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From riding the wrong size bike for three years to thinking saddle sores were just “part of the deal,” this is the story of how I gradually discovered bike fit… the hard way.

In this video, I’ll take you through the biggest mistakes I made (yes, including trying to copy the pros), how my position changed over time, and how I went from overreaching giraffe to comfortably aero.

You’ll meet my old Giant Defy, my new Elves Vanyar, and of course, our friend Dave — who still thinks slamming the stem makes you faster.

If your neck hurts just thinking about cycling, this one’s for you.

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6 years ago, I bought my first road bike. The only problem, the bike was too big. I didn’t know that, of course. I just assumed that sore neck, numb hands, and constant saddle soreness were part of the package. I’m sharing my pain. My position was way off. At least my saddle was high enough that I could see over small vans. Now, 3 years later, I had my first proper bike fit, and suddenly everything made more sense. I dropped a frame size, adjusted my setup, and instantly felt more comfortable. And I could actually ride hard without feeling like I was folding myself into a yoga pose. I’ll also show you all my measurements and position visually from when I first started and picked up the road bike to where I am now. It’s a vast difference. I’ve made a lot of mistakes, eight big ones, over the years, and I want to share them with you. Mistake number one, and it’s a classic, was buying a bike that was too big for me. It’s probably the most common mistake people make when they start road cycling. I was excited. I didn’t really know better and I just assumed a size medium was well a medium. Easy, right? Except bike sizing makes absolutely no sense. Is a 54 the same as a medium. Is a medium the same across brands? Of course not. That would be too logical. So when someone like Dave who is new to cycling sees a size 54 and thinks ah perfect from what he’s read he could be wildly off just like I was. My giant defy was a medium but what is that really? A similar Cannondale for example with size 54 may seem similar but if you look at the numbers the actual geometry of the frame it’s not even close. That’s where bike insights come in. Now it’s a site that shows proper frame geometry. Do check it out. It’s really really helpful. Now, because of mistake number one, I ended up making mistake number two, and that was actually riding the bike that was too big for me for three whole years. And once you start looking at the footage and my position, it’s painfully obvious. First up, I basically lost my neck. Now, the reach was too long, so my shoulders were hunched forward. And from the side, it looked like I was trying to impersonate a turtle. Another dead giveaway. I was constantly reaching for the hoods. It’s one of the easiest signs that your cockpit is too long or the shifters are too far away from you. My arms are also locked out. There’s no bend at the elbow, no flexibility, just stiff straight limbs trying to hang on. But unless you see yourself from the side view or an external perspective, it’s actually hard to spot. But once I had my bike fit, all of this got corrected. And we’ll dive into that shortly. Mistake number three was not fitting the bike to my needs. Now, the cycling content I was watching was mainly racing, tour to France riders, crit races, guys folded in half doing 60 km an hour. It starts to feel like that’s the standard. And that’s why I love people like Bike Fit James because he constantly reminds people that if you’re not a pro, you do not need a fit like a pro. Your setup should reflect your goals and your riding style. I even tried the whole slam your stem experiment in a video, dropped it right down, looked fast, and instantly regretted it. The one thing that actually matters most for people, comfort. If you’re more comfortable, you will ride longer. You’ll want to ride more often. You’re likely to get less injured. That’s who Dave and the average cyclist should aim to be. Mistake number four was assuming that millimeters don’t matter. When I first started looking into bike fit, I thought meaningful changes had to be big. like I needed to drop my saddle a full cm to notice anything or switching from a 100 mil stem to a 90 mil stem. Surely that won’t make much of a difference. Very wrong. During my bike fit remain ran me through an exercise adjusting my saddle height 3 mm at a time. The difference was immediate. Now, not always dramatic, don’t get me wrong, but it’s definitely there. We always try and find the perfect position. But I tell you what, if you put it really high and really know that will show you your extremes and that will also show you how these little increments can get you to the correct position or at least a lot closer. Anyway, now we did the same for reach, cleat position, crank length each time. Small tweaks made big changes. When you put them all together, it transforms how the bike feels. Mistake number five was assuming you can change one thing on the bike without it affecting everything else. like dropping your saddle height 2 cmters and thinking that’s it, job done. My position’s