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I’m glad that we finally had this sit downÂ
about mental health. I think it’s it’s needed,  man. No one talks about it enough. WhenÂ
depression really hit me um like it hit me for about 2 years. I feel like it’s hard toÂ
have that initial conversation. These people have lived with that with neurodeiversity for 20,Â
30, 40 years. You may have had a thought like, I wonder if life would probably be better ifÂ
I if I hear, you know what I mean? People are  not willing to come forward and say, “Listen, I’mÂ
suffering with mental health. Weed definitely has a massive impact on people’s mental health.” ButÂ
you see what the problem is is when people smoke  weed, they want to take accountability for it.Â
People have said for many years it’s, you know, it’s a coward’s way out and this that and theÂ
other. I don’t believe that. I do, you know. So guys, welcome back to the YouTubeÂ
channel and we have on the today’s show, we’re doing it a little bit different cuz we’veÂ
already had this person on. So we actually had a conversation between us and we decided weÂ
wanted to do something on mental health. Um, so I’m introducing you all back to Mr. Sanka.Â
Nice to see you again. How are you? Never a chore. Never a chore. Never a chore. You he rings me allÂ
the time. He does me nothing. I wish I was. You’re over here. You I wish I never met him. RingsÂ
me out. Bloody time. 8:00 in the morning. No, I can’t go to the gym and he’s ringing me. YouÂ
know what? I’ve noticed though. Yeah. Funny you’re  saying that though because no like today you thisÂ
is me like mourning sir I thought he’s taking the Mickey now don’t don’t don’t take it wrong wayÂ
I don’t want no trouble mate but no I think you rubbing off on me with that because it’s it’sÂ
nice to greet people and be yeah like you know  what it is it’s um it’s nice to be nice and againÂ
I don’t know if I said it last time it’s one of them things where I’m doing this thing now whereÂ
is if I think of you then I’ll ring you out yeah I need to start doing what I mean so then it kind ofÂ
I’m not saying it’s the best thing. I’m not saying  you have time to do it, but just something thatÂ
I I’ve No, I’m going to make a I’m going to make conscious effort to do that because I don’t make IÂ
feel personally I don’t make enough time for real  people and I’ve got good people um in and amongstÂ
my circles because you got to think the worst bit about it for me anyway is the amount of times thatÂ
you go, “Oh, I wonder what my man’s up to.” Well, then you don’t ring them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Â
Exactly. How would you know what they’re up  to if you ring them? Do you know what you said?Â
I think you might have said this off camera last time and my brethren come to mind and when youÂ
said that again I’ve just dawned on me that even since the night ranging so when I go home I’mÂ
going to ring him. Yeah. First time I’m ringing  you and and do you know what it is as well? It’sÂ
again because we’re talking about mental health sometimes it can just take that one phone call. ItÂ
takes that one phone call where someone goes I was  thinking about you say you all right? And it mightÂ
just be the amount of people I’ve spoken to where not that they’ve cracked or they’ve broke downÂ
but it’s like an open like a gateway for him to go well actually no I’m not. Yeah. And the thingÂ
is that call is a brilliant thing as well because think I think of it like this as a man I feel likeÂ
it’s hard to have that initial conversation like no one no man wants to go up to the bridge and beÂ
like boy I’m going through it man. If I’m honest, some of my my white friends are more prone toÂ
wearing the heart on the sleeve in that sense. I notice it more with my black friends that the warÂ
and I’ve been in a point where I was depressed. Like if I if I go smoke weed hard, I go I feelÂ
down. I go through spells where I’m down. I don’t really want to talk to people. I just I go throughÂ
a down spell. Cuz funny enough, you you said it to  me and I was in weed. Yeah. You said you saidÂ
it to me the other day. I think he’s you just messaging like listen car really sorry I’ve notÂ
I’ve not been in contact I’ve just been a little  bit down but again when you when you look at themÂ
things and that’s because at them times I’ve been thinking about it and I’ve rung you answered butÂ
have you been in my head I’ve rang and you know what it is again so I’m a person I I’ll openlyÂ
admit about about depression um so for me like when when depression really hit me um like it hitÂ
me for about 2 years yeah where bro I didn’t move off a sofa [Â __Â ] yeah for two years I didn’t moveÂ
off a sofa for two years you do the things that you’re meant to do you do the necessities you doÂ
the necessities but like where I’m talking where like getting a wash is not even existent I meanÂ
some man I didn’t even get wash I’m not saying full two years I didn’t get a wash yeah but youÂ
just lose yourself don’t you yeah because it’s  the last thing on your mind and not that you goÂ
yeah I’ll go do I I’ll do that I’ll do that and you just never get round to doing it becauseÂ
something. And again, for me, I’m always I’m  always within my thoughts. Yeah. So, because I’mÂ
always within my thoughts, it’s it’s it’s hard for me to get myself out of things. And whether that’sÂ
what I was like in a past and that’s probably why  I was how I was in a past life because once IÂ
have something in my head, can’t get it out. I can’t get it out. It’s the same way where like,Â
you know, not glorify anything, but if if someone was saying come and meet me, they could be withÂ
20 people. Like if once I’ve got it in my head, I’m going to come and meet you. I know what’sÂ
going to happen to me, but you can’t but I can’t  I can’t see logic within my brain sometime. Yeah.Â
Yeah. Yeah. In certain circumstances. Yeah. And you know what it is as well. One thing I’ll say isÂ
because I was brought up I’m an only child. Yeah.  I mean mom has kids now later like 21 years laterÂ
she started having kids. She had another three kids. My sister and my two brothers. On my dad’sÂ
side. My dad had a few kids. It was all my age but not in my household. Okay. So, I was an onlyÂ
child and my mom was constantly working. So, when my mom was constantly working for a little bit ofÂ
a per we had like my nana, my grand my granddad, but then that once we moved then it was just meÂ
and my mom. Okay. So, when like when you’re trying to explain to people, I don’t think people get theÂ
how you get it. So, for me, all my life, I never had I didn’t have a a big brother cuz I am theÂ
oldest of all my siblings. Okay. My mom was always at work. So for me, I never had somebody where IÂ
could have a conversation with them when something was going on for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,Â
so I always did in my own mind. So I did all the calculations and I worked everything out in my ownÂ
mind. What I will say is is now that I’m older, I know for me that was detrimental because thatÂ
stopped me from well then you get in stage where you go okay I’ll just do it anyway because youÂ
can’t come up with the solution because you have  nobody to speak to and again from my generationÂ
you couldn’t go to speak to somebody because then you’d be looked as if you’re soft. Yes. Yes. Yes.Â
And even even I find the same. It’s funny you say that as well because I’ve got a brother. We’veÂ
got the same mom but my dad only had me. So I’m an only kid. And when you’re saying about notÂ
having no one to reason to. I never really cuz  when it got to a certain age like I mentioned onÂ
the other pod my mom having a breakdown. There was an incident that happened and then my brother gotÂ
shipped out to my grandparents. So he lived with  my grandparents and I lived with I lived with myÂ
mom and dad. Obviously what I’ve explained about my dad being a drink and mom having a breakdown.Â
when I’m going through all that, I never had no  one to talk to. And I’m not going to go on roadÂ
and say it to my friends or go to school and say it to people at school. So, I feel like that’sÂ
probably why I was a bit aggressive as a kid and I had a bit of a hot head because I didn’t have aÂ
an outlet. Yeah. Yeah. Because you know what it is  is because you don’t have that person who’s goingÂ
to come up to you and go, “Oh, listen. Whoa.” No, no, no, no, no. Or somebody you can go to like,Â
you know, I my dad in my life, do you know what I mean? And he wasn’t there. Yeah, that’s theÂ
bottom line. Like we’re being honest, we want sometimes in life there has to be a time orÂ
