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what is the tarot we can try to approach the original identity of the tarot by specifying what it is not the tarot is not an oracle the practice of divination only became established late in the history of the tarot at the end of the 18th century approximately, more than three centuries after its birth which means that for three centuries the tarot was used as a non-divinatory object certainly a soothsayer today can do divination with the tarot no problem as with any other object that it would inspire moreover the coffee grounds the shape of the clouds the lines of the hand a crystal ball but it is not because a clairvoyant can use the tarot to predict the future that we must conclude that the tarot is an oracle the tarot is not a treatise on astrology either it is enough to be convinced of this to consult the treatises on astrology of the Renaissance like Desfaera for example we then realize that the tarot is not of that kind on the other hand we find European astrology in the tarot this point seems acquired but it is not because there is astrology in the tarot that we can conclude that the tarot is a treatise on astrology the tarot is not a numerological system either to convince oneself of this it is enough to refer to what were the ancient numerological systems such as Hebrew gematria for example or Pythagorean arrhythmancy we then realize that the tarot is not of that kind either on the other hand we find a little symbolism of numbers in the tarot this point seems acquired but it is not because there is a little symbolism of numbers in the tarot that we could conclude that the tarot is a numerological system in the same way the tarot is not a treatise on alchemy it is enough to convince oneself of this to take note of the alchemy treatises of the Middle Ages and the Renaissance like Aurora Consurgence for example we then realize that the tarot is not of this kind on the other hand we find a little of the spirit of Christian alchemy in the tarot this point seems acquired but it is not because we find a little of the spirit of Christian alchemy in the tarot that we can conclude that the tarot is a treatise on alchemy the tarot is not an illustrated collection of Greco-Roman myths it is enough to convince oneself to contemplate the mythological pictorial works that the Hellenistic and Latin cultures left behind we then realize that the tarot is not of this kind on the other hand we find evocations of Greco-Roman mythology in the tarot this point by acquired but it is not because we find evocations of Greco-Roman mythology in the tarot that we can conclude that the tarot is an illustrated collection of myths Greco-Romans the tarot is obviously not a figurative system originating from Pharaonic Egypt it is enough to convince oneself to examine the figurative systems of this civilization hieroglyphic writing for example we then realize that the tarot is not of this kind on the other hand it includes an illustration of at most which is possibly inspired by Egyptian mythology this point seems acquired but it is not because there are one or two illustrations of Egyptian inspiration in the tarot that we can conclude that the tarot is a figurative system originating from Pharaonic Egypt the tarot is resolutely not a timeless sacred relic which would contain all the knowledge of the world the keys to the universe the treasures of humanity or even the secrets of eternal life as we can sometimes hear here and there in the course of a conference a book an advertisement the tarot is not either a universal work containing a part of the wisdom of each people and delivering a message addressed to each people in return no on the contrary the tarot is a limited temporal work conditioned finished the tarot has an origin and a date of birth it is completely imbued with the culture which it saw born the tarot is a son of its time as of its native land and its creators although unknown for the moment also belonged to the century which was theirs because the tarot was born in the north of Italy in the 15th century of our era at the beginning of the first renaissance in the country of the holy apostolic and roman catholic church Italia And yet despite this the tarot is not a Christian liturgical book either it is enough to convince oneself to look at a clerical brevier a secular book of hours or even a missal of the classical middle ages one realizes then that the tarot is not of this kind on the other hand there is a lot of Christian iconography in the tarot this point seems acquired but it is not because there are many Christian icons in the tarot that one can conclude that the tarot is a Christian liturgical book and then if the tarot is neither an oracle nor a treatise of astrology nor a numerological system nor a treatise of alchemy nor an Egyptian figurative system nor an illustrated collection of Greco-Roman myths nor a universal timeless sacred relic nor a Christian liturgical book which is therefore the tarot the tarot is a card game a deck of cards to raise like the shadow bridge or belote a card game whose original purpose was to amuse the one who plays with it like all other card games of chance and society a card game from the Italian Renaissance which is played with a special pack of 78 cards and no longer just 52 a card game in the main specificity much more important than the fact that these numerical sequences include 14 cards instead of 13 and to offer a richly illustrated sequence of trumps unique and original these famous major arcana as they were baptized by the occultists of the 19th century triumphs in fact trumps 22 triumphs 22 trumps this is what 22 cards were beyond the precise role that this sequence of 22 trumps plays in a game of classic tarot it offers about twenty allegorical images metaphorical archetypal symbolism which offers to the gaze of the one who contemplates them a very strange carnival triumphal chariot led by a skeleton army commander equipped with a scythe wheel around which revolve beings half-man half-beast mad pilgrim flanked by a small merchant dog eyes to the sky sun with a human face warming two boys in short pants who embrace or fight in front of a wall dance these images which come to us from another age seem to have a message to deliver to us seem to have a message that should be deciphered on closer inspection it seems obvious that this sequence of trumps represents in itself a system of representation of the world moreover is this not what is indicated in this regard by the rare historical sources that we have in our possession open the quotation marks the oldest known document describing a list of the 22 trumps of the tarot is a manuscript from the end of the 15th century informs us the historian Isabelle Nadolni in her book History of the Tarot or the compiler of this 10 manuscripts explains the following thing open the second quotation marks there are in fact in the tarot 21 triumphs which are the 21 degrees of another scale which sends into the depths of hell thus like many other works of the Renaissance the suit of trumps of the tarot if we take it apart could be seen as a system of representation of the humanist world a system of the world which wishes to make the synthesis between traditional Catholicism on one side and the classical Greco-Roman humanities on the other a system of the world which tried to make work together the great sciences of its time theology and astrology a system of the world which by the 22 images of its suit of trumps illustrated the classical theme of the ascension of the soul thus offering a second goal to the players who practice cultivating virtue to reach heaven a virtue both religious Christian and philosophical pagan in conclusion of this introduction we could say that the tarot is a card game but it is not just a card game it is a card game whose initial functions were to times playful didactic and philosophical in the centuries following its birth were added the divinatory psychological therapeutic functions that we know today if I had to lend myself to the game of a definition of the tarot which would be complete I would undoubtedly propose the following definition the tarot is a game of 78 cards whose main specificity is to include an additional sequence of 22 permanent trumps including 21 triumph and a special trump which is not really a triumph the fool also called the checkmate to all special which is worthless in the game of tarot since it does not allow any player to make a trick a trick but which can be used as an excuse not to play to pass his turn and which earns additional points at the end of a game to the player who kept it therefore to all special the fool in addition the 22 images of the sequence of trumps of the tarot are all allegories which constitute a system of representation of the world modeled both on the Christian model of the ascension of the soul and on the ancient model of the hero’s quest representation of the trials of the soul incarnated on earth falling to hell then rising towards God at the whim of a celestial ascension thus originally the tarot is a card game but which cannot be reduced to its playful aspect a special card game therefore particular since it undoubtedly had a double function from the beginning to amuse and instruct instruct by amusing the creed of reborn humanism friends good evening to all good evening to all I am Simon Ferandou the founder of the school of realistic tarot an online tarot school which provides courses on the study of tarot which provides courses on the practice of tarot through draws the school of realistic tarot was founded in 2023 we will celebrate these 2 years in a month and you will be invited to the online YouTube live that I will give for the 2nd anniversary of this realistic voice of the tarot I am a practicing tarotist author researcher in independent and I I am a student at the school of tarot and as you have seen from this introduction my hobby horse and what I propose to you, the interested public, is to bring tarot into the field of art history, to bring tarot into the field of science, to make it in fact a scientific object, an observable object, understandable, palpable. What I propose to you concerning the study of tarot is to realize that for 40 years historians, academics, independent researchers have updated a large amount of objective knowledge on the object that concerns us, the tarot, the tarot of Marseille and I am here for that tonight to answer your questions so why am I doing this live and well the reason is very simple I will continue to share some notions with you and then I will start to answer the most frequent questions from Internet users and then if you have any questions live in the chat and well I will take them and for those who are watching this video in replay and well if you have any questions put them in the comments and I will try to answer them as much as possible do it if possible if I know the answer otherwise I will refer you to other resources better informed than me so I told you why I am doing this live tonight and well I will tell you right away the reason for some time and know that I am interested in everything that my colleagues do whether they are clairvoyant tarot reader in psychological therapy whatever in fact their practice of tarot the diviners the psychoanalysts who use tarot cards I listen to them all I am interested in your work all and I will listen to you if you are there tonight dear friends tarot readers in my spare time at night when I can’t sleep or when I have 1 hour between and 2 I will connect to your lives on your YouTube channels on your moments of sharing I listen to everything that you do everything that you say because I am really passionate about all forms of tarot and I have noticed for some time that in your lives dear friends because you have made some more than me on YouTube for the moment I went through other vectors until now and well I realized that your audience in fact more and more was asking you questions about the historical tarot I was able to realize on different occasions and it struck me a lot because for me it’s my niche eh the realistic voice of the tarot it’s that studying the tarot in its historical social cultural philosophical political context to be able to understand its symbols according to the original matrix in fact of the designers of the tarot and not according to our view in the 21st century which is necessarily anachronistic so for me it’s my hobby and when I see your audience who comes to you to ask you “Yes but what do you think of such historical aspect of the tarot where was the tarot born do you have things to tell us in relation to the major minor arcana why the hermit has an H and so on questions that we will see this evening and well I can observe that sometimes you do not really know how to answer them and yes because each one has its niche and in general very few tarot readers come to tarology through the historical and even less scientific aspect of the tarot so sometimes I see that you do not really know how to answer this type of question which is not necessarily in your niche on the other hand for me it gave me some information I think but in any case that I I think I understand which is the following which is that the public demand the demand for understanding the tarot as it has been in history through the centuries is growing in truth and I think that it is quite normal since the advent of the Internet and well the whole history of the tarot which had been done by academics historians and independents for 20 years see 20 years and well it was a little hidden it was