Indoor skateparks with heaters, tiny spaces, max reps and a sports school “gymnasium” where you choose XC, DH, 4X, road… even slopestyle. Anton explains how he and Simon Johansson became the first slopestyle “guinea pigs,” with Tommy Johansson coaching and Martin Söderström now on staff.

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you, Martin, Max, like all of the kind of Scandi 
slope style guys. I always remember looking at um basically you’re always in indoor skate 
parks with like heaters on with hoodies on and you’re just you’re all like confined to that 
space. So, it’s a really high level of riding and really high concentration. So, loads of amazing 
riders all stuffed into like something almost the size of a tennis court, right? Is that pretty 
much? Is this at um We’ll get into it in a bit, but this is at your school. Exactly. So, further 
down the line, I went to that biking school as well. It’s a biking school. Yeah. Well, I guess 
it’s a normal school, but with a sports program, and one of them programs had to like happened to 
be biking. Yeah. And the first like the first year I attended was the first year they started that 
program. So, really lucky in timing. Sweden dial day. I remember when I first heard about the It’s 
called the gymnasium, right? Exactly. When I first heard about I was living in America. I go on about 
this all the time. I’m not going to bore people, but it was uh I first heard about Yeah. Swedish 
gymnasiums coming over like they basically study motocross and I’m like what? They they do like 
motocross. Yeah. And then I guess is that the same for bikes then? So you kind of Yeah, pretty much. 
So I guess as any like sports program school, you just do normal school, but then also they set 
aside like a few hours a week for biking. Yeah. It’s like a couple of lessons of a week will just 
be biking. Exactly. Like either biking or hitting the gym, learning about all the stuff around it. 
And who teaches you? Good question. Yeah. You might know him. Tommy Johansson, downhill legend 
from Sweden. There you go. So he this was your teacher. So you have like boss, but how cool is 
that man? So he he’s still going like another guy I have to owe big time for my whole career I guess 
cuz he was the one like getting this program on the road like cuz he used to do it in a different 
school like in a real [ __ ] hole. Sorry. And he was trying to get me to go there. I was like I 
can’t move to this place there. There’s no way. But then he set up the program in a different 
city which was a bit more close to just like a decent city. Nice. I was like yeah this is the 
dream. Please I’ll give it a go. Move move away from home. just move away like oh yeah away from 
the parents and stuff and with some mates in our apartment like 16. Did you know you were good? 
Did it seem like there was a future in it and did it seem serious when when you went to the school? 
What age is that? Uh so I guess questions but it’ be 2010 I moved and uh so I’ll be 15 turning 
16. Okay. And I definitely didn’t really know that you can make money, but luckily Martin was 
already ahead of me and he started by then already making money and like Yes. I guess turn it into 
a job, you know. So I guess it was on the cards, but I didn’t really realize. So you knew you’re 
good though, right? I I knew I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess that was enough. And I I guess 
social media started to like pop a little bit so you kind of could see what where people were at. 
And I was like, I guess I’m all right. Yeah. I got a couple of questions. You might I’m sure you 
might not. I don’t know if you know. What sports make up a gymnasium? Like how does biking become 
one? What? Very good question. Thank you. Valid. Uh validated. Yeah. I mean uh at the school I went 
to they had crosscountry skiing, cross country biking, fourcross downhill, road biking, and 
then for the first year they tried slope style. And you can choose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was in 
the same like class as all the other like biking disciplines, but I was the only slope guy and 
Simon Johansson, right? So we were the first like like I guess what do you call it? Test rabbits 
or whatever. It’s the year of guinea pigs. This is the year of STES. Yeah. Yeah. Simon brought the 
STE for sure. So So would So excuse my ignorance. So different schools have different sports within 
their gymnasium. Is that is that how it works? Uh so you had to travel to go to a biking one? No, 
no, no. So, the same one would also have like ice hockey, football, and like swimming. Yeah. 
All of it. You had a pretty crazy crazy alumni, didn’t you? Yeah, for sure. Who else was in your 
school years? Paint a picture of like the school photo of the bike, the biking school photo. I 
mean, unfortunately, a lot of people I went to school with kind of fizzled out of writing. I 
think the only one people would know is Jenny. Jenny Rzitz. Heard of her? Yeah, you might. Some 
people might have. So, our current world champ. That’s right. She just won world champs, didn’t 
she? Yeah, true. That was super recent, wasn’t it? Yeah. And I guess Olympian gold medal as well 
nine years ago. Yeah. Interesting class. Just in the class. Yeah. But yeah, I think yeah, it was 
a really cool group of people just all kinds of discipline in one classroom, you know. I find it 
so fascinating that there’s like that opportunity there. But what what does like a a week look like? 
How much biking are you doing? How do you se how do you separate? So, do they go off and ride XC 
or Yeah. Oh, yeah. totally. So, I guess Tommy Tom Johansson was Tom official on Instagram. The 
man I guess he was second in the world downhill world. Yeah. The world’s 1994, I believe. When 
I was born. Two dates, dude. When I was born, dude. Yeah. In Colorado, I think. Really? 
