Get A Life Ep.84 with James DiFiore

In the beginning, James created the ex-peeb podcast!

The concept of the Get-A-Life podcast, surprisingly, did not originate with former members, but with a controversial journalist from the backwoods of Ontario – James DiFiore – who became so intrigued by the malevolent and vindictive cultists behind the Klondike Papers scandal, that he dedicated a whole series of his Blackballed podcasts to interviewing the victims of the PBCC. His hard work, research and perseverance sparked the interest of the leading Canadian investigative podcaster Canadaland, leading to the Ratfucker podcast series that exposed Gerald Chipeur, Brad Mitchell, and Warrick Fentiman well deserved national public humiliation, and also inspired Carman, Cheryl, Lane and Richard to launch a new podcast channel dedicated to former member’s stories; Get-A-life Ex-cult Conversations.
In this episode, we ask James what motivated him to target the PBCC, then we take a trip down memory lane, reviewing the remarkable series of interviews that Blackballed conducted – many of them shocking and tragic, some humorous and heartwarming and some just very bizarre…

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This Is The geta Life podcast exult conversations everyone welcome back to get Life podcast excal conversations I’m Cheryl and I am here with Richard and a very special guest that everybody has been wanting on for a long time James de Fury Welcome James hi Cheryl hi Richard

How are you guys this has been a long time coming to have you on here so we’re grateful that you joined us I’m happy to be here thank you for inviting me I appreciate that yeah you know we are winding down this year and we really

Wanted to give a huge shout out to you for man the the absolute platform and Foundation that you have given ex-members to get a live podcast we would not be sitting here doing this had it not been for you it just wouldn’t have happened so today I want to just

Put all together I want people to see how much you have done for get a life and we’re going to go through a lot of the podcasts that you have done with us but first of all there is this big huge question that everybody asks us when

They hear about Jamesy Fury and they you know jump onto black bald and they start scrolling through all the ex-members you’ve had on and everything that you’ve dove into the Plymouth Breen Christian church and the question is why why someone want to take on members for one

Thing and why would you why would you pick the Plymouth Brethren Christian church and decide to be like hey help these guys out whatever prompted you to take on cult like this I wish I could say it was for the money but was as much as they think inside that

There is there is no money this and I don’t really think I I picked it’s a good question actually because really think I picked the Plymouth Brethren like I I think to myself there’s a lot of Cults let’s pick one um it landed on my lap uh when uh when we heard about

The David Wallace Richard Marsh thing um I had known David previously years ago from uh when he worked me over during the Patrick Brown Scandal a true story uh and if I’m getting the chronology right uh I met Richard through David and then uh I heard of you through

Richard and started to talk to you and I just thought your story was so compelling and it was attached to an organization that I had never heard of before but was amazed perplexed and infuriated that not only did they have all these cozy relationships with conservative politicians worldwide but

That they also like many other sects of Christianity and other religions I assume uh were really awful in the how they handled family situations and sexual abuse and oppression of women and things like that so I thought to myself like this is not something I’m an expert

In my my claim to fame for a religion is that I I hate it right so it wasn’t uh fueled by any you know desire to to to to write a wrong and and how religion was being you know used but because I was able to speak with Richard firsthand

And yourself firsthand um and if and a bunch of others it just made me feel like this was something worth fighting for or or at the very least worse it was worth giving people an opportunity to speak about their experiences and really I I thank you for all that intro stuff

That’s really humbling and everything but I’m personally uh the way I feel about it is that um you are brave Richard is brave all these people that came out laying others to tell their story all I did was ask the questions and let people talk and so I always feel

Like you guys did me favor rather than the other way around so kind of in summary you were you were wanding through the woods you find a sleeping grizzly bear and you get a gnarly stick and poke it up its anus just to see what happens is

That I guess that’s a metaphor yeah that’s that’s a metaphor but but no but it was you know it it was really the the incestuous relationship with politics um that that solidified it for me not that that your stories would have been any different or any less compelling but I

Feel like the hubris that the Plymouth Brethren Christian church has and that self-righteousness that that it has is due in large part to the fact that they feel like they’re Untouchable because of these cozy relationships that they have yeah and so that made it extra compelling and then of course Cheryl uh

You came on the show and and that sort of Set It Off for ex-members I think your your the courage that you show because of the story The that tragic story that you have I think made others feel a lot more willing and comfortable to to come

Forward and and to talk to me so I really owe you guys money so I’ll give you 100% of what I’ve made since uh since I’ve starting the podcast it’s interesting you say that because um you know there’s lots of Cults and lots of organizations that treat their own people very badly but

The fact that the Brethren are are messing with politics it it’s actually affecting everyone you know it’s not just the Brethren and their members and their ex-members it it’s actually screwing up the whole country and you know when it comes to these uh PPE scandals where they’re taking I mean you

Know people use the word billions lightly but actually billions actually billions of public money um it’s taxpayer money and and and you know I know n none of us aren’t enough to actually pay taxes but you know a lot of people actually do pay taxes and and

It’s it’s ending up in these guys Pockets thanks to these political connections so you know we’re doing the whole country a favor by exposing this stuff it’s not just about helping ex- Brethren I’m surprised that um I am I’m not surprised that that there hasn’t been a media Outlet that’s just carried

The torch for this story uh because of the era that we live in of how politically correct things kind of are right now I’m surprised that writer hasn’t decided or reporter you know to put out the headline you know um group notorious for oppressing women and covering up sex abuse receives billions

Of dollars in in government contracts like this is I thought that was the era that we lived in uh but but this story is proving that I guess there are exceptions and like you know a lot about politics I mean you’ve been you’ve been

In it for a while like what why do you think that mainstream media is is not picking this up the way that they should be Gerald shapur um I I have uh I have some experience um of what it’s like to have a story spiked for political reasons and

Um it was when it was in 2018 I was doing uh I I was investigating a story about um a certain CBC anchor who has since retired has hair like me um and the story was that the CBC with public money um paid to silence the mistresses that

He had throughout the years that also worked in The Newsroom at CBC and you know it was going well I was I was hired by post media I was doing informational post and after two weeks I get a call from my editor who asked me

If I knew who Jamie watt was and I said yes he’s the person that runs this uh crisis management firm called Navigator and he said Jamie watt uh called us and um apparently you called one of uh this Anchor’s ex employees and was really hard on her and I’m like I was just

Asking her questions I was not very hard on her at all uh in fact for James standards I was downright peachy with her you know like I was very polite but long story short they they canceled my contract during that phone call all it took was a phone call from someone

Powerful Jamie W to the legal department to the legal department listeners who Gerald chapor is Gerald shapur is uh general counsel for the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church he used to be the general counsel for the Conservative Party of Canada and Steven Harper’s personal attorney if I’m not mistaken I

Believe he was also one at one time Pier pv’s personal attorney uh that could be wrong but I thought that that was the case either way let’s just go with uh the first three and so my just to Circle back to your question the answer that I would give

You is that if uh a legal department say say say the the Plymouth Brethren are contacted and by a reporter and someone wants to do a story I feel like it’s not it’s highly likely that that person would contact some higher up at the pouth Brethren who would contact Gerald shapur and then