not disseminated and suddenly since the Internet this research the history of the tarot is disseminated much more and so the Internet users in fact who are very curious and well hear a lot of things everything and its opposite in general but they hear talk of a tarot which was born in Italy they hear they hear talk about another side of the Neoplatonic school of Marcil Fissin in Florence and then and then often I also see that people are a little mixed up because they hear anything and everything I myself have students who say to me “But if you say that and then someone else says that and then someone else says that” well how can we finally know who what good tarot enthusiasts are sometimes a little lost that’s the reason for this live tonight I will do them from now on quite regularly it will be that’s a type of meeting with you of course if you are interested I propose to make myself available certain times in the year to be able to answer your questions which are precisely of this order of technical order of historical order and then to popularize to you in fact also with you what is happening in contemporary tarot research and to refer you to sources other than me which are absolutely substantial and considerable to be able to understand the tarot and the tarot of Marseille eh and then I propose to make myself also available for to be able to explain to you when I can notions that may seem difficult or questions like this but if you say that and another says that how can we I don’t know what good here I can very well sort out all that a little by making you suggestions that is the purpose of this live tonight as I prepared it I filled in fact I prepared a list of questions which are really the questions that the Internet users and some of my students ask me most frequently but they are also questions that I will answer this evening that I saw dear friends tarot readers dear colleagues and dear sisters in your own live questions which generally remained unanswered because you did not know how to approach the question too much or you offered an answer of your own and I will offer answers of my own also which will come to complete so here it is a little bit in mix these questions I prepared this list I am going to unroll it I am going to tell you a little the questions that we hear most often on the tarot I am going to start with 5 chosen questions eh it will be enough for this evening after we will see for the other lives there will already be enough material and then as I told you if you have questions at the same time which come to you put them in the chat if I send I take them and I answer them improvised way for those who see in replay you put your questions in the comments and I make an answer if I am able to formulate an answer otherwise I refer you to better informed than me for all those who will want to go further than the theory of this evening because I am going to suggest that you tackle this evening the study of the tarot in the theoretical part but I am also a practitioner I do tarot readings I use the tarot not in divination but in personal work personal development self-construction so all those who want to go further you will find from the start in the chat at the very top a link to a practical tarot drawing workshop that I created for the occasion in which you can participate so register for this workshop which will take place next Thursday next week if you want us to work on the symbolism of the cards together but in the context of the practice which is completely different for me I really make the difference between the two and I will have the opportunity to talk to you about it again but the practical workshop that I will offer you will be a drawing specifically based on the work of our relationship to the world and to others so really interesting I won’t tell you more you will discover for those who who who will want to participate in this workshop you will find once again the link to the ticket office in the chat of this YouTube live next Thursday I think Thursday July 3 if I’m not mistaken about the date for all for all those who also want to subscribe to my newsletter you also have the link just below that of the ticket office you can subscribe to my newsletter to receive monthly news and then of course subscribe to my YouTube page to my channel if you want to regularly have access to content and so on and then be able to get in touch with me during moments like that, improvised, spontaneous, it’s really nice subscribe to the channel put a comment and a like it’s always welcome it actually supports me my project the animation of this channel everything that I undertake and and of which I deliver and share a part in fact in free access like that on my social networks you will also find me on Facebook on Instagram and uh you will also have a link to my site a link link that you can consult I do online training on the history of the tarot and on a specific theme a tarot theme called the gyrogram and training courses will soon start again from September so there you go if all this interests you you can work on it online throughout the year with me and finally this summer I will do summer universities with the school of realistic tarot and so for those who want to participate subscribe to my newsletter or send me your contact details or your email and I can send you the information on all this there friends the introduction is over I’m going to drink a glass of water blow and immediately after I take a first question and I start to try to answer it is the tarot of Marseille the original tarot ah there there this question this question is a question that I see a lot and which is declined in different sauces I observe certain tarot readers who work with tarots which were created in the modern air but which it seems are restored tarots of the oldest tarots of Marseille for example and so I often see the students of these tarot readers who suddenly consider and then these tarot readers themselves who consider that this tarot which is a restored tarot of the tarot of Marseille original and well so it’s the original tarot there is this variation there this configuration I also see a lot of people passionate about tarot who in fact do not make a distinction between tarot and tarot of Marseille they think or they consider that the tarot of Marseille is the tarot no the tarot of Marseille it is only one iconographic style among many there are many different iconographic styles in the tarots over 6 centuries of history since as you heard in the introduction today we know the date of birth of the tarot with great precision for the moment the tarot was born around 1435-139 probably in the city of Florence but in any case in the north of Italy so we are in the middle of the 15th century and uh this tarot is not the tarot of Marseille the tarot appears in Italy in an iconographic style very very quickly there are several iconographic styles which stand out and which distinguish themselves since there are tarots which are made to order for high dignitaries for princes for aristocrats and tarots right away also he of low quality with a more modest iconography of economic tarots so there are different iconographies also depending on the cities already just in Italy when the tarot was not even imported yet so the tarot already when it appears uh we can not speak of tarot of Marseille that comes centuries later the tarot of Marseille is a particular iconographic style which has Italian roots also undoubtedly Milanese and which passing through the city of Lyon was introduced in France it is therefore from the 17th century for the moment from what we can trace appears the iconographic style tarot of Marseille which is a unique style that you know that we love that I love which can have several qualifiers to define it well it is a naive style I am speaking artistically speaking it is not a criticism well it is roughly how it is often defined still on the art market Today the style of the Tarot of Marseille is a rather naive style and so the Tarot of Marseille you see that well if it appears in the 17th century this iconographic style uh we can’t say that it is the original tarot since the tarot was born centuries before in Italy you understand so that is already a very important distinction that we must be able to make it is the objective study of the tarot and the history of the tarot which allows us to understand this type of notion in this way obviously there are resources eh that I will show you perhaps this evening that you can obtain we have a playing card expert Thierry de Police in France who is a world leader who for example published the Tarot Revealed in 2013 this book traces the entire history of the tarot currently known to have in your library when you want to try to understand what is happening with this work the historian once again French and archivist at the National Library of France Isabelle Nadolni has produced this magnificent work both technical and popularization very easy to read and at the same time history of the tarot it is complete eh it was published in 2018 you have to have this in your library otherwise if we do not have this type of resources and we have not read them and we know how much as vast is our reading of the esoteric and occult tarot and these readings we cannot understand what I have just told you there from the start we cannot properly assimilate that the tarot of Marseille is only one iconographic style among dozens or even hundreds of others and that the tarot in itself is not it is not reduced to the tarot of Marseille you see so that also means what I have just said which is sourced in these works of historian if if you want to refer to it eh it necessarily means that whatever the tarot of Marseille restored even if it is the original tarot of Marseille well we are still not in the original tarot at best with a tarot of Marseille restored which would be the tarot the first Marseille tarot in history let’s admit we find it and we restore it at best with that we would have a tarot uh two centuries old compared to the real original tarot you understand me in my work and that’s what I offer to my students in my training I’m really interested in the tarot for the original shot but that we don’t know but that we try not to restore because we don’t have it but to reconstruct eh roughly how it could have been you see really I’m interested in the tarot as it appeared or as it must have appeared probably in 1435 1439 in Florence or Bologna in this type of Italian city what was this tarot what images what trump figures what were roughly the rules had it changed a lot with the rules of the game than the current tarot et cetera et cetera so here is this question that I often see which is thorny oh is the tarot of Marseille the original tarot is there an original tarot et cetera yes of course it has There was an original tarot there is one person or several who were in history the authors and inventors of the tarot and one day perhaps we will know them this is the case with other games almost from the same period in the history of the Italian Renaissance and we ended up finding the treatises of the creators of these card games and suddenly we know and the author and the intention of the author and the why and how of the symbols and I am thinking for example of the Prototarot commented by Ros Ros Caldwell a Milanese prototarot which was created around 1412 1415 by an Italian humanist that we know who made it to order and who wrote a treatise that goes with his deck of cards so perhaps one day we will also find the treatise of the creator of the tarot it is not at all excluded or perhaps we will never find it but we must imagine that it is a human work it was not received by God like the Koran or the Bible for believers no the tarot is an invention eh to translate the Latin of the time invention the Italians said it is an invention it was created and so it was a card game as I described it to you with an allegorical sequence of trumps which is in itself a system of the world representation of the ascension of the soul what so there was an original tarot which is not the tarot of Marseille at all in iconographic terms which was undoubtedly extremely different but little by little over six centuries of history the tarot evolved it crossed the borders eh roscaldel the historian of the tarot that I spoke to you about in this book moreover published a map of the expansion of the tarot since its birth and we can see clearly on this map how the tarot spread throughout the world eh it was born first in the north of Italy then very quickly it went down to the south as far as Sicily then then it went back up it crossed the borders by Lyon it arrived in France the first Marseille tarot cards are from Lyon, eh, what a connection with the city of Marseille, then well, Switzerland, later still, Germany, there are countries where the tarot did not manage to enter in its early days, it stopped a little at the borders of England, a little at the borders of Spain, there were competitive games that were stronger, so the Spanish and the English did not want the tarot, it was not imported, it arrived much later in the modern era, in the industrial era, you see, this whole story is traced in the books that I showed you, and it is with this type of resources that we can begin to unravel everything we hear about the tarot and, above all, to acquire objective knowledge, and if you are interested in my approach and the training courses that I offer, that is in fact what I want to do when I transmit something to you, it is like an object that you can take in hand, it is