In this webinar, the panel discusses the challenges on poultry farms during the colder months.
Neogen, experts in food and animal safety, answer your questions on poultry hygiene and biosecurity.
Very warm welcome to our Neen webinar on learning how to overcome biocurity challenges during the winter months on a poultry farm I’m Grace and I’m the marketing coordinator for animal safety at Neen um and I look after Europe Middle East Africa and India so during this webinar audience members can ask
Questions and we are able to put it directly to the panel or we’ be able to answer it afterwards the webinar is expected to last for around an hour and afterwards it’ll be available on demand and you’ll get an email to know when the recording is ready for viewing so to
Introduce our panel we have Tony Pearson um he is our technical support manager for Neen here in the UK and then we also have our poultry Farmers joining the call today um so Rick and Dave venables who Farm holly tree farm um so hi Tony
Uh is it okay if I call you Tony or is it Anthony no all good uh typically customers in Europe call me Tony uh in the Middle East they call me engineer and in Asia I’ll be in Asia next week they call me Dr Anthony although I’m not
A doctor so thank you for joining us today so would you please be able to share your experience with the audience sure Grace well I’ve been in the animal production bi security hygiene uh specializing in pathogen pathogen control now for about 35 years 33 years was with one company and I
Joined nein about a year ago um I’ve been working globally so I engage the winter in the North and the southern hemispheres um luckily enough to have been on farms in over 70 countries actually so I can now share those experiences tips and ideas um with the
Permission of the creators of course um with with Farmers here in the UK and in Europe okay yeah that’s great thanks Tony um so hi Rick and Dave thank you for also joining us today can you share your experience with the audience as well so uh we uh poultry Farmers uh just
Uh in in Cheshire um we we have uh about 14,000 laying hands um half of them are free range half of them are barn um and we B we retail all the eggs ourselves off the side of the road at the farm here so we don’t have any
Contracts or anything um so yeah so we we are looking to to expand again shortly to go to about 20,000 Birds um because we always short of eggs um so yeah so we are also a mixed Farm we have sheep and beef as well so that’s what we do yeah that’s great
Thank you um so we have just around 50 minutes together so we’ll get the questions from the audience but um firstly can I ask each of you what you feel are additional challenges in the winter months for boiler prediction sorry boiler production um and egly and
Chickens in particular um but as well as poultry in general um um well bir bird flu are major issue this time of the year um we’re concerned you know with letting the birds out but there doesn’t seem quite as much bird flu this year um the only other challeng
Is very cold days when we’re releasing the birds out uh but up to now this year we go fairly well and you Tony um well Grace I guess one of the biggest challenges in in the winter really like we we sort of feel that the the the dark Mornings in the dark nights
And I’m sure the guys agree when they they’re getting out there at 5: in the morning and it’s still black and they come in at night it’s still black um that’s sort really compounds the problems because we’re doing a lot of the the essential work is being done in
The dark for example cleaning out the housing um even you know letting the birds out letting the birds in all that type of stuff placing chicks with with broilers um all the doors are open it’s cold mornings you know you got to choose your times controlling the ventilation
Um especially what we’ve noticed uh the last year or two the inconsistent temperature so I was in Rochdale yesterday it was like seven or eight I’m in Essex today and it’s not going to go above freezing so that you know you’ve got a quite a a risk there different
Pressures of air um and as Dave mentioned the even influenza risks they always come this time of year because of the migration AR aspect of that um the global climate change has adjusted their flight paths a little bit but still um we’re getting them uh h5n1 and now quite
A lot of h5n8 as well so those you know really compound the the issues and we get respiratory challenges pretty much the same as the humans do during the winter periods so it’s really quite a challenge and then of course uh and the guys will be aware as well the rodents
Are looking for feed sources so they also become an extra challenge during the winter okay thank you so when you give the example of cleaning our housing please can you be more specific um yeah well it’s sort of a political thing so I’ll try not to upset
Anyone at the same time but with Broiler production and specifically more than the layers because the layers are not cleaning out quite as regularly that the broilers are cleaning out seven production even sometimes more per year and they have a standard operating procedure um but of course when you have
