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Dr. Zach Bush discusses the deep spiritual and scientific aspects of life, emphasizing the interconnectedness of all beings and the importance of surrendering to the Divine. He highlights his unique medical background, including internal medicine, endocrinology, and hospice care, and his transition from a reductionist view of medicine to a holistic understanding of human biology and the universe.
Zach critiques biohacking and the modern medical system’s focus on chemistry over biology, advocating for a return to nature and a deeper connection with the earth. He also shares his experiences with near-death experiences, remote viewing, and the profound impact of trusting in the natural processes of life and death.
He discusses the interconnectedness of life, emphasizing the role of microbes in human thought and the impact of collective trauma on DNA. He highlights the rapid technological advancements over the past century, linking them to ancestral trauma.
Zach argues that the current food system, particularly the use of glyphosate, is diminishing the planet’s life force, leading to increased anxiety and illness. He advocates for grounding to improve health and stresses the importance of reconnecting with nature. Zach also touches on the generational shifts in societal norms and the need for a more fluid, less categorized understanding of identity.
Timecodes:
0:00 – Episode Teaser
1:36 – Who is Dr. Zach Bush?
4:27 – How does one cell become 70 trillion?
6:45 – What makes childbirth sacred?
10:03 – Can we hack human biology?
12:30 – Why doesn’t science heal us?
16:56 – Why do we age?
18:19 – Do we choose to die?
21:59 – Is this a global awakening?
25:07 – Is collapse a spiritual rebirth?
30:43 – Are we ignoring life’s warnings?
39:54 – What happens when we die?
44:12 – Are spirits always around us?
47:56 – Do we really have free will?
51:34 – What can lions teach us?
59:00 – Are humans creators or destroyers?
1:05:52 – Are psychics real?
1:13:54 – How did war shape our souls?
1:21:12 – Why can’t science explain the soul?
1:33:39 – What is high vibration?
1:39:46 – Can food transfer trauma?
1:45:42 – How does grounding heal?
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We’re so distracted by the chaos
of our collapse that we don’t even realize how deep it is. We
don’t realize that the extinction is already unfolding. This is the birth of life. Life
is fighting to come into this reality. We’re the greatest technology
this earth has ever created. By far. Our organism has things
that we’re able to generate, frequency wise, that no other
species has done on this planet. You have to surrender your life
that’s within you and around you to the Divine to create through
because we were told trust the science. As a scientist that
doesn’t even make sense, that sentence doesn’t make sense,
we’re going to wake up. And here’s the path to wakening up. I like to welcome to the show
with Dr. Zach Bush, how you doing Zach? What a pleasure to be here. I’m
really glad to be with you Alex. Man, thank you so much for
coming. I’ve I’ve really, really, really been looking
forward to this conversation with you, man, because I love
your work. I love what you’re trying to do in the world and
what you are doing in the world to help try to awaken people to
a lot of different things, both from the scientific side, but
you also dabble in the spiritual side as well. And I’m really
interested to go down the rabbit hole. I think there’s multiple
rabbit holes we’re gonna go down. But you are a triple Is it
a certified, three time certified board, please tell me
I’m horrible at this Actually I mean, in some ways,
is a part of my past, but I got three board specialties in
medicine, internal medicine, internal medicine, then
Endocrinology and Metabolism, which is the study of hormones,
and ultimately energy production in the body, with metabolism and
that gets into the mitochondria, which live inside our cells. And
then the third sub specialty was kind of as I was exiting my 17
years in academia, I started nutrition center for focusing on
reversing chronic disease through our connection to food
and Mother Earth, and in that process, was needing another job
and needing to make money. So I actually got a third sub
specialty in hospice and palliative care, and was a
hospice director for four years doing end of life care. So
that’s, you know, in some ways, at the very beginning of my
career, birthing babies in the Philippines, I was going into
engineering, and then took a hard left turn after that trip
and went into medicine. So it was really birthing babies on
the front end, and then doing the death doula kind of process
of hospice at the back end of my career that I think gave me the
opportunity to have a really unique look into the we might
call it a spiritual reality, but it’s the energetic reality of
what it means to be an identity, what it means to have an
identity, and watching that come in and exit the human
experience, I think, gave me a unique perspective to start on a
very deep, deconstructive process of changing my own
mindset and my own concept of self. And so while I don’t feel
like I’m helping other people towards any kind of spiritual
awareness, I’ve been able to at least be transparent about my
own journey into the loss of the frameworks of the stories that I
had grown up being told as they just weren’t fitting my own life
experience. You know, watch enough births of a chill child,
and you work watch enough deaths of an elder, and you realize
these, these don’t fit anybody’s one story. There’s something
more beautiful, something more whole happening to each one of
us, and so I’m just on a mad pursuit of learning that and
experiencing that in my own body, because I’m pretty sure I
can die before my body’s gone, if I can really die to myself
thoroughly, I’m curious to see what births out of that. That’s beautifully said, Sir,
beautifully said. So yeah, your perspective of starting your
career, birthing children’s children in the Philippines. How
many kids did you bring into the world? How many souls did you
bring into the world? I mean, through that experience,
and then later in the OB GYN world. And I thought I was going
to go into OB for some time, and it’s hundreds. I’d never kept
track of it, I suppose. But yeah, it was a lot of babies
coming in. As all of those as all of those
souls are coming in. What was the thing that you kind of kept
seeing that you’re like? This is very interesting, because this
is the birth of life. Life is fighting to come into this
reality, to come into this simulation, this existence. What
was the thing that caught you off guard when you started to
continuously see that? And then we’ll go to the other end in a
second. Yeah, the level of genius that
is exhibited in the formation of a human inside the womb of woman
has never been measured. We’ve figured out the structure of
atoms. We’ve figured out, you know, the extent of the universe
we’ve dissected. You know, nearly every physical feature of
the world to sort through how things work. Not a single
scientist has even been able to put together a theory on how
this happens, because it’s, frankly, just beyond any human.
Comprehension how a single cell can begin a self differentiation
process where it splits into 70 trillion cells, and then somehow
each of those 70 trillion cells knows where to go in a three
dimensional map to then differentiate into a very
specific cell with a completely radically different shape
function. You know, genomic expression kidney cell can be,
you know, 1,000,000th of an inch within the border of, you know,
a fibrous tissue cell. And yet they have exact they know
exactly who they are. They know exactly why they are right where
they are. And so the the intricate scale of the tininess
of the mechanisms of a human body and how everything knows
how to become that nobody has a clue. No, no. It’s definitely
not in the cell that information doesn’t exist. Inside the human
DNA, for example, there’s no information. There is blueprint
inside. There’s no blueprint. And so you are self organizing
the womb of your mother into something that we might call
human. And then it’s compounded by the reality of your
connection in nature actually shaping the body every millionth
of a second. So every millionth of a second, the atomic
structure of a human body dissolves and reappears, as does
this table. And so anything solid is anything but solid.
It’s actually a momentary physical expression of light.
And so when you start to realize, okay, somehow we are
these energetic centers, these extremely intense concentrations
of light energy to become physical matter. And in that
extreme light energy, we have the ability to coordinate
communication to adhere to this greater map, this greater design
of beauty that is unfolding in nature. All of that is to say
that it’s beyond the word miracle. It’s this is to see the
face of a child coming into this world and taking its first
breath. You are in the physical presence of the genius of the
universe in its totality, I don’t think the universe has
done anything more magnificent than birth life. And so that’s a
bit of the discovery that I began into. And I could not have
articulated any of that when I was 19 years old, my first
experiences of birthing children, but, but as a kid, you
know 19 year olds, you the beauty of being 19 is you think
you’ve got everything figured out. And the beauty thing, you
think the world is your oyster, and everything’s gonna go like,
I’m in control. Here I go. And then I saw that first baby come
out, and I was like, Oh no. I don’t think I know anything. And
I don’t, I don’t even know if I belong here on the planet. Was
one of the experiences like this doesn’t seem I don’t feel like I
deserve to even witness this. The power that is in a woman to
do what she does in that process of surrendering her body to
source, to create within her is something that the male psyche
can’t really comprehend in the way in which we’ve currently
been trained. And I think a lot of our religious and spiritual
practices are a lot about that. How do you go on a path to
radical surrender of your own space to let God create through
it? And so that’s some of the things that were seeded in my
consciousness in those years in the Philippines, or that time in
the Philippines and in the years that subsequently happened, I
had the blessing of seeing the contrast between these
incredible group of international midwives that
trusted that feminine power so much that as they walked into
the room with a woman that was in labor, they immediately
endowed her With the confidence the capacity to do this
miraculous thing called child labor and birth, contrasted with
my experience within a couple years in the medical system,
where every woman was told that this was a highly risky thing,
and she was this was a pathology, more than a miracle,
and watched the difference between those two Worlds and how
women are just systematically disempowered in our current
society and our current medical systems. And it’s not limited to
the medical system. I think women are disempowered from this
miraculous capacity that they have within them to have a human
womb is unbelievable in its ability to bring forth a child.
