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Rate the video, subscribe to the channel, turn on notifications. Piotr Czaban, journalist, citizen of the year 2023. Title awarded by the Journalists’ Society for courage, perseverance and uncompromisingness. Mirek Miniszewski’s barn, right next to the fence with Belarus, a few kilometers from Usnarz Górny. This is a special place in Mirek where we are.

A place from which help flowed in a wide stream to people in the forest who were somewhere nearby. Well, this place is now a battlefield, because it is a warehouse that is being closed down and has not been used for a long time.

And it’s hard to believe, but through this place, I think, on average, various things and values ​​have passed through. I think it’s over a million zlotys. The sleeping bags alone that passed through this place were worth about a million zlotys. But that’s history now.

This also translates into money, but also into specific human lives saved. This translates into the people who sent these sleeping bags and the money for them. Because here it was like that, transports simply arrived and transports arrived every day.

And it happened that at one point we wrote on Facebook that we needed professional, as they say, Himalayan, depraved sleeping bags. And two things happened. Firstly, we cleared out warehouses in Poland, because such sleeping bags are premium goods. In showrooms such as sports ones, they only have one or two pieces.

And the truth is that when people in Poland started buying sleeping bags for us, their price automatically increased. There were, for example, emergency kits, packages with a small tent and thermal foil. They cost PLN 50, but at one point in one day they jumped from PLN 50 to PLN 99.

Because we probably bought everything that was available in Poland. But now there are only remnants here that the Podlaskie Volunteer-Humanitarian Emergency Service, of which we are members, will be able to use all the time. We just have to take it away, because nothing happens here anymore. Is this a story?

Exactly. Is this a story that the new government and the people who sneaked somewhere along this border will forget? Should we also forget about it, it didn’t happen? There weren’t these things in this warehouse, there weren’t these precious sleeping bags, there weren’t these people who received these sleeping bags and help?

We won’t forget about it, that’s for sure. You will not forget, I will not forget, and the dozen, several dozen, maybe several hundred people who took part in what happened here.

However, we must know one thing: the basic, one of the basic functions of politics, including governments, is the function of forgetting or programmatic forgetting.

Because, as they say, there is such a nice concept popular in the language of business, a business as usual situation must arise, i.e. business must continue, and the narrative reminding us of everything that happened will be a disturbing narrative. This has always happened throughout history. How does it look in practice?

In practice, this topic simply ceases to exist, just as after World War II the topic of the extermination of the Jews ceased to be popular, stopped being discussed, and even became inconvenient.

For example, Holocaust survivors struggled with this and at some point they were asked, even in their own homes and families, not to talk about it anymore. Let’s not talk about it anymore. Let’s not talk, because?

It happened, but how much can we talk about this topic? You also recently received a comment on Facebook saying that as long as we can talk about all this, let’s end it now.

There were two post-Holocaust writers, survivors. The first was Jean Henry and the second was Primo Levi. They wrote books in which they mentioned what they experienced and what happened to them.

And they both committed suicide because they couldn’t function in the world, remembering what had happened in their lives, and the world didn’t want to hear much about it. Of course, here we have a completely different situation, here we do not have as much trauma as they experienced, like Holocaust survivors, but…

But can it be said that we do not have any trauma at all? No, we have trauma, but we will be very uncomfortable with this trauma. We are already uncomfortable. Why uncomfortable? Because people need to keep doing business. Who? What people?

For example, Poland with Belarus and Russia, Europe with Russia, Europe with Belarus. I think that maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m not wrong, but when I look at the narrative that is currently present in the media, I think that this is preparation for business as usual with Belarus and Russia.

Because let us remember that in Poland many people, many companies, starting with the transport lobby, i.e. transport companies that are among the largest in Europe, have very large losses resulting from the fact that the border with Belarus is closed.

Transport to the east was one of the main functions of our transport lobby, which is currently losing a lot. Fertilizer lobby. Farmers are waiting for fertilizers from Belarus, which have not been delivered to us for a long time.

These are primarily smuggling lobbies. Here, remember, the entire borderland lived for many years on pipes of alcohol and fuel, which is not available. These are people who are losing money. These are the forces that operate in the world always, everywhere, not just here, that will strive to restore it.

