Has Alpecin-Deceuninck Hacked Cycling? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 20 | THEMOVE

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) break down Kaden Groves’ stunning solo victory from the breakaway on a tough and rain-soaked Stage 20 of the 2025 Tour de France. They dive into how rare it is for a pure sprinter to win solo, how Alpecin-Deceuninck continues to punch above its weight with smart strategy and timing, and why riders are still risking it all in bunch sprints for minor GC placings. The crew also previews the unusual, modified final stage in Paris and answers a few listener questions to close out the day.

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A lot of people don’t realize when you’re the best sprinter in the reg, nobody’s going to work with you. Your chances of actually winning are much lesser because you’re the fastest guy. So, nobody’s actually going to work for you. So, responsibility said in his interview he was on an amazing day for him to go solo. His first solo pro win um in the last second last stage of the tour to France. I mean, as as as epic as it can possibly be and uh just crazy impressed with his performance today and the team for that matter. I mean, three stage wins, three different riders. Uh we’re talking about still 14 teams that have not won a stage. Um it’s just it was wild to see him off the front. It was actually incredible sight. Very very impressive. And I like seeing performances like that these days when there’s just so much dominance from guys like Pogchar and Yonas Vigo when they go on the climbs. Like this is racing. This is full gas racing. Tactical racing. Technical racing. I mean we saw the crashes. Your boy Romero who you picked out to win the stage before crashed really hard. Hopefully he’s okay. But second last edge of the tour. You don’t never want to go into Paris with a injury like that. Good morning everybody. Welcome back to the Move podcast brought to you each and every day by Ketone IQ talking about stage 20. A bit of a surprise here in stage 20. Uh Kaden Groves. We’re going to get into all that action. I’m joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins. We’re having dinner Monday night. Did you and me have any solo dinners, George? Uh, I don’t think so. Maybe at the house when I was the first week I was here. Can’t remember. It was a long time ago. Over the Love Island Marathon. Obviously, George Hinappy right here. And the professor. Thanks for having me. Spencer Martin. Days like today. Boy, it’s good to have the professor cuz he just pulls up all kinds of fun fun facts. Um, it has been great to have the professor. I agree. He’s gotten spicy. Time away. Be spicy. Time away from the misses. Mhm. Uh Pton Groves has quietly put together a hell of a career, hasn’t he? Right. First first tour to France stage win. However, he’s won stages in all three Grand Tours. He has won a total of 10 stages in Grand Tours. That’s that’s a heck of a career. That’s an Australian Hall of Fame career for sure. He’s a hell of a writer. and and wins it away. Wins this guy’s a is a is a sprinter. Wins in a goes away from a group of 12 or 13. Obviously, lots of crashes, lots of things changed the dynamic of the race, but um I could not remember the last time a sprinter won solo to a France stage win, but Bradley uh our encyclopedia reminded me. Well, I seem to think it was 1996. Jamaladin Abdu Japarov riding for Reffin attacked from a group on a hilly stage, mountain stage in the to France. Well, it’s a hilly stage, not a mountain stage. and one solo. You had a teammate in there that year as well in that breakaway, Lauron Medas. Oh, yeah. Okay. Who Valentine Medas is very good now as well. Yeah. Um I’ve always wanted I always loved those shows growing up. Uh where are they now? You know, they go back and you know, like and if they find them and they follow them and just kind of a catch up like Mr. T for example, like where’s Mr. T? What is Mr. T doing right now? Anyhow, my point on this is a a sprinter like Abdul Japarov, which was he was a I raced with this guy. This guy was I didn’t like racing with this guy, right? He was terrifying. But like anyhow, where is Abdu right now? This is such What do you reckon that guy’s doing? He might be in the Taliban about that as well. No, no, no. He was He was No, no, I’m not kidding. Where was he? Where was he from? Tash Kent. Okay. See, he could be a hash. He could be a hatchet wielding hitchhiker right now. I watched that last night. That’s why M on the break. Uh, we’re going to get into all the action. Before we do, today’s show brought to you by Zift. So, Zift recently rolled out its new Cog and Getting getting close. We got one more day. Um, I think we’re all hedging a little cuz normally be like, “Oh, this is we’ll watch these guys roll around and kiss their families and no rolling around. Tomorrow’s going to be a different day.” Today was no exception. There are a few things. There’s just sometimes cycling is just a head scratcher. I think there was this there were obviously a lot of crashes. The rain rolled in. Um, the roads seem super slick. But the thing that we’re watching, like these guys are sprinting for 