Le football féminin en Afrique progresse,mais le chemin reste semé d’inégalités.
Dans cet épisode de SIID, Sebe Coulibaly,footballeuse professionnelle, internationale malienneet fondatrice de Ladies Squad,revient sur son parcours de joueuse engagée —entre passion, obstacles, et volonté de changer les règles du jeu.
Face à elle, Bruno Lalande,expert du sport business et fondateur de Women Sports Africa,décrypte les enjeux d’investissement,de gouvernance et de croissance économiqueautour du sport féminin sur le continent.
CAN 2025, data, leadership, diplomatie sportive…Ensemble, ils tracent les bases d’un modèle durablepour le football féminin africain.
Deux voix, deux parcours, une ambition commune :faire bouger les lignes, et investir dans l’avenir.
🎧 Un épisode puissant — à écouter, partager, faire rayonner.
Sous-titres disponible : Français, Anglais
🎵 Musique originale DURABILIS &CO produite par ROSEGOLD SOUND
00:00:00 – Introduction et présentation du podcast
00:00:42 – Présentation des intervenants
Sebe Coulibaly : footballeuse professionnelle, internationale malienne, fondatrice de Ladies Squad
Bruno Lalande : expert sport business, fondateur de Women Sports Africa
Présentation des autres invités : Myriam Zanoubi et Aissatou.
00:03:01 – Parcours et engagement de Sebe Coulibaly
00:05:01 – Les difficultés du double projet (sport et études)
00:08:44 – Évolution des mentalités et accompagnement familial
00:10:02 – Choix de la sélection nationale : France vs Mali
00:11:36 – Parcours de Bruno Lalande et Women Sports Africa
00:17:32 – État des lieux du football féminin africain
00:27:38 – Comparatif : expérience en club vs sélection nationale
00:34:04 – Témoignages de Myriam et Aissatou
00:40:51 – Solutions et leviers pour le développement
00:52:10 – Communication, réseaux sociaux et storytelling
01:03:00 – Questions des jeunes de l’Espace Beaujon pour ls invités
01:16:16 – Dernière partie : CAN 2025 visibilité, communication, investissements, et perspectives
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Women’s Football in Africa is Making Progress — But Inequalities Persist
In this episode of SIID, Sebe Coulibaly — professional footballer, Malian international, and founder of Ladies Squad — reflects on her journey as a committed athlete, navigating passion, challenges, and the drive to change the rules of the game.
Facing her is Bruno Lalande, sports business expert and founder of Women Sports Africa, who unpacks the key issues of investment, governance, and economic growth in the women’s sports landscape across the continent.
AFCON 2025, data, leadership, sports diplomacy…
Together, they lay the groundwork for a sustainable model for African women’s football.
Two voices, two journeys, one shared ambition:
To shift the paradigm and invest in the future.
🎧 A powerful episode — to listen, share, and amplify.
Subtitles available: French, English
🎵 Original music DURABILIS &CO produced by ROSEGOLD SOUND
00:00:00 – Introduction and podcast overview
00:00:42 – Guest introductions
Sebe Coulibaly: Professional footballer, Mali international, founder of Ladies Squad
Bruno Lalande: Sports business expert, founder of Women Sports Africa
Presentation of other guests: Myriam Zanoubi and Aissatou
00:03:01 – Sebe Coulibaly’s journey and commitment
00:05:01 – Challenges of managing both sports and education
00:08:44 – Changing mindsets and family support
00:10:02 – National team choice: France vs Mali
00:11:36 – Bruno Lalande’s background and Women Sports Africa
00:17:32 – Overview of women’s football in Africa
00:27:38 – Comparison: club experience vs national team
00:34:04 – Testimonials from Myriam and Aissatou
00:40:51 – Solutions and key drivers for development
00:52:10 – Communication, social media, and storytelling
01:03:00 – Q&A session with youth from Espace Beaujon
01:16:16 – Final segment: CAN 2025 – visibility, communication, investment, and future outlook
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Welcome to SIID, the podcast exploring the sport of tomorrow. Women’s football in Africa is progressing, but the path remains strewn with inequalities. In this episode of SIID, Sebe Coulibaly, professional footballer, Malian international , and founder of Ladies Squad, looks back on her journey as a committed player— between passion, obstacles, and the desire to change the rules of the game. Facing her, Bruno Lalande, sports business expert and founder of Women Sports Africa, deciphers the challenges of investment, governance, and economic growth surrounding women’s sport on the continent. AFCON 2025, data leadership, sports diplomacy… Together, they lay the foundations for a sustainable model for African women’s football. Two voices, two journeys, one shared ambition: to shake things up and invest in the future. A powerful episode—to listen to, share, and spread the word. Hello and welcome to the SIID podcast. We’re on the fourth episode. I’m still accompanied by my faithful and loyal partner MANAKAN. Hello! Hello! How are you? How did you have a good day? Not too tired, no. I hope you’re in good shape, because the episode will be really busy. Don’t worry, we’re coming with good vibes. Okay, no worries! We’re accompanied by two exceptional guests. We’ll naturally start with the lady, of course. Hello, hello! Let me introduce myself, it’s Sebe Coulibaly, Malian international, professional footballer and I think I’ll have time to say more later. But there you go, a big football fan since my childhood. And then it will be the turn of Monsieur? So my name is Bruno Lalande, I’m a sports business expert, a committed man with media in France and Africa in particular, dedicated to women and sport. And then I’m passionate and an activist in diplomacy and geostrategy. Okay, no worries, we’ll come back to the theme of sports diplomacy because it intrigues me a little. I only know political diplomacy but sports, it’s a new term for me. No problem. Okay, and on this side of course we have SEBE who brought us two magnificent young ladies who will also introduce themselves. I’ll start. My name is Myriam Zanoubi, I’m 27 years old. Likewise, I’ve been passionate about football since I was very young. I was lucky enough to play at a professional level since I was 19. I played for Saint-Étienne, Brest and Nîmes and now, for two years now, I’ve been an international. I play in Luxembourg. Then. Hello, let me introduce myself, my name is Aissatou , I’m fifteen years old, I’m a student and I swim. Okay, a little bit passionate about football too. Or not at all? From a distance or closely or from a distance. From a distance. To a certain extent, let’s say. Well, we’ll get straight to the point. I’m going to start of course by talking to you ladies. So Sebe , can you tell us a little about your background? What made you want to play football? Because I know that at the time, it was a bit complicated. Even today, it’s complicated to play football, but I can’t imagine what it was like back then. So, back then! So I was lucky, I started playing football with my brother. It was a way for me to make my place in the neighborhood too. Because I come from a neighborhood called Les Bosquets in Montfermeil and it’s true that at the beginning, it was complicated to play football because it was a so-called masculine sport. We were immediately stigmatized. And there are prejudices, the place of women is in the kitchen You’re a tomboy, women who play football Women who play football well they don’t get married, they don’t have children, etc. So full of prejudices. And so, I was very passionate about it. And beyond football, it’s something that allowed me to feel like myself, that allowed me to feel good in my head and in my skin. And I think that it’s also a period where when you lack confidence in yourself and you go to school, you don’t have confidence. Sport is really a tool that allows you to gain confidence and self-esteem. So I persisted. Even if the parents it was complicated at the beginning That’s for sure, I imagine! It was no, you’re not going, you’re cooking, etc. I hid at the beginning and then as time went on. So, I play at Montfermeil. We change clubs because there is more room for women. I’m going to Tremblay in France today, my favorite club and I know the high level with a promotion to D2, which is equivalent to Ligue 2 for boys. And there, I’m sure that I made the right choice to start playing football, but above all to have stood up to my parents more or less because for me, it was really what I wanted to do with my life. So, there you go, after I was spotted by AS Saint Etienne. There it’s the highest level, it’s Ligue 1 and I would say that Saint-Etienne, it was the biggest failure of my football career because I didn’t manage to impose myself. But for me it was the greatest football experience of my life. Because it’s good, you played with the best players in your league next to you . Well, you progress in training even if you don’t play on weekends. And after that I was young at that time, so I gain experience. I gain maturity too. You’re leaving home! You’re leaving your comfort zone! You have to know that when you come from 93 and you go to Saint-Etienne , that’s a big change! But for you, it’s the countryside and the activities aren’t the same anymore. Yes, but it made me responsible. And on the field, I knew that I had to fight to have my place. I no longer had that ease that I had when I was at Tremblay where for me. I was always outclassed where I had the level Now that I work twice as hard to be able to have my place on the field. So I would say that was the biggest failure because I didn’t manage to assert myself, to have my place. But there you go, it allowed me to grow and it allowed me to really think and also to build myself too. But the constraints in Saint-Etienne, what were they? Were they with the teammates, the staff or the management? So in fact, that’s the whole problem with women’s football today, is that we had agents, I had one and in fact, the agents, even if they are female and the salaries are not like the men’s, there are still interests sometimes that don’t go in the direction of the player. I arrived, I had to look for an apartment, but in fact I wanted a big apartment but my salary didn’t follow. I got myself an apartment, I’m paying my first rent. But how am I going to eat? We’re not even at the end of the month, not even halfway through the month. So there was a lack of follow-up. I was too young and I simply did n’t know how to manage things beyond sport. And when I want to say things aren’t going well in your sporting life, in your personal life, it’s difficult for things to go well on the pitch. I was thinking too much about how I was going to get by financially in my studies and I wasn’t focused on being able to perform well on the field. So when you continued your football career, you followed that with studies? Exactly. But wasn’t it complicated enough for both of you? Yes, yes, it was super complicated. All day you’re at school and in the evening you have to follow up with football, you finish at 10 p.m. more or less. Then you go straight to the gym . Then you go, you go to training and you do that seven days a week. It’s exhausting, it’s tiring, but then when you’re passionate and at the beginning it’s a thrill, you just like being on the field, but then it was complicated at a certain point. The double project, you have to think about it and it’s something that I always wanted to keep because thank God, I always had this awareness that women’s football, not only does it not pay like boys’ football, and I always told myself that I’m never safe from an injury or a coach who doesn’t want you tomorrow and you have no more salary. So I’ve always thought about this double project. So I’m going to ask a question. I wonder finally I think that maybe by developing we’ll get there. Have the conditions changed, and were you as disoriented as you were by all that, are young girls who leave where they are to go elsewhere not as disoriented? Is there support that has perhaps been better put in place over the years to allow these people to not worry too much about the financial aspect and to worry more about what they are there for? Where I would say that there has been an evolution and I am proud of it. And I think that parents today follow their daughters who play football more. So I think they will be more vigilant in sending their daughters, me, the parents and basically, they didn’t even want me to leave home on the day I was supposed to leave home. It was the day I was supposed to get married. So to leave. So to leave for football or for them, it’s a male sport etc. And all that follows was not possible. But I think that parents follow their daughters more and more. I see, there are parents, they go to the detections in Metz, in Brest in the four corners of France and today there is more follow-up. I think that’s good, but I think there is still too much of the side we take the player, we promise her contracts that are very very very limited. It’s civic services, contracts that are not even the minimum wage and we ask her to be efficient, to go to work at the same time, to sometimes train young people, etc. Within the club, it’s complicated. The conditions have still evolved, but I think there is still a lot to do. So, is it the passion that drives you more, now? How did you end up going to play ? Were you born here? You grew up here We’ll say the obvious would be that you would like to play here for the national team. But what leads you to go and play more in Mali? It’s a question of. I think I was already realistic because there was a time when I think I had the level younger to be able to play for the French