A dark morning and a dark night the guys are there in the dark literally and then some clever person will come along and say you missed a spot and they get pretty upset and things start to evolve from that um but the layer flocks of course they they don’t clean out quite
As frequently uh breeders as well depending on the pullet system um many of the Farms actually here engage uh when I say here I mean in UK engage contract cleaners and their task obviously becomes very difficult and it’s lousy you know you’re pulling those pipes up in wet weather it’s much more
Different than it is doing it in June July and August even though the temperature might be too hot and it corresponds with a short turnaround period I think for the for the layer flocks you’ve got more time you had 10 12 days sometimes but I was on a farm
Last week they were told that they had two days to clean and disinfect which to be honest isn’t physically possible and so so you know that really creates a challenge it happens you know with the production slows down um we saw it a lot during covid when there was a less
People working in the processing plants so the processing got behind so the broiler stayed on the farm longer etc etc so you really get that that challenge and of course in the winter time some of the typical chemistries like glut aldhy quat ammonium compounds that are used in in many products they
Don’t work in cold temperatures they need temperatures above 20° to work effectively um so at the same time as we’re getting more challenges we’re perhaps using chemistry that isn’t getting to the to the the heart of the problem uh we see that with the def guys
Um most of the farmers look at defra you can see disease of poultry you get one dilution salmonella you get another dilution and that’s all done at 4 degrees Centigrade so go by those guides because you they’re specifically done there to help uh help the
People um what else I can say about the cleaning well really you know it’s a choice we have resistance to chemistries I don’t want to get too technical um you know I can go into that in more detail on a farm to farm basis but don’t forget
Also the drying times are are shorter you know if you’ve only got a short turnaround you’ve got a cold day outside the floor may never actually get dry and and then you’re going to put bedding down and then Birds on top of bedding and you’re going to heat the house 35°
So pretty good bacteria Buffet going on there just before you you place the birds so it’s a lot to do and these create the the challenges it’s not that there’s more it’s just that the conditions are difficult um I know from our point of view we’re bringing back an old favorite
Farm fluid to try and overcome these these typical problems because um that’s an upgraded fenal type of chemistry that works with organic matter and even does protozoas so you know we can help and we can adjust um but yeah sorry that’s quite a lot yeah information to unpack
Um please could you talk a little bit more about the ventilation Heavens uh that’s a tough job all the year round um we saw last summer you know temperatures up to 35 36 degrees keeping the building cool was the problem now it’s heating it is the
Problem I’m sure for the guys you know we’re looking at um um the the layer flock especially those going outside we’re trying to keep the houses between sort of 18 22 degrees you know that sort of temperature and with the price of um fuel these days you know that’s not easy
Um it’s it’s a it’s a bit of a mix match um one of the main things with a controlled house is to make sure it’s sealed properly I mean the best way to check that is if you have a a contractor that’s doing thermal fogging or you’re
Doing it yourself just go and have a look where the gas escapes where the fog escapes that’s pretty much where you haven’t got the building sealed and that’s a good tip for where to make sure you do get it sealed for the help with ventilation and that type of thing so
It’s you know there’s too many buildings to give you a specific answer Grace I think you know you’ve got the tall buildings with the high spans now with 30 to 50,000 Birds you’ve got as as Rick and Dave were saying they’ve got Birds inside they’ve got birds outside you
Know it’s you really need a specialist to come and sort that out when I was farming back in the 80s that was we had a a plastic sock that went up the building um with a tunnel ventilation I don’t think people use those too much anymore and they’re very difficult to
Clean but you know today I see little vents in the side of the house trying to cool the air that goes up so it’s really I think to answer your question specifically you need you need help to to judge that but the farmers should get that you can get it from the Breeders
You can get it from carb you can get it from avagen uh they’ve got Specialists that will come around because even the birds have different temperature factors to consider so in short a well insulated well sealed roof um is great the heating system sufficient to maintain obviously the capacity and the temperatures
