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UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak faces a party rebellion as he hopes to revive the controversial Rwanda migration plan.

MPs on the right want him to ignore rights obligations, while centrists want the prime minister to protect the UK’s human rights credentials.

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak takes questions in parliament.

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To the annual earnings of full-time workers Bruce Jones thank you madam Deputy speaker and we’re all thinking of the lovely glennis K and her family especially the honorable member for Aban at this time but the number of emergency food Parcels distributed by the trussle order does it occur to honorable members

That when they’re speaking at normal speaking tone rather than Whispering while a member is asking a question that it’s really rude and discourteous Ruth Jones thank you madam Deputy speaker the number of emergency food Parcels distributed by trussle trust food banks in Newport West is on

The rise in 2018 the number of parcels distributed was 9 1,971 in the same period this year over 3,000 were distributed to families there was nothing in the auton statement that would make this situation better why not well Madam Deputy speaker I must with respect disagree with the honorable lady

The fact that inflation has been high is obviously going to be a benefit to anyone receiving food Parcels the fact that there’s been a cut in national insurance is going to be beneficial to people the fact that there’s been an increase in the living wage is going to

Be beneficial to people the fact that pensions and benefits are going up in line with inflation is going to be beneficial to people in her constituency what is not going to be beneficial to her constituents is the Welsh labor government wanting to spend over 100 million creating extra Senate members M

Madam Deputy speaker roll heel the minister will be aware that the UK EU parliamentary partnership assembly has been meeting uh in Westminster this week and one of thing uh which was particularly made clear by the co-chair Natalie wazo MEP was that glennis kinck had made a huge contribution in the

European Parliament particularly in advocating uh women’s rights and uh that it was something that she particularly wanted to record so it’s not just in this Parliament that she’ll uh be remembered for her role in politics but uh does he agree with me that cutting National Insurance contributions the

Improvement to the National living wage and The Cutting of inflation are crucial to Wells households as they are across the UK Madam Deputy speaker can I agree with my right honorable friend on all of those points first of all uh that Glenn es kinck has made an enormous

Contribution to politics in this country as has her husband to whom we send our condolences as is her son who at this very moment is also working very hard to support steel making in South Wales and it’s a pleasure to work with him on the transition board uh import tour but even

Though we have some disagreements from time to time on political matters so may I may I add to the tributes uh and support everything he said and of course agree with him that the recent changes made in the Autumn statement are going to be beneficial to people in Wales s

Zby question seven please Madame Deputy speaker Mr badam Deputy speaker I have regular in fact frequent conversations with cabinet colleagues and stakeholders to support uh the floating offshore wind industry which will create high quality jobs in Wales the government fully supports plans for up to 4 gaw of

Floating offshore wind in the Celtic Sea and is working to bring forward an additional 12 gaw through the 2030s with the potential to bring forward up to 20 billion pound worth of investment s sa thank you Madame Deputy speaker previous offshore wind developments on England’s East Coast have shown that appropriate

Planning is needed to minimize disruption to communities does my right honorable friend agree with me that the development of floating offshore wind in the Celtic Sea should see single cable corridors one to his side of the water and just one to the North Coast of Devon or cornall to reduce environmental and societal

Disruption Madam Deputy speaker I know that the electricity systems operator are currently reviewing the design of connections for offshore wind projects I met last week uh possibly earlier this week with the crown of states and also have been meeting with National Grid to discuss some of the issues around

Cabling in the reconfiguration of the grid but the actual decision as to where the cables would go uh and how many of them there are going to be is a fairly technical one which I fear I’m not really qualified to make it take a view on myself but I can assure The Honorable

Lady that I know Crown Estates and National Grid would be more than happy to talk to her about that particular issue Jim shanon thank you madam Deputy speaker can I thank the minister for his response to that question Minister any any off onshore and offshore uh wind in

The Celtic Sea SE will affect of course those fishermen in Northern Ireland as well uh can I have an assurance from the minister when it comes to any plans for uh offshore wind that the fishing organizations in Northern Ireland and down in Scotland and Wales will all have

An input into where that happens so they when it comes to fishing that they won’t be affected well Madam definitely speaker The Honorable gentleman makes a very good point that obviously in sparking a floating offshore wind industry there are certain challenges that need to be dealt with amongst various other

Government departments The Honorable gentleman has made reference to one I can assure him I’ve already had informal discussions about that and we’ll be looking to have more formal discussions with defra and other government departments to make sure that we can overcome all of the challenges that that

Uh uh that that are there and and create a vibrant sustainable industry for the future Alex Cunningham number eight please Secretary of St Madame Deputy speaker I have regular discussions with cabinet colleagues on a variety of issues including on the cost of energy bills the government recognizes the the challenges posed by

The cost of living pressures which is why we are providing three £3,700 per household on average over 22 to 2025 to support households and individuals with the cost of living Al con thank you madam Deputy speaker the minister may not be aware of the very successful War

Wales program in the ughs which s tens of thousands of homes have their cavities and Lofts insulated saving residents in Neath port tobert and rexam hundreds of pounds every year does the government recognize that concentrated schemes of this nature have a major impact on fuel poverty and will

Ministers steal our plans which will see hundreds of thousands more households benefit Madam Madame Deputy speaker I’m well aware that there are a number of renewable energy schemes that could have a positive benefit on householders in Wales which is why the UK government have been so supporting of the potential

For floating offshore wind in the Celtic Sea why we recently uh during the last round arranged strike prices higher strike prices for tidal energy so we’re looking at a wide range of renewable energy systems that can bring benefits to people in Wells and at the same time recognizing the cost of living pressures

The UK government has spent uh has made sure we were paying around half the average fuel bills for homeowners during the last winter period Alexander staffer question n please mad speaker Minister thank you Madame Deputy speaker last week I had the pleasure of talking to Farmers at the Royal Welsh winter fair

And livestock markets in sunbridge and talibon in my own constituency the UK government is committed to backing Welsh farming most notably by allocating over 900 million pound to the Welsh government this delivers on our Manifesto commitment to maintain funding to Farmers and land managers at 2019 levels Alexander Stafford thank you very

Much indeed M deput speaker Farmers across the UK from those in the country of Wales to the Village of Wales and Ro the valley facing creating pressures the minister will know that I’m holding my next Farmers Forum with the farming Minister early next year in R the valley

But what is she doing support farmers in the country of Wales farmers in the village of Wales in R Valley and Farmers across the whole of R Valley and the whole of the UK yeah thank you madam Deputy speaker I congratulate my honorable friend on his work ensuring

That the voice of farming is heard by the minister my honorable friend like me understands that farmers across this country are the Beating Heart of the rural economy driving growth in rural constituencies like mine which I must say is in stark contrast to the attitude of the party opposite in Wales who have

Already cut 37 million pound from the Welsh agriculture budget we wait with trapid madis Deputy speaker to see what damage they will do to Welsh Farmers next week Alexander oh no ST D I think it just proves a point that members are not not paying the least bit of attention

To this colleague who is about to speak who couldn’t even hear his name being called it’s really rude to keep on talking when someone else is trying to ask an important question Steven Dy [Applause] speak better be a good one M speaker thank you for your generos

And may also pay tribute to my very good friend friends in the kinck family on the loss of of glennis who was a dear friend to all of us and also on the on the sad death of the former member for RONA um can I ask the um Secretary of State constituents

In really has to do number 11 Minister thank you uh thank you madam Deputy speaker very to here thank you Minister thank you this is this is going well um thank you madam Deputy speaker with your permission I will answer questions 11 and 12 together the UK government is

Committed to building a strong rail infrastructure Network across Wales which will improve connectivity and drive economic growth seeing C South and P want to see a Station built in s melons Parkway that will require important work on the southwell’s main line for Relief lines will she meet with

Me and colleagues um with the rail minister to make sure that important National investment is done to ensure that station can go ahead I’d be delighted to meet with the honorable gentlemen to discuss that and the investment that the UK government is already putting into rail infrastructure in

Wales Chris arore Speaker the Secretary of State and the minister should know that I’ve campaigned for years to close the dangerous level crossing in pen covid in my opore constituency there’s been no leveling up funding no transport bid funding approved for any of those applications can the minister please

Talk to DFT officials to resolve this rather than allowing DFT officials to keep announcing more and more rail Services which is closes the crossing by stealth it’s not acceptable for my constituents thank you madam Deputy speaker I worked very well with the honorable gentleman when I was in the

Government Whip’s office and I very much look forward to doing so so I will certainly write to him and offer a meeting to discuss that order that concludes questions to the Secretary of State for Wales and just before we proceed to prime minister’s questions many colleagues

Have asked me to pass on their best wishes to Mr Speaker in his absence I’m happy to inform the house that although Mr Speaker has tested positive for covid and therefore can’t be present here in the chamber he is rapidly getting better and just as soon as that little Test

Shows negative he’ll be straight back here in his chair and so we proceed to questions to the prime minister so Michael fabricant thank you Madame Deputy speaker question number one madame Deputy speaker can I welcome you to your place and I know the whole house will wish the speaker a speedy

Recovery and before I answer my honorable friend’s question I know the whole house will also want to join me in offering our condolences to the family and friends of Alistar darling glennis kinnick and Lord James Douglas Hamilton they made each an enormous contribution to public life and will be deeply missed