20th place into the last corner. I think there’s really two parts to this. Like what are we sprinting for 20th for? And there’s a crash. Totty Pogar barely misses the crash. Lipitzer is right there. Jonas is right there. What what who who has this answer? Why why are we sprinting for 20th, but who cares? Well, we’re sprinting for it was 13th and 14th technically. Same thing. Two Estana riders. They picked up 25 ECI points for their effort. And this is like Mike Woods had a blog post in the first week of the tour about how like ways to make cycling safer. One of his proposals was eliminate promotion relegation because this is exactly what happens. You have a group insignificant racing in like a racing sense and you have two guys sprinting could have crashed out the first and second in the GC. But you know these points like every point matters like if you if you’re trying like Estana hired like mathematicians at the start of the year who then went through every rider’s power profile and you’re saying if they did or they did they did this. Yeah. And they’re like send these riders to this race based on the power profiles. Like they’re trying to get every UCI point they can cuz they have to be they cannot fall out of the world tour. Okay. Let me help me understand this. So they are sprinting for whatever place it was and you said it’s 25 UCI points. Yeah. Oh, all right. Um, so, uh, for example, uh, how many points does UAE have as a team? Like they’re 10 times. No, I know, but I mean, is this like a million or is it like 500? Because if it’s 5, you know, it starts to percentage wise, it starts to matter cuz if it doesn’t matter, what are we doing? UA, I mean, this is a bad example. UA has 20 20,000 points, but they have almost twice as many as the next team. Okay, so then what does uh Dathlon have? Dathlon might have. And what does Astana have? cuz they’re the ones who were sprinting for 80th place. Well, so Astana has 11,000 points. They’re the third best team in the sport. But what but it’s a three it’s a three-year aggregate. So Astana started the year in like below like you have to be 18th or better to make it in the world tour. They were like 19th. They were on the bubble by they had a deficit of 5,000 points to make up. So they came into this year just like scraping for every point they can get and now they’re third. Well, third on the year, but in the aggregate three-year ranking, they’re 16th. Well, you know what? You know what? I mean, I’m not very smart, but that doesn’t make any sense. However, uh I kind of laughed when you said the uh that Bor team Borat had hired mathematicians. Clearly, it wasn’t a bad idea. I got to give it to your ex team. Your ex team. Thank you. But this we would be remiss not to talk about today’s stage, but we’re going to talk about phones points later. It’s It’s wearing on. It’s wearing on and on, you know, but but let’s talk what thoughts. I mean, today it was like a heavyweight title fight. Uh I don’t think I remember ever seeing a second penultimate stage of the tour to France be one so dangerous, two so chaotic. Uh five groups on the road at one point. Uh GC guys trying to slip in top 10. This best sprinter in the breakaway. A lot of people don’t realize when you’re the best sprinter in the breakaway, nobody’s going to work with you. your chances of actually winning are much lesser because you’re the fastest guy. So, nobody’s actually going to work for you. So, responsibility said in his interview he was on an amazing day for him to go solo his first solo pro win um in the last second last stage of the tour to France. I mean, as as as epic as it can possibly be and uh just crazy impressed with his performance today and the team for that matter. I mean, three stage wins, three different riders. Uh we’re talking about still 14 teams that have not won a stage. Um it’s just it was wild to see him off the front. It was actually incredible sight. Very very impressive. And I like seeing performances like that these days when there’s just so much dominance from guys like Pokear and Yonas Vigo when they go on the climbs. Like this is racing. This is full gas racing, tactical racing, technical racing. I mean we saw the crashes. Your boy Romero who you picked out to win the stage before crashed really hard. Hopefully he’s okay. But second last stage of the tour. You don’t never want to go into Paris with a injury like that. Romero was my wild card for this race. He was just starting to get find his groove and light the race up and then Spencer put $1,000 on him. Yeah. And he crashed 5 seconds later. Yeah, he jinxed them. Well, I did bet on Groves as a hedge there, too. So, we recovered the losses. So, apparently the roads were I mean, not apparently, there was some sort of something on the roads that made it really slick. These guys, it wasn’t their fault. They were crashing. The bikes were just going off from underneath them, which is really scary. Imagine the the GC the GC group behind because the directors are seeing the breakaway crash. When you’re in a breakaway, you shouldn’t be crashing. They’re screaming the radio like this corner’s coming up. Everybody slowed down. So, in a sense, it’s probably safer than