team. Afterwards, it’s what comes closest to you and at the time I wasn’t even thinking about playing for a national team. For me already, it was too far for me, I was just playing in a club, it was already good for me and I liked it, I liked it and then one day, someone told me there’s Mali, you should go and play. It’s the CAN. You have to know that I rarely played in small competitions, it was immediately the African Cup of Nations. And in fact I think I was more excited by the experience that it was going to give me. And then I think that’s the day I talk to my parents about it and I see they change their view of me and then I say to myself it’s weird, during all these years people don’t look at me like that, but now they take me seriously because I’m going to their country of origin. So yes, that’s it, there’s pride, there’s a change in the view. I remember my first selection when they told me I was selected. There are a lot of people who call my parents yes, your daughter, etc. She was selected by the Mali national team. And there, I saw that he was already taking me more seriously even though I had been playing football for years and above all, I felt a little pride anyway, which I hadn’t felt until then from my parents. I think that for them, it was a bit of the realization of something that he didn’t expect to see Exactly! So it does change! That’s clearly it In any case, it’s a very inspiring journey. So I. I’m going to be right away on Bruno Who also, I think will have a lot of things to tell us because you are very involved in women’s football. So first of all, what pushed you to become a football business player? And even more so in women’s football? So before answering the question, I would like to congratulate Sebé And also all the African athletes who are for me. I consider them as gladiators in fact, because she talks about her life as an athlete, her life, of anticipating the reconversion. Because otherwise, it’s not possible who has a family life, a life as a couple He raised the children and in this capacity, in any case we I am lucky to have launched a media in Africa in the 54 African countries, which is called WOMEN SPORT AFRICA whose objective is to do it I call it tam tam, the hammer therapy of scriptwriting, to show the whole world the athletes but also the women, of influence in the governance of sport, but also the presidents of the NOC, Olympic Committee, presidents of federations. And then all these humans not only the women who are committed to the service of sport. For what then? To answer the question, since the 90s, I have had a career as a consultant to all the biggest players in the sports business in the world, on almost every continent, the biggest sponsors to help them do what we call develop their revenues and then also support the sponsors to help them move forward. So, I did that for companies listed in London, so that on the US side, on the French side, I worked a lot in one cycle of my life. In 2012, I was secretary general of the sports branch of the Lagardère group, which is a large branch that was worth 1 billion and had significant assets since it managed the marketing rights of CAF. So I got a taste, if I may say so, of Africa. Then, to answer the double question, this career in the service of the sports business industry, but to grow it with, with my various clients. I was lucky enough to travel a lot all over the world. There was no press, for example in France on sports business. So I created one, sponsoring.fr. So it still exists, a media outlet that reports on everything that happens in the world of sports business in France and around the world. And then it so happens that in my career in 2014, I worked with the teams at the time on a white paper in the United States, on the advancement of women’s sport in the United States. Because in the United States, there is an economy around women’s sport, completely different from what we see in Europe or elsewhere in the world. That’s the first reason. The second reason? Personally, I’ve always preferred working with women. I’ve had great women around me, in my teams, I’ve had some not-so-great ones too. Then I’ve had some very good guys, then some not-so-great guys too. That’s life, that’s how it is. I’ve always preferred working with women. And then, personally, I’ve always found the place of women in our society to be very unfair, at least, and I would say even more so in Africa. I do a lot of exchanges with very high-level sportswomen, particularly in the African Olympics. In all countries. But women in Africa, in fact, first of all, they carry the informal economy of Africa, they carry the children, they carry the family, they carry education and they carry society in general. It’s a job all the same. And I have in mind a sportswoman where I have a show that I host every Sunday on Africa Radio, right? Yes, and I said to her, but how, How? How do you become an athlete when you say you come from Cape Verde and you did the Olympic Games and you won a medal. She told me it’s very simple actually. From two and a half years old, until seven years old, I walked fifteen kilometers a day to fetch water with my mother. That’s real life. That’s all that, I love it. And. And there is one thing that we must not forget because this is a factual reality, it is that first of all, the youth of the earth are in Africa, the youth of the earth are in Africa and it will continue to develop. And two, there will be one in two Olympic medalists in 25 years who will be African. So let’s be together, men, women, Africans, Europeans and all the others together to make our society grow. And then I am, I am driven. By sport. Because sport brings peace and we need peace. So there you go, that answers the question in a slightly deviant way . In 2016 we launched our first media called WOMEN SPORT in France. We are the media that dramatizes women in sport in France in all directions, from Madame Michu who does a little sport. The governor of sport, the Minister of Sports, a woman of influence and above all at the heart of which are the athletes. And then we decided to continue. We launched Women Sports Africa in 2020, right in the middle of COVID. And today we have a lot of partners, including ANOCA , the Association of National Olympic Committees in Africa. And we’re lucky enough to be able to broadcast our media through this network and in every country, and whatever the country, I enjoy it just as much. I was in Algeria not long ago with all the presidents of the Olympic Committee, Burkina Faso, Mali, Algeria, Morocco, Congo, Benin, and the DRC. Finally, we’re on a subject that is sport, which is good for our society. Well, that’s for sure. In any case, the idea of developing all these things, I was even going to come to WOMEN SPORT AFRICA, I think, is something quite important because I think it’s not present enough. We’ve talked about it several times here in the podcast, that women’s sport is very underrepresented on TV, in the media in general. So this kind of initiative is always good to take. So I’d like to get involved a little on the issue. Regarding African women’s football in general, based on your experience, what is the current situation? How do you see it? What is your approach to that? I do, I do the easiest job compared to SEBE and the athletes. Yes, I observe. It’s cool to observe. We observe, we see a lot of things too . What I observe is, first of all, the evolution of African women’s football . It is marked by significant progress. I like to look at the slightly positive things, so they are still very behind compared to men’s football. Finally, there’s no comparison, but I want to say above all, it’s like in France, when we look at media rights, things aren’t going very well for men’s football, which we compare to the small millions of cages. Women’s football. Well, after me, I always say that we have to, we have to be reasonable. Men’s football, the creation of the African Cup of Nations with the men, that was in 1957. Women’s football made a late start in Africa from the 1990s until the first ten women’s AFCONs in 1991. Not long ago, and before that, it was rather neglected by the federations. The second point, the performances of international players on the men’s side are omnipresent. On the women’s side, there is Nigeria, which historically dominates. In fact, African football. There is Cameroon, South Africa, and then recently Morocco, which reached the semi-finals of the AFCON in 2022, which qualified for the World Cup in 2023, South Africa, which won the women’s AFCON in 2022. But the African national teams still struggle to compete with their little friends. In the United States or Germany. Afterwards, there’s a lack of infrastructure, which is pretty much perfect, to put it like that. For men, for women, there’s a lack of infrastructure. There’s limited support, which is increasingly increasing with FIFA towards CAF, which then redistributes it to the federations. So professionalization is slow. There’s also a subject, you mentioned it, SÉBÉ , which is omnipresent: socio-cultural obstacles. It’s a reality. Women’s football often has it, but it’s also valid in France! I don’t like to oppose social prejudices considered as a masculine sport, a sport for men, which leads to less family and community support for girls. Obviously. And then it’s slowly changing thanks to increased visibility. Men’s sport is the king of sports, we see it everywhere. And women’s sport. There’s little media coverage because there’s less audience, because it drains my money. Yeah, and so it’s almost a virtuous circle. In any case, African women’s football, the reality is that it’s progressing in terms of performance. Yeah, in terms of visibility, in terms of institutional recognition. It’s lagging behind men’s football. Yes, that’s obvious. But there’s a historical delay, but things are changing, but they’re changing globally in sport too. I’ll give you an example that I follow very closely. We have an African woman today who is President of the International Olympic Committee, Kirsty Conventry, President of the International Olympic Committee, an African woman, the IOC, IOC. It’s quite extraordinary. She takes office on June 25. In Zimbabwe, the Minister of Sports today. The only men’s summit in world sport is led by an African woman . So things are moving forward. Yes. I’m lucky enough to be close to the President of ANOCA and to be with all the presidents… constantly. There are more and more women in the national Olympic committees. So you’re going to tell me yes, today there is only one woman on the executive committee of the Comorian CAF, KADIZA, but she’s there. So there you go, yes, it’s slow, it started later. When you start later, it takes just as long, but it changes mentalities. SEBE said it, it’s very important. They change, but we have to integrate families too. And then you have to, you have to be reasonable, it’s not possible as you explain. You are not an isolated case. When you arrive at your club, you have to mentally concentrate 99.9% on your training, your game. If you have 80% of your mental bandwidth saying damn, I’m not going to eat the end of the month, pay the rent, I’m not going to pay it. And the car, what do I do? Well, it has to be regulated, so it’s part of the governance. In March 2025, the CAF launched a program to train women in governance, as did the French Olympic Committee. The program includes 300 women leaders. So, things are indeed not moving fast enough. At this point, I’m going to ask you the question: Whose fault is it, in general, for this lack of development? To men, to women themselves, I think. Society? So there’s a historical delay, the fault. The fault is the historical delay because it’s easy to say it’s your fault, what will it achieve? What matters is how we make it go faster? There you go. Okay. The historical delay. And then women’s football. In any case, we need economics, sports business monetization. Monetizing women’s sport isn’t going to work like men’s sport. But precisely, what are the solutions we can provide? There are multiple solutions. From the institutional, as I mentioned, to the leaders, they go through… what I do at my small level. But having media windows to dramatize all these women, that’s me. I don’t pass. I love having discussions with African sportswomen, they are full of stories of commitment, resilience, strength to tell, it gives, it inspires young people who are the youth of the whole world. I recently enjoyed in Abidjan, a rural neighborhood, giving my magazine to a thirteen-year-old girl… and I went to get her medal and there you go, You have to give a little hope. After that, it’s hard, you have to work. We have sportswomen here. Yeah, it’s super engaging and it’s a lot, a lot, a lot of work. But hey, either you’re an absolute genius and the majority, you have to be talented to be talented, to work, work, work, work, work and it’s very hard. It’s true that the context itself, let’s say in general, not only in Africa, even here, women are still perceived as a little maternal. We still have this role where we are a little in a certain romanticization in which we are put. So when you’re an African woman, it’s twice as much for you. Yeah, yeah, it’s the man. Women, even in general, don’t get by. You’re forced to work twice as hard. So we were even able to produce a report on the African Cup of Nations. I think you were able to receive some pretty telling figures on the evolution of women ‘s participation in football. And we realize that, yes, there’s a historical delay, but it’s starting to increase little by little, even if the public doesn’t follow. But we realize that there are more and more