screening on a permanent basis along the the the platform, yeah yeah. we can we can ask for that yeah just just the way so that we can put an amended condition to to to address that we can, we can ask for that yeah, just to just the place

That we can put an amended condition to seek to address that. yes Councillor Booth yes yes, Councillor Booth, yeah, thank you. I I I went I mean and and and looks shorter than Councillor and Stanger but I couldn’t I went on to that corner bit of

Third decking and I couldn’t see personally but then on sort of vibrato that might be the reason I I sort of agree about the the ugly timber I mean I was always wound in planning terms it you know you know you’ve got to be

Careful about well I don’t like the look at their so I’m not gonna approve it or you know planning terms it, you know you know you’ve got to be careful about well I don’t like the look of their so I’m not going to approve it or whatever.

But you know I would imagine the person on the other side of that that was the only bit of the visit that I thought was obtrusive and ugly was that to make that side of that, that was the only bit of the visit that I

Thought was obtrusive and ugly was that timber frame, so if we can make that better. then I I would be happy then I I would be happy to go along with the inundation thank you Councillor Field yes thank you I think

I sensed the way this discussions go but could I ask if you are going to condition the screening that it complies with the High Weald design guide and is of inappropriate size when viewed from both sides of the property goes from his Ireland side and from the applicant side

Inappropriate size when viewed from both sides of the property goes from his Ireland side and from the applicant side? Thank you. I just clarification is is this in the I just clarification is is this in the A and B? right all of battle is always sort is washed over OK you

Right all of battle is always sort, is washed over OK, thank you. so. I would guess so I I think I would guess so I I think they’re probably. it probably my it probably my thoughts. would align with that that a condition as to suitable

Screaming to be approved by by officers bearing in mind the design guides would be appropriate and Surrey Councillor Gruen I was gonna ask him a question screening to be approved by by officers, bearing in mind the design guides, would be appropriate and Surrey, Councillor Gruen, I was gonna, ask them a question 5.

Thank you Chairman I just wanted some clarification do we want the screening for just a platform or with decking edges just where it isn’t environment has changed at screen to make it more permanent fixture and fitting with the highway and the A and B thanks

Edges just where it is at the moment, is changed at screen, to make it more permanent fixture and fitting with the highway and the A and B thanks? this is a discussion for this is a discussion for councillors. why? I I spent. where where were we?

Councillor Stan yes Councillor Groner yeah I’d wanted to say that it’s I understand the idea of making it more less the screen from the other side we didn’t say it from the other side but could be seen as that but the only reason it’s up there is because there’s a fundamental change of

Use of that back patio them and is now a patio when it was the stairs and you don’t stand on stairs you pass through them. so I do have some sort of sympathy for you know something that was built which is fundamentally different from its

So I do have some sort of sympathy, for you know something that was built, which is fundamentally different from its original. if the officers consider that a change of use requires permission I I De do you think that the deficiencies as you say it cannot be addressed by a suitable screen yeah I

Think you can but the only reason the screens there in the first place this is what I struggle with is because the fundamental change you wouldn’t think you can, but the only reason the screens there in the first place this is what I struggle with is because the

Fundamental change you wouldn’t need a screen. if you haven’t fundamentally changed it and this is now being sought retrospectively so this is the I I struggle with this a little bit and thoughts being sought retrospectively, so this is the I I struggle

With this a little bit and I would like to hear some more thoughts on that. Councillor Bayliss yes I just wonder if the screen at being put there to stop the neighbour Councillor Bayliss, yes, I just wonder if the screen had been put there to stop the neighbour looking at.

I mean there’s two people looking at there’s two sets of neighbours they are looking at I mean there’s two people looking at there’s two sets of neighbours, they are looking at each other. I just wonder if that screen was put out actually to stop

Then the neighbour that we’ve just spoken to looking over I just wonder if that screen was put out actually to stop then the neighbour that we’ve just spoken to looking over and the to the property that we visited to the property that we visited on Tuesday.

