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Francis is away this week, so Jimmi is joined by pro bike mechanic Nic Vieri to give his expert opinion on the Shimano recall, light gravel bikes and overrated cycling products.
Here’s the full breakdown:
00:00 Our First Guest!
00:48 Bike Mechanic’s Reaction To Crank Recall
07:26 Shimano’s Advice For Testing Your Crank
13:55 Will People Trust Shimano Again?
17:49 This £11,500 Carbon Gravel Bike Is A Terrible Idea
24:14 The Problem With Gravel Bikes
28:35 Forget Aerodynamics, THIS Is The Next Big Cycling Trend
36:09 How Vibration Loss Could Save You Watts
45:45 Overrated or Underrated: Lefty Forks
47:39 Overrated or Underrated: Ceramic Jockey Wheels
50:44 Overrated or Underrated: Mud Guards
52:54 Another Week, Another Fluff Up
54:18 The Pros & Cons Of Going Tubeless
Here’s the official full list of crank model codes being recalled by Shimano:
https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/information/customer-services/corrective-actions/11-speed-hollowtech-ii-crankset-recall-notice.html
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31 Comments
Nic mentions that carbon wheels are stronger than alloy – I'll be honest that I never knew this. Any wheelsets or brands he/you recommend for gravel? Would love to know his setup.
I loved this show.
Overrated or underrated: Francis
I am aware of 2 Ultegra cranks failing-mate of mine was doing a 100 mile ride when his crank literally broke as he was riding-I know as I went to pick him up-the drive side crank arm was in 2 bits. Couple of months later and my crank started making a clicking sound and the drive side pedal seemed to be making an eccentric circle. I thought the pedal shaft was bent-even bought some new pedals……it got worse during a big ride so I stripped the crank when I got home. BIG crack up the inside and the 2 halves had completely separated-I consider myself very lucky not to have had it completely fail as I was riding…… As Jimmy said-both our failed cranks went in the bin and we replaced them ourselves.
Funny how every bike mechanic I meet is so skeptical about new technologies, high end parts and trends. They are not helping bike sales for their local shop LOL. People want to buy expensive stuff to show their friends and not have someone tell them they wasted their money.
Shimano having LBC’s inspect and decide whether or not a customer continues use seems a huge liability for a small Shop.
I’d warranty every crank.
I hear reliability and comfort is important. For myself, however, I want to ride because my bike is fast and exciting. I have a hybrid bike and will ride it, but my fast bike is the one I miss riding and gets me out of the house.
Bianchi's Countervail technology has been around for a few years now 🙂 And it works great! Of course, larger tires can replace this technology to some extent. But anyone who has tried Infintio CV on rim brakes knows what it means to have a frame with this technology. So yes! Vibrations should be the next thing!
If this was a car issue or any other vehicle, all cranks would be removed and put away.
Broken ones before recall would be refunded.
For real theese where premium stuff.
BB Bearing shortages?
Damping: Engaging in the act of reducing vibrations. Dampening: Engaging in the act of making something damp (wet). Damped: Prevented from vibrating freely. Dampened: Made damp or wet.
I'm sure others are commenting with similar stories when it comes to the cheese that are Shimano 11 speed Ultegra and Dura Ace crank sets. I've been a Shimano fan for 30 years but no more. I've had 3 crank sets crack on me and only one was within its warranty period. After the first was replaced I was told by the bike shop that Shimano would replace the crank set but the replacement would only have the warranty of the original. This was at around 18 months of owning the crank set, so two months later the new crant set that only lasted a year was out of warranty. So I've had to replace the last two at my own cost. I now have a Dura Ace R9100 crank on the bike that is still ok. However I have no confidence in Shimano cranks and have started to run Hope cranks once the Shimano ones break. The inspection process is a joke, if they are dangerous and risk breaking then they should be replaced if they have started to break or not. What Shimano have done is move the responsibility away from themselves and on to me. I now need to get them regularly inspected and if I don't and they break and I get badly injured or killed, then it's my fault. It's terrible customer service and Shimano need to do better.
I don't really understand the durability point with jockey wheels? Changing them is a literal 5 minute job, 10 with shifter cleaning? Of course it would still be far better to change them even twice a year instead of paying 100x more?