Minimum ventilation system and one really good thing to know is the prevailing wind direction so you’ve got positive pressure from the prevailing wind and negative pressure from uh the lewood side which means where the wind’s going away um and I’ve seen some Farms built recently that don’t look like they
Considered wind direction they and that’s difficult you know you’ve got urbanization and finding space to put a new Farm the guys said they’re expanding so you know you’re going to probably have a plan commission and three neighbors that say that’s going to increase flies um you have to get past all those little
Challenges um but yeah I think it’s a complex question sorry I can’t answer specifically I can buy house and buy Farm but I think in generalization make sure the ceiling is good and and those other factors um so did these challenges line up uh to your management considerations
For the winter too uh Rick and Dave yeah well we what we we’ve just with having a brand new house um two year Well basically two years old uh it’s exceptionally well sealed uh it’s got three intake fans and three Outlet fans uh so there’s no actual side bents so we
Don’t have to worry too much about prevailing winds um we find that uh the bound side is easier to control we can keep the litter very very dry whereas with the pop holes when they open it does release you know it lets so much outside air into the shed even though
The fans that extract the air um switch off during you know during the opening hours so as the the air is being pushed out rather than being pulled in as well at the same time so um but we find you know we do find all in all that a well sealed unit
You know when it is absolutely completely sealed up Works exceptionally well and we don’t have any issues with wet bedding or um sort um what was I going to say about um uh we don’t have any problems with um sort of oh what’s the word can’t think of the word
Now um go on you take over um yeah basically as we don’t have any Dam you know with it being quite a new building that is our Beauty whereas I suppose we have got one old unit that was still running and if there’s sort of any issues that that’s sort of the the
Shed that’s going to give the issues because again the ventilation is not not as good and and things like that which that’s the reason being to why we’re we’re GNA hopefully expand and go further and and and have another shed and get rid of this one cuz now we’ve had a new shed
On part of the farm um the management side and everything to to the new shed is is far far easier and uh and everything the birds are healthier as well you know the birds are happy they they lay better they lay better and and everything else yeah last
Go thank you um that’s okay don’t worry that’s okay out get rid of um the the other the dog stop get out the um the other thing we find is uh with the new sh we we don’t get any Vermin um and vermin’s a massive thing like before we were on Liberty livestock
Sheds with flat deck systems um and and rats were just a we’re just a big problem uh no matter how much you try and get on top of verman it’s It’s a difficult situation you’re in um because theyve obviously always got fresh feed to feed on um so
The big the other big thing for us has been vering you know with the vering control is is you know we’ve sort of eradicated it almost it’s fantastic um so yeah so it’s it’s good really so I guess that’s with um with the sealed building as you mentioned so
So Grace that’s sort of like you ask the question does it aign I think it does and and what Rick mentioned about the the older shed of course if you haven’t got it sealed you’ve got temperature fluctuation that’s why the birds are eating more corn and their metabolizable
Energy is going in to keep him warm not giving him the eggs that he needs to sell by the side of the road so that’s uh all all relevant although we’re not we’re not here to get a commission or promote new buildings but it sounds like
New buildings is quite a way to go yeah well we we going back to the the feed feed on it as well you know we probably feeding 140 445 grams of feed a day to to again eradicating that down to about 124 125 grams so again it’s uh you know
The ventilation it proves ventilation ventilation is is key yeah great thank you um so another question that was sent in um is uh face what feels like many challenges we resort to the most dangerous formal in for a final disinfection applied as a fog um we know that the safety has to be
Good so that the teams have full kit uh what else would be good um Tony can I ask you this one wow yeah that’s another political question um yeah formalin has often been referred to as the belt and braces application um it is a chemistry that’s called a chemistry for substitution but
I started farming back in the 80s and people are still using formula in today and we were told not to use it back in the 80s so it really is the the sort of the chemistry um it’s known not to be very safe as as the as the person asking
The question mentioned because of the lingering gaseous phase so if you do use that type of chemistry you can’t go back in the house after you’ve used it for quite some time um and very often you’ll see a farm will have to especially in the short turnarounds open the