just as tangible, objective knowledge, that means that if you go to consult another tarot reader who is interested in the history of tarot it will be the same knowledge that he will have in his hands if he is aware of it or if I am aware of the same things as him if everyone follows the research that’s how science normally works it’s like mathematical language which is truly universal for example a Japanese person doesn’t have a different mathematical language today than an American with the same tangible object they do science and research and well I see tarot in this way I try to transmit knowledge that is objective which normally means that all the people who are interested in the objectification of tarot are supposed to have more or less the same knowledge transmit it you see not in the same way the transmission is different depending on the personalities but transmitting the same knowledge you see and there I come back a little to my students or yours dear tarot readers I see who is also asking you “But if you say that to yourself and someone else says that how do you make the difference and so on?” This can only happen with tarot readers who are not interested in the history of tarot and therefore who are not in the transmission of objective knowledge. It is a completely different approach and everyone has their place, there is a niche for everyone, so there is no problem, but you have to know where you stand. Know that, for example, I will cite names at random. If you consult me to find out what the symbol of the drummer originally means in the 15th century in Italian tarots, the knowledge that I will transmit to you today will be the same as if you consult, for example, Andrea Vitalie in Italy. He is not of the same nationality as me. He did not arrive at the same result. He arrived at the same result as me, but not through the same research. But it is the same knowledge. In the end, the drummer will tell you that it is a symbol, and the symbol that I would have given you will be the same. It is an objective and objectifiable language, you see, and the drummer, if he has different symbols, will tell you that it is a symbol. different arologists the only way to end up with a situation like that is that these people are not in a process of objective transmission of knowledge they are in something else there are lots of different approaches and I say today in the age of the internet and now that the history of the tarot has been done even if we will never succeed but it was done in a first impulse it is important today that everyone situates themselves and positions themselves it is very important not to mislead the public and the audience and so that everyone knows in which niche they are and you see sometimes I have people who ask me questions for example in divination and then I say very well but I do not do divination why not because I discredit divination no I consider that it is a very important social role but it is because I am not a fortune teller so I say go see a good fortune teller and there maybe you will have an answer to your question on the other hand if you want answers on the study and the objective knowledge of the tarot I can you bring things that I know if I don’t know I will refer you to people who know better than me you see and if you want to practice tarot not in divination but in self-construction personal growth and everything I am here too you see a niche and you have to be aware of what we are capable of giving in which niche we are I see that several people have connected I will answer you good evening to all I am absolutely delighted to be in your company friends I have already spoken a lot everything I say must start already because I shake the coconut tree a little and that is my objective I will shake the coconut trees of the tarot in all directions as much as I can the years to come I will make videos on that I want to turn the table so if you have questions put them in the chat I see them live and I will try to answer them when I can take them dear friends so that was for the first question on the tarot of Marseille and if you did not understand ask me to re-explain the tarot it is the tarot is a game of 78 cards that is played with a special deck that appeared in Northern Italy in the 15th century and has 6 centuries of history there is only one tarot only one tarot there is no schizophrenia in the tarot on the other hand today there are different ways of interpreting the tarot and it is this plurality of voices that often loses people but the tarot has always remained the tarot and me with a tarot of Marseille I don’t even know I take the Grimau tarot the one that you all know with that I play the tarot game that is a it is a tarot game it is not an Egyptian occult divinatory oracle what do I know it is a card game and it has never changed with that the ancients played tarot that was the ancestral gesture and I play with that very well no problem you see ok very well I see that there is a first question thank you Vincent L well I think that I just answered your question can we practice magic with the tarot you ask me and well we could your question we could continue it can we do divination with the tarot can we do mediumship and communicate with the dead can we do et cetera et cetera yes obviously and no one over six centuries of history has refrained from doing it dear friends uh from the 15th century from the birth of the tarot poets were inspired by the images of the tarot to write poems some were inspired by the images to receive visions for those who are said to be visionaries in Christian culture you see some soothsayers we have a historical source in 1450 a person is described as doing divination with the tarot divination with the cards that preceded the tarot already existed a little even if it was not very widespread we do what we want with the tarot we are each free friends vincent L you are free and you do what you want h on the other hand me like others as a student of the historical tarot I cannot tell you that the tarot is a magical object do you see the difference the tarot it can be practiced by one in divination but it is not for all that it was created to make divination the tarot it is not a divinatory object originally it is a game of 78 cards which has rules which are quite close to those which we always play today even there have been some evolutions but if you learn the game of tarot which I recommend to you because that is the tarot so the card game the tarot I recommend you to learn the rules it is a wonderful game you will understand a lot of things about the tarot by playing the tarot and well this card game it was not just a card game it also had a sequence of 22 trumps which were called major arcana by the occultists of the 19th century but I encourage everyone to leave this expression which has who which doesn’t mean anything they are trumps eh they are not major arcana but I will come back to that after trumps that is to say cards we can cut at the trump because they are stronger than the others quite simply and this sequence of 22 trumps draws a system of representation of the symbolic archetypal and allegorical world and that that is it is magic and it is extraordinary and it is something unique in the history of card games so in this the tarot is a is a fabulous object historically revolutionary it is a term that I use today revolutionary there is no there is no there is no antecedent there is no precedent it is both a work of art and a magnificent intellectual conception that we still have to study to understand it well but you see I think I answered your question Vincent L tell me if it’s good we can do what we want with the tarot I have no problems with any voice Tarological all have their role and their place on the other hand to say that the tarot was created to be a magical or divinatory object that no I have a problem with that because we know today that this is not the case if we find a historical source tomorrow it’s written in black and white for example the treatise of the creator of the tarot and who writes “I did this to do magic and everything” well I will bend I will submit I will say very well but until now there is zero source on that and dear Vincent thank you very much for your question it gives me the opportunity to deliver to you to share with you the reflection of one of my students brilliant reflection we have many historical sources on religious people who criticize the tarot and who try to have it condemned because the church has always aborted and hated games of chance betting games gambling and card games the church has always hated that so from the 15th century we have religious people and we have these are historical sources who criticize the tarot and who give sermons to try to have the import and export of tarot in Italian cities condemned follow me well at no time never in any of these sources do we speak of the 15th 16th 17th 18th 19th century a religion does not attack the tarot because it is magic and it is witchcraft and it is divination never at any time it shows clearly that it was not that every time it is to say that the tarot is diabolical and evil because it is a game of chance and betting and money and that suddenly the tarot players end up putting points on the face because when there is one who does not pay his debts of money after well he gets assassinated and so on that is like today eh there is only that every time we find a new source with a religious person who criticizes the tarot in history that is it do you understand what I want to tell you there is never a religious person who says “The tarot must be condemned because it is witchcraft it is magic it is diabolical.” While besides that well there are all there are tons and tons of religious criticism of lots of things that were considered magic and witchcraft you understand but the tarot is never included in it the magical aspect Vincent L the occult aspect the esoteric aspect of the tarot it is very well dated it arrives at the end of the 18th century at the end of the 18th century and this story has been made in all the books of history of the tarot that I showed you you will have it there this story you will have it there the story of the arrival of occultism and esotericism in the tarot you will have it at Michael Dumet the greatest historian of tarot of the science of tarot an English philosopher who published the game of the tarot in 1980 he redid the whole history of the occultist tarot it is end of the 18th century at that time short of Gbelin in the lead who is a very great intellectual writes in a book the primitive world that the tarot is of Egyptian origin and that basically it is an exceptional magical oracular object which allows to return to the timeless universal sources and everything and from there as we are in full romanticism and in full Egyptophilia and Egyptomania everyone gets involved and in one generation the occultists completely forget that the tarot was in fact a card game and a symbolic game and passes completely into the occultist tarot and there is a new history which is created of which we are the heirs that is why we have difficulty unraveling all that and the history of the occult tarot and the occultist tarot it has its place today but that is not why we must be mistaken about the nature of the tarot dear friends you see yes the magic Vincent may have been coded but there is no magic in the tarot before the end of the 18th century it is the history of the tarot by the documents which show it to us hm hm I will try to see if there are other uh questions and thank you very much Vincent for your relevant question so yes you can practice magic with the tarot if it inspires you but the tarot was not created for that so rim my question tarot viscis forza and the 19th arcana so I did not understand the question if you would like rim to rephrase it for me please rose Casabianka good evening everyone I am watching you from Corsica good evening to you rim what is the meaning of the severed red head that the angel with blue wings is holding the angel on the blue cloud it must be from there okay I will go look at my viscon Forza to see if I can answer this question but I will anyway rim tell you something about your question even if I can’t answer it I will look for my card he I have the visconti Forza under my hand it’s good so it must be the card of the sun he if I am not mistaken if you are talking to me about the Yeah so Rim asks me a question about this card from an old illuminated Italian tarot which appeared in 19 1456 1458 in those waters so about 20 years after the birth of the tarot so it is not an original tarot it is a Milanese tarot what you see illuminated bread to the hand for the Viscont family so a princely family of 1000 years and what you have before your eyes is neither more nor less than the 19 of Atou so called the sun in the tarot of Marseille and it is also the figure of the sun that you see painted rim this figure that you have before your eyes is an image from the time of the 15th century so it goes back a long way from the sun you have a little angel who carries the star of the day the sun is not a severed head it is a sun with a human face it was very often represented in this way at the time and so he carries the sun which is red in color that’s all it is the card of the sun so it is a little angel who carries it who carries this star because at the time uh very often the stars were represented carried by other characters it is a kind of mythological allegory you see if you want so the sun is in the sky that’s why the angel is on a little cloud and