But what I’ve slowly been learning is that womb space,
that creative center, is available anybody, anytime,
male, female, to create from. So there’s an energy center deep in
our core that we can surrender to source to create through.
It’s a really interesting possibility that our greatest
work comes when we blind ourselves to the to the whole
process, when we are so willing to turn it over to something
bigger than ourselves that we can’t even see the process. And
that’s basically what’s happening when one cell turns
into 70 trillion. We cannot see that process. The way in which a
womb works is to blind. Us to itself, basically. And so the
woman uses progesterone to do this. And so progesterone is a
potent immune block. And so her immune system cannot see what’s
going on there. Her neurologic system cannot see what’s going
on in there. And so to allow another being to form inside of
you, you have to keep it so blanketed that you can’t see it,
because if for a moment the woman saw that thing, her immune
system would destroy it. Because the immune system would see it
as foreign material and destroy it. It’s probably the most
potent example that we have of what does it mean to be with
God? What does it mean to be God? It means to surrender
yourself to the processes of the universe and its creative force
so profoundly that you can’t even see what’s going on. You
can’t figure it out. You can’t go make it better. You can’t fix
this thing. And for that, I have severe concerns around our whole
concept that’s emerged around biohacking. I don’t think it’s a
good idea to try to hack something that’s that
miraculous, I think we need to surrender to the creative force
within us, rather than try to micromanage and hack, you know,
with our limited intelligence. Right! And it’s, it’s, there
seems to be this trend now among billionaires or very, very rich
men specifically, I haven’t seen a woman do it yet that are
coming out trying to basically live forever, and thinking that
they can hack themselves by taking obscene amounts of this,
or obscene amounts of that, or this kind of supplement, to try
to hack their their genome, even to hack their DNA, to keep it
going longer. It’s it doesn’t seem right to me in many ways.
I’m all about listen, you take vitamins. I take vitamins. I
hope you I mean, do you take vitamins? I don’t. You don’t. So
there you go. Take vitamins. I take vitamins, but you eat
probably healthy enough that you get every nutrition and
micronutrients and all that stuff that you need for your
microbiome and so on. So we take care of ourselves. Yeah, you and
I are both 27 we’ve aged horrible, 95 one of the two. But I’m all about that. But it
seems like there’s this talk of AI going in to the system, yeah,
and basically just constantly checking your system to like,
Oh, you’re low on potassium, inject potassium. Oh, you’re low
in magnesium. Inject magnesium to keep the system going. What
do you think? What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, both the biohacking
movement and the medical community at large have treated
the human body as if it’s a chemistry phenomenon, and we’re
not. We’re a biology phenomenon. The reason it treats us as a
chemistry problem is because chemistry is super simple.
Sodium plus chloride, you get salt. You know, you can measure
the electrolytes in a human body quite easily. For $4 you can
find out if your sodium is good, your potassium, all these
things. And so your electrolytes are measured. And so you can
say, Oh, you need more calcium, or you need more magnesium. I
did that for years as a doctor, and it turns out that it never
works. What’s happening inside the body with those electrolytes
have very little to do with those electrolytes. It has to do
with what is life creating inside your body. But the reason
we need the reductionist belief systems of like, here’s what we
can measure in your blood chemistry, or here’s what we can
measure in your REM sleep with your oura ring. Here’s the data.
We’ve done that because we cannot freaking figure out
biology, because it’s a miracle inside of every cell. And so we
talked about one cell turning into 7 trillion cells, and the
miraculous nature of that, that level of miracle is happening in
every single one of those cells as well. And so every single
cell is a black box as to how that stuff figures itself out.
And so as a cell biologist, for you know, I still am. I still
around my cell biology lab in in Virginia, and we get to peer
through microscopes every day. We now have these incredible
Computer Aided systems now that what used to take us four hours
to get a single high powered image on our microscope, we can
do 96 times seven. So we can do 650, experiments in four minutes
with these robots that are now doing these things for us. And
so the speed at which we can get information is extreme, and we
haven’t learned anything more, in a sense, because all we keep
seeing, if you’re really honest with yourself, is miracles. And
so it’s an ego can’t the ego can’t handle that. And so we
keep diminishing the miracle down to something we can
measure. And what we can measure is not life. Life is too
complex. Life is actually a system of relationships. And
something as complex as human life is a system of millions of
species, not actual organisms, millions of species interacting.
And so when you get into that level of complexity in Europe,
in 14 quadrillion mitochondria, 1.4 quadrillion bacteria, five,
6 trillion fungal elements in a human body. There’s so much
going on in a human body. And. That to actually understand the
whole of it is impossible, and so we try to break down the
system to look at these little elements, to find tracking
metrics that then correlate with life, health, disease, whatever
it is. But at best, we’re doing the breadcrumb thing, and the
real danger of doing a breadcrumb thing is then
presented as if it’s the truth. And this is where I think we’ve
seen, you know, those recent five years really take us down a
deep, dark hole in public health, because we were told,
trust the science. As a scientist, that doesn’t even
make sense. That sentence doesn’t make sense. There’s
nothing to trust in science. And like trusting the science makes
it sound like there’s a body of truth. Science is a process, not
bank of truth. And so somehow the word science got transmuted
to mean truth instead of a process of understanding. And so
science is an inherent, you know, process. It’s a journey
into discovery. It’s it’s a process of by which we have
created the opportunity to explore miracles that will never
be understood by human mind, but will be felt every day. And so
where I’ve been going last 15 years is doing less and less
studies on my patients in regards their chemistries and
their labs and their imaging and all that. And do more and more
focus on what do you feel inside your body, and then turn it over
to them to rebirth themselves. Everybody has the information
inside of them that they used to self form in their mother’s womb
that never left you because you’re still doing it right.
Every millionth of a second I have to remap this body and re
manifest light into particle and put it back in the same order so
that I look like me. Then another millionth of a second To hold on to the to the code,
if we’re in the matrix, to hold on to the code that makes Zach,
Zach and Alex, Alex, it’s constantly remapping itself
throughout the day and throughout our entire lifetime.
It’s constantly every millisecond is this is
happening. And then I always, always like to ask a doctor,
specifically someone like yourself. Why the hell do we
age? Because we’re rebuilding our bodies. Every you know you
have a new skin, every how many days you have a new heart, every
so many days you have a new brain, every, every seven
months, or something like, I don’t know what the time, Every seven years, every cell is
turned over. Yeah. So every seven years you have a
brand new Zach, brand new out and various variations and
within those seven years of different things. But why are we
aging and not staying at the peak? Let’s say I would love to
be at 23 Yeah. Physically, That would be an ideal age. Not
mentally, yeah. Well, between 23 and 29 mentally too? No, no.
Mentally like, not experientially. Yeah, the
capacity, yeah, I wish you hadn’t the experience of a 90
year old and a 23 year old brain. Yeah, That’s what I’m thinking so. But
what is the science? And also, just what is your take on why we
age? If you can explain it to in a layman way We want to it’s us that’s
whatever we want to age, Because we see other people
aging, so we age. No, I think, I think it’s even
deeper that I think we don’t want to be here forever. I think
we want a finite experience. And so the soul, which is a fractal
of God, is how I would think of it, is a geometry that’s
permanent. And this is what I definitely learned in the second
book, end of my career. Death is not an end point. That is a
massive rebirth. It is a massive reconnection. But I’ve seen so
many near death experiences where people are going back and
forth across the veil over and over again, and they’ve told me
the most magnificent stories. I mean, the Near Death Experiences
are just so lovely. I mean, every one of them just makes you
warm and just like, sit back and chuckle at yourself that you
think anything is real, that you’re sitting here perceiving.