Ventilation to let the gas out which cools the building down and then you got to heat it back up again so it’s quite a quite a challenge so does it yeah is it a good chemistry yes it it is um it’s a good bioy and as a thermal fog it really
Has that smokiness that sort of gets to all the places that that you need to it does need warmth um if the building isn’t up to 20° centigrade that even that chemistry is not going to work uh very well um the aldah specifically needs that and preheating the houses
These days again is very costly um so I would have thought you know a liquid solution probably would be as good so the the client asks or the the questionnaire asks what else um again thinking about those short turn short turnaround times um gosh if they could
Be managed better then the hygiene would have more time maybe you wouldn’t need a belt and braces because you could do everything quite clearly with residual chemistry being the better option that’ll give a bacteria static and by that I mean glut aldhy glut Al po ponum they could be used as a thermop
Fog um certainly you know the focus we have very often is the the birds are on the ground so we’re concentrating everything around the floor areas and maybe a meter up the wall but going back to the ventilation don’t forget that the hot air rises so there’s quite a lot of
Bacteria up in the roof um and if we don’t get the fog up there ideally with a residual chemistry because that will give us a bacteria static effect you know when you do turn on your ventilation that comes back down which is why we very often see um not sure
With the layer side because that’s constant but with the boilers the ventilation is probably coming on day 12 day 14 and by day 17 we’re seeing more problems that’s probably because the bacteria has come from the seiling down to the ground um so uh doesn’t answer exactly but formuling
Yes it’s not a bad chemistry but you do have to be very safe with it uh we the protective wear I guess that’s what he meant or she meant by full kit full kit means a respiration kit um uh fully covered don’t go back in the building
For 48 hours that can also be costly 48 Hours of no production so think about the glut alide or quinary glut alide even better um um and also phenolic is a good option phenolic chemistry because it’s robustness also fogs very well um I saw there was a team from SK poultry
Recently got a really nice fogging machine so they can do it quite quickly um I haven’t been to see it physically yet but I saw it online and I spoke to Mr Kenworthy about that so there is equipment there to help as well with with other chemistries so yeah formalin
If you’re going to use it be very very careful um and don’t forget that is going to cause a downtime uh in production um from a Neen perspective I I should probably tell you what we have available for that so we have a synergize which is a quinary gluto alahh
Which is great and that with the residual chemistry will have that bacterio static effect and also as I mentioned before we’re bringing back F fluid and you can thermop fog that and that’s another option um you know I’ll be happy to talk to the to the customer
More about that if they want to thank you Tony um so Rick do you resort to formalin sometimes or what are you using at the moment no we well we washed the shut out for the first time back in July AUST time yeah beginning of August um so we just used General disinfectant
Didn’t we just a general one um steam clean well yeah pressure washed all the all the the the system off and uh then just sprayed a disinfectant over it after again we we weren’t didn’t weren’t allowed in there for 24 hours after um so yeah but that was just a general
Disinfectant yeah it sounds like that was probably a glut alide type of chemistry if he weren to in for 24 hours I imagine yeah yeah that gives you a residual so so what that does guys it’ll give you a residual content on these on the concrete Ser on the I say concrete
The semi por service will have some residuality of that chemistry until it biodegrades so 10 or 12 days of like a bacteria static effect yeah yeah yeah and obviously it’s all quite new to us because some people said to us oh dry clean it off and disinfectant and you
Know we had so it was all quite new for us this time we’ll probably uh look into it a bit more this next time what chemicals we do actually use yeah I mean I mean you’ve got a you’ve got a good contact now Haven you
Yeah um okay so it’s all right so our next question uh from the audience so we are all trying to use less antibiotics these days and many guides tell us that the disinfection products are long lasting how long is long lasting and can they really carry on protecting the
Birds uh Tony this sounds interesting what are your thoughts yeah um good one um absolutely about the antibiotics so since 2014 I think the legisl a came in that people should use less antibiotics and according to the vet magazine a couple of weeks ago the 2022
Was the least by antibiotics used in the UK for since that came in so for the last eight years um but that that also has to coincide with better management practices um as Rick and Dave said the new building they obviously getting less challenges in the new building so you
