From four magical seconds on Alpe d’Huez to celebrating at the Joyride Festival.
Winner of the closest-ever Tour de France battle, Kasia Niewiadoma triumphed at the summit of one of cycling’s most iconic mountains. Despite an Alpine assault from defending champion Demi Vollering, Kasia dug deeper than ever to hold onto the yellow jersey.
Fresh from her legendary win, Kasia joined us at last year’s Joyride Festival and sat down with Orla Chennaoui to reflect on that epic ride and life after winning yellow, before husband Taylor Phinney joined them on stage to share his perspective on that unforgettable day.
If you’d like to be sat front row this October, you’ll experience live chats with Peter Sagan, Elisa Longo Borghini and many more cycling superstars.
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LF2s was like the biggest suffering I’ve ever done in my life. I think it’s very beautiful to be able to connect with a person you have no idea about through just sport and emotions. I’m going to stand up for this introduction because I think it’s um I think it’s quite necessary because we need a bit of drama to this and I think we need a little bit of grandeur because we have somebody my heart’s fluttering even thinking about this. We have somebody phenomenal, phenomenal here with us this weekend that we’re going to get to hear from. Now, this rider, this athlete is someone I have been slightly weirdly in love with for a long time. I told her last night, so that’s good. We cleared the air. Um, slightly obsessed, but will not get that far. Um, she is an incredible an incredible force of nature and I’m sure most of you have followed her, followed her career, but I am aware that there are people here who haven’t been bitten necessarily by the cycling bug. And I want to let you know a little bit about Cassie Doma and exactly why she is so beloved because she’s not only one of the best bike riders in the world. She brings a passion and an energy and the most magnificent aggressive attacking racing that feels at least from the outside that she is riding entirely with her heart, with her soul, with every fiber of her being. She is a joy to watch and she happened to win the closest ever tour to France in male or female cycling history. 4 seconds clinched it at the top of the alduz. It’s Cassie Nevia Doma. Am I allowed to hug after being weird? Is that okay? Sit. Sit, Cassia. Um, oh, it’s such a pleasure to have you here. Introduction. That was me trying to calm it down a little bit. Honestly, I was telling you last night that I just what it is is um I was at the Tour of Britain actually that you won and it was my first tour of Britain and we’d only just started the cycling podcast Feminina and it was my first experience of doing daily podcasting on cycling and myself and my co-founder co-host Richard Mer both fell head over heels in love with you and so this is a three-way love affair that you’ve not known about for a long time but me and Richard would obsess over you and and I’ve always loved exactly what I just said that the passionate way that you seem to ride your bike as opposed to what we see an awful lot in modern cycling which is quite logical and quite rational and I’ve always wished that you will keep that passion going. Is that what it feels like for you? Am I just superimposing my own emotion onto your bike riding? Uh definitely I love your passion when you’re talking about cycling. Uh I think that passion is number one if you want to enjoy doing what you’re doing and if you want to succeed in what you’re doing. I think that passion in cycling can be maintained because I have a good group of riders teammates around me. Also good support coming from my husband who also loves riding a bike. So I think cycling is something like that I could call a job but also something that I love doing like riding a bike and not cycling exploring new roads or having fun falling around kind of being a kid again. It’s beautiful. Um I just want to reference a word that you snuck in there and I noticed it sneaking in during the tour to France coverage this year. The fact that Taylor is now your husband because you got married this year, didn’t you? Yay. Congratulations to both of you to Mr. and Mrs. Nevia Doma. It’s beautiful. But it’s been it’s been that’s fair, isn’t it? I’m trying to convince him to actually change his name. We’re close to that. I think that works. No. Taylor Finny, Nia, just Nadama. You don’t have to decide right now. You’ve got about half an hour before you get the mic, Taylor. You can give us an answer then. But yeah, it’s been a huge year for you. Marriage. Do you mind me saying you turned 30? I mean, but it’s a pro cycling stats anyway, isn’t it? Turned 30 and maybe quite possibly the biggest event of them all, winning the tour to France. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely bigger. [Applause] I have so much that I want to talk to you about, but just in case we end up running out of time, I do want to talk about the tour to France. First of all, um, if anyone was lucky enough to watch this race, and there’s a lot of nodding heads here enthusiastically, it was such a beautiful bike race for so many reasons, but what was absolutely phenomenal, I’ve already said the time differential that there was. This race was 950 kilometers long and it came down to the final three kilometers and 4 seconds. And Cassia, as you were riding the El Dues, you couldn’t possibly have known that you were going to keep that yellow jersey. And if you were lucky enough to watch, you will have seen an awful lot of emotion coming from Cassia. What on earth? And or can you even begin to describe what that feeling was like when you realized that all the hard work had paid off that you’d bloody won out? Um, so yeah, the whole climb, whole lu was like the biggest suffering I’ve ever done in my life. Really, it was I was so deep in a pain that I couldn’t see my newly married husband who was like right there. We’re going to get that next to me. I was just like completely in a zone, which never really happened. So, it was interesting to experience, but also I remember just hating everything, every K, every minute of this. And all I really wanted is to have this finished. So once I crossed the finish line, I completely forgot that I was doing a race. I was like, “Fuck yeah.” Like, “I’m done. I couldn’t stop. I’m out of here.” And then uh everything happened very quickly. I just hear this massive yelling in my ear and then it brought me back to Earth. I was like, “Oh, was this the DS in your radio?” Okay. And then I just wanted to double check like what? And there just was like like immense screaming. So that like I the euphoric feeling I went through and also having my team around me where we could share all the emo emotions was just beyond anything I’ve ever experienced because I was so vulnerable from all the pain I experienced and I thought it was all gone. I like didn’t even want to do it anymore. And somehow yet I could not give up. I didn’t feel like there was option of like slowing down or backing down or like being like okay Salavi. So um cuz like if you train daytoday you develop this thought of like I want to win I want to be the best. And I feel like that’s what also helped me in the last case that unconsciously I just wanted I wanted to get it like my mind and maybe my body was giving up but like somehow deep inside I really wanted it. So after so many years of trying and like getting falling short to like winning getting second, third, fourth, fifth, finally everything came together. So seriously, that feeling we all experienced with the team is something that I want to be chasing again. So this is what blows me away about listening to you saying that the fact that you crossed the line and you almost forgot you were in a race. You just wanted the suffering to finish because none of us watching forgot. All of us watching were calculating these seconds checking one direction and then the other. And you’ll remember of course that Damy Volering, the defending champion, had gone on the attack on the climb before the called Glondon and she had made up the time gap that she had started the day with. So she had essentially made it her race once again. Yeah. But then we get to the Always and we’ve got five riders all within a shot of winning this thing. Got three riders who were within 10 seconds of the win within this five rider bunch. and all of us watching because Damy was up front. She’d gone on the attack. Cassie had followed, but she was up front. She’d won the stage and we all with our with I mean not our stopwatches that who watches television with the stopwatch. But I’m certainly looking at the clock and we’re all counting. We’re saying come on. And I don’t think it’s a spoiler to say that most people watching this were cheering Uranium all across the world welling you up that climb. Maybe not in Holland. Well, whoever is from Holland, I’m sorry. I think you’ve got quite a fan base in Holland as well. You’re doing yourself a disservice. Um, we all we all knew the time, but the fact that it was so close. Writers these days are often writing to numbers, we say so often, don’t we? And writing to power meters. I just assumed that you knew exactly what the seconds were that they were being counted out in your ear, but they weren’t. No. So actually of course the gllandon was super hard as well. It was over an hour of climbing suffering and especially when Dami went and I was not able to be on her wheel. My team was like talking to me logistics and like time and I was like slowly getting frustrated with with them in general. So, um, at the bottom of Albu, I just tried to be kind and I said like, “Okay, stop talking to me now.” Is that what you said or or were there a few like curse words thrown in there? I don’t remember. And there was this awkward silence all of this sudden. We had our new DS working with us that race. So, I think he was not expecting anything like this to happen. So he like tried to help but really didn’t know what what to say. Um I just basically needed a moment of silence so I could find my rhythm to find my pace cuz it was so loud from the crowd and like from the radio and people come quite close to your face and they yell. Yeah. So I felt like I was just like not in my rhythm for some for some reason. And then like as they realized that I’m getting closer to Dami, they started to like talk more and more, try to be encouraging. So then the last case was like wow. So absolutely incredible. And what is it like to be a tour to France winner and I ask you this in a very gender specific