And so I love near death experience for that, like,
reorientation of like, oh yeah, this is all fake. Everything
we’re doing is a dream, and we wake back up into this bigger
reality as soon as we dip a pass. And the interesting thing
about all those near death experiences, they’ll travel the
cosmos. They go to a distant planet, they meet their
ancestors. They do all this. They never miss the I Am. Their
identity is permanent, is unwavering. The second, you
know, the millisecond they let go of the human consciousness.
They’re still I am. There’s no gap between I’m Zach and I am
the I Am that this is deep to me, is permanent and unwavering,
and every millionth of a second is the same, that identity
unchanging has an experience that I’ve heard many times is,
oh my gosh, everything is perfect. I am fully accepted. I.
Connected everything the cosmos is the journey is perfect.
Everything isn’t perfect. My human experience was just
perfect. That being, why would you want not just stay there,
like if, if everything’s perfect all the time, and you’re
connected everything, and you see the light and everything’s
glory, and you’re in the ocean of love. We want a finite
experience so that we can see the beauty that we are
conscious. You want to have the separation, so that you can look
back at the beauty of everything. And we see this in
nature a lot. And then you go watch our sunset, and the humans
are lined up there. And all you know, we sit there in three hour
meditation while the sky goes through all its color changes,
and then the dark sets in. The moon comes up and the stars come
out, and we’re just in awe. And we said none of the other
species are sitting there paying attention to any of that they
are it the birds of the air are the sunset, and they settle into
the tree because it is Sunset, but it is sunset. The sunset is
an it is I am moment for them, and so there’s no pondering of
the colors, and they’re not all meditating on what could happen
tomorrow. They’re fully presenced, and there’s no
questioning of their connection everything. It’s this unique
state of being human and being a finite experience where we are
aging, we have this temporal experience of the perspectives
on reality from a distance. And it’s kind of like Archimedes,
you know, saying, If you give me a platform, I’ll move the Earth
with a lever, you know, if you give me a platform away from
nature, if you split my consciousness away from God, I
will see it, and I will be able to see it and feel it and feel
it differently than I can when I’m fully connected and part of
it. And so I think we are signing up probably through what
makes sense to me is a very select and unique blessing to be
picked for this journey, Right and also at this time in
history, No greater time. Maybe you know
this, every 70,000 years, it seems humans go through this
massive epoch shift, and we’re right in the middle of that end
of a 70,000 year cycle, in the beginning of the next. And we
don’t know if we hold on to these bodies in the next. You
know, we may go through a massive metamorphosis, rather
than survival of our current biology because of what’s been
cooked into our biology last 100 years may may be inescapable. We
may have doomed ourselves to biologic extinction, but
biologic extinction is not the same as energetic extinction.
What do our souls want to learn from that human experience and
go on to do? And can we do that fast enough, while we’re still
in the body, to transform these bodies to survive what we’ve
created and really transformed the suffering and the separation
fast enough and early enough that we can actually stay and
play in these biologies. And so those are all possibilities that
sit in front of us. So the thing that’s really
interesting about your work, and you’ve spoken about this before,
is, and I haven’t really never heard anyone else put it
together like this, the this shift that’s happening in
humanity right now. We can all feel it. We’ve been feeling it,
probably since the early 2000s Yeah, or late 60s, like there
was just such a massive awakening, right? Yeah. So there was, I think
those were the seeds. I think those were the beginnings of the
seeds, The dawning, dawning of
Aquarius. Maybe There’s a lot of organic weed.
They Hadn’t got glyphosate yet. Yes, exactly, they had some
nice, clean weed back then. But so that was the beginning stages
of it. But it’s still, even in our lifetime, the speed of
things. You know, I remember the 70s, I remember the 80s and the
90s. And I started this. I If you look back and like, oh,
stuff started to speed up and speed up. And I looked at it in
my industry, which is the film industry. It’s like we had
movies, and that was in movies and theaters forever, like that
was thing. Movies weren’t. Then this VHS thing showed up that
hung out for a little while, about decade, 15 years,
Blockbuster, then blah, of course, Blockbuster. But then
DVD showed up, and DVD picked up even faster. And it was, it
started to, it started to go obsolete faster than the VHS
did. Then blu ray came out, then streaming came out, and then and
that, and that happened to all but so I started seeing all the
technologies speeding up. Things are starting to speed up now. It
feels like every year is 10 years. I mean, every year since
2020, has been so intense, so insane. This year is no
different, and it seems to be getting more sped up, more crazy
and but what you’ve been able to you said in another interview,
which I thought was so brilliant, is that what we’ve
done to ourselves, biologically and to the earth environmentally
is what is a catalyst for a lot of the chaos that’s happening in
socioeconomic and, you know, in. Finance, in media, in medicine
and all these things. It’s, it’s a parallel. Can you kind of dive
into that a bit? Yeah, I think what we’ve gotten
used to is activists running around telling us how evil human
behavior is and how the oil companies are the problem and
Monsanto is the problem, and Bayer is the problem, and
Western medicine is the problem and pharmaceuticals are the
problem, and vaccines are the problem, and governments are the
problem. The FDA is the problem, CDC is the problem, the who is
the problem? World Economic Forum is the problem. Davos is
the problem. That’s what we’re used to, is looking outside of
ourselves and coming up with 1000 reasons as to who’s an
idiot, who’s not thinking right? Who’s exploiting us, who’s the
who’s the dark force? Yeah, and we’ve spent so much time being
programmed to look outside of ourselves for stories and
experiences that justify the way that we feel inside. At some
point in the journey we don’t have enough mental energy to
maintain the stories and that egoic belief that all of our
problems are outside of ourself, and that’s this wonderful moment
that we might be taking ourselves to is we might have
had to poison our entire food system and soil systems and take
biology on the entire planet to A metabolic utter collapse,
which we’ve done in order to see through the veil in these
bodies, because the dense shield of the ego that’s dominated the
human experience for at least 1000s of years and has bred our
empire rise and fall, the exploitation of ecosystems, the
exploitation of children and women, the exploitation and
killing of men at younger and younger ages in war, or
otherwise, we’re going to keep repeating that pattern, as we
see unfolding in Ukraine, Gaza, Israel, Syria, name, the place
the United States and the CIA has been part of 78 wars
globally over the last 50 years, and so we’re going to keep that
going for as long as we can’t see past this belief system of
we are separate from everything, and therefore we have to war for
everything. What can dismantle such a dense belief system? What
can dismantle a universal belief that we are separate from
nature. If you ask anybody, are you separate from nature? Are
you really separate from nature? Is nature devoid in your body?
However, they’ll sit there and be like, no, no, no, I’m part of
nature. But if you go read the Oxford English Dictionary, it
says that nature is everything in the firmament of the Earth,
the minerals, the plants, the animals, as opposed to humans or
anything humans have made. So we didn’t just write ourselves out
in nature. We RIT ourself into opposition with nature in our
definition. And that’s what groupthink does you ask any
individual? Are you outside of nature? You separate from
nature? No, no. But you ask any group of people, is nature for
you or against you, we we go immediately to this, well, we
got to protect ourselves from germs. We got to protect
ourselves from macro economies. We got to protect ourselves from
the Chinese or the Russians or the thing, what like? How is it
that as soon as we put five or six or 10 human brains together,
suddenly we are outside of nature, and I believe it’s
because of this vibrational, you know, kind of harmonic that we
can hit together, as our egoic brain does believe we’re
separate, does believe we’re rejected, therefore the ego and
so you put a few of those together, and suddenly we’re in
this alternate reality of nature against humans. And in that
reality, the only logical thing is, I need more comfort. I need
more convenience. I need no more protection. Yeah, to for all
that, I need more wealth. There’s only a few hours in the
day. I’m not I’m not able to, like, build 17 houses a week.