I think that’s a thus putting that’s a possibility I think that’s a SACRE, putting that’s a possibility. well even though it may be a mutual benefit were the you know the CA the question is this application acceptable that does it does it cause undue harm to the amenities of

The neighbours probably not I suspect but that does it does it cause undue harm to the amenities of the neighbours, probably not, I suspect, but Councillor Jason. and presumably we can’t do this and it’s not part of the application but but the obvious thing is is is trellis on

Top of the fence between the two properties and that would need planning permission because it would be over the required height but they haven’t asked for and I think it’s 21 fence because the arís fence rails with this need planning permission because it would be over the

Required height, but they haven’t asked for and I think it’s 21 fence because the arís fence rails with this side. I doubt if we can condition that but it would seem to be obvious solution I doubt if we can condition that, but it would seem to be an obvious solution.

What that was that was for the future I think we’re being advised a councillor grey I just wanted to say a very good what that was that was for the future, I think we’re being advised a Councillor Gray, I just wanted to suggest trees as a very good screening. I thought.

I say we’ve forgotten that you know that garden it does have a smooth basic grass I thought there’s a space in the corner where one or rowan tree would look lovely would help the biodiversity perfect smoothly corner where one a rowan tree would look lovely would help

The biodiversity barriers in the winter plus in A Midsummer perfect smoky. it it would be lovely if it if it survived the suspect it it would be lovely if it if it survived the children, I suspect I might be the problem. we we have a proposal would outweigh we have a proposal

We, we have a proposal outweigh, we have a proposal escaped. do we have to have do we have to have second ideas Camp, your your your the proposal seconder your your your the proposer Councillor Stanger, do we have a seconder, Councillor Councillor Gordon seconds seconds seconds it if

If if if we move to a vote that would would you accept the condition as to the additional screening to be approved by by officers within the High Weald a NB compromise I say additional screening just everything by officers within the High Weald a NB compromise, I say

Additional screening just screen looking at a bit of extra replace what’s there? yes so I think we can move to a vote all those in favour approval subject to that yes, so I think we can move to a vote, all those in favour of approval, subject to that additional condition. that is unanimous

That is unanimous. thank you. item number 12 Councillors agenda item number 12 are 20 23 19 48 p this is Springfield Washington Road Washington and Washington, and of course we had a site visit for this, and Matthew Worsley will present, thank you Chair. members will recall this application was deferred at the

November planning committee meeting that was to seek legal advice on members will recall this application was deferred at the November planning committee meeting that was to seek legal advice on. if if it if it was if you’re going to support the scheme what the situation was over removing the existing dwelling

And extinguishing a previous planning permission that still extant for a replacement dwelling g dwelling and extinguishing a previous planning, permission that still extent for a replacement dwelling. and Kirsty will be able to give that advice in due course and Kirsty will be able to give that advice in due course, I believe.

Just as a re a brief recap of the proposal the yeah the site is along Watlington road we visited Tuesday and it is a it is in the countryside in planning terms is just as a re, a brief recap of the proposal the yeah the

Site is along Watlington road, we visited Tuesday and it is a it is in the countryside in planning terms and is also. an area of outstanding natural beauty, so as with the so as with the the scheme we had to the two dwellings earlier is it is

Core Strategy policy of a 3 that applies for new dwellings in the countryside this is this is a proposal for a replacement or at least that was is used in the description however the existing dwelling is around 75 80 metres east of where the new dwelling is

However, the existing dwelling is around 75 80 metres east of where the new dwelling is proposed. which would be yeah just 10 metres or so back from om the back from the road, so within policy all right 3 the test is whether any replacement dwelling has a similar landscape impacts to the

So within Policy off 3, the test is whether any replacement dwelling has a similar landscape impacts to the existing. in this case we saw the dwelling that is going to be demolished single storey it was granted the lawful development certificate back in 20 19

In this case, we saw the dwelling that is going to be demolished, single storey, it was granted a lawful development certificate back in 2019. yes rounds 100 metres back from the road from the road yes, it rounds 100 metres back from the road, you can’t see it from the road.