everybody has that breaking point, don’t I? I think the issue that we have, especially people ofÂ
color, there’s a stigma around a breaking point. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I and I and I and I trulyÂ
believe this now. That’s why you are witnessing more and more um people of color suffering withÂ
mental health because because they’ve suppressed it for so long that it’s built up built up andÂ
and um it’s funny I had somebody else on on on the podcast on on I think Monday or Tuesday comesÂ
out on Sunday by the way Tuesday because I spoke to him Monday and I was trying to explain it toÂ
him and do you know what it is is you you build a mechanism within know within your mind whereÂ
you go, “This happened to me. This happened to me. This happened to me. However, I can’t affordÂ
to think and dwell on that. So, I have to get rid of it.” And what you do is your brain finds a wayÂ
of how you dismiss that and you you you park it up. You put it to the back of your bra. And everyÂ
time, every so often, it raises it and you go,  “No, no, no, no, no, no. I can’t deal withÂ
you because it’ll So, you’re constant.” But what you’re doing is you’re building more andÂ
more and more and you’re building more pressure  till eventually it goes. And that’s how you’reÂ
seeing people now because the gener especially my generation and and probably the generation aboveÂ
me as well like like your uncle’s ages like them. I’ve got I’ve got two uncles have a breakdownÂ
now like that generation there as well. you can see it whether it’s whether you’re talking drugsÂ
or you’re putting drugs in the mix or whatever  it might be because there’s different elements ofÂ
course but I just I just think there’s a there’s a there’s a generation of people now especiallyÂ
with all this neurodeiversity because it wasn’t identified then so these people have lived withÂ
that with neurodeiversity for 20 30 40 years and not known and not known but suppressed it. Yeah.Â
Yeah. and got through life pretending it didn’t exist when really now now they’re at an age andÂ
now all of a sudden boom it’s blowing their minds  cuz they’re like I’ve been ill for 20 30 years I’mÂ
not known and not known and thought yeah this just yeah it’s crazy it is man and I’m glad that weÂ
finally had this sit down about mental health I think it’s it’s needed man no one talks about itÂ
enough until someone commits suicide because of mental health or I’ve seen someone post somethingÂ
on Facebook the other day like is it just me or is there a rise in mental health and I’m seeing loadsÂ
of people’s family members have got mental health  and I can’t see anyone doing anything about it andÂ
I had to comment on it um cuz I understood what he meant but what he said was incorrect because whenÂ
someone’s got mental health you can’t just ring the doctors and get them sectioned no becauseÂ
they have rights so they have to be deemed they have to admit themsel or a doctor has to deemÂ
them um well there have to be a danger to Yeah, they have to be a danger to themselves or somebodyÂ
else. So, so then what does that mean? You’ve got  to go and battle someone or you got to go andÂ
ple your mom or slice someone or do something because when people have mental health like I’veÂ
got a cousin that’s got having a breakdown now and you can actually see him like two people whenÂ
you talk to him sometimes you can see him like  getting angry and aggressive and then he’ll calmÂ
himself. It’s like he sees it can snip snap in and out of it. And it’s it’s a dangerous thing becauseÂ
what if one day he doesn’t snap out of it and just loses it and and and you know the thing aboutÂ
is especially when there’s certain people out  there that have lived a certain lifestyle whereÂ
at that time within that period of time you’ve been a certain way and you’ve been a certain wayÂ
towards people or you’ve done certain things to  people. At some stage it’s going to come to you.Â
Of course, it’s going to come back to you where because there’s a there’s a a moral standard andÂ
there’s a there’s a part of you where you go, that was wrong. Mhm. And sometimes you don’t manage toÂ
have the opportunity to go to somebody and say, do you know what it is? Listen, sorry. Yeah. TrustÂ
me. Trust me. And some people have almost afraid to say sorry. Yeah. It’s like like you said, likeÂ
you said the other day, I I message you and said,  “Sorry for not being in.” I don’t have anyÂ
issue apologizing if I feel like because we I feel like we’ve got a good a good quiteÂ
a good relationship. So for you to reach out  to me and then for me to air you I felt rude aÂ
bit disrespectful. So that’s why but I’m going to give you an example here about this word sorryÂ
and I don’t know if it happens in all households but I know obviously with people my mom wasÂ
black dad’s white so I brought up in a black  household and I know you’ll know what I’m saying.Â
So remember the times when you do something wrong? I’m going to say allegedly. Just just going toÂ
say. So you know when you do something wrong and you get caught and you go sorry sorry becauseÂ
you know the belt’s coming out or the piece of  sticks coming out. That’s not real sorry though,Â
right? And you go sorry sorry. And they go what you sorry for what you crying for? Do you wantÂ
me to give you something to cry for? Or has has  a stick broke half in her ear. No. True. ButÂ
you see what it is. The problem is is because then you’re identifying sorry because you’re notÂ
actually sorry. So sorry actually become it’s like the song sorry seems to be the hardest word orÂ
something like that. Yeah. And and that’s what  it is. Sorry becomes a thing where you should onlyÂ
say it when you actually do genuinely mean it. I think people do use sorry quite willy-nilly. But IÂ
think a lot of people don’t use it all. And I also think that because of the generation not beingÂ
able to handle mental health and the way they’ve suppressed it for so many years, they could haveÂ
treated their children a lot better. And and I I include myself in that. Yeah. I So anybodyÂ
goes, “Ah, I include myself in that because of suffering from mental health and suppressingÂ
all these all these feelings that I have. I’ve not been able to be the best person that I couldÂ
have been.” I agree with that. And also I think what you also have is there’s certain standards ofÂ
people now. I’m not going to say who and I won’t go into detail but they still keep up that sameÂ
facade now from 20 30 years ago. And therefore they’re never going to get better. Never. Never.Â
Because they have to keep because they’re lying to  themselves. So they’re never you’re never going toÂ
be right because I you can’t improve if you don’t identify the problem. Like my my thing rightÂ
now is um accountability and action. So take accountability for it and act. Do somethingÂ
about it. Do you know what I mean? Like there’s  no point in like for my last last podcast peopleÂ
like, “Oh, I big you up, man. You you you’re a good storyteller and you wore your heart onÂ
your sleeve. I would have the confidence to  do that.” And it’s like the thing is me notÂ
like telling the truth. Yeah. I’m not lying, bro. Like there is points where I feel like IÂ
could be a better parent. There’s times where I’ve  been [ __ ] or I’ve been bitter towards my babyÂ
mom cuz me and her are getting on. So I’m like, “F her then.” But I’d always see my kids, but thenÂ
I’d just be bitter and do silly little things. And you know, it’s it you No one’s perfect. You liveÂ
and you learn. You got you have what I always say, and not to drift off of the topic of mentalÂ
health, but why I always say is you’ve got to  take accountability for everything you do inÂ
life, bro. You can’t you cannot just live in a bubble cuz I think that adds to mental healthÂ
cuz the the people who I know that are suffering with the mental health right now don’t takeÂ
accountability. It’s always somebody else. But  while I’ll throw something in the mix then is itÂ
easy to take accountability when you’re suffering with mental health though? Do you even know whatÂ
accountability is? So it’s it’s difficult to say because again when I’m and again I’ll speak onÂ
myself. I know there’s been times where I found it very hard to take accountability because whatÂ
I can do is I can I can find it easier to justify it. Yeah. I can find it I find it easy to beÂ
able to justify what I’m saying more than take accountability for it. Yeah. No, it’s definitelyÂ
not easy. Do you know what I mean? And that’s and  that’s me as an individual. You know what I mean?Â