Madame Deputy speaker the hillsbor families have suffered multiple injustices the loss of 97 lives the blaming of the fans and the in unforgivable institutional defensiveness by public bodies I’m profoundly sorry for what they have been through today the government has published its response to Bishop James Jones’s report

To ensure the pain and the suffering of the hillsbor families is not repeated I’m immensely grateful they have shared their experiences I hope to meet them in the new year and the Justice secretary will making an oral statement after pmqs turning to honorable friends question the government is continuing to work

Closely with the mayor of the West Midlands to fully develop his plans to deliver growth so Michael fabricant well firstly may I join the prime minister in his comments about the Hillsboro families it’s thanks to Margaret Thatcher yeah yeah and her robust treatment of militant trade unions in the West

Midlands her contribution of 10 billion pounds at today’s prices to the motor industry in the West Midlands that iconic names like jaguar and Land Rover still exist so does the Prime Minister share my boundless joy that on the road to Damascus and in recognition of her great heritage and all that she

Achieved another another Fanboy another Fanboy has joined her great belief the leader of the opposition prime minister uh well Madam Madame Deputy speaker the right honorable gentleman is a fantastic uh champion of his area and because of the pro business policies of this government I’m delighted to see the billions of

Pounds of investment by J in their move towards electrification in the region but he is absolutely right I am always happy to welcome new thrat rights from all sides of this house but it it does it does it does it does say something about the leader of the opposition that the main female

Strong leader that he could praise is Margaret Thatcher and not his own fantastic Deputy since since question one was a closed question we now go to question two Sarah champion thank you madam Deputy for question number two Madame Deputy speaker this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues

And others in addition to my duties in this house I shall have further such meetings later today Sirah champion thank you madam Deputy speaker the government is set to close the houseold support scheme in March cutting off crucial free meals for 12 12,000 Ram’s children in the lowest income families

With the government’s cost of living crisis in full swing and energy prices about to increase again how does the Prime Minister justify taking food from the mouths of my poorest children Madam Madame Deputy speaker what we are doing is ensuring that no child should grow up in poverty and

That’s why not only this year we’ve provided considerable cost of living support worth over 3,00 to a typical household more support this winter for pensioners a record increase in the National living wage and a full indexation and uplifting of welfare for the next financial year but when it

Comes to children and food manly speaker not only uh do we fund the fre School Mills for almost 2 million children we also introduced the holiday activity and food program which provides not just food but enriching activities to deprive children up and down the entire country including in her local Authority all right

Answer speaker if there is one place where everyone should feel safe it’s in their own home but the reality is that for some of the most vulnerable people home is precisely where they can be most at risk terrorized by criminals who Target them move in take control and set

Up a base camp from where they sell drugs or facilitate prostitution in a horrendous form of exploitation known as cooking it has happened in eastborn and it is happening across the country it is not an offense but it should be and wasn’t cited in the criminal justice

Bill debated last week so can I ask my right honorable friend and the Home Secretary if uh they would meet with me and concerned colleagues to further discuss the issue Minister I agree with my honorable friend that cooking is an abor practice that does often prey on the most

Vulnerable in society as part of the government’s antisocial Behavior action plan the home office engaged with relevant stakeholders about whether a new criminal offense was necessary the results of that engagement demonstrated that there are a range of existing powers that can be used to disrupt this activity but of course I’ll ensure that

The relevant Minister meets with her and updates on the work we are doing to share effective practice to tackle this abor problem leader of the opposition so St thank you madam Deputy speaker and it’s very good to see you in your place and we wish the speaker a speedy

Recovery uh this week we lost two giants of the labor family and I thank the Prime Minister for his comments Alistair darling was a man of unassuming intelligence warmth and kindness he brought a calm expertise and in private a cutting wit and devoted his love of his family was ever present our thoughts

Are with Maggie his wife Callum Anna who he loved so dearly glennis kinck was a passionate campaigner for social justice who changed lives home and abroad she was a loving and supportive partner and mother and her death is a huge loss to all of us we are thinking of Neil of Steven

Rachel and of all the family can I also Echo the prime minister’s comments in relation to Lord dougas Hamilton and relation to the Hillsboro families they deserve justice in a previous capacity I worked with the families they waited a very very long time for the findings thanks to people in this house

Um and they’ve waited a long time for this response but I’m glad it is now coming Madame Deputy speaker if the purpose of the Rwanda gimmick was to solve a political head headache of the T own making to get people out of the country who they simply couldn’t deal

With then it’s been a resounding success after all they’ve managed to send three home secretaries there an achievement for which the whole country can be grateful so apart from members of his own cabinet how many people has the Prime Minister sent to Rwanda well Madame Deputy speaker as

I’ve been clear before we will do everything it takes Mr P we will do everything it takes to get this scheme working so that we can indeed stop the votes and that’s why this week we have signed a new legally binding treaty with Rwanda which together with new legislation will address all the

Concerns that have been raised because everyone should be in no doubt about our absolute commitment to stop the boats and get flights off because Madame Deputy speaker and this is the crucial point that The Honorable gentleman doesn’t understand deterrence is critical even the National Crime agency have said that you need an effective

Removals and deterrence agreement if you truly want to break the cycle of tragedy that we see but what we heard this morning from his own ministers was that was that they would scrap the scheme even when it is operational and working as again once again Mr Speaker once

Again instead of being on the side of the British people he finds himself on the side of the people Smugglers Madam Deputy speaker when they first announced this gimmick they claimed Rwanda would settle tens of thousands of people tens of thousands of people then the deputy former prime minister quickly whittel it down to Mere hundreds then the court of appeal in June made clear this housing for just 100 the current

Number of people sent there remains stubbornly consistent zero at the same at the same time at the same time Madam Article 19 of the treaty says the parties shall make arrangements for the United Kingdom to resettle a portion of rwanda’s most rable refugees in the United Kingdom so how many refugees from Rwanda

Will be coming here to the UK under the treaty Mr Speaker what Madam Deputy speaker sorry M order prime minister that addresses all the concerns of the Supreme Court but it’s it’s a point of Pride Madame Deputy speaker that we are a compassionate country that does welcome people from

Around the world but but let’s just let me just get the honorable gentleman up to speed on what we are doing reduce the number of illegal arrivals from Albania by 90% increase the number of illegal working rates by 50% because of all the action we’ve taken the number of small

Booat arrivals down by a third Madame Deputy speaker but a could what is the honorable gentleman’s plan cuz it comes down to he just simply doesn’t have a plan to address this problem on but no no I’m probably being unfair cuz he does have a plan is to cook up a deal with

The EU that would see us accept a 100,000 elal migrants migration is trebled on his watch and all he can do is make up numbers about the labor party it’s really pitiful I’m not actually sure the Prime Minister can have read this thing article four says the scheme is capped

At rwanda’s capacity that’s 100 Article 5 says Rwanda can turn them away if they want Article 19 says we actually have to take refugees from Rwanda how much did this fantastic deal cost us prime minister Madame Deputy speaker as the Home Secretary was crystal clear about there is no incremental money

There is no incremental money that been provided this about is ensuring that the concerns of the Supreme Court have all been addressed in legally binding treaty that will allow us to operationalize the scheme but I’m glad he raised the topic of legal migration which I agree is absolutely far too high Madame Deputy

Speaker that’s why this week we’ve outlined a plan bigger than any other government before to reduce the levels of legal Migration by 300s it’s an incredibly comprehensive plan so if he cares so much about it the simple question for him is does he support the plan Madam Deputy speaker he clearly hasn’t

Read and anxa anxa says on top on top of the 140 million he’s already showered on Rwanda when we send people there under this treaty we have to pay for their accommodation and their upkeep for 5 years and that’s not all this morning a government Minister admitted that anyone

We sent to Randa who commits a crime can be returned to us I’m beginning to see why the Home Secretary said rander ski something to do with bat I think was it what does what does he first think attracted Mr kagami to hundreds of millions of pounds for nothing in

Return list I’m I’ve Sly lost the thread of the question Madame Deputy speaker but the the simple point is the simple point the simple point is there’s a simple question here if you believe in stopping the boats as we on this side of the house do you need to have an effective

Deterrence and returns agreement it’s as simple as that The Honorable gentleman is not interested in stopping the boats which is why he’s not interested in the Rwanda plan in fact Madame Deputy speaker in fact we know that they don’t want to tackle this issue because even when even when this government was

Trying to deport foreign National offenders out of this country they opposed it multiple members of his shadow front bench all signed a letter to me to that effect but I don’t need to tell him that cuz he signed it [Applause] too okay okay that’s that’s enough secure starma Madam Deputy

Speaker I would say that this treat has got more holes in than the Swiss cheese but I don’t want to wind up the prime minister by talking about a European country again Madame Deputy speaker you have to give credit to the Rwandan government they saw this Prime list coming a mile

Off you can only imagine their Delight their sheer disbelief when having already banked £140 million of British taxpayer money without housing a single Asylum Seeker the Prime Minister appears again with another offer they can’t refuse a gimmick that will send taxpayers money to Rwanda refuges from Wanda to Britain and won’t stop the

Boats it was mentioned of Margaret Thatcher earlier how Madame Deputy speaker how there’s understandable excitement about the mention of name but the house must listen to the leader of the opposition SEC St to go from up your the laws to take our money k [Applause] M Mr

Speaker well m madame Deputy speaker I I I when it comes when it comes to this European thing in margarth thater this is this is the week that the shadow foreign secretary I think didn’t rule out rejoining the European Union that’s a he can role play Margaret