In some ways it’s look a bit like an outbuilding within the grounds for the last property in some ways it’s look a bit like an outbuilding within the grounds for the last property. however this so-called replacement would be yes 75 waiting metres away completely however, this so-called replacement would be yes, 75 square

Metres away, completely different sightseeing. it would the two storey in nature it would be two storey in nature. bring you up the bring you up the plans. yesterday’s the elevation plans so yeah replacing a single storey property with this L-shape property just 10 metres

Back from the road and its officers view that it does not comply with our Core Strategy policy for a replacement dwelling in the countryside on top of that we also feel it’s harmful to the landscape and scenic GCC comply with our Core Strategy Policy for replacement

Dwelling in the countryside it on top of that we also feel it’s harmful to the landscape and scenic beauty of the A&E. you clearly see this property from the road perched on top of the bank yes there were some trees but you can see

Through the Boston is going to change from an undeveloped sigh that part of the site to a development develop sites and ease and urbanization of this part of the site and encroachment into the countryside hence the recommendation to refuse one one final point ease and urbanization of this part of the SCI and

Encroachment into the countryside, hence the recommendation to refuse one one final point. obviously with the the previous dwellings we went on proposed because if there is a mechanism of demolishing the existing lawful dwelling extinguishing the previous planning permission it yeah you’re not gonna create any additional vehicle movements probably hence we didn’t go

With that reason, however, the A&E reason in officers opinion stands here and as it would be harmful therefore recommendation for refusal thank you I’m in officers, opinion stands here and as it would be harmful, therefore recommendation for refusal, thank you, I’m not sure when. tasty speaks.

I think now is probably as good a time as any obviously it would only be if Members were minded to go against the officer recommendation but there is a mechanism that you could extinguish both the extant permission and the certificate of lawfulness by means of a agreement in which the

Could extinguish both the extant permission and the certificate of lawfulness by means of a Section 1 0 6 agreement in which the the owners would also agree to the owners would also agree to. not seek any compensation for for that so there’s a

Provision so it it’s agreements that we have done before so the provision is the other mechanism is there but obviously that’s only if you’re minded recommendation the provision is near the mechanism is there, but obviously that’s only if you’re minded to go against the officer recommendation.

Can I ask if if if we did that there’d be anything to prevent a future planning application on the site now obviously your your extinguishing permissions that are in place we can’t prevent a future application coming so something that obviously we haven’t got obviously your your extinguishing permissions that are in

Place, we can’t prevent a future application coming so something that obviously we haven’t got Christopher well well. councillors well we we’ve seen the councillors, well, we we’ve seen the site and we’ve. should? of those Catherine wish to speak on Kathryn of those Catherine wish to speak, of course you do Catherine Kathryn.

I keep doing it to unfortunately I keep doing it to, unfortunately, as far as. here we are with another former nursery here we are with another former nursery. with an application to build a house on the former with an application to build a house on the former nursery site. which

Many people’s views include that the Parish Councillors and much better use of the land and having derelict many people’s views include that the parish councillors is much better use of the land and having derelict nursery buildings this is also in Washington but this is part of the ribbon

Development in Washington in no way could it be called isolated in the open countryside there our neighbours on both sides are known as a neighbour’s objects to isolated in the open countryside, there are our neighbours on both sides are known as a neighbour’s objects to this at all.

As far as the landscape impact goes it’ll be far better to have it there and where the current building is in open countryside and very visible and this planning application will demolish that’s building and remove I believe that the extant permission for another building so actually or

Condensing the potential for two buildings down into one building in a much better place because it will not impact on the neighbours anything like as much and the building which is currently in open countryside as go certificate of lawfulness which is quite ironic given that the proposal is

To turn down the building much better sited are not lawfulness which is quite ironic given that the proposal is to turn down the building much better sited and not in open countryside. this is a new building but it won’t add to the housing stock in Washington because it is replacing the existing other

