The Tour de France has seen a lot of big results for many teams and some that would have wanted more out of the Tour de France 2025 but who was the best team in the end and who overachieved.
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Hello everyone and welcome to another video here on the cycling day in extra channel and this is our usual post ranking to France and uh here with me I’ve got Yuan Wilson of the cyclist magazine of course there’ll be a link down below as well so do check out his articles but I mean Euan anyone who’s new to tier lists what are they so for this we have um a well every team of the to France you can see all their jerseys for the teams that took part on a scale what a five tiered scale for the teams that were the best. They can shoot for the stars and aim for the legendary category. Below that, we have better than expected. Right in the middle, we have mid. Below that, room for improvement for teams that, you know, underwhelmed us a little bit. And finally, were they even here? This is reserved for teams that left very little impact in this of France. And believe me, we have a couple in this list that certainly are destined for that bracket. Oh, it is. Uh but yeah, we might as well start Barin Victorious. No stage wins. They have this legend. Well, not legendary, but Laney Martinez really going for it. He had a very up and down tour of France, but last on the first stage, but then fighting for that Pogard jersey. Not quite getting it. They had Santiago Betra in here as well. 10th place last year in GC. But I mean, you where do you think they belong here? Room for improvement. Is that how much I It’s okay. So, how much do they value it? How much do you value the polka dot jersey run? It’s kind of one of those where it doesn’t really mean anything if you don’t win it. Well, that’s the thing. He finished third in the end and with all the talk of the sticky bottle stroke sticky shells, you know, that certainly um knocked some moral points off of it. Um in terms of individual stage results as well, I mean, yes, we have Martinez up there, but he didn’t really, you know, hang about for the final top 10 and stages. Mati Mo was good in Paris. I’ll give him that. Um but the rest of the team not quite there. Phil Bhouse okay in the sprints but it’s full B house. It’s what we expect. Um the GC strategy just completely you know came undone when um how well when Betrager and Jack Kay crashed in the opening week and we didn’t really see them from that point onwards or not Jack Ki abandoned. So I would say this is room for improvement. This is a team that have historically done very well at the tour. uh they’ve left with either a top 10 in GC or a stage win I think every year since 2017 2018 and you know they they usually come out with something and they got neither this year so I think we can happily put them in that below par bracket okay the next one is quite hard in your screen obviously we know about their whole history with the tour former winners even done a one two in the past and in this year’s edition obviously Aaron’s saving them in the final week with two stage wins. Rodriguez dropping out completely of the race was sitting inside top 10. What where do you I mean when you think of budget and everything history. Yeah. Can Thomas’ last race? Well, he didn’t do much. He went in the breakway a couple times and then just complained in every post race interview that he was um fed up with the tour, which you know, that took good old very quickly. But uh I’m saying that I’ve complained about the saw the whole way through. Um, nevertheless, if it weren’t for Aaron, I think they’d be in the bottom two. Definitely not the bottom. And I think because they got they got two stages. They got two impressive stages to Aaron. He rode really well. For him, mid. Well, he was better than mid, but I think overall the team is mid. It was really disappointed by by um Sam Watson, the newly crowned British champion. Did not do much. Got a top 10 on the opening day, then just evaporated out the race. Axelons was attacking at the wrong point on several stages. It was excruciating to watch. Um, you would just kind of realize about halfway through the stage that he wasn’t in the break, then attack across but never really bridge. It was it was an odd strategy. And to be as false, I really thought to be false would be in it to, you know, in it to get some breakaway appearances and fight for a stage win. Nothing of the sort here. I was left quite disappointed. Maybe if Pipper Ghana were here, it would be a different story. He crashed out on day one. Um the first abandonment of this race, but to be honest, you know, mid. That jersey though, definitely room for improvement. That jersey is awful. Really? Uh I mean, go for one lackluster team. Well, sort of lackluster to an actual lackluster team. Moistar, they haven’t tasted success here since I think 2019. I was really excited for this squad because you had a Ruvio, you had Ivan Romero, and what are we left with? I mean, don’t forget Abu Castrio was here. True. Two stages of last year’s looked really good in the first couple months of the year. He was here. I don’t think I saw him on camera once. Um, incredibly disappointing ride for him. I mean, Rubio and um Mast not in the GC fight. Both had close calls in mountain stages ultimately didn’t win them. Uh Monvon 2 and the condal uh mass looked good in Mononton 2, but just you know it just played his cards too early which is odd for you know a profile of that type where you know you kind of have to keep your cut powder dry until the end because everyone’s only going to get faster. I mean, who else? Romeo was was was okay. You know, he was all right. But I mean, the biggest thing I can think of for Romeo is the fact that he finally announced his relationship with Cat Ferguson during the sto of France and the fact he’s crashed out in the final st in Pontalier in stage 20. Yeah, I’m really quite disappointed. But can I just highlight Gregor Moberger finished 18th in GC? That’s that’s really didn’t think that was happening. No, but it did. And I mean, if you had him there to be their best rank rider in GC before this race, you are lying. But yeah, definitely room for improvement because I mean, they were in breakaways. We did see them, right? Red Bull, Bora Hunter, a very similar kit. New kit for the tour to France obviously flying leavo third place white jersey doing that absolutely backwards attack that meant that instead of being fifth in this year’s tour of France, he’s now eighth. Uh, Mayu’s crashing quite a lot. Didn’t get a stage win. Red Bull, why do you see this? This is so hard to judge to be honest. I think like, you know, Lipovitz was good. I mean, Lipovitz finished third overall, won the white jersey. Of course, he was good. Uh, but he did a lot of it kind of on his own. Um, the mountain support was really woeful for Red Bull. A team of almost 50 million euro budget. Sasha Lassov was like there a couple of times, but he was in the breakway a lot. Um, you know, and then like Mick Fonda and