you see that here we have an iconographic style which is not that of the tarot of Marseille and vice versa there are dozens and dozens and there must have been hundreds of different iconographic styles of tarot through the ages but it is still not one and the same game which is the game of tarot with the Viscis Forza game reconstituted because there are some cards missing today and or a tarot of Marseille I personally play the I play the tarot the same that’s it changes nothing it’s the game of tarot can be played with any of the tarots which were created apart from the occult tarots obviously from the end of the 18th which were created for magic divination and everything but I am talking to you about the historical tarots of the real game of tarot so thank you very much for your question Rim I hope that it has enlightened you I will see if you see in the suddenly 21 of trump if the world is in 21 in the screw forza it seems to me that yes because the order of the trumps has changed through the ages well there there are two little angels who carry a vision of the heavenly Jerusalem a heavenly vision for example you see so it is it is had an iconographic code in fact it is a way of representing things paradise is in heaven the Jér the heavenly Jerusalem is in heaven but to represent it in a pictorial way in an iconographic way and well we draw it with little angels who carry it like Atlas carrying the world in Greek mythology do not hesitate to tell me if what I tell you speaks to you because sometimes I see that my messages are a little far from what we are used to hearing I am aware of it eh uh tell me if it is clear or if you want me to clarify and there will be no problem with that I will take another question that I had prepared that I am asked very very often and and you will see I am sure that it will resonate for you [Music] why the tarot of Marseille is it called that why is the tarot of Marseille called the tarot of Marseille very good question it is true that this name is misleading when we see that today and we know the tarot in fact well we know that we have a Marseille tarot in your hands, that’s not the Grimau tarot, it’s another older tarot of 10 and when you have a Marseille tarot in your hands you often wonder “But why is it called the Marseille tarot, what is it, what does it have to do with the city?” Well in truth the history of the name Tarot de Marseille has been traced again by Thierry de Police the expert in playing cards in the tarot revealed published in 2013 and the answer is the following in fact there is no connection with the city of Marseille at the origin the tarot of Marseille this particular iconographic style of tarot probably from what we know today was born in the city of Lyon which was the first creator importer and exporter of playing cards at the beginning of the 17th century because it was at the beginning of the 17th century that the tarot of Marseille was born in fact it arrived at the beginning of the 1500s so at the beginning of the 16th in France but the iconographic style took 1 year and a little more a century and a little more to develop so we have French tarots older than the tarots of Marseille but which have other iconographic styles and therefore the tarot of Marseille was born in Lyon probably everything seems to indicate it but it is not a French creation in quotation marks we can we can’t be chauvinistic and nationalistic because in truth we have an intermediate stage which is called the carry sheet eh and which already shows the figures of atou of what will be the tarot of Marseille a century before in Italy towards Milan so there we really think that the roots of this iconography of the tarot of Marseille are always Italian since the tarot of way was born in Italy so the tarot of Marseille was born in Lyon then very quickly master quarters in all the big cities of France since there was a demand people loved the tarot in France so they wanted to play it so master quarters started to manufacture in addition to the classic decks of cards decks of 52 cards tarot decks and so all of this is traced by the history of the documents we have customs duties we have uh uh uh tax documents of master quarter and all that all all of this is listed all this history is done we also have in France Yv Renault who takes care of this history very well and who should publish a book on the history of taxes of the master quarters of those who create the tarots and so on so we know that he sold traditional decks of cards and then tarots to those who wanted them they were craftsmen who created tarots by engraving them on molds using the system of the stamp so printing and then he painted with the stencil and that gave this engraved on a wooden mold hop black ink on the mold a sheet of paper we press it is the stamp we have a printed tarot sheet we color it with the stencil we cut the sheets then we polish and everything and then at the end we have a small pack of cards and we try to sell that because all the costs when you are the craftsman well we have advanced them so it is the disaster so it is absolutely necessary to sell and that is the economic history of the tarot which is very important and very interesting and so where I was in relation to this story rouan Avignon Dijon Paris all these big cities he Marseille but not right away Marseille Marseille it happens later all these big cities created tarots but one day the tarot interest in fact for the tarot game began to decline in France because fashion in fact well it was out of fashion and so in the middle of the 18th century Marseille is very productive of this iconographic style and here in the first part of the 19th century we have the expression tarot of Marseille which appears under the pen of occultists I believe first who say “Well here it is the tarot of Marseille simply because they in their time they have no vision on the other previous eras but in their time it is rather in the city of Marseille that we make these games but in fact it was enough to go back a century before what they ignored so that there were everywhere in France.” So you see that in fact the name tarot of Marseille has no connection originally with the city of Marseille but it has a small one in the sense that it is Marseille which at one point was a bit of the last bastion producing this iconography there and what I must say and I pay homage here to the occultists who arrived in the history of the tarot at the end of the 18th century it is thanks to them clearly that the tarot had a renewed interest basically from the moment when everyone began to believe that the tarot had an Egyptian origin that it was a timeless sacred universal magical game that it possessed all the mysteries of the universe and so on and so forth from that moment that it entered the heads well the tarot conquered the entire planet since now there are Japanese tarot enthusiasts there are everywhere in South America in Russia there are tarot enthusiasts everywhere and that is thanks to the occultists if he had not been there if he had not taken care of the tarot well the tarot game would undoubtedly have died out a little in France and so we would not be here talking about it today so you see when I told you that each thing has its place each actor in the history of the tarot has had an importance through the ages and then everything can be finally valued the most important thing for me is that everything can be understood the tarot can be understood it is not unknowable for me that is the message that I carry both in my courses in the open access shares that I do but also with my students in the online training courses throughout the year in my writings I also publish articles that I published online on the Academia site on the internal structure of the tarot the historical themes of the tarot all that with a scientific approach to try to understand this object and my message here it is that one and it is the one that I deliver to you this evening once again that was for the name Tarot of Marseille do not hesitate to ask me questions if you have others that come to you and I will try to take them along the way and to answer you and I continue with the math because I spoke to you about the Italian origin of the tarot and I very often have this question also why the mat is called the mat it was called the fool what happened there you must know that in Italy since the tarot originally is Italian and well everything was said spoken and written in Italian and therefore originally all the first names of cards all the vocabulary and well is in the Italian language and everything as and when was translated when it is when it arrived in France the master quarters began to translate from Italian into French according to what seemed coherent to them some perhaps without knowing the rules of the game them it was the craftsmen, they just had to create to meet demand and they made money if they did it well, so some were perhaps not aware of the rules of the game, so perhaps sometimes there are translations that are not very well done, that were approximate, then others perhaps translated better, you see, when the tarot arrived in France, the Italian names were translated, and in Italian, the fool card is called il mato, the tok, the fool, the imbecile, the idiot, in Italian, still today, it is one of the words to say the fool, the idiot, il matato, or just mato without the article for certain lists of tarot trumps that we have from the 15th century , so the master quartermasters initially translated the fool because il matau , in Italian , in French it is the fool, you see, but without doubt, and I believe that we have traces of it because it seems to me from memory that I heard Thierry de Police say that we had historical traces of what I am going to tell you but the tarot players who bought the games and who played among themselves also had their own vocabulary so it was it There was written the fool on the fool card but there were some who said mato mato because it came from Italy and he had heard and then it was transmitted like that the most important thing in relation to this story is that one day and we know who a French quarter master on a specific date in a city in France decided to engrave on his mold for the first time it was in 1709 in Dijon matth instead of fool and there it is the moment when in the history of the tarot appears the word mat which is in fact a literal translation of the Italian il mato it gives mat in French that’s the origin of the word and I’m going to show it to you because I have it here it’s a tarot restored by Yvren Renault it’s the tarot dion of Pierre Madonier so Pierre Madonier was a quarter master in Dijon who in 1709 for reasons which are his own and which remain mysterious decided for the first time to the known story of the Marseille tarot to engrave on its wooden mold not the fool under the fool card but the mate that is important it is a first element of response because of course there is undoubtedly behind the choice of this master quarter Pierre Maddenier a reason which for him perhaps made sense because he broke with a tradition by calling the fool the mate he broke with a tradition so for me from my point of view he risked losing customers because people demand it he they buy the things they are used to the players of you see cards so suddenly they had a deck of cards with a fool called Mat it could destabilize them it was a risk from my point of view but Pierre Madon did that an interesting master quarter so there is certainly a reason eh behind his choice but in any case what is sure is that the players already had to call this card mato maybe even mate in French because it came from the Italian il mato and you see how it is very interesting uh to make the objective history of the tarot because we arrive at objective answers and knowledge which are nevertheless tangible elements and which then allow us not to stop there but to go much further because what I have just shown you for me was the beginning of an extremely fruitful line of thought in relation to which I will make publications in the future because I believe I have made a very important discovery in relation to this math of the tarot of Pierre Madonier and all of this would not have been allowed to me if I had not studied this small aspect of translation il matomat into French thanks to the history of the tarot by the documents so in fact this way of studying the tarot that I am talking to you about is not only obtaining satisfactory answers it is also opening considerable doors on extremely fruitful paths no doubt which formerly could not have actually happened what you see so it is really a method of research which opens rather than closes what that was for the math I will take a new question and then I will take another one if you are still interested tell me what you think about all this [Music] so Vincent L do you practice occultism so I don’t really know what this question means because it’s a bit vague what I can tell you is that personally I say that it is entirely possible on the one hand to study the tarot in a historical and scientific way to understand it as thoroughly as possible with the knowledge of the moment which will evolve and on the other hand to practice the tarot in an intuitive magical way if you want it occultist if you want it is not at all contradictory the proof is that I do it every day I am also a practitioner I have a double hat so in tarology I receive people in private consultation I practice the art of drawing and in this context there is my approach is completely different because there we are in something