And so since I can’t be productive enough to create that
wealth, I’m having to create an abstract economy in which I
extract from distant people that I can’t see. And so I need to
put a food system under slave labor. I need my my commodities
market to be slave labor to China and South Asia and all
that, to make my jeans so that I can wear pants for $15 you know,
we we create all these abstract economies to justify and hide
slave labor for the convenience and sense of safety and that
sense of wellness, sense of economic capacity, that’s all
fake, and so we’re doing all that. So what? What would it
take if World Wars aren’t enough to wake us up and continue to
iterate? I think the only thing left was, let’s poison ourselves
to the point where we don’t have enough energy left to keep these
stories going, and so we may be taking ourselves into this
pattern of complete, utter collapse of the biology, so that
we can, just for a moment, see the truth is that we were
birthed here through our own intelligence. We can say it’s
God, but it’s really you, your soul, knit that thing together.
Yeah. In your mother’s womb, and you are here, iterating a life
that’s aging so that it can see all the beauty of a world from
all the different perspectives. Sitting with my grandfather on a
veranda while he smokes cigarettes to his death was a
different experience than sitting on the floor building
Legos with my son at age two, he’s got such a different
perspective at age two than the 82 year old grandfather who’s
dying of his cigarette smoking, and they’re both beautiful. And
so why do we age I think it’s because we want to, because we
want to see all of the beauty of the world in this finite couple
breasts that we call human, infinite soul wants to see it
from every one of those perspectives, This shift that we’re going
through right now, this cycle that’s ending, it seems that
it’s very similar to our personal journey. It mirrors our
personal journey, our collective journey is mirroring our
personal journey, which is, I don’t know about you, but there
were moments in my life where I didn’t listen to the nudges of
the universe, and it’s That Sledgehammer comes. It starts as a whisper, then a
tap, then a nudge, and then the sledgehammer comes. And we are
now in the sledgehammer portion of our collective like we didn’t
listen for years. And now we’re at that place where, like we
gotta go, we gotta go to rock bottom. And it might be to a
rock bottom that we cannot come back out of, on a on a biologic,
biologic, biologic framework. Just change completely from what
we know. And that’s laid out in a lot of
texts that you study. You know, from Yogananda on down. If you
look at the Judeo Christian side, or you look at this
perspective that would be put out there by any of the lineages
you’ve studied, it’s all pointing us to this, this thing
of an awakening, right? We’re going to wake up. And here’s the
path to awakening up, you know. And so we have a Christ figure
or a Yogananda disappearing at very young ages, and the
experience that they left behind was a message of this truth is
inherent to everything. You don’t have to go find it. It’s
inside of you. You don’t need a teacher. You don’t need a guru.
You don’t need this is the gurus telling us this, like, Stop
putting me on the pedestal. I’m here to tell you it’s inside of
you. Look inside. Look inside. We have no place else to look
when we completely collapse. And so when we think of an illness,
whether it be mental health or the flu, we end up in bed. We
get to these points of sickness that we have branded as a bad
thing so that we can rebirth. I believe that the body uses these
moments of collapse to give you enough stillness so you begin
the birthing process again. I hit my major depression in 2009
2010 I had to go that low where I’m contemplating on daily basis
and exit strategy to get out of my human body. I had to get
there before I was still enough, because before that, I was a mad
machine of productivity. I was working 100 hours a week in
hospitals. I was raising my kids. I had started a
construction company building houses. I was building my own
house in the woods. Like, it turns out, you know, 24 hours
times seven, that’s pretty amazing. You’ve got like, 168
hours a week. Like, oh my gosh, go, dude. Like, there’s so many
hours in a week. Like, you can pour it in, like, 40 hour work
week. Great. I can work three jobs at once, sleep for four
hours. Look at how productive i That’s the drive that was inside
of me, and it was insane. It wasn’t healthy. It wasn’t good
for my marriage. It wasn’t good for my kids, it wasn’t good for
me. I had to the frenetic energy inside of me was was this, I
think, ultimately, fear, guilt, shame, paradigm that I wasn’t
enough. I wasn’t doing enough, I wasn’t providing enough. Wasn’t
experiencing enough, and I had to crash that ship completely
until so that I would hold still. And one of those first
times that I hold held still was at the end of 2009 when I was
just I had nothing left. I was my research had been shut down
by pharmaceutical company, and 17 years of academia now wasn’t
making sense. I thought I was gonna be a lifetime academician.
I thought I was gonna be the chair of the department. I
thought, you know, then dean of the med school, like I had this
beautiful 40 year career that they had mapped out for me. I’m
like, you’ll do this, and then you do this, and you’ll get
awards every year. We’ll make sure we give you a plaque every
year. And so I already had a wall of plaques that were just
like junk, like plastic things that had my name on. Why? What
is this thing? What am I doing here? I couldn’t figure out what
I was doing here, so I had to crash that thing completely. And
in that silence, I just started calling out to to the universe,
God, divine, whatever. I couldn’t even. Put a word. I was
just like, please, if there’s a way for me to be a living
sacrifice, keep me alive and use this body for something else.
But this isn’t working like this is clearly a poor use of a human
genius, a human miracle, put me into something else, and it was
just that stillness and that surrender, and then my womb of a
life turned back on, and I started creating stuff that I
couldn’t imagine just a few months earlier. And so companies
came through, and ideas for the future came through, and the
nature started birthing itself through the womb of a human and
I have experienced being a generative center for a long
time now. Sometimes the projects go really well. Sometimes a lot
of times, project seems like peter out, but they cited a lot
of us on the way. They’re all doing something in the field
that I don’t understand, and I’ve stopped metricing them of
like they made money, or they didn’t make money, or they were
there for three years, they were there for three months as an
idea and never came to fruition. We have to stop worrying about
and defining the success of our ideas based on their economic
impact is an idea coming through. Let that thing birth
through and see what it has. And it’s a thing of its own, and
it’s coming through you, which means it’s probably coming
through dozens of other humans on the planet. Can you attract
them to you so that you suddenly have a team of 12 people that
are visioning this thing in rather than you taking on as a
personal burden of like, oh, I had this vision. Now I have to
go do it, but I had to crash the ship, just as you were talking
about with the sledgehammer effect, and I’ve had to do it
multiple times since then. And what I’ve found is that it’s
much more effective for me to just intentionally run into the
wall every morning, as soon as I wake up, just be like, smash it
into the wall and stop for a moment and be like, you know,
just and for me, the smash into the wall thing tends to be, you
know, an intentional process of silence. If you can bring even a
small part of you into silence, it becomes the wall that
everything else will smash into. So all of my busy thoughts, all
of my, you know, drive and this like adrenaline of like, let’s
go do, what’s my email? What’s my whatsapp, what’s the things?
Who’s gonna be crash all of that into the silence for a moment,
and then let the day burst through you again today. And
it’s been a lot more effective way to be alive, ultimately. And
it’s not easy, because it’s, I think, challenge the
relationships and work around me in particular, because I’m not a
typical, you know, Founder, CEO kind of guy like most people,
like, I’m gonna have an exit strategy in four years. I’m
like, I don’t even know if I’m be out of the womb in four
years. It’s an idea that it looks like it could change the
world. Maybe it’s good now, maybe it’s relevant in 300
years. But I don’t understand. I certainly don’t have that mind
inside of me that’s like, I’m going to raise the capital and
do the thing, and KPIs and row as and all those acronyms and
things and things and like. So that would be make a good
business. But is that the way that nature wants to work
through me? And I’ve found that No, nature’s not actually
awesome, not concerned about that ROAs of the idea. And so I
don’t take any vitamins, but I’ve been drinking dirt water
for 15 years now, and that’s what came through me. Was nature
revealing that fossil soils had the missing link between our old
biology and this new disease of biology today. And so our team
started extracting those soil elements about 15 years ago, put
those into supplements more than a dozen years ago. And so we
have these liquid supplements that people all over the world
are now drinking that are tying them back to the original
intelligence of the microbiome. And it turns out that’s the
intelligence by which we coordinate life within the
mother’s womb or within our body that has to rebirth every
millionth of a second. You have to have wireless communication
network up and running to achieve that, because if one
cell can’t talk to the other, you start to fundamentally age
faster, and you start to this process of disease, of
disconnection or isolation at the cellular level. And so we
were very blessed by a whole series of events to discover
that the soil is making that communication network, and that
are modern soils around the world today that have uniformly
been poisoned by chemicals that disrupt that communication
network. Nature has been graceful enough to leave us a
record of that in her fossil soils. And so, 60 million years
ago, before the last extinction, she put rich data banks of
information, this wireless communication network into her
reservoir there that would be the antidote to the glyphosate
that we’re pouring into our soils today. And so this makes
me believe that Earth is an organism, oh, yeah, and that
organism is far more intelligent and is probably working in a
fifth dimensional environment where she’s never allowed an
injury to occur in the future that already doesn’t have a
solution, and so she’s a generative engine that already
knows all of the potential stressors in her own system, and
has built an environment in which those can be ameliorated
by more connection. Beautifully said, sir.