fine. Now, let’s take the saddle position as an example. Now, because of the seat tube angle on most road bikes, adjusting the saddle height doesn’t just move the saddle up or down. It also shifts it backwards and forwards. Let’s visualize this. Two parallel lines. You can see as you raise the saddle, it moves further away from the bars, increasing your reach. Suddenly, your reach is different. Your hip angle changes. and you’re wondering why it all feels very different again when all you’ve done is change your saddle height. Mistake six, cleat position. Now, I focused on the four and a half, which is basically how far forward or backwards the cleat is on your shoe. That part seemed actually pretty straightforward, but what took me longer to figure out and adjust was the angle of the cleats to match my feet. That’s where things got tricky. Now, most people’s feet don’t point perfectly forward, especially mine. Your knee, hips, and patients will start complaining if they are wrong. Now, both feet need individual attention, but if it’s wrong, it throws everything else out. And it actually made a massive difference on my on my knees. It’s these micro adjustments, especially on things like cleats, that make a huge difference once you get it right. Mistake number seven, having a reach so long it would give Pete a crouch a run for his money. This was probably the biggest source of discomfort for me over the years. Reaching too far for the bars meant I was in a permanent shrug. shoulders hunched, neck sort of tense, and after an hour or two of cycling, I would ache like clockwork. From the side, it’s obvious my neck had basically completely disappeared. Pretty solid clue that your reach is too long. Now, my arms were nearly locked out, too. So, no relaxed bend at the elbow, which is what you’re looking for. Just full extension, like I was bracing for impact. Mistake number eight, probably the biggest of them all, was that saddle height being too high for years now. It’s such a common mistake amongst new cyclists. And honestly, it’s an easy one to make. Made a horrible mistake. Here are my five practical ways to spot that something basically could be off. And if you spot one of these, you can then go and adjust and do a deep dive. First up, knee pain. If your knees hurt, there’s a good chance your saddle height is wrong. Too low and your knee angle tightens up, which can lead to hip impment. Too high and your knee is overextending with every pedal stroke. Next, I look at my pedal stroke. I want a smooth circular motion with constant power throughout the stroke. Now, if your power delivery feels more like a rugby ball with high power points, something could be off. Now, excessive hip movement is also a major red flag. If your hips are swaying like this and you feel like you’re doing the salsa on the bike, you’re probably reaching again at the bottom of the pedal stroke. You not only waste your energy, but it also absolutely ruins your stability when you’re rocking. can also cause saddle soreness, which is another sign your saddle’s too high. Now, cadence was one that really surprised me. Now, I never realized how much saddle height affects your cadence. Set the saddle too high and try holding 150 W, your cadence will drop. Let’s say 80, for example. Too low for the saddle and again, the stroke’s inefficient. Get it just right and suddenly 90 to 95 RPM feels smooth and natural at 150 W. I used to think you just needed to pedal faster to increase cadence. Turns out I needed to fix my position first. I could maintain that really smooth, faster pedal stroke, which is way more efficient over a longer period of time. Now, if one of these shows up, do that deep dive look at Bikefit James and specific bike fit videos on how to investigate. So, what has changed in terms of measurements over the 6 years? So, I started out on the 2015 Giant Defy medium and endurance bike. And now I’m on the L’s Vanar 6 years later, which is a racier, more aggressive machine that makes a Defy look like it should probably come with a cup holder. But I’m more comfy on the Vanar. And here is how. The saddle height dropped from 776 mm to 755 mm. 21 mm reduction in height that bought immediate relief from overextension. The lever reach also shortened significantly from 837 millimeters to 802 millimeters. And the bar reach came in from 699 mil to 668 mm. That’s over 30 mm less reach, less stretch overall, which is probably why I can see my neck again in the sideon videos. The handlebar width also narrowed. I was riding 40s and I went down to a 38. I also went from a 172.5 millimeter crank arm to a 170 mil, which helped with open up the hips because at the top of the pedal stroke, my knee wasn’t as high. A dramatic and probably an unexpected change was the bar drop up from 69 mil to 115 mil. And that sounds like a move towards a more aggressive race focus position that wouldn’t be as comfortable. And my new position is more arrow and it’s more comfortable. Who knew? You just have to look at your position as a whole package and work within your physical boundaries. Now, my full bike fit video where I actually go through the full fit on the day will give you even more knowledge. So, you can go ahead and watch that next. I shall see you