Gerald chapur former uh attorney for the Prime Minister would then call the lawyers at National Post Toronto Star whoever post media and be like I don’t think you want to do this and lawyers are weird there’s a whole hierarchy and the way that they relate to one another

If you’re just coming out of law school you might as well be the rookie on the hockey team who has to go fetch everyone’s lunch and gets like you know hazed and all that but someone has renowned as Gerald shapur calling the legal department of torstar or post

Media is probably all it takes for them to then call the editor be like you have to spike the story and he was the guy who was hired to well I mean he was hired to find me and he then in turn hired um David Wallace yeah um and you

Know so he was the kind of the Evil Genius behind the whole thing and even going back nearly 20 years he was hired to bring down you know one of the predecessors of geta Life which was you know it wasn’t a podcast it was a website peebs got peeps. net and he

Spent I don’t know seven or eight years hunting down this guy in Vermont who had published a you know by today’s standards very mild website criticizing the brethren you know so he’s the he’s the Brethren’s attack dog lawyer um I mean there’s a one point I want to make here

That the lawyers you know people say all all lawyers are bad I mean there’s good lawyers there’s bad lawyers even even bad people even criminals should have a lawyer to defend them so but but there’s a certain class of lawyers whose job is to attack innocent people and Geral

Shaper comes into that category and that that’s very very dirty business indeed people they go after they know they are innocent and yet they’ll use every Twist of the law that they can to oppress and try and drag people down yeah that’s kind of feel like what will

Be their undoing yeah you know is that that need to save face or something you know like yeah you know like they they just and again that’s the hubris though that they they literally feel like they are don’t have to answer for anything why should we have to answer for it’s like ex-wife

Syndrome just no accountability whatsoever right I’m just speaking for myself don’t send me emails yeah well exactly I mean when the leader of the church is is certified to be infallible then obviously there’s no accountability because he can’t do anything wrong the funny thing is is he is showing signs of

Weakness I mean they have the universal meetings going on this weekend oh right now actually yeah yeah right now as we are recording this or I wish I knew a hacker that could patch us right in screen on screen like and supposedly his usual hourlong sessions are only half an hour right now

And he seems off um so now you don’t wish him dead or anything do you you wish him dead oh I I think it’ be better if he just lived a longsuffering life right like what what what did Mother Teresa say about s pain and suffering those are just kisses from Jesus or

Something yeah yeah one of the one of the sequels to Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy I think was called The Long Dark evening of the soul I think we could wish him that yeah agree as they pray for our death out here I don’t wish that on

Them no you can’t because then you become them and that’s not the point what what’s going to I mean not we’re not going to get anything done by that right the thing is is I want him my My Hope in all of this is that he watches

And hears enough of this that it breaks him down to become he just needs to get to the truth let’s just get to the truth the thing is is it would be so easy to turn things around in there it really would accountability brings change the

Thing is they’re so afraid of change in there that they block out their account accountability and he would just be like okay you know what this happened this happened this happened and let’s bring in the police let’s deal with this pedophile let’s deal with this situation let’s deal with this wife beater let’s

Deal with all of this that would kill a mainstream Christian Church he would have a you don’t think that would kill the cult you don’t think that that what that would what if you strip away accountability then eventually the the if the more you unpack it uh the more

Likely it will be that people will leave yeah but the thing is is when when true accountability happens you yes there’s going to be chaos no matter what but change will happen out of that gives this opportunity for an actual mainstream Christian Church to be birthed out of it absolutely there’s

Going to be people that leave it right absolutely the thing is is that he needs to go back to what is diseasing the whole cult right what’s diseasing the church that makes it this cult and if he could just sit back and realize hey you

Know someone I just got a report of you know this pedophile that’s been abusing this child or these children just take care of him just people will respect that like the the way that they try and say face is why they are in the predicament they are in you know if they

Would just deal with the situation I understand that this isn’t the first cult that’s had this kind of a situation I mean you hear this in all the cult right you hear this I mean it’s a Catholic church but you never hear about the other Cults having all this

Political cash no and that’s kind of what I wanted to talk about today is what do you think it would take to separate politics from religion because they use each other right they know that they need each other what do you think it would take to separate that I mean this

Is a longstanding issue we have on this planet yeah that I mean that’s a that’s a million-dollar question in a way there is a for as far as the Plymouth Brethren goes the the the cushion between them and the government are these companies these ubbt companies so they they could

And I’m sure they do easily argue that the companies have nothing to do with the church right like I think that’s what they’re what they try to sell um even though when you work at one of their companies you can’t eat lunch with a member of the plum

Bre that’s a good question I wish I had the answer because um we have enshrined in our rights of freedom of religion and expression but we also have uh not in Canada but in the United States they have this a Doctrine basically of separation of church and state it’s it’s

It’s spelled out and in Canada I don’t think we really have that I don’t think we have it spelled out like that I could be wrong about that I don’t know if in the Charter of Rights it says anything about um secular secularism or whether

Or not we have to put build a firewall between church and state I think most people just assume that we should but one way of possibly um really kind of putting the the gears to religious groups would be to stop making them exempt for things like property taxes yeah

Exactly make them account for the money they receive the the the most blatant examples of robbery that I can think of in my life are two things one is the mafia going to the Mom and Pop Stand and getting protection money and then the other thing are those [ __ ] baskets

That they that they pull out for Catholic Church anyways because that’s what and I you know I I used to watch people throw money in there was like and then I’d watch it go to the back and I would literally imagine like myself just like Yay like like I’m in the money you

Know like or something because there’s no accountability for it do you think it all gets reported no does any of it get reported are they are they even like supposed to I don’t know how any of it works I I wish I was a little bit more

Up up to speed on that but that would be my first thing I would I would yeah I would force a an audit like like a monthly audit no never mind every five years or something a monthly audit for churches and religious organizations that are tax tax exempt and I would wave

The property tax thing and I’d say take it out of your donations if you really like you know you yeah yeah and not just the property tax the whole charitable status I mean if they the point is about church like Plymouth bre and Christian Church is that yeah they’ve got this

Little Charity Wing which in financial terms compared to their total income is Tiny it’s like 2% of the money they take in tax-free goes to our RT the rest is all internal to the church well fine give them tax exemption on the 2% but tax them on the 98% because the fact is

There’s no that the lines between business and religion and charity have all got so blurred yeah that you just I think they should treat every religion as a business except for the areas in which it specifically can prove that the money it’s spending is for charitable purposes yeah and that would just that

Would I think that would solve the whole problem overnight I I did a story once uh like maybe 2007 and um it was uh I wanted to know what it would be like to be attempted to be recruited by Scientology so I don’t know I I don’t

Know if it’s still there or not but there was a Scientology place on Young Street near Dundas I think and uh I I was kind of wandering I was looking in the window you know and sure enough someone tapped me on the shoulder and showed elron hub’s book about dynetics

And then sat me down and I held the cans and um they you know here’s the thing about the can you know what they really are there it’s like the same technology as like a lie detector it just shows spikes in your pulse that’s all it