Thatcher all he wants but when it comes to Europe his answer is the same yes yes yes Madam je for forget the private jet he’s he’s OB on a private planet of his own for this we Daily Mail readers learned this week that the prime ministers began to feel sorry for

Himself he’s even been heard comparing his plight to his beloved Southampton football club I do think that’s a bit harsh because Saints have been on an 11 game unbeaten run while as the song has it the Prime Minister gets battered everywhere he goes but if you want the perfect example

Of how badly the Tes have broken the Asylum system last week the home office admitted that 177,000 people in the silent SE order order come on now so K St thank you if you want the perfect example of how badly they’ve broken the Asylum system Madame Deputy speaker last week

The home office admitted that 177,000 people in the Asylum system have disappeared their exact words it’s hard to believe this we don’t think we know where all these people are now you might lose your car keys you might lose your headphones you might lose your marbles how do you lose 177,000

People prime minister M Deputy speaker I mean on on the topic of football teams he he used to describe this Rwanda policy as imoral and yet his football team has a visit Rwanda badge on the side of them but I like in the me in the

Week in the week when he made his big economy speech we’re still waiting to hear how he is’s going to borrow 28 billion and still cut taxes and reduce debt it’s same old thing the sums don’t add up but while they’re struggling with their calculator we’re getting on and

Delivering a new treaty with Rwanda the T yeah yeah easy sound thank you mad speaker mad speaker I’m getting fed up with sitting in traffic jams in my constituency caused by contractors digging up roads involving lane closures and temporary traffic lights often invoking utility company emergency poers

That turn out not to be emergencies and often with no sign of anybody doing any work particularly over weekends so I set up a campaign to name and shame these inconsiderate contractors but it turns out that when they cause all this chaos when they breach the rules of their

Permit the maximum penalty is an 80 fixed penalty notice so all the prime minister back my campaign and support better enforcement and realistic levels of fines well my honorable friend makes an excellent point and that’s why we’ve set aside 8 billion pounds as a result of our plans on hs2 Madame Deputy speaker

Which is enough to resurface over 5,000 miles of road to improve Journeys a Cornerstone of our plan but also we are introducing a range of measures as The Honorable gentleman says to reduce congestion from Road Works contained in the plan for drivers is a scheme for greater fines and penalties to ensure

That works do finish on time and I’ll make sure that we look at his suggestion and I wholeheartedly back his campaign leader of the Scottish nationalists Steven fln thank you Madame Deputy speaker is the prime minister worried that he is projected to be the first conservative party leader to lose

A general election to a fellow that [Laughter] right speaker well we really must hear the Prime Minister and we’ve got a lot of questions to get through it’s it’s not the prime minister’s opponents who are giving him trouble prime minister m m Madam Deputy speaker I say to The Honorable gentleman Margaret

Thatcher’s view was cut inflation then cut taxes and then win an election and that’s very much my plan of of course Madam Deputy speaker it’s not just in relation to Margaret thater where the Tory and labor leader appear to agree the same is true of the government’s latest migration policies

Now for those of us on these benches we aren’t afraid to say that we believe migration is a good thing it enriches it enriches our communities it enriches our economy it enriches our universities our schools our Health Service and of course our care sector so in that regard can I

Ask the prime minister why does he think it is acceptable to ask people to come to these Shores to care for our family members whilst we show complete disregard for theirs what has become of this place Madam speaker that’s completely wrong no as we’ve already said that we

Have a proud track record of welcoming those who are most vulnerable around the world over half a million over the past few years from Syria Afghanistan Ukraine Hong Kong and elsewhere and that’s what this country will always do but at the same time when it comes to economic migration and other forms it’s

Absolutely right that we take strong action to curb the levels that we have seen because they are simply far too high and place unsustainable pressure on our public services and Madam speaker I make no apology for saying that or indeed saying that it is important that those who come here contribute to our

Public [Applause] Services thank you Madame Deputy speaker can I first of all welcome the government’s significant funding in increase for 2-year-olds preschool in 2023 but the illustrative 2425 DFE funding to Dorset Council for 2-year-olds preschool is looking to be a net 17 P per hour less than it is today

And it is giving West Dorset preschools some nervousness about their sustainability well my right honorable friend the Prime Minister support me to ensure that Educational Funding formulas for this will be Tak taking into account the challenges of rural living and allow excellent preschools to got it prime minister Deputy speaker

But in a couple of years time we’ll have increased spending to over 8 billion pounds every year on three hours and Early Education which will help Working Families with child care costs indeed it’s the single biggest investment in child care in England ever but my honorable friend makes an excellent

Point and that’s why we will ensure that there is a discretionary supplement in the local authorities local funding formula for Rural communities to account for the smaller economies of scale and ensure that they can continue to deliver their very vital work stepen Ferry thank you at nine months on from the Windor

Framework I thank the Prime Minister for his ongoing efforts to restore the northern Arland assembly and executive however if and when the institutions are restored they will still be plagued by the same structural weaknesses that have SE repeated collapses and unfairness around things like designations this week the nor Affairs committee published

A report calling for a view of the good FR agreement many architects of the agreement such as Tony Blair John Major and berie Hearn have recognized the case for reform so can the Prime Minister commit to an early review of the agreement to improve its stability Effectiveness and fairness agreement

Prime minister I recognize the honorable members campaigning on this issue and I’ve got great respect for his position indeed we’ve spoken on a number of occasions both here and on my visits to Northern Ireland uh my focus right now is on getting the institutions up and running and my overarching priority is

To get Public Services back on track in Northern Ireland which is I know is an ambition that he and I share any reform of Institutions are best dealt with with the support of all parts of the community but when it comes to restoring the current institutions the government

Is doing everything it can to support efforts and I know the secretary of state will be in touch and engagement with the parties imminently on that point Fletcher thank you Madame speaker yesterday 13 men died by suicide today 88 men will die of heart disease tomorrow and every day 90,000 men will

Wake up in prison and we have 2.2 million boys living today at home with no Dad we thankfully have an excellent cabinet minister for women we have an excellent Minister for women so will the Prime Minister meet with me to discuss the merits of a minister for men and

Boys because as Warren Farrell States one one sex loses both sex lose yay can I um say to my horable friend that he should be commended for his tieless campaigning on this issue he’s particularly right to focus on suicide and that’s why I’m grateful for his engagement with the suicide prevention

Strategy which sets out the actions that we will take to reduce suicides in the coming years but it’s also a thanks partly into his campaigning that on International men’s day we announc that we’re appointing the first Men’s Health Ambassador and launching a men’s health task force and I look forward to

Continue collaboration with him so we can represent his concerns adequately Simon Lightwood thank you madam Deputy speaker convicted criminals have been held in police station cells across West Yorkshire because this government has completely failed to deliver more prison places 2third of prisons overcrowded criminals let out early if sentenced at

All only 2% of rapists reach in court serious violence up 60% knife crime up by 70% and nearly 65,000 cases waiting to be heard so prime minister how how can you reassure the residents of Wakefield that they are safe on our streets well Madam Deputy speaker we

Have a clear plan to protect victims punish criminals and cut crime we’re investing 400 million more in fact in prison places on top of the 4 billion pounds that I announced as Chancellor which is delivering 20,000 new celles we’re also making sure that rapists serve every day of their sentences and

Ensuring that life means life for the worst offenders something that I hope that the labor party will be reporting soon s All Over Heels my constituents krie and Francis meni Davis are in the public Gallery today and they lost their son after a long battle with cancer where they

Visited him in hospital every day they’ve set up a charity called it’s never you to help parents uh in that situation and on Monday I intend to uh present a bill which would ask the government to report on what support can be given two parents in that situation and I hope

He might ask ministers to discuss this with me so that we can find a way forward to help parents in this Dreadful situation well can I express my sympathies to my friends constituents for what they have been through and commend them uh for setting up that it’s

Never you charity I will ensure that the organizers and he get the appropriate meeting with the minister to discuss their important work he’s absolutely right parents that are in that situation should have all the support that they need and we’ll make sure that that happens Rebecca Long Bailey thank you

Madame Deputy speaker one in five of my residents live in fuel poverty and this winter looks to be the most brutal yet according to Corall insights with a current trajectory in energy pric is expected to be the new Norm for the rest of the decade as a prime minister will

Know one of the best ways to support hous holes would be the introduction of a social tariff he promised a consultation by summer this year we’re still waiting when will the consultation be released Madam Deputy speaker we’ve also provided considerable support in the Here and Now for households with their

Energy bills £900 of direct cost of living support this financial year on top of a record increase in benefits along with winter fuel payments of up to £300 this winter for for pensioners because they’re particularly vulnerable and we will continue to look at all support uh that we have to ensure that

Those who need it are getting the help that they deserve Andrew salute dur top 28 will the Prime Minister salute Southwest bed’s contribution to our nation’s energy security for having had the tallest wind turbine in England the largest battery in Europe and now the most powerful wind turbine in England which has local

Support and can we also ensure that my constituents now get cheaper energy bills for hosting this vital infrastructure Madame Deputy speaker uh I can say that we are looking exactly at how local communities can benefit when new infrastructure is uh in their vicinity as part of our new plan for

Increased energy security but also can I commend his local area for the contribution they’re making to our clean energy transition it’s a great example of this country’s fantastic track record in delivering Net Zero and decarbonizing faster than any other major economy not something that you’ll hear from the