This is a new building, but it won’t add to the housing stock in Washington because it is replacing the existing other small building. if you do turn this down then be left with a building of not particularly I don’t wish to be offensive to the residents of not particularly high architectural worth

Not particularly, I don’t wish to be offensive to the residents of not particularly high architectural worth in the open countryside. so I’m saying please do the sensible thing let this planning permission in effect transferred to a much better site which will do less damage to the environment less

Damage to the neighbours and what you’re leaving yourself with a lot more opportunities for biodiversity net gain for example you could ask that the demolished building site is turned over to wildflowers or shrubs of a native variety therefore enhancing the environment even example, you could ask that the demolished building site is

Turned over to wildflowers or shrubs of our native variety therefore enhancing the environment even more. Thank you. thank you are or a couple of things that I very much I will be advised blogger emerged out that we could impose a condition about wildflowers but it will be

Thank you a couple of things that I very much I will be advised by very much doubt that we could impose a condition about wildflowers, but it will be an impossible. yeah we can we can impose a condition be like a of wild flower seed mix because he can you consider with

Companies within what are the source said from the local area, so they all native species, so we can we can’t do that. yes and they agenda and just say that they subject certificate of lawful development is is not something that yes, and they agenda and just say that they subject for a

Certificate of lawful development is is not something that we. grounds in any sort of discretion if if if the facts are made out that the building has been occupied as a residents for a certain number of years yes please obviously when determining the certificate you’re not looking at Planning

Policy you’re looking at the facts in front of you here and that the use has been there universe evidence-based tests not looking at planning policy, you’re looking at the facts in front of you and that the use has been there universe for sessions. It’s an evidence-based tests, not planning policy

Councillor Ganley with regard to isolation on my right in thinking that the main consideration not exclusively but the main consideration is access to services in Councillor Ganley, with regard to isolation, am I right in thinking that the main consideration not exclusively, but the main consideration is access to services in particular?

Again but not limited to grocery shopping am I right in that interpretation of isolation yeah yes again, but not limited to grocery shopping, am I right in that interpretation of isolation yeah, yes? in this case no because we thought were talking about one for one replacement that is an existing dwelling there yeah

There has people travelling back and forth they want to demolish that so the building subject to the lawful development certificate so get rid of that and build this House in its place so that we know there should be no noticeable increase in traffic and therefore we not we’re

Not saying when making a sustainability of location argument of argument is that this has more it doesn’t have a similar landscape impact to the existing that’s or officers issue with it so not not sustainability of location location with with respect doesn’t have a similar landscape impact to the existing

That’s or officers issue with it, so not not sustainability of location. With with respect, I with respect I will with respect, I will. I would not as against either referring to accounting MASH mattering we we we must we must have the mattering

Councillor Ganley I was not I wish I was looking in general terms was not just in respect to this application but in general terms the definition of Councillor gang me I was not I wish I was looking in general terms was not just in respect to this application

But in general terms the definition of isolation particularly not exclusively but particularly refers to the services and in particular but not isolation, particularly not exclusively, but particularly refers to the services and, in particular, but not exclusively. to to shopping. store local store local shop stall at a local store, local shop.

That’s the main woman in principle consideration are not the only 1 am I right that’s the main principle consideration, but not the only one, I’m all right. in terms of our Chairman or in terms of density of deciding whether that societies in an isolated position yes you

Would say that Moore and what we are saying in this case is that there is an existing development as young allowed subject to lawful development certificate as allowed a new house in the on the site so this current proposal is not proposing a new one by is essentially asking what that

House there has been allowed and then subsequently granted permission for its replacement to be going to a different location within the overall site not been approved subsequently granted permission for its replacement to be going to a different location within the overall site, not necessarily where it’s been approved to go on.

Question by accommodation when not applying that in this sense because of IT of that replacement one for idea question by accommodation when not applying that in this sense, because of IT of that replacement 1 4 1 asthma as the idea mooted to.