No, I think we’ve all personally I’ve done that as well. Um, a lot of tons of people have done it.Â
The only difference is is you’ve got me and you  sat on camera that are going singing it with ourÂ
chest. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that’s what you got to do. Like I think I think that’s what’s kept meÂ
sane. Do you know I think for me as well cuz again when we spoke about it and I know this this wasÂ
your idea of speaking on mental health and then IÂ Â thought to myself, well, you know what is we we’veÂ
got a platform. We both got a platform. Again, there’s people that will see me. There’s peopleÂ
that will see you and then hopefully there’s  people that are going to see me actually speakingÂ
and going, you know what? [Â __Â ] hell. Exactly. My man can say that because trust me, there’s a lotÂ
of people out there struggling and I’m talking my  generation of of being who who have been a certainÂ
stature in life or within their area and you’re suffering with mental health. cost because you’veÂ
got to think as well like when I thought about it  I was thinking about it today and I was thinkingÂ
the life that you lived and the people in them and amongst that life most there’s going to beÂ
guaranteed people because certain actions you’re  making are going to sit with you you’re not anÂ
animal and you have to understand there was a stigma around disability because for me to speakÂ
about so called mental health is a disability yeah yeah but for me when you spoke about disabilityÂ
when I was younger I a disability was if you walked funny or you was in a wheelchair. SameÂ
same. If you if you had mental health, you you  gone mad. That’s my house. Yeah, that’s it. ThatÂ
that was it. That was a disability. But again, you’re talking neurodyiversity, HDD, ADHD,Â
um dyslexia. They’re all a disability. It’s neurodeiverse. So I I just I just believed thatÂ
people are not willing to come forward and say, “Listen, I’m suffering with mental health.” Yes.Â
That’s what it was like for me when I was a kid for school because of things was how things was atÂ
home. Going to school, I just forget all about it. It’s only on that bus ride home that reality kicksÂ
back in again. It’s like, “Right, [ __ ] Let’s  it’s back to I think I mean if I look back now andÂ
I and I go back through through my past traumas I would go I’ve been suffering with trauma fromÂ
being 14 15 about 14 15 but constantly suppressing constantly suppressing constantly suppressing butÂ
then and do you know like for me as well is is not telling nobody yeah yeah that’s what it was forÂ
me yeah so I don’t tell no one these are all And again, I will go this far as well is it’s scaryÂ
to think if I opened my mouth and said everything, I’m scared where I might end up. It’s true. CuzÂ
it’s it is like you say, some of the choices that you’ve probably made in your life, you you can’tÂ
really discuss again. Some of the the the actions  you’ve taken, you can’t it’s what you’re going toÂ
have to bury. So then if you was a person that was suppressing other things, you’re just going to addÂ
to that that’s just going to build up and build up  more. So it is good that you’re in a place whereÂ
you can express yourself and you can vent and let these things off your chest because Yeah. But IÂ
think for like again for me it’s only a certain  level. I mean there’s only a certain levelÂ
that I I have vented. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, obviously you can’t let everything but like I IÂ
just think for me I just think a lot of people a lot of people probably do the same thing as whatÂ
I do and suppressing these things and you know  what it is your mind has a way of how it tricksÂ
you tricks you into not even speaking of those things not even thinking of them but then all of aÂ
sudden every so often they just pop up and you go oh no no no can’t do that we can’t we we we can’tÂ
go there because because of the fear of what it could possibly built to. So with saying that, whatÂ
do you think is the reason that what do you think it’s kept you sane then? Because obviously you’veÂ
been through a lot, you’ve experienced a lot and you’ve even openly said that you suppress a lot.Â
Yeah. And you’ve only let out a small bit. So if that’s the case, obviously that’s always buildingÂ
up a what what’s your not trick, but what what’s what works for you? Do you know what it’s funny?Â
the person that watches will know the conversation that I’ve had with them. Um, and I just fill myÂ
mind with everything. So, everything is work. So, I usually have like 10 15 things on the go. KeepÂ
yourself busy. Yeah. So I keep myself busy even to the and I know that I need to probably I’m goingÂ
to have to see somebody professionally but I just for me it’s more of a situation where like evenÂ
like even on a night I can’t have silence. You know most people go I have silence to go toÂ
sleep. I can’t have silence. Yeah. Cuz then  you’re going to be in your thoughts. Then I startÂ
thinking. So what I have to do is so usually I’ll lay my phone to the side. I might put an earphoneÂ
in and then I’ll I’ll watch YouTube. So I’ll  watch a podcast or I’ll or I’ll watch somethingÂ
that’s but it’s people speaking. I can’t it’s not action. Can’t watch a boxing fight or somethingÂ
or UFC. I can’t watch nothing like that. It has  to be where people talk. So most time it mightÂ
be a boxing show where people are talking. So anybody talking I’m okay. Like for years it wouldÂ
be the telly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then I stopped that and then now it’s where I’ll listen toÂ
podcasts and I I’ll just listen to things.  So my mind because if I lay and close my eyes likeÂ
my mind will just wander and for many years for me I always got woke up which a lot of people won’tÂ
know this but for years I always got the only way I would wake up was with a bang. What do you meanÂ
like you’d hear a bang? Yeah. So I would hear a bang and I would wake up. That’s how I woke upÂ
for like every night. Every night for about 3 years. That’s mad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it wouldÂ
be I’m not I can’t say what it is. I don’t know if it was was a a gunshot or whatever it was orÂ
whatever or whatever, but it was always bang. So it’ be a loud bang bang and I’d wake up and thenÂ
and me and me as a person once I’m awake, you I’m awake. So if I woke up at 5:00 in the morning, I’mÂ
awake. Yeah, that’s me, you know. I can’t get back  to sleep and then I’ll just work work and thenÂ
now So again, look, we we’re in the office. I’ve like I’ve got my monitor on, I got my laptop on.Â
I I’ll have so many different things and then I’ll have like things that are open like most peopleÂ
say closed down things. I on the top of my thing  now if I went to it I’d probably got 25 thingsÂ
open. Okay. So I’m constantly your mind’s always on something else other than that. Yeah. My mind’sÂ
always ticking because I’m scar this part of me that’s scared where I don’t want it to go into aÂ
situation where but I know at some stage I’m I’m  going I’m going towards that. So I know where I’mÂ
going. Yeah. I know where. Self awareness is very important with So my self-awareness is tellingÂ
me I’m gradually going there cuz I know I need  to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So So again, when peopleÂ
see you and they go, “Oh, yeah.” Nah, no. People don’t know like what what goes on in your mobileÂ
mind cuz I’m quite a smiley jolly person. People probably never think I’ve I get depressed or I’mÂ
down. But when you don’t see me on social media  or you don’t see my I might be going throughÂ
it. That’s probably what I’m I’m But and it’s for you made a point that I didn’t even realizeÂ
that I was doing where you say you’ve always got  to have something on a night I’ve always got toÂ
have something on and I don’t know I don’t think because professionals to do that professionalsÂ
will tell you like they say especially with children you’re meant to have at least like aÂ
couple of hours beforehand so you wind down so you so you get the kids off the computers or phonesÂ
or whatever. So you meant to make your mind like  so I I can’t do it really. I I genu like I can’tÂ
I can’t I cannot tell you the last time I went to sleep like on a night like not laid on the sofaÂ
and your daughter. Yeah, that’s different. That’s  different. But where I’m genuinely like in bed onÂ
a night and you’re like come on, we’re going to sleep now and switch everything off and go no. ItÂ
could never happen. Yeah, that’s mad. It’s never It could never happen. It’s interesting, man. LikeÂ
