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The Super Race TBs I tested weighed an average of 567 grams, a bit over advertised but still 20-30 g lighter than the Super Ground TBs in the same 29 x 2.1 size. The Super Race has a slightly thinner sidewall at 1.05 mm compared to the Super Ground at 1.10 mm and they certainly feel different in hand. The Super Race would certainly be considered the more supple tire and are a bit harder to inflate but not bad at all. They measured 52 mm wide and 49 mm tall on a Reserve 25GR rim. I did puncture one of these but Orange Seal did it's job quickly and I had no other problems during testing. Drum testing results have some variance between models here, as many already know.
My testing shows that the Super Race has a small advantage (0.0040 CRR) over the Super Ground (0.0042 CRR) on smooth pavement, but across all off road testing areas the two options are identical in their rolling speed. As we have seen with other tires, it is really tough to predict absolute off road efficiency without testing off road. Schwalbe has blended the best attributes of the two casing options discussed here to create the XC PRO casing offered on the newer Rick MTB tire, which I think is a smart move. Some of their pro riders have been on Thunder Burt Race PROsā¦so there are updated labels, but I don't know anything definitive beyond that.
All outdoor results are my own via Chung/VE testing protocol. PSI notes belowā¦
Everyone wants to knowā¦what pressure am I using? Obviously, larger tires will require lower pressure than smaller ones to get the best speed and handling in generalā¦especially off road. The Wolf Tooth Advanced calculator is very good in my usage for gravel and mtb tires. The Rough Gravel setting seems to get quite close to best pressure for not only rolling efficiency (yes, even on gravel thatās not super rough) but also comfort and handling. I will start with that based on the measured tire size, go ride some, recheck pressure once the tire warms up, then reasess the setting based on how the tire is riding. If it feels obviously harsh, go down 1 psiā¦. If it feels squirmy or I am smacking the rim on hard hits, I will go up 1 psi, maybe 2 in that situation. Often I end up sticking quite close to what the calculator says initially but it isn't written in stone. Rolling efficiency is actually almost identical (reference some testing I posted spring 2025 for this graphically) across a bigger span of tire pressures off road than most realize, which means it is quite easy to get the pressure where the tire will be fastestā¦the rest is fine tuning to rider preference. Even though Iām testing, I am also enjoying being out there so take the extra steps to see how the tire performs best. Ultimately there is no magic ābestā pressure⦠it is up to rider preference with no real speed penalty unless you really mess it up one way or another, and that is a big reason I am explaining this in such detail. Itās not to justify my results, itās to encourage folks to keep an open mind about how they set their tires and get the best ride possible. All the Smooth Pavement testing I do is with the tires set to the PSI I would use for riding on average pavement, so in practice about 5-7 psi higher than I would use for off road riding.
by gravykarrasch
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There are so many tires competing near this rolling resistance and casing strength, weāre right back where we startedā¦you just have to pick the tire and tread for your local terrain and will get great performance.
We really have come full circleā¦with great improvements.
Sexy ride. Love that dark green.
The Thunder Burtās are really sublime. My go-to unless itās chunkier then I like the Dub 2.2.
If thatās a gen 3 checkpoint, you can get the 2.25ās in there š
I would like to see the data for 2.35 super race in rough gravel.
OMG this report! i just took off a pair of Thunder Burt Super Ground 2.1 and installed a set of G-One Speed Pros. only have one road ride on the Speed Pros but so far they feel incredible at 28fr/30r psi. the are fat clownshoes and look hilarious. but those numbers are fantastic.