way because that was what the third edition now of the tour. And what’s really really special having covered this sport for a long time and a hu been a huge advocate of women’s sport my daughter and my son are able to watch and they went along to some of the cheer to France. Yeah. I brought them along to watch the time trial in at Rotterdam. Okay. And they can look to all of you as as proper heroes as proper heroins. To be able to take that yellow jersey which was never possible as a dream for you as a little girl. What does that mean now to be that person standing on the top step saying this is the pinnacle of all of it? Yeah, it is special. I think what I find more special is when people come up to me and share their like how they experienced the race especially the last stage. It’s really interesting hearing what people felt and that my emotions were able to be felt by others and they associate the client with a different stories from their lives. So I think it’s very beautiful to be able to connect with a person you have no idea about through just sport and emotions and suffering. And of course then like having yellow jersey is also very special because I could feel especially in my country in Poland that I was able to reawaken passion to the sport. I would hear many people saying that they want to go on the bike just to experience that. And I think that’s the best thing you can ever do in a sport to inspire others and to like kind of encourage them to pursue something cuz like I think that’s the the story of our lives. We always pursue something, want to get something that not necessarily comes easy, but when it comes then like you have amazing celebration. I want to hear about that and I think a few people will want to hear about it. I wonder just I know that we are um still queuing up for drinks, but I wonder if we could maybe um shush a little bit because you’ll want to hear Cassia’s story because I don’t know maybe maybe you maybe you’re used to hearing to France winners every day. I’m not and I love it. Um, so maybe if you could um shush the people beside you as well if you want to have a little listen. Um, I want to hear about the party. Cashia, how did you sell? I mean, Taylor did share some videos on Instagram, didn’t he? Of a certain bar and AluZ. How was the party? So, you know, always as you start the tour, you like dream of this massive party. You like imagine yourself and your teammates celebrating. Oh, do you actually is that what you is that what you plan for at the party? I love this. I love this approach. Maybe I could take off bike riding after all. Actually, our plan was to like camp on Albu. Okay. A very specific kind of party, but I like it. Yeah, cuz we were like, “Okay, we don’t want to go like even think about going to the hotel. Let’s just camp outside. It’s going to be so easy.” Of course, it didn’t happen cuz it was too cold. But we finished the race quite late and I had to do all the like um podium, press conference um interviews, zoping control. So it takes like around 2 hours and then I got to the bus and I feel like that was one of the best experiences cuz everyone is just like popping champagne and you see people you work with normally very professionally just like loosening up like showing different face. I see my team both like completely relaxed, you know, like having fun. So that was really nice and just like the joy everyone shares is super good. So then we moved to the restaurant to get some food and after eventually after some drinks we were like, “Oh, let’s go partying.” But of course after eight stages of racing, you’re like your your endurance is very short. How many drinks did it take? Yeah. You know, I’m sure you can’t tolerate alcohol very well after 8 days of course. Couple drink, couple sips. Sorry, sips. Very economic. Cheap date, though. Yeah, it’s perfect for the team boss actually. He doesn’t have to spend too much money. Anyways, then I I drag my husband to the club. I’m like, let’s do it. Let’s like finally Hang on a minute. Dragged? Did he take dragging? Really? I mean, he we’ve been together for eight eight years, so he knows me pretty well. So then after like two songs, I’m like, should we ghost them? Like I’m ghost them. Like ghosting is like, bye, I’m out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So after two songs, three songs, I was practically done. Ready to go. And that’s it. That was your party over. That was the party. What’s it been like since? What What’s your life been like since winning the France? Because you talk as well about how big a deal it has been in Poland. Quite rightly so. Have you had a chance to have much of a reception back there? What’s it been like? Uh, going to Poland was definitely special. Uh, my town threw out this really oops really nice party, welcoming party. So, it was really nice to reconnect with my people and to see how how big that victory was for everyone cuz it’s very special to see so many people feeling proud just for like knowing me or knowing the story behind the success. So that was really cool. The downside of that partying was that I got co at the end. So I guess social social distancing wasn’t put in place. At least you could ghost everybody there then. Yeah. But it was perfect. I could chill for a little longer. So amazing. And you say