women who are interested and who participate. Look, in the 2000s, there were about 50 matches for women. You have 300 matches for men. The gap is big and we’re in the 2020s. We have about a hundred matches, a little less and still the same average for men 300 that, let’s say for men, it fluctuates. doesn’t go up too much anymore, but for women, it’s starting to go up more and more, even if there are still some efforts to be made. So I think as you were able to say Bruno. There is the socio-cultural aspect, the perception that we have in general of women So as long as we have this perception, it will indeed be difficult to monetize something. What, we don’t have, we don’t have an appetite or we don’t have an attraction. So beyond that, as said, we can ask ourselves 1001 questions, but I think that’s the action. that it’s action that’s worth a thousand words yes, but in any case effectively with media windows that are offered to women, we have more and more participation and more and more young ladies who want to participate, to do sport. Just how long ago? We don’t know at all. I would like to add a very important point because we also work a lot with data, which we publish in WOMEN SPORT In socio-cultural brakes, there is a subject. I like to put words to things. The theme of violence and harassment. It doesn’t only exist in Africa, it also exists in France. It’s a real subject. Things are changing too, but it’s a real issue because we have to protect our young girls from these issues that are actually not possible and are even more tragic. I want to say it in Africa, when I say me, I have a lot of African sports friends who keep their mouths shut because the sanction , you’re not going to be sent to qualify there and that’s not possible. It’s a real issue. The AFD works a lot with round tables, but I can’t help but talk about this subject every time because it’s a real issue and it’s also what will change the sociocultural situation. So slowly, because we don’t change the things of the day, but it’s valid in France too. There are a lot of taboos about it. It’s a subject that needs to be talked about. SEBE, since Bruno is an observer of African football. You, you’re on the field. Can you give us a comparison between African football, what you experienced in the selection with Mali? And what you experienced in a club! What is the difference between the two? So I would say that in France, I played in France or in other foreign countries. I would say that we have, we had, we have infrastructure, we. Even if sometimes it is still difficult to get certain hours, etc. We have coaches who are sometimes qualified, who are competent, etc. I am not saying that Africa is not competent, but I am coming to it and I want to say the biggest difference that I saw when I went to Africa. I think it was adapting to the mentality and I come to sometimes people say to me SEBE not everything is said I have reached a stage where, in my life, where for me, everything is said with the right manner. Sometimes people say to me you have stopped the selection. No, I have not stopped the selection. It’s just that I was confronted with certain situations that go against my value. In France, when I play football, even if there is a lot to say about France and I don’t compare. That’s why I like this side where we observe, we don’t compare more the culture makes that certain things can or cannot be compared. It’s that we go to play football, we go home, that’s it, we have contracts, we have. There are things that are put in place in Africa, what struck me and bothered me the most is that sometimes I saw, I was confronted with quite a few situations that really made me uncomfortable. I arrive in my national team. First selection already I arrive. I see girls who have been circumcised, girls who have been forced into marriage or girls who have already had a difficult journey, who don’t really have a family, who are in situations, I want to say, it’s not even precarious, it’s situations where football is what will allow them to save their lives, it’s where they feel best, etc. And me, when I arrive and I see that there is an institution there and that doesn’t put these players in the best conditions, while they have decided to wear the color of the country, the color of the country’s jersey, these are things that bother me. I could very well have stayed in my place, as they say. Expatriates, we are well looked after, we are there! apart from the problems of plane tickets, etc. What we have to touch, we will end up touching. But these girls, who are there and who grew up there, are confronted with another reality, another reality. We’re not going to give them their salary sometimes if they’re selected. Well, you have to give part of your salary. I hear these things when I hear them, even if that’s what I’m told every time. You’re going to do justice for everyone, but I can’t. Living in a world where I’m in my micro-society, where I feel injustice, it’s not possible. And sometimes the girls have to do it as they go along. They started asking me, me who had just come from the selection to go and talk to the institutions etc. And that’s something. I think I had a hard time just living. And I think that not the institution, the staff members and etc. understood very quickly that I was arriving, that there is a system that had been in place for years and years and I’m arriving. I’m not a person and I want to turn everything upside down, but in fact, it’s not wanting to turn everything upside down, it’s changing things so that these girls are owed, I think, their due simply because they work hard, they are in situations as I told you earlier, which are incredibly precarious, very precarious. We can’t take the sweat of their brow. That’s something that I have a hard time accepting and I want to say, it’s the difference that struck me the most. Because in France, we’re lucky that we have a contract. Well, even if sometimes there are abuses, etc. But when you write things down in black and white and it’s signed, well, you can always sue the person, you can always fight for your rights. Well, as he said so well, excuse me, Bruno… sorry, excuse me, there are a lot of women who are silenced in Africa, and I am one of them. And they can’t speak out because you lose the selection, you lose your life. In the end, I think it’s beyond women, even in football, if we have people who are lucky enough to play in big clubs, people who are in small selections experience more or less the same. But for women, I think it’s even worse because there is no framework in place here. The difference, there’s a framework as you say, there are contracts. There’s something that’s well established, if you can’t, we end up in court, that’s exactly it! Over there, you’ll go to court often. Over there, you’ll go to court often. Well, we’re not going to comment. But indeed, it is. It’s true that mentality can be a barrier, a little. Yes, very disabling but terribly unfair too. Yes, it’s true that it’s not fair. No, it’s not fair, it’s not possible. So things change so slowly that we should speed them up a little. But well, after all, I think we should speed them up, but there are things that I have. That’s why I say maybe with his point of view, his observer side. So there are things today where you can explain certain things to me, but for example it’s sometimes bringing people together where you know that well, they haven’t been up to the task, or they’ve done harm etc. For me it’s more that side. Afterwards we know Africa, well that’s it. We know what’s happening off the record etc. But it’s more that side that… for me… I don’t want to lose my pleasure and my passion for an individual. I love football too much for anyone to take it away from me, for a person or people to take it away from me or make me disgusted with this sport. It’s not possible. And I can’t be in a place where I feel that I benefit or have privileges. Whereas on the pitch there are eleven of us, sixteen of us, sometimes more. We are a whole group, especially when you defend the colors of your country, I want to say a whole homeland. I understand that. You have to understand that we’re not alone and I can’t be in a place with so much injustice. It’s not possible, Me! But have you recently been able to see some evolution in the Malian national team? It’s difficult to see any evolution. Let’s just say minimal. But minimal. What I have… Yes, that’s what I like a lot. Yes, I see, it’s that more and more players are leaving the country, being recruited by big clubs like PSG, Fleury, Guingamp, etc. And I think that they too see another kind of football and another way. And an open mind. And I think that they are also becoming aware of their value. And that’s important that they actually come back . I’m coming back to my point from earlier about the historical delay in men’s and women’s football. In fact, the same thing will happen in women’s sport , but we’re just behind because it will come later . So yes, of course. And then the players, before that, they will play in their national team, they will perform, so they will, it’s virtuous, they will pull them up. I’m sure you want Mali to win the CAN? Of course . I hope so. But all of that is a virtuous circle, in fact, in which there must be. We’ll come back to that perhaps later. There must be more savings because there is more savings, because there must be more savings in the federations and the players to have living situations that are not in total precariousness, but which are still more reasonable. And all of this will take its time. I’m going to give you a figure and surprise you. Do you know, for the Rio Games in 2016? What was the percentage of French athletes who had a salary below extreme precariousness ? 46% I’m talking about French athletes. But imagine African athletes . There is a lot of work done. And for the Paris Olympic Games, we are a few years later, there were almost no more. So there are things, things are evolving and it’s a gem. Athletes for a country anyway because the President of the Republic, he’s always there during the victory In the photo, that’s it, it’s a reality, it’s wearing the colors of a country and you make it shine, we were talking about diplomacy earlier, shine internationally. Yeah, so it’s not neutral. So we also have to put a little yes it’s not moving fast enough. After you spoke with you have two channels to be able to talk about women’s sport, when you actually see with the actors of sport, finally the media in our African countries, are they playing? Are they doing their part of the job? How could they do better? For me in any case, I don’t watch much sport, but for what I do watch, I see that there is a very small window dedicated to women’s sport. a very small window I’m going to answer you by saying that the African and international media can play a fundamental role in accelerating the emergence of women’s sport in terms of visibility, promotion, and getting more matches. The media. That’s what I do at my own small level. But we create inspiring stories, we tell stories, and we have stories of SEBE. She is inspiring. There are so many inspiring stories. And then also give glitter to young people. I want to go there because I’m going to do it. And if they can do it, I can do it too. There’s a problem I mentioned earlier about the gender stereotype that is slowly changing but is starting to shift, is starting to change. And I believe that the media have a fundamental role to play on this subject, whether here or in Africa. Afterwards, we must educate journalists who have habits that are to their detriment. Finally, even if we have the right to change and recover a little, we must, we must work and dramatize more. And the more players we have who come to play in Europe, the more it will make people want to do reports on this or that player. So it’s a virtuous model. But the media, for me, is fundamental. For me, my editorial coverage is 100% about women, almost, there’s little news for men because I don’t oppose one to the other, but Women Sports is made up of nothing but that. Here are several. The only media in France that since 2020 produces and pays journalists every day to dramatize women for public opinion. So you have to be patient and very patient, even if they are patient, even the most dramatized ones, and the media, they have a fundamental role on this subject, it’s undeniable. I wanted to ask Myriam and Aissatou a little . We talked a little about perception in relation to here and there. I think: Do you have Myriam, for example? Do you have visibility from there and here, or is it more? The problem for me is that I didn’t have the chance to play for my national team, so talking about a subject I don’t understand would be biased . But already as a woman, in your practice of sport, have you encountered obstacles at your level or have you rather been encouraged? Already the first obstacles, as SEBE said, are family obstacles, that is to say, it’s the way the family looks. These are the remarks we hear, yeah, you don’t go out in your shorts , stay at home, or what are the neighbors going to say? In fact, it’s full of remarks. Afterwards, I was lucky to have a pretty strong character which meant that, well, actually, I don’t care what you want, it’s none of my business, I’m going to go and enjoy myself outside, in fact, that’s what also allowed me to go out, so you can’t take that away from me. In any case, it allowed you to access. You live in Luxembourg? Yes, for two years, for two years. And there, you’re thriving. Who was well received? Well, Luxembourg is a country, it’s, I would say, in terms of football, it’s a little less important than