See how the narrative about Ukraine and the war in Ukraine is changing. Until recently, they were written about as heroes. People were boasting and rejoicing when they beat up the Russians in some cauldron somewhere, that the cadres, the descriptions were so beautiful and it was directly in the press,

As if without censoring the language, that the cadres came and the guys from Ukraine smashed them like a knife across the field. And everyone was happy. The slogan was very popular, what was it like? The Russian warlord and caribel is going to hell. People wore T-shirts with this inscription. This is not there.

There has been a narrative for some time that Ukraine is losing and that it should prepare for peace talks. The American Congress is extending the adoption of the aid package for Ukraine and I think this is a slow preparation for the end of this war.

This is trench warfare. Let us remember that World War II had to end as it did because Hitler broke too many alliances and too many agreements and business customs in the Western world.

Well, it had to be destroyed, but World War I, i.e. the war of position, ended with an armistice and there was simply no other option. Positional wars cannot be won in the 21st century.

So the same process that you have now discussed in the context of the war in Ukraine has already begun precisely in connection with this ongoing crime, the crisis on the Polish-Belarusian border, right next to us.

I see it as part of the process. We have repeated and repeat ad nauseam that the presence of immigrants here, in this place, is completely unnatural. This is not a natural migration route.

It had to be created, so to speak, by the bandit regimes here on our border, i.e. the Belarusian regime, or in fact the Russian regime, because Lukashenko is unable to do anything there. He had to have the approval and inspiration of the Kremlin for this.

So what happened here was the prelude to this whole process of Russia attacking civilization. Not on Western civilization, but on civilization in general.

So, in order for this business to start again with the East, with Belarus, with Russia, in your opinion, Western countries will accelerate this process of concluding peace on various conditions, when it comes to Ukraine itself, and when it comes to the Polish-Belarusian border, so what?

It is the denial of these deaths, these disappearances, the pain that people experienced on the road, which we also experienced and probably still experience.

Let me say ironically, how many deaths were there? 50? 60? Even if there were 500 of them and we didn’t find all those deaths. What is this? What does it matter? I understand that you are saying this ironically.

Well, ironically, of course. We have to say this today because people today don’t understand irony, so you always have to give a footnote to it. Now I say that ironically. For me, who was born and lived here and experienced all this, it matters, because these deaths should not have happened.

If the law and human rights were respected here on the border, if the services behaved with dignity and ethics and did not throw people into the Belarusian forest, just as the Belarusians did, throwing the same people into the Polish forest, many deaths could certainly be avoided.

But should we ignore all this? It happened and that’s it. It’s difficult. Let it be that way. We’ll get through anyway. We have to get on with it, if only because we also have to function somehow. We have families, we have our obligations.

But you know what, I think that we are constantly operating at a level of narrative that is no longer appropriate for me. I’ve been thinking a lot lately because I’m also trying to get back to normal, trying to get better. It’s worth saying one thing. That’s where to start.

People who experienced trauma due to what happened on this border, this trauma was not the result of seeing human misfortune and seeing corpses.

Just because you find a dead body and help them get out of the forest, there is still stress, but the trauma that the activists experienced was the result of the fact that this trauma was inflicted on us by the state.

I will come back to this later. It was not the fact that you were going to the forest to help that caused the trauma, but the fact that this situation happened in the specific context of, above all, our fear of the officers.

I remember this situation in the forest. I remember one situation when my girls and I were repairing a boy’s broken leg and border guard patrols were passing by.

And I remember my fear resulting from this fact, my horror, the fact that we had to use red flashlights at the minimum brightness level to see anything, because the leg was in a terrible condition.

There were cars and people driving by, and the only thing I could do was call the doctor who instructed us what to do with the leg, but the doctor couldn’t come.

It was all f*** from the very beginning, not the way it should have been. In general, it’s like one thing at a time. And now yes, you and I and our friends and many other people have experienced trauma, and that trauma,

People may not realize it, trauma causes physical damage to the brain. Trauma causes changes in the structure of neurons. These are irreversible processes. I don’t want to complain here, right? I don’t think I’m really that badly damaged, unlike many other people who have experienced it.

We are injured, right? So these are the people I see, one of our friends, I won’t say who is in the hospital at the moment. Not because you can’t cope with life, but because she was screwed by the Polish state.