else we are in moments where on a personal level my intuition is completely open I I let my flair go to what I can have as a vision and cetera and cetera I don’t know if that’s what you call occultism friends what if that’s what you call occultism Vincent but there you go it’s quite possible in fact I make a distinction between the two and on the other hand my historical study of the tarot comes to enrich my practice enormously it doesn’t block me at all on the contrary I am completely open during the sessions that I lead and at certain moments I will draw on the objective knowledge that I was able to acquire on the tarot thanks to all the historians that I have read and that I continue to listen to and I come to bring little touches like that in the sessions at Bonciant when I find that it makes sense and so in fact my study of the tarot nourishes my practice enormously and I am also capable of giving courses on the practice of theorizing it and I will do some if you are interested I can very well tell you for example according to my experience what is the card of the house God symbolizes in general statistically speaking it’s a bit the same thing all the time in my sessions for example I can very well tell you that and that has nothing to do with the historical meaning of the house of God I can talk to you about the historical meaning when it is when the when cout house of God which was not called that appeared in Italy at the beginning I can talk to you about the historical meaning of what I think I understood and I can also talk to you about something that has nothing to do with it is what symbolism does the house of God have when it comes out in session for a consultant who is working on a problem who is talking about his past of his family of I don’t know what there the house of God very often for me in my in my sessions it has a symbolism which is attached to the historical meaning but it is it is something completely different it is much more open you see now I am not a magician Vincent L if that is your question on the other hand do I study occultism yes that I study occultism always currently since I try to understand the tarot in all its forms so the occult tarot I know it too and I have also studied it quite a bit in the past there I hope I have answered your question do not hesitate to ask me others ah the house of God you ask me Vincent the house of God for you what does it mean well if you want I will tell you a few words but I will not say much because that would take us far because the house in the tarot in the trumps in fact historically speaking over six centuries of history there are some which have evolved a lot as much in the name as in the iconography and therefore in the symbolism because you understand well that on a tarot trump which is called the house of God if you have a tower in flames on it and if on another trump the house of God there is no tower well you understand well that depending on the change of iconography there is a symbolic change necessarily but the iconography of the house of God has varied quite a bit over time even if there is always a common theme it is lightning so here in Italy when this asset appears it is called s’agite la foudre l’éclair la flèche but which refers to the idea of lightning or the house of the devil and so on it is an image at the origin without doubt of a part of hell h then after quickly it evolved this tower which is struck by lightning it is really an evocation of the tower of Babel what I tell you there it is not an occultist symbolism because there are occultists and occultist tarot readers who say that that the house of God evokes the tower of Babel except that I do not say it for the same reasons that I say it for historical reasons which reasons that they ignored in their time a few centuries ago because the documents that we have today which allow us to say it they did not exist at their time you see so they have their reason to say that it evokes the tower of Babel what I can tell you is that in the Italian iconography of the end of the 15th beginning 16th century to represent the history and the biblical myth of the Tower of Babel the Italians sometimes paint a house struck by lightning so that is objective it is a document it is the history of documentation and therefore it is certain that already the house of God historically speaking the one we have in the Tarot of Marseille evokes the biblical myth of the Tower of Babel that is for the study side there is the infernal representation and everything but I am not going to tell you more it is okay it goes much too far now in my practice most of the time the house of God for a consultant today in 2025 will come uh evoke punishment and paternal authority so there you go in fact in truth even when the person even when the consultant does not know the tarot does not know the myth of the Tower of Babel does not know the iconography that he has before his eyes even when it is the case it seems that there is a bit of something in the air perhaps an archetype there in the Yung way perhaps since the paternal authority which chastises and punishes from above the little child who below you see well it is exactly the theme of the story of the tower of Babel in fact he you see it is it is I mean it is objectively it is that what the biblical myth of the tower of Babel in Catholic history but also in Jewish rabbinic history he it has always been interpreted in this way the divine punishment which punishes men because by pride men wanted to rise up to God and therefore he punishes them and God is the heavenly father therefore the paternal authority which chastises these creatures the dad who chastises the child and very often for me in the consultations it is this theme which emerges with the house of God so there is a link you see with the story with the historical side but not necessarily a link with the infernal aspect although the punishments for children can be experienced as hell that was for the theory and practice part I see that Vincent you react to it thank you again he for your for your questions the tarot seems interesting especially for the esoteric aspect ah no I don’t agree at all my friend oh la la isn’t it interesting what I just told you the tarot it is interesting when we for me when we understand it you see and how we can understand it we can understand it only by the historical aspect today for barely 3 decades some tarot readers for example say that the battler signifies the beginning it is a symbol of the beginning and well that for example is not the case at all originally in the tarot you see it doesn’t matter it doesn’t matter in practice it can be the case but historically the battler has never never over six centuries of history symbolized the beginning that is an anachronism of us today who project ourselves towards the past with our own symbolism you see it has really uh that’s what 20 30 40 years the battler which symbolizes the beginning so how to understand the tarot you say it’s not it’s less interesting the historical aspect than the esoteric one but who tells you that there is an esoteric aspect that’s why we talk about this postulate it personally I study the tarot to try to understand what it is so I don’t start from the principle that it is esoteric I try to see for example if there is esotericism or not in the tarot and in this case what is this esotericism where it comes from what period when did it start because if we lend esoteric symbolism from the 19th century which did not exist in the 18th to the tarot which was born in the 15th it is a total anachronism it doesn’t matter but we cannot be in this case in the original symbolic meaning of the Italian designers who created and invented the tarot you understand and that’s what interests me and that for me It’s absolutely fascinating, the historical aspect is just as magical as the non-historical magical aspect, eh? We make absolutely mind-blowing discoveries and I have I want to conclude with regard to your question by specifying that I notice that often the public believes that if the tarot is not esoteric it means that it is not symbolic but the tarot is entirely symbolic the tarot the whole suit of trumps what is it is a symbolic sequence metaphorical allegorical archetypal and emblematic for certain trumps it is it is exceptional in this sequence of the 22 trumps we have at the same time the ascension of the Christian soul according to the logic of the reborn humanists we have the human ranks which begin the suit with Batleur papèz uh empress it depends on the orders of trump but in the tarot of Marseille it is like that empress emperor and pope sometimes it is not this order in the old tarots it depends sometimes we have two emperors and two popes it has changed a lot what and then we have the cycle of virtues the cardinal virtues with the symbol of time the road fortune the hermit who was formerly an allegory of time too Saturn and so on and so forth well all that is symbols and when we go back to 15th century Italy to understand these symbols but it’s magical it’s fascinating so it’s not at all less interesting than the esotericism of the 19th or 20th century why would it be less interesting our ancestors were no less interesting than us friends it was it’s extremely rich the first Italian Renaissance extremely we are led to discover exceptional authors when we are interested in historical tarot for example I don’t know look I’m going to show you Momus d’Alberti here is the first Léonard de Vincy Albertiin here is Ros Caldel the tarot historian who recommended this reading to me he is an extremely exceptional author so there you go friends Vincent you continue on the house of God do you know the etymology of the stone of Btil well of course yes that’s it it’s it’s biblical huh lower it the house of God etymology which speaks already in the episode of Jacob with his ladder climbed and descended by the angels except that the house of God is not called the house of God originally the house of God that is a name that appears in the tarot of Marseille so in France in the 17th century for several centuries before the 16th of Atou in any case this figure of the tower is not called the house of God its names are the lightning the thunderbolt the arrow or the house of the devil so a part of hell without doubt purgatory in my opinion possibly sometimes for certain creators of tarot the limbo of the patriarchs for those who know a little about Christian theology but for me it represents more the purgatory the house of God than the limbo of the patriarchs there I am addressing it is a little technical I am addressing those who really know Catholic theology what good evening Sand Bélio and thank you Karine Ecker who says that it is very interesting I hope because I am talking about the part of the science of the ancients friends so it is the people at 15th century the old Europeans were the scholars it was something he they were sacred geniuses so the creator of the tarot be careful it is the intellectual program that developed I tell you it is revolutionary it is exceptional you have to you have to see that what Marvin who tells me “Good evening I discover you a pleasure to listen to you the replay is planned ah well yes the replay in fact the live it will be direct on YouTube you will be able to listen to it again if you have questions that come to you during the replay of the replay well you will be able to put them in the comments and I will try to try to answer them what good well there you go thank you very much for your questions uh the live uh I don’t know it is already 9:20 p.m. I have already spoken quite a bit and I can take a few more questions from you if you wish and anyway as I told you we will do moments like that again if you are interested well I will make myself available to talk to you about the objective study of the tarot of the tarot historical and of these symbols as they were originally as they were understood finally as much as we can try to understand it ourselves eh all that has limits eh and then sometimes I won’t know but I can talk to you in any case about what I thought I understood and then some resources here which are mine in the study of this exceptional work uh which is the tarot and the tarot of Marseille thank you Vincent but I beg you thank you all your questions there have been have been great very interesting and you see how the study of the evolution of the tarot is important because understand that when we have in Italy and it is notably in the Minkyaté games he for those who know which are a derivative of the tarot the Minkyaté is I will show you a restored Minkyaté which was published not long ago if you are interested taro Minkat it is a it is a creator that Florentin also who started from the tarot game and who increased it so you all have the zodiac inside the Minkaté in the continuation of atou you have the four elements and everything that is missing in fact in the atou suit of the tarot it was added in the minkaté and in particular in the minkaté uh the house of God is called the house of the devil so what is the enigma behind that friends why from a house of the devil we go to a house of God in the space of a few centuries there are answers he behind these questions but you understand that in fact this question as I ask it to you there is only the historical study of the tarot which can lead us on this path because if we study the tarot only through our prism of the 21st century we are not even aware that 6 centuries ago this trump was perhaps called the house of the devil so for that we must do the history of the documents