them because they know how slick it is. But still, I mean, we saw guys just out of the saddle sliding out. I mean, the start of the race was brutally hard, George. Like, I don’t even It’s hard to even comprehend how Kaden Groves made that move. And you’re right, like he kind of had to win it solo cuz no one’s going to work with him. Why did Jake Stewart, another sprinter, just let the wheel go and let him ride away? In a breakaway like that, you got to take all kinds of risks. I mean, perhaps he just didn’t want to do that little bit of extra work to save for the sprint in case they all came together. I mean, there’s just so many variables that go on in a breakaway. People don’t understand how actually how difficult it is to win, especially if you’re one of the fastest guys in the race. And I believe Jay Stewart just had to play his game and and and hope that somebody else would have chased him down. Yeah. You make that bet, right? You let him. You say you let him get a whatever 10 seconds and in the back of your mind you think well surely we’ll we’re 10 strong guys here we’ll reel him in but but who’s going to work Stewart I guess would be my push back on that is what you saw why I mean why else would they make the breakaway they have to give themselves a fighting chance to win so Jay Stewart in his mind’s going okay well they’re not going to let Kaden go the fastest guy in the race one of the strongest guys in the race roll away so I’m going to take the risk and let them do most of the work he lost out on the wrist but I understand the play he made today and what’s going on uh with the team radio, right? You also there’s some accountability there where the director says this is not good. You guys, you got to don’t let him go. Uh cuz he can ride alone despite having never done it before. Uh we didn’t have we weren’t privy to their communications. But but if you’re in a three- rider move, if Enzo’s in a three- rider move, would you ever radio up to him and be like, “Let this guy go?” I just I just can’t Well, I don’t think you’d say let him go. I think you would say don’t let him go. Yeah. And and I mean, you can’t really guess how he was feeling at that moment. Like you said, it was such a hard start. I mean, perhaps he was just in a moment of crisis and couldn’t go. We don’t know if it was a tactical error or just a physical error. I mean, there’s just, like I said, so much going on in these breakaways. It’s impossible to know how he was feeling. Bradley. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it’s just I think at this stage of the tour as well, everyone was so I mean it was on I I turned it on at 10 4 this morning to watch and it was just on Hang on a sec. 10 4 10 4 What? A.M. Oh, I was up early at 5. Was that Hawaii time or No, no, no, no. The stage started 4. What are you doing at 4? The stage started 10 4. Someone had watched from the start. Oh, yeah. So, walk us through the start. So they was just it was gone like Donkey Kong from the start. And um uh what’s he killed? Casper Ascreen was off the front for a bit. Ben Sweeney was not Ben Sweeney. Um Harrison Har the other fell the yellow jersey was he Ben Healey. That guy Ben Healey was was trying to get in. They were trying to put two riders in the break and they were chasing each other down. The commentary team couldn’t work out why they were doing that. But it was just they just kept reforming this washing machine effect. you know, the different groups kept going off the front and then it was raining quite heavily. The big there was a couple of crashes and it was just it was continually like that and you couldn’t even keep track of the race. At one point there was four groups on the road with Van Art chasing at 3 minutes. Yeah. Um it was just a super tough day from the start. And when the breakaway finally went, it was just like a little crack at the front and then that was it. Yeah. Well, I think the break the breakaway actually rolled away because of the crashes in the Pelaton, too. That sort of neutralized them and they go, “Well, you know what? We’re going to be going full gas here. there’s going to be a lot more crashes. So, I think they kind of took the safe route and said, “Okay, I guess we have to let this breakaway go or we we could potentially lose the whole tour of France by crashing.” It does terrify the group. And just a reminder to folks like, you know, in that crash that we’re talking about in that final corner, if Tiny Pog, this goes all the way to the last lap in Paris, right? If if if you crash and break a collar bone and you cannot cross the finish line, well, it’s you don’t finish the tour. Um, so it probably just a just a shock of or a reminder to all the guys in the group, GC guys, guys that have made it, you know, 98% of the way there going, “Hang on a second. I’m not hitting the deck and getting a concussion, breaking a collar bone, and not making it to Paris after this tour.” People just like, “All right, let’s chill.” I I always talk about on this show like I feel like this this table right here has experienced every scenario in the tour to France. Well, we’ve never experienced what’s what’s going on tonight. Like usually the last day of the the