Let’s be honest about it. This is something that cannot be forgotten from the perspective of the person who suffered these losses. This is just, I would like to say this.

The second thing is, and I realized this recently and I want to say this, I’m actually preparing with a group of people to present a summary of what happened in a slightly more solemn way.

Today I will only mention what I want to say. The second thing is that I realized that we had introduced a completely new concept into the language. I participated in the creation of this concept, as did our group, the Podlaskie Voluntary Humanitarian Emergency Service.

Namely, we introduced the concept of humanitarian rescue. This is something that has never happened anywhere in the world before, because humanitarian organizations have been operating in various parts of the world for a very long time.

This is once. Rescuers also function as such, whether they are ambulance rescuers or mountain rescuers. However, humanitarian rescue is a concept that can only appear in the context when

People who are humanitarian rescuers do it against the state. They do it instead of the state. They do it because the world they live in is so crazy that they can’t count on normal support.

Because in a normal situation, we would have nothing to do here. This is what the Fire Brigade, Forest Guard, Border Guard, Police and Emergency Services do. They deal with such things. This is what they do all over the world, and services have been established for this purpose.

This area was closed and a state of emergency was introduced here to prevent these normal mechanisms from working. And they didn’t work. Therefore, we replaced everything.

We replaced everything. We have replaced catering, we have replaced transport companies, we have replaced emergency services, we have replaced completely everything. This is next level. In general, an even higher level that I have recently become aware of,

I think I can say this, firstly, from the perspective of the age I am in, and secondly, from the perspective of a person who, as they say nicely, is not still on any payroll , so I can speak more than others, and three as a philosopher.

I think that in general I have experienced a situation here in which I question politics in general, the political order in the world in general. And I will say it this way. There was a time when journalists came here and asked me what I thought.

And I said, yes, on the one hand, there are borders, this is the legal order, the Border Guard should guard these borders in this legal order, but at the same time it should act humanely and in accordance with the law.

Today I think that, rising to a slightly higher level, I would like to say yes. Migrations are one of the basic functions of the human species. Migrations occurred much earlier than any political states were created.

Political state, I speak a specialized language, state, i.e. a certain legal state, state as a state, state in English. The political state is a late thing in human history. There were migrations before, people migrated because it is human nature.

And it’s not like migrants are breaking the rules by violating state borders. It’s like nation states have broken nature by setting borders. Some people will say I’m an idiot. Cool, I don’t give a damn.

I will say even more, I will formulate this hypothesis. The creation of a nation-state and its designation of borders is an act of violence that founds this state. That is, the very fact of the existence of a nation-state, a state as such, is an act of violence.

And therefore, we cannot perceive the functioning of the modern world differently as a world of organized violence based on the existence of states that have marked their borders, because this is a pathological thing from the point of view of human nature.

Some people will probably ask, but what if you allow people to travel around the world as they want? Well, that was the case more or less 100 years ago. After all, it was not us who invented the idea of ​​globalization of the open world, it was invented by the people who today are strengthening the borders.

Because it turned out at the very end that this openness applies only to human capital, or if a person sticks to capital, he can travel with it. However, a person without capital cannot move.

If you have money, you can live, be whoever you want, you can live in any country in the world. They will give you residency, they will give you the right to stay, but you have to have money. Everyone forgets that nation states as such were created thanks to immigration, thanks to migrations, where people came and came to work in order to produce this capital.

However, Western civilization today has entrenched itself in its stronghold, trying to protect its lifestyle and its prosperity at all costs, which, remember, the prosperity of Western civilization was founded on the plundering policy of colonization.

And I will say even more. We have nation states and we also have empires that existed in history, such as the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Russian Empire, etc. The empire, in turn, is a creation in which, if we say, the British Empire was founded on the legalization of maritime piracy,

The so-called . bookkeeping and privateering. In the 16th century, the Queen of England simply gave safe conduct to pirates and sea bandits, which allowed them to make money off Spaniards and Spanish colonies.

So, under the protection of the British Queen, pirates, such as a man named Riley, who later became a nobleman, rode and fucked up the Spaniards on the seas, in their colonies, took everything. This is how they built British politics.

Then this strong Great Britain invaded half the world, invaded people there, India, Canada, Australia, wherever the British went, they made room for themselves everywhere, cutting down the local population.