But we also that it would have a detrimental effect on the A and B because of the street scene and the extension of development along the frontage of the Lane yes yes yes Councillor Drayson so never mind they of development along the frontage of the Lane, yes, yes,

Yes, Councillor Drayson, so never mind they Councillor Burgess, yes can I just sort of clarify a couple of what we’re saying now is where the existing planning application exists and the lawful Development. certificate is away from the main road it’s and so therefore

Certificate is away from the main road, it’s out of sight, and so therefore it has smaller impact on the A and N B and if we allowed it to transferred that from smaller impact on the A and N B, and if we allowed it to transferred that front.

Site that we looked at on Tuesday so that’s that’s the that’s I did put up Sheryl potentially the refusal I think some of us are a bit concerned about ending up with three buildings on the site I think that that if I recall the

Discussion at the last Planning Committee that was one of the reasons why I was worried about it and so when we do the Section 1 0 6 if we agree if we approve and we go for a 1 0 6 could we insist that that current building the green

Building is demolished before any work commences on the new development at the front a 1 0 6 could we insist that that current Building the green building is demolished before any work commences on the new development at the front, the site listens to one listen to an answer that.

I mean I thought understood that the demolition was to be was part of the application I mean, I thought understood that the demolition was to be was part of the application. so it Sinclair’s it’s included in the the application for the demolition of the lawful dwelling it is pursuance of

Part of the application but obviously in terms of framing the 1 0 6 you could link it into another number of of matters so you could link that within within 1 0 6, you could link it into another number of of matters, so you could link that within within, but it’s obviously

It’s part of the the applications before the applications before you, so you’re saying that vote with the seek this this seek does just to clarify that the sequence of demolition and building could be done within the section 1 0 6 we don’t need to worry too much here today about the

Just to clarify the sequence of demolition and building, could be done within the section 1 0 6 we don’t need to worry too much here today about the sequence. yeah on on that yeah on on that point. it yeah we can we can yeah, we can we can.

Within the section 1 0 6 he can specify that the existing dwelling is demolished at some point whether that is because within the section 1 0 6, he can specify that the existing dwelling is demolished at some point, whether that is before. construction of the new one it would probably depends on

The circumstances so if the existing dwelling was all keep void if you’d be unreasonable there’s going to have to demolish that move out then build the health if you see what I mean say we can we Kensal to change wording and say within three months of the completion of the

What it means, say we can we Kensal to change wording and say within three months of the completion of the new dwelling, the existing dwelling subject to the LDC shall be demolished was to build extinguished et cetera et cetera so it I think it would be a conversations have with the

Applicant when we negotiate the Section 1 0 6 if we end up demolished was to build extinguished, et cetera, et cetera, so I think it’d be a conversations have with the applicant when we negotiate the Section 1 0 6 if we end up thank you I I’ve got I’ve got Council Drayson

Field then thank you, I, I’ve got I’ve got Council, Drayson 1 Councillor Field, then Councillor grammar. and and and and Councillors. Gill alright Councillor staggers you’ve got to do alright Councillor standards, you’ve got to leave Welsh. sorry you go sorry, UK first brought.

I stopped because a legal right I thought last time and to some time sums extent we’ve done it now we keep concentrating on the original 1 and stopping that one and not discussing the actual building that’s proposed now and and its size and and the reasons for the duties for refusal

As a side of that proposed building we’re spending more time talking about getting rid of the other one and stopping a third building possibly being built rather than discussing that one which I haven’t got a problem with the ribbon it because it it’s in fit in keeping with that but

It is a bit large to be that close to the edge and I’ve got problems with with that building and the questions about getting rid of the other one along with the officers recommendations. would you give way to Councillor Field gauges sign Councillor Jason said literally was going to say anyway

Councillor Field isn’t thank you for letting me know it’s not Councillor Drayson, said literally was going to say anyway, Councillor Field, isn’t thank you for letting me come back, I know it’s not normal practice. just a couple of things rarely festival the position of

This House at the front of this site that stretch of Atkinson Road as we’ve all agreed I think is driven development and sufficiently urban to be able to have growing screening at the front you could have hedges or trees it wouldn’t be out of place as it would in a truly