Know those are the things those are the management tools that that sort of help that um is a disinfection longlasting yes in so much as it depends how you view that if you’re thinking of the environment and you said is it biodegradable if it’s long lasting it
Can’t be biodegradable so if it’s or or it’s slower to biodegrade so a company might just say it’s longlasting because it’s not biodegradable but in a semi-porous surface or a porous surface yes you will have a residual effect of the application that you you’ve applied from chemistries such as gluto alahh
Utonium iodine phenolic they’re all what we would call a residual chemistry because they will reside in the concrete pores for up to 10 12 days until they until they buy theg grade they’re not bi aidlin so much as if you have applied a product for an example at a 1% dilution
What is left residing in the concrete is no longer 1% because you’ve used up some of the capacity but it will have um a bacteria static effect um and and form alide as well to some extent um the non-residual chemistries are monosulfates hydron peroxides partic acids you apply those and as soon as
They’re dry they’re gone there is no residual um effect of those so does that really help um I think in in Rick and Dave’s case it probably you know helped for the first few days when they put the birds in there the same as it does for broilers um because remember we’re
Heating that house up to 35° when we placed Broiler chicks sometimes 37 depending on your breeds um it depends where those birds came from in the point of lay which means were they from week 27 or week 67 or people don’t go quite as long as that perhaps 52 they they are
Of a different standard or a different health status very often and you know you you you’ve got so much happening in that first week um very often a hatchery will say that’s the responsibility of the farm and the farm will say that’s the responsibility of the Hatchery because it’s the chicks
Have just come from from them but that first few days if you’ve got that bacteria static effect from residual chemistry I think that is good um it will help it’s not a medication so if you get a challenge you’ve still got to make some sort of um a
Treatment um so it’s resigning for sort of s to 10 days um and I think that’s what most of the literature will guide from from the labels so that’s protecting the birds as I said protection is a bit of a stretch it’s certainly a benefit to assist reduce the bacterial replication
In that first week um of course the the chicks have got maternal antibodies that first week as well everything sort of comes to an end at the same time the residuality will finish around day 10 day 11 the maternal antibodies will also finish around day 10 day 11 so you know
It’s it’s a help it’s definitely a help um but but like I said after 10 days there’s not really anything going on um in the UK we we don’t do certain things that we do in other parts of the world in other markets um we have a way of
Reducing the pathogen pressure if there’s for example um a respiratory challenge in that first week or the first 15 days whatever they they can actually apply a chemistry to try and reduce that in the house um again it’s not a medication it’s just a way of trying to reduce
Pathogen pressure um in our case of course that’s a Neen roide super type product sprayed uh 2 meters above the birds and that reduces the pressure it’s not disinfecting so I I think you know that the veterinarians are the ones to really guide on this sort of area if
There’s a challenge you know the animals the birds have to be treated um you can’t ignore ignore that but certainly we can do better management use residual chemistries have new buildings as Rick and Dave said uh better ventilation you’ve got better health um and that was that’s certainly going to
Help so uh Rick and Dave are you using probiotics or any other methods to reduce the pathogen pressure no not at the moment we’re not no at the moment everything seems to be healthy uh so you know it alls well we just leave it alone I we we we very rare
We do ever have any any issues but if we ever had a ever had a challenge you know the old buildings you know you got the old challenge in the old buildings sort of thing but yeah up up to now we’ve been been totally fine with the with
Where we’re going yeah I think then it’s it’s really Grace they they it’s more of a trend so as as Rick was saying they they sort of expect something might happen in the older building but the newer building is not happening so probably when you do come to that
Disinfection again at the end of of that cycle of the old building you know it may pay to do something with residual chemistry in there just as a just as a thought um to to drive that forward um so it looks like uh we might
Be running out of some time so Rick and Dave can you summarize for us um are you ready for winter yeah yeah I’m ready for winter yeah Ian I mean we we don’t change a lot in what we do because we’re very family run based so it’s only really me and Dad