Party opposite but something that we on this side of the house are very proud of J the comment Madame Deputy speaker the government failed on their legal duty to publish a report on spiking by April stating that they were reconsidering whether their rationale for not introducing a specific offense for

Spiking was sound will the Prime Minister clarify when and if this spiking report will ever be published and does he agree with me and colleagues right across this house that the only sound approach to this issue is to create a specific criminal offense for spiking Madam speaker this is an issue

That has been reviewed by legal police colleagues uh I am my latest understanding is that the existing laws did Cover the offense of spiking but of course I’m happy to ensure that she gets uh a letter which explains the position Paul holes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah very

Kind not content with being the third most indebted Council in England with a debt of 670 million Liv de Bar Council recently refinanced their failed one Horton Heath housing project to the tune of £148 million no houses built an interest payments of £ 386,000 per month

Will the Prime Minister now ask duck to intervene and independent investigate this development and and ask for a meeting with the minister relevant to discuss this terrible decision by E bur Council terrible well Madame Deputy speaker I am aware that some local authorities including the one he mentioned have taken excessive risks

With borrowing and investment practices that’s why we’ve taken a range of measures to strengthen the regulatory framework to prevent this from happening and that includes new powers that make it quicker and easier for the government to step in when councils do take on excessive risk for borrowing I’ll ensure

That he gets a meeting with the relevant minister to raise his concerns because his constituents deserve better Mary Glendon thank you Madame Deputy speaker National energy action says 133% of North T Siders are in fuel poverty 3,000 homes have Legacy prepayment meters and we are in the bottom 5% for Energy

Efficiency but Chancellor announced no new funding to help people this winter we’re now in Advent so what Christmas message does the Prime Minister have for my constituents who are freezing in their homes m madame Deputy speaker as of outline we’ve provided considerable support for particularly vulnerable families this year and through this

Winter we’re also investing record sums in improving the Energy Efficiency and insulation of vulnerable homes through our home upgrade scheme and indeed the warm homes discount which on average can save people hundreds of pounds in their energy bills when they receive that support and we’re expanding those programs across the country including in

The Northeast flick Drummond thank you very much M Dey speaker the international CRI Criminal Court prosecutor kareim Khan KC has concluded its first visit to Israel and Palestine and stated we must show that the law is there on the front lines and it’s capable of protecting all what support

Will Britain offer to the international criminal court to conduct investigations into the conduct of all parties in Israel Gaza and the West Bank before and since October the 7th Minister well Madame Deputy speaker as is well known we are a strong and long-standing supporter of the international criminal court when it

Comes to the situation in Gaza we have been consistent in saying that International humanitarian law has to be respected all parties must take every possible step to avoid harming civilians and I can say that I stressed this point specifically just yesterday to prime minister Netanyahu Gregory Campbell

Thank you the prime minister is aware that the household tax known as the television license fee is due to rise in April in line with inflation given the ongoing household budget constraints that all our constituents are faced with increasing child care costs as well as ongoing unresolved staffing issues at

BBC Northern Ireland national BBC television national bbbc uh radio is now not the right time to proceed with an even larger 3.7 billion license fee budget enhanced yet again well Madam Deputy speaker we have already uh agreed a fair settlement with the BBC that will see the license fee

Remain Frozen until 2024 I think the honorable member raises an excellent point and I’ve been clear that the the license fee in the BBC needs to be realistic about what is possible in an environment like this and it should only rise at a level that people can actually afford

The culture secretary said we’re looking at this issue right now and she’ll set out more detail in due course Jack Bron you mad speaker Longton which is the largest town in my constituency has not benefited from future High streets funding from town deals all the latest long-term plan for towns so will my

Right andore friend ensure that we can have some investment into Longton from the government and particularly does he agree with me that the latest Award of HLF money to sto on Trent some of that should definitely be invested in Longton yeah my honorable friend is a tireless

Champion for his local community and I know there has been considerable investment in his area over the past few years in lots of different ways he makes an excellent point about making sure that nobody misses out from the considerable resources that are being invested in Stoke and I’ll ensure that

The leveling up Department takes his concerns very seriously we are running uh way over time but I appreciate it would be great disappointment to people whose names are on the order paper if they’re not called so I’m trying my best to call everyone whose name is on the order paper but I

Make a plea for brevity please Carrie McCarthy thank you when the prime minister is taking a dip in his pool or he’s on the beach at his place in California he doesn’t have to worry about swimming in sewage the rest of us don’t have it so good so why won’t he

Back Labor’s plans for criminal liability for water company bosses who failed to clean up their act well mad Deputy speaker we’ve already brought forward regulations that ensure there can be unlimited fines for water companies and there have been dozens of criminal prosecutions but what

I would say is when we had a plan that when we had a debate in this house on exactly a plan that would do all of this who didn’t show up to vote it was the labor party James Sunderland very good point Madam Deputy speaker in recent weeks I have seen

Firsthand the extraordinary work conducted by Specialist Care staff at accident and emergency as politicians we are often guilty of using the NHS as a political football but when it becomes personal one is reminded that what we have in the UK is very special well the Prime Minister join me

In simply thanking our superb NHS staff in bratel across barkshire in neighboring basing Stoke and BR Park hospitals and Beyond yeah Madam Deputy speaker NHS staff are at the heart of what makes our Health Service work there wouldn’t be an NHS without them their skill their expertise

Their dedication I was delighted that I could pay them my thanks last week in person and I joined my honorable friend in thanking NHS staff not just in his constituency but right across the country for their dedicated hard work and public service Damia Griffith thank you very

Much Madam Deputy speaker well it’s now six years since Bishop James Jones published the hillsbor report and only today finally do we get the government response but when will the government introduce not just the voluntary Charter or an independent public Advocate or a code for ethical policing but a full

Hillsbor Law to force those in public office to cooperate fully with investigations and to guarantee fairer funding for those affected by Major tragedy to challenge public institutions well Madam Deputy speaker as I’ve said I’m profoundly sorry for what the hillsb families have been through and as I said my rable friend

The Justice secretary will be making a full statement immediately after pmqs Dr Caroline Johnson M speaker and I refer members to my registered members interest as someone who has worked as a junior doctor I understand it’s a demanding job and I have sympathy with the challenges they face however the

Strikes that are planned over the fested period threaten Public Safety and they will delay people’s treatment causing patients suffering in the pursuit of more money for to oneself is in my view morally indefensible can the Prime Minister tell the house what concrete steps he is taking to prevent these

Strikes and whether he’ll bring forward minimum service legislation to protect patients in case they do now can I my honorable friend makes an excellent point and speaks from a position of experience on this issue the government has now reached settlements with every other part of the public sector including most recently consultants and

I’m grateful to them for their constructive engagement with the government uh the junior doctors are taking action in the face of a recommendation from an independent body of a 9% pay rise on average the highest increase across the entire public sector the government has gone beyond that in

Conversations with them and they have still decided to take damaging strike action it is wrong and that is why we’ve introduced minimum service levels to ensure that we can guarantee a safe level of care for patients across the NHS and it would be good to hear at some

Point from the labor party whether we get off the fence condemn these strikes and back these minimum service laws thank you madam Deputy speaker Universal Credit is broken one constituent tells me that DWP is refusing to reimburse her child care payments because it was 4 days late

Due to her phone been broken she’s down £1,200 unable to pay for child care she has lost her job and is likely to have to move with 3 weeks to go before Christmas she’s extremely anxious and distressed does the Prime Minister realize the real consequences for real people of this broken

System well Madame Deputy speaker I’m sorry to hear about the circumstances of The Honorable lady’s constituent and if she writes I’ll make sure that we get specific support in place for her and ensure that she gets access to what she needs but when it comes to Universal

Credit I do strongly disagree with her in fact it was only because of the actions of The Honorable right honorable member for chingford and Woodford green that Universal Credit was implemented and is the only reason we were able to get support to millions of vulnerable people through the pandemic it was

Because we replaced the Legacy system with Universal Credit that that was possible and it was opposed at every step by the labor party Simon Baines thank you madam Deputy speaker it is always a pleasure to work closely with my right honorable friend the member for montgomeryshire in delivering

Important projects like the clam manuk pant bypass on the border with North shopshire and today is another example of our partnership as my right honorable friend is unfortunately unable to ask a question in his role as the prime minister’s PPS would the Prime Minister join me in highlighting his work with

The fu the Farmers Union of Wales in organizing the terrific celebrations of Montgomery day in the Jubilee room straight after [Applause] [Laughter] questions uh well m madame Deputy speaker my honorable friend is uh is an excellent campaigner for his constituents as indeed is the right honorable friend the member for

Montgomery sh uh it’s fantastic to see these local projects being delivered in their area I’m grateful to my honorable friend for teaching me how to pronounce the pant clom manic bypass in my first budget and I’m delighted to declare from the dispatch box that today is now officially montoma day and I look

Forward to everyone celebrating in the Jubilee room straight after questions thank you madam everybody final question Gerald Jones thank you uh Madame Deputy speaker if I could beg your Indulgence just briefly to wish my constituent attacked during yesterday’s serious incident in Aban a speedy recovery and thank the

Emergency services and School staff for their Swift and professional response Madam Deputy speaker Britain is getting smaller on the world stage under this prime minister’s watch his climate failures meaning our children and grandchildren bearing the brunt of the cost his plans and undermining Britain’s energy security bills are still Skyhigh