about the fact that you’ve been second so often, third so often. And I think as well, this is part of the reason I love you so much and I love your riding so much because you give it your everything. And I guess dominance isn’t quite so much fun to support. It’s whenever someone is giving their hearts constantly. We’ve seen dominance from SD works to be able to beat them in what has been their race when the race started in the Netherlands. What was that like? Especially when, as you say, you didn’t have that team support on the final climb. Yeah, I think that the whole week of tour friends spam was like a perfect makeup for all the failures or disappointments or bad lucks we’ve had with the team until that point. Um cuz everything went perfect besides the first stage where we had couple crushes. Yeah. Everything was going just our way. So sometimes it’s funny how it would happen couple times that I would start the race and from the beginning I would have this very calm feeling like I would know that things will go well. It’s like a weird sensation of like being okay like I got this like you just have more faith in yourself and it wouldn’t happen many times but I felt it like even the first stages when things were not going perfect I just like felt that we got this like I never panicked I never felt like I have to like check the results and see where I am at it was like a slow buildup to success is that a confidence that you will win or a confidence that you’ve done everything that you possibly And yeah, I think the second one I think that once you know that you train hard and you really sacrifice anything you could sacrifice, that’s where you have the confidence that like allows you to be calm because as I said you won uh the tour of Britain, you’d won before that as well of course and then we had the magnificent beautiful victory at Amsteril Gold which is still one of my favorite race results. I absolutely loved it. That was 2017, wasn’t it? I think 2019. 2019 2019 of course. Um and then from 2019 until this year there were no race wins until flesh willon. Yeah. Did you ever doubt in any way that that you that you were going to reach the very top or going to reach the very top again? Was that hard? Not really because there were numerous of of races where I knew that I lost just because I was outnumbered mostly because of SD works. Uh sometimes the race dynamic or tactics were not really favoring me. So, I think having that feeling that I knew that I belong to the final and I can do it yet like tactically we we wouldn’t have it with the team um never like allowed me to stop believing or pursuing the the sweet V. The sweet V. I love it. That was brilliant. What sweet V’s to target next then? What’s next for you? Is it a title defense next year? What are you thinking? Um, definitely Strat Bianke. It’s like the first I won it. For some reason, I really love this race. Like I love racing that brutal race cuz it’s super hard. But it’s super hard, but you always there’s always a light in your eyes. It feels like even if you’re not smiling, I feel like there’s a smile coming from you at Strataviana. I don’t know why. Just like the you know when I’m suffering. It’s the pain face. It looks like a smile. for real. Okay. So, Strata Bianke and then and then yeah, the big stage race definitely defend of the tour def France fam. Amazing. And you’ve got Cesily coming your way next year as well. Cesy at Drip Ludvig. How is that going to work? I’m really excited to have her along. She is I think that uh physically or physic wise we’re very similar. So that will allow us to play a nice game in the final. Um, yeah, I’m definitely excited because also she’s like this volcano of energy, you know, she always brings good vibes. So that’s what you need when when things are hard. Yeah, you two and a team together will be absolutely incredible. And we’ve got Anna coming back again and Vanderbreaker. What do we expect from her? I think you could be honest here. We’re in a safe space. Yeah, I think that she’s she’s going to be up there directly. If she didn’t have the numbers, she wouldn’t return. Yeah. But fact because she she used to be a coach for a lot of riders on SD works. So I think she knows the numbers what you have to have in order to win a bike race. So the fact that she decided to be up there means that she got it. It’s exciting. It’s such a brilliant time in women’s racing. I love it. And anyone who’s had a chance to watch, you will know it is at least and often often much more exciting than men’s racing. It’s amazing. I want to go back to something that you said earlier though, which was the fact that um if anybody did get to watch the race or or follows these guys on socials, you might have seen Taylor Finny uh running alongside Cashia up Al Duz and I just assume what a beautiful moment they’re sharing together. I love this this sort of demonstration of love that’s reciprocated from one to the other. No, Cashia didn’t even know he was there, did you? No, you didn’t see him. We’re all going, “Go Taylor, that’s beautiful.” Yeah. Yeah. Definitely not. And it was also in the moment where I really struggled cuz Avita attacked and I was like, “Oh shit.” It’s like the I felt like my whole body was paralyzed, but I had to go even harder. And I mean, he thought that his