in France! But in terms of infrastructure and resources, it’s way above. Afterwards, the choice was very easy for me to make because when I came to France, the conditions weren’t great. As SEBE said, we were often under civic apprenticeship contracts. And when you arrive in a country where you’re given more resources, the level is lower. But well, for me, the conditions side took precedence over the practice. And you, Aissatou? After everything we’ve said, is that an idea? Was it something for you at all, you had no approach to it? Have you ever asked yourself the basic question? No, just as a listener, because these are questions that we can ask ourselves or not, but look at it from a distance at all. In fact, your question is this, what does everything we tell you evoke in you? Because we have the impression that it’s easier. Look, for example, SEBE tells you that when she plays here. She has her realities and when she goes to Africa, the reality is completely different. What about you? Does that inspire you? A little, that, that may not inspire you at all, that’s it, yeah. She has the right. It can sometimes inspire you at all. But maybe you, who do a little sport, you say to yourself that it’s still a bit hot. You see, but I have a question for Bruno. I really like it. Already when I get home, I think there’s something we don’t do as female footballers. It’s knowing our own history, when I say our own history, it’s not our history, our personal identity, it’s our history to know that there’s a gap, even if we know it, we’re aware that, the boys, they’re where they are today because for a very long time, they’ve been playing football long before. But to know, to know these figures and to know where we are in relation to At our creation date, I want to say, it’s very important because we too must be aware, patient, but impatient and not rush things sometimes. Now, my question is that I think we’re reaching a point. For example, if my feelings in France where I have the impression that things are stagnating. A few years ago, my agent told me but SEBE I have a good opportunity for you in Italy, but what am I going to do in Italy? It’s as if you were sending me to play in a remote corner. Football wasn’t developed enough, we didn’t hear about Italy or even Spain. Today, we have countries like Spain and Italy. Everyone wants to go and play there and France, we’re leaving. How? We’re reaching a point where we’re stagnating so much and neighboring countries are starting to take over. Thank you for that question. Apparently you were waiting for it. Yeah. Not at all . Maybe there’s no answer. I’ll tell you something. In 2001, I was in Beijing at a professional sports trade show and I was talking with Robert Louis-Dreyfus at the time, who asked me the question about why media rights in 2001? Why are the major media outlets in the Premier League, the Bundesliga and La Liga in Spain so powerful compared to France? It’s always been… in 2001. I don’t know how to answer that question. What I actually observe is that when I see the power of a Mégane Rapinoe in the United States, the phase advance of the money that it attracts to the service of women and sport. In France in particular, it’s Jean-Michel Aulas and the French Federation still, who lives, who has just taken charge with the creation of a league. And it’s last year, that’s clear. Last year, so we’re behind. In France too, but it’s moving forward. Women’s football, whether in Germany, England, or Spain, is there, a little further ahead. So that’s the first point. Then the second point is that, in fact, there are no savings that would be made today in football, in women’s football. I challenge you to name me all the sponsors of women’s football. There are a few like Arkema, which invested early in the service of women’s sport, football in particular, with a league, a league that was born in May. There are players like Intermarché, Opération des Sensationnels. There you go. But go ahead, name me some others perhaps. Dominos. I don’t know if you paid, but it’s going to be Dominos, Dominos, Conforama, Stop! Okay, so that’s masculine, sorry. Exactly. It’s masculine. And who can say Yes, Mr. Orange, but these are, I was going to say, derivative products of a partnership with the men’s team. So the brands, they will also commit over time. And pioneers like Arkema, we must salute them, come forward. They are not there, they do not exist. There is not one therefore. So there you go, to answer your question, same thing we are late, we do not know because we are historically behind. We must stop complaining, but rather than complaining, we must look for solutions and it will be fine and it will change over time. No, no, I tell myself data, it is very important in all of this. to collect all the information to allow people to make an assessment. It also allows us to move forward. Hence the idea of the report: one to move forward and two, if there is no data. It’s very simple, investors do not come. In fact, data allows us to anticipate, to frame. And then it also allows for measurement during. Today, I measure for rights holders around the world. And the measurement is to define an ROI (return on investment). If there’s no data, it doesn’t work. And if there’s no data, investors don’t come. There you go, it’s not more complicated than that. So yes, data is valuable, important in the world of sport. It’s increasingly omnipresent in improving performance. There’s something extraordinary today with data. And so yes, data helps to save money. I think that’s what you do with your Global Analytics company? Yes, yes, we have a company, yes, that’s dedicated to that. Our job is to work on data for rights holders or for very large rights holders. In the USA, Europe , and Asia. But on the sponsorship issue, it’s the issue of measuring media audience rights that allows us to develop the revenue of this rights holder. Okay, you do it on women’s sport where it’s specific sports. We do it where there is a lot, a lot of money, so still marginally today in women’s sport. Um, I’m not saying we don’t do it, but marginally. But look at football, football in Europe, the economy on the men’s Champions League, yes, there is still a gap that we put on the French men’s TV rights, about 1.1 million plus one in it’s not much, but same thing, we come back to the same observation. And then. But things change. I think it will continue to change. Yes, it will also take time to shorten this time. And then especially because SEBE if it doesn’t exist, there is no football If there are no athletes , there is no sporting spectacle, there is no income, there is no money. So I find it extremely unfair to be able to give a sorry, shaky contract to an athlete, on the contrary, we have to pamper them after the same thing, it takes economy to do it. And precisely, you spoke a little earlier about the United States. Precisely They, they are ahead of the rest of the world. But what went through their heads? To say we’re going to invest in the economy, Women’s sport, since you were there, the United States is always ahead of the curve on. So in the United States, there is an insane economy on football. At university, it’s not the same models. Yeah, it’s in their nature. So I think they are bankable They put money on everything so you never know. Yes, culture. And then you have to manufacture, you have to manufacture icons. Yes, Megan Rapinoe, Alex Morgan! Not even. But on the observation level, damn it, but it’s Come on, come on! Extraordinarily good at pulling world football to a different level. And role models, they’re going to change things. Let’s take a recent example of a French player at Roland-Garros, who went from two 631st, that’s going to change the income . Yes, we’ve had them. We need a lot of them, in fact. And yet, there are a lot of them in France, Sakina Karchaoui. It’s because I think we don’t have big titles yet, if there are no titles, it’s going to be complicated. When I have titles in the national team, I think we need the United States, it’s the land of possibilities. For them, everything is possible. While that’s happening! But Africa is also an UNpossible country, UN-POSSIBLE . Everything is possible, in fact. Yes, it’s mental strength. Nothing is impossible. They’re very much in the picture. Yes, in fact, they can take the wind out of your sails and make something extraordinary out of it. The wind that you see every day. But then you need sporting results, Yeah, you have to. But all that is virtuous, you have to tell inspiring stories. They put you in the right conditions, SEBE, you can tell your story, you have to tell your life story, your work. To young girls in Africa, but not only in Africa, also in Île-de-France. During the Olympic Games, I was at the Africa station in Saint-Denis every day from 8 a.m. to midnight. We also made recordings to interview athletes. They also tell their story to younger generations. And not excluding families. Because families need to hear, in fact. And the point of view, those that they saw what you felt. Of course, what you say about it, if you don’t have, if you don’t have a little backbone and stomach, that’s really good. You apply yourself and you don’t do it, you have this chance to have this ability to say yes, I understand you with great respect, but in fact I’m going to do it anyway. I have friends who have, it’s the same thing who gave up. who gave up. Yes, I have friends who have given up, but of course, of course, you have to have a popular mental strength that imagines. But of course, of course, you have to have a mental strength . Imagine, you have to confront your family. We’re not talking about strangers. But we’re talking about your family. Of course, and myself. Until today, there are families who come and knock on my parents’ door and say, Oh, but my daughter, she plays soccer because of your daughter. If you let her play, it’s already because before, you might not have let her play, and for me, it’s also my victory. We have to address all of that . Well, that’s it, we have to really integrate, we really have to integrate families because they need to be reassured on all aspects, they need to be reassured. There has to be, there has to be, there has to be a general framework. We’re not going to blame them for wanting to protect their children. We protect them in their mental scheme by saying that it’s a bad choice, so it’s not necessarily a bad choice. There’s the double hat, You had done it The majority of African sportswomen that I know, they have a double hat. Yeah, she works and is an athlete at the same time and so it’s possible. Yes and I’m coming back to the family side, what I mean is a bit off topic, but it’s to be taken into account. For example, when I went to play in Africa, my mother was extremely scared, but because she knows Africa and I don’t know Africa. That is to say that when I left the first time, she let me go and come back. And I liked that side of her where she was always open to us discussing football, but also extra football. And when I came back from football, there are things that we don’t know. I know that they are very much in everything that is. For example in Africa, one, we’ll say the words as they are. They are often in the stories of marabouts, in the. Uh, well, to win, you have to do if the rituals are very much in the rituals. I’m coming. Well, we don’t have the same rituals, I’m coming. And what I mean is that for example, I’m someone who I really don’t like to eat. I need my cappuccino before playing. That’s my ritual in France. Yeah, but then you arrive, they say you have a ritual. Well, okay, everyone has a ritual, but no, it’s a ritual that’s different. I’m asked to do things and you’re not used to it. And that’s also things. You have to prepare yourself mentally. You don’t know, but I think you have to be aware of that. And sometimes they call me, they tell me yes, there’s a player who’s going to play in Africa, etc. And sometimes I talk to him about that and it’s something, maybe I would have liked to hear before leaving. Rituals, well when you’re not prepared, it may not be shocking, but it can be weird for you quite simply. That’s it, that’s exactly it. And so, what I liked was that when I came back and I immediately said to my mother, “Ah, but that, I found that weird.” Especially since we were raised in a Muslim family , our way of practicing. It wasn’t at all the one I had seen there even though they are also Muslim. So in fact, it’s as if I arrived there right away. I am confronted with two ways of living my religion. Yeah, and so I said to my mother, but yeah, that’s weird, they asked me to do rituals for us, it’s association, but for them it’s doing causes, it’s a whole system, etc. And my mother took the time, explained things to me, etc. And I think that if I had stayed like that, maybe in my silence and I had just found it weird, I wouldn’t have wanted to return to my country. But there you go, my mother, she taught me a lot and that’s why. It’s enriching too. It is. She taught me a lot after all about tradition, customs, rituals, etc. and that some were confronted with that, etc. But knowing the history of your country is also important. Involving, hence involving families effectively after me I find in the people, Yes exactly After me I find in the …. in the points of improvement to try. I think that you have an enormous responsibility to be able to pass on that. That in your country and also for those who will come and follow your trajectories. First point I think and I don’t see it enough, there are some who do it really well. I think that there are male football players who should give back to their community. I