We throw the two best neo-retro sportsbikes on the JHS Racing dyno to see how they get on – ahead of our big test!
Okay, the XSR is more ‘modern-retro’ than ‘neo-retro’, but hey ho!
Both rock, but which would you have?!
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[Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Go. Super Felce MV Augusta. Go for it. Speak to me. 2024 model tested in fourth, fifth, and sixth gears. This will run for fourth gear. Just shy of 123 horsepower and 54 foot-lb of torque. Fifth gear much is much the same. Slightly different map. Yeah. For power delivery, small increase in the torque at 11,000 RPM, but other than that, much the same. Sixth gear, which is much the same. Again, little bit more RPM on it. Sixth gear, but overall performance-wise, the same. So, they’re not changing their throttle or torque delivery in the higher gears on this bike. Lovely smooth throttle response, very predictable. You can feel how hard this bike pulls, especially when you get like 9,000 RPM or the torque picks up. It really does [Music] [Music] nice curve. It’s nice curve. Yeah, it’s lots of lots of torque which you can feel spread away as soon as you pull away in only in a couple of the modes of right. Well, it’s something I played with was when I was writing that was changing the modes to feel what difference there was, okay, on it. Rain mode, it’s not particularly flat, but I think one of the custom modes you’ve got is quite flat, right, on its power delivery, and the other mode seem fairly similar apart from the sport one, which is a lot more abrupt on its delivery of performance. It’s got a lot of torque. Yes. And it feels like it wants to rev more than what it does. The foot pounds is good. Over 50 foot pound from 3,000 RPM. So it’s over 70 Newton meters. Yeah. Straight away from 3,000 RPM and it carries that all the way through constantly building. It does, doesn’t it? Until seven, which then it peed off. Can we have a look at this versus the Super Veoce, please? The MV. Yes, please. Fourth gear run. Wow. Um, yes. difference in in power, but torquewise Yamaha takes it takes it all day. It does. It does clear. Well, let’s narrow it down, shall we? Let’s just look at performance to start with. Okay. Um, so yeah, the Yamaha as a road bike eats it all over. Mhm. And you definitely feel it when you when you’re running it. The MV is nice. It’s nice. It’s smooth and it likes to rev. You get that real big kick on it. Yeah. Mid-range. I mean, it revs four nearly 4,000. It makes power for nearly 4,000 RPM more. Yeah. Wow. That is a big gap there. I’d be What is Do you know what the bore and stroke difference is between the two engines? Not off the top of my head. Cuz this is This one’s actually just over 900 cc now, aren’t they? I think I think so. Yeah. Whereas the early MT range were just under 900cc. This is about 100 cc up on the MV. But it’s what the difference in bore to stroke. Yeah. Is that be where the performance a lot of the performance difference is coming from. There’s a and there’s another part to this tail where that the dyno doesn’t show that shows itself on track and that’s the MV’s counterrotating crank. It revs so quick. And like with everything on MVs, it works better when you’re off thrashing it. Yes. So fast it blitzes. So I’m looking at that and thinking that smashes it. The problem is but when you’re on the road on it, it blitzes through its rev range so quickly that it might almost even itself out a little bit. Yeah. Well, let’s have a look. Let’s have a good torque. Let’s have a look at the torque. [Music] See, it looks huge there, doesn’t it? Huge difference. A massive difference. It’s like 20 new 20 Newton meters all the way through until the Yamaha runs out. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that is that is massive. I mean, there’s no doubting this is a nicer general bike to ride around on the road. What’s the price difference? 8 grand. This is 8,000 cheaper. Yep. Than the MV. Yep. How much is the MV? The MV is about 199. 20 grand for a retro. Although this is a Tracer frame. It’s a Yamaha Tracer frame. Just over 10 grand. 12 12 12 and a half I think. Yeah. The standard Brale makes about 100 horsepower at the wheel and I had this I was like I doesn’t feel like they’ve put the 100 horsepower engine in and they haven’t. So I was really glad that at least the Velce had the whippy engine. One thing we’ll have a look we’ll have a look at speed or speed difference on the dyno between this is and the MV. You notice that there big difference in speed wise. So this is this is one uh speed over power. Mhm. So this would be very similar to what you feel on the road, right? So it the MV now jumps up closer to match in acceleration terms the Yamaha. That’s that crank. Yeah. Um which we can see. So the horsepower over speed there’s only a five Yeah. 57 horsepower difference all the way through. Whereas over RPM was a bigger massive difference. Massive difference. But then the MV same against P the power or RPM it keeps going another 15 mph more. 16 mph difference. Fourth gear. Okay. Then the MV’s got some over rev as well. So So it’s a big gearing difference. Yeah. Yeah. Massive. The difference is is that the MV revs a lot more. So, it’s actually probably got shorter gearing on it, but it revs more. So, you can rip through it quickly. Rip through it faster so you can get away with running shorter gearing on it to make to make up for that deficit. Yeah. Awesome. So, you see this is what this is literally why I said it before about the counter rotating crank cuz when you when I saw that massive difference, I was like, “Yeah, but on the road it do not feel like that at all.” At all. Speed over time. That’s another one that we can look at. So, this is like an acceleration Mhm. test side of things. Um, both starting from about what’s that was about 25 mph. About 25 mph. They are both starting at give or take. They’re pretty much pretty equal in acceleration terms. Yeah. All the way through. That’s pretty interesting. Obviously, the the MV goes on a little bit longer cuz that revs and gear revs more and the gearing all that. So if you did a drag drag race n to 60 neck and neck they’d be neck and neck. Yeah. It’s mad that isn’t it quite big power differences gear gearing differences but just some kind of like engine architecture Yeah. differences can make cuz it’s funny when you ride these in the MTS you feel like you’re being pulled. So you’re holding on to the bars you’re being pulled. When you’re on the MV you’re going along with it. You’re not being pulled because of that crank. It’s it’s mad feeling but it’s brilliant. It feels amazing. Yeah. It feels amazing, right? Wicked. William, thank you very much indeed. [Music]
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Wonder how my '99 vfr does compaired..😊