Colonial policy was the foundation of Europe. Among other things, there was also World War II. This is because Hitler and Germany as such were deprived of their colonies after World War I and they got angry about it,

So they decided to colonize the east, Poland, Belarus, Russia. There were supposed to be German colonies there, because it must have a state like a Western state, in this concept.

The whole idea of ​​our civilization is based on the fact that we must have resources in the form of colonies, i.e. places with cheap labor, places where we can obtain various types of minerals and resources cheaply and make a living from it.

And now, when we, I mean we, as representatives of the Western world, Poland did not catch on to this process, because we were partitioned then, then there was World War I, World War II, communism,

But today as members of the European Union, receiving funds from the European Union , we are the beneficiaries, which means that we can say that all these roads that we have built,

This Polish prosperity, this economic growth are also funded thanks to the money that was created from investments made based on the plundering policy of the world.

And, for example, you know, there is still this situation, because some people may wonder what Russia really wants. Well, Russia generally according to the doctrine formulated by a certain Dugin,

The villain of Russian political thought, is a country, that is, it is a civilization that is in opposition to the Atlantic civilization, the center of which was as if set around the British Empire,

Which, having access to the sea, could apply this colonial policy. The Russians didn’t have it, remember that the Russians basically have no access to the sea.

They have access in Murmansk, in the very north, and in the Baltic Sea. They have no access to the sea, therefore their expansion processes have been severely inhibited for centuries.

They could only expand to the east, which meant they reached practically the Sea of ​​Japan and a little to the west. And what are Russians angry about today?

That they cannot continue plundering, that their plundering imperial policy ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union and that they cannot rob countries such as Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine, etc. Let’s

Just see that Russia has not developed any industrial culture, and if it produced it solely based on the theft of ideas, because everything the Russians have, all the technology, is technology that

Was stolen from innovative Western societies. Everything from optics to cars, the atomic bomb, the space conquest program, everything was stolen as part of juma and industrial espionage.

They’re pissed that they can’t keep stealing. This war that is going on now is a war over the same thing all the time. In short, when making such a preliminary summary, we are constantly participating in the processes

That result from the fact that the civilization we live in today is at its very foundations. Coming back to the issue of migration, it is not that the migration we are experiencing is a problem, or that it is a problem that the West has to deal with.

NO. Migration, the migration we are experiencing now, is a fundamental element, a building block of this civilization. This is an element of this civilization. The civilization, economic and legal order in which we function does not exist without the phenomenon of migration.

It’s not like we can solve this problem, because we would have to solve our civilization altogether. It exists, it is inscribed in our structure and we will live with it, because nothing will stop man on his journey to a better life.

Because yes, the human species has existed since the very beginning of its existence, i.e. approximately 250,000 years ago, and 6,000 years is a civilization that we can trace in various artifacts, as a certain political process, a process that is recorded, we can also trace it in archaeological artifacts.

This is just how it looks and if it is such a general level, and at this most basic level, we here living in this Wasteland have at some point confronted this problem. He also touched us, he touched us to the extent that he touched us, and we wonder what it’s all about.

And also speaking about it in the past tense, Poland, among others, us, we still have Kaczyński’s country and his accomplices in this work of destruction and evil on the Polish-Belarusian border in our minds,

But we have basically had a new post-election reality since October 15 and it was only a matter of time when Donald Tusk’s government would be formed. I don’t know about you, Mirek, but for me nothing has changed.

After the elections, after the announcement that Donald Tusk had become the prime minister, the same thing as before is still on the border, i.e. the Polish Border Guard, if it catches someone, according to what Wąsik and Kamiński, Morawiecki and Kaczyński came up with, you can throw people into the forest.

Prime Minister Tusk lacked the courage, or maybe he still lacks the courage, to say in one sentence in his expose in the Sejm that deportations will officially end immediately.

The new government was able to liquidate the Smolensk commission with Macierewicz at one moment, say specific things about state forests and that this policy of looting the Polish national treasure, which are forests and Polish nature, will all end.

Well, about the border, about the migration crisis, it will be more human, so our mutual friend says, but human, or what, they will give you a sandwich and throw it into the Belarusian forest?