Really is right yeah and so they said think of something that that was that’s really upsetting to you and I had just had a bad breakup and when I thought of it I saw the thing fly right like the needle flew up and but that’s when the grift starts right they’re like those

Are the Theon yeah trying to escape your body you’re holding them in we can help you here’s the price list yeah and then I went in and there’s like a 10-page contract that they want you to sign right away before you can join and it asked for your mother’s banking

Information and things like that wow so I’m sitting in this in this room with this book and this like I called it an exam I was like like it was that long and I just left and I put the paper up my shirt and left the book there and I

Left they [ __ ] like followed me out of the building and started walking behind me and I just turned around I’m like you don’t want to walk behind me like I just acted crazy for a second and they were like this and then then I left

I wish I still had that sheet of paper though it was crazy but here’s the point I’m trying to make is that they they sat a very very uh longwinded way to make this point is that the the property that they had would have been $1.1 million a

Year in property taxes because of was such how how valuable the real estate was and they never had to pay a scent right yeah so that is the kind of thing that I think is uh it might ship away at this but I but honestly the poison pill

For the pbcc to me is their relationship with politics because it’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen except maybe the Catholics but that was really more about donating to Catholic Charities that wasn’t really about Catholic businesses this is totally unique in that regard I don’t know how many Jehovah Witness

Businesses there are or Scientology businesses there are that that are completely funded by governments and that’s where they’re unique I think yeah you did the podcast just recently with um Canadian politics are boring and I was listening to it and I’m not sure if

It was you if it was one of the hosts that had said we were they were we were talking about uh Stephen Harper and somebody had said that it’s got to go far beyond who Stephen Harper and Pier po because the the TR record of them being involved in politics has to extend

Beyond that and I never thought of it until I had heard it like that and I’m like absolutely of course it would have had to right I think Stephen Harper was when it was first blown up into media when everybody showed up on the front row of his um victory speech right yeah

Like do did that fit with you do you think it’s gone beyond like how far back do you think this this could extend to I think probably provincially we may have seen that it went far back but I can’t really I mean I don’t know the answer to that first of

All but I I don’t remember Brian maron’s uh government being really socially conservative you know I I and so I think that that’s kind of a necessary trait in order to like be partners with the pbcc um my short answer is I don’t know how

Far back it went but my second answer is I don’t think it goes as far back in Canada as maybe we would like to think because you know they’ve been around here for so long maybe it was concentrated more municipally back then that’s a possibility because of how

Entrenched they are in whatever locality that they’re in so I could see like whatever region uh or municipality uh you know um Maple Creek Falls under there might be there might have been something there but I don’t know federal government and provincial government I I

Think it was a lot less if it was even there at all uh I think I think you’re right I think it blew up with stepen Harper um it’s funny though that even when you say that um and and I say that as well as I repeat what you just said

Is there is no um mainstream knowledge of the swearing on the Bible or the people in the front row it’s not common knowledge even to this day so they have managed to still be able to sort of hide who they really are again I think because Gerald chapor calls other

Lawyers at media companies and says don’t do this and then just listen you know so that something’s gonna have to change in that world maybe Gerald Shakur’s untimely death or U or dementia might might finally bring all this to leg you know I’m not threatening J I’m notely Brethren didn’t

Really it was Bruce Hales who brought the Brethren into politics in a big way and he only he kind of started in Waton in the late 90s um and then there was there was a liberal government in Canada at that time and it was only when Harper

Got in with the Brethren’s help that they actually had that contact in government that leverage in government which they’ve been exercising ever since and partly the reason they hate Trudeau is not because they hate his policies it’s just because they’ve got no they got no grasp on him they’ve got no

Control of the guy they want the guy that they own in his place they don’t really care what Trudeau does he’s just blocking the throne from their guy um another interesting thing I found out very recently about shaper is that um back when you know there was kind of a

Crisis in the in the conservative party in Canada kind was split into two pieces wasn’t it there was the Reform Party and the conservatives and the only way they could win was to unite them shipper was absolutely key in the formation of the the modern conservatives and he was also

Absolutely key in persuading Steven Harper to run for prime minister um there was a meeting held at Gerald shaper’s house in which they dragged Steven Harper in um and it was Gerald shaper and Ezra an and a few other people and they basically put him under

A whole lot of pressure and told him look you’ve got to run for pm and that meeting was held at Gerald shaper’s house which of gives you an idea of you know he’s like the king maker in conservative politics that’s the same meeting where Ezra Levant decided not to

Run in the writing that he yeah and then Ezra Levant drops out to let Steven run and of course Ezra Levant and Joel shapper were Partners together in the same Law Firm or rather he was it was it was shaper Advocates was the law firm and Levant was working for them along

With Jonathan Dennis who um you know so it’s a very J Sher is Right embedded in the power structure of the conservative party and then of course Gerald shaper is the business partner of Pierre poer in the rooc calls business so yeah you know he’s he’s always there there’s this

Ugly ugly face lurking in the background but you know he he’s like only without all the charm and good temperament yeah exactly you know I don’t really get involved in politics I really don’t but there’s one thing that doesn’t sit with me right now and I’m just going to speak

This out to the ex-members that I know of here in Canada that are um really wanting pier in as prime minister it’s not a good idea right like I am nowhere on the Spectrum I don’t consider myself left I don’t consider myself right I don’t even know what I consider myself

All I know is that when I see ex-members promote here I want you to understand you’re promoting money getting back and power getting back into the Plymouth bre and Christian Church it’s just anybody conservative at this point in time that has a history with chapur has a history with Stephen

Harper is a bad move for the movement that we are trying to do and I’m not gonna lie I’m going to go on a little bit of a Sher R here it really frustrates me and hurts when I have conversations with people about Harper Harper Harper Harper and all all all

This thing is how this ties that the pbcc have in with the conservatives yet I see posts that they make and conversations that they have I’m supporting Pierre come on you guys what the [ __ ] up like if you are going to be advocating for Pierre to come in as

Prime minister here in Canada you are literally putting an open pocket in into the pbcc because maybe it might not be necessary to just Pierre but he Pier like anybody in that group is going to be having a line of the pockets are going to all line up so I just caution

You is understand what it is that you think you need yeah we’re all TI tired of Trudeau everybody’s tired of Trudeau here we’re all tired of him especially here in Al I mean we are but come on like understand like what what it is what for me my whole purpose of doing

What I’m doing is to try and unravel the pbcc for the safety of my family my nieces my nephews future Generations that’s where my my allegiance lays right now that’s why I do what I do no way in hell would I tick Pier po ever’s name on

A box that goes completely right up against the movement that we are trying to do so I’m just putting that out there to the ex-members to those people who are saying that they are supporting me and what we’re doing and the movement that we are trying to do yet I see all

These posts Time After Time After Time supporting Pierre it just doesn’t make sense so I just suggest that you do your research you understand who Pier’s connections are um and I’m I’m not saying vote for trudo I mean I know we don’t have many choices but the thing is