For working families and yet he’s hiking the tax burden and real living standards are falling by over 3% tinkering with a reset just isn’t and doesn’t compensate for 13 years of failure does it prime minister pry speaker first of all can I say that my thoughts are with the victim

And her family about the awful incident that took place is on the streets of aaan we wish them a full and speedy recovery and I also join him in thanking the emergency services for their immediate response but he talked about leaving our children and our grandchildren with cost and he actually

It’s right Madame Deputy speaker to raise that because that is important that we don’t do that and the question then for him and the party opposite is why do they want to embark on a green borrowing spree of 28 billion a year that just means higher taxes for our children our

Grandchildren higher mortgage rates it’s the same old story Reckless borrowing and the British people paying the price yeah thank you that concludes prime minister’s questions I’m pausing for a moment to allow members to leave and to take up new Places as we now have an important statement and that everyone is in place I I would ask members who are leaving to do so quietly just to do so quietly please a little bit of politeness to others goes a long way statement the law Chancellor thank you uh Madame Deputy

Speaker and with permission I would like to make a statement on the government’s response to Bishop James Jones’s report the patronizing disposition of unaccountable power a report to ensure the pain and suffering of the hillsbor families is not repeated and on the steps we will take to respond to the

Points of learning contained therein Madame Deputy speaker Bishop James has done our nation a great service and his report is an exceptional piece of work I want to salute the hillsbor families for the assiduous care that they have given to help create this report and Forge the

Response that flows from it I had the privil of meeting many of the families in Liverpool in June this year alongside the former Home Secretary I was deeply moved to hear of their experiences and by the dignity with which they shared them but perhaps even more affecting was their unflinching determination to make

Sense of the senseless and bring about change for others that is the true Mark of compassion campaigning selflessly for change knowing that nothing that any government can do will bring back their own loved ones or temper their grief the hillsbor families have through their determined efforts over decades created

A lasting Legacy a national Legacy that is a tribute to their loved ones at the start of his report Bishop James expressed his hope that we might be a better Nation for having listened to them we are and they deserve the thanks of our nation second I also pay tribute in this

To those in this house who continue to campaign on behalf of the hillsbor families and for families bed by other tragedies including the member for garon and hailwood Halton Willl South and Liverpool West Derby I thank former members of the House who have given important support to the families including Steve rotheram and

Andy Burnham and I of course thank the former prime minister uh the right honorable member for maidenhead quite aart and I thank Glenn Taylor indeed for his vital work on the ongoing independent forensic pathology review quite aart from its important recommendations Bishop James’s report laid be the truly devastating

Experiences of those bed by the Hillsburg disaster on the 15th of April 1989 an unimaginable tragedy unfolded 97 innocent men women and children ultimately lost their lives hundreds more were injured and traumatized by what they saw but for hillsbor bereaved and survivors that terrible day was only

Day one of an enduring ordeal and in the days and decades thereafter it became clear they suffered a double Injustice first there was the abject failure of the police and others the ground to protect their loved ones failures described in Lord Justice Taylor’s 1990 report as quotes blunders of the first

Magnitude then they faced years of unforgivable institutional defensiveness second the hillsbor families and survivors suffered what can only be described as cruelty as innocent fans were cynically blamed for their own deaths but that Madame Deputy speaker as was later to become clear was a Web of Lies spun by those seeking to protect

Their own reputations now I emphasize that point because although the disaster may have been over 34 years ago these baseless narratives still inexplicably persist in some quarters today so let me take this important opportunity to restate what is not a matter of opinion but unable fact fans attending the

Hillsbor stadium on the 15th of April 1989 bear absolutely no responsibility for the deaths and injuries that occurred and in making that statement I Echo what was said 7 years ago by my right honorable friend the member for maidenhead at this dispatch box when she read out the full findings of the second

Inquests namely that 6 96 men women and children were unlawfully killed since then Andrew dine who suffered life-changing injuries at hillsbor passed away on the 27th of July 2021 becoming the 97th fatality of the disaster I would like to place on record my deepest sympathies to Mr divine’s

Family and friends and indeed all those who lost loved ones madam speaker the government’s response to Bishop james’ report has been a long time coming too long for some of that time some it was necessarily held back to avoid prejudicing the outcomes of criminal trials but there has been delay since

And I recognize that this has only compounded the pain of the hillsbor families and survivors and the government apologizes for that as the house will be aware the government’s response follows that of the police which was published in January this year today the chief coroner is also Al

Publishing his response which relates to his leadership role regarding the coronial service and collectively these responses address the points raised by Bishop James but this doesn’t stop here we will of course continue to listen to the families of those involved in all major incidents and their concerns so

Turning to the report it contains 25 points of learning whilst Bishop James said that he considered each to be vitally important he was clear that three in particular were in his words crucial so let me turn to those first he proposed the creation of a charter for families bereaved through public tragedy

Bishop James made clear that he wanted to quotes help bring about cultural change through commitments to change as he put it related to transparency and acting in the public interest it’s worth reflecting that in setting out points of learning 13 regarding the hillsbor law which I will

Come on to Bishop James said that he had drawn heav on that Law’s principles in the drafting of this Charter so it is worth taking a moment to consider the language of that Charter it commits signaries the leaders of public bodies to strive to one place the public interest above the reputation

Of their own organizations two to approach all forms of public scrutiny including public inquiries and inquests with cander in an open honest and transparent way and three to avoid seeking to defend the indefensible and I can tell the house uh that the Deputy Prime Minister has today

Signed what will be known as the hillsbor charter on behalf of the government other signaries of the charter include the National Police Chief’s Council on behalf of all 43 police forces the College of policing the crown prosecution service the National Fire Chiefs Council and others we want this Charter to become part of

The culture of what it means to be a public servant in Britain so the Deputy Prime Minister will be writing to all departments to ensure that everyone who works in government is aware of the hillsbor charter and what it means for the way that they work a reference of

The charter will also be added to the central induction to the civil service for all new joiners the hillsbor charter and indeed Bishop James’s report have also been added to the curriculum for every recruit who joins the police this Charter will now be indeed embedded in our public life

Now the second crucial point of learning from Bishop James’s report is what he described as the pressing need for proper participation of bereaved families at inquests now inquests are as we know first and foremost about answering four questions who where when and how an individual has died but as

Bishop James highlighted the hillsbor families were let down by the very process that should have given them answers during the first inquests and then they had to endure a second which had been ordered by my right honorable friend at the first inquest WS the families were forced to fund their own

Legal representation a single barister between them we recognize that proper involvement in an inquest will in appropriate cases mean that bere families should get legal representation especially when the state is represented and that’s why changes have been made such that had the hillsbor tragedy happened today the families would have

Been eligible for free legal aid through the exceptional case funding scheme the government is determined to make this process as straightforward as possible and that is why in January 2022 the ministry of Justice removed the means test for representation in relation to ECF cases and in September 20123 the

Means test was also removed for legal advice at inquests but we want to build on this progress so I can announce today that we will consult on an expansion of legal aid for families bed through public disaster where an independent public Advocate is engaged I’ll come

Back to that or in the aftermath of a terrorist incident now I acknowledge that Bishop James talks Broad about the proper parti participation of bere families at inquest where the state is represented we will seek to further understand the experiences of these individuals and I would welcome a

Conversation with Bishop James on this early in the New Year we also support the principle raised in Bishop james’ report that public bodies should not be able to spend Limitless public funds on legal representation and that’s why we have for the first time set out a requirement on government departments to

Consider the number of lawyers instructed bearing in mind the commitment to support an inquisitorial approach and we will now go on to set out that central government public bodies should publish their spend on legal representation at inquests and inquiries reaffirming that this Ben should be proportionate and never excessive we’ve

Also published a set of principles to guide how public bodies should instruct lawyers at inquests these include a requirement to approach the inquest with openness and honesty and to keep in mind that the breathed should be at the heart of the inquest process but we will also publish guidance to set the clear

Expectation that central government public bodies must instruct their lawyers in accordance with the principle of the Hillsboro Charter because how lawyers engage with the inquest process and indeed the bereaved families matters so I’ll turn to the third of Bishop James’s third three crucial points of learning a duty of cander for police

Officers as he described it there is a gap in police accountability arrangements for officers who fail to cooperate fully with investigations into alleged criminal offenses or misconduct that is why a new offense of police corruption applicable to police and NCA officers was introduced in 2017 punishable by up to 14 years

Imprisonment in 2020 we updated the police conduct regulations to introduce a new duty to cooperate for individual officers during investigations and inquiries failure to do so can result in disciplinary sanctions including dismissal and last month we introduced legislation to place an organizational duty of cander on policing through the

Criminal justice Bill we will place a duty on the College of policing to issue a code of practice for ethical policing and for that code to include the duty of cander this duty is designed to promote a culture of openness honesty and transparency and chief constables will

Be held to account for their forces’s performance against the code the new code of practice has been laid in Parliament today and we want to go beyond the police to consider healthc care settings too indeed I can tell the house that in response to recent concerns about openness in those

Settings we will also be conducting a review Into the effectiveness of the existing duty of cander for Health and Social care providers the terms of reference for that have been published today now Madame Deputy speaker I am aware that the Hillsboro law calls for a duty of cander on all public authorities

Now since the hillsbor disaster a comprehensive framework of Duties and obligations has developed which cover public officials and the different official proceedings such as inquests and inquiries first in central government the civil service code requires civil servants to act with honesty and integrity a breach of these