screaming, “Help me go,” which I agree. But yeah, I could definitely not recognize him. Oh, absolutely devastating. Can we should we have Taylor up to have a few words? Taylor Finny, Taylor Finny, Nia Doma, please come and join the stage. I’m afraid we don’t have a chair. So, maybe you can you can just perch. Sit next to me. Take center stage there. Maybe share a microphone. So, I’m guessing that Oh, this is cozy. I love it. I’m guessing that you figured that Cassia could see you and you were doing this wonderful gesture for her and, you know, giving her a bit of extra energy on the way up outd. When did you realize that she had been completely blind the whole time to you? Um, I’m not really sure. I mean, it was afterwards. I I wasn’t there to be seen, you know. I was there for her. Yeah. Uh, I meant to be seen by her. Well, ideally to be seen by her. I mean, we painted the road. We We did this whole thing. We put her name on the road, big K’s everywhere, crowns. And uh afterwards, I was like, “Did you see what we painted on the road?” because we did it all day, you know, and then um she didn’t see any of it. But I have a theory that Demi saw it. Okay. Okay. But hang on a minute. If Demi saw it, would that not have spurred her on even more now? Or do you think that broke her spirit? No, cuz you didn’t see Dami on the road once. I mean, we we we covered the last like sixks. Yeah. Um there is the there’s a famous Dutch corner on the seventh switchback or something of the Altoz and uh we actually saw uh Anamikman Flutin and she told us about this corner and we had a little bit of paint left and I was like we got to mark that corner like like a dog. Yeah. Taking your territory. I mean I definitely peed all over the road. I was just saving little bits of it for different parts. This is taking a dark turn. I didn’t intend it. So, what did you paint on Dutch Corner? What did you paint on Dutch Corner? Uh, we just threw a couple cases up and um we were friendly, you know. It wasn’t didn’t get any in any fist fights, but that’s good to know. I was ready to, but it wasn’t going to happen. So, um, yeah, she didn’t see me, but, uh, it’s okay. She sees me every day, so it’s fine. That’s true. Well, I loved as well, if you, if you don’t follow Taylor on social media, he documented afterwards, he put up videos, edits of um, his journey to go to Alz taking his tent, wasn’t it? Camping in the rain. And it’s weirdly, I was telling you last night, it’s weirdly compelling. I shouldn’t say weirdly, only weirdly because it’s not very social media these days. We do like 30-second flashes and we expect attention spans to be gone, but you take your time and you do it in that beautiful tone of voice of yours and take us through the whole story and it’s gorgeous. How long did it take you to get there? Not to do to make the video or four weeks. Four weeks to do the video. Did take a long time to come up to be fair. I mean, we did have to travel quite a lot after the race, so I I was busy. I also don’t like to spend so much time on my phone making these edits, but they are important for the people, you know. I do it I do it for you guys. The people. Yeah. But, uh, I call them anti-algorithm attention span challenging videos. Hang on a minute. Hang on a minute. Even the name, even the name sums up what you’re defining there. anti-algorithm attention spanning videos. Attention span challenging challenging videos videos. Yeah. Even the name is tough to swallow. Yeah. Yeah. I like it though. It’s very good. Um, what’s it like for you watching Cassia suffer like that and putting everything into this bike race? Because obviously you’ve ridden at the very top. You’ve been at the very top of men’s professional cycling. Yeah. How much harder is it to watch someone you love do that? Uh, well, first off, I’m glad that it’s not me. I’m super happy not to be out there suffering and um going into that black zone, but honestly, it’s very stressful. I get very nervous and I’m pacing a lot. Um, so it the vandalism helps with that frustration. By vandalism, we mean spray painting roads, not smashing stuff. Am I right? Or maybe not. Yeah, mostly. Yeah. Yeah, mostly. No, but uh it was actually funny cuz when we were painting the roads, we were sort of like looking out for the police, you know, they’re driving up and down, but then a couple times we were painting and then look, you know, you’re like, you have to bend over to paint the road and then at some point you just look up and there’s like a Jean Darm police car coming right at you. But they don’t care at all. Wonderful. That’s the beauty of cycling is that you kind of have these days where you can just I guess write whatever you want on the road and uh they accept it for that day. So well because they have a guy or a team of guys who come along I think they’re men um and correct any obscenities that are written on the road, don’t they? So if you draw something obscene, they make it into I don’t know a sunflower or Yeah. They make it into into road art so that whenever the helicopters come and the kids are watching, there isn’t a big fu day, for example, as you might have been tempted to write. Do you know if they’re hiring? Are you tempted to diversify? Sounds like a nice job. Yeah. I should ask you about not your job, but what you’re going to be