Is if you’re voting for Pierre you are voting for The pbcc AB I always tell everybody to vote NDP because they haven’t had a chance to wreck the family car yet I think that they deserve one absolutely yeah I mean I just saw a post today on on Twitter on X uh Stephen

Harper is starting a fundraising campaign to get Pierre in he’s trying to collect 500 he’s trying to collect half a million so it’s Stephen Harper who’s intimately connected with the Plymouth Breen Christian Church doing a fundraising campaign now where do you think a lot of that half a million is

Going to come from it’s going to come from the pbcc yeah it’s funneling straight in maybe we need to concentrate on uh finding out where how when this money is do out but in real time because we always have to play catch-up right we always have to figure out oh oh the P

Like the PPE contracts we didn’t really know about that until months and months later right yeah there’s this crazy system whereby the packs don’t have to submit their accounts until after the election I mean that’s just too late then have to get permission ahead of time to take the donation and get it

Signed off before they get the money exactly but I guess what what would require and this is where my mind goes like BL because I’m not made of this type of organizational skill but it would require like finding out in the ministry of Health in Alberta ferally or

Whatever what are all the contracts coming up what are they for who’s bidding them that this information I believe is available in real time I could be wrong about that um but looking at for it in hindsight kind of ruins it because already were granted the money

And uh you know maybe we can start honestly this stupid our world is right now we would probably have a better shot at ruining uh pbcc businesses through hashtags that Trend rather than actual sound reporting I’m not even kidding cult Cas or something you know and then

Put all the details underneath it in a little article or something like that people be like cult cash what do you mean oh my God that’s crazy but but if you like six months later did you know the money that they got through the bard of house and everyone’s already tuned

Out it’s not news anymore is it exactly yeah yeah no it’s very true it’s just it’s something that keeps me up at night when I wake up in the middle of it is my my mind goes to where where we are sitting in Canada what I’m trying like

What the all of us x members have been trying to do and yet oh I just I do not trust Pierre I do not trust Stephen Harper and you know the pbcc and the state that they are in right now we have uncovered need conservative in more than ever right now

They need it they need that support in government to be able to not crumble the way that they know that they’re going to start crumbling yeah yeah it’s just watch please please please watch for the reasons why you are voting and I know I sometimes I just get to the point I get

Very very angry and I want to draw a line in the sand where I’m saying you know what don’t come to me don’t be coming to me when you are you’re you’re you’re coming to me supporting all this yet you’re you’re putting someone in power that is going completely up

Against what we are doing so I there nothing to do with their politics it’s nothing to do with they’re left wi or rightwing it’s it’s where they’re getting their money and influence from yeah you you almost have to remove the whole politics part part out of this

Right you have to remove it all out of it and just understand the logic of what’s happening in behind right they should just vote for The People’s Party honestly if if they if they’re conservative and they don’t feel like the NDP or the Liberals are going to do

It for them just vote for bernier’s party yeah what was it a ABC anything but conservative yeah I one of the things I hate the most about Canadian politics is that revolving door between and conservatives yes and then what happens is everyone gets um so uh people

Had [ __ ] uh regime fatigue right so they voted in um uh well at the time it was John turn like whatever uh they had Maron fatigue and then they had cretan Paul Martin fatigue so they voted in Harper then they had then we all had Harper fatigue so we voted in Trudeau

Now everyone has Trudeau fatigue so we’re going to vote in pev it’s and it’s funny because there’s um I understand why people I don’t like the Trudeau government for various reasons I but I’m also like you know not one of these people that is like the sky falling

Because Steven Harper or or Trudeau is prime min what makes different for me is that he does have connections that he will most certainly exercise with this cult but also Steven Harper whether you loved him or hated him um managed for a conservative to governed pretty close to

The Center for a conservative person you know like he did a lot of things that were like holy [ __ ] like musling scientists and things like that but really at the end of the day did the Sky Fall after the eight or nine years that he was in office or however long was did

You know were we like destitute as a nation were were we ranked like last on the you know quality of life index no it was fine like he you know it it you didn’t like him I didn’t like him that’s great Trudeau same thing like this guy’s

Not going to fall um because this guy’s in office but I think people um are we’re entering an election cycle where you’re not voting for anyone you’re voting against people so even people that are ex-members of the pbcc that know that pev um has a bunch of deep

Contacts within that cult they might plug their nose in vote for him because they hate trudo that much and that’s what frustrates me it’s just it like I’m literally I’ve cried over this so I’m not gonna actually wasn’t even planning on talking about this today I have literally C’s no crying in podcast

Cheryl look how much it’s affected me it’s because I this is hours we put into this like this is just us volunteering our time trying to get this movement going and then you have all these people that are supporting it and then in the next breath they hate Trudeau so then

They think their only option is Pierre well I’m like I just my guess my point I’m reiterating again is if you vote for Pierre like I am I just draw that I don’t want to hear from you because you are supporting Bruce hail you are supporting ubt you are supporting all

Those priests you are supporting pedophiles you are supporting all these people who are going to now be financed maybe it’s not directly but stepen Harper is hand in hand with Pierre which makes the pbcc right there we know the history and we know how much they are

Hurting right now and they we they want the conservatives in in order to be able to survive I’m just saying don’t please like if you are if you are genuinely concerned about supporting the this movement that we’ve got going just watch what you’re doing just like you got to understand what you’re

Doing don’t do it because because you hate Trudeau I mean I was a hardcore conservative my entire life my husband was in the oil patch which made me a that that just suited his job right it wasn’t until I started uncovering all this it was hard it was hard for me to

Give up the conservative um push I guess of just it was just easy to do that because it supported my husband’s job never in my life would I ever go back to supporting someone who even has the slightest drop of maybe having an affiliation with the pbcc while it is in

The state it is in yeah yeah I agree okay I wanted to go on we’re just gonna move on here because we need to I want to go through everything that you have helped us with and I know that you don’t like thinking that you’ve helped us you

Once you see this you’re gonna realize why we are so grateful for you so we’re going to go through all we’re just going to go we’ve got there’s like 40 some of them so we’re just gonna quickly go through these this is my favorite picture of Richard by the way

It looks like it’s like uh he’s confessing his love to me on a boat or something you know where was this taken oh that was that that was um scabra scabra scabra Shoreline not not scabra UK scabra the Bluffs yeah I remember that day yeah no I wasn’t

There so this is I think this is the very first one you did wasn’t it I believe it was I don’t know if you or Richard were first no Richard was before me okay okay yeah yeah yeah I mean this this was just a picture you pulled from

One of my old videos I think so this wasn’t actually on the podcast but this was uh this is where it started and I’m looking suitably stressed and serious for the occasion that’s right then we get into y so this is this is podcast that caused

A lot of problems right like um because David and Nathan basically said that they were in a roundabout way asked to deal with or get rid of prime minister which I still don’t think meant kill I think just meant by any means necessary get him out of office that’s what I

Thought it meant but who knows I don’t know how deep the Hubers is with the pbcc but that was an interesting podcast to say the least absolutely yeah and Nathan Jacob ply Brethren Christ Church asked me to what was it put down the prime was it I can’t remember what