find that I am very friendly with them, with a soccer player from the DRC who played in Monaco, who played in the United States who opened a just enormous and brilliant foundation in Kinshasa called the Foundation ….. which allows to give a little structure to young people. Football and then to inspire them. And there, with his wife are really committed. I think that it should be accelerated because it does it would do good. I experienced something, I tell you it on purpose, because I loved it. One Sunday morning, I am in Raincy with a friend who is Senegalese, who made 180 selections for the French team and then Diandra, basketball captain for the French team there are 150 kids in Drancy. Everyone is of African origin. plays with the players. The thing, then after they are on stage, in a theater. Yeah, And then on stage, the girls like to tell their life stories. Then at the same time, there’s Isabelle Moreno who’s there, who says that, well, yeah, she comes from Cape Verde. Her parents are illiterate. She had been the boss of IBM, Minister of the Republic. There was a girl from TF1, a journalist who also came from Drancy at the end of the day. But kids, they have sparkles in their eyes. With what’s happening today in France, I think we should. I do it a lot. I like to do these round tables or I like it when we have young people with us, us old people, especially me. We come and tell real-life stories. There were women, It has to change and we’re going to help change. Believe in yourselves! Dare to dream! Do it. The world is changing and it will change with you because it’s not the old people who are going to change the world. Yes! We need to have inspiring role models, is that it? Yes, but yes. Afterwards, do the athletes in question want to be role models? In fact, I think so. Yes, from the moment you stand out from the crowd, yes, you carry a story, you carry something, then you have to dare to talk about it too. It’s not easy to talk about it, especially when you have to do prevention. knowing that we’ve all experienced things more or less in clubs. Yes, but talking about it isn’t easy, is it? Yes, it’s not easy. In fact, it depends on the audience, you see, there are people who actually have trouble verbalizing it in the media, but when they find themselves in front of the public concerned, they will explain things to you, but in a very clear way. There are people who just don’t want to be in the media, so the goal isn’t media coverage but sharing. That’s why he’s talking about a round table , but it’s so unfair not to be able to say it because it’s the victim herself who’s the one who’s involved. There you go, I loved it. I have two sports friends, a Moroccan African fencing champion named Camélia El Kord, and then a Senegalese friend who competed in the Paris Olympic Games. Bineta, who, with one of our partners, launched a great campaign against female genital mutilation in Africa. This is what is needed, what must be done regularly. Yes, we must be able to talk about it. There are more and more things that work. There are things that allow us to talk when we are not able to talk with third parties who are able to refer. So, there are solutions that exist. Afterwards, in fact, the subject is to talk about it. In fact, I also think that data, data is very important, it allows us to establish an observation, as I said earlier, and to be able to improve things. So we realize that, for example, to come back to the figures, the host countries have a completely different reception for the public. the men’s and women’s CAN. You who have, who have been able to experience it. I think you can tell us a little about it, but I think there was, as there is still a big difference, whether in the enthusiasm or even in the welcome. But after the boys, apart from the opening ceremony where I can see that maybe there is a difference, etc. In any case, in our welcome, I always found that the welcome was after maybe, I don’t know if it’s because I’m content, but I always found that the welcome was incredible. That is to say that you arrive, there is the bus that bears the name of your country, you are welcomed by a large community of your country. As for the conditions, frankly I have always been received in the best conditions. I would say for my part during competitions, during major competitions. Don’t we also sometimes be content? Because in any case, with the study, which we were able to establish, we saw that there were still some small differences. The reception dedicated to men and women. On the other hand, we realize that women tend to play better. That is to say Apparently the statistics in women’s football are much more interesting than in men’s football Because I think that when you come and you know that there is no one who supports you, you support yourself At a certain point, you say to yourself, well listen. I am here for the passion and I think that most of the women who play, it is a lot the passion that carries you because if you want to look at the salary, you do not go, It’s clear Yes it’s sure Do you know, the proportion of men and women who watched the Women’s World Cup in France in 2019? The majority of audiences were male. It’s, we know why, Why? No but we must not be mean. But men, we know very well why. Women’s football And what is the reason? What is the reason? No, no, it’s not mean Not sure that it is the majority of men. I don’t agree with her, but we’ll let this vote be heard. We’ll see what she says! In fact, we experienced it on our scale around the fields, the men who come and whistle at you, the outfits today, shorts, they are getting shorter and shorter , tight outfits, white outfits, there are lots of things that come into play. I think it’s a hypersexualization that attracts them. In fact. I agree with her on that side! There are the men who come to the edge of the fields . We’re going to do studies on that. There I agree on that. But on the other hand, where I don’t agree is that I find that the first people who give me strength are first of all men before women. And even when I watch, whether in the stadiums or when I watch, when we go to a stadium to watch matches, the people there are more men . I don’t think that all the people present are perverts. I’m not saying that, but we always hear in the background the majority. There are people who really like sports, they are passionate. Otherwise, in general we are passionate. I’m not talking about that side! I’m just talking about what I’ve heard and what I’ve seen personally . Yes, of course, most of the time. Well, the most famous player, Karchaoui, is because she’s pretty. Otherwise, you can have a player who is maybe strong too, but we’ll talk about her less because she’s less attractive. There’s this reality there too! Afterwards, it’s perhaps the conception that we have of… No, for me it’s the experience. It’s really something that I’ve experienced. Yes, we understand that. Yeah, but after that, it bothers me. Okay, the boys come to watch the matches. But why do they come to watch the match? I’m going to sound rude. But I think women prefer to see David Beckham than Ribéry. No? No, you’re a player We’re talking about a supporter You’re obviously right I know men who go to the pitch…well , after all, it’s a lost cause for Ribéry, you’re partially right, but I think he’s generally wrong. Yes, there are some guys. It’s making remarks, totally inappropriate sexist remarks. Well, you, you go, you want, you can’t change them, I’ll… But it’s not it’s not the majority What I mean is that men watch women’s football. It’s rather good news because they are targets that interest the advertising market and therefore they will bring in revenue. Afterwards, we have to fight. But I want to tell you what you say about… me… I’m lucky to have two daughters who lived and who live partly in Ile de France. When they tell me about their lives just to get from my house by metro and I ask them why you’re in jeans and covered like that in August, the answer is more or less like this. So yes, there’s still work to be done. We have some little questions from young people from the Beaujon area. They have lots of questions, but unfortunately we won’t be able to ask them all. So let’s go with the first question, I hope you can hear. What can boys and the public do to support women’s football? Good question. Boys and the public to support women’s football, buy tickets, go see all the matches, that will give them the resources to watch TV to increase the audience. Buy our jerseys. Buy the merchandise . The merchandise and then encourage their little sister to play football. Yes, and support them too. Question number two: Are there as many opportunities for little girls as for boys? To access football clubs? That’s a good question . Are there the same opportunities? There are more men’s clubs, so yes, there are places where there isn’t even a women’s club. Again, okay, comes from the Gard. We were there last week. There are little girls we met who want to play football, but there isn’t a women’s football club. Whereas today, almost everywhere you want in France, you’ll find a small pub club, a small football club, and one that welcomes boys but not necessarily girls. So I think that from the start we don’t have the same opportunities, even if things are progressing well. Can we really hope for more investment in women’s football? Bruno will start. If I answer no. And yes, of course. Of course yes. It’s a historic delay, we talked about it today, it will come. Certainly not in a model of symmetry known in men’s football. Hmm, I’m saying certainly not. Yeah, there are lots of things I don’t know, I’m saying certainly not. But there is, yes, of course, no reason , and it will come. Do you think, Bruno, that … Do you think that… I often say we shouldn’t watch women’s football the same way we watch men’s football because people tend to compare women’s and men’s football? Do you think we should almost create an institution separate from the French Football Federation, but more exclusively for women, or do you think that would disadvantage women’s football, which is what I believe? Above all, it’s that maybe, and I observe tennis, which is rather ahead of the curve in terms of income distribution. I observe that in tennis, for example, there are fewer sets. So I say to myself, maybe because the morphology isn’t the same, maybe we should experiment with changing rules based on the size of the court. I like space. No, but I don’t know. I’m giving, I’m giving an opinion. Afterwards, on the gender issue, a federation, a league, I don’t really have an opinion. I think that I think it’s part of the time . What’s happening in France is very good and well done, notably by one of the men who has invested the most personally, Jean Michel Oem, in the service of women’s football. Since we’re talking about brands, he’s still one of the people who has invested their own money in the service of when we do this and we really believe in it. So we have to respect that. After the models, I don’t really have an opinion, but historical delay, it will come. Okay, well, we’re going to tackle the last part which of course, the CAN which is coming in 2025 on July 5 , how do you feel about Mali? SEBE? No, she’s going to tell you that Mali will lose, Mali will win. Are you sure? Sure and certain? I think we have a team. Honestly, I think we have a team. Honestly, yes. I seriously think so. Yes, maybe because I’m Malian, I’m not objective. I see the other teams, I know they’re really strong, they’re tough, but I think we’ll be far from being ridiculous. I believe you. I think we qualify for the. For the second phase, the second phase. So are you among the favorites for you or the outsiders? No, no, no, I put myself, I don’t put us among the favorites, After maybe I lack objectivity but I like what I see. Yeah, And Bruno, you have favorites. So for me, my name, my favorite, is the one who will win. Because I will continue, because it will have been the best. Then, I am for alternation, so. To stay in place and not waver, I think Mali has a chance. And I think that if Morocco is extremely committed, but on sport In general, in the next 30 years, we have a good chance. And then I hope, But I want to tell you what I experienced, watching the two Roland Garros finals. I hope there will be surprises, but until the end, that, that, that creates drama. And that generates audiences. Loïs Boisson had the best audience on France Télévisions, the best audience on France Télévisions. She’s an athlete, so I hope there will be surprises. It will play out until the last minute with the one we deserve who will win. Now, we see that today we are in the era of social networks where there are storytellings that bring out people who were there. But I have the impression that in the field of sport, it is not used enough to show what should be seen in this case. Female athletes or sportswomen don’t put themselves forward enough. Is it because you’re more inspired by sport, by the game, than by the communication aspect, which is also important? I agree. There’s this side where we don’t play enough with our image. I totally agree. Why? I don’t know. There are some who do it, and when they do, they have visibility. The players who are known today are those who are present on social networks. Exactly . That’s totally true. It can be a channel to allow people to be a little more interested. And then, I think there’s this question of humility, embarrassment, or not knowing how to do it too, I don’t know. But it’s true that it’s also a lack of supervision. Perhaps also a lack of supervision from clubs, federations, etc. Maybe it’s also a generational