race, 80% of the pelatons like, “Okay, we got a relatively easy day tomorrow. Go get McDonald’s, get a couple beers, couple.” Now it’s like tomorrow is a full-on classics race. Small roads. Sorry guys, hills. I wonder if that’s going to change the procession tomorrow and the feel of the start. We’ve never seen it. You’d be so nervous. You know that that first 100k normally you always felt worse in the first 100k in Paris because you run so slow and then the speed goes up when you hit the shles or get close to Paris but tomorrow I mean are we going to have all the traditional champagne and yeah is it going to be attack from kilome zero because guys are going to try to get up the road before the racing starts. Yeah. I mean could be this is really affecting the the history of the race in my opinion. I’m so curious. I mean, is this a uh uh is this a an experiment or is this is this um I guess that we’ll wait and see till tomorrow. I mean, I think it’s um maybe it’s a throwback or just a you know, a nice little nod to to Paris 24. Um but you know, hey, I agree with everything said. Uh we are going to take a quick peacock break. We’ll be back in two and 32. All right, and we’re back. Um let’s talk about Alpison. I mean, this team um obviously led by Matthew Vanderpool, who’s certainly the best classics writer in the sport, but you know, I would argue he’s a top two in terms of marquee names. I he’s a he’s a star. Um team comes into the race, um brings Jasper Phillips and crashes out early. Feels like that was forever ago. Yeah. Um, we were talking uh during the race today that uh feels like he could have certainly contested for the green jersey, probably won the green jersey. Um, but the team has to to pivot and and come up with another strategy. This is a smaller team budget-wise. Uh, they’ve won three stages uh without their marquee sprinter. Uh, Spencer, you’re curious too how you bring a guy like Kaden Groves, who’s a sprinter, to support another great sprinter. Um, but net net, this is this is a five-star tour for a team like this. Yeah. And I I mean, you said they had to pivot for another strategy since they lost Philips and Vandable. I actually argue against that. They had no pressure. Yeah. They had an amazing tour already. And the the directors, if I was one of the directors, I’d be like, “Guys, have fun. Try to make the breakaway, you know, enjoy these last couple stages. There’s absolutely no pressure.” And look what happens when a guy third week in the tour feels good. I mean, no pressure. He just goes for it. and wins, you know, an incredibly uh hard stage. And think like their superstar crack leaves with pneumonia. Matthew Vanderbolt, Yasper Phillips, who won the first stage of this race is gone and they’re still winning. Like it’s unbelievable. And maybe Uno X has a smaller budget maybe, but Alpison is a very mid-table budget team and they’re schooling other teams at this race. And I don’t I don’t know if that’s a fair uh comparison because Unoax did win a stage and they were always very uh you know present amongst during the hardest stages of the race. I also think for being a smaller budget team they had an incredible tour to France. No, I think I I don’t Yeah, I don’t think I think Yeah, I’m just saying I’m saying maybe might have a smaller budget than a similar story. Uh not three stage wins, maybe a smaller budget, but came in with tons of heart and fight. I mean, when you’re the organizer of the tour and you’re you’re selecting, you’re down to picking these whatever you call them, lottery picks or just these extra teams. I mean, you want a team like UNOX is going to come in and animate the race. It’s interesting because had Phillips not crashed, we would have anticipated him challenging for Green if not leading that competition and maybe won a couple more stages as well. Yeah. And Hayden wouldn’t have been in a position to win that stage had he still been in the race. So it’s really good how they’ve kind of re-calibrated re, you know, re set their goals and and someone like him’s come up in the third week and won a stage. Yeah. Yeah. I actually interviewed for a job at Alpison in the last few years. Didn’t get it obviously or the team? Yeah. Shampoo company, but I just was super impressed. What was the role there? I don’t think I can I don’t think I can talk about it. Yeah. Rider. It was a rare rider mechanic double role. They’re trying to save some money, but I was pretty impressed with like the level of sophistication behind the scenes. And they they really try to avoid like mid mids salary writers that don’t produce. like either you’re a winner and you’re getting paid or you’re a random uh Belgian cross rider who’s super strong and once you get that second contract they let you go and just bring on a new guy who nobody knows and they don’t pay you very much but you produce at a very high level they also don’t what what don’t they have they have no GC right now and it’s a very smart move I think yeah I agree I mean you have a you have a star like Matthew Vanderpool people rise to that occasion right so you can you can get away with. I I would I would make the case and I think I’m right. If you don’t have a Vanderpool, these