Danny Mosone, you know, them alone, were they even here? Um, I have not seen Mosone in this entire tour of France. Exactly. And he was here this whole time. Um, Danny Van Pop was all right. You know, I, you know, I was very bullish. I thought he was going to win a stage before this, which is maybe delusional. Um, May is still okay after his crash. I still have a couple of decent results. So, let’s not forget. I would say this is probably better than expected. No, the thing is I mean, yeah, let’s put it there. Yeah. What were you expecting them from them? Because I mean, a lot of people weren’t fit to win the white jersey. But Remco was in here somewhere. So, well, I mean, he wasn’t. Readers readers of my pre-tor predictions on Cyclist UK knew that I was I was team Lipitz before this race. So I mean in top 10 Patrick was big on the train the live train we have to be know he’s he was good all year and finally delivered here he so the team got about 18 top 10s in this race which is one of the highest amounts you know they were there they were certainly there and this is their best GC result in the team’s history in terms of the tote of France Bman finished fourth at 2019 tour slashel fifth in 2022 to rock abandoned last year. It’s I would say I mean you know it’s it it’s their best tour to date GC wise. No stage wins though. They haven’t won a stage since Jinley won uh in La back in 2023. The clock is ticking. Do we take a moment of applause for Roglish finishing a tour for the first time since 2020? That’s true. Congrats Rocklitch. Uncle Rogich. Um but you know better buckle up those Wasers if he wins next year he he gets to the outright record. Uh oh group hammer. So I you know Gregoire I was expecting a lot from Gregoire but he also crashed in that very on the stage 20 stage. Yeah but he had he had 20 days to perform. He was good in the first week to be fair and the team were good. They led the team classification for a couple days. Let’s not forget. And they also did that like absolutely bananas lead out I think on stage two uh onto one of the hills. But if that’s all I can really pick apart from this race, it’s you know probably not not that best quality. Guom matang did not guil Matang his way into top 10. Um he was in top 20 but to be honest just he didn’t seem like himself. He wasn’t on great form beforehand anyway. Paul Penow was great. I got to give it to Paul. poll was great. Room for improvement. Okay, but I mean I was ready to go for the bottom. I don’t know cuz the thing is I feel like they should be at the bottom. If you look through like the list of riders they had here like there are quite a few like wow I really forgot they were here. Um but Paul Peno got quite a few top 10s. Clay Moroso got a couple top 10s. Greg finished in top 10 a couple times. Valentine Mad was man was Was he even here? Yeah. Top 10 finisher as well. Speaking. Yeah, exactly. Now you can turn sad times. Um, Tatan, the actual Tatalian, not the Inos one. Joran Jat for me has been very interesting. The way he poached that 10th place away from Ben O’ Connor. They’re quite high low down in the rankings though for pro cycling stats. They’re 20th out of 23. However, this is the first time they reach the top 10 in 10 years and a pro country. So they are but so uno you finished either of them. But I think this is one of their best tours in a bit. You know, I thought I I thought they were really like I mean in terms of it was kind of just Jagat, but they were up in the breakaway a lot fulfilling that wild card team role that has kind of been missing from the past couple of years. They went in the breakaway on flat stages when no one else was. They got a couple of combativity combativity prizes. Ja got top 10. I’m going to say this is better than expected cuz I didn’t really expect that much coming into this race. Tois was also up there in a couple of the stages. really animated intermediate sprints and if it wasn’t for a crash Emilia Janeier I think would have been a perennial figure inside the top 10 in sprints but he managed to you know smash his teeth out in Dunkerk like quite literally he had to go to an emergency dentist after stage three oh sad times uh year education easy post last year’s polka dot jersey winners this is one you’re going to be very high on obviously Ben Healey stage win stand in the yellow jersey top 10 and super competivity award I was not expecting this from EF. No, especially after losing Caraz a week before the race. Um, this team was made up of like, you know, wild cards and joker acts in terms of being in the breakaway and messing up the order of the race and they did that. Um, Ben Healey in ter if you have a tour to France like tick list of things you want to do. He pretty much ticked them all off. Won a stage, got on the other jersey, finished 10th overall for for most riders. That’s the ultimate dream. He He did that in 3 weeks and uh he he got the super combat prize which is €20,000. That’s a lot. That’s the same as winning two stages. Um so I got to give it to them. It it is better than expected. Although I am spotted by Neilson Palace. He let me down. Also Casper House Scott, I’m sorry. He let me down as well. He had some fun interviews after the stage. That’s about it. Yeah. I mean, he also wrote the Jira earlier this year, so I I don’t necessarily know if this was on his plan beforehand. I was hoping Velcro was going to take a stage, but I forgot he was here, but he was all right. You know, he was okay points. Yeah. But I mean, where he’s come from with the recovery, that was like the big story. Yeah. Yeah. But Lau anyway. Oh, this team. Oh, honor Dilly. Desperately wanted him to win a stage. Um, yeah. What do you think? Lena vaned file not in the race. Well, he he crashed on. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Just never came back from it. Would have been intriguing to see what he could have delivered. Yeah. But if it weren’t for the lead, this they would be bottom. They would be bottom bracket. The lead was the lead was better than than what I expected to be honest cuz his form has been pretty rough this year. True. Yeah. I just wanted him to get a stage win but wasn’t meant to be. I think from one disappointment. I can’t believe I put these two teams next to each other. Soon they will be won. Um very similar races. If you remove Bim Gay from this race. Yeah, seriously. Where have they been? Um a really disappointing race. What was an incredible race last year or Barry just kept Wait, wait, say that again. Say that again. Well, I mean Barry just kept ripping up his jersey at the back of the group. Um he was involved in so many crashes. Feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel for for him because he was on in like incredible form coming into this race. But okay, let’s look down the list of riders. Veto Brat, I didn’t really see him at all. He actually is the rider in the tour of France with the fewest amount of Instagram followers. That’s a fun fact for you. Um Ugo Page, who I mean I’ve been so hyped on Ugo Page and he, you know, paid me with the