Beautifully said, I wanted to go back for a second on something
you talked about when you were. And hospice, and you saw so many
souls leaving in that nd in those nd experiences, what did
you ever see or have a personal like shared death experience or
something like that, though you felt it in the room, and what
were some of the common things that all of them said or saw as
they were, because I’ve heard, I’ve had many other hospice
professionals on the show and and then also mediums and things
like that, who tell me what is happening during the deathbed
cycle, who comes, how many days before they come? Things like
that. I’m curious, from your point of view, what you saw. Yeah, a lot of there’s a lot of
moments where I just regret that I wasn’t more awake at that time
than than I was, but even in in the state that I was in, where I
was slowly coming up out of my dream of the 3d realm and
starting to be able to feel the multi dimensional stuff, I was
very, very young in that process, at that point that I
was doing the hospice work. And so I’d say I was experiencing it
from the perspective of a non expert in death, in the sense
that when you get a medium in here, you get somebody who’s
working with multi dimensionals or Elementals. These people have
come in or have developed a gift of understanding the multi
dimensionals, feeling it, communicating with it, that I
certainly didn’t have at that point and barely have at this
point. And so that’s my disclaimer, is like, you’re now
going to listen to the perspective of somebody who was
is was so dominantly believing the three dimensional reality.
And so I was seeing, there’s a scripture actually, that I think
really resonates here is that I was seeing through the glass
darkly. It’s a scripture from Psalms I believe, and we see
through the glass darkly is the scripture, and what it’s
describing is the experience of stained glass in a church. And
so you look through stained glass and you get a sense of, oh
yeah, there’s some sunshine back there, or it’s nighttime, or
maybe there’s a shadow that passes if somebody walks in
front of the window. But you certainly can’t see any detail.
That’s what it says humans are always doing. We’re looking
through the glass darkly. And so we can, we cannot actually see
any of the reality. And so we get this version of it, and it’s
beautiful because it’s stained glass. It’s spectacular. And so
we can see the colors and we see the beauty of it all, but we
can’t actually see what’s happening behind the glass. And
so that’s how I feel about the death. Thing is, I heard
spectacular stories from people who suddenly were on the other
side and come back. But the limitations of my experience
with that is I kept in my mind saying, oh, that’s on the other
side of the veil. And over here, that’s not happening. In these
last 10 years, I’ve spent that with so many indigenous peoples
and wisdom keepers and science. Indigenous science is the whole
secret to everything. The Kabbalah is one of the oldest
sciences on the earth, and the Kabbalah and the intelligence of
the Khoi and the San people of Africa. That’s 100,000 year oral
history there, the intelligence of design and connectivity and
sensing into nature, the the ability for remote viewing and
non local, you know, influences of nature and back and forth of
the Aboriginal peoples and it’s the Maori. They’ve taught me
what I was missing in all those near death experience witnesses,
as I kept thinking, we’re having this 3d experience, and then we
can go to this other place that’s 5d or 17 D, and that’s
right here, the three. That’s very hard to keep that in mind.
If that’s not something that’s going to happen after death,
that’s something that’s happening right now. And so in
this room are multi dimensionals, elementals, what
we call them. We could call them ghosts and ancestors. We could
call them spirit guides, spirit guides. We could call them
aliens. We could Ascended Masters. What Ascended Masters?
All of these. You know, stories and titles that we put on them
are real, and they are here right now, in these seven
dimensions of reality, at least, that that sit here on on the
planet simultaneously, right now, in this environment, and
yet we’re still having the experience of you and I are
alone in this room. And so when I was experiencing the near
death experiences, I was listening to the stories, but I
wasn’t feeling the reality well. And now that I sit with my own
life, I can feel my own death every day, and I can actually
experience what they were telling me while I’m still in my
biology, because I’m starting to learn how to let go of the
belief that I’m solid and realize in this moment, I can
close my eyes. I can go multi dimensional. I can sense who’s
here, and as soon as I do that, you feel it. You feel who’s in
the room with you. You, for some reason, we’re all capable of
knowing their identities, like, Who is that? What is that being
right next to me there, and it. Aries like sometimes it’s these
five, sometimes it’s these three, sometimes it’s this one.
But I have never gone into that space of who’s around me and
found nobody. We are so cared for, and we are so protected,
nurtured, protected, nurtured, known. We are seen at levels
that we can’t see ourselves. And just knowing that can heal the
original wound of humanity, which is we are separate,
therefore we are unseen. Everybody runs around here and
and all of our kind of Neo spiritualism, we run around
these circles being like, well, I’m unseen. I’m looking for my
king that can see me. And I’m going to see I’m a queen, so I’m
going to I’ve seen it. I heard it so much. It was like, really,
like, we’re all kings and queens, like that seems
convenient. Like, I’m pretty sure that I’m just like a kid,
like, My soul is just like this kid. I don’t what’s kind of like
the king? Like, it’s like our past lives, everyone’s
Cleopatra. Yeah, do I need to be a king like that seems like
pretty lonely job. It seems like I’d rather be kind of a farmer,
like, grow some food and hang out at night. I want to, I would
like to run a pub, probably like that would be kind of random. I
can see some other paths, other than having to be the king all
the time. And so it’s this weird projection that we have into
that spiritual space that we would even call it a king, like,
it’s like, what we’re really reaching for when we say king
and queen, that I think could really clean up this Neo
Spiritualism is a sovereignty. We know we are sovereign beings,
and if we need to call that king and queen for now, I guess
that’s fine, like, who really cares? But I think it would feel
like a relief to me if I if all these women weren’t looking to
me to be a king, and I wasn’t looking to all these men to
check if I’m a bigger King than them, you know, like, let’s just
put all that hierarchical regalness down and just realize
I’m sovereign. I am unchanging. I have been a mountain, and I
have been a star, and I have been a planet, and I have been a
seedling sprouting out of new soil. I am a child in the womb
of a mother. I am the mother with a child within my womb, I
am, I am, I am, I am sovereign. Nothing you can do can change
me, nothing I can experience can change me, but everything I
experience can enrich me. And so we are very clear in a lot of
religious texts and understandings that there is no
free will, and then biologically, and then, let
alone get into quantum physics, it’s impossible that me as a
single, little conscious fractal of the universe could suddenly
decide to change directions as a free will agent. There’s
billions of interactions that are happening inside even just a
single neuron, let alone the quantum entangled environment
around me that would allow me to actually be a free agent here
and like, decide alone that I’m gonna go do something Well, wouldn’t you, though, with
that said, though, like with free I’d love to dive into this
a little bit with free will. At any moment, we can change our
trajectory, our idea. And from what I’ve understood through my
my talking to gurus and mystics and mediums and so on, is that
we have free will and a free choice to kind of go off. And
sometimes we go off the path that we’re supposed to be on,
the blueprint, if you will, if you want to go down this whole
blueprint and that stuff that we chose to like, Hey, you were
going to be a doctor, and you’re going to go through all these
experiences and get to where you’re at. I came in from
Florida, not from LA, but I came in from Florida to become a
filmmaker, which is like, why would you do that to me? This is
so impossible to get off the ground there. I did. I always
said, like, if I was just born in LA, oh, my God, I would have
just taken off right away, because it would have been in my
system. So I was born that way, but I could go astray, and I
have, and maybe I chose, maybe I perceived that I have. I opened
up an olive oil store once, long story that would you regret that
I I regret the the experience was more difficult than almost
anything I’ve ever done prior. Great. So difficult, yes, so
looking back, I wouldn’t change it perfect. Looking back, I
wouldn’t, because it makes you, it makes me who I am, exactly it
makes me who I am. So how? What an important easier. But the
point is that I, I could have kept and I was about to continue
to go if it wasn’t for my wife, just like, No, we’re stopping.