I said, I didn’t ever know that that’s what that  was. I just thought it’s just my routine in it. IÂ
just keep some on all the time. But it is if I I don’t really sit in silence much to the corner orÂ
something. But I can’t keep still. I told you. I told you. It’s like a piss bed. Sorry. Sorry.Â
Sorry, Dad. Is my dad. No. No. Because again, maybe maybe it’s a protection. Yeah, maybe it’s IÂ
can’t pinpoint what it is. Yeah, it is difficult. I see me, I’m a person, I always try to get toÂ
the root of things. I try to understand why that’s happened and the effect of of my actions on peopleÂ
and stuff like that. I always try to understand that. See, I get that. But mine would be forÂ
other people, not for myself. Is it? Yeah. So,  you try to understand other people. Yeah. Yeah.Â
Yeah. I think I do it for both. But I definitely self-reflect a lot. Sometimes I excessively doÂ
it. Um, and some people say I’m hard on myself, but I’d rather be hard on myself thanÂ
people being trying to be being hard on me, if that makes sense. Like I’d rather identify aÂ
problem with myself before someone else identifies it so that I can address it before anyone else.Â
Already too late for me. Everybody knows what my issues are. Already gone. Even more so now, is itÂ
now that you’ve been telling them all your little secrets on camera? Yeah. It’s not a secret. DoÂ
you know what I mean? Like for me, I like I don’t care. Mhm. Mhm. Same. Like I don’t care. And I’veÂ
always been that. Again, I think maybe for years you suppress things because you don’t want peopleÂ
to look at you in a different light. Yeah. It’s  true. I mean, you don’t want people to look atÂ
you and go is this is that is the other. Like, don’t get it twisted. I’m same. I’m still theÂ
same person. Like, I’ll still get angry at the  same things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. YouÂ
know what I mean? There’s still a certain level of of disrespect or what accept I mean so don’tÂ
like I’m sane. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it’s just that what I do is I I just suppress so much like I justÂ
keep it keep it down. I think as well people take being open and honest as like a sense of weakness.Â
Yeah. Yeah. And that’s why it’s a good thing that you said I’m still the same. No, can’t change.Â
Like I’m still exactly the same. It’s like I find that as well, like people that may may have knownÂ
me when I was a teenager or in my early 20s would have had a certain level of respect for me then.Â
And it’s like I’ve got a cousin for example. I he used to look up to me like I was cuz he’s gotÂ
he’s got siblings and his siblings never dealt with him, right? So he was annoying as ass. HeÂ
ch for England. Um and I took him under my wing. Even points where I’ve had to back him. I’ve hisÂ
brothers are battering him and I’ve had to steam  him out. How the [ __ ] What are you doing, man?Â
Get off him. Um and shout at him and tell him off. So he used to proper look up to me. But then youÂ
find that when I changed and I I settled down with my baby mom and he started to look at me like IÂ
was a [Â __Â ] all of a sudden. M and then he’d say stuff about me to people and that to the pointÂ
where we don’t even talk now and he was like my  little brother. But it’s because people kind ofÂ
identify being when you change and you grow up and you mature that you you’re weak now and you’reÂ
not the Yeah. But people I mean people will always do that, don’t they? Because it’s the point ofÂ
not knowing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s what  it is. It’s like when people don’t see you for aÂ
long time, yeah, mama. Yeah. them is just and like they see you again and it’s like I’m still theÂ
same person. Like nothing’s changed. Like for me, you go pressure cooker and you have the valve andÂ
and then I let out like for me now it’s more of a thing where you write things down. You know whatÂ
I mean? Like just write just right. And then you can just keep it there and you constantly justÂ
go back over it. Go back over it. Go back over  it and you go, “Okay, there’s an answer. There’sÂ
okay there’s another answer into there. There’s another answer into there.” And you constantlyÂ
go back to it. Yeah. And then what I’ll do is  I keep I keep on to the same thing. So I keep onÂ
to the same thing, the same memory and just keep going back over it. Keep going back over it. KeepÂ
going back over it because I keep coming up with  different things. Okay. So you you are heavy onÂ
evaluating them, aren’t you? By the sounds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think with with peopleÂ
with complex minds like I believe minds are complex minds. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. No,Â
but I think people with complex minds can’t have one answer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I understand.Â
Because one answer doesn’t cut it. Yeah. Cuz it’s not enough. It’s not enough. And you alwaysÂ
got to think that there’s always more. Of course.  And I think depending on your environment Yeah.Â
Depending on your environment and your society, um, poverty, home, parents, there’s a lot ofÂ
things that’s in the mix. So therefore, it can’t be just one thing. It can never be just oneÂ
thing, can it? It has to be a collection of things that have done that to you. Because again, I speakÂ
and say not having a father figure. Um, not having somebody that you can go speak to. So most of theÂ
time I came up with answers to myself. Yeah. Same.  Like I put up a status the other day about my myÂ
circumstances like, oh, I’ve fallen off. I need to fix up where where that’s just me wanting to takeÂ
accountability and also wanted to say to people,  look, we all have ups and downs. Let’s go. Don’tÂ
let and also it gives people another I mean again personally not something I would do. Yeah. Yeah.Â
Yeah. But I say me I don’t have social media as  you know personally I wouldn’t do it. Most peopleÂ
wouldn’t. That’s that’s what made me want to it more. But then you by you doing that that givesÂ
people an understanding saying oh that’s what’s  going on with my but you get naivity within peopleÂ
then don’t you go mama’s put up st but me I’m a status man. I get it. I could I could I could setÂ
up a charity. I’m only laughing. Yeah, because what have I done? No, you didn’t do you didn’tÂ
do anything. It made me laugh. Um the car. No, it was the um it was the uh it was the one aboutÂ
your girl wanted to go to Jamaica. Oh, lock it. Yo, listen. That went mad. When I did that onÂ
Snapchat mad when when I saw that one, you was like, listen talking about, oh yeah, it’s the seaÂ
in the sun and all that. G to go see Lennox and listen. I’ve listen in the Caribbean them don’tÂ
play. They don’t play. They’ll steal up your G. They’ll take some stone and mash up your garbageÂ
and make her not want make her think about leaving  you. It just had Oh, listen. I couldn’t stopÂ
laughing. Honestly, it had it had me for about a good 5 10 minutes. Um, and then Yeah. Yeah. If IÂ
had Tik Tok when I first made that and put it out proper like a following that would have gone viralÂ
that cuz it was hilarious. That was a moment. It  was a funny one. That was a moment. But actually,Â
funny enough, we got a couple of stats. Oh yeah, man. We got we had a couple of stats here. I canÂ
delete United there, you know, K. Oh, it’s all right. Come on, lad. Um, so again, so some of theÂ
stats that I I got up today, um, was one where it was saying black adults are less likely to receiveÂ
treatment. Okay. And 25% of black individuals seek mental health treatment when needed comparedÂ
to 40% of white individuals. I believe that though. I feel like white white guys take moreÂ
accountability and own the fuckups more. Like I my white man I’m on me ass. I’m on me ass. I’ll neverÂ
hear a black man say that. I’m on my I’m on my unless they unless you don’t want to pay you. I’mÂ
on my face. Oh, you know what I mean? But yeah, actually I I I do believe that. I agree with that.Â
Yeah, I do believe that. Yeah, there was another one where it was um black individuals feel moreÂ
judged or misunderstood when seeking help. Yeah, I agree with that as well. on a wider scale. Yeah.Â
But do you I don’t agree that it’s the case. Yeah. But what I’m saying is is so when when I’m readingÂ
that now, so black individuals for feel more judged or misunderstood when seeking help. ButÂ
is that because of the community and of because of the because of who they’re surrounding. Yeah. IÂ
think it’s the stigma around mental health. Yeah.  It’s a stigma around the stigma around mentalÂ
health. I think with I don’t think that would be professionals. No, no, no, no. I think it’s aÂ