The what the rest of that screenshot yeah yeah I think that I think the biggest takeaway from the Nathan Jacobson interviews is is that he um is the G is that Brad Mitchell had confessed confessed isn’t the word Brad Mitchell had boasted about being behind that British Columbia no no the school

Story this this rumor in the Buffalo Chronicle that got blown up I was the one just yeah yeah you were involved in that I was one of the reasons that it and listen I I apologize like the next day but yeah you’re right I he he

Confessed that I don’t know if he I think maybe he was trying to take credit for something that wasn’t his because the all the people that I heard it from and I’m not trying to defend the pbcc we’re all former Harper staffers so I thought it was just the work of a Cory

Taneki type character or something like that like some operative that um that wanted to put in The Ether knew the right people to call who would then pick up the phone and call people like me who who then would believe it cuz dude I had like four people that I didn’t even

Think knew each other tell me the same story well I found something interesting about it because the Buffalo Chronicle is owned by some quite young guy who he’s not even Canadian he he’s he’s in down in San Francisco Cisco in business there which of course is where Rod

Diplock is Rod diplock is extremely wealthy so my theory is a pbcc member just for those yeah Rod diplock is is one of the contacts along with Brad Mitchell who s of organized my kidnapping I think rod diplock and Brad Mitchell went along to the to the owner

Of the Buffalo Chronicle and the oh yeah the other thing is the owner of the Buffalo Chronicle had actually advertised to um do political hit jobs he’d actually put an advert out saying you know if you want anyone taken down you know come and speak to me so I I

Think diplock and Mitchell went along to this Buffalo Chronicle editor in San Fran and basically gave him half a million and said yeah pull down Trudeau by any means you can yeah maybe maybe we need a post maybe we need another podcast about that I just dug up a

Really interesting breadcrumb trial that led back to that yeah so these are all the Nathan Jacobson’s podcast for those that haven’t seen any of these like it’s please go back on black bald and just start S like going through all of the podcast that James has done with the pbcc

Um information yeah you can go to my my YouTube page is basically or Spotify but there’s no clips on Spotify so the YouTube page has everything but we can the link after the podcast yeah I’ll put the link here yeah this that picture was lifted from the

Documentary I think wasn’t it yeah yeah it was yeah got my best shirt on that was quite you know you’re tripping me out a little bit this is almost nostalgic because there was like a period of time from like May to like October where it was

Just like a few dozen I think podcasts that were pbcc it that’s all it was yes exactly yeah yeah yeah and uh yeah and and and by the way I’m back now like I’ll I know and I really wanted to let people know like it’s super important to

Let people know that you’re back now and that they can reach out to you yeah and I just want to address the elephant in the room with James and his podcast and ex-members so would they everybody talks about James’s Faith you know what I don’t have any faith

It’s okay it doesn’t matter I pray to me for me go on matter I don’t see why people get so caught up that are hardcore Christians that won’t touch James in his podcast because James comes across as an atheist doesn’t have faith doesn’t believe blah blah blah blah

Blah and I mean when you grow up in the Brethren you’re taught that an atheist is something terrible I mean the word atheist is said with a special sort of intonation the same way you speak about Satan so you know it just scares people you know and I mean you have got you

Know used to have that little pointy beard James um probably kind it was my devil beard yeah you’re right F fed into the image um so but well listen and and that’s fine like even if I knew that I was having a guest on the show who hated

My guts because of atheism I would never bring it up I don’t think I’ve ever really insulted any guest believing in what they believe in I may have christas for goodness S I may have said something off hand where it’s like well I mean you know we all know that Heaven and Hell

Doesn’t exist so that’s a Pity because he won’t be going to hell like I may have said something like that because that’s who I am but it’s never it should never be taken as a it’s not about that right this isn’t about anybody’s beliefs this is about a movement that’s

Happening this is about an end goal that you poured your heart and soul out and I mean I mean good question is is like I sure that these interviews and how much you have helped us has taken a toll on you at times I’m sure it has I mean it

Couldn’t I mean hearing the stories that you have heard I mean has it has it affected you like does it does it take a bit sometimes it does um because I also have experience with abuse as a kid right so sometimes um you know it gets

To the point where I I I need a break from it like like there was a there was a stint last year where I think I did like a dozen shows in like three weeks all pbcc all ex-members 90% of them were abused you know listening to the stories

And whatever and I noticed that I sort of held on to some of that anger and anxiety when I would go off air and so I’ve taken breaks like like intentional breaks from it but I think um the best part is is that I I always say to myself

Let’s just get on with it and and and keep going because exactly I’m not going to stop doing the shows I may just you know now I’m going to do them once a week kind of thing and and keep it going like that rather than four shows a week

Yeah it is exactly that’s what we’re and I don’t want and I don’t want to make it sound like it drove me to medication or to the psychiatrist office or anything but it is very draining like it it can be very and also the way I do the

Interview is conversational so it’s less mechanical and therefore more emotional right like it’s uh you know I’m I’m trying to connect with these people rather than read a question and if you’re successful at connecting with someone who’s telling a really sad story it has to make you sad to me it’s that

Emotional connecting while doing a podcast that just adds this fuel into the movement right because people who are listening and viewing this they feel that right and it is about the heart connection it is about the emotional connection but it does I mean it does

Take a toll i’ I’ve had I’ve had many many burnouts um but it’s definitely one of a week is very manageable yeah yeah so I just want to put on here on the screen right now Carmen D was also on James’s podcast a faith-based person who who

Doesn’t judge me for my atheism by the way and again out to Dennis is is a very fervent Christian yes and he was super nice and super oh he’s so sweet isn’t he oh and and yeah Dr laik is like one of the most entertaining podcasts I think I’ve done

She was in a cult at one time right she certain was yeah and for an academic she was remarkably humorous do you remember she she had to put off the podcast because she was attacked by a turkey or something remember that’s right was it her dog was attacked by a turkey what

Something like that and I was like and I told her I think I told her on the phone I’m like I have to believe you cuz like who would ever make up something like that like that that’s my dog got attacked by a turkey okay it’s it’s it’s

Kind of um well what what do they call it Just Desserts because I mean it’s Christmas time and we’re all attacking turkeys so it must be fine just for you know one one in a million times turkey attacks person yeah yeah exactly you don’t question it right if anybody’s not researched her

She’s got some she’s got an excellent book on I’m in the middle of reading hers right now I see her on CNN I see her on MSNBC very active right now yeah yeah and then down here’s another a very fervent right Ron I don’t think he would ever come on my show

Anymore no I’m serious I don’t think I I’ve heard through the crep fine that he’s not a big mine um I I thought the podcast went really well you know I we I don’t I didn’t argue with him I actually let him basically confess and take and

And ask for forgiveness and and I thought it was a very emotional conversation at the end of this podcast I remember being like a little bit choked up because I I you know I got off air and and everything and I was like like imagine putting yourself in this

Person’s shoes yeah he was the enemy right and now the enemy is on camera talking about how he shouldn’t have done the things that he did I I gave you know you got to give him credit for that um now of almost like almost like the Newberg trials perhaps that’s an