Codes it can result in a range of potential sanctions including dismissal these sit alongside the Nolan principles providing that holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest second the legal framework surrounding criminal investigations statur inquiries inquests and most other formal proceedings requires that all

Individuals regardless of whether or not they are a public official cooperate with them for example there is a duty of cander in judicial review which amounts to a duty on public authorities to lay cards face up on the table and when it comes to inquiries Madame Deputy speaker importantly these carry the potential

For custodial sanction prison sentences in plain English third where a public official demonstrates a lack of cander where it forms part of their Duty as a public office holder they can potentially be guilty of misconduct in public office which is a criminal offense now we will keep these changes under

Review to ensure we achieve that culture of openness honesty and cander and we will not rule out taking further action if it is needed Madame Deputy speaker today the government responds to all 25 points of learning but I focused the statement on those which Bishop James described as crucial very meaningful

Progress has been made we will not hesitate to go further if required because the discussions will continue and indeed the government has committed to another debate in the new year to ensure that Di dialog progresses and I will also be happy to meet the hillsbor families should they wish to discuss any

Aspect of the government’s response but Madame Deputy speaker let me turn finally to a really important point which is the improvements in the justice system because Bishop James made searingly clear that the justice system which should have supported victims and the bereaved after the tragedy was not

Set up to do so now our response sets out the steps this government has taken to make sure that bed families and survivors in the immediate aftermath of a public tragedy are guided through what can be a difficult complicated and forbidding process through the victims and prisoners Bill we have introduced

Legislation to enable an independent public Advocate once established the IPA will be a strong voice for victims the bereaved and whole communities affected by Major incidents the IPA as promised by my right honorable friend will make sure those affected by Major incidents know their rights can access support

Services and have their voices heard at inquests and inquiries its design has been informed by the very difficulties that the hillsbor families faced and our commitment to making sure that other families do not suffer the same injustices that can include uh holding public bodies to account for their

Commitments to abide by the hillsbor charter I’m also grateful for the contributions of some of the families of victims of the grenal tower fire and Manchester Arena bombing for their contributions telling us what would have helped them most in the aftermath of those terrible events and after listening to concerns of the hillsbor

Family set out so powerfully when I met them earlier this year as well as contributions from colleagues across the house I’m looking at the honorable lady for gston gston thank you hwood I decided that we must go further by establishing a permanent independent public Advocate it is vital that The

Advocate can be deployed as soon as possible after disaster strikes and that they have time in advance to be as prepared as possible a permanent Advocate will be able to advise the government on its respons to Major incidents such as any subsequent inquiries or reviews and will make sure

The views of families are are heard they will also importantly report independently to government about the experiences of victims and bereaved uh families as well as publishing an annual report all such reports will be laid before Parliament so Madame Deputy speaker the hillsbor families have been unrelenting in their pursuit of justice

And Bishop James has done essential work to support the families and Faithfully discharge the commission put upon him by the then Home Secretary and former prime minister to capture their perspective so that it was not lost following the second inquests today is therefore an important day it doesn’t provide closure

For the families of course as Bishop James himself wrote there can be no closure to love nor should there be for someone you have loved and lost grief is indeed a journey without a destination but today is a milestone on that Journey it is a moment I hope when families will

Feel able to pause and take quiet pride in the enormity of what they have achieved not for themselves but for others for the British people but I hope they will serve to cement and strengthen the hillsbor family’s Legacy the changes they have made to benefit entire nation

And to help ensure that never again can our people be so betrayed by the very organizations and institutions that are meant to protect them I commend the statement to the house Shadow minister Shaban thank you very much Madam uh Deputy speaker it is customary to thank the government for advanced site um of

The statement but I do have to say uh that given the gravity of this matter uh the fact that the report that is being responded to has been with the government for many years and in fact the length of uh the Secretary of State’s statement uh this morning the

Fact that the um I am disappointed to have received the uh copy of a statement much later than is customary uh Madame Deputy speaker to describe the events of 15th of April 1989 as far-reaching is wholly inadequate to say they were tragic misses the point the name

Hillsbor stands to this day as an indictment of Institutions individuals and an entire culture in which transparency accountability and even simple human compassion were absent I was a child in 1989 when 95 people died at hillsb stadium in the worst sporting disaster in this nation’s history 10 years later alongside thousands of other

Law students I learned about the shock waves that the events of that day were still sending through our courts to the continuing pain of the families this included the death in 1993 of the 96th victim 22-year-old Anthony Bland who spent four years in a persistent vegetative state before a court made

Legal history by agreeing that it was in his best interest to withdraw his feeding tube and let us not forget that it was just 2 years ago that the disaster claimed its 97th victim 55-year-old Andrew dine who had lived with a serious brain injury for more

Than three decades it has now been 34 years to say that Justice delayed is Justice denied would be a significant understatement in this context it is simply unendurable for any family to be made to wait this long for justice I want to Echo the words of the Secretary

Of State by paying tribute to Bishop James Jones the many campaigners both inside and outside of this house who have worked for so long to establish the truth and above all to the bereaved families they have gone beyond what anyone should have to endure to secure Justice not only for their own loved

Ones but for the victims of future disasters too they are an inspiration to us all and I think I speak for the whole house when I say that all of us here know what a debt we owe all of them Madame Deputy speaker I want to

Turn to the detail of the Secretary of State’s remarks today the purpose of uh the government’s response must be centered on the experience of the families just as Bishop James’s report itself was to ensure that their suffering is remembered and crucially never to be repeated and that is the

Commitment that the opposition too will make that we will work to ensure the government’s proposal deliver meaningful Justice we welcome the commitment to consult on expanding legal aid for families bereaved through public disaster but I must say that there is nothing in what we have seen from the

Government to date to suggest that they will go as far as we believe is needed on requiring public authorities to act with cander and transparency to the public a duty on all public bodies to be forthcoming with the truth is a basic requirement if Justice

Is to be done in the wake of terrible events that scar communities and change lives forever many will be shocked to hear that this does not already exist as a matter of law the hillsbor law now Campaign which as the government knows includes bereaved families who are still fighting for accountability 34 years

Later have said to us that without an effective duty of cander in place the risk is that reform will simply add another layer of bureaucracy to what victims already have to endure it is for this very reason that over a year ago the leader of the opposition committed

To a hillsbor law which would first and foremost impose a legal Duty on public institutions public servants and officials to act in the public interest and with transparency cander and frankness when there has been a major incident the secretary of state knows that we have sought to amend uh his

Recent legislation to introduce this more effective duty of Canada during its Passage through Parliament but that is an approach that the government has thus far rejected Madame Deputy speaker we will continue our efforts in this regard because the government’s requirement for a code of ethics is not enough we do

Also welcome the commitment to a standing independent public Advocate and have supported this change to the victims and prisoners bill but as the Secretary of State knows we do also believe and have said to him repeatedly that the duty of Kanda is the vital missing piece to make effective the

Changes being made in respect of the independent public Advocate Madame Deputy speaker this issue is above Party politics but we do have a duty to say to the government that what they have announced does not yet go far enough it must deliver on that vital promise that

What happened in 1989 and has continued to happen to the families for 34 years will never happen again Lord Chancellor Madame Deputy speaker and I thank the right honorable lady for her response can I um seek to address them in turn so on the issue of legal aid we

Absolutely accept that in this particular case there was manifest and completely unacceptable lack of equality of arms because it was being treated as adversarial process in a way that is completely inimical to what the uh inquiry should have been designed to get to the bottom of the culture was wrong

In terms of how lawyers were approaching it the equality of arms was non-existent so we have sought to address that in two ways first in terms of ensuring that in appropriate cases where frankly it does become adversarial because people are defensive because they have probably got something wrong that it is necessary in

Those cases for the families to have the frankly the arms if you like the legal arms to in order to take that on that’s why if this had happened today that funding would have been in place and by the way this isn’t small amounts of funding the total amount spent quite

Properly no complaints about this in the second inquest was around £65 million so this is a very significant change that has been made already as I say we are Consulting on whether we should go further still the the issue about Canada is of course critically important

Running like a like a message through a stick of rock uh through Bishop James Jones’s report is the importance of changing the culture so we across this house and she rightly points out this is not a as it were a party political issue must be doing everything we possibly can

To change that culture and what I think is very important about the IPA is if one goes back to the point of learning one about uh the charter itself what Bishop James said was this he said I welcome the government’s commitment to create an independent public Advocate to

Act for bere families after the public disaster and then he went on to say this once a public Advocate has been appointed I offer the charter to them as a benchmark against which they may assess the way in which public bodies treat those bed by tragedy and then he

Goes on to talk about the text of the charter so we hope that it will play a very very important part in embedding that culture and holding people to account but this job is not over we continue to have the discussion and I look forward to engaging with the honorable lady about

It Teresa May thank you madam Deputy speaker can I thank the Lord Chancellor for his statement and welcome the government’s response although like him I bemoan the fact that it has taken so long to respond to a report which not only did I commission when I was in

Office but actually which reported when I was still in office what uh what underlay the approach what underpinned the approach of the organs of the state at Hillsboro was a desire to protect themselves and their reputation rather than serve the public they were there to protect or

Indeed search for truth and Justice an attitude which occurred not just on that day but has continued from those public authorities through the decades since can I therefore ask my right honorable friend if he agrees with me that in the charter almost the most important point is that it requires organizations to