stigma around it. Like like we were saying earlier on in the in on the pod, you who do you go to toÂ
have that conversation with when you when you’re going through it? Like you don’t want that. LikeÂ
I said, I’ve been down and I felt like I wanted to open up to my brethren. But I just couldn’t do it.Â
I just couldn’t do it, bro. And it was I couldn’t understand. And it’s just me and him. Me and himÂ
talk about anything. Everything. I’ve got no shame when it comes to him. He’s got no shame. likeÂ
there’s no but that I remember one time I was down  and I would couldn’t even open up. I didn’t knowÂ
what I didn’t know how to start the conversation. But you know what though that that leads me ontoÂ
the thing where you go about the advice you would  give is not always the advice you would receive.Â
It’s true. It’s true when it comes especially when it comes to mental health and pride and ego. It’sÂ
difficult% difficult man. It’s hard. It’s true. You can’t It is difficult to give people adviceÂ
sometimes because you’re not in their shoes.  You don’t like Yeah. We’ve all had women. We’veÂ
all had J partners, things, whatever you want to call them. But you you don’t have that. I’ve neverÂ
had tings, by the way. I just want to put it out there. Yeah. Yeah. He had But I have had things.Â
I ain’t going to lie. Mine. He’s a good lad. No. I was a piece of [Â __Â ] I won’t I won’t lie. Okay.Â
So, what about this one then? Um, black young adults aged 18 to 25 have the highest of mentalÂ
health conditions compared to other racial groups. I probably believe that as well. I probablyÂ
believe that as well. Like um I’ve noticed a few I mean listen they’re off they’re off a credibleÂ
website as well. I’ve noticed a few Asians are  starting to get mental health but even when I doÂ
see it is a lot of black men. It’s funny because there was um there’s a guy called Sunny Mhm. IÂ
think um off um don’t ball it up on TikTok. I think he commented on Is it the guy that owe youÂ
on? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I said my  dad I think my dad built his uh Yeah. Yeah. SoÂ
again when he he he talks about the community cuz he’s he’s seeking he talks about the communityÂ
where a lot of it is surrounded by alcohol  and it’s just your general norm celebration.Â
Yeah. It’s like a celebration. You get a car, you celebrate a kid, house, wife, marriage, it’sÂ
always drinks. So the lot a lot of work that he’s  doing because again we have to understand when youÂ
put substance when you put why whether it’s drugs, alcohol, what recreational, whatever it might be,Â
when you put drugs in the mix as well with mental health, I mean you’re just you’re just toppingÂ
up, are you? Of course you are, man. Of course  you are. I think I’ve noticed a few people thatÂ
I know that have got mental health, they drink and they smoke weed excessively. Yeah. And youÂ
see the change like I again my cousin I seen him he drinking drinking drinking and then he’sÂ
fine when he first come linking by the end he’s just going he’s like talking to himself he’s andÂ
you see his mental health treat spike when he’s drinking it’s just like yeah it’s hor it’s roughÂ
man. So the last one I had here was black adults are more likely to experience serious thoughtsÂ
of suicide and higher rates of suicide attempts. Don’t know how if I don’t know if I agree withÂ
that, you know. I don’t know if I agree with  that. But but you got to remember there’s a keyÂ
the key word is is is thoughts. Thoughts. Yeah. But I don’t know how you can say how how you canÂ
identify that because most black people don’t even  speak about it. So how you even going to knowÂ
what their thoughts are? Yeah. So I don’t know as I don’t understand where they got the thatÂ
information from. But it could be it could be it could be true. I I don’t know cuz the you doÂ
get like if you ever been down you may have had a thought like I wonder if life would probably beÂ
better if if I want here you know what I mean like  I’ve had that thought before I’ve never ever actedÂ
on it and it’s never been more than that thought but then you got to slap yourself out and be likeÂ
you know what I’ve got a lot to live for and I’ve got a lot going on what am I why am I just becauseÂ
A and B is not matching up you still got CD E and Think think logically, bro. Yeah, I think there’sÂ
a there’s a lot of people out there. I mean, I think there’s more people out there that would beÂ
willing to admit it. Yeah. Cost be load There’ll be loads of people that watch this that’ll be likeÂ
So, it’s not just me. Yeah. 100%. Cuz it happens, bro. Like, it’s life, man. Like, it happens.Â
There’s no doubt that it happens. Um, and again, similar to yourself, I’ve had them thoughts. Yeah,Â
I thought it it’s not I think it’s not normal, but it it happens. You know what it is? I thinkÂ
again and again, I don’t want to be quoted or misqued. I’m just going to say what my view is. IsÂ
one of the things for me with with with suicide, um, people have said for many years it’s, youÂ
know, it’s a coward’s way out and this that and  the other. I don’t believe that. I do. You know,Â
see, so we’ll have we’ll have a discussion on it because I think it actually takes unless it’sÂ
mental health, unless it’s serious mental health. Yeah. Then obviously you’re not thinking Yeah.Â
correctly, are you? But for you to do something where you know once you’ve done that, it’s done.Â
It’s done. I think takes some ball. Yeah. That is a fair point. Do you know what I mean? I thinkÂ
I I that’s just I’m just saying me. I’m I’m  not I’m not speaking on anybody else’s behalf.Â
Unless you say you’re different you’re dealing with psychosis or serious mental health or youÂ
genuinely believe that there’s nobody going to miss you or you don’t have anybody. I understandÂ
those bits, but I genuinely believe like it takes some serious bottle for you. And I’m not goingÂ
to go into descriptions of what people do and how you go about it. I’m just saying for you toÂ
go and you go, “Right, this is what I’m going to do.” And then you go and you and you do and youÂ
go after once I do this, this is the end result, bro. I’m I’m talking on myself now. I’m thinkingÂ
like that’s that’s that I and and I can’t disagree with that. what why I why my why I have theÂ
stance that I have is why I think it’s cowardly is because we’ve all um had a death in the family.Â
We’ve all lost someone that we love and we felt that pain. So for you to do that and then inflictÂ
that same pain on your loved one. And I think when it’s suicide, I haven’t had a family member orÂ
a loved one that’s um died from suicide. People thought my mom um died from suicide because umÂ
one of my friends moms see my mom when she was down and she said I said something like I wishÂ
my life would probably be better off if I weren’t  here. And then so that rumor kind of circulateÂ
but it was never that but in regards to so so I think suicide deaths are worse for people for theÂ
for the the family because it’s like I could have done something to stop this. I could have. You’veÂ
always got that should have, would a, could have  with that. Whereas if someone dies from cancerÂ
or getting hit by a bus, well, hit by a bus, you can say, “Oh, if I had to give him a lift,Â
but if they from cancer or something, there’s it’s that’s been the cause.” I think yours yours is IÂ
think yours is more on the sense of look at the pain you’re leaving behind. Yeah, that’s exactlyÂ
what it is. Whereas Yeah. Look at itself. I think maybe not cowardly, selfish. I think it’s a bitÂ
more of a selfish act cuz you’re not thinking  about the people that you’re leaving behind andÂ
then the pain some I mean I’m not going to get into religions because you stay away from butÂ
religions that don’t that don’t agree with it as well. I can imagine so because I’m sure I’ve heardÂ
that God don’t agree with it. I’m sure I’ve heard Christians say that. Um, I think look, I don’t IÂ
mean I I think look, I think if you are suffering with serious mental health, um, then I don’tÂ
think you’re thinking about your loved ones, are  you? Yeah. Yeah. No, you’re not. I mean, you know,Â
he’s not in the right place. He’s not in the right place. But again, like for me, I just I thinkÂ
it just takes some serious and I don’t think you are. And you know what? In in one sense as well, IÂ
can see what you’re saying with the with with the selfish part because really you’re only thinkingÂ
about yourself at that moment. You’re not thinking about anybody else. Of course, you are becauseÂ
Yeah, you’re not. Yes, I can see your point. But then on the flip side about thinking about you’reÂ