Yeah. Swedish downhill legend. Oh, big time, man. He’s the best downer that’s ever come out of 
Sweden, isn’t he? Mate, thinking about it. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. So, yeah, back to your question, 
he he was the one like so obviously he knew loads of biking. He had all the like, you know, biking 
control and what you need to and obviously he’s a super smart guy and he definitely been looking at 
slope style and Martin and good friend of Martin and he’d been running a actually going back way 
further. He’s been running a like camp a slope style camp actually. uh where I attended with 
Martin like two or three years prior to going to school. So I was super young like learning 
my first back flipped there when I was like 12 or 13. It was just a m just a lip and a m jump and 
that was the like camp and we went out like cuz I remember he was super into like the physical thing 
and like just what do you call it like optimized performance and stuff. Yeah. just like waking up 
super early, do a morning walk up the mountain and go down, have some porridge and then just send 
it on the mulch. And I remember thinking like, well, what are we doing here? I just want to ride 
the mulch. Do we have to really do this? But like looking back now, it’s super nice. Like just a 
great way to wake up and just like proper warm ups and stuff. Just it kind of doesn’t exist in the 
UK. So it’s really cool to like how malleable you are and how like how much it means when you were 
little. We talked about it on a recent episode. Like I can really imagine going to one of those 
camps and stuff and it really meaning something. Oh, totally, dude. It’s like even now looking back 
it’s so nice to look back at those memories. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s just opportunity as well which 
again it’s a huge thing and it makes it feel like a real thing like it validates like like I think 
one thing probably I has probably shaped how I think of riding is that it wasn’t it’s not like 
an accepted discipline. If it comes into school it’s an accepted discipline. It’s a real sport. 
Whereas over over here, it always felt like it was like a It’s a fringe sport. It’s not a cool. It 
wasn’t even a cool one. So BMX at least was like had a cool image. True. Yeah. It’s always like 
I do riding BMX. Yeah. No mountain bikes. And so so if you love it, you have to like plow on if 
you’re not. Totally. You’re not going to get any verification from any sort of official. You’re 
not going to get get it in schools. You’re not going to get cool camp setup. If you do get camp 
set up, they’re going to be like weird ones. It’s not official. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. It’s an 
amazing thing to think about like and Yeah. But that’s the reason I think I fell in love with it 
so deep cuz Yeah. going back to like childhood like doing all the team sports. But then once 
I picked up the bike was like oh I can do this whenever I want and how much I want and no one’s 
going to tell me how to do it and what to do. So I think that’s the part where I really like fell 
in love with it to just oh no one’s going to tell me what to do. I just got to make it up and just 
have fun with it. Do you know the other thing as well? You it kind of when you actually think about 
it and you break it down and you listen to what you’ve you say about your um childhood, I guess 
like you can kind of see it in the Scandinavian like slope style riders. Their that their their 
approach is sort of more like it’s not like punk or like you’re a bunch you’re all dialed like 
professional dialed clean like they take it seriously. You’re like training. You got like 
Max for instance. Max is like so ded training way before people were talking about training, 
you know? Like I noticed now it’s more like it’s a really serious sport. He’s getting serious. 
Yeah. But back then for sure he was back then he was just like he was training like it paid 
off, didn’t it? Oh, definitely dude. He has some serious longevity to his career, doesn’t it? 
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, thanks for the compliment. And uh I think Yeah. like you’re saying like and 
a lot of us just I think spend a lot of time in a skatepark BMX track this and that just gained 
that bike control to start with before we went on to doing tricks. What you So you go to a a class. 
Yep. Oh yeah. I guess I’d never really answered the question you were asking in the beginning. 
So yeah, I can’t remember what a question was but like you’re saying like the school what’s it like? 
Yeah. So just normal school and then maybe every other day we had two hours set off to do riding 
or gym. Okay. Yeah. And what does that riding look like? Like as in are you getting coached? Are you 
Cuz it’s you’re still learning like you’re trying to progress. So it’s someone walking you through 
that almost. Well, I think that’s also the cool bit about it. So we had Tommy there, Toma. Yeah. 
The coach. And he was basically setting up the the practice sessions. But then also since it’s just 
such a freestyle freestyle sport, you just gota do what you want to do really. But then we had some 
drills where you I guess just kind of sometimes but more more so like bike control related just 
work on the BMX track doing this like fastest lap five laps in a road and for endurance and then 
do a trick and then I guess it is like a lesson still. Yeah. Yeah. And then I guess everyone’s at 
different progression stages. So you work on what you want to do and if you need some tips, I’ll try 
to help out. So everyone’s steey in Scandinavia as well. So like is there like a ste lesson? Is there 
like um do you get like imagine that like the guy with a goofy style gets so bullied at school? 
Have you seen this James? Oh whack. You just get like bad style like bullied out of you. Maybe 
maybe that was in the curriculum. Yeah, exactly. Can’t believe you know the word curriculum. 
I don’t think I’ve ever used that but yeah somehow came to my mind. That’s good. Yeah. Wow. 
Are you aware that it’s a unique thing if that may like you’ve grown up with it. It was a thing that 
you get off got offered. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, like I’ve heard you guys or a lot of podcasts talk 
about this when we mentioned the biking gymnasium and it’s like from that like I’ve definitely 
noticed it’s really really not common thing. So yeah, super lucky to have that. I think growing 
up here it was definitely not like you said it’s hard to even explain it because it’s not even 
a thing that you’d consider that it’d be part of a lesson or you’d have any type of support 
from anything other than your parents. Yeah, true. So to get a school support and government 
support or however it works is just mindblowing to me. I wonder if there is anywhere else in the 
world that does it. I’m I’m really not sure. Tom, would you have done it without it? I would have 
probably kept going. Yeah. But but yeah, going back to the Vikings was super cool to see like 
from what I mentioned just me and Simon starting there year one and now there’s so many kids there. 
It’s so sick to see how it’s grow over the years. Right. I was going to ask you that. Yeah, I guess 
like and now Martin is there like Yeah. So they have an actual slow style coach Martin coaching. 
I mean like imagine watching him do stuff like all of you make stuff look really easy and nice like 
all the techniques all perfect. Few reps. Yeah. Yeah. There’s a lot of reps. You can see them 
the repetitions but like imagine that as your teacher. So cool. It’s insane. Yeah, dude. How 
frustrating kids how easy this old dude’s making it old. Old old dude’s making it look. Yeah, dude. 
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