Does what you are talking about, i.e. this process of forgetting, denying and the fact that this business is supposed to revolve around Belarus and Russia, all this has an impact on the fact that even though the new government is here, we do not hear a clear declaration and a signal addressed to the commandants of the Border Guard,

No more of this evil, we will settle it all, after all, the chief commander of the police himself escaped from this sinking ship, but the commandants of the Border Guard are doing well.

I’ll tell you this, I don’t know, it seems to me that there are several things here, the first thing is that Poland operates within the framework of the European Union Order, what happened here at our border took place with the tacit approval of the EU. European.

Of course, we, or we in the sense of Poland, the Polish state did the dirty work, but somehow there were no voices from Europe that what you were doing was wrong, so it was done with consent.

The second thing is that an alternative to what the Polish Border Guard is doing here is Frontex. Once Frontex comes here, we will have no influence on what is happening at all, nor will we have any control over it.

The next thing is that let’s remember that the opening of the migration route through Russia here was part of the negotiations. Yes, this is how they negotiate, these were their conversations about business.

If a situation arises in which we can now return to business as usual, I am convinced that this route will be closed. What is happening is happening exclusively under the control of the Russian special services and the mafia that organize this transfer.

And let’s remember that at the ontological level, there is no difference between the mafia and the Russian authorities. It is one and the same. If the Kremlin says it’s over and we’re going back to business as usual, there will be no migration route here.

And this is what the new government is waiting for? Until it all fades away on its own? Probably so. This will be, I think, the easiest way. Don’t you expect such a decision, an order to end deportations immediately?

But it will be difficult because, I think, if such an order were given, it would mean that we would question what happened. If we question what happened, we must hold those who did it accountable.

I can’t imagine a situation where now, all of a sudden, we would have to hold accountable because, you know, how many people would have to go to court for the crimes they committed. So this will all be baked?

Yes, just like it was always baked. Remember that after World War II there were the famous Nuremberg trials and a few trials in Germany. However, the number of German war criminals who have been tried is only a handful.

Most of the Nazi criminals were people who later created the structures of states such as the GDR and the Federal Republic of Germany, these were people who later became mayors and judges in New Germany, and let us remember that several dozen thousand Nazis, these are people who filled the ranks CIA collaborators.

In fact, even looking at our backyard, there are communists too. Well, you can’t, it had to be sudden, I can’t imagine a situation in which the Polish government suddenly became noble, because what? Well, law and justice, but real ones, not Kaczyński’s.

But I think that from the point of view of the Polish government it will be the simplest, and besides, remember that something happened along the way. Namely, the text by our former colleague Małgorzata Tomczak published in Gazeta Wyborcza, which, in my opinion, is not a mistake,

But a very intelligent and very deliberate element, an introduction to a situation in which people who recently, I will not mention their names, because these people who also came here, who were in Usnar, who shouted loudly that what was happening was illegal and wicked, it should be brought to justice,

These people now say that we cannot do anything, because Małgorzata Tomczak’s text in Gazeta Wyborcza revealed, that unfortunately you lied, unfortunately what you did was fake, and even if it wasn’t, our hands were tied.

Why was this text published in Gazeta Wyborcza and not, for example, in some right-wing magazine, but there? Why at such a time? And why this way? Because when you read this text, you see that it is written so intelligently that the person who wrote it can say,

But that’s not what I had in mind, and on the other hand, the entire right wing is happy that this text appeared, even Prime Minister Morawiecki I comment on it

Because this text is written so that you can do exactly what you want with it. There are no coincidences. I came to terms with it because I… how to say it…

Well, you didn’t come to terms with it completely, because as you can see, when someone, once again, citing this text, relativizes what happened, well, when we talk on the phone, then you’re as pissed off as I am, as are many other borderline people.

Piotrek, it happened to me by accident to get an education. The history from which I come, i.e. my home, my family, my earlier life, did not predispose me to obtain such an education that I would do what I do. On the contrary.

So I still feel like inside I’m a simple guy with a vocational education and, secondly, I’m tired. I know that I am not able to take up a political fight because I am not a politician, and I am not a politician because I cannot speak like a politician.

I can only say what I think about it, but what I say is not political. This is simply my thinking straight, without hiding and without diplomacy. However, when I bring you back to reality in such a therapeutic process, because this return is slowly taking place, I will tell you this.