47 Comments

  1. A city bike always has a more natural position, but if you want a sportier ride (and look 😊), then you need to adapt your body by daily use of stretching, yoga or any other exercise that gives similar effects, especially as we age, and we all do it from the day we come into this world.

  2. After ten years of perfecting my fit by doing EVERYTHING wrong, I approve this video! The good news is that my muscle memory can detect a discrepancy of as little as a 3cm on any dimension at this point. I have a diploma from the “School of Hard Knocks”. A misfit bike will never get ridden and one properly fitted may get worn out. Happy trails!

  3. Im a builder for teams and athletes, bike sizing is always a nightmare because everyone has a different concept of sizing. Honestly looking at your pre fit to post, I bet the wide bars was the biggest issue, it caused you to reach further and wider causing your neck to gravitate in a position that is pinching and putting all the front weight on pressure points on the bars. Width is always the killer. Narrow bars will shorten reach, help drop the shoulders a bit. The elves looks to be a more compact fit, which if you race is amazing.

    I'll say this. 2002 I was racing a 58cm trek 5500 with 175mm cranks, 42cm bars, I'm 5'8, 32' inseam. Now i race on a 51cm BMC teammachine with 36cm bars, 160mm cranks and I'm faster than ever and can ride for days.

  4. Bike fitting for the win, BUT…if you dont intend to use a certain bike as its marketed, it can also be wrong. If you are a "tourer" and want a relaxed position, the shiny race focussed bike could be made into such as well, if geometries sit well for you and your body and your intend.
    What I want to say: While "too big" bikes generally are a failure, it might even be okay to change its purpose.
    Lets be real: Pogis race bike isnt needed by 80% of roadies or cannot even be properly driven by them….but in some instances you might even be able to reroute the purpose and make it into something else.
    As a kicker: We all dont know what fits us….thats why its even better to buy a bike while you got your first analysis.
    Some frames in "a bigger size" might not fit the purpose anymore, but might become a good bike for your kind of riding. I even would have needed to go 2 sizes up to fit my style on my old frame to make it work…mine was too small. That doesnt happen that much, but can. On the "right" size, it was agressive and didnt fit to my proportion and my riding style.

  5. Yes my bikes are too large, yes i m riding at low cadence and yes my legs are not bending enough… But that's the kind i ride my bike 😉

  6. Immediately went to my bike, changed seat position lower, and god what a difference! I had the same – I was learning that legs should be almost fully expanded, and it was all a lie.

  7. Fantastic video – I think I'm at the same place – Skip the memes as the information you're spreading is worth 10x – Cheers.

  8. Working on your flexibility and core strength also helps. A good bike fitter should also include that advice and work on it with you. A one time fit isn't always the fix….

  9. Great video. It literally is a combination of all of these things to get the fit right. One thing that can’t be changed in your frame size so people should choose wisely.

  10. for me it looks like you position is still not right. imo you need 170-172.5mm cranks. and seat ange on the sharper site. do get mot up an more front with your knee. that open hip angle and might makes it easier to get in a lo race position without breathing problems. try it on a wattbike at a local gym.