guys don’t elevate themselves and and and go on to uh to be sought out by other teams. Like people want to perform for him. Yeah. And let’s let’s be real here. I mean, the guys that are on lower salaries, I mean, this is some of the some of the most gratifying thing to do is to work for a guy like Matthew Veniple and Philips and win stages. even though they’re not making the kind of money they are, they will base their whole career upon it upon those victories and be super proud of being part of that team. They’ve also slowly replaced Quickstep over the years as as the finding young talent, haven’t they? Yeah, they’re eating like basically the the pool the talent pool that Quickstep used to get. Yeah, it does feel like Quickstep 2.0 in a way cuz Quickep it just doesn’t look and feel the same. And that’s been helped by Vanderpole stay loyal to that team for so many years. That is the the number one reason by a factor of like 10. I mean, that was always the question, right? This kid was coming up. Obviously, he has the he has the DNA to be a champion. Um, but I think people always thought he would leave and he never, you know, he stayed loyal to the team, stayed loyal to Canyon. Um, he’s got a good thing going. Canyon helped a lot. Canyon helped. Canyon was super involved in that. But this these two brothers that run it, Kristoff Rutof is the sporting side. Like he was the guy in the car talking to Kaden Groves. Like, this is like one of the most intense people you’ve ever met. And I I would guess Vanderpull’s like this is a winning culture. Like I’m not gonna take a big paycheck to go to we can fill in the teams, right, that you might go to and never win again and just like stayed with like the winning culture. And I think that goes a long way. Yeah. And it’s, you know, a race like this is contagious, right? You get into the third week, oh, these 14 teams, I mean, look, if we could just have a vibe check in the team bus between Alpison and FDJ, I mean, one of them is a wedding, one of them’s a funeral. It just is right. And and that that vibe is they are Kaitton Gross felt that vibe today. He’s like, I’m going to go out here. Let’s give it a give it a whirl. Nothing to lose. I would almost guess the vibe is probably still more buttoned up in the Alpison bus. Like no matter how much success they have, it’s still very serious. We would change that. Yeah. Uh talked a little bit about tomorrow’s stage. Uh let’s have a look. This is the profile. You you’ll see it if you’re watching the show. You’ll see it on this profile. This this is very different, right? Uh short stage 132 km uh five categorized climbs. But the but the thing is I think to me there’s two things, right? There is there there’s this nod to the Olympic circuit climate up to MAR. Um but the rain is in the forecast. Like this is Johan and I went out and rode previewed the Olympic course last year and it was not raining. Uh this is a tricky circuit, right? It’s it’s narrow. It’s cobbled. It’s in the middle of a one of the biggest cities in the world. Bradley, you brought it up on commercial break. Do do the is this the kind of stage that if it is that if it is raining like today on that circuit, my friends, you may as well be watching Olympic ice skating, it’s going to be terrifying. Well, is it 5K from the last summit to the finish? Let’s have another look. Yeah, let’s have another look. So, I mean 6K, you know, I I will say downhill historically. I know back in our day we would not have raced till after that uh green uh jersey sprint after 75k. I think I think the capos of the pelaton will most likely come together and say guys come on we’re 3 weeks in. Let’s start the racing with three laps to go in my opinion. I don’t think they do that anymore. I I agree it it’s it can go either way but I’m just saying back in our day that’s what would have happened. They would not have started racing till 75 well kilometer 75. Maybe go for the bonus sprint if they had to. And then uh game on race in in you know in any other year with someone like Garin Thomas it’s his last tour. You’d let him roll across the line, wouldn’t you? Correct. First entry, first passage through. Could could do, you know, but wouldn’t they do that now? Well, remains to be seen, doesn’t it, with the different circuits this year. We’ll see what this weather does. Yeah, different circuits and like you said, 14 teams without a win. So, it’s depending on what their directors are saying. Like, no, you guys are not parading into the first part of this race. Like, you’re getting in the breakaway. We hope well for that doesn’t happen and for those 14 teams they are liking this stage if it’s if it’s the traditional run into Paris Trek is going okay let’s set this up for Jonathan Milan let him win in Paris in green I don’t think that’s going to be the case here in 2025 there there is a chance for uh these 14 suckers to finally get I wouldn’t kayen groves man coming into either you you remember coming into Paris anytime it rains how slick it is it’s horrible And that’s when it’s that’s when it’s flat on the Shanley. Now granted, Shan Le gets a lot more traffic than than than it does up the mart, but this is an urban environment. You rode the course last year, right? Super tight and nasty. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz the old um running the Ruda River is it in the running to the Plaster Concord. That used to be the whole width of the road. Y and now there’s bus lanes in there and furniture. So now you’ve got basically bike lanes. Yeah. Fun fact, Paris is one of the most bike friendly uh major cities in the world. Mayor there went in and and completely much to the chagrin of the locals just uh made it a bike town. It’s pretty incredible. It’s really incredible to ride a bike. The only time I’ve ridden one of those those city bikes. Yeah, these city bike lime or whatever. And uh I was you see these people riding these things like what what are you doing? Right. Scooters, bike rental. And uh anyhow, we were there. My son was in culinary school. So, we were visiting and I was like, “Dude, this is cool.” We were rent app. Yeah. Riding around. They’re electric, which it’s a great way to see the city. So, the second half of this show is Paris by bike. We go through each. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Uh, by the way, too, while we got you, of course, um, we did have a stage. I’m in stage today. Also, here in a couple hours, we have the first stage of the Tour to Friends Fam of Egg Swift. I’ll be joined by Mari Holden and hopefully it’s not raining for their start of the tour. Britney, I mean, so we have we have I have a double day today and tomorrow. I’m going kick these guys out of here unless double day means translation. Lance can be even more crankier than he’s been all every Bradley back me up right here. Professor, back me up. Everything we have said today, Mr. Hinkapy said, you know what? I have to disagree with that. So, who is the cranky one? Today’s show, as I said at the top, presented by Ketone IQ. Two options here, right? You If that hat I’m I don’t know how I thought of that. If that hat doesn’t show up tomorrow for final stage. All right, Bradley, let me ask you a question. Who else could sit in that seat? Are you thinking of anybody else for 2026? Ouch. He’s part of the fire. He’s talked about the hat. This is People want the hat. People are expecting hat. It’s the sexiest man on on on the desk of pressure and the hat. I’m telling you, if it doesn’t come tomorrow, okay, we are going to put Bobby Julick in that seat. Bobby would be great. I’m not going to hate on Bobby. He might be busy though. And he would agree with us more. Robbie Venture. Bobb’s going to be Who else? Let’s have fun with this. Who else could we put there? Um, well, I mean, Mark Cavendish. He’d be good. Yeah. You know, man, you know I’m messing with you. He’s so sensitive. Look at He’s getting sad. He’s so sad. No, no, I would be I would be sad to miss you guys. That’s for sure. Uh I I got a question on email that I am not even going to venture to read. It was just insane. I was It was nice. Kind of. I already deleted it. So, you’re going to read it or you No, I deleted it. So, I read it to y’all while we were watching the race. I I don’t know where we’re going with this one. He was I was like I think it was a hater turned follower. Had a lot of big words. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I tried to read that on here, I mean, we’d be nobody would ever listen again. Like, this kid can’t even read. Um, however, we probably have other questions. What should we do? Vintage. Let me ask you a question, professor. Yeah. Um, you know, cuz these other shows, whether it’s a radio show or Howard Stern, um, other shows, podcasts, stuff like this, right? People call in. How come we can’t have people Can we have people call in? How would Colton can we have people call in live? I don’t know if that’s a good It’s not a question for you. Colton, can we have people Dave? Can we have people call in live? We could. I think All right, folks. Somebody call in right now. Not with your No, no, no. We’re not. Here’s George’s phone number. What’s that, Eric? You guys would get the weirdest Actually, you could call FaceTime George. Everybody ready? Write this down. Oh, man. 86. What is it? Yep. That was close. uh questions. But I do want I I I would love it if people Don’t you think that’d be cool if people called in? People could send voice notes in. No, I want them to call in. And it’s better when they call. Who cares? This is the move. We don’t care. We’re live. We have made it this far. 2026. People are calling in. All you would get is questions about the conical visits. That’s literally all people would be asking you about. All right. Um should we do Ventum trivia before questions? Um shoot. Yeah, because yesterday’s question was kind of All right, I think we need to give uh Kaden the boomstick. Yeah, I think so. Incredibly impressive. Needs the boom stick. Kaden Groves boomstick boomstick. Kaden Groves 10 grand tour victories. That That’s impressive. More than Julian Alipe and Rimco have a pole. It’s impressive. That that that frames it. Uh yesterday’s question. The final kilometers of the difficult Lla. Uh there was another uh historic alpine sporting venue, right? The answer to that was the 1 and a half km laa Olympic bob slay track. H Now that’s a