That go into the birds anyway uh we’re not really we don’t really let any staff or anything in there um well we only have one member of Staff anyway but generally it’s it’s it’s only us two that that go in the birds anyway which is quite good um we obviously
Disinfect uh feet before we go in we change Wellies then before we go into the birds and we just try and do everything we can to to minimalize sort of any disease going into the birds and uh obviously last year was a was a massive probably wakeup call with bird
Flu been as bad as what it was H and we we were extra Keen then but I think we we sort of just carried on the routine from that we haven’t really let it slip that much um and I think that’s quite important and once you get into that
Routine of doing something it’s just like an everyday thing is it it’s you know so that’s where we so we’re quite you know we yeah I think we’ll win so did you did you have to keep the birds in when when when because I think de was recommending keep them in wouldn’t they
Yeah I think it was from about the oh was it about the 18th to 20th of October last year through to end of March this year end of April end of April ail was that’s a lot five months I think we had we had an odd month where we had to
Sell everything as Barn eggs we had to change the codes okay yes I think probably everybody had to do that then yeah because there also it was the whole you know the whole industry yeah yeah the whole industry there is um I mean you mentioned that at
The boot dips and that’s great um also if there is again if the migration does come in your direction again if you um sprinkle agricultural lime around the outside of the houses that changes the pH of the environment so the virus won’t survive um so so a influenza really the
H5n1 and even the h5n8 they’re more or less looking at a stability of around 4 and a half to 9 pH so it doesn’t mean you can’t inactivate them either within that range it just means that they’re very unstable outside of that range so um just sharing an idea
What we do in in Asia and particularly in China as well um they sprinkle the agricultural all around the outside of the building changes the pH of the environment and it’s quite cheap it’s not too expensive so if the birds do come and defecate in that area the the virus won’t
Survive um just as a side tip really we spr outside Pooles dad it just do you um sprinkle outside of the pop holes the the um yes um so so basically you know you can either use an acid or an alkaline type of of product um I tend
To use agricultural line because it’s readily available and it’s cheap you know and and basically changing the environment reduces the longevity of a virus challenge it doesn’t prevent it I mean the defecation will still come the bird will still come there and the challenge of course with the outside
Birds is there’s bits of feed all over the place so you know it’s like they’re flying past and they think oh there’s a motel I’m just going to pop down there and have a bit of food and before a bird takes off you very often see it
Defecates I mean makes sense to be fair it’s lighter when it takes off um so that’s typically what what happens and leaves the the stuff behind but that will not survive in a in a low acid or a high alkaline environment that’s brilliant yeah interesting that so Tony are you ready for
Winter personally no I’m I’m going to Asia I’m I’m going to Vietnam tomorrow to see some customers over there and it’s 32 degrees so I’m zero here today in Essex so I’ll be quite happy with that um but yeah I mean generally speaking it it is a really tough time um
Here in the UK and across Europe we will expect a influenza coming probably at the latest January it’s you can’t avoid it because the bird migration comes every year it moves moves slightly and I think that might be something to do with global warming if if you politically
Believe in that or if you don’t politically believe in that they’re still coming further north than they were before so something is driving them that little bit further up so we did get um The h5n8 Challenge across the South last year it didn’t reach Cheshire that was
Still h5n1 I believe um so we have to be prepared for that we know it’s coming and that’s the time to make sure you know you’ve got product AA available you’ve got the boot dips ready um Rick and Dave is quite simple there’s nobody coming to the farm so they don’t have
The challenge of people wandering around and and all that um very difficult if you’ve got a farm where there’s a public footpath going through it um that is that is a nightmare because all sorts of people are wandering around and dogs and cats and things so from a Winter’s
Perspective you’ve really got to try and have time in a broiler section for cleaning out the houses you know there’s nothing replacing the clean and disinfect to reduce that pathogen pressure um at the end of the cycle so it’s about teamwork you know that’s what I always say some of the large
Operations and integrators they’ve got teams with multi-kill sets they probably have a ventilation expert they probably have a b security expert Rick and Dave are all of those wrapped into one as well as feeding and selling the eggs by the side of the road so you know every