always told in life to put yourself first. Yeah. So then are they not just to putting themselvesÂ
first? There’s a there’s a point for each side. There’s an argument for each each I do definitelyÂ
think it’s very and I think women as well you know suicide it’s worse for women. Um what do you mean?Â
So I I read something the other day where it was something to do with with with the brain whereÂ
women hold on to things a lot longer than men. I believe. So when you’re talking about likeÂ
things that are bad, the woman will will it will manifest longer with a woman than what IÂ
think it’s something to do with serotonin or  something like that. It was something to do withÂ
the brain anyway. I can believe that. Yeah, it was something to do with that because women have lessÂ
than men and therefore we can ours fluctuate so  we were able to like detach from Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Â
Yeah. So I just I don’t know. I think suicide will always be a debatable. Yeah, of course. There’sÂ
no right or wrong answer. No, there’s no right  or wrong. I just think it’s what your view is,Â
but for me, like I say, and again, you have the cries for help, you know, those those attemptedÂ
for attempting suicide, although it will go down as attempted suicide. But again, I know peopleÂ
that will speak to you about people in jail. The amount of people like on acts now that are onÂ
suicide watching jail is at the highest it’s ever been. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s theÂ
highest it’s ever been. Why? Why do you think I don’t know? I don’t know. I mean, I Yeah, I don’t know. I IÂ
couldn’t tell cuz I think I think mental health is at the highest it’s ever been. It’s rife.Â
Like about a few weeks ago, I was I was at I was at cabin. There was a guy there was a guy withÂ
mental health there. Then I’ve left cabin, gone to sensations barber shop, Chapel Town Road. There’sÂ
a guy on the on on Chapel Town Road. Whiling like just shouting at cars and stuff. I’ve seen him. IÂ
think the hat like a like a hat something asking brother. Yeah. He was on he was on my vlog withÂ
Vinnie. Oh yeah. The same that was on the vlog. Okay. Yeah. And um then I’ve gone down chat road.Â
There’s a guy in the wreck. This Asian guy. He’s talking to himself. gone back up to cabin. There’sÂ
not the same guy that’s got mental health. There’s  another guy there. This is all in the same day.Â
I’ve bumped into about five people with mental health and that like it’s visible mental health.Â
It’s not like people are holding stuff in and suffering. It’s visible. They’re talking to theelÂ
acting out of character and that’s in Chapel Town. So you think it how many people are sufferingÂ
in leads and the the the horrible thing about it is they can’t get the because some of themÂ
don’t identify as a problem. They’re just left to walk around until they hurt somebody andÂ
that’s the thing about mental health that it hurts my soul because it’s like they needÂ
sectioning. They need that support. They need they don’t they’re not it’s not even necessarilyÂ
being sectioned. It’s just having support. They  just need the support. Yeah. Yeah, some of themÂ
do need sectioning. Like I feel like the one of them ombres I seen that they needed sectioning.Â
Two or three of them needed sectioning. I think  with with mental health as well and again it’sÂ
it’s we’re just two people talking on it from from what we’ve seen what we’ve identified and andÂ
personal journeys. There’s no no professional. No, I think I think with mental health it’sÂ
quite widespread. And again, I’m not no um I’m not um no scientist, far from it. But I doÂ
believe these these strains of of cannabis strains now, the THC levels definitely is. And and again,Â
I’m not a professional, but it’s fact and I don’t smoke it. It’s fact. I smoke it. So, so I can’t IÂ
I can’t have that view on it. But what I will say like the psychosis off the back of these strains,Â
I truly believe it’s messing with people’s brains a million%. Every single person that I seen I justÂ
mentioned them five people all born weed. One one of them don’t burn smelly but Jinx Guinness likeÂ
it’s going out of fashion. Yeah. I I just Yeah. I um mental health definitely has a major impactÂ
on people’s mental health. Um weed definitely has a massive impact on people’s mental health. ButÂ
you see what the problem is is when people smoke  weed won’t take accountability for it. TheyÂ
won’t admit that that’s the issue. That’s the issue. That’s that’s a big part of your issue cuzÂ
I’ve seen luckily for me I’m from the tribe of Reuben. Okay. I’m born in April from so I’mÂ
very observant and I evaluate things a lot. So I I’ll evaluate myself how I am when I don’tÂ
smoke cuz I’ll take like um I call them ganja detoxes. So I might stop for 30 days or I mightÂ
stop for a period of time. I just stop completely. You know it is maybe my willpower. I always endÂ
up going back and having a spliff and then once I’ve had one then the next day I’ll have I mightÂ
say tomorrow I won’t smoke. So I might even not  smoke tomorrow but then again I might come aroundÂ
on Friday. Ah, and I find like I’ll be honest with you, I find weed I shouldn’t be telling you myÂ
my secrets, you know, but weed and Guinness is  that my that’s my um that’s my stone. Okay,Â
you get me? That gives me my superpower. So, it’s hard for me to let that go because I’mÂ
feeling like super mobile cape without that. You  get what I’m saying? So it’s just one of them carÂ
like why I have to keep reading there little piece think about edibles but then edibles get me tooÂ
high where I’m feeling my my body feels high for  this you know what listen I I went to someone’sÂ
house I’ve got to be careful how I say it because I want to give it away with the person was but IÂ
went there to through the work that I do yeah yeah um and I went and I and I said to the um I saidÂ
to the mother I was like oh I came yesterday no Must have been a Monday. They were like, “Oh,Â
can’t move. I done an edible Sunday night.” And I was like, and again, I’m thinking, “FuckingÂ
hell, I thought they were just meant to chill  you out.” But from what I hear with theseÂ
people that are having these these edibles, like they can’t move. They’re horrible. YourÂ
your blood feels high. Your blood feels high, Carl. That’s the only way I can expl my body feltÂ
high. I’m thinking, “What the [Â __Â ] is this?” So, listen to me. You need to explain to me or explainÂ
to that camera there because I don’t get it. I don’t understand how you can have something thatÂ
will paralyze you so you can’t even like do you know my biggest fear? I tell you what my biggestÂ
fear is um is um not being in control of your body also. Is it is it Alzheimer’s which is to do withÂ
your brain? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Parkinson’s  Alzheimer’s. Parkers above. Yeah. Yeah. They thatÂ
they’re my biggest they’re my that’s my biggest fear, you know, forgetting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Â
Yeah. And don’t get me wrong, you go through  stages of your life where short-term memoryÂ
longterm and you do forget things as you get a little bit older, but that’s because you’reÂ
consuming so much anyway. You’re allowed to.  Weed does that to you anyway. What I’m saying isÂ
is that’s my biggest not being able to control or being in control because I’ve always been inÂ
control of my mind. Right or wrongly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been in control of my mind. So that’sÂ
my biggest fear that that fear of not knowing or sorry knowing that you’re not in control of yourÂ
mind that that blows my mind. Yeah. No, that is that is scary. But I think when you’re smokingÂ
weed or even if you have an edible I don’t feel  like you don’t feel like you’re in control. I justÂ
feel like you’re just lazy and you’re just more lethargic. I wouldn’t say you feel like you’reÂ
not in control of your mind. What I would say with excessive weed smoking is yeah, you lose you doÂ
lose your short-term memory. You get bra excessive um weed smoking and phones, social media, havingÂ
an addiction to them two things. You get brain fog. Well, you get brain fog. Don’t get me startedÂ
on that. Going down different rails because again I think mobile phones and the social media areÂ
one of the biggest strains on mental health especially for the younger generation. Of course.Â
Of course. Because I think if you look at and you there’s a strong link and again this will stillÂ
lead it will still lead you to mental health. Mhm. Because drugs dopamine hit, alcohol dopamineÂ