Together with you and a few other people, I managed to save some people. I think that I have personally saved a dozen or several dozen people from certain death. We helped thousands of people, but I think that the dozen or so people I helped were people who, if I had not reached them,

Would now be gathered from the forest in bags, if they were found at all. I have information that sometimes I receive photos of smiling people from people I don’t know, who are somewhere…

This is, of course, a very small group of people, but this is what I could do. Alive, smiling, in asylum proceedings, starting work somewhere, smiling, with fuller faces than when I saw them. These are people who are alive and I can honestly tell you that this is completely enough for me.

Maybe that was all I had to do in my life and okay, I accept it, I don’t have to do anything more. This is what I’m doing now, being grumpy, because I’m going to be grumpy because I’ve seen too much, experienced too much.

However, I do not intend to influence anyone or accuse anyone. I understand the realities of this world, I understand the realities of politics, I know a bit of history

And I know that this is how it was, this is how it is and this is how it must be within the order in which we operate. I can reflect philosophically on these migration processes, I can speak, but this is, you know,

The bullshit of a provincial intelligentsia who thinks he understands certain things. At least I will go to the minister, the prime minister, and I won’t tell him such things, because even if they understand it, they won’t be able to do anything about it, because that’s how the world works.

Damn, I want to go. Well, if it works, then… But you’ll see, everyone will say yes. I know, it’s just mind-boggling. Mr. Czaban, you are right, of course you are right, but you will understand, you know, you understand, our hands are tied.

Because Europe, because Frontex, because the war in Ukraine, because gas, because oil, because crap, there will always be something. And what do these border guards who were following orders have to do now, should they now pull them out of their homes at 6 a.m. and bring them to court?

It may be at 7, but they should appear before the courts. They won’t stand up, no one will stand trial. So it didn’t happen. Let’s forget about it. Listen, it was. I understand that you are talking about Mirek about trials, I know, I know. It was because…

But this is such a brutal truth, supported by your historical knowledge and these other examples. And I, you know, normally want to cry. Well, it was, it was, it always was. Just, you know, if you also have what you have, you’ll say this.

When you tell intelligent people, I lost a lot of friends because of what I did, what I talked about. And when you tell them that this migration that is occurring now is the result of the places where they live being… Among other things, through the west, yes. The Middle East is…

Because of the United States, Great Britain and France, this has been going on for 100 years. Africa has been… By Great Britain, France, Portugal, Spain and Germany for several hundred years. The countries that have appeared there are artificial creations that have never existed there before, except perhaps Ethiopia.

There were no such countries, no such geographical divisions, there were never such borders in those places. Unfortunately, in those places there are natural deposits, goods that the voracious Western world, and now China, needs. That people who run away from those countries run away because it’s fucking impossible to live there.

It’s not like they figured out that, you know, you and I, when we went to the UK in the early 2000s, we did this, but we weren’t in danger of dying.

We could earn money here somehow, back then you earned PLN 500, you earned PLN 500, so he had one, you know, he was quite happy. 1500, they earned ho, ho, ho, right? And here, somewhere else nearby, it was possible to plant potatoes.

The Fund had an amazing exchange rate, you know, I remember, I was at the turn of 99-2000 in Great Britain, the Fund was 7.50. Man, I came with funds, so I was the king of life, right? This is different, these people there, people are leaving because it is impossible to live there.

That’s why the whole world is fucked up, that’s why it seems there is no way to fix it from the level in which we currently operate, from the level of the energy-hungry, voracious economy of Westerners, which, the basic problem for all of us is that we are not able to eat enough.

There is no amount of food that will satisfy us, there is no comfort, there is no standard of living that will be enough for us, ever. Sad, disgusting and brutal. And then there is China, a country that is a total enigma that we do not understand at all.

You know, I used to be terribly fascinated by Asia, Buddhism, the philosophies of the Far East, I traveled around Asia a bit, I saw different things from different people. This isn’t a world I understand, is it? These are not people who function according to standards that I can somehow understand.

This is definitely an opening for discussion in the next topic. For example, I perfectly understand the cultural codes of people from Islamic countries. I was convinced that my knowledge…

You know, I know a little bit of Sanskrit, no exaggeration, but I know, you know, I know the realities, because I’ve been fascinated by India, China, Japan and so on since I was a child, right?