we must be interested in the original tarot as the Italians conceived it and as they played it and there we realize that we have gone from a house of the devil to a house of God does that make sense is it different between the house of God and the house of the devil or is it that for the minds of the time in fact it is the same hm andrea Vitali eh if you want to go see on his site provided an answer that I consider very good in relation to this question andrea Vitali so he is one of the historians of the tarot who is Italian and who gives courses in Italian but online on what he understood during his career as a historian of the work which concerns us what I am going to take another question from the list that I had planned for you ah this question it is interesting I am going to shake up the coconut tree of tarot readers and tarot friends fasten your seatbelts he I tell you because it is going to move was the tarot created by the academy of Marcil Fissin in Florence [Music] that is a question many of you have seen the very beautiful documentary by Christophe Poné produced by Paré which is called the mysteries of the tarot in which Christophe Poné develops the hypothesis which is his hobby that it is Ficinism therefore the hermeticism of the Renaissance at the initiative of Marcil Fissin who was a great Florentine scholar of the first Italian Renaissance of the Quatroent and well it is this hermeticism there which would have influenced the iconography of the tarot of Marseille et cetera et cetera et cetera so it is his thesis and so it is true that today many students come to me because they saw this documentary and come to you dear friends tarot readers I see it because I watch your lives again and I look at the cats there are many people who are interested in the tarot who no longer understand who are a little they no longer know how to think but then was the tarot created by Marcil Fissin in his academy of Florence et cetera et cetera and well I am going to give you an extremely simple answer in relation to this point that I worked in the form of freeze to be able to find my way with dates and all these tools there the Fes the family tree of the tarot the civil status and therefore the birth extract of the tarot these are tools that I created I deliver all that in fact to the students of my online training courses so that they can meditate on their knowledge with this type of tool eh and so the freise in fact I made it myself to try to find my way around and listen it’s very very simple today it’s an absolute certainty because we have the historical source that in 1440 in Florence the tarot exists it is the greatest expert on French toy cards and one of the greatest international Thierry de Polilis who discovered this historical note and who published it in the tarot revealed in 2013 which is a note written in a journal of the notary titled Desicis Jodusti who writes text this September 16, 1440 I delivered to my master a Nibi Triomphi so the original name of the tarot so a deck of triumph cards it was called like that the tarot originally uh beautifully painted and all that cost me 4 of the case and a half 1440 so it’s a absolute certainty that in 1440 in Florence the tarot exists it has already been created everything is there its suit of trumps it is there there is the house of God there is the allegory of death there is the fool the fool has already is already undoubtedly affected by special rules we have the human ranks which begin the suit of trumps and so on we have the last judgment at the very end which is logical and not the world as in the tarot of Marseille well and so on and so on but all the figures of Auss are there the tarot exists but the academy of Florence of Marcil Fissin friends it only begins its adventure in 1463 more than 20 years after the birth of the tarot so for me it is clear the tarot has nothing to do with the Florentine Academy of Marcil Fissin and therefore with the hermeticism of the first Italian renaissance nothing since it was born 20 years at least before if not 25 or even 30 years it is more or less near this window when the tarot was born Marcil Fissin himself was 6 years old what something like that so it has no connection that being said that for me it is a scientific achievement that is clear on the other hand once the tarot spread everywhere went outside the borders of Italy and once the school of Marcile Fissin in Florence the academy developed transmitted its teachings and that it began to be talked about and that the hermeticism of the Renaissance was born and spread at that time so we are talking about what the end of the 15th century of the current 16th maybe 17th and later there the hermetic currents initiated by Marcil Fissin epic of Mirando he for those who know the one who will be interested in the Hebrew cabala but who will make a Christian cabala and so on at that time that could have influenced in certain aspects the iconography of the tarots and perhaps of the tarot of Marseille it is possible and here are historians trying to verify that right now I myself have already tried to see a little there may be interesting things why not but once again the tarot of Marseille is not the tarot the tarot it was born 20 years at least before the Amemia of Florence and all the figures of atou were there the battler the popess the empress the emperor the pope the lovers or love it was rather called love in Italy or the lovers temperance which was in 7 and not in 14 like the tarot of Marseille uh justice force therefore the cardinal virtues without prudence the wheel of fortune all the tarot it existed is it Do you understand so this question is very interesting and we can only answer it by doing the history of the tarot otherwise in fact we cannot manage to find ourselves what do not hesitate to tell me if I was clear and if it seems logical to you birth of the tarot today window 1435-1439 probably in Florence or Bologna beginning of the history of the Academy of Florence of Marcil Fissin 1463 some 20 years later and again that is I tell you it is the foundation of the school as far as publications are concerned so the books of Marcil Fissin and Pico della Mirandolle we arrive in 1473 then in 1480 so we are decades after the birth of the tarot and it is still necessary that these hermetic doctrines spread it takes decades even if it takes very quickly you see that’s it and me personally and in the training in realistic tarot I am really interested in the roots of the tarot I try to understand what the tarot is when it appeared when when it was designed by one or more design what was it that’s what interests me and this tarot there the real one in quotation marks the tarot what that is as I told you it appeared decades before Marcil Fissin and the school of Amémie of Florence so originally it has no connection dear Christine Ninard good evening delighted to see you in this live and good evening also to Sand Bélio who is currently following my work quite a lot thank you very much for your comments for your likes subscribe to my channel if all this please it supports me because it requires a lot of work all this also allows me to develop several projects on the tarot which I wanted to talk to you about because I also started a new series of interviews on the important figures of the tarot world internationally and everything that is broadcast on my YouTube channel so all that takes me time for the editing the sound the music and everything and so when you subscribe when you leave a little comment a like and everything it is really really a support which for me is concrete real and which translates immediately into our reality so it is always a pleasure and what is even better is that you are present and you respond present when I propose live moments and that I am super happy a big thank you to you so Christine I think you are asking me a question at what point was there a collusion between the tarot and the Hebrew cabal from which many are inspired to comment on the tarot well I will return to the resources that I gave this story to answer your question it was done eh it is clear it is it is already written it was done by Tierry de Police in the tarot revealed the story of the collusion between gematri Hebrew cabal and tarot it was made by Isabelle Nadolidan history of the tarot in fact the occultist history of the tarot it has been done by all the historians of the tarot of all nationalities for 40 years they all did it it is written Michael Dumet made it fevre the party Michael Dumet he works with Sylvia Man so there you go uh I do n’t know Franco Prathesi there you go Andrea Vitalier all the historians of the Tarol in fact no problem it’s end of the 18th century that’s the answer to your question Christine at the end of the 18th century there is a collusion of a large set of events in Europe there is the there is the beginning of the romantic movement which is linked to a galloping Egyptomania and Egyptophilia so there is already a collusion like that and there are occultists short of Gbelin very great intellectual in the head he who writes the primitive world and who devotes a chapter volume 8 of the primitive world to the tarot and short of Gbelin who is extremely famous in his time because he is a true genius of classical humanities and sciences of his time and well he in fact he will say the tarot I know it is Egyptian the 22 trumps correspond to the letters of the Egyptian alphabet and so on and so forth and so forth and there the occultist history of the tarot will begin we are in 1780 before this date my dear Christine there is zero mention of a collusion between Hebrew kabal that is to say gematria because that is what you have in mind I imagine and tarot zero is not 1 2 3 it is 0 and we see clearly following the publication of Gbelin’s short that this is where the sauce is taken so in any case the history of the occultist of the tarot or the history of the occultist tarot we call it what we want it is it is done it is written and it has no problem that is to say it is coherent and it only does strengthen himself in his writing the people who follow him they will make a direct assimilation ah good well if the 22 trumps of the tarot therefore which the occultists will call major arcana but I invite you to leave this name because it does not designate anything it means nothing while trump we designate the nature of the tarot card since a trump we cut to the trump so it is a card more powerful than the others it is a permanent trump so when we say trump or triumph we are designating the nature of the tarot card a trump is distinguished from a point card that is to say from a number card an ace a 10 a 5 which is still distinguished from a course card where we can call them the heads the honors and cetera the figures and so when we say to any number card figure or honor and all we are talking about the nature of the cards of the tarot game that we like you understand friends that is why I invite my students each time to change their lexicon that is what I did for myself I used to say major arcana and minor arcana now I speak differently I use words that are not empty that refer to an original nature of what is the object of which I speak what you see and so we see following Gabelin’s court that the other occultists will take over they will say to themselves well that Gabelin’s court he says that the tarot is Egyptian and that the trumps correspond to the letters of the Egyptian alphabet so it also corresponds to the letters of the Hebrew alphabet of course it is quite logical at this time since we are already starting to say that there are filiations between the Canaanite and Egyptian Hebrew alphabet which for the time being is not false we know it today and so there you are at the end of the 18th and throughout the 19th with people like Papus like Virt who occultists who will create their own occult tarot so which is no longer a symbolic deck and well all these people will propose in fact they will not propose they will affirm that the tarot is linked to gematria and that if there are 22 trumps it is because there are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet the problem with that is that once again before the 18th century we have what I don’t know four centuries of history of the tarot where there is zero mention of anyone who makes a link between the two that is to say that for 4 centuries the tarot is played and meditated on as a game of these and philosophical tool for reflection it is a system of representation of the symbolic world and all very well so it is used like that and then suddenly we arrive and the occultists write a new history and it distorts that is the word that I use the tarot because as I was saying to Vincent earlier it is one thing when you are a soothsayer to use the tarot to do divination no problem we are soothsayers well very well it is our it is our thing that for me it is completely different from someone who explains that the nature of the tarot is an oracle you see the distinction it has nothing to do with it the tarot we can understand and study its nature thanks to the history of the tarot we can discern its nature and it is not an oracle the tarot is not a magical object you see on the other hand soothsayers and magicians can use the tarot everyone is free to do what they want you see where I’m going with a nuance but it’s very important for me that’s why I theorized the moment you’re talking about Christine I theorized it on a personal level and I will try when I have time to formalize it in the form of a research article I wanted to name what happened at the end of the 18th