Unfortunate might be a little bit of a stretch and this is Richard in 30 years yeah Richard Mar oh he’s such an incredible human oh he I called him Whimsical I think just that was my but that’s your uncle right Richard MCH yeah oh I speak of the devil yeah there

He is James rants over questions sent by the Western Standard to David and that sayra event for anyone who doesn’t know yeah yeah God and then Jackie Hart was on there yeah who was the one that he interviewed that I made the whole thing funny even though wasn’t a funny story

Oh that’s never happened James no no this was like and Hamilton yeah Miss Hamilton and and I did that intentionally because I was afraid of coming off in sensitive I don’t remember what the reason was I I think I just wanted a light-hearted show

That day and I was supposed to do a part two and I never did so I should do a part two with an for sure yeah you never really got into the rest of an’s story no and I should I should have brought it back but I just kept going yeah and then

This is Michael bachelard Michael bachelard is a great interview I I think I twice and this was my favorite oh I will yeah totally will’ll Play a clip of this after this it just this was so good this was one of your best tracks I loved

It yeah that was it was interesting I I wrote it in like five minutes 10 minutes or something like that and I just I I can’t remember what the reason was what why I decided to do it it could have been mushrooms but whatever it was a fun it was a fun track

You know that’s what they do yeah I mean J James is looking appropriately satanic in the picture there isn’t he I mean if they didn’t prop the top of the picture you’d see the horns pretty clearly I think I don’t know if the headline said something like atheist saves children I

Could believe that too somehow so for those of you that haven’t heard it here’s the clip of it three Two yeah yeah yeah yeah on the track way back in the day in 1848 this guy named John Derby set out to create a secret way of life where they would not associate with other types of people if those people didn’t share Faith baptized in scorn fames torn

The Plymouth brethen Christian Church is our officially born cult life is forever and if you ever leave you’re vilified ostracize minimize please on receiving ends of lies all the the crooked eyes all the last goodbyes to all your family ties you can see it in their eyes it’s

Vacant either you a Plymouth Brethren or you Satan 55,000 deep they make millions per week through the ubt then they do not keep receipts it’s a score [ __ ] I think I’ve seen the show before a fat guy envelopes of cash where’s your pork store babies indoctrinated and raped and

Isolated disgrace check the state of the faith it’s complicated complaints it’s all on deafness you hate this places you stay as a K were never sacred the doctrine of Separation was written by Psychopaths snatching kids from parents who decided that they want to take a pass on pedophilia molestation

Manipulation felony fraud who Hells you’re not a god what kind of a god eats at the trough with the other Pig sloppy piece of [ __ ] gods and the piece of [ __ ] kids stealing food from the mouth of the kids you abuse for a second Mansion a

Plane and a yacht to I assume you will soon speak with Jesus too but [ __ ] you got lunch with naratu at two you blew Jesus like a Ronald McDonald the business model bra providing bottomless f for bottom feers behold to the bottle bloated on the side of the

Road it’s throttled up and it’s cold it’s sort of a metaphor for out of control now Rise Up from the Flames creas away from the F yeah throw your locality up in the air set it on fire like you just don’t care go on there like a betterin and turn around and lick

A shot at the Brethren thr your locality up in the air set it on fire like you just don’t care go on there like a better now turn around and lick a shot at the Brethren I got hope like Cher but most of the time I just want to bust a

Couple of barrels over a nine like daero or design War plans attack the whole clan make stacks from the old men who diddled and ran Sinister plans include darkest [ __ ] in human nature gay and in the Brethren they chemically castrate you you don’t contribute dollars you’re sentenced to the bottom with weekly

Priestly business that accentuates the problem and Hell on Earth is Maple Creek and I know where it hurts but get off your knees and excise that cancer the pedophiles dance to apathe now switch up the playlist the chance to face this it’s more than a facelift you’re going

To need a spaceship if you are attempting to escape this see through trees like you blunted and Big Ups to Richard Marsh man now the hunter is the hunted cuz when that falls and the fat man crawls someone please let him know he’s not welcome on black bald in fact

Yo I make it my mission I will not rest until this [ __ ] cult is out of commission so throw your locality up in the air set it on fire like you just don’t care go on then like a better one or turn around and lick a shot at the

Brethren throw your locality up in the air set it on fire like you just don’t care go on then like a betterin now turn around and lick a shot at the brethren I’d like to give a big [ __ ] you to Bruce hails hi Brucey oh there it is Nathan Jacobson

Asked to take out Justin Trudeau maybe he meant take him out for dinner you know could have been interesting point there because I mean this is the this is the point where they um David and and Nathan were talking about um Putin having cancer and just recently there’s

Been news articles that what’s wrong with Putin is cheeks were all puffed up so you know maybe this is another of David’s prophecies thinks oh yeah well well that’s David thinks Putin has been dead since like the spring and I’m like believe that he’s like of course I do and I’m like you

Know how many doubles he has and I’m like I don’t I don’t know how many doubles he has yeah the one with the double with the fat still be called Doubles if there were more than one well that’s a good question isn’t it yeah uh brother Church me to take out just so

That that’s the out of the story that that taking out was uh removed via Scandal yes but of course it was sensationalized by I guess I was part of the sensationalism um well no I think I said on the podcast I’m like yeah maybe that doesn’t mean kill you know that’ll

Be quite a story if it meant kill maybe someone else might pick up on it all in order so I apologize to Breen Farmers Point as Aussies with bad spinach well it’s funny because in their recent in their recent business seminar the Brethren were told by their own business

Gurus that there’s a lot of money to be made in a crisis and and sometimes you need to make The Crisis happen so maybe this was a kind of a failed plot to poison half of Australia and then come up with some vacine against poisonous

Spinach you as as you can see with the headline of this one I needed a headline line writer Cheryl hope and Richard March the pbc’s land scandal in great Des was bad what a crazy and do we have an update on that like what have the

Have they fixed it do we know if they’ve gone through and actually restored this yeah well the last I saw I mean they’d put grass down they’d put sod down over the whole area but and they got pegs for where they thought the gravestones used

To be and they were going to put the gravestones back um but I don’t know if they’ve actually put the stones back there was some dispute as to whether they’d put the pegs in the right place yeah yeah I remember but yeah they basically they’ve yeah they’ve basically had to reverse everything and

Put it back like it was so that’s a pretty good outcome yeah these aren’t in order um Lance chrisy interview that was that was fun Craig Hoy yeah that was a great interview yeah he’s so articulate and he’s got a new book out just so everybody knows called excommunicated so if you haven’t

Oh it definitely order it now he was writing it when I talked to him so yeah that’s good y That’s out yeah I haven’t received mine yet so we in Canada so it’s a little bit later but um yeah once I’ve read it we’ll have a on get a life

And we’ll go through it and Terry Smith there she is is joined in with all the Maple Creek Fiasco yep Heidi mccamley yeah another ongoing battle and which her story is really sad yes such a sad story we’ll update when we can yeah David Wallace we still might do a

Podcast yeah what happened to his podcast like what you guys were starting a podcast or he was starting a podcast oh just time and uh me being busy I’m I’m going to Milwaukee again in a couple days so okay um just through freelance work and everything so it’s just it’s