issue, but the average age in Africa is 19. So social media, plus population growth and incomes have changed too . And I’m sure, if we spend five minutes asking you both about how you use Instagram in your daily lives, it’s not quite the same. So I think we need training to explain that it’s a source of income at some point, to show young people. So social media, yes, will be decisive in careers and it’s a channel that must be used. If you look at the fact that even in 24 hours, someone who has a social problem, who has a small housing problem, in less than 24 hours, there are channels of thousands, hundreds of thousands. Afterwards, I think there’s that side. And for example, I was, it was the CAN, I don’t know anymore, it was. I think that at the 2018 CAN, I think, where it was a player who showed her life on social networks and who was vandalized because I think she had missed a penalty or something like that, I don’t remember what it was. And in fact there is this side too where I remember it, the 2018 CAN, we reached the quarter-finals in the newspapers, they put the amount that each player won. I go to the market, but it’s actually, it’s when you expose your life. You have to know that there is the good side. And there is also the side where people, they called my parents. I had become a millionaire when they weren’t at all on that side either. You have to know what to expose? Yeah, I think you have to know what to expose. It’s mainly the sport itself. But people will follow. You reached the quarter-finals, semi-finals. The newspapers, they show it, etc. They will know. It’s you, well… Even without that, don’t people follow you? No, but I think it’s a really powerful channel. Yes, because for you, there are people who are in remote villages in the depths, but who manage, for example, to get a well or something financed just by a video that someone has crossed. Because before, since before TV, TV remains local. But now, with the internet, with Tik Tok and other things, apparently it goes very quickly. Otherwise, it goes so quickly that I say to myself it’s a little surprising that they don’t use it. There are so many. They talk about stories, inspiring stories, which can really push young girls to go into sport and also allow people to say to themselves ah but there is still something behind it. Afterwards, in their defense, there are two parameters that are fundamental on social networks. The first is that to have a large community that allows you to generate money, it has to be done well all the time. You have to feed it every day. It’s a real job! An athlete doesn’t have time for all that. So that means you have to have the means to pay the community manager and the video team who follow the editing everywhere, right? It’s also this constraint of bandwidth, time and means to make something beautiful. Because to have 3 million followers on Instagram, yes, it starts to be monetizable Yeah, but it’s done with a little structure and then time, a lot of time when she starts to have a little staff to do it. So it’s also this subject. Indeed, it’s a whole organization. It takes general supervision, that’s it, quite complicated for an athlete to do it but it could still be quite good. It’s true that people are more, people are so voyeuristic You just have to come and explain. your struggles You explain your happiness, there aren’t many people but when you explain Ah no, I suffered, I took it in two days, I couldn’t find my shoes with one foot. when you finish explaining that It takes turns No but in fact, it still creates something. Everyone needs to find themselves in the story at a certain point and that helps create emulation around it. So maybe that can also be a way, a little lead, a lead, it’s precisely do you feel ready to share your story, whether it’s you or Myriam? if you feel ready to expose yourself. But it’s different. That’s the term expose, it’s something else entirely. In fact, I’m very comfortable with telling my story. Sometimes people say should the article be anonymous. I say no! I take responsibility for what I say. There you go, there’s good and bad and etc. But after being a person who is on the networks. I don’t know why I’m less comfortable with that and I don’t know why I agree with her I’m of the same opinion! I couldn’t expose myself on the networks directly. Yes, but telling my story no problem. Maybe you need a little training, some supervision, maybe it can be included in everything you do? If you are into sports, studies, you also see that side, Because from what I understand, the end of a career for athletes can be very complicated. It’s always very hard and very complicated. So maybe by trying to keep that contact, it allows you to say to yourself, well listen, I’m staying in a certain reality that will allow me to bounce back to something else. There maybe it’s more fear too, of what is said, what is not said for a long time. I think that’s something that held me back a little because sometimes I dared to speak out and I realized that it wasn’t said like that. You’re a little scared anyway. You have to dare anyway, let’s say. Well, I think you said it well! Everything can be said but with style! Afterwards, I think that we can, we can say anything today on social media. I think so. It depends on the audience, No, but even in general. In fact, it still depends on the audience. There is more censorship than before, there is more censorship, but it really depends on the audience. There are things you can say about our tropics that if you say them here, they won’t be taken the same way. It’s a question of legislation, of laws, of many things that come into play. Then you have to be strong too, the mask, to be behind a screen and make comments. It’s a violence, that’s it, terrible. Sometimes, to have, you have to have a pretty strong mental resistance. It’s a question of mentality, of education, of environment which means that in certain skies, you can actually say a lot of things. Of course, we have one somewhere in a country, over there who allows himself to say a lot of things, we take him for a madman, but he’s not. And then you have to control the fallout. When you say something, as they say, speech is power, when you say something But you have to measure the impact You have to know what you’re relying on There are people who will tell you things but which are really burlesque it goes through. But you, from your point of view, when you say the same thing, it doesn’t go through! So there is a question of perception behind it. So indeed, we know that’s why. They talk about supervision maybe too, but at the same time, if you want to talk about your story, if it’s not spontaneous and natural, well, it’s true that you have to be careful about what you say. You’re not going to come and say that Well there I had three bras, two things You’re not going to get into that it can make people cry on the cottages, but you’re going to say things that will really get into. When I say that, it’s more the side, for example, today I dare to speak, I say everyone knows that I was in the selection, that I was in Mali, everyone knows who the coach is for years, etc., the staff, etc. Why are you talking? You don’t need to say the name of the person. People know who is in charge, in reality, you have to be aware. What are you going to say? People can hear it and it can be more or less misinterpreted. And knowing that, it can have repercussions. So, do you think that the host countries, in general, are doing good publicity for the women’s CAN, I mean, because it’s the men’s? Well, there… I don’t think there’s any need! We don’t talk about it and I haven’t even heard about it, frankly. No, but actually, do you think that maybe we’re in on it, we have the information? But there are people who don’t even know there’s the Women’s AFCON . It’s the same year as the Men’s AFCON. People talk more… Me, when I say there’s the AFCON coming up! Ah, the Men’s AFCON. And as well as me, I find that we… In 2019, I was hugely disappointed by the communication that was put in place for the Women’s World Cup. We’re hosting a Women’s World Cup, we see in the French team, there are a lot of women who come from the neighborhoods, no poster. I saw about the Women’s World Cup in our neighborhoods . However, I think that if you want maximum enthusiasm, support, you have to mobilize the neighborhoods. For me, that’s where things… For me, football is popular, it’s… And there I saw no communication, I… I go to McDonald’s, that’s where you see all the flyers, all the communication and the poster. We have little flags too. I only saw two or three ads that were on TV. And then, beyond that, we didn’t bring the neighborhoods to life. I found that a real shame. So basically, we don’t talk about the Women’s CAN , people just guess that it’s going to happen, of course. There’s less communication in general in France here, I don’t see why. So no, it’s very insufficient. We know that it already exists. After that there are certain accounts that do it on social networks. that I am generally No but after generally For the scale of the event, I think that it’s not some accounts that should do it Yet we do the advertising, for the men’s CAN if only to say the men’s CAN. In a few months, we will even know what The mascots, you see, they always put a mascot for the CAN That, we already know. For the CAN, we will say men’s for the women’s CAN, we even know when the dates there are very few who know that the women’s CAN starts Ah there will be a mascot that’s the question for us, Me, I have already seen mascots in Cameroon, there was the mascot, it was a lion, well after that there. But there was a mascot anyway. But there you see, I don’t know, even just there, it’s to say that we know this detail which is useless for example, not useless, but we will know a detail like that for a men’s CAN but for the women’s CAN, we don’t even know the date of the women’s CAN. I don’t know if you see where I’m going with this. But as an observer, Bruno, how do you think we could put this CAN to promote women’s football? Generally speaking, I think that. I think that. First, the sports authorities don’t do it on purpose. There is also their discharge on the historical delay. I apologize
So, I repeat, I repeat It’s a valid argument. It’s the factual reality. And then there is a theme which is the economy and that the economy of women’s football is not a standard level, global media or completely continental, saturated everywhere is an excitement. All the countries which are behind their team because because there is less audience and less at stake. So mechanically, there is a communication that doesn’t exist . I would love it. I did twelve All-Star Games in the United States and when we arrive in the village on Thursday, when we leave the Thursday before. But in fact, there are posters everywhere, there are players everywhere, we live off that and it’s everywhere. And there are everywhere in fact, but with a considerable economy in fact around So it will come, it will change. Me, I’m rather happy that it’s happening in Morocco. Once again, Morocco is more and more omnipresent in sport. There must be about thirty major sporting events that will take place on Moroccan soil in the cycle of the next 20 to 25 years. But it’s not enough, I can’t say otherwise. But precisely, couldn’t we adapt like the NBA in fact, like they do? Because at the NBA level it’s actually the men. Let’s say it’s the salary in general, the general revenues of the NBA of the men that they invest for the Women’s League (WNBA) Ca n’t we use this process to counter, why not African women’s football with the CAF? I’ve already said to anyone who will listen, I think it could be nice if the 1% after we get the money. There it’s a subject, yes, 1% of the payroll. Guys, yes, they could pay them, to accelerate women’s football Yes it will be faster that way. Yes, solidarity. And why not? Do you feel supported as a footballer by the men’s teams? I’ve already seen them. As I said, they paid for our tickets to go. In the Nations Cup it’s support. I see some for us, they pass us by, they tell us we mustn’t give up, it’s good what you’re doing, etc. So yes, and I think that if we ask the question, I think that a lot of people would be willing to do that, why isn’t it happening? If there are wills on both sides, why isn’t it happening? Because they support you. Yes, but hey. Do they support you publicly? For example, I imagine there’s the men’s CAN. One of the big players stands up to say, but don’t forget, there’s the women’s CAN, it’s not just that. Maybe their voice will carry more. And if they attend, even if they’re there at the stadium, it could push. But I have the impression that as soon as the competition ends, everyone goes back to their club, that’s it, or one or two stay there to try to gather crowds. Is there really real support or is it just a facade? Sometimes you have to say the things you have to say to them. Maybe you have to tell them too, I don’t know. Maybe you have to tell them, come and support, quite simply. So as soon as you organize yourself to do it, is that what you… Because you realize, right? Yeah, it’s true, the infrastructure won’t do it, so they’ll do the bare minimum. Well, I tell myself that you have to take control of your destiny, even if you’re actually there for the sport, right? Why do we want you on the field? But also to allow the sport to evolve. Are you, at your level, not taking actions like I think you’re taking actions by creating in your microcosm some activities that are very interesting by the way? But isn’t there something that can be done in a way that reaches out to others and says, Let’s