crumbs. Lawrence Rex who’s at intermediate sprints but then just nowhere else. Yonas similarly just not quite there and von Martin stake I feel like we just know he was there because of his long name. Gimman crashed out. He could have been really good but he had 10 stages to show some results before crashing out. So I I Scott I don’t know. I really don’t know with this team. It’s it’s one of the bottom two. Yeah. Um, I mean, Binnie did get the second place on the opening stage or uh, but he’s also the only rider from that team to get top 10s. Yeah, that’s hard. So, you might want to put them in bottom. I mean, going from where they were last year with those three stages and the green jersey, this is not a good one. I mean, also from a really, really disappointing zero as well. So, what Okay, I’ll let you do it. Where do you want them? I can think of at least two teams that will be in the bottom. So, let’s put them in room for improvement. Although, that bracket’s looking very um busy right now. Who do you want to relegate? We’ll come to that at the end. We’ll see. We’ll see how busy it gets. Oh, but Jacob, speaking of potential busyiness in that bracket, Ja, they got their stage win courtesy of Ben O Connor. Yeah. Um and H Andre Jr. Prize. To be honest, I like I keep forgetting Ben Connor won a stage at this race. Um I’m sorry. Um but but that whole stage I think has just been wiped from my memory due to like you know the absolute mental fatigue of having to sit through that model stage. It was a really tough watch. Um Luke Plap was really good in the time trials nowhere to be seen on the road stages. I thought there were a couple days where he really could have like shone in the breakaway you know the penultimate stage to Pontalier for for instance. um the stage into Carason um not there. Schmidt was came very close to winning. If it if he had won that, I think we’d definitely be be moving them up, but he they didn’t. So, I think perhaps room for improvement, but they’re a team that always come into this race hoping for a stage and they got that stage. Looking at their at their start list, were we really thinking they were going to get more than one stage? I would say mid. No. F. Yeah. Yeah, we can put them in mid now. Now I talk about it more, the more I rationalize it. Yeah. Okay. I’m content with that. Although Bakers did not get the top top 10 at all in the sprints. That does weigh on my mind. Yeah, I think they’re saved by that stage win. But uh next one, Absson Darnic. Obviously, they’re two superstars leaving the race and taking stage wins. Both of them and Kaden Gross. I really enjoyed the Kaden Gross win. I really enjoyed the match of Anpool win as well. Albertson for me I think better than expected. Borderline legendary is that am I punching way too above because I mean that they they they have won lots of stages before. Yeah. Three stages for them is like average, but they won with three different riders, which they haven’t done since the Jirro in 2022, which is a great race for them when Old Danny Vanderpool and um the Bont won. They got two riders in the other jersey. They spent a good amount of that first week in yellow. And Matthew Vanderpool was entertaining and he if he hadn’t have of have abandoned could have been up there in the green jersey and probably would have won the final stage. Yeah, I think this is better than expected. They were they were solid all rounds. They had to change their strategy a lot and it worked out in the end. So we are we both agreeing then that if they were going to go to legendary it would be another stage and probably the super combativity award cuz I think Matraan could have won that. Yeah, I agree. I think he could have won that as well. But yeah, he’s got that popular draw. Sorry Ben Healey, but half of that vote is is decided by the public. Yeah. Suda, what are you thinking for this one? I mean, three stage, well, three stage, four stage wins with three different riders. That’s pretty impressive. The one two stage, I would have never like a few years ago if we said the Mon two stage winner is going to be from Quickstep. We would be like, what? And two stage wins with Tim Millier. Definitely their strongest sprinter, I think. And their superstar leaving, but still having a stage win. I quite like it. I would say I don’t know. It’s a hard one. Better than I expect. It is a hard one. This one I think is quite hard to weigh up because they came in hoping for GC. They didn’t get the GC, but they still got stages out of it. I mean, they won four stages. The only team to come close to that is UAE and they won the race overall. I think we have to put them in better than expected. Tim I mean Timalia did you think he was going to win more than two stages? Part of me thinks yes but yeah I was thinking three. Yeah I was thinking more but then he crashed on stage 17 couldn’t contest the win there. Pascal inorn was good in Pontalier on the penultimate stage but let’s just look down the list. Maxi Shackman, where were you Maxi? But as a team, Illan Vanwilder engineered that victory for Orel and Par Patch in the final couple kilometers. Remco still got a stage. Yeah, and I think this is better than expected. Four wins or four wins. Yeah, if they still had Remco maybe finishing up there in top five, then we could upset Legendary. But hey ho, uh T Pro cycling in the first ever tour to France. There was a lot of Julian Phipe on all the French TV programs. Um, a lot of bark, no bite. That’s what I felt with this team. Yes. Yeah. I am actually in agreement with that. It’s a good way of summing it up. Um, I think it’s I think that’s also just because if you look at this team, it’s filled with people who used to be on the world tour and quite, you know, recognizable names. Uh, in Alfa Phillipe, you got Daz has won multiple Grand Tour stages. Store who’s won Grand Tour stages and Trenton has won several tour stages and almost won the rainbow jersey if it weren’t for M Pearson. Um I think I store was good. Stora was was was really good. I think he was a bit unlucky to miss out on a stage win. Um I I just I I don’t really know what what to expect with two cuz I keep coming into races thinking, “Oh, they’re going to be they’re going to be really good.” And it’s just like this kind of average performance that we end up getting from them time and time again where you know who know X at least get a couple wins and you know spice up the race to be like okay they’re just there. Um they didn’t really go in the breakaway that much on sort of you know nondecisive transitional stages. Da was okay in the sprints. Marius Mhoffer I forgot he was here. Mark Hishi similarly just completely you know he just completely evaporated. Trent in and store I think were their best ride is. Um Scott, I’m I you know I feel like we need to like roll the dice to do rock paper scissors to find out where they should go. It’s either mid or improvement. Okay. Well we’ll say mid because it’s the first tour. Give them give them a bit of give them a chance. Well, it might be their first tour, but every single rider in that start list has ridden on a world tour team. And I think every single rider in that team has ridden a tour of to France. Maybe not Dyna, but uh you know this this is a team. It it’s not total. This is a kind of quasi quasi world to wannabe team. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Maybe the one of the ones that goes down. Coffee. Oh. Oh. Oh, Scott. When I was talking about teams that were destined for the bottom, this is the one. Uh and I think I can guess on the other one now. I can actually guess the other one you’re gonna put in. Yeah. Um only one top 10 from Brian Kakar who um you know if Brian Kakar Albasa might be a little bit higher um cost him a lot of money actually his own team with the fine. Yes. Yeah true actually. Yeah. Um it’s just man this has frustrated me so much during this race. It’s just a kind of, you know, it’s just a lack of creativity. Bonj the first couple days I thought, okay, great. We’re on to a classic kind of breakaway team coffidus kind of race. When he got into the polka dots, yes, he crashed into Matthew the first king of the mountains points. But, you know, from that point onwards, they had a but they had all their team bikes stolen. Perhaps that ruined the the team morale. They got them stolen again later in the race. Um, but this team were just like incredibly poor. just so so so poor. I don’t think I can give them a single highlight of this race. It was, you know, Dylan Turns, former stage winner of this race, double stage winner of this race, nowhere to be seen. Uh Am Bushman, where did he finish in GC in the end? Cuz I mean, I don’t think it’s particularly high up. Am Bushman, you finished in um 30th. Gizo, this is a man who finished top 10 before. It’s Yonway. I don’t think he even got a single top 20. I didn’t see him at any breakaways. Alexi Run has been pretty been on pretty good form this season building up to this race. Nowhere to be seen in this tour of France. Damian Tuz managed to crash fighting for it at 12th place on stage 20. Yeah, this is woeful. Like truly truly woeful. For a team that’s fighting for relegation, they should be embarrassed. Is that harsh? No, I think it’s fine. I think it’s actually what I’m thinking. I think this might actually be the worst team in the tour this year. I think in several years, I think this is one of the worst tour performances I’ve seen in a long time. We say that did get the poker jersey for for a little bit, but sorry. At that high point of 2023 and now it’s just downhill from there. That’s true. I mean, is this better than last year’s? Not quite sure. I can’t really give you a member moment from last year either. I guess called Caramel’s all right in the green jersey classification, but he always is if he’s not wiping people out. Is there a Premier Tech? This is a team that really really disappointed me looking at their the roster. I thought, “Oh, we might see something.” But bottom tip, you memor from one sports washing team to another. Um, IVT came into this race with two sprinters in terms of Aceman and Stewart and they got pretty slender returns from both of them. Jake Stewart almost threw away fighting for a stage victory in stage 20 which was incredibly frustrating to watch. Alexi Lzenko is not there. Alexa of, you know, Monte Gowal stage victory. He was in the breakaways but would get like, you know, dropped by a stone over the first speed bump. Chris Nland, who’s a guy who’s, you know, really animated races before, nowhere to be seen, man. It was just it was really quite abhorrent to watch this team. Joe Blackmore, though, at least he got top 10 on one of the stages, but apart from that, yeah, really, really, really quite awful despite having that fantasy prototype sprint bike. Can’t even get top 10 in, you know, sprints. Meat memora. Oh, yeah. Easy. Well, a stage. Yeah, we don’t really need to talk too much. We all know why. Astana XDS Astana. I was going to say, were they even here? And people were saying that they sent like their B squad here and they sent the A squad to the Jurro cuz it’s easier. But I also did think the riders did very well to fight for every single UCI point. You would see that. And I really like that. So I don’t really want to put them where they’re even here. room for improvement maybe or even mid to some extent but I think they they got 14 for NGC that’s something I guess yeah I mean that’s better than groupama confidence IP antim I could go on but uh I’ I’ve been really enjoying watching a standard this year I think that they’ve they’ve you know really punched above their weight in terms of scoring points and uh you know they lost a couple riders along the way, but they still got consistent top 10s. You know, Mike Turnerson was was, you know, flashes of brilliance there. You have Geni Federov got a top 10 in one of the stages. Simon Velasco was right up there in the breakaway on the penultimate stage. If you hadn’t have, you know, been caught up in that crash, David de Balerini almost won the Sha. Let’s not forget, you know, this this I think was actually a really solid performance. I would put them in mid. 14th place in GC might not seem like much, but this is a team, you know, in terms of pure strength, maybe not right up there, but did the best with with the resources they had and still get a fair amount of UCI points out of this. Yeah, no, I completely agree. Uh, Picnic Postal, a team that I wasn’t actually expecting too much in terms of the climbs. I think they were saying the same thing as well. And here we are, fourth place in GC. They got a couple of well to be blown and Tyson was also third on one stage. So they did get they were visible in the sprints and Oscar Lee obviously amazing better than expected I don’t think really it was a team performance although there was that cod de la stage where the team was very good to get him back in action. Yeah, this team I think actually once again punched above their weight looking at at their roster. They might have just thought it’s a bunch of kids fighting for breakaways and they weren’t. You know, to Bisun’s got Andreas got a podium on one of the stages as did Frank Vandenbrook as did um Oscar Ronley Bittner just missed out on on a couple of podium places. He was pretty good in the sprints. Hey, won a Balta stage last year but really stepped that up this year at the tour of to France among stiffer competition. You could say I think you know if coming into this race if you if you’d have told me that picnic were going to be one of the most consistent teams in reaching top 10 I would have been very surprised. Um they were they were really really solid I think in the end and fourth place in GC is much better than what they would have expected. Hley came into this race thinking he was going to go for stages and he finished in fourth one minute off the podium. Great performance. Rocklan another team that probably was more podium well more stage focused but Vlan finishing inside top 10. I was quite impressed that he managed to hold on to that top 10 place. Me too. To be honest, I was kind