sport. Yeah. I wouldn’t want to do the one where you go uh by yourself face down face like on your belly. I’m out on that. But I like the thing where you jump in the little rocket and the guy you push it and the guy I would 100% sit in the back of that. Like you get one of those those those East German dudes just ripping that. I would 100% do that. I would. I don’t know if that’s what they passed. What’s bob sleigh? That’s not the thing on your face. Skeleton skeleton. Skeleton is what a name for a sport. Hey son, you should try this sport. All right. Uh, stage 20 question. Marking its 50th anniversary since it first appeared as the final stage of the tour to France. The Shamsa is arguably the most iconic stage of the tour. With four wins over his storied career, Sir Mark Cavendish currently holds the record for wins here. In what years did he win? Send your answers to ventumraising.com/themove. Get you five grand registered. Yeah, everybody’s like, “God, that registers you to win five grand.” All right, Mark Cavendish has four um wins in Paris. What four years were those? Not easy to don’t do it, but that’s not easy to do off the top of your head. That’s that’s a tricky little question. I bet you could do it. Say nothing. Say nothing. Yeah. All right. This by the way, say that was a great Did you Did you watch it? Did you start it? The the Say Nothing um series on on Hulu about the IRA and the history of it. Best show of the year. I I had George watch it. It’s dark. It’s real. It makes you think. Yeah. Yeah. I uh uh have I caught y’all up on my this Bob my um my my crush on Bob Gildoff. So I watched the second part of this live a thing. This this Bob Gildoff, what a what a what a guy. Uh incredible. And then uh because I love documentaries. We’re going to get to the question in a second. Um, I started the Billy Joel documentary, right? I love music. Uh, that is an incred You talk about a complicated guy. Boy, I watched the first half of the Arnold documentary last amazing. It’s unbelievable. No, the Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary. Unbelievable. Yep. Yep. No, he’s You know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know what he is? He’s very smart. He’s incredibly smart. You’re talking This guy’s lived a hundred lives. M U. But Billy Joel, check it. Bob Gildoff. Maybe Bob Gildoff will call in in 2026. Maybe he’s in the third chair. I I I tried to drop that. I mean, the man the man was George was jumping on it. He started crying almost as much as some of these guys in the tour cry these days. A big fan of that, brother. Well, it’s the emotion of winning a stage in the tour, isn’t it? Yep. I agree. I agree, man. Winning solo like that today, sprinter, I I can understand the emotion. I think it speaks to how effed everybody is. Yeah, they’re just emotional. You know the theory, didn’t you? Okay, good question. Not only that, but the risk they took throughout today’s stage. I mean, you just been on the limit since stage one, like physically and emotionally. All right, this is kind of a negative question, but I do want to hear you guys’ answer. What a kicker. So it’s from Thomas Tomas Benjamin Tomas maybe. Does Jonas Vinegard lack the racing toughness to compete against Tad A just to he has beat him twice. He only rides a handful of selected races where Pagachar is at the start all year round and never shies away from a fight. Racing and training are not the same. Not even for the best racers in the world. I’d love to hear your opinion on this. Yeah, I mean you know what Yonas I think now there’s he’s come to a point he’s won two tours. you know, whether he wins another one or not, he’s come up against the greatest rider of all time. I’d like to see him go for things like Le Baston Lege. Me, too. Um cuz there’s so many other races on world world title on the right course. He could win. Um he could win this year. And other grand tours. I mean, the Jirro Walter. Yeah, I think uh they might have to rewrite their playbook. Um but that said, if you go back to this year of France, I mean, Dionis had two bad days and that’s where he lost the majority of those four minutes. Other than that, aside from the sprints at the end, he was right there with Pogachar um and Super Equal. So, I think they’re gonna, you know, go back to the drawing board, look at those performances and say maybe he does more racing next year to get that little extra pop for the finishes. But, um yeah, they got to change it up somehow. With Yonas as well, he the last two years he’s had accidents early in the season which have hampered his preparation which Taday hasn’t had also. Yeah. you know, so these things swing around the wrist two years ago that he was able to come back from um but George, you know, you’re right about the time losses in those two days, but let’s not forget and I we don’t know, we’re not privy to the training data and and what is the power he’s producing, but by all accounts, this kid’s in zone two, zone three, winning the tour to France. Yeah, it might be on equal time. Go push him, right? Think the times are good now? give a little p I mean this is um and and I’m with you Bradley I mean you look too bad right you came across the