Isolated place in open countryside is thing one one thing to it has been a lot of talk about shopping in this subject isolated place in open countryside is thing One and thing to is there’s been a lot of talk about shopping in this meeting a subject dear to my heart. now

Not all villages have shops that I represent four of them which don’t have a shop and the only blocked people in villages shopping his lack of mobile phone connection because we don’t get in our cars because on the internet and order it in so not not having a shop nearby doesn’t

Mean it’s isolated and therefore not sustainable because we don’t get in our cars because on the internet and order it in so not not having a shop nearby doesn’t mean it’s isolated and therefore not sustainable. thank you. yes ma Matthew Worsley with which is something

Yes, ma, Matthew Worsley wicked witches wishes to add something. just briefly just briefly. I think yeah I just if we have a look at the aerial I think, yeah I just if we have a look at the aerial photography. is being prepared to thrive in development that this

Stretch of the road Lane High School a number undeveloped is being prepared to thrive in development that this stretch of the road Lane High School, a number of open, undeveloped gap. 38th 38th I appreciate all I would say it’s fairly loose ribbon of development councillors can see for themselves and the OS

Topography we saw him filling gaps you get true ribbon development and a continuous line those houses in the countryside that’s officers issue with this thank topography, we saw him filling gas, you get true ribbon development and a continuous line, those houses in the countryside, that’s officers issue with this, thank you.

Is that there’s somebody else swished is that there’s somebody else wish to speak? I think I have to say that because part of I think I have to say that, because paragraph 1.2 unreasonable dwellings overall height large footprint volume and overall scale and mass would represent a bulky

Visually intrusive and overbearing dwelling that would appear incongruous in its location and volume and overall scale and mass would represent a bulky, visually intrusive and overbearing dwelling that would appear incongruous in its location and siting. the other point of course is that is described as a

Replacement dwelling but it’s at least 75 metres away from the from this the other point, of course, is that it described as a replacement dwelling, but it’s at least 75 metres away from me from this. the original dwelling I can’t really see how that could be

Described as a replacement to any cannot let me know the original dwelling, I can’t really see how that could be described as a replacement to any cannot, let me know. well if you read paragraph 1 point to you’ll see very valid reasons for refusing thank you

Well, if you read paragraph 1.2 you’ll see very valid reasons for refusing, thank you. again it comes back to what we discussed earlier about it’s not exactly president with consistency you know just where where do you stop if if you allow again, it comes back to what we discussed earlier about,

It’s not exactly president, with consistency, you know just where where do you stop, if you if you allow one? the the what why why not another you elected councillors might consider there’s a special consideration here but just taking it in itself a house on that site very very

Might consider there’s a special consideration here, but just taking it in itself a house on that site very, very large. very near the village very near, the very near the road. then why not another one next to it Councillor Jason yeah thank you Chair I’d like to propose that we accept the

Recommendations of the officers and then why not another one next to it Councillor Jason, thank you Chair. I would like to propose that we accept the recommendations of the officers and refuse, in this case Councillor Stangos Councillor Stangos seconds. he has he hasn’t. do other councils wish to speak

Do other councils wish to speak no, no? at one little comment that you’re saying that you’re going to fill in in all of these but we can only do it because there is an existing building and those pictures of empty fields could never apply for permission

To fill in and all of these, but we can only do it because there is an existing building and those pictures of empty councillors, it’s going to the vote. fields could never apply for permission in the same way. I’m sure that allows special the proposal is to accept the officers recommendation which

Is refusal so those in favour of refusal please raise your the proposal is to accept the officers recommendation, which is refusal, so those in favour of refusal, please raise your hands. those in favour of those in favour of acceptance. to and any abstentions identical warning no

To and any abstentions, identical warning now so. so the the application is refused the officers accept a recommendation is accepted that was 11 votes for 2 so the the application is refused, the officers accept recommendation is accepted, that was 11 votes for two against. thank you very much.

And agenda item number 13 we note the date and time for