of expecting him to fall back uh in in the general classification, but he didn’t. And I mean what I find interesting about Arca is that they actually rode a surprisingly good race overall as a team in in the GC. If you look at the team classification, they’re the highest ranked team that isn’t, you know, a super team with 50 million euro. They finished fourth in that only behind Vizma, UAE, and Red Bull. So, this is a team that has like a quarter of their budget, maybe not even that, a quarter of their budget, and they’re finishing fourth in the team classification with um yes, Vocine in top 10, but also Christine Rodriguez was 20th in GC. Uh Ral Garcia was 26th in GC. That’s really good for a team that, you know, on paper we were probably expecting to be in that bottom bracket. Yeah, they because in the past couple of years in Grand Tours, they have not been very good. They’ve not been very impressive. But this to a France they were they also you know in terms of these little cash prizes you get on the way I mean team classification is is one of the important ones they got a couple of team classifications on certain stages they get a special podium ceremony for that and a couple thousand euro that’s really important for a team like this and it’s hard for teams to get that prize if you don’t have a you know super team budget or you’re working for on a fullout sprint train. So, I was really impressed by Arca. I know I’m kind of clutching at straws here, but I’m going to say this is better than expected because Vocline finishing in seventh is a surprise. I thought he was going to finish maybe 10th, 11th to 12th. Yeah, I think I think that this is this is really impressive. And Christian Rodriguez 20th in GC. I know that might not seem like much, but he’s a guy that some of you might not even known existed before this race. Yeah, it’s getting very hard now cuz uh we’ve never had this before. better than expected is the you normally it’s the two low ones that’s the the very packed uh columns but or packed rows uh little crack John Milan weighing the green jersey in his first ever tour to France two stage wins but I mean other than that that that was basically the sole purpose of this team Quinn Simmons going a lot in the break being very angry with motorbikes apparently Tim Wellins getting helped drafting that that quote for you. You say that he got engaged on the final stage. All right, there we go. Wedding ring on the Shan Le or the engagement ring on the Shan Le after winning the Mayoipier prize, the best teammate prize. Um, which I mean I got a vote in the first two rounds, but I didn’t get to vote in the final round. So, I don’t really know what’s happening there, but he he won he won that prize. Um, I think this is like I mean, you know, this is what Little would have wanted. Although one of their big objectives coming into this race was to win stage one and if they missed out. They wanted to be in the other jersey on day one and they didn’t get that. But they still won two stages in green and Quinn Simmons was one of the most animated riders in the race. Matia Skilmo crashed out. Tomcoin really let me down. But why did he put them? See this is hard to tell. This is almost exactly what what I would have expected from Little Track to be honest. So in in that regard, it should be the middle bracket, but I don’t want to put a team that won the green jersey in two stages in that middle bracket. So we’ll put them in better than expected. Look at us filled with positivity today. But I think that’s also a byproduct of the fact that lots of the teams in that better than expected bracket are teams that usually underperform. Yeah. I’m thinking about um Total, thinking about Picnic, thinking about Arca. These are teams that usually when we’ve done this the these before sit at the bottom of of these rankings, but they really overperformed. AJ, you’re one of your friends. Do you mean the Kathon CGM CGA or or what? Oh, yeah. Going to be next year, you know. Um yeah, it’s they didn’t get a stage. That’s a key objective for them. And they said before the race they wanted to win a stage. That was their main objective, but they got a top five from GC and that is better than what they would have expected. Uh I mean speaking to the DS and speaking to Gal beforehand, top five was like the ultimate ultimate goal ceiling, but they were also very pragmatic in that they thought, you know, that would be the ultimate result and they got that perhaps benefiting from other riders flailing, but you have to be in it to win it. And for me, I think it is better than expected. But if it weren’t, I mean, Bruno Amaray I think was brilliant in this race. Bruno Amorai was fantastic. I mean, he’s been attracting attention from Visma Lisa bike, but after this tour to France, he could be attracting attention from more teams and asking for more money. To be honest, he was brilliant. But I mean, the team also, there were a couple people we didn’t really see a whole lot of, but overall, I think it’s better than expected. Fifth place in GC. Come on, Scott. Did he have G down for fifth? I was not expecting that to be honest. So, yeah, quite a lot of minutes though between him and Oscar only. Not that that matters. Still fifth. Fitz fifth. Yeah, Uno X. I’ve been very very happy to see them. The funny thing with Uno X is Tur to Husov was asked at the beginning of the tour, who’s most likely to take your first stage win. Bear in mind this team was seven Norwegians and Manoscles and Adne. And he said Adane. Okay. here was also Danish TV, so maybe that has had just um skewed it a bit. But uh no, I I’ve really like this team. Abrahamson very aggressive. Not quite as aggressive as last year, I feel like, but to be Harley, you and me, we’ve talked about this guy for how long? I mean, to Lavan winner, we always expect great things and finally here we get something at least the top 10 in the to France. Yeah, it was just really steady in that GC fight. never really losing much time um and just you know being just absolutely stuck in that top 10 album getting a stage win as well. This is a team that get invited and they’re not like you know IP a lotto where they end up in multiple grand tours in in in one year. This is their only grand tour stage, their only grand tour performance each year and they overd delivered to be honest. You mentioned Malus C. He was underwhelming, but he came into this race ill which was a bit of an odd decision to keep him in the team. Um Steven Fleetheim was pretty decent in the sprints to be pretty good all year. Also Saw was was also decent until he crashed and then had to pull out the race. I think yeah, this is this is a really solid race for UNOX and you know top 10 in a stage win that’s what they’ve been struggling to get over the past couple years and the fact they get both in the same Toyota of France is really impressive for a team that is definitely not on the same level as most of these in terms of their budget in terms of their setup and you know track record. They’re not that far off UCI promotion but you know