hit. Social media has gives you a dopamine hit them likes and Yeah. likes. But the dopamineÂ
hit that you get off social media. Yeah. Is far worse. Now somebody a scientist may correctÂ
me wrong. Might might say he’s talking rubbish. Just hear me out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can takeÂ
drugs. Not that I’m saying you should or you can drink alcohol. Not that I’m saying you should.Â
However, you took this and you will get that  dopamine hit and it might last you half an hour,Â
an hour, 15, whatever it might be. You take that your dopamine hit of social media. Yeah. Is isÂ
anything between 30 seconds and 3 minutes. when everyone talks about the impact social media hasÂ
on people’s mental health to talk about the vanity side of things. So, everyone making everythingÂ
look glossy and women with the filters and people  that are watching this, you you go on to theÂ
YouTube channel and you’ll see things. There’s there’s ones with girl pretty boy pretty. I don’tÂ
even think I’ve put it out yet, but and if you go through go on to the social media part of when youÂ
talk about there’s actually people that can have they want Snapchat they’re asking they’re going toÂ
surgeons and asking for Snapchat filter. So they want to look like the filter that they can facts.Â
These are facts, bro. Cuz this another mental health another mental health people are asking forÂ
the Snapchat. So they want that filter like you can get on Snap, they’re asking for that. I forgotÂ
what they call it, but if you go on to the if you  go on like when you finish here and you you go onÂ
to our YouTube channel, go on to the social media part and I think it’s either in Snapchat or it’sÂ
on or it might be on it’s on I don’t think it’s on Instagram. I think it’s on the Snapchat one andÂ
they’re they’re talking about it. They’re actually  talking about wanting to look like the filters.Â
I’m going to watch that. I need to I’ve got a few of yours to catch up on. Honestly, it’s crazy.Â
Absolutely. It’s bizarre, bro. It’s bizarre what people It’s crazy. It’s It’s Yeah, it’s it’s it’sÂ
sad to be fair more than anything because it’s like love the skin you’re in, man. I was sayingÂ
this to someone the other day. Super pretty, but she don’t rate herself. Yeah, but you seeÂ
again it’s a mental health. It’s mental health  in it. Because again, but again, it’s it’sÂ
how you view yourself. It’s like me. I mean, I’m a bit fat now, but people would go like IÂ
would look at myself and go, I’ve got skinny arms cuz there people with body dysmorphia. Yeah. Yeah.Â
There’s so many different elements of whereas  we’re just covering as as individuals from certainÂ
areas. That’s what we’re genuinely covering from a generation that we’re from. When you look atÂ
all these other elements of mental health, Roy, that’s why it’s so widespread. And again, I’m notÂ
a professional to speak on on other things. One of the things that I look into and then andÂ
I’m still not an expert. You’re levelheaded  and you’ve got common sense. And I think that’sÂ
all you really need to do to be able to draw a decision and understand. Well, you can have commonÂ
sense and still suffer with mental health. Oh,  definitely. That don’t stop you. Yeah. My uncleÂ
the the got the most common sense in the world. He’s the most righteous man that I’ve probablyÂ
ever met. You know, if if it weren’t for him, a lot of things wouldn’t be the way theyÂ
are within the family and stuff. Like,  he made sure I would had a good relationshipÂ
with my family irrespective of when my dad was going on with his [Â __Â ] You know what I mean?Â
He’s he’s the reason I believe he’s the reason why Mike is a footballer. And I’ll say it with myÂ
chest. My uncle link is the reason why Michael is  a footballer because I remember being in the carÂ
with my man and he’s saying to me he sat down with Michael and saying when you make it don’t forgetÂ
Jeffrey don’t forget uncle Tony don’t forget my man used to give you his football boos don’tÂ
forget this don’t forget that you get what I mean  his dad installed he was telling him when he’s notÂ
saying if and just for Michael if you are watching this I will go with you did blow up on the sceneÂ
cuz it’s a running joke yeah based on the scene based on the scene based on the scene burst on theÂ
scene Roy, let me and Kyle come see you staring. No, I’ll go. I’ll see Roy cuz he’sÂ
a man I play for Man United. Oh,  so you got his back. No. Are you Leaf fan? I’mÂ
a Le. This is what I’m saying. Like don’t ever do that. You seen that? I’ve got I know. I know.Â
But you could have got that forgiven. No, no, no,  no, no. You know how people love you off. But thenÂ
again, M back their relationship’s good. Yeah. No, it isn’t relationship. But um nah, do you knowÂ
what? In all fairness, if I’m gonna be true to No, I’m not gonna be not true to myself. I think ifÂ
you I don’t think there’s there’s can’t prove it, but I don’t think there’s an end to mental health.Â
I don’t think there’ll ever be a solution. There’s no one shoe fits all. No way. No way. And IÂ
think that there’s so many different things that  are continuously coming. I mean, we’re not evenÂ
getting into the realms of what people from LGBTQ A+ or whatever. I’m not being rude. I you know, itÂ
has changed, but I’m just saying even that form of mental health, if you’re talking transgender,Â
if you’re talking um there’s so much things, you know what I mean? when you when you’re talkingÂ
mental health, I don’t think although people want  to go mental health and put it in it, but there’sÂ
so much side to it. I I just think mental health is is is is never ending and there’s alwaysÂ
something else. And what people fail to realize and these professionals as well, what what I willÂ
say to them is you have to be very careful the way  that you deal with people with with mental healthÂ
and I don’t mean just general mental health. What about people that have lived through trauma orÂ
have suffered trauma or or have been the aggressor with trauma, you have to be very careful thatÂ
you don’t retraumatize that person. Yeah, that’s true. Because one of the key things that I’ve seenÂ
because I’ve got a lived experience and the people  that watch this know about my lived experience andÂ
and you know also sometimes you’ll go for jobs and I found this myself. You’ll go for a job and youÂ
say you’ve got lived experience. You explain what  your lived experience is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. AndÂ
you will get an interview and the chances are you’re not going to get the job. You’re not goingÂ
to get it. You’re not going to get it. And why  is that? Because what it is is they’re going toÂ
get an opportunity in no other form of life will they get the opportunity to sit down with youÂ
with your lived experience and pick your brain. They’ll never get a chance. Yeah. They just useÂ
cuz they’ll never get the opportunity to do it.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In there cuz they’re never goingÂ
to cross someone like Let me tell you something. Here’s the biggest thing and I’ll I’ll leave itÂ
here. One of the things for me is when you’re talking about um lived experience, you talk aboutÂ
mental health or drugs or alcohol, anything like that, when you put an application in, the onlyÂ
thing that you must declare is what? Convictions or something. Is a criminal record. You don’t haveÂ
to declare anything else. That’s true. You know, it’s an option. Have you suffered with this? HaveÂ
you? They’re options. The only thing that you must declare is criminal record. So, if you have fiveÂ
people in a room all going for the one job and one’s never tooken anything, one’s taken drugs,Â
one’s suffer with mental health, one’s alcoholic, one the other one has a criminal lived experience.Â
The only person out of those five who is at a disadvantage is a person with a lived experienceÂ
because he’s the per or they are the person has to  declare. Yeah. But if the person interviewing’sÂ
got any sense, that’s probably the person that you really want. Yeah. Depending on the job. Yeah.Â
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if if enough work Yeah.  Yeah. Yeah. But I’m saying a lot of people becauseÂ
people now you’ll see a lot more people going, “Yeah, we we employ people with a livedÂ
experience.” A lot of people are saying it now.  However, there’s levels. Yeah. There’s a levelÂ
of lived experience that you’re allowed to Yeah. Yeah. You can’t go past that level cuz they go,Â
“Oh, no.” Yeah. Cuz they don’t Why are they going  to want to work with you if you’re a lunatic?Â