try to get together, let’s stop doing things individually, let’s get together, let’s be strong and do something that will work. Let’s go to these men, let’s say, say, listen, there, we have to do this, it has to evolve. I think that, in the very history of the world, why do women get to where we are? There are women who have sacrificed themselves. There are some who have fought at their level. But at the time, it’s when you put yourself in the context of the time. You wonder how they could think like that and go do the only thing that bothers me about a collective, is that it victimizes women and for me the example that it’s great the guy is at the airport he sees that there’s a problem for the girls They manage the tickets. It’s great, There are great guys around the grounds too, too. There is the opposite extreme And so collectively managing a decision, we will succeed less well than personal wills. And I would find it so much better if it became it came very naturally what you experienced at the airport is great because it is done with authenticity. Isn’t it asked please? No, not necessarily, as that shouldn’t encourage them to come. It’s your right. But I think that a collective action can have several meanings. It’s not necessarily a question of money, in fact. There, I think it’s more a question of encouraging people to really take an interest in the collective aspect of football. Exactly. I know. It’s true. And I’ll take the example of, for example, the release of the new French team jerseys. Yeah, where we talked more about the French team jerseys. I don’t know if you know when. I think. It was with Tchouameni . You see, when Tchouameni came to the last French team gathering. It’s great. And there, we talked more about it than the actual communication about the release of the jerseys by the players. It’s like when strong guys come to the Handball World Cup. Support? Yeah, no, especially support the girls. It certainly creates something more good. Yes, perhaps think about actions that may seem trivial. The creation of a union, for example, would be interesting. But is there a certain point? But precisely, if we create the union, should men put themselves forward or behind? For me, is that an idea? Because somewhere it also refers to that side? Yes, because if we don’t ask them to put themselves forward, no, but precisely, if men put themselves more forward there will be a problem, if we put ourselves behind there will also be a problem. So what is the solution in fact? You just have to be there. Exactly, what is the solution? If we are there, we put ourselves in front or behind there, we can’t put ourselves in front in something that concerns someone else. Yes, but precisely. But if we put ourselves behind! Even if they come, they will take the light, in any case that light there! Yes, but precisely, you use this light to better blossom. That is to say that for us to be able to see something, the light must be put on this thing. And from the moment that it is put Ah but that’s interesting! So maybe it’s a loss leader, but now, afterwards, behind, it’s you who does the job So if afterwards we actually put the light and the job is not done, it’s sure that there is more enthusiasm behind It makes me think of what we do in tournaments now, there is a fairly well-known tournament called Impulse Star I don’t know if you know it’s a tournament for young Foot Street players, etc. And now they have integrated the women’s part, but by integrating the women’s part into the men’s tournament, people watch the women’s tournament more But the girls play like that and in fact it created a desire to go and watch more women’s matches. So there was a loss leader. And then maybe we have to think about that because it’s still a shame. But as Bruno says, the historical delay and history itself is like that, eh, it takes its time. Afterwards, in fact, I agree with that, but I also have my side that tells me, we depend on that, what, eh? For example, I ask ourselves, we still can’t watch women’s football, saying to ourselves, well, just watch women’s football, I enjoy it or Ah, it’s going to be an incredible event, the CAN etc… I’m going to be interested in it. We still need these male athletes who bring light to these women. And after times I see. I’m not against it. Today, if it’s the federation that set up men’s clubs that are obliged to have women’s sections, we are obliged to go through that because otherwise we sink. There is this reality there. But after that, I think I tell myself it’s still a shame to be in that. Do the media really play the role of advertising on women’s matches, we don’t see them, we don’t see them at all. They announce PSG. Yeah, I think there’s Canal+ which is already starting, which is starting a little bit to promote, but CANAL + is a private media, I think there are plenty of media which could still There is a lot of vigilance at France Télévisions as a public channel on gender parity but yes, it’s not enough. First of all, there’s the delay, the whole thing is very timid. Well, it’s a bit complicated. I’d like to have a match thing, as if it were gladiators who came to play. But when you look at the ad itself you say Wait. There’s that there Yes, Afterwards, at the risk of displeasing Afterwards maybe it will never happen it could be another model, that’s also because a PSG-OM. It generates a passion, but crazy I’m talking about men, I’m not sure we have a symmetrical passion by taking a historical delay, that we stick together to see when in 2072 in fact a PSG-OM Women, it’s going to be something crazy, I think it won’t happen. Yet it’s the same story, whether it’s men or women, it’s different. I’m not even in this search for equality or fairness. I’m just asking that when the presenters present the women’s matches, at least that it be presented like the boys’, just the way it’s filmed. Me, sorry, sometimes I watch women’s matches, I don’t want to watch the ball anymore, it’s already there, the camera is always there No but seriously, quality is important I think they just take the VEO and then put it like that and we follow the match. Boys, you have all the angles that we have. Sometimes we’re in the match, we’re in the stadium with them and the way it’s filmed, it’s not the same thing. Sometimes they don’t know the players’ names. For example, you have Katoto up front but you say Geyoro, does that bother you? It’s just little things like that where you say Oh but I see he’s not into women’s football, but he’s trying and that’s what’s a shame. Maybe we need to put women who know a little more about football or men, but just correct this kind of thing that can make people want to watch it a little more. There’s a clear desire to do things well or of course with VAT resources . Yeah, it’s a question of resources. Yes, no channel in Le Monde wants to broadcast a match that isn’t well produced, is that it? Except that there, the guys, they can’t pay for extra cameras because there isn’t the economy that allows Direct8, which is one of the first channels that trusts women’s football in France. And so much the better, if they hadn’t done it, it would have been even more delayed. They did it but not well enough. That’s it! And then I have the impression, when I watch women’s matches for example, I take an example, if we watch a Mbappé match, we’re going to talk about, he hasn’t scored since your goal, etc… his extra football, Come on, we’re not going to hear it too much, we’re going to only talk about his football, these transfers, etc etc. Uh in the middle of a match, watching PSG against I don’t know who a women’s match, where there was Katoto there was recently, she has a story with her coach. or her sports director I don’t know anymore In the middle of the match watching, oh but it’s true that she comes out in addition to an altercation with the sports director or the coach, it can be detrimental, but in fact we are talking about the match, why are you talking to us about…. and you see, if it’s a shift too.. it brings us back to things that are not football in fact, quite simply comment on the game and not comment on the player who has….well I don’t know I don’t know, there we need training, but since the media for him it’s the same power. I don’t know, there we need training, with the media for him it’s the same power. I think I think we really need training. Why do I say that? Because there is perception, the perception we have of the people who are playing can interact on the way we report things. So, I
think that somewhere, when I talk about training, it’s not necessarily training them in the professions, they know it, but training them on how to be able to make things happen, it’s very important, you have to bring in consultants. I love how my friend Alexandre comments on handball matches with a guy on the TV team and he’s into the technique that I love listening to because we’re into absolute technique. Why not take more experts and take people who even make mistakes on names ? There are some, right? For example, Laure Boulleau. She already does it!! Yes, there’s Laure Boulleau She does it on men’s matches, not on women’s matches In fact that’s what I mean, I’m talking about women’s football. If there are some, why not go to those people and prefer to take people who know nothing about it like others? Debates that we’re going to talk about here. Where we talk about people who aren’t even on the set to defend themselves No I agree. I think we have to go to those people. So I think the media must also do a job at that level Of course, if you do the work behind and it’s filming the ball is there and you there No honestly! Image quality is the bare minimum you see I think they can improve anyway. After maybe it’s a question of means, etc. Surely, But beyond the means what can we do concretely? Because I have the impression that there are plenty of avenues, solutions. I think. But I think that we need a basic will to do it. And the funding . Perhaps creating a women’s media outlet. A media outlet that won’t necessarily focus on women’s football, only on women’s sport, but that will highlight all sports, whatever they may be. Yes, it’s not easy; we also need funding behind it. I launched a women’s media outlet in 2016 in France, which is still not profitable if I don’t have other media outlets alongside it, and my goodwill, my energy, in fact, isn’t there, and it’s not easy. But hey, there are plenty of things that are changing. When you look at the top of football, there’s FIFA, which transfers revenue from world football to CAF. There’s a strategic plan put in place by CAF. There. And action, that has to come too. It takes everyone, the will of women, for it to work better. Maybe since it’s not bankable, we say it’s not worth it, but we have to give ourselves the strength first. That’s it, that’s what I say. We women, we should first look at what we do. That is to say that when there is a match, for example, which is not PSG or OM etc.. Maybe we should watch the match more or go to the stadiums more, but yes we have to give strength, is that it? Yes. If you want, you pay for your ticket and you give strength to the club etc etc. But we are here frankly, I challenge a person who I have OM-PSG, not a men’s women’s Champion’s League match. I think that if you ask the question to women, which match are they going to watch, a large part will go watch the men’s match So in fact, I think that we should give ourselves the strength first. But do your families watch your matches? Me when I was in Mali yes Yes he watched of course. Oh yeah, quite a lot Yes Not my whole family but sometimes still, For example my brother, my brothers watch my matches more than my sisters. Now it’s true it’s always men but well after I think that sport, well there are certain sports let’s say that don’t interest women much already. Yeah, I had trouble with football. That is to say as I often said, it came out at the same time as the TV Novelas I can’t watch my series. So I had no appetite for football at all. But even that is we want to develop women’s sport. Put on a clear channel where everyone can watch. But we put on pay channels But frankly, today, who is going to pay to go? Already, we have trouble getting a ticket at a stadium. Sometimes it’s symbolic prices. When we say that, it’s not the boys’ matches there are even PFCs who offer. These free matches then, but put them on a clear channel so we start to get used to them, etc. After that we put that, we switch that to the channels so that’s it. But otherwise After me. I often watch the FC Barcelona women’s matches because it’s my team. It’s technical But of course But it’s because you’re already a Barcça fan It’s mainly because of the Nigerian. What’s Oshoala’s name Since she played there in 2016 2019 until 2024 I think. She left last year. I was a little interested, said to myself well, since I always watch the men’s match and I said to myself what are the girls doing next door? That’s why I was interested. Afterwards, I know a lot of players. By the way, who is the Ballon d’Or winner? I ask the question Women’s Ballon d’Or. There was Putellas there And there, the last one, she’s from Barcelona What’s her name? You see it’s serious! It’s serious! Bruno? Do you know him? Not at all. I stayed on the second to last one, sorry Aitana Bonmatí Yes, but it’s good, you see, Even that, if I ask a lot of people, they won’t know. Rodrigo Hernández Me, you see, you know the masculine, ask. There are opinion polls, I’ve done plenty of them among the French on their favorite sportswomen. Yes, in the top, you’ll have Jeannie Longo and Laure Manaudou. Oh yes, really. Oh but yes! So not easy, eh! But hey.