Farm is going to be different um when we think of the the veterinarians when we think of the nutritionists you know it’s really working together and thinking about the winter making sure the buildings are sealed the rodents are definitely going to be more active um Rick mentioned new
Building less roaden well no Vermin problems you know so this is a big challenge because over the last three or four years the the bait that is available to us has become pretty innoxious I mean you know it’s probably quicker to go out there with a hammer
And hit them on the head although politically I shouldn’t say that but it’s very difficult to to find a bait that that is going to Target the the the rodents um but professional companies come out they can help of course and and we have to make sure that that’s that’s
Carried through it’s it’s all part of as I said working together as a team and when we come to the winter don’t forget that chemistries need warmth when you think about glutaral and quat ammoniums so think about rotating that chemistry and Rick mentioned they cleaned in July no problem you can use practically
Anything in July you know you’re going to have temperatures around 18 to 25 um and we must remember it’s not just the temperature of the air it’s the temperature of the water with which you make the chemistry solution so I’m pretty sure now the groundwater in Yorkshire for example is probably six or
Eight so by the time you mix up the product put it into a building which today is around 12° it’s not going to work as well as we think so you could increase the dilution or or rotate the chemistry um that would be a a typical
Support in that um and always make sure you include the contract cleaners in your decision process because there’s no point telling somebody to do something if they don’t if they haven’t got the equipment to do it um there is a particular chemistry I’m not going to go
Into it politically but has been advised and it doesn’t come out of the boom so the contract cleaners are ringing us and saying what can they do and we politely explain to them that’s not ours that’s somebody else’s so maybe ask them what you should be do um because it’s
Crystallizing as it as as they tried to apply it so again you’ve got to make sure that everything works together um but going to your original question at the beginning you know it doesn’t matter whether you’ve got broilers layers turkeys breeders you’ve really got to work together as a team
The poultry is all going in the same direction they’re all trying to reduce antibiotics the winter the metabolizable energy if we don’t have those buildings controlled the birds they don’t produce they just eat and keep them sustain themselves which is what they should do but you know you have to have different
Management skills at that time of year and don’t forget you can always ask the Breeders you know as I mentioned before they’ve got great experts you know cob is based here at I think in Essex actually um and aen as well we’ve got the Scottish team they can come and
Help with the ventilation help with the birds give you advice don’t don’t feel isolated you know it’s nothing wrong with reaching out and saying guys I’ve got to challenge heal you know we’re not we’re not an isolated island or we shouldn’t be um I learned that over the
Last 33 years I’m just here to help because it’s great that we can share experiences around the world like the agricultural line I hadn’t seen anybody do that in the UK I brought that idea back from from overseas and um even the uh the folks in Brazil doing this
Replacing the formalin with a with an alahh during the cycle we wouldn’t dream of doing that but they can do it very safely and they they really do a very good job so yeah it’s been nice to to meet Rick and Dave and um I’ll come and have a cup
Of tea one day hopefully next time next next July when you when you’re disinfected again we are actually we’re doing one just after Christmas actually all right okay okay and see us sooner rather than later that that might be that yeah of course because it’s winter time I will
Be in um I’m in Chile in February but uh I will be around in January time yeah yeah January we wash down again on shed uh sort at beginning of January so yeah that’s great okay grace yeah I think that might be your the time we have for questions
Uh this evening um so I’d just like to thank Tony Rick and Dave for their time and their expertise so this webinar recording will soon be available on demand and you’ll also get an email to let you know when it’s ready to be viewed um and hope that I hope that the
Time you’ve invested this evening has left you with a greater understanding of the topic and giving you some food for thought on how to proceed with the choices that you’re making in your business so on behalf of the panelists and myself a huge thank you to all of
You for joining us this evening and good night and also the thanks to Farmers weekly for arranging uh Grace
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Will heat exchanger be a good thing in a broiler breeder house