they’re not they’re not staples of the tour of France are still discovering this race. Yeah, I completely agree. That is a very positive ranking from us two. I’m I’m very surprised. We could change things once once we conclude this. But once again, it is those teams that we didn’t expect much of punching above their weight. Uno X, the Kathon, Picnic, Aroa, Vizma, though. We did expect a lot from Visma. I think this one’s hard, isn’t it? Because they did a lot of work. They had a lot of weird tactics that didn’t work out. But I also think if you don’t have the strongest rider, you can do all these tactics and he’ll just ride off you on the horicom and put two minutes into your leader. That’s the thing. But they had to try and do something different here because they’re up against Pagacha. Maybe in the final couple days it felt like you know they could have done more especially given that Pagatra was quite isolated the mountains. Pavikov off the boil. Marxel as well not that great. Adam Yates not as good as he’s been in the past two tours to France. But also Vizma struggled a little bit in the final couple mountain stages. Seep Cus not looking that great. Simon Yates as well sort of struggling getting dropped earlier than we would have expected from a Gro champion. But ultimately they won two stages, finished second overall and won the team classification. This is you know I mean it’s Visma. It’s kind of what we would have expected from Bisma. VGO though no stage wins. No stage wins for Veno. Matteo Jovinson still no stage wins. And there was all that talk with Vizma as well about the whole like team dynamic and Trina’s interview and all that kind of trash talk between them and UAE. It was really getting quite fatiguing. Yeah. The rivalry took another dimension in a way. Yeah. But then the proof was in the pudding and they didn’t win the race and they didn’t, you know, they didn’t really change anything. They didn’t gain time on Pagatcha on a road stage at all in this race. apart from the bonus seconds he picked up at the top of um La Plan yet. Wanted to risk it all. Not for wanted to risk his second place to try and win and then attacks in the last 100 meters. They they also only got one rider in top 10 in GC. I think I mean they were definitely hit. Come on. I guess I guess by virtue they should be legendary. you know, they they tick off all of their object well all of their realistic objectives. Um, however, I maybe would have expected to see Simon Matteo Jorgensson in top 10. Oo, even Okay. Well, last year’s winner won the tour to France. So, yeah, maybe we should have expected something more. I think they did well. I think there was just a stronger guy. The team was very similar to UAE as well. They kind of matched each other pretty well like writer for rider. Yeah. Yeah, I think so as well. But ultimately they also lost steam at the same time. Yeah. And that didn’t really help and that probably resulted in what were a really quite underwhelming final couple of mountain stages in the GC at least for the podium. Yeah. No, I agree. Ah yeah, you’re you’re so right with the noise outside that was very tedious as well. It was kind of like gh is this football like where you hear all the drama with the wags and all this. Uh but but it’s also all this talk about like you know Matio Jorgensson about him and Pagatcha and Pagata saying the attacks were annoying and you know it just kept becoming this whole like saga and it just it was fatiguing for us. Imagine being the writers having to deal with that every day. But then, you know, they’re also adding a little bit of fuel to that fire as well when they give their sassy interviews. But, uh, is there is there anyone that that you’d move about in this final classification? Is anyone going to Gartan their way into a into a top top echelon here or down? You like to sometimes or rock glitch down. H um h Maravastar well they even here that seems cruel I mean I would move grapama down but I don’t think he would let that lotto I could I could really get swayed to moving them down but I do remember getting I think at least one podium. Yeah, he was decent in a couple of the sprints and also that stage to was one of the stages. I think it was stage into to lose he was okay. Um and then was also you know really quite bullish um to use his nickname on that final stage in Matan. It doesn’t really result in any anything but outside of the lead that team was just an abomination. I think I think we we can close this chapter quite quite contently. Yeah, there’s not really anyone who sticks out. But I mean that aside, Euan, um, thinking about winners, real winners, who are the real winners of this tour and who’s the real losers from this tour in your opinion? Hicnic personnel are my standout team to be honest. I think because they were consistently in in that top 10. They got fourth place overall and you know it wasn’t just onley who got their results. It was also Frank Van Brick in the breakaway. Also um Lunard and Bitner in the sprints they were consistent throughout this race and don’t forget they are also in the relegation battle. So they needed points. They desperately needed points and they got those points. It looks like they’re now going to survive off the back of a really healthy points all here especially when Antimar offered this all suffered pretty well all suffered pretty woeful tours to France. So for me Picosel are the real winners here. That’s my that’s my top team of this tour to France based on the the tea that they came into this race with and for me the losers have to be oh is it confidence or is it IP? That’s a Well, if you’re doing that whole whole picture that you just did, obviously Israel Premitech are already up. So, Coffidus, I guess, is the like real bad losers, but also cuz they invested, they tried to do the same as Aana and really invest and bulk up their squad. So, you would have thought something would have happened. Alex Aaron’s Buru, where was he? I know. And it’s he he was great in like world tour races early this year and he was brought on to hoover up UCI points but there’s no evidence of that here at the tour you know is a gear I know he’s like pushing his he’s going to get his bus pass soon but he is you know you know I would have expected more from a man who’s won several tours the France tour of the France stages in the past. Yeah. Okay. I’m going to say Copus is my is my loser because it could have had you know a real stellar tour. Look at Extana from from the Gro. They came into that race with, you know, not one of the best teams on paper, but they absolutely smashed it and got the points they needed. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think definitely bottom. I I also feel like Marvice is a loser. You come in with like you said Pablo Castrio a double world test champ um not champion stage winner in his first I think that was his first one with a weaker team obviously Rubio top 10 finisher in the past stage winner in the Jirro even Romeo Enrich Mass. It’s like this team should be doing so much more. Yeah. Ibangario Cortina. Yeah true. Um yeah, I I also I can vouch for Mstar being towards the the bottom bottom end of this because I mean they’re more of a star. They are a team who have consistently ped in this race been up there in the team classification being in the top 10 and now they leave the to France once again without a stage win and a top 10. This has been the story of their to France since 2022. They haven’t left this race at the top 10 or a stage win since then. They haven’t won a stage since Kintana one with the nose bleed of Valwis before the pandemic. Yeah, that quite puts it into perspective. I mean, are those I mean a lot of the ones in the mid tier that we talked about doesn’t really matter. Inos is kind of no win, no lose. Uh but Uno X, we talked about it. I think this team really the development of that team last year. uh Upper Humpson in the jersey and like like they didn’t they weren’t really close to a victory but here they actually like being up there with the big boys as well in the GC. Yeah, they’ve they’ve built it up and built it up from you know Johannes being in the breakaways and trying to get a top 20 GC in that first race to now really being in the frame here. And what’s important is that the battle for wild cards is going to get tougher and tougher in the coming years because we’ve got teams that are going to come down. Um, Coffidus probably going to be relegated. Um, Arca, who who knows what’s going to happen there. That now makes getting an invite a lot more difficult because you got these French teams that should probably have a home advantage. But you’ve also got burgeoning teams that that that are coming through Q36.5 with Tom Pitcock and this other flotilla of riders that they may be signing with Penella bikes on their bike on their, you know, underneath them. the the Bastitimus squad. They’re looking better and better as as the years go by. Maybe with Dah Hunbe next year. They’re also another French registered team. It’s going to get harder for these for these squads to get invites and I think Uno X have proved their worth here and they should get an invite next year and if they don’t it is criminal because they want a stage and finish top 10 in 2025. Yeah, absolutely agree with that. Is there anyone else? Sudar, Crickster, Albertson, I think they’re fine. They’re not really winning or losing. Um, well, maybe I don’t know. I mean, Sudal didn’t get the GC result they hoped for. But yeah, it was also that all or nothing strategy with Remco, but they still won four stages out of it. But I do think that people will forget about Sudal when they look back in this race. They’ll forget that they were here and actually won four stages. Tai Pan is going to be the one that they remember and he only got that one stage whereas like Mer Leo did win a couple of sprints and Remco smashed that TT. So it’s it’s hard to judge for these guys because you know the riders abandoned that they were hoping to pick up big results. Yes for Phillips for for Alison but once again Alperson three stage wins with three different riders all in very different scenarios. Would you put little track as a winner? Okay we many of us expected John to win the jersey but there was still a Tim earlier. There was still Yasper Philipsson and Byam Kumaya. Little Trek have had better grand tours. I think it’s also hard to judge them because they’ve had a brilliant season so far. Their JRO was exceptional. They’re a team that have really overd delivered and perhaps we’re getting sort of fatigue of that. Not fatigue, but we’re getting used to them being right up there at the top. And the fact that this is just kind of like, you know, they got what they wanted, but nothing more, nothing less. It’s just, you know, quite middle of the road. And they had other riders that could have fought for stages. It wasn’t just Yonim Milan. We could have had Tom Sco up there in the breakway. We could have had Yasper Serva fighting for breakaways as well and Quinn Simmons ending up with that stage win. Didn’t happen in the end, but and also Scalam as well. He crashed out and could have won a couple mountain stages. But yeah, little little I think you know they they can be satisfied with this. They got the green jersey. They keep up the momentum there and they are a team that will probably carry on winning green jerseys in the year to come in years to come. This is Milan’s first ever tour to France. He’s looking like one of the best sprinters in the world right now. one of the most versatile and effective sprinters with one of the best trains out there. So it probably, you know, will be surpassed next year with a fully flit scale moa or chic to bolster up their mountain support to have a double doublepronged approach in the mountains and in the sprints. Into I think definitely are going to be a loser team unfortunately here. Yeah, 100% 100% because I mean Antamar I think it’s almost as if they’ve been served a sucker punch since Guray’s lofty heights and they’re not going to replicate that. They were a team in you know 2021 2022 that overd delivered and perhaps we we got used to them overd delivering and getting top 10s and being right up there in stages and being in breakaways and this year just nowhere to be seen but they didn’t have a climber once Bar crashed out. They didn’t really have any anyone to back up in those mountain breakaways. It was all or nothing for Germay who ultimately just didn’t get the results he may have hoped after crashing out. Well, after facing several crashes and bumps along the way. Maybe that’s just a byproduct of the fact that he won the green jersey last year and their strategy was to replicate that this year. In the years to come, they camp all their eggs in the bidding gmai basket. But is bidden gmai going to be a lot of antim next year? But we also don’t know. Yeah, I think his leader was particularly weak if I’m honest. There was plenty of times where he was getting lost and there was nobody around him and I was like, “What? What?” No. Mike Turner, no Herbert. These guys, these like important engines. I know Turner doesn’t ride for them anymore, but these are guys that were really influential last year who just weren’t there in 2025. They might need to sign up some more sprinters to help out and well lead out men to help out, but we don’t know. He’s probably going to be an Estana. Well, that’s the thing. Or or is going to be battling out with Anna next year. But anyways, on that high note, uh that’s basically it for this team ranking. And thanks to you for dropping in again, of course, cycling.co.uk magazine that he writes for now. And check out his by line that will be in the description down below. So yeah, and well I I I will also be doing a written form and I’ll be grading each team um on Monday the 28th of July. So stay tuned for that. So day as this will be out. Well, I didn’t know which day this was going up. So anyways, thank you very much for watching, listening, and of course, as always, I will see you around. Um Patrick will be back soon, but Euran will definitely drop in again.