century concerning the history of the tarot and I called it falsification but it is to be taken at the neutral level the fact of making false or the occultist denaturation of the tarot and it is a very important point in history because as I said earlier fortunately the occultists denatured the tarot because that the tarot was in decline and it would have probably disappeared, so thanks to the occultists who said that the tarot was something other than what it was, everyone said to themselves it’s magic, it’s universal, it’s the wisdom of the Egyptians and we’re going to be interested in it, so it’s magic, so thank you occultists, on the other hand, they still distorted the tarot and personally today I consider that 1780 is the beginning of the occultist denaturation of the tarot and 1980 publication of The Game of Tarot by Michael Jumet so centuries later it is the beginning of the historical rehabilitation of the tarot by researchers and historians of the tarot they take up all the history of the documents and they realize that in fact no occultism was born extremely late in the history of the tarot and it is just a kind of appendix our problem my dear Christine is that we were born in the 20th century or the 21st so our history is that we have as a heritage the history written by the occultists we were born in it and we generally arrived at the tarot from this angle so it is very difficult then to get out of this vision to try to adopt another but I assure you that it is possible I assure you that it is fascinating if you want to work at it I assure you that there are plenty of ways to do it and I offer one through my training and I assure you that it’s magic, that is to say that once we go beyond the magical aspect of the tarot we arrive at total magic, eh, it’s the history of the tarot, it’s something exceptional and I say it again in case you weren’t there at the start Christine but you can watch the replay the real tarot, that is to say the historical tarot as it was created by one or more Italians in the first part of the Quatroento, it’s a revolutionary work and card game that has no equivalent in the West at that time and until today in my opinion no one had done that before, no one did that after, it’s it’s it’s something brilliant, what brilliant so that’s exciting to discover and it’s worth the detour so Christine you tell me it’s in particular with the tree of life of the cabala and the link made with the 22 paths and the 10hirotes as I said to Vincent Latique for me there is zero problem that is to say that personally I do not work with the tree of the Sephirotes nor with the gamria and the cabala I do not make a link with the tarot in my practice but I could absolutely do it if tomorrow I find that it is interesting I can do it in my practice in fact as I explained it is not at all contradictory to study the history of the tarot and to practice the tarot one can I do both and I could very well finally I would not have a problem personally I would not have a problem of cognitive dissonance to tell you this evening that the tarot originally has nothing to do with the cabala the gematria and the tree of the Sephirotes but on the other hand in my practice to use these three tools with the tarot it is not for me it is not contradictory because the practice is completely something else in the In practice, we are in introspection, in self-discovery and personal growth, we are in psychological work possibly, the goal of which each time is the development of our being, the understanding of our personal history of our problems, uh, and the goal is to be helped or to help the other in these personalized sessions, so from the moment we manage to be helped or to help the other or to help ourselves with, well, it doesn’t matter what the tool is, if the tool we have is a crystal ball, if it’s mediumship, if we have found an exceptional soothsayer, or if we use the tree of the Sephiroth and we make connections with the tarot and it matches perfectly, and everything, well, whatever the tool, it’s there’s no problem for me, I’m here tonight, you’ll see again if you weren’t here at the beginning, Christine, I’m here tonight to talk to you about theory, and so I’m talking to you about the objective and scientific study of the tarot as we can try to practice it, the practice is at other times next week you can go back to the top of the chat you will find a link if you want to study the practice of tarot I offer a drawing workshop a genetic drawing that I have created for this occasion it will be next week Thursday evening so Thursday July 3rd I believe for all those who wish let us gather around a tarot drawing workshop so intuitive drawing there we are in another world and the drawing that I will propose to you will be intended to work on our relationship with others and with the world so it is a very interesting drawing with three cards there you go friends and then I will teach you here is the drawing method everything and then I will be able to answer there to questions on the practice so there is to answer you very clearly Christine no problem working with the cabal to make links with the tree of life the tree or the tree of the sphirotes the 22 paths the 10 Sephirotes sorry I am mixing in what I have the 22 trumps et cetera the 22 trumps can represent the 22 paths in the 10 and firotes and all yes I have a friend who works on that there is very good what there is no there is no problem on the other hand if the question is to know the tarot was originally designed to be linked to the cabala, gematria and everything, no, not at all, and that’s clear, it’s very, very clear, and it’s just as clear that incidentally at the time in the Italian cities where the tarot probably appeared, Florence or Bologna, I mean, Christians don’t know gematria at all, it comes much later, so there’s already a big problem of acronism between the fact of considering that the tarot can be linked to gematria, the cabala or the Sephiroth and so on, uh, there’s a big problem of acronism because we know that the tarot comes from a Christian matrix, we know it because the figure of Atou, well, actually transpires Christian eschatology, so we know that it was a Christian humanist who designed the tarot, and there’s no chance at that time, in fact, that this guy knew Jewish gematria, we have to understand, and that I put it in the form of a freeze also in my training it is necessary to understand that uh there is no Judeo-Christian culture at the time eh friends there is Catholicism in Europe and the Jews the Jewish culture is a minority and marginalized eh so we must not make an acronym with today by thinking that the situation is the same what so there is no there is no Judeo-Christianity so the Christians do not know the Jewish cabala at all because they have not yet opened up to it at the time when the tarot appears they will begin to open up to it with the school of Fissin the Academy of Florence at the end of the 15th century and at the beginning the first cabala that the Christians will know will not be the Jewish cabala they will create what is called the Christian cabala and try to in fact adapt the Jewish cabala to Christianity you see the true Jewish gematria that is to say the numbers associated with the letters of the Hebrew alphabet and the practice with this tool is a lot it is centuries later that Westerners know and have access to this tool there so we must be careful not to start from our knowledge today by saying that the Italians of the Renaissance 600 years ago have the same so Christine you thank me for my answer I always find it interesting to go back to the origin and become aware of what happened later and which was not there at the beginning well yes me too that is the work essentially that I lead and I am going to show you something that I have never shown yet because to be able to work each tarot historian has his own methods and I also have my methods and sometimes I am obliged to create some because I lack some in fact what and I am going to show you what I created to be able to work on the tarot of origins which is still a little unknown but whose form we still suspect because there are many known elements finally in fact I created myself I tried to recreate the tarot of origins as it was able to appear in Italy and so for that to be able to get used to its form I made cards with you go see the order of the trumps not like in the tarot of Marseille but the Florentine order for example there in 7 you have temperance and yes friends originally in the tarot temperance was not in 14 and it is much more logical that it is in 7 when we know its original symbol so there I made cards like that and in fact I used a tarot of Marseille to be able to do that that is to say that when I need to remember Temperance where it is in the tarot of Marseille well behind there is the tarot of Marseille in reference you see I made myself a double game the original Florentine game as it undoubtedly appeared you see with notes on it iconographic and then if I need to remember what is behind justice justice for example it was probably in 8 or in 9 originally you see there I made this tool because we have to invent some tools and create methods to be able to try to change our way of seeing because as I told you the tarot of Marseilles only appeared in the 17th century it is already very very late in the history of the tarot there is already almost everything that happened in fact in Italy before that well it is very complicated if we start from the tarot of Marseilles to say that it is the tarot of the origins well we make almost only anachronisms because the trumps are not in the same place at the origin the iconography could have changed the names of the cards could have changed you see even if it is always the same figures of trumps more or less it is still details that change there and in the framework of the training in realistic tarot well it is all of this that in fact I have time to talk to you to comment on you and to show you uh that is why there is the first cycle of training which will soon be completed at the beginning of July after I will be able put this cycle up for purchase elsewhere for those who are interested that’s why if if you are interested subscribe to my newsletter or send me your contact details so you can have the news this first cycle you can buy it in full video and have everything in fact in dematerialized if you already want to see what I did this year but the difference between receiving all the videos and the PDFs and everything and the documents that I will I will give you and follow the course live by being present at the workshops is that in the workshops you can participate you can you can ask me questions you can also contradict me at times if I am wrong or if my argument is too weak because that’s the that’s the big difference also in in the tarot when we study it objectively it is that it is participatory that is to say that uh I can be wrong as a facilitator I absolutely do not have the infused science and the history when we enter the history well it is infinite so you need a lot of knowledge you need to get familiar with a lot of things or sometimes otherwise when I make suggestions to you ah there are suggestions that may seem weak to you so this year during the course sometimes there are students who asked me questions who said to me “Yeah you are sure of what you are saying such and such person said that what do you think about it?” So I was going further, you see, he was pushing me to my limits and then I was telling them no because there is such and such an element and then et cetera and then that in fact that brings the reflection to a conclusion just now thanks to Vincent L I was also able to quote to you the brilliant reflection of one of my students which was an argument that I had never thought of but which is obvious to clearly show that the tarot in the past was neither magic nor cabalistic nor sorcerer and everything and I will do it again quickly Christine why because the tarot is constantly condemned in the history of documents by the church which hates games of chance and card games and therefore the church is all the time we have lots of documents like that with sermons from priests and everything from cardinals of I don’t know what who condemns who condemns the tarot and at no time does he condemn the tarot because it is magic, witchcraft or Jewishness as they could have said well it’s Jewish and so on it’s from the Sabbath it’s Cabal and everything we never condemn never and every time the condemnations are the tarot it must be condemned because it’s a game of chance so it’s diabolical so friends this argument you see it was provided to me by a student this year it’s brilliant and I hadn’t thought of it and it’s on a personal level I thought about it I can’t counter it she is absolutely right if the tarot had been something else in history than a symbolic card game as I describe it to you well it would be in the documents you see so here is the realistic tarot it is also the opportunity this training that I propose to you to enter into a study approach which is totally different from that which we are used to that we are used to having there are no arguments of authority for me there are only arguments that I propose to you and then if you manage to dismantle them so much the better and then like that we look elsewhere you see I will refer you otherwise to other sources and then sometimes I have students who share others with me and then you have to read them and so on and so forth scientific tarot it really began in 1980 we have 45 years of