Get back on the right road. So I went off the off the journey a
little bit, but then came back. And from what I’ve heard, is the
farther you go off the journey, those nudges, those
sledgehammers, those to the point where sometimes you, like,
get in your death experience, you have to die to stop you from
where you were going to get you back on the path. What do you
think of that theory? Oh, I think that’s true. But I
think what’s not true is that there was a straight line that
was drawn there that you were supposed to stay on. No, yeah.
So I think, yeah. I think the wandering is designed, right,
so, by nature. So, so I. Agree with you 100%
from what I understand from my studies is that when you’re
doing the soul blueprint, your soul contract, there are mile
markers laid out. How you get to those mile markers is completely
up to you, but you will hit. You will hit these mile markers
no matter what, and the wandering is necessary to make
them as rich as they can be. I never really thought of the
wandering. It’s that Gandalf quote, all
those that are lost or not, you know, all those that wander are
not lost. That’s a beautiful way of looking at it. You have to
wander because there is not a straight line in the flow of the
universe. Of course not. There’s a straight line in nature.
There’s no straight line in nature because an expression of
the feminine and the masculine is rigid, straight lines
throughout the space time. And so the grid of the universe is
is in witness to the flow through it. And so the masculine
is not we often are told that it’s holding space, and that’s
true. But I think the downside of that is we get the
misperception that the masculine is protecting something the
masculine cannot protect the male lion doesn’t actually
protect the pride. That’s the females. Yeah, right. And so the
females are the ones that actually know how to protect,
and they do it through nurture rather than through war. And
they’ll lioness will kill something if it’s coming to
threat in her cubs, no problem. But the number of times she has
to do that is zero. Really, I she doesn’t have to kill
anything, because she’s the lioness, and they know
everything else respects that reality of like, okay, Linus is
there now she might, like, growl at them, just so that everybody
can see how awesome she has. Because that’s kind of fun. Like, sometimes you have to show
some teeth Ripple that and muscle around
the neck and do your little thing and flare. Because if
you’re a lion, don’t you want to do that? I would want to feel
that this is what it feels like. Step off bitches. Yeah, I think.
And so we see nature posturing, and we see nature doing all this
thing, but nature’s not really killing each other. It’s the
predation that we see in nature is a gifting economy, and one
soul is giving itself up to a higher experience as it goes
through as a gazelle becomes the bloodstream of a lion, it’s
experiencing stacking geometries. And I’ve experienced
this in nature deeply when I’m out in the ocean with this
swimming alone and suddenly got surrounded by the most massive
millions and millions and millions of sardines for 45
minutes, this shoal of sardines was around me, and then the
pelicans hit, and I had so inter tangled my awareness of being
sardine that when these pelicans hit, and were just exploding in
the water, they come into the water so fast you can’t actually
see the pelican. You only see the explosion of bubbles that
they create. And then you notice it’s pelicans, because suddenly,
up above you are a little Pelican, fleet feet. They’re
like, kind of floating around as they swallow the fish and and so
that explosion, when I figured out it was pelicans, I went
through a momentary experience of, like, oh my gosh, my
friends, my sardine experience is being eaten. And I projected
the human, you know, kind of trauma story, the predate, the
killing of them, and in a millionth of seconds, sardines
answered. And we’re like, this is our elevation. This is our
ascension. We are calling this in don’t you? Project that on
us? You know, this is, this is our ascension. This is us going
into our higher selves. This is us going through the matrix of
life. We are ascending. And so as I’ve gone through that, you
find out years later, being with the white lions in in southern
Africa, the same thing understood by the koi and the
San people. After 100,000 years of witnessing those lions, no
animals actually killing the other one animal is giving
itself up to it, and there’s the hunt, and there’s the excitement
of that for the lion, I suppose, and there’s a kill, if you will.
But it’s not to kill. It is this gifting economy where the animal
that’s ready to go peels off from the rest of the herd every
time like the you see this in the videos of like, Blue Earth,
like, why did that? If the antelope had just stayed with
the group, he wouldn’t have been attacked. But he always, like,
peels off, and then the Lions go chase that one, and the rest of
the herd goes off, and that one, it tumbles down with lions and
is, you know. And the lions mercifully, will kill that thing
in a split second, you know. And so there’s this gifting economy
that’s happening in all of nature. So that nature ascends.
And anytime you put one of those keystone species in a wolf in
Yellowstone, a white line in South Southern Africa,
biodiversity explodes. Yeah. That’s what happened with the
soil improves. The rivers flow. More nature everywhere, more
flora, more Fauci next door. If you put a human in at the top of
the apex, everything goes into monoculture and is destroyed.
The soils collapse, things collapse, and we can see this
from space at the rewilded white lion territory. And it’s very
interesting, because the fence lines that then are around this
rewilded territory have the same. Animals, same lion, same
antelope, same zebra, same giraffe, same animals. But the
Keystone, or the top of the species, are just American
hunters that go over there and kill. And when American hunters
go over there and kill, you think, well, that’s just like
the lion killing things. The results are the radical
opposite. The soil goes and dies. The whole system
collapses, because the energy of the system is one where we are
no longer allowing the ascension of energy. We’re we’re driving
the energy back down, rather than up. As a human that thinks
it’s separate from everything, we’re not in right relationship.
So we can’t function as a keystone species right now. We
are not a pathway for everything to ascend towards these higher
orders of vibration. We collapse the vibration through our fear,
guilt, shape and so a hunter who’s over there to shoot
something that’s big so he can put it on his wall at home to
make himself feel like he’s achieved something they said
he’s the king, and to prove everybody’s a bigger King,
because you shot a deer, I shot a freaking lion, shot an
elephant, I shot an elephant. You know, it’s like ludicrous,
and the vibration of that fear, guilt and shame that drives that
wounded king can’t help nature move upwards, and so we are
going extinct because we stepped out of our right relationship as
a keystone species. Nature can’t flow through us right now, and
this is what we see in the biohacking community. Just over
at the godfather of the biohacking community that named
it yesterday, and he took me straight into his kitchen, proud
as a peacock, to show me his pantry of supplements. It is the
most unbelievable situation you’ve ever seen. I mean, it’s
shelves after shelves after shells of bottles, of white
plastic bottles with, you know, chemically derived nature. And
I’m like, you take this every day. He’s like, Well, actually,
only take this section here, arm to arm. 152, 50 bottles in front
of like, are you hungry anymore? He’s like, no, no, I don’t get
much hungry because, you know, a couple 100 capsules a day, here
and there. And I’m just like, that’s where the king gets, gets
himself to, is when you have so failed to trust nature that your
demonstration of your power is, how much extraction of nature,
are you controlling? Then we we have to go extinct. Nature can’t
play that game. It’s a dead end for nature. And so the biology
is dying within us. And so all of those nutrients that are
being taken by biohackers all over the world can’t actually
ignite life. Humans are not chemistry problems. They’re
biology opportunities. To become a biologic opportunity, you have
to step into right relationship with the energies that are below
the surface of the biology. And those energies are a pathway of
ascension. And what do you mean by the energies, the flow of
life? You mentioned? There’s no straight line in nature. What’s
happening is geometry of space, time is holding all of these
complex sacred geometries through which flows energy. It’s
energy in the electromagnetic field. It’s energy from nuclear
fission, fusion events that we call the sun, chi energy. Chi
energy, electromagnetic thermal from suns, from everything is
energy. So energy is infinite and it’s invisible and it’s
unstructured until it starts to flow through geometries. And
that geometry can create a planet, it can create an
asteroid belt, and it can create a black hole. And so it’s the
sacred geometry below the surface of the physical world,
the biologic world, that is allowing for these stacking
functions that more and more complexity within the system.