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I don’t think that either UAE or Visma were Legendary. They were clearly the two best squads, but did they do anything shocking or amazing? UAE couldn’t even get Tadej chocolate. He had to settle for crunchy bar. I would promote Ineos because going into this race, I thought they might win one stage.
Visma got their guy to 2nd place, which is probably the best anyone could hope for with the current Pogi. If Jonas was just a little closer in time, and a little fresher in the final week he may have had a chance, as Pogi looked worn out those last few mountain days. Alas it didn't happen and Jonas was runner up for a 3rd time. Sure it would be nice if Visma could have won more stages, but they were spending a lot of energy assisting in their GC hopes. I think 2 wins was still good, especially the Wout win, it was great to see that guy with such a dominant and historic win after the very tough last year he has had.
I've been looking forward to this one.
Pogacar for legendary but for the team overall they should be in room for improvement
Visma Lease a Bike did well with a 2nd Place podium finish in Jonas Vingegaard, 2 stage wins in Simon Yates and Wout Van Aert plus the team award. If there was a category for 'Caused the most crashes', Cofidis would be #1 😊
Great run- through and sound judgment overall! Kudos to UnoX for hanging unashamedly with the big stars. Would possibly rank Tudor even lower, but again, they’re a small team so I guess they did OK given their resources.
Visma, room for improvement just for their tactics.
Thing is this was UAE and they still slightly outmatched Visma(barely) But it was with 7 riders and without their rider who has dropped vingegaard even on all MTF so far, UAE crazy much beetter in reality than Visma.
Uno-X was set up for stage victories, not for top 10 GC, but Tobias Halland Johannesen was packed with confidence and stated that he was not giving away GC-seconds deliberately (common strategy for beeing "allowed" to get in breakaways). If Uno-X knew what Tobias knew about his GC-strenght, they might have listed less sprinters and more climbers to help out Tobias. They could have sent Johannes Kulset to make the team more climbingoriented. Uno-X had two epic stages. It was stage 11 with Abrahamsen going in breakaway the whole day to victory, and it was a mountainstage when Tobias got ill and nevertheless got a strong result with the help of Leknessund. Uno_X was impressing, but still with room for improvement. Next year Johannes Kulset is one year older, Storm Ingebriktsen is attached to the the team, and they will build O2 capacity coached by Olav Aleksander Bu.
bini is overrated asf and won’t win another tour stage ever. one year wonder. stop hyping his slow ass up.
Who cares about stage top 10s? I can see maybe first to third, but after that, no.
Visma should be in "just as expected" category, maybe that's mid in this situation?, no more no less. Far from legendary. If Vinge properly dropped Pog even once and won a stage, or heck even two, we could start talking about legendary.
I often wonder what the point of Cofidis actually is – it seems all they bother with is getting a Tour spot annually…….One of the worst teams in professional sport, not just cycling.
Visma either mid or room for improvement
Very good analysis as expected and Ewan was a legendary appearance. Quick thoughts, would you consider doing a Pre-Tour ranking like this, especially as you have a better than expected category to base your post Tour rankings on.
The other thing is about Red Bull BH. As a Roglic fan, it’s clear his crashes has taken a lot out of his desire to compete in week 1. Stage 1 was an utter failure for the team to get lost in the split. Then Lipo chasing him dow in the break… WTF??? This was a totally dysfunctional Tour. I’d definitely move them down to Room for Improvement. A even though I always have hope for Rog, it’s time to retire. I hope is isn’t crippled as he ages.
Ewan Wilsonnnnnn back in the fold! i put @thecyclingdane in S-tier for their staffing tactics 🎉
Alpecin had a lot of bad luck and were able to still do better than most of the other teams. UAE lost Almeida but Alpecin lost Philipsen and Van der Poel.
You said yourself that "maybe we should have expected something more" of Visma, but then put them above 'Better than expected'? Contradictory? Should be just 'mid' if they didn't meet expectations.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Wout’s win kept Visma’s tour from being really disappointing imo. Jonas coming home with 2nd in GC, no stages and no time gaps on Pog was the absolutely floor for him. Matteo was dreadful. Kuss wasn’t good. I have a hard time seeing how it’s anything better than mid
Visma legendary? No way ! The maingoal was to win the Tour de France.
cofidis had an impact, just in a negative way. they crashed out multiple riders. put them at the bottom in their own category!
For us Norwegians, this was a legendary tour for UnoX. Their first stage win with Abrahamsen (broken collarbone 9 days before the tour), 11 top 10-stage placements, and highest ever Grand Tour placement by a Norwegian. Not bad for a Continental pro-team with one of the lowest budgets. Also they Got a lot of UCI-points for a possible promotion.
Ineos was „bettr than expected“ for sure. Wouldnt have epected to get any stage win without Ganna and they got two!
Legendarry Visma ?😂😂😂2
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