Same thing for the role model. You need personalities It’s a repetitive pattern! In any case We’re getting to the point where we’re going to ask you what advice you can give. Already to young girls who want to get started or who don’t dare, or who don’t even imagine getting started. So for my part. I created the association and also an application that connects women to play sports together. It’s Ladies Squad It’s Ladies Squad today! And I also have this association, it was born quite simply from the fact that girls came to me when I started playing at a high level and they also wanted to play football, but not only that, but also wanted to get out of the neighborhood. And for me, it was a way to stay where I grew up and to be able to get these girls out and live, to dare to live their dream too. So today, I would tell them to dare. But it’s difficult to dare. But I think we have to, we have more of a role to play, to go and raise awareness among these girls in the neighborhoods, but also wherever they are too. And a piece of advice You have to, you have to listen to yourself because no one can live your passion. I understood that no one can live what you are living. At the beginning, when I started talking, I said it wasn’t football itself. What drove me was everything it gave me inside. And that, only you can, who can know it and live it. It was a source of well-being for me. It saved me from dropping out of school, it saved me from a lot of things and I think that’s it, you have to listen to yourself. Really A little message Bruno. So I have no advice to give so I don’t feel the authority to give advice. On the other hand, there is one thing I am sure of, and that is that all my sports friends and even those I don’t know, this is a message for young people, it is to dare and believe in your dreams. Because in fact the real truth is that anything is possible. And I add an “and”: do not tolerate the inexcusable. And then one thing that applies to everything, well, you have to work hard, right? So daring to believe in your dreams is possible. Working hard and earning respect. That’s already not bad, huh? He took it out of my mouth because I wanted to say believe in these dreams . Yeah. And then you, do you sportswomen have real responsibilities for transmission? I remember. I’m talking again about Bineta, the Senegalese woman who made the only Senegalese fencer in Paris. I was interviewing her and she said to me, but actually, I did fencing because above my bed I had a poster of Laura Flessel. But it’s great, it’s great! And she made it The Paris Olympic Games. But her thing is me, it’s Laura. Laura Flessel above my bed is great. So the role model of inspiring and telling the story too, but not necessarily in a way. mega huge, but there you go, to go and walk around the colleges in Ile de France and also in Africa and tell stories. You had your whole life, your work, it’s really important, it gives, it gives energy, in fact Do you currently have any news on events? to recommend to us? The activities of Ladies Squad for example. Soon we are supposed to go to the women’s CAN in Morocco, but to watch the matches, but not only has the ambition to meet women’s sports clubs, but also women’s organizations to raise awareness on all issues related to women, sport. But above all, one thing that we don’t take into account is the impact of menstruation on sports performance. And that’s something we would really like to develop, even in France, because it plays a role. And also to raise awareness among male coaches who don’t know that it can have such an impact on the emotions but also on the physical state of women. And that sometimes, it’s not that we have the bad will to not be able to perform on the field, but it’s when we are unable and we sometimes have to adapt the session or adapt the way of communicating with this player during her period. Wouldn’t it be easier if it was a female coach who manages the girls. Not necessarily to better understand her problems. I’m all or nothing! I’ve always preferred male coaches because I found that it’s really specific to me. I’ve already had female coaches and I find that they are too much in the emotions and that bothered me. A man will be he will take the human side, but he’s fine. For me, the football side will always be above. A woman can make choices, sometimes by emotions, by sensitivity, etc. Me, I prefer this whole side where we are more football. That’s it! And so on the other hand, on the menstrual side, it’s really something that we started to develop within the association. Because the number of times we had to play matches, but the number of times we were subject to injury or we injured ourselves simply because we were menstruating or after, because you have to know that it’s really the period just before menstruation , that we are no longer subject to injury, diet, etc. These are things that we were not taught which are, I want to say, but so important for the high level or even for an amateur practice, for a banal practice. And it is to be taken into account, even on emotions, sometimes women say it’s more annoying etc etc. No, it’s not that it’s more annoying at that moment she’s not herself! It’s a very big subject , it’s a subject that allows us to also compensate for certain families. We make it an absolute taboo where we don’t talk about these things. And the fact that there are cases, I have, I don’t know who with whom Where there are actions that are done to do them. Precisely, pedagogy on menstruation with young girls, in a sports universe which allows us to reverse the socio-cultural barriers that we have since in fact they will have an educational gain and a gain in life in general which is given by sport. There is a case that we are working on at the moment in the French-speaking world, in Cambodia, where in fact there are young seamstresses through sport who make washable menstrual panties. Yes, it’s good, it’s educational. Well yes, that’s really good, it’s innovative too. So these are real subjects that we must also talk about. That, and which play on the risks of injuries which are on the key point for an athlete. On the contrary, it comes back, we must, we must seize it. Mmmmm. A final word for the end, how do you see sport from here? We’ll say by 2040, in fifteen or twenty years? For you, I’ll let you answer first historically, we will always never be at the same stage as men. Historically, we’re starting behind. But I think in any case in my ideal that football should evolve to the point where the youngest we meet will not have to break down the same barriers. To push through the same doors that we had to break down and smash. I think I think they will be, I hope they will be in better conditions, really. And I’m almost sure, because things are only evolving for the better, for the better. Bruno I already gave the answer earlier. Africa is the future star of sport “the” THE future star of sport, I wrote it at the top of my media here, it’s Women are the future of sport. No more to say A in 40 years, And you Myriam, do you want to say something? No, my ideal is that there are more and more young girls who freely practice football, even sport in general and that families put fewer and fewer brakes on sports practice. I think that’s the most important thing today. Families put a lot of brakes on young girls and that affects them. Aissatou, do you want to talk? I hope that everything we’ve said here has taught you something, a little something. Because I too have learned a lot. And frankly, it’s always interesting to talk with people who are directly concerned. Yes, it allows me. I’d like to add something for Aissatou, a great thing. I just discovered with swimming, there are actions that will be carried out, notably by the city of Bezons soon in African territory where there will be mobile pools that will travel around to teach swimming and prevent deaths by drowning. I think it’s super virtuous. So for swimming, for making progress in the world, and swimming is a great sport. But that’s actually something we could make a whole topic out of , eh, swimming in African countries. That way they’ll stop saying we don’t know how to swim. Yeah, that’s it, we don’t know how to swim. No, it’s not that we don’t know how to swim . It’s just that muscularly, it’s not that we don’t necessarily know how to swim, it’s just that we float less, Because muscularly, really, we’re heavier. There’s a, there’s a bit of a morphology aspect to take into account . And I also think there’s the context. How many swimming pools are there there? There’s the sea. Like the International Swimming Federation, they just made a donation to the North African Olympic Committee, we’ll find that in the media. The International Federation offered 50 swimming pools. at ANOCA for African soil, It’s true that I was wondering, aren’t there many swimming pools? There are water points, but I’m not going to learn to swim in the sea. I mean, after all, there are some, there are some in some places. It’s not that it doesn’t exist, but culturally I don’t know, I don’t know. Something that is put forward or that is put forward. So swimming anyway. And anyway, since we are projecting ourselves into the next 50 years, there will be African women who are Olympic swimming champions, that’s for sure. That’s mechanical, it’s obligatory. In any case, I thank you very much for coming. We had a good time with you, we learned a lot. In any case, I wish you a good day and thank you again. Thank you. Thank you now. Thank you, thank you, thank you very much. Thank you Aissatou
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