It’s inevitable. That’s what the universe has been doing since
its origin. We say it’s 15 billion years of the existence
of the universe, or whatever. That number keeps changing. But
that, that 15 billion years, if that’s even a relevant concept
of time, but that that long, long journey of 1000s and 1000s
of millions of years, nature is simply just upgrading the flow
of energy through more and more complex geometries to create
more and more complex iterations of herself. And so this is the
flow of life. And so this is how we go through a massive
extinction, 55 million years ago, with reptiles as the
dominant species. To within a couple 100,000 years, we have
blue whales in the oceans. We got dolphins going, and then
with another couple 100,000 years, we had wild flowers
instead of ferns and palms, we get deciduous trees. Suddenly,
nature is iterating towards these higher and higher
expressions, and death is the driver for the reinvention. And
death always breeds more biodiversity, more intelligence.
And so what we’re seeing is Life is a concentration of light
energy, and something like an oak tree does a really good job
of concentrating energy. And so an oak tree, over its 80 year
period will capture. Enormous amount of sunlight and turn it
into long chain carbons that we would call a carbohydrate or a
fatty acid, and put that down into the soil. Soil microbes are
digesting that turn that into nutrients for life around it.
And so that energy center that we would call an oak tree is
concentrating light, which means it’s an incredible generative
opportunity. A single celled organism, like a bacteria,
requires maybe 1000 times more light per cubic centimeter than
the sun can produce. Biology is the brightest thing that happens
in the universe. It’s not suns sons are nuclear fission and
fusion. Life is brighter by by logarithms. Multi Cell Life has
to be a 10x improvement, again, of energy per cubic centimeter
over single celled life. And so something like an oak tree as a
multicellular organism. One cell knows how to be a bark, one cell
knows how to be a root, one cell knows how to be a leaf. That
miracle of coordination, of differentiation with an oak tree
lives in 80 years, then it dies. It’s only got maybe, like a few
dozen genes. It’s a very simple organism genetically, if you
genetically sequence that tree trunk one year after its death,
and it lies on the forest floor. It’s 100,000 species with over a
million genes. That’s what life is doing. Life
is generating out of every time there’s a concentration of light
energy and it’s released in death, it goes through a million
different new pathways of ascending order to become more
complex. Right now, humans happen to be given a birthright
of the opportunity to be a keystone species. And I get to
see farmers starting to step back into their right
relationship with nature. They stop spraying chemicals, they
stop plowing the soil up. They start trusting the earth to do
something more intelligent, and they start to surrender their
entire farm to be the womb of Mother Earth again, and she
starts bringing forth such bounty. And I’ve seen farmers,
in a single two year, three year period, be witness to an
explosion of biodiversity on their land, and the rivers do
start flowing again. And everything else, I’ve seen
farmers become wolves. I’ve seen farmers become white lions. In
their right relationship to the earth, they become an ascending
pathway for the energies of the Earth around them to start to
ascend again beautiful, you have to surrender your life that’s
within you and around you to the Divine to create through and if
you will do that, then you’re in right relationship. If you stop
doing the farm, if you stop trying to produce, you know, 60
bushels of corn per acre. If you stop doing life, when we do it
to the nature, we kill it, we bring a descending spiral into
the natural system. And therefore we’re going to create
monocultures everywhere. That’s just in South Africa, you’ve got
4 million acres of monoculture trees that have sucked the
entire water table of South Africa out of the ground is now
desertifying The whole country. There’s no water to drink in
Cape Town because they created millions of acres of monoculture
eucalyptus and pine forests that are not natural, and those trees
are sucking the water table out of a whole country that is the
birth canal for the whole planet. If South Africa dies,
the whole world dies in its genetic generation. And so we
are that. That’s what it looks like to step out of our Keystone
relationship. And it’s our path. This is our wander. Where, Why
are we off the track? Well, if you say that we were born to be
a keystone species, clearly we’re off the track. We’re
taking ourselves into extinction. We’ve had a 70%
decline in birth rates. You know, around the world we got
United States is on an extinction pathway. Our birth
rates 1.61 anything under 2.1 year, you’re an extinction path.
Every 10th below 2.1 you take another generation off, though
we’re a few generations out from extinction, Japan and China are
already going extinct. So Asia is going extinct actively. We’ll
have 30 million empty residences in Tokyo alone by 2035 we are
disappearing as a species actively. We’re too caught up in
our own story of too many humans, and climate change and
global economies and tariffs, like, we’re so distracted by the
chaos of our collapse that we don’t even realize how deep it
is. We don’t realize that the extinction is already unfolding.
And we keep thinking like, well, it’s in the future. We might
have a problem. The problem was 50 years ago. The collapse is
now. The future is the question in question and and really we
just have this few moments left to step into right relationship
with nature. And when we say stepping into right
relationship, it’s coming back into that keystone species. And
how you do that, you got to turn your backyard back over to
nature, stop with this weed spraying and the Kentucky blue
grass and the white picket fence that is killing the planet. We
have 40 million acres of grass in the backyards of houses in
the United States alone, 40 million acres of Kentucky Blue
Cross. It wasn’t supposed to be there in the first place. What
was there before was over a couple 100 species of grasses
and deep, deep Savanna energies and. Seed banks that are still
under there. If you would just stop doing Kentucky Bluegrass,
it would come back. So stop doing the grass and the lawn and
the thing, and let nature go there. And then you got to
rewild your own self. You got to rewild your heart. You got to
rewild your womb. You’ve got to rewild your mind. Let the weeds
grow up for a moment. The weeds are bringing in biodiversity
that then will remember the original seed bank and all of
the riches and bounties that were you before, will come back.
You will grow wild again. You can be a lion. You can be the
gazelle jumping through the forest. You can be that tree
frog singing through the night on a tree. You can be the owl
that can see in the dark. You can become all of that, if you
will allow yourself to re wild out of your own story of
diminished relationship to nature, that divorce from nature
is a fake story. You never were dropped by nature. She is
holding you, and she’s waiting for you to step in a right
relationship, to become a keystone species. Beautifully said, Zach,
beautifully said, I wanted to touch on something you said
earlier when you brought up remote viewing, and that’s, you
know, when you start talking about remote viewing and psychic
phenomenon, it is something that definitely goes against your
medical training, for sure. Can you, I’d love to hear your
thoughts on what you You’ve obviously studied this. You’ve
obviously seen a lot of it, probably a lot of what we’re
about to talk about in the indigenous cultures as well.
What is your take on psychic phenomenon, on mediumship, on on
those kind of things. I’m just curious from a scientific but
you’re a scientifically trained person, but you’re obviously
very deep in the spiritual and the esoteric as well. Yeah, there’s this story of in
the Judeo Christian literature that after the resurrection,
Yeshua appears into this group of disciples, and the disciples
fall on their feet or fall on their knees and are obviously
struck dumb with this possibility that this human has
come back from the grave and are having this experience, and
immediately there’s this beautiful experience and trust.
But there’s one of them that has to come and inspect the wounds
in his wrist to make sure it’s physically real and He wants to
put his finger in the wound. That’s me. I have a very hard
time trusting something I haven’t put my finger in. And I
am sad about that, because the reason that is is because I
don’t know how to feel my body well, I don’t know how to feel
the truth as well as I should. And so because of that, over my
lifetime, I’ve really needed to, like, put my finger in the wound
of the biology to say, okay, it is real. It’s there. I can’t.