I thought there was something there that I understood. Interestingly, it turned out that the world of Islam, which we are all so terribly afraid of, was the most clear and understandable for me. I understand those people who come and think something interesting, they think completely similar to us.

This kind of overlay in the form of Islam or in the form of, you know, some religious thing, it’s irrelevant. And that’s what I hope for, Mirek. We will be able to talk one more time, but thank you for this brutal, honest truth about what we can expect.

I have one more thing to say at the very end, because many people were grateful to me at the time when I was the whistleblower at the very beginning , and you know it well that I was one of the first, if not the first at all.

And at one point I used the words of Martin Luther. This is where I stand, I can’t do otherwise. And I would like to add one more element to this, because yesterday I watched the movie Dead Poets Society again.

Young people raised on this film remember well this fragment of the film when, at the very end, a certain Anderson, a student of this elite school, in opposition to what the school management did,

How they forced him to be a scoundrel, to inform on his a teacher who taught them only literature, nothing else, and through literature taught them to think.

At such a moment, this boy does something that they had previously practiced as part of a game with this teacher. He gets on the table and talks about the captain, my captain. It was a moment when, just earlier, this teacher, Mr. Keaton, says to his students

That the moment you disagree, when you know that you are right, when you know that what you think and say and the way you act is right , have the courage to come to the table and say about the captain, my captain.

Let me tell you, we did it. I climbed onto this table, said about the captain, my captain, I said I’m still standing here, I can’t do otherwise and I’m still standing on this table. I won’t get down from it because I have nothing to get down to.

I voted for the government that is in power now, for Donald Tusk and for this coalition, because what happened was unacceptable to me, but that’s all. I do not have any hopes for this government, no such illusory dreams,

Because my only, my only motivation for voting for this government was that, having historical knowledge about the processes that take place in authoritarian systems and those that strive to to totalitarian solutions, after what happened here at this border, I knew that only concentration camps were next in line.

People may laugh at me, but yes, next after what the Law and Justice government did, next, according to what history tells us, were concentration camps.

And I simply voted for the Civic Coalition and the current government because I did not want these concentration camps to be built. But I have nothing more, no more dreams.

I know that these camps will not be built, but I know that Poland will continue to be a fucked up country because we live in a fucked up world that we are unable to improve.

Because we need, you know what we need? We need a new Martin Luther. Martin Luther the third, because the first Martin Luther questioned the order of medieval Europe in the Middle Ages

By liberating people from the thought that only the Catholic Church can lead them to the Kingdom of Heaven. He said yes, people, you don’t pay money for a ticket to heaven, because the idea was that the Church took money for freeing people from sin.

They said fuck… we are here, you don’t fucking pay money. The Kingdom of Heaven is available for free because Jesus fucking came to set everyone free and all you have to do is accept it. It was a spiritual thing, but the political consequences were such that the order of Europe based on the domination of the Vatican and the Holy Trinity fell to pieces.

Then there was the second Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, who said that black people are also people and have the right to do the same things as others, they can ride buses with white people, go to college together.

Let us remember that in the 1960s in the United States, black officers still had separate casinos, separate barracks, and separate toilets. It was similar in restaurants, blacks were not allowed to enter white restaurants. They had seats at the back on buses and where did it all start?

At one point, Rosopark said f**k and sat in the front of the bus. And at that moment they kicked her off the bus, riots started, Martin Luther King rose, and as a result we had Barack Obama as president. It was a little American Luther King.

We now need a third Martin Luther who will say not on a religious level, but on a political level, a metapolitical level, that the world we live in is fucked up, that it’s all wrong, it can’t be like that, because this gets us nowhere.

We are participating in a civilizational dead end that must end sooner or later because it results from simple calculations. The standard of living that Western civilization offers us and the way in which we achieve it is impossible to maintain because the resources and space are finite and, to a large extent, already consumed.

And let’s leave this for the next meetings with Mirosław Mińszewski, a philosopher, an ordinary guy, and as Mirek says, also a vocational graduate, but also an activist, a whistleblower, okapitan. I was. Thanks Mirek, thank you. Thanks. Thank you.

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I would also like to thank those who bought me a symbolic coffee on the BuyCoffee website, thus supporting my independent journalism, and in this way supported me in December.

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