Yeah. You know what I mean? So, there’s a there’s a level of of what lived experience you can haveÂ
or what they’ll accept. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know  what I mean? But yeah, I just again I don’t wantÂ
to go off topic, but yeah, the mental health side of things is um Yeah. I think in the next comingÂ
years, you’re going to see a lot more. Definitely. I’ve noticed it’s spiked already. So, you know,Â
it’s it’s it’s it’s going Nothing’s changing. Things are just getting worse really. What IÂ
wanted to ask you though is let’s say for example, you say a normal podcast, you know, where youÂ
get to ask me a question at the end. Oh, good. I was thinking earlier, you know, ask aÂ
question cuz I got questions, you know,  um I was thinking, do you knowÂ
if let’s say someone’s had a mental breakdown to the point whereÂ
they’ve had to be hospitalized. Yeah. Do you think you can ever get past that stageÂ
or do you think you’re always So if you’ve ever if you’ve had a breakdown, do you think you canÂ
ever be a point where you’d never have a breakdown  again or do you think you’re always going toÂ
be vulnerable to having a breakdown? Well, it’s a good question. I think withÂ
medication you’d probably be be okay,  but the levels of medication that you take. WhatÂ
do you think about the medication? cuz I’ve got some opinions on medication. See, I’m I mean IÂ
can tell you my opinion. I mean I suffer with  a thing that’s called um so I’ll have them forÂ
the rest of my life. So I I suffer a thing called cluster headaches. Mhm. So the nickname for themÂ
is called suicidal headaches. Okay. So think about a migraine and then like with my headaches that IÂ
get and these are facts you can look it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They’ve even got blogs for it. PeopleÂ
will run into walls to try and get rid to get rid of this pain. Like people have committed suicideÂ
because of the pain. Because of the pain. Is that  why it’s called suicidal? It’s called the nicknameÂ
for it is suicidal headache. Yeah. Um but um but the name for it is called cluster headache. AndÂ
the only way I can explain the pain to you is this is you will have to be in a dark room andÂ
the pain is that intense that it puts you to  sleep. The pain is that intense. And again, andÂ
there’s the doctors that I’m at, they have one person there that has them all year round. Mine,Â
we don’t know what my trigger is. Okay? So, what it is is I have an emergency tablet. So, I knowÂ
now when I’m going to get one. And then what I do  is I take the emergency tablet that will last meÂ
24 hours. And in the meantime, I phone the doctors and they will get me my prescription. Then youÂ
you take a tablet every single day. Now, actually,  I’m meant to take the tablets all year round.Â
Yeah. But don’t you think your body will get used to them? Yeah. Whereas I I I can’t do it. Like I’mÂ
not a tablet man. So I have my emergency tablet. That’s I think that’s better for your body though,Â
man. Well, it’s like antibiotics. I’ve had anti  in my my age now. I’ve only ever had antibioticsÂ
once in my life. Swear down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So although I always go back to my grandmother’sÂ
old remedies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The best way, man. You know what I mean? because she wouldÂ
then again it would be a spoonful of castor oil,  spoonful of cod liver oil, garlic tea. Mhm. UmÂ
and a spoonful of Vaseline. Yeah. So that that was my morning routine. So spoonful of caul,Â
spoonful of castor oil, a spoonful of Vaseline, garlic tea, and then to finish off, you’d haveÂ
a nutmeg drink, a sweet nutmeg drink. And that’s  what you had every morning Monday to Friday. Yeah.Â
Yeah. Yeah. That’s what you had. Weekends off. The Vaseline bits throwing me off. I never understoodÂ
it either, but I’m guessing the only I don’t know why, but I’m guessing the Vaseline thing was toÂ
to line your your intestines up. That’s all I can think. I can’t think of anything else, but that’sÂ
what I had religiously growing up. Okay. Do you  know what? I don’t knock any of the old remediesÂ
because I look at that older generation and um I know I know man like 89, 90, drinkÂ
like [Â __Â ] and it’s still going good, going strong. My my my granddad, my mom’s dad, heÂ
was about your height, slim, right? Tall, slim, but he was as strong as an ox. Like he you got toÂ
think my my granddad’s tiny and then you know some of my uncles. You know, my uncle Neil that usedÂ
to do security work and stuff in Austin. Yeah. Yeah. Look at the size of them. And he could keepÂ
them in order. And I think that’s because he was physic naturally physically strong, mentallyÂ
strong. And the stuff they at back home, they  had these remedies. Like I remember once I had aÂ
cold, this chesty cough and I couldn’t shake it. I went down to my granddads. I was in high school.Â
I think I went after rugby train on the first day. So I’ve gone down coughing. He’s like, “What’sÂ
up?” I said, “I got this cough.” All right, one  minute. He gone upstairs, got some whiskey, honey,Â
some I think I don’t know if it black pepper or something. put it in this jar and they’re sayingÂ
drink that but don’t take too much or you’re gonna get drunk. I’m thinking to myself, granddad, I’veÂ
been pissed with my mates already. You don’t even  know I can handle that. So, I’ve sucked it. NextÂ
day I was fine. You got to remember people used to it’s like when um when kids used to be teethingÂ
used to whiskey and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, if you did that now Oh god. Oh, listen.Â
CS what they called? Not CSA. Social services at your door. At your door straight away your kidsÂ
are gone. But yeah, that’s that’s another story.  But no, listen. Yeah, this is this has to come outÂ
on a on a good on a on a good Yeah, this needs it this needs its time, man. Should be a good But inÂ
the meantime, we’re going to think of something  else. We’re going to think what for the next one.Â
Yeah. Yeah, we’re going to do another enjoy these, man. Um but yeah, I think you know it’s aÂ
little bit different this one because it’s  not really interview. But yeah, listen. Um whatÂ
I’ll say is this is um not so much to just you, but to everybody else. Listen, if if not even ifÂ
you know what it is, just check up on your people. Definitely. That’s something I’m definitely goingÂ
to take from I think just just checking on your  people. And again, if you think of them, phoneÂ
them. Phone them. Yeah. No, definitely. You know, I’m not saying go around to the house and if theyÂ
don’t answer, just send them a message. And you  know what is a guy I’ve got an Asian friend thatÂ
does it with me like if I miss his call if I’m in a meeting or something he he just pulls veryÂ
simple he was in my thoughts so I give you a call.  Oh yeah man I like that you was in my thoughtsÂ
that’s why I gave you a call that I like that and you know what it is then you automatically goÂ
I’ve got to ring you back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  Yeah. You know what I mean? And maybe if you doÂ
it to that that person you do the same thing to them maybe they’ll automatically like listen IÂ
need to phone him back. It’s true. And I think  it’s creating a it’s a good thing to to spreadÂ
around for get people to do like just check in on your people man. Yeah. again people say youÂ
see there’s a few people say that you know just  checking check but for me I just cuz it’s hard IÂ
I I understand now you know is it really that hard though the cost of living and work and havingÂ
working cuz you got to think sometimes you’re working to whatever time especially if you’re inÂ
in a relationship with family home you’re working  you’re leaving work you’re going home kids butÂ
your misses might have to go off to work and might go to the gym yeah so things do take off I’mÂ
not I’d be lying if I said they didn’t and they do And I and and days do turn into weeks and weeksÂ
do turn into months. It’s easily done. It’s easy  done. My So my thing is is look, if ever becauseÂ
if they’ve come into your mind, you’ve clearly had the time to think of them. Yes. So at thatÂ
time, making that call. Making that call. Oh, send that message. Send a message. Yeah. CuzÂ
a message takes two seconds. There’s no excuse  not to send. Don’t even get me started on that.Â
You see kids messaging each other all day long. Bring them. Bring them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Â
I don’t even like messaging. I don’t even  like me. tell with the link for your messages.Â
Sanka, pleasure as always. Pleasure as always.