Place the public interest above their own reputation and what specific steps will government be taking to ensure that that culture is instilled across the whole of the public sector thank you uh Madame Deputy speaker uh as uh always my rable friend absolutely gets to the heart of it that

Is the critical and most important point it’s number two in the charter to place the public interest above our own reputation and she asks well you know those are words how are those being woven into the culture one powerful example is today we are um announcing

It’s not we forgive me the the code of practice for ethical policing is being published that contains at page seven under the chapter headed ensuring openness and cander paragraph 4.5 Chief officers have a duty to ensure openness and cander within their uh Force which will include the following implementing

The charter for families B through public tragedy hillsbor stadium disaster lessons that must be learned so it will be there at the point of training for officers and induction for civil servants it is going to become part of the warp and weft of this country part

Of the culture of what means to be a civil servant in Britain Chris Stevens thank you very much Madame Deputy speaker is someone with great affection for the people of Liverpool and Mery side our thoughts of once again with the hills families today and can I join the shadow front bench and a

Qualified thanks and advanced site of this statement I was pleased that the uh Lord Chancellor um had thanked and congratulated honorable members uh of this house and ande Bam EX EXC Me Andy Burnham and Steve RAM for their work in this area so I have three questions for

The Lord Chancellor the chief executive the College of policing describes hillsbor as a touchstone for change but in the years since we’ve sadly seen a familiar culture of cover up in relation to tragedies such as grall and the infected blood Scandal so he does appear then to accept the principle just so he

Can clarify excuse me accepts the principle at some point the public will Tire of hearing about promised cultural change without visible action accompanying it the second question is no police officer has been disciplined or convicted of any offense relating to the hillsb disaster so does he agree

That in cases where it’s proven that false evidence was given or inaccurate statements were made that retrospective action up to an including prosecution must take place you’re here and finally part of the reason that the police were able to avoid Fu scrutiny around hsur for so long was irresponsible reporting

Of the disaster by sections of the media is he convinced that reforms in that area have gone far enough or does he agree with many of us that more reform in that area is sadly needed here here here can I thank uh The Honorable gentleman for those very helpful and

Pertinent questions can I turn first of all to the issue of the uh police because yes it is one thing setting the culture which I think it’s reasonable to point out is now going to be woven into police training but accountability matters to and so one of the things that

Matters is the police conduct regulations of 2020 which of course postdate this report include the following in schedule two police officers must be honest act with integrity and not compromise or abuse their position but also this police officers have a responsibility to give appropriate cooperation during investigations inquiries and formal

Proceedings participating openly and professionally in line with the expectations of a police officer when identified as a witness those are now on the face of the regulations breach of those provide a very powerful case he may think for uh dismissal or other suitable sanction to the point he makes about retrospectivity plainly if

Evidence comes to light about facts about Behavior at the time then that can be considered in the normal way I hope you will be encouraged to know that the offense of misconduct in a public office has been considered by the law commission with their cons usual and

Typical uh diligence and we will be responding in the new year because I think it’s reasonable to observe that it has not operated as we might have liked it is susceptible to reform it seems to us and we are giving that very uh active uh attention to the point he makes about

The media and irresponsible coverage my goodness he’s got a point about that I think there still needs to be a live conversation frankly about whether things have gone far enough Sir Robert Neil thank you madam Deputy speaker the delay in this report has been unacceptable but it’s absolutely

Absolutely no fault of my right honorable and early friend the Lord Chancellor and can I thank him for his statement for the tone of his statement which was characteristically generous spirited and also full and for the work he’s done to expedite this report can I put these points to him would he agree

With me that going forward it is important to pick up on some of the learning from the two Justice committee reports one on the coronial system and one on the pre-legislative scrutiny on the victims bill will he agree that to achieve the proper outcome as a legacy for the victims of

We should work to the position where it will be the norm that there will be proper legal representation for victims bed families at inquests that should be the norm rather than any form of exception secondly that the duty of kander should extend in terms of legal uh representation by government departments

To the fullest and earliest possible disclosure of all relevant materials that are in the hands of government departments and their lawyers and thirdly that we should work with the excellent current chief coroner uh and his predecessor of course gave powerful evidence to our committee to ensure that we can ensure greater consistency of

Standards and approach within the coronial system which has not always been the case in the past would agree that those are important matters together with that Assurance of equality of arms across the pieace uh very helpful point so first of all I would like to pay tribute to the

Work of the Justice select committee and the work that took place in respect of Coroner’s inquest and in indeed in preparation for this statement I went back and reread some of the evidence that was given by the then Chief coroner Mark lucraft when he was talking about

This very important issue of equality of arms now he made the point from his position of Chief coroner no less that yes there are cases of course where it’s important to have legal representation we’ve made enormous strides as as indicated equally there will be those where sometimes it doesn’t actually help

Terribly and um that’s why we have to proceed with Care on this but the key issue is uh equality of arms as he rightly points out this business about cander of as regards early disclosure is critical and one of the important points that can sometimes be lost is lest we

Forget under Section 35 of the inquiries act it is possible for someone to be held criminally liable on pain of a custodial sentence if they fail to act with cander in terms of producing information to an inquiry that is an important um that is an important sanction it seems to me and in

Appropriate circumstances I I hope the judges won’t that to use it Maria Eagle thank you Bishop James called his report the patronizing disposition of unaccountable power the key word is unaccountable 34 years after 97 men women and children were unlawfully killed in an event that was televised at

The time yeah um and that within four months the public inquiry inter report had pinned the blame on the police all that time later no one has been held accountable for what happened at hillsb now nobody will be so accountability here is key and whilst culture change is good we need legal

Change too so therefore I I must say it’s inexplicable to me that there’s a failure to legislate here for a full duty of cander for all public officials to legislate to put the charter for families berov by public tragedy into statute and the Lord Chancellor knows that I still think that the independent

Public advocate’s Powers need to be beefed up to include an ability for him to um compel transparency be a data controller so to torpedo attempts to cover up uh which is what went wrong at hillsbor was the cover up as much as anything um so will he reconsider his

Apparent unwillingness to legislate to make it clear that this house and our nation requires accountability requires cander requires public authorities and those who work for them to act in the best interests of those bereaved in these appalling public tragedies that have occurred and will continue to

Occur can I Thank The Honorable lady and can I say I hope entirely fairly that the merits that are in this response and I think it can reasonably be observed that there are a great number are in considerable part due to uh the efforts that she has made engaging with me to

Make changes and improvements on the issue of the IPA for example there is no doubt and of course others have fed in as well not least my right honorable friend the former prime minister that the IPA will be permanent that wasn’t the original proposal will be able to

Make reports of its own motion to come before this house not just at the instigation of the state and also we’ll be able to make recommendations about what sort of inquiry should take place afterwards it could be as she knows some sort of independent panel along the

Lines of the ones that were set up by Alan Johnson uh when he was a home secretary or indeed a statutary inquiry or non-stat inquiry so this IPA is of a different order of muscularity if I can use that expression than was originally envisaged and she plays an important

Part in that on the issue of of the hillsbor law she and I have have discussed this there are um there are countervailing considerations as she knows but of course the point is my door remains open the conversation Remains live we will have a debate upon this I

Hope in the new year and I look forward to discussing these matters further Jackie do price thank you Madame Deputy speaker um my right on friend statement goes some way to tackling the institutional Behavior which puts reputational damage and public confidence ahead of the interest the

People they are meant to serve but the comments has made are very much in the context of major public incidents and I just wondered whether I could ask him uh how far he thinks that that these expectations enshrined in the charter can be applied to individual cases and I

Speak particularly with reference to Suicide uh where quite often bereaved families attend inquests where the players are quite Keen to avoid any suggestion of liability but that can conflict with what he’s described in terms of a duty of cander Chancellor I am so grateful to uh my honorable friend for raising this

Critical point it’s not just about major disasters important though they are for the victims and the families where something Dreadful has happened they don’t want to find themselves in a situation where it’s unnecessarily adversarial or indeed people are frankly just trying to save their own skin showing institutional defensiveness so a

Lot of this frankly comes down to this issue of culture we are aware of that so two things to say first in terms of the equality of arms if it is a so-called ECF case an exceptional case funding test which is to do with article two there are certain thresholds for that

Then legal representation but also this on the issue of culture we have provided this new document here which includes principles guiding the government’s approach when it holds interested party person status at an inquest which is about approaching the inquest with openness and honesty including supporting the disclosure of all

Relevant and disclosable information to the coroner in other words the state shouldn’t be in the position of being defensive whether it’s a major disaster or indeed it’s rela to an individual I hope that assists Ian burn thank you madam Deputy speaker I’d like to thank the Lord Chancellor for

The statement today the empathy and decency so on the subject of ill and also thanking for the words what he said football supporters not me to blame for those but that means a lot of a lot of people yeah yeah I’m sorry that’s where me thank yous end I like many others

Will feel let down today and feel as though this is a world away from the effective legislation we desperately need I’m really really worried that it will not prevent another Hills style stay covered up Bishop James Jones call for the the duty of candada on police officers but the government’s criminal

Justice Bill mentioned duty of candada close 73 only in the context of a code of conduct and we talked about this this morning I feel that was an insult those affected by state coverups in the memor in 97 it does not establish the duty or Define a duty in law it provides no