  11. Bought my first road bike 2 months ago and comming from MTB wich has a lot more free movement to a more rigid position was more of a bike fight than fit to say the least.

    it is a dark Magic art to get it anywhere near right and it nearly exhausted me more than the rides.

    I was too near the handlebar with my knees while being too far from the levers feeling stretched .started from the back with Saddle height and reach until i felt really well altough i still need to Change the saddle to something wider.

    then put some spacers to raise the handlebar but still felt Stretch and wrapping my hands around to operate the levers,even after changing from 110mm to 35mm reach…until i found that handlebars do have diferent sizes 😅

    My handlebar was 420mm wide,100mm reach and 120mm drop,and i measure 400mm on shoulders,so i bought an 380mm wide,60mm reach and 80mm drop handlebar with aero profile on top to have a more comfy support for my hands,installed and adjusted the levers to have everything aligned,i double wraped tape for more Confort ,and went for a trial Run and wow,it is just perfect,the hands go to the right place,i am way more relaxed and no pain or numbness on my hands anymore.

    Só,don't give up,analize the issue and try thinking of solutions

    P.s.i did a scale graph of the measures i had and what i thought i would want ,it was not made on a hunch.

  12. I HAD ONE BEFORE MY DREAM BIKE BUILD BUT THEY WERE USELESS, AND TOLD
    ME WRONG MEASUREMENTS!
    I EVEN HAD 5 COLNAGO DEALERS TELLING ME PEOPLE WITH YOUR SIZING TAKE
    A 58S (OFFICIAL BROCHURE SAID I WAS A 56S-WAS RIGHT!).
    DUE TO ABOVE I HAD HAND PAIN'S, ETC.
    I GOT ANOTHER BIKE-FIT, WHO IMMEDIATELY SAID MY BIKE WAS TOO BIG, WITH
    A TOO LONG STEM, AND TOO WIDE BARS!
    ALTHOUGH I AM TALL, I TAKE A 38CM BARS WHICH MOST ITALIAN COMPANIES
    DON'T DO IN CARBON, BUT ENVE DO!
    I SORTED, BUT 80CM STEM LOOKED STUPID, SO I SOLD BIKE, AND GOT A RIGHT
    BIANCHI SPECIALISSIMA, THEN LATER A RIGHT SIZE 56S COLNAGO C64, THEN
    A SLIGHLY BIG BIANCHI "PANTANI REPLICA" TO GO WITH HIS 1998 KIT (I HAVE
    IT ALL!!!)

  13. Great video. If you'd only provide your height in cm / inseam length etc. It would be way better/ easier to extrapolate for others than just comparing two bike specs. Yet again, great video.
    Oh. I went for ELVES myself. in winter 23-24. Was about to pick Vanyar, but decided for Falath, but old style (with deadly rim brakes). I'm unstoppable now!
    Cheers!

  14. The major reason people get excessively large bikes is because they need them to attain a higher handlebar position – this is because most bikes come with an excessively short-cut steerer. The solution isn't really a bike fit but for the industry to stop forcing riders onto badly designed bikes, the move to endurance/related geo frames was a good one.

  15. According to Canyon, I needed a size S on their Endurance All Road. I'm 5'10' and ordering a S was not what I expected or wanted to hear. I just went with the specs. I assigned the neighborhood bike guy assemble the bike. The bike rode great and I could have easily done Zone 2 for 2hrs, but my hand pain came about early on the drive. This guy didn't align the handlebars properly, so I adjusted and rose the hoods up. It should help on tomorrows' ride but I think it's wise to get fitted.

  16. your fit and how you shrimp on your bike seems rather specific. You do not seem to allow for any anterior pelvic tilt, which on a race bike is normal. How would you ever sit on a TT bike with your pelvis rotated backwards like this?

  17. I get fit every 2 to 4 years. As my body aged and I stopped racing my fit changed tremendously. I too sized down, after 10 years actually. It’s one of the best fits I’ve ever had.

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