Just a matter of getting it done um I might just do it all remot because uh I think David has a producer so we might just do that and we’re going to do I don’t know what we’re going to call it but rater was what Jesse Brown used for

His podcast series but he lifted that from David so we might do a series called the original Rat [ __ ] or rat [ __ ] origin story or something like that just just call it [ __ ] rat yeah or fat rer Canon Land [ __ ] oh she’s hilarious Bey yeah again

Her sense of humor is like yeah she’s super funny yeah such a sad story too though she’s just so she just her perseverance right yeah she’s got such good perseverance oh there yeah there’s Anne Hamilton yeah yeah so yeah you’ll have to do part two with her

This is weird all this stuff coming back at me like I remember you know I don’t I don’t even know how many more a lot that’s what I that’s why you wanted to do this is to really show um our viewers and listeners and you of like really how

Much you have contributed to this movement to be to what it is today blae Admiral blae is the most photogenic ex-member of all time he [Laughter] Is and then here’s just another clip of put me on Ice yeah Breen Christian Church asked me to put M Richard Marsh on Ice maybe they meant Johnny Walker and it wasn’t could have been I’ll open for interpretation isn’t it oh there it is yeah this is well this

Is my second one that I did with you okay this is where these are really not in order I thought they were but they’re obviously not in order in the file yeah so this is when Lane and I came on and then yeah uh this was she worked for

Ubt yeah actually had like direct you know conversation with the man him man of God himself yeah who called her a [ __ ] or something yeah she oh then this was the this story broke my heart I know jul right she sincerely wanted in like it this was

Such a Testament to the falseness of how they say anybody can join like no no you can’t yeah so if you haven’t watched her podcast oh man definitely watch her podcast yeah oh this is when I was on after David Wallace on one podcast yeah I

Think it was after I think it was after CBC put out their little clip and Bradley mcum yeah who core help to our movement with the history on Aberdine again another like horrible story when you hear his oh man my heart broke when way he was treated yeah yeah

He’s just done another podcast for us about the abdine incident I mean he’s a he’s a very he’s a excellent historian and researcher and he’s put together a really really good podcast which recommend abine evidence yeah everyone listens to that for sure and Ben woodb from oh Windsor

Australia really fun to talk to as well Ben was great he was like Exquisite I would say you know like the way that the way that he handled the interview really like he was very thoughtful articulate um yeah he was just a great guy to have on the show great personality such a

Good personality and if you have don’t follow him on Tik Tok make sure you go find him on Tik Tok he’s known as ex-cult boy he has a huge following yeah he’s also got a YouTube channel oh there we go this is when we all came

On wow how come I don’t have a patreon right just like this is so much content I didn’t realize how much this is like hundreds of hours of podcasts that’s what I mean like dozens of Articles yeah I didn’t realize I didn’t realize it was

This I mean I sort of did but I never thought of it you know think too James a lot of the you did a lot of articles on some of these podcasts as well as the podcast itself that you did right yeah yeah yeah there’s a lot of written work

Which is really good I love your I love your writing on that I mean we maybe should put it all together into a yeah I think that own website or something yeah yeah so that people can course you can money why not is that what you said what’s that

I said of course you can send me money right I’m just kidding about the money you can have 50% of everything I’ve earned James that’s right um the the no the the money thing is funny because I I never think of the money when I do these stories like because

It’s the first time where I’ve this literally is the first time that I’ve done so much content on one thing be because I felt like not because I had to but because I wanted to yeah exactly yeah and that’s so genuine and authentic about your involvement with this whole

Movement that it had no ulterior motive it just was you were drawn into it it landed on your lap and yeah away you went with it so this I thought it was gonna get sued a hundred times between when I started and now I really did

Because there was like why are all these other people getting sued when I’m not like does don’t think I’m compelling enough to sue well I mean I think one of the answers there is that Ontario actually has some of the strongest anti-sap laws on the planet so you’re

Actually in a in a good place if you want to produce this kind of content I mean NE here or in the USA but it’s um you know they can yeah they can kind of pretend to take a suit against you in Alberta but it doesn’t have any effect

In Ontario ah Peter and this is Peter Hart he was on yeah that probably might be one of the guys that doesn’t like me just saying we don’t have to talk about it let’s move on this might be one of the guys that doesn’t like you yeah this guy

Definitely doesn’t like you do you think he knows who I am this guy Bruce I’m sure he does I’m sure he does think got like your his Nemesis yeah this is the podcast we did and released the um audio of was it strive 23 I think yeah

Yeah yeah I think it I can’t you can you can do an Australian accent James what was it um the half of my goods I give to the poor remember that yeah Bruce I can’t do an Aussie accent Dean Blondell can do a really good Aussie accent oh so

This is at the very beginning again look at Richard Richard you look like a punk rocker you look like youing radio head cover radio head is a band Richard you it’s not it’s not hair it’s just the band of my um band of my earphones so this is when David Wallace

Was on with you yeah and then this is Damen Hasty oh I love Dam shout out to Damen man absolutely yeah hardest working man in in you know in in the PCC Universe I think right like just the the amount of work that he does to try he

Has put in so much work and again like it was just like you James he has no ulterior motive other than to expose what he’s realizing isn’t being exposed yeah yeah you know what I I was thinking I was the ideal person to get all engrossed in this because of my

Criticism of religion and my interest in politics it’s literally just those two two things smush together and I don’t know very many thing other subjects in this world that I’m interested in that have that two-prong sort of Attraction oh yeah another horrible story um that she’s such a Survivor

Another huge Survivor Lara Payne yeah Laura is she’s also one of the first guests where I I it dawned on me that um the the strange and kind of uh impressive way that victims of this cult have a tendency to forgive their perpetrators uh mostly because she knows

That her perpetrator probably was abused him or herself and that to me like I walked away from this interview thinking about that a lot like this this is one of those interviews that resonated I think I took a I I may be mistaken but I

Feel like I took a break after this one because you know I was trying to wrap my head around that whole thing like well how much strength does it take to tell your story but then how much additional strength does it take to say that you

Forgive the the person that did this to you because the same thing probably happened to him that was really yeah you know and this was a really hard story to listen to and you know she’s she’s doing great she’s still on you know she still speaks

To a lot of ex- Brethren helps them and encourages them but yeah you know we don’t want to just because this interview was a long time ago we must forget that this happened and that there has not been Justice yeah and I think I think that was one of the reasons why I

Wanted to do this because we have I mean get life has got I mean this is going to be podcast I think is it 83 I don’t even know and so I I think it’s important that we remember all of these survivors who have had the courage to come on and

Tell Horror in stories that we still think of you right you’re still you’re still always on our mind and I think it’s important that that it is we do this kind of reminiscing and remind people of why we do what we’re do and who we’re fighting for and it’s just

It’s it’s super important to not lose sight of some of the really horrible stories of people that I mean we I mean I I I battle all the time even though we can come on like she puts this Brave face on I you think of Beth SE like all