doing here later as well, Taylor, because um you are going to be I was going to say spinning some tunes, but that’s going to make me sound really Somebody talk talked about last night a big disco. You’re basically like hosting a big disco, aren’t you? You’re kicking it all off. I mean, you can say whatever you want. You You’re DJing. You’re DJing. Yeah. I I prefer spinning tunes. Yeah. Do you over DJing? Sure. Okay. Disc jockeying. Yeah. What’s the style? What’s the vibe? What can we expect? Uh, like I was explaining to some people earlier, it’s just all classical music. So, I hope you Vovven, I hope you’re really into Mozart. Yeah, I actually am a bit of Bach. I like a bit of Bach. No. Yeah. Yeah. It’s just going to be really dark orchestral music. So, so there we go. Something to look forward to. I don’t think it is. Somehow I don’t think it is. Cassie, do you It’ll be fun. It’ll be fun. Do you like his music? Do you give him like requests? You can answer honestly. That’s a that’s that’s a face that tells a big story. What music are you into? Depends on the time of the day. Okay. Okay. Cuz sometimes I wake up and there’s like and I feel like this like building, you know, the tension inside me and the volume is like quite high waking up all the neighbors around us. But you got to you got to practice, you know. Yeah. I mean, you can there’s no good time to practice. There’s better times than 8:00 a.m., I feel. No. Well, all of our neighbors are at work in the morning. I mean, it’s Latino country, so I wouldn’t say that’s true. Nobody works in Spain. I’m just kidding. We’ll skip over that. We’ll skip over it. But you like his music depending on the time of day. Yeah. Yeah. And as the day goes on, it gets better for sure. Amazing. Um, I want to just ask before before we all go to dinner because um, as I mentioned, you guys had a wedding this year and I mean I say like you snuck who I don’t know if you snuck off but it certainly wasn’t on social media. You kept it private. You kept it to yourselves. Um, what was it like? What what can you tell us about your wedding and about your day? [Applause] Um, well so Kasha is Polish. Yeah. I’m American. Yeah. We live in Spain. Well, we live in Andor. Spend time in Spain. And it was hard for us to figure out where we were going to get married, who we were going to invite. Kasha has 30 cousins, for example. Oh, okay. On one side. Yeah. On one side. They like the Irish, the Poles. Yeah. They um have a lot of progeny as well. So, we were trying to figure out how we could have a small wedding. And then in Colorado where I’m from, you don’t even need a witness to get married. You We just did a Zoom call with this dude. Stop. Stop. Stop. You didn’t get married by Zoom. No, no, no, no. Okay. License, but you can self solemnize, which means what? Selfomnize. It sounds like I’m saying something else. That’s yours. That’s why I had to ask you to repeat it just in case. I thought we still talking wedding day. Okay. So, how Okay. But you got the license via Zoom. Uh we got the license uh in the mail, but we did this sort of test on Zoom and then we just got this piece of paper and we the test. We went up into the mountains and uh just had a little bike ride, of course, cuz we like cycling. And uh yeah, now we’re married. So it was just the two of you. Just us two. Yeah. Very selfish. But isn’t that beautiful? I mean, I I know that you you don’t necessarily put yourselves out there, but you’re a public couple to a certain extent, you know, because of what you do and and and and the fans that you gather along the way. And I think that’s a really really beautiful thing to do. Gorgeous. Um, so what are you looking Go ahead. No, I just feel like uh especially on social media, everybody’s doing things to be seen. And so I feel like from a personal standpoint, we’re not trying to be together to be seen. And so the marriage was just kind of a thing that we wanted to have for ourselves. And we didn’t even do really a post about it. I mean, she did a post in Polish, so it’s kind of sneaky. Like if you’re going to hit that if you’re going to hit soft launching the marriage that C translation note at the bottom then you can know what’s up but otherwise we have rings on and we’re married and who cares honestly. I mean we’ve been together for seven and a half years. Yeah. It’s beautiful. It’s a beautiful thing to do, isn’t it? It’s a lovely thing to do. Um so I’ve asked about next year in cheer to France. So we’re going for it Cassia. Can we have that confirmed here? All things being equal, all things being well, you’ll be back and defending your title, trying to get that yellow jersey again. Confirmed. Confirmed. Woohoo. And Taylor, will you be vandalizing the roads once again and trying to escape the Jearm? Confirmed. Confirmed. I will be wearing as much high viz material as possible. I can’t get any taller except for when wearing this. I mean, you do try though. And will you be weighing over the road or will you keep your urination to conventional spaces? I mean, I’ve already peed all over this uh hotel, so Oh, wonderful. And on that note, it’s time for dinner. Listen, it’s been an absolute joy talking to you. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for taking the time to talk to us and share your thoughts and share your stories.