Mechanism for compliance all and also crucially the government will not today introduce a statute Duty a candid on all public officials which is demanded by Hills law now campaigners and thankfully supported by my own party secretary the state without a d legal Duty cander and no public servance hard

Wide into our justice system we will see continued injustices from public officials who lie on the stand act with impunity with no consequences I had hope today you will push back against the powerful vested interest you do not want to see this accountability and law but

Sadly I feel one once again will the Secretary of State reflect on the comments from across this house today and work with us to ensure we get a true Hills Bel Lord at the 97 and everyone else who has suffered Injustice at the hand of the state fully

Deserve can I thank him for his his words at the beginning I’ve listened very carefully to what he said subsequently he asked me if I will reflect of course I will reflect I will listen very carefully to what’s been said we’re here to respond of course to Bishop james’ report which wasn’t

Principally about the points that have moved on since which I know we all recognize we want to change the culture we remain committed to changing the culture and I will continue to have that conversation about how we achiev that most effectively Kevin Foster thank you uh Madame Deputy speaker M I was just

Reflecting during the statement the last time we here in the cham talking about this we were advised I think it would be in the course of spring that the uh response would be produced so it is welcome to have it here today and also the general tone and nature of it it

Wasn’t just a lack of interest in finding the truth that was the issue here it was the fact that actually organs of the state set out to smear people to lie and to cover up and to save their their own skin and we can say this was 30 years ago but we saw

Worrying trend of that when we saw the St of France was not in our jurisdiction an attempt to blame fans for a complete overreaction from the French law enforcement authorities to to some incidents there but what I found interesting is when he talked about the spend on Le on legal

Representation which we often saw a completely disproportionate spend he says it would be proportionate who will determine it because let’s remember it was some of those bodies who thought it was perfectly propor forunate for them to waste millions of pounds trying to save their own skins rather than to find

Justice so he this is an excellent point he he asked who will determine it the whole point about encouraging government departments to publish it is so that the public can make an assessment of whether it’s proportionate or not frankly that’s an ordinary English word people should

Know uh what it means and if they don’t that will become clear George har thank you madam Deputy speaker can I too um thank the uh Lord Chancellor for the statement today which as he conceded is long overdue um I’d like to also um add my pay tribute to my honorable friend the

Member for garon and hailwood for the painstaking work she did to expose the evidence that existed but had never been taken into account I’d also um pay tribute to the right honorable lady the member for maidenhead who recognized that there was an injustice that had to

Be put right and set up the process by which Bishop James was able to bring all of those lies and coverups um to light uh Madame Deputy speaker on the following the uh hillsb disaster together with two constituents uh Mr and Mrs joins who’d lost a son of

Hillsboro I attended par of the first inquest and I was shocked by the extent to which that inquest was such a travesty which seemed to be aimed at blaming the fans uh rather than the authorities for what happened and one thing that came out of

That for me and I’ve said this before is that there was a massive um effort to stereotype football fans as being responsible for something they were actually victims of and I do believe and I I welcome the fact that a public Advocate is going to happen but I do think to be absolutely

Certain that we need to put that role on the statute book The Honorable gentleman and and I thank him for the support that he’s given to his constituents I can confirm that the IPA is being put on the statute book Mary Robinson thank you madam Deputy speaker and I’m grateful to my

Right honorable friend the LA chancer for bringing this statement forward today um hillsbury is synonymous with coverup um innocent victims were blamed for the failures of the police and the emergency services and whistleblowers were pivotal in bringing a lot of the evidence forward um it’s important that

We have a duty of Kanda within the Police Service I would say that right across Public Services Kanda should be the golden thread that links them together um with the importance of whistleblowers being so important in this issue and in others would my right honorable friend also look at the uh

Importance of perhaps having an office for The Whistleblower so people who ought know know where to go if they want to raise an issue and that we don’t simply rely on the duty of condom that people within organizations can also go somewhere to get help I thank um my honorable friend for

That typically thoughtful and helpful intervention I think she makes an excellent point already within the civil service code there ought to be arrangements for people to do precisely that but if we need to go further let’s discuss it I’d be happy to have that conversation with her thank Joanna

Cherry thank you madam Deputy speaker I I wonder if I could explore with the Lord Chancellor what he said about Bishop James recommendation about the pressing need for proper participation of bereaved families at inquests the Joint Committee on human rights h held an Evidence session on a proposed Hillsboro law and strengthening human

Rights earlier this summer um and uh we were particularly interested in the impact of the inequality of funding for legal Representatives between the state and bereaved families at inquests and inquiries and in evidence Witnesses argu argued strongly that there should be a proportionate equality of arms distinguishing that from a mere parity

Of arms and they saw um The Wider use of exceptional case funding for Article 2 cases as one way of achieving that does does he agree with that evidence she makes an excellent point so of course we think there should be um equality of arms the only Point s

Potential hesitation is as I say I Was preparing I was reading the evidence of the chief coroner he made what he said is that there are some cases where although the state is represented and the state is an interested party it’s not necessarily the case where adding

Lawyers um necessarily assists he as he put it paragraph 97 of his written evidence there are also arguments which could be Advanced that simply adding more lawyers into the system would not necessarily uniformly help bed families in all cases so in in our view it depends it’s on a case-by Case basis

There will be some cases this is one where it’s manifestly necessary there are others where there has to be a more a judicious approach James sander and I’m deut speaker I’m privileged to be able to watch regular football in brel Reading and Al theh following his statement today is the

Lord Chancellor content that sufficient legal and institutional protections are in place to help prevent another event like hillsbor well I I think I thank you for his question I think most recognize that there have been very significant changes that have taken place and I hope we can feel confident that something like this

Couldn’t happen but in the Dreadful event that it was to we just need to be sure that the resources are in place the support is in place for families so they don’t have to suffer as they did those years ago Alison M thank you madam Min

And I thank the way the minister for the manner in which he opened his statement but it’s really not good enough that it has taken so long to get to this point and in this house I want to put on record my deep disappointment that that we have waited this long for

Today and Madame Deputy speaker I think in getting the change that has been described what is being proposed is also not good enough because as the minister said in his statement in the legal process in order to achieve what we want which as the right honorable member for

Maiden head pointed out so correct directly is for public bodies to place the public interest are either citizens of our country above the reputations of their own organizations as he said it’s not just that who is represented it’s how lawyers engage in the inquest process and indeed with the bed families and

It’s about establishing not just an inquest not just in inquiries but day in day out this culture of kander that he talks about it’s about establishing that now I’m not a lawyer and he is but I think that lawyers respond to the law and that is at the heart of why we

Are so disappointed today not to have a hillsbor law I don’t want a debate in January I want a law so can I ask him if he will meet with myself and other members of this house to discuss how we move forward from this point well my da

Is always open and of course and of course I will um speak speak to the honorable lady and others on the issue of law it is important also to recognize that part of the statutary framework has moved on so in respect of police for example I talked about the police

Conduct regulations of 2020 I recognize as indeed Bishop James Jones did that the key thing we want to do is to change the culture but the law plays a part in that there have been changes let’s have some discussions in due Court Derek TW thank you madam Deputy speaker I don’t

Think we can repeat enough cuz sometimes I don’t think it’s understood just what a web of the seat and lies uh was was put forward by by parts of the state and particularly the police and others uh over the years and the the the the complete effect it had on families uh

Who were were who lost loved ones in and I was there on the day in terrible terrible circumstances I don’t think we forget how how bad that’s been and even up to the the second inquest and I sat through a number of days of that second inquest when lies were still being told

During the inquest when then video evidence was produced by the by the family’s lawyers to saying well there you are you didn’t do what you said I mean it was quite I was absolute Astound these people all the years afterwards would stick to these lies so I come back

To the point that I want to make and I made earlier uh to to to to to to the Justice secretary is that I really think that we can have a culture change but that what happened at inquest and all the way up to it shows it’s in it it is

Such an indepth problem that it needs something stronger and that’s why in terms of the the duty of candada it needs to have a legal basis legislation for it and I understand I understand mad speaker there are some issues around whether it be National Security or or or lawyers confidentiality but they could

Be got round so he has given some indication he’ll listen so will he listen and change it to make sure there’s actually a legal statutory Duty can I Thank The Honorable gentlem who speaks with particular Authority on on these points he he talks about the second inquest where people as you say

Were continuing to try to demonstrate the kind of institutional defensiveness the thing that made a difference there you he may feel was the fact that there were lawyers there to hold people to account in that kind of case that’s the equality of arms point and it is important to recognize I respectfully um

Suggest that now we’re in a situation where in this kind of case there will be lawyers to try to expose precisely that kind of defensiveness so that is extremely important I respect deeply the points that he makes of course we will have a conversation he knows that there are countervailing issues which he

Adverts to um briefly there of course I will have a discussion with him in due course Christine Jardine thank you very much Madame Deputy speaker um there are members of this house who were not born when hillsbor happened and those of us who were have had lives careers families

For the families of the victims to have waited that length of time for justice is intolerable and then to have it compounded by not having the one thing which ensures you feel Justice that it cannot happen again so does the Lord Chancellor agree with me that perhaps

The only way those families will ever feel they’ve got Justice is if we have a hillsbor law to prevent it happening again the critical thing of course is we have to change the culture and ensure that people are held to account for their culture they’re important changes

In this in these measures as I I hope the house will agree as I said I’ve indicated that I’m I’m prepared to discuss with others what further steps are required Stephanie Paco thank you madam Deputy speaker it’s taken six years

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