These horrible stories Craig Hoy Bradley melum and like we put these Brave faces on to fight this fight but in fighting the fight it takes a added amount of um determination and passion and resilience because you’re in it all the time it’s not like you’ve put your story out there

And then you’ve gone on your life over here it’s not you’re in it all the time because yeah you are interviewing people that have very similar stories to yourself and so I do I just want to give a shout out to all those survivors that

Have come on get life and have on gone on to Black bald that we hear you we’re with you and we see you um with everything helping us fight the fight like I know what you’re going through and another point I’d like to make is that the Brethren and particularly the

Brethren leadership watch all of these videos they watch all of GTO life they watch all the blackball videos you do and think of how many horror stories that have been brought out on there and not a single one of those victims have the Brethren had the decency to come

Forward and say well we didn’t know what had happened and you know this is horrific and is there anything we can do to help sorry about it absolute silence so they know all this has happened and they’ve just blanking it out yeah that’s a really good point yeah you

Know again part of the Rat [ __ ] series I had Jesse Brown on too for the r [ __ ] stuff you did you had Jessie and Sharice yeah yeah I mean I traded him he hates my guts but I I traded him uh I’m like if you come on uh the show I won’t

Um scoop you on the uh on the nchi story that I know is the subject of your second podcast he’s like fine thank you for that that was like overwhelming almost like like I I can’t believe that I’ve done that many podcast I guess I

Can believe it but you know um it is really the niche you know what a lot of people have told me they they’ve said you should only do that only do ex-cult members not just play with Brethren but other religions and other Cults whatever

And I don’t think I could you know I I I could if it was like once a week and then that’s it but I want to do when I do podcast I usually want to do three four five shows a week because I just want to but I can’t do that many shows

On that particular topic that mentally mentally you would be able to do it no dude in order to take a break from uh the horrific stories of the ply Brethren I interviewed the reporter who broke the Jeffrey dmer story so that that gives you an

Idea that gives you a little bit of an Insight of like what your break was he that’s right yeah awesome well it’s been been a real trip though too guys with you like it’s been really happy that your podcast is doing so well um I watch it almost all

The time I’m uh you know I’m really like I like the idea of knowing that well I I could never take credit for the things that you guys do and how you stood up for things I like being like a cog in that wheel you know just because it

Makes me feel you know that something I’ve done was worth something you know that’s about this yeah I would have NE James like I would have never ever started this I would have never this is the last thing if somebody had come to me and said hey like Cheryl you’re gonna

Start a podcast andd be like you’re out of your mind I have lived in a cave a shell for like 30 years I’m like no way and it was I think it was helping you get the ex-members on it was being on coming on and getting more comfortable

And then till just one day we just was talking to Richard on the phone and it was just like like like I think I think we need to do this right I think and I would have never done it had you not shown me that this was possible that

This was needed right and I think it’s super important that we stay working and doing this side by side because you do draw in a different crowd than we draw in right um and I really really encourage the ex-members who have not gone on your show to tell their story

That I think it’s super important because all exposure on whatever shape or format you can do whether it’s a book whether it’s a podcast whether it’s JT whatever it is it’s super important to get it out there right now when um we’ve just hit them with all this Aberdine

Stuff and I know it’s really opened up a crack inside there from what the Insiders reporting back to us that this Aberdine is an issue so I just say stand on this Foundation that we’ve created um and let’s continue feeding this crack in there so that something does happen yes

People try try and move away from you know why are you guys doing this like let’s just let the things rest let’s the past rest the past is never going to rest the past is the present exactly if you do not if we don’t deal with the

Past that church is going to take hold of things that we don’t want them to take hold of and it is us coming forward and exposing what really is going on in there that is going to make this change and and if there if if there religious members like like ex-members who are

Religious and don’t like my my lack of faith um I’m the type of person where you can tell me that on the phone or in an email and just be you know be yourself and just be like listen I I if I come on your show can we just not like

Trash religion I will absolutely say yes it’s not really it’s not because it’s not about that for me like I’ll trash religion on Casual Friday do you know what I mean like I won’t do it in I won’t do it for a guest that I know

Believes I don’t think I I look I might have slipped and done that once if I’ve ever done that but I don’t think I’ve ever mocked anybody to com coming on my show especially The Bravery that it takes to come my show and tell these stories I cannot see myself being like

Well first of all you believe in a space god or whatever like I would never do that I would come up with a far better joke than that but I still wouldn’t do that like like live on air or or off the air um so yeah is going to respect your

Beliefs and where you are in life it’s this you put the rest aside at the same time just so we’re not confused about it I don’t want someone coming on my show and being like Oh well praise be to God because we all know that God is the

Reason that once someone starts doing that I might be a little bit prone to be like all right all right let’s move on because it’s a give and take you’re there to tell your story about how you were excommunicated and had the abuse and the things that happened to you

Because you left um I want uh I I don’t want to insult you by by by insulting religion or criticizing religion at the same time I don’t want to be left off track or or thrown off track by praising Jesus four five six times that happened

Once I don’t remember who it was and I was like at the by the end I was like all right all right yeah it’s okay like so believe in anything they want to believe in we’re there to talk about the cult and and the excommunication and the

Abuse and so I hope that doesn’t deter the people that I just convinced to come on the show but it’s just like it’s not about religion at all for me um it’s about the weaponization of a certain type of sect and the and and how I think it’s the worst thing

Ever when you see people like Dennis Rag and and Carmen and people that you that I know are believers um and how they had their faith weaponized and both of you as well when you were still in weaponized against them and their own well-being that is what I find really

Really heinous because really offensive it’s so offensive because and look i’ i’ I’ve softened on religion um in the last few years I’ve told the story a million times but I guess this is the first time on your podcast but um it stuck with me when Kobe Bryant and his daughter died

In a helicopter accident I remember because I have a daughter who I think she was five at the time that this happened and I was like trying to imagine what Kobe Bryant was thinking and feeling and doing as the helicopter was about to crash and he had his

Daughter in his arms or whatever the case may be and then I started thinking like you know because I like to torture myself what would I do if I survived something like that and and my daughter didn’t and the very first thing that came to mind was how envious I am of

People of faith when they’re grieving and I’m not even being close to a sarcastic about that whatsoever I am 100% purely envious and jealous of not having the ability to in a dark moment like that turn to something that would make me feel better even just for a

Moment you know my daughter’s in a better place I would pay and kill in order to have that feeling if I was stuck in a situation that dark and horrendous so I don’t have a problem with people and their faith um I guess I have a big problem with when people uh

Like leaders of these Cults and and the pbcc and Bruce Hales and whoever when they weaponize that belief in God for financial gain you know and and and to uh reconcile how they abuse and oppress women and children that’s where I you know when faith gets weaponized against

You like that that that’s I have a big problem with that but I have no problem with people uh of faith I really don’t you know just as long as it doesn’t hurt other people I’m fine with it thank you so much James we so appreciate there’s so many people behind

Me and behind Richard behind Carmen behind Lane that are very grateful for you open well I’m I’m also grateful that feeling is mutual so thank you guys okay thanks so much for joining us until next time everyone take care much love to you all please visit black bald with James D

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