Try tubeless, nothing lost? Tyres are significantly more expensive, additionally I need valves and sealant. And yes, I can ride a tube in tubeless tyres, but the tyres are heavier, and probably have worse rolling resistance than the dedicated tube types. So no, there is a fair bit to be lost. I currently have a full set of tubeless equipment and three punctured tyres that won't seal lying in my cellar, where they are probably gonna rot…
Tried Silca when it first came out, whilst I agree it was great at sealing it literally dried out in two weeks, this went on for a while, I kept topping it up and it would dry up in two weeks and then Silca came out saying there was an issue with the mixture and offered a liquid to sort the problem 😬
The Cannondale that Nic couldn't recall the name of is The Slate. I have one. It's amazing. On gravel the Lefty fork seems to allow you to float over the gravel running on 42mm 650b tyres.
I love mine and I've never seen anything to replace to replace is as I don't want a carbon off-road bike, give me Alu every day of the week.
Great episode again
Love Nic's perspective on everything he discussed. Fact driven, no nonsense. He obviously has a very deep technical understanding of bikes and bike mechanics. Fun watch. You can fill in anytime, Nic! On the vibration front, it will add considerable weight to bikes. Some manufacturers are actually going away from vibration damping systems or are simplifying their offerings. Look at what TREK did with the Domane. Front ISO Speed was dropped and the rear system was reduced. It was dropped from the Madone completely. Let's be real, Amateur riders will always compare themselves to the pros instead of defaulting to what is more appropriate for their level of riding. Bike trends will tend to follow.
Tail fin do mudguards now, thanks.
I deeply appreciate the "don't blame your LBS" message in the wrap up for the recall discussion. As head of service for a small regional shop with loads of road enthusiasts, we're sorting this out carefully and learning as we go, since this is a much bigger recall than average, with obvious risks. Love the chat, keep up your excellent work!🎉
Note to self: 7:55
fun fact- This recall is not unprecedented. Shimano recalled 2.5m triple crank sets on their entry level group sets in 1997 for a similar problem of cranks snapping, though it wasn't a de-lamination issue as the cranks were solid.
Just have an Treck Checkpoint SL6 from 2019 and I put 303 Firecrest wheels with 35C Continental GP5000 AS tires on it and now I have a road Cadillac.
Glad you guys talk about comfort for average riders. Even since the pros slam their handle bar, the average guys think they have to follow. Even cargo bike with the main purpose of transportation is fitted with very low handle bar in order to sell. It's just sick.
SHIMA(NO!) IS GARBAGE!!!
NO PROBLEM'S WITH MY CAMPAGNOLO SUPER RECORD!!!
Vibration loss is going to be yet more marketing BS. It can be achieved easily by small diameter frame tubes (steel), a 27.2 carbon post, 26mm handlebars, and fatter tyres with supple side walls. Of course, the brands will tell you that you need to buy a new £10K bike to get it.
very old topic… Rider fatigue has been studieslots, primarmy spring (tyres) have greastest effect for high frequency. whilst suspenion (or lack of) for large single bumps ie drops/ kerbs
In Canada, Bike shops charge the customer for dealing with Shimano Defects if they did not buy the product there. Leaving a home mechanic who bought a product online with a bad deal for returning a defecting product. My friend bought a Shimano XT brake set and the Lever piston Leaked immediately, he contacted Shimano, they said he would have to go to a Shimano bike shop, The bike shop wanted $40 for shipping and handling. That is not very acceptable for a warranty. Shimano should allow defective products to be shipped to a global supplier/canadian supplier from the user of the product. I told him to buy a new lever for $35 that included free shipping. Not good score for shimano. In Canada we get "screwed" on pricing also, they do not want you to buy from other markets were they sell the same product for cheaper (Rest of the world).
Buy chinese cranks… They are better made.
Think your man is talking about the Cannondale Slate. I’ve got a 2017. It reminds me of a good ally mtb frame from the late 80’s early 90s in a drop bar flavour. Crap clearance on the rear. But I always run a skinny rear tyre on the rear anyway so I can get away with that. The lads I ride with on their full sus 2020s mtb / xc/ enduro bikes always do a double take when I stay with them on a gnarly descent 🤣🤣
Just got hold of a brand new set of 105-cranks. I'll save my Ultegra cranks for the day I sell the bike, if they are deemed to be "safe" by the dealer.
Just to note, my Cannondale fork replacement took 7 months, reported in August and replaced in March. I will never buy from Cannondale again for leaving me without a bike for all that time.
Handsling make an amazing CX bike 🙂