production of knowledge it is gigantic about the tarot it is incredible miraculous everything that has been found by people like Michael Dumet Ros Caldwell they are total experts and I have I am only at the beginning of my readings that is to say I do I read all the time about all this science of the tarot and I read that I do not know what I read 1 of everything that has been produced in 45 years, you understand, so that’s it, and it’s objective knowledge that is brought up to date , updated with an evolution, and during this year’s cycle, just in the space of a year, I was able, little by little, month after month, to inform my students, for example, of such and such a novelty in the science of tarot, of such and such a thought that had been abandoned in favor of another, of a redating of a historical tarot, because the history of tarot is written day by day, and for that, you have to succeed in following the productions, in fact, of tarot historians, you have to know them, you have to know where they publish, how, because all that is a little bit not very accessible, anyway, so if all that interests you, well, don’t hesitate to come to me if you like this, this way, in fact, of investigating this magical work that concerns us, and well, I propose a way of access, I make documents accessible, I also do translations when certain historical documents are in Italian, in English and everything so I in the training I give my students a lot of documents also translated and here and in particular I think of another resource this little work Conlioki and Conanteleto which was written by Michael Dumet Michael Dumet Roscald Thierry de Police and then Marco Ponzi and so in this little book you published two Italian treatises from the 16th century written by two intellectual humanists who both find the tarot fascinating and who try to understand the symbolic meaning of the suit of trump that is to say exactly what we are doing all together this evening friends and everything we have been doing for centuries in fact the tarot since always and even in Italy where it was born very quickly it fascinated everyone because it is an exceptionally intelligent work and card game as much the rules the game is brilliant as the allegorical and symbolic meaning of the suit of 22 trumps which is unique in the history of card games which has not been done before not done after so you have in this little book two Italian humanist intellectuals in the 16th century who comment on the sequence of trump cards according to the symbolism of their time battler what does that mean and everything you understand how important this document is have you ever heard of it well I give you access to this type of document in the training I translated the table which was proposed by my by the by the authors I translated it into French and so you have a table in two parts with the meanings of the two authors and we see how it is similar how it differs it is more or less coherent and they both consider more or less that the suit of trumps of the tarot of the forgiveness tarot represents neither more nor less the journey of the soul of a Christian who walks on earth then who dies then whose soul lives a postmortem existence and who ascends to heaven after having possibly spent a little time in hell so that is what is interesting and he speaks a century and a half after the birth of the tarot a century so they are already anachronistic but much less than us well there you go friends eh I spoke a lot this evening I thank you for for all your questions do you have one last question maybe I can take before the end of this live I’m going to go see for myself if I had another hop what was the other question ah I’m going to take the last one so you can take a quick look at the description under this YouTube video and you will see that in the description I shared with you a document that I wrote this evening just before the workshop this afternoon in fact for you that I called response to questions from Internet users so I created a PDF document with the 6 recurring questions that my students and the Internet users that I observe ask me and there are others that I have not dealt with this evening so you will be able to read my answers and above all in this document I provide objective facts with sources that you can check for yourself and I refer to authors to works et cetera et cetera so do not hesitate in the description of this video to click on the link and download this document because I did it for you friends it is a share a little gift that I wanted to give you in addition to this live tonight so that’s already for sharing tac tac tac I’m going to answer one last question that was in this document that I had planned it gives you time to ask me one last one if you have one that comes to you and then we’ll finish on that and I’ll explain the rest of the adventure you’ll see in the document that I invite you to download that the last question is a question that I saw in the live of a tarot reader recently someone who asked who asked this question what are the minor arcana and I answer you tonight that it’s nothing it’s nothing the minor arcana because minor arcana is an expression that has no meaning that’s my way of answering you I told you at the beginning be careful fasten your seatbelts there in the years to come I’m going to shake the tarot coconut tree in all directions I’m going to turn the table upside down I’m going to try at least minor arcana it’s an expression occultists like major arcana who for reasons of their own renamed what was already well named with more magical and more mysterious appellations which bring vagueness and confusion in my opinion because the historical tarot as it appeared is already in itself a tool and a revolutionary work for which already 45 years of scientific studies are not enough to exhaust its meaning and the understanding of its symbols therefore the tarot is already in itself extraordinary therefore there is no need to make it more cabalistic more magical than it is there is already no equivalent in the world to this work you understand friends that is a little to answer again to Vincent L it is my dear friend it is already magical the tarot in fact and therefore it is not by adding esotericism of the 19th century that we are going to make it more magical it is already a work which is exceptional exceptional in many ways in many ways so there is no minor arcana there are numeral cards and course cards what we call and what you call dear friends minor arcana these are the cards of the classic card game it must be understood the cards appeared before the tarot there were not its emblems there were not its suits and its colors obviously it was the Italian suits called Latin originally so the card game arrived in Europe we did not invent we Europeans the cards they came from Asia they were undoubtedly carried by the Muslim world Mamelou Egyptian for the time being uh in the 14th century in Europe all the sources and historical documents that we have from Europeans who speak of cards around the years 1360 1370 1380 so the end of the 14th all say a game arrived here eh it is there is no one who says we created a new card game and everything no the game of these is arrived in all countries so it probably arrived via Venice carried by the Muslim world but the cards are immediately adapted it is the Italian and Latin suits not the French suits that you see there but it is the game of 52 cards and it is already the game of 52 cards in the Muslim world they already play it with lots of games that exist rules that we know and which have remained in fact so the card game arrives around 1365 in Europe and then around 1435 and well we must say that there is an Italian probably on order who invented a new card game that we later called the tarot and this guy we must understand that what did he do to invent it he did not start from nothing he did what the Italians called once again an invention an invention something like that he started from a base which is the game of 52 cards he added uh an honor in each color which makes 14 number cards per series instead of 13 so he added the queen eh because the queen was not there originally in the cards it was jack knight king so he added a queen the creator of the tarot which made 56 number cards what we call minor arcana but it is the point cards 56 point cards and not 52 and he added on top of that a 5th sequence composed of trump 22 trump and so when we say point card or number card when we call the court cards the honors the heads the figures or the court cards when the trumps we call them triumph or trump we are talking about the nature of what these cards are and that allows us to understand their role and also their symbolic role when we say minor arcana for me I do not know it refers to nothing there is no referent behind the word arcana in French means mystery it means nothing do you think that it is one it’s a mystery there is no minor mystery the cards at the time of the creator of the tarot are not a mystery they are cards it is the cards the cards of you you see that it is really that it happens at the end of the 18th of the 18th century minor arcana that is 19th minor arcana major arcana that is this story it was also made isabelle Nadolni had found the reference of the first mentions of this expression in the 19th century so that’s what we call minor arcana there is no minor arcana there is no major arcana there are number cards to which a lady has been added and in addition to these four series of suit signs have been added 22 trumps and it turns out that this new series of 22 trumps richly illustrated in addition to being trumps in the playful aspect and well proposes a system of representation of the humanist Christian and intellectual world of the time you see and what is this sequence trump exactly means historians are still working to try to understand it although they have advanced and so when I hear today dear fellow tarot readers say the tarot is a language to decipher and then they go on to 21st century symbolism to talk about the language of the tarot no of course that language Of course the tarot is a language my friends but if it is a language it is the language of its creator the language of the tarot is the language of the creator of the tarot and what language did he have well he was an Italian probably Florentine or Bolognese from the first part of the quatrocento who was a Catholic humanist and therefore his language that is what we find in the tarot the language of the tarot and the language of its creator who was the person I described to you that is the most realistic hypothesis my friends and this person created the tarot without between 1435 and 1440 since we now know with supporting evidence that in 1440 the tarot existed in Florence and he left to create his tarot deck from the deck of 52 cards that he expanded and enlarged with the continuation of the 22 trumps you see that is that is the initial design of the tarot and in these 22 trumps which form an intellectual sequence it is a program he said something of his time with his language of Christian humanist of 100 years and to be able to find this language we cannot stay in the 21st century we are obliged to be able to find this language we have no other choice to go back in time thanks to the tools and the historical and scientific methods to know what was the language of the Italian Christian humanists Florentine or Bolognese or Ferrari of 1435 and when we will have found their language what the content of their brain at that time what symbols they had in mind what do these symbols mean there we will get closer to the meaning of what we have in the tarot friends I think that was a perfect conclusion a big thank you to all of you for your presence this evening at this live I hope that it was clear enough for you I hope that this subject interested you and especially aroused your curiosity I hope you say to yourself well here is a slightly different way of talking about considering the tarot and it’s exciting it’s it’s fascinating there you go and to finish for all those who want after this theoretical evening to see what we can do in practice around a new draw well I invite you to register on the ticket office which you will find at the top of the chat but I will give it to you no I will give it to you yes I will give it to you tac tac don’t worry I will give it to you in the chat or in the comments but at the top of the chat if you go back up you will find the ticket office uh drawing workshop on Thursday July 3 in a week to see all this how now these cards these symbols these archetypes can be expressed in a draw what can it tell you for the time being in the 21st century how we can update these old symbols you see so that will be for the practical part and especially if all this interests you well let’s stay in touch so send me your contact details or subscribe to my newsletter you will find all the links either in the description of the video or in the chat let’s stay in touch receive my newsletter because there all summer I will launch the summer universities of my school of realistic tarot and so I can I will give conferences on specific themes I don’t know for example what are the historical objective themes of the tarot I don’t know the theme of motherhood the theme of madness the theme of power behind which figure it is expressed and so on there is so much to say and then we will still be able to do practical practical workshops and then especially from September I have all the training courses which will be 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