goat right and there’s nothing that anybody can do but I also think if you put them on zero time with a week to go tad is a mean animal and I still think he beats him absolutely yeah I think they just have to retool they you have to like adjust to tad existing like maybe let’s do the Jirro or the Well, that’s adjusting by avoiding. Yeah, that there’s nothing wrong with that. Like, just avoid this guy. He’s too good. Well, that’s a shame, right? And that’s that’s not No, no major professional sport wants that to be one of the commentaries. Well, that’s I wouldn’t say avoid him. I would say do the same races in him early season. Turn up a peri of Flanders. Well, Jonas can’t do Perge. Why not? the Ardens. I think that’d be do the Ardens. Yeah. And be successful there for sure. You look what the best are doing and you you copy them. Ardens Tour. I would like to see him target that. Yeah. Um but Bradley mentioned this yesterday. Let’s just say like uh Tad is like a barista Ljubljana. Never races a bike. Jonas is on his fifth tour win. Yeah. Going for seven probably eventually. Like you do kind of forget like TAD is like a eclipsing everything but you forget how good Yonas is. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s another kind of negative question. But what is going on rain with the negativity? This is something that I get a lot of feedback. Is someone pulling out the the negative questions. The other ones are all just about how George met his wife with Wow. And Yonas. Can you talk about that or is that not legal? I can talk about Wait a minute. Why would it not be legal? Please. Yeah. With wild and and Yonas now bouncing. Let me tell Let me tell you a cute story. So George slips his wife Mel a note at the tour. She’s not allowed, right? It’s not allowed, right? But that that’s neither here. There was a lot of stuff in that day. She was a podium that was also not allowed. However, uh uh uh uh the man kept the note or she kept it’s framed in the house, isn’t it? It’s framed. It is. It’s framed. Yeah. I mean, come on, people. Husbands, wives, risk. who has the note risking his career to pass the note. No, not his career, her career. And she actually she actually kind of blew me off and didn’t want to give me her number, but her driver was a fan of the team and he gave me the number. So the note is my note, her response, her denial response, and then in different color pen was the phone number that he wrote. So kind of funny story. Wow. Yep. Shout out to the driver. Yeah, that’s right. John Luke. Gez, I didn’t know that. That was interesting. Um, and this is coming. I I do have children and they have drained my life force. So, just want to frame the question with that. With W and Yonas now balancing family life while Matthew and Tad remain more singularly focused on racing. I don’t believe Matthew and Tad have children, just for the record. Could this influence performance or longevity? And if Wout and Yonas continue their current streak and avoiding injury and crashes, could we see them make a comeback in 2026 or their kids basically ruining their careers? How are you pulling this? Yeah, I know. We’re not even going to answer that. This is Does it affect you as a pro when you have kids? I think when you have small kids, it actually re reinvigorates your motivation in lots of ways. Perhaps maybe your risk tolerance comes down a bit because I think that’s right. You think about others as opposed to just yourself. There’s a lot of different sense of responsibility goes up for field sprinters. I mean for these true sprinters that are risking their risking their lives uh many days. Um for sure you start getting a couple kids and you know what it’s feel like to get home from a race, pick them up, play around, jump on the trampoline, wrestle, whatever. Yeah. You start going into a field sprint and saying, “I’m not going to hit my brakes.” Well, you start hitting them a little earlier. But how many wins did Kev have? He had kids really early in his career. This He is an anomaly. Yeah, he’s a freak of nature. Yeah, I no disrespect to Cav’s kids, but um he didn’t care. He was he was he’s a he was a winner. I also think people like Watt Venard probably is not waking up in the middle of the night feeding the kids. Like these people their job is to be rested and they have more money than a normal person. They probably can hire help and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Was that it? That’s it. That was We got to do better. This is why we need people calling in. Let’s get some positive question. I can’t imagine. We can have somebody screening the call. Dear ma’am, uh we don’t What do you want to ask about? What do you want to ask? Better questions than is well than not breastfeeding his children. That’d be a good question. That needs an answer. Come on. Anyways, uh we will be back tomorrow for uh last what’s shape. It is the last stage. Not your typical last stage. Shaping up to be interesting. I’m curious. It will. We’re there. We made it through the tour anyway. We made it through the tour. Um, well, not yet. We shouldn’t. We’re nearly there. Yeah. Um, cool. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll see you tomorrow.