And so somebody tells me their spiritual belief system or
whatever, I’m like, Cool. Okay, let me check that. I’m gonna go
stick my finger in the wounds. I’m gonna stick my finger
everywhere, until I figure out if that fits the reality that
I’m living in. And so the medium thing, I didn’t believe at all,
and I thought it was just a distraction to something to the
truth for much of my early life, and then I started into this
hospice work. And it was just happening too often that these
people that were just recently departed were coming back to
talk to their ancestors or talk to the people that were still
living. And so it was starting to be like a daily or weekly
thing where it’s like, okay, I got to address this situation,
and I need to stick my finger in this reality and, like, feel
this thing. And so I started, you know, talking to mediums
with more curiosity and all this, because, in particular,
with what happened with a girl that died in my clinic. She died
at age 12, and she had a horrible osteosarcoma, which is
a tumor that’s now become very common in children. Didn’t when
I started my medical training is early in early 1990s this did
not happen in children, but today it’s, unfortunately become
extremely common. It used to be a cancer that we’d see in 80
year olds, but now our two year olds are somehow aging so fast
due to our kind of collective biologic stress that they’re
exhibiting these cancers that didn’t used to happen in
children. She died at age 12, and it was a super intimate
experience with her and her family in that last year,
because she was exactly the same age as my daughter and had the
same name as my daughter, and so I had this journey of me as a
father, trying to imagine what, you know, and so I didn’t have
to imagine I was watching the experience of watching parents
die with the same experience that I was having as a parent.
And so it just made it very, very vivid, and in living color,
vivid experience. I was walking into that death experience with
those parents and that that young woman never wavered like
she was so not once did she show us any fear, guilt, shame, any
confusion. She knew she wasn’t off her path like she knew she
had hit. Hit the right note. You know, at her departure, you
know, yeah. And within, you know, weeks of leaving, she
reached through a medium that was out in California that
didn’t know the family didn’t know anybody, didn’t nobody had
ever known this medium, but the child starts speaking through
this thing. The medium calls the mother, and being like, your
daughter just told me to reach out to you. She’s trying to
communicate with you. And so then I went on a two year
journey with that medium and that family, and that was that
was me sticking my finger in the wound and really feeling the
physical reality of being on the other side of the veil,
communicating directly with it. And her mother and I were both
in such doubt that this was really happening, that we really
pushed Alyssa to show us for sure. Are you we might be a
matt? Is this a trick? You know, we were like, really bringing a
lot of doubt and really fear, guilt, shame to the equation,
and Alyssa just kept reaching through, kept reaching through,
kept reaching through, and showing us, beyond a shadow of
doubt, that she’s right there, present, and she is speaking,
you know, to us, and she can see us in the moment. She can see
what color our shirts were. She could see the patterns that were
on her mother’s shirt and see the Disney character that was on
the shirt like so specific. Wow. And so is those times that
shattered my doubt, that shattered my and as I feel into
the reality around us now, it’s such a blessing that there is no
end. Death is not an end. We all step into our right relationship
with the divine those last couple breaths, and we look back
on the wandering path of a life and be like sweet, I hit every
single one of the nodes that our universe had me designed for.
The Wandering is perfect, perfect because I experienced
and then transmuted pain and suffering through each of those
because I became human, and the human heart is uniquely equipped
to transmute suffering into joy, pain and loss into unconditional
love, and I did that through my journey. And if I haven’t, if I
didn’t have the wandering path, I wouldn’t have been able to
heal so much, and I want to become an ascendant, you know,
pathway for physics and energy to flow through. I wouldn’t have
been alive if I had just done a coming and tried to do a
straight line. Nature doesn’t do the straight line. Energy is in
flow. And so the olive oil company was absolutely the
necessary thing to get you to this point, for reasons that you
and I could never figure out. We have no idea, but it’s
impossible that you got off the road. You’ve always been on the
perfect path, because your path is actually the amalgamation of
all of life ascending. You’ve got trillions of microbes that
are speaking directly into your neurologic system to create a
thought that’s not a human thought you’re having, that is
an ecosystem thinking through you. We now know that there’s
billions of neurons that reach past the gut lining to
communicate directly with the bacteria and fungi in your gut
lining. And we now know that there’s no generative center of
information in the brain. It’s a central processing unit. It’s a
CPU chip, just like sits on my phone, right? My phone will sit
there for eons if you let it, and you keep it charged and
everything else. It will never write a text message, right? It
will never do anything. It will just sit there until somebody’s
fingers type on the keyboard. The brain can’t come up with an
idea. The brain will just sit there until somebody types some
information into the keyboard. And the fingers on the keyboard
of the human biology are not human. They are microbes,
microbes in their constant iteration of life and their
constant interconnectedness, or typing information into your
neurology and your experiences having a human thought, but it
can’t be human because you aren’t the fingers on the
keyboard. And so when you think about, Do humans have free will?
We can’t even have a free thought, let alone take action
on that thought that wouldn’t be somehow the amalgamation of the
intelligence and the creativity of all of nature within us. You we were talking before,
before we came on about ancestral trauma that we have
been going through. And specifically these last 100
years, we were talking about the Civil War, World War One and
World War Two all happened within a 70 year period, 70
that’s unheard of in the history of humanity. I mean, there’s
been wars, obviously, The scale of those wars packed
together never happened, never happened. And then also during that 70
year period, we went from horse and buggies, you know, to AI,
where we are now, like it’s been so fast, even in our lifetime,
it’s so, I mean, the 70s a lot different than it is today, and
that’s 50 years ago. Yeah, it’s not, it’s not a lot in the scope
of humanity’s time split second. It’s a split second. So
everything’s speeding up so much. But as far as the trauma
that we went through these let’s just say it from Civil War to
now, but specifically those three wars, because we’ve had a
few since then, what happened to our generation? Words that felt
those and what is, how is that kind of rippling throughout
history, or throughout, yeah, throughout history, to where we
are right now? So there’s two levels of that
biologically, those those collective traumas, have put
into motion our extinction through the biology of trauma
and the way in which it’s stored in DNA. And the parallel path to
that, I would say, is a path of ascension, where it would it
would have been impossible to generate the level of
intelligence and creativity that this earth has produced in the
last 100 years without all of the death. What happens when a
human crosses the veil when the the soul lets go of the human
crosses the veil is better way of saying that. So what? What
happens there? Well, the Near Death Experiences are giving us
a sense of that your your experiential awareness of the
relationship of humans to that nature increases. And if there
is no end and you immediately, as a soul, can reconnect to
biology, and you can become the White Lion, or you can become
the carrot, or you can become the Earth, the collective energy
of souls being concentrated on this planet and dying and living
and dying and living and dying living at this rate. I kind of
doubt that the same 8 billion people that are here today are
the same souls that are here a couple years from now, but
there’s probably some iteration in there. And whatever the souls
are generating here is remembered in our water. It’s
remembered in the quantum entangled Earth itself. And so
the faster we pump lives through here, it’s a metabolic cycle.
There’s a metabolism too in the intelligence and consciousness
of the universe as death, life, death, life, death. Life happens
so on the energetic path all of these wars, all of the human
birth and death, and birth and death is driving the speeding up
of the metabolic intelligence of this planet and the species that
are on it. I don’t think we would have had cell phones and
AI systems if we hadn’t had three massive wars, I think we
needed the level of death to create the level of birth of not
just human flesh, but human ideas, human consciousness. I am
shocked at the social consciousness that shifted from
my grandfather’s generation to my daughter and then to my
grandson in those short few generations. My grandson is able
to be him. He’s able to express exactly who he is. His
generation has let go of the need to express what gender they
are, what sexuality they are. My generation spent all time, kind
of time figuring out like, well, we’re allowed to be this, and
well, we’re not that, but we’re this. And so we were so busy
characterizing things and making everything separate, and so
eager to create the alphabet soup of sexual identity and
gender identity like we did that as our generation. My children’s
generation came along, and they were taught that of like, well,
you can be free to be LGBTQ. And they kind of tried that out, and
I think that generation is now, like, Yeah, but what about like,
all the things between an L and a B, like, why are we trying to,
like, get it down to five letters? Like, maybe just that.
Maybe we just have a billion souls that are expressing
themselves through biology right now and then my grandson’s
generation, my grandson just started college, and I’m
watching him churning away with his generation is there. They
didn’t get exposed in the same way to the alphabet soup that my
kids generation and they’ve been welcomed into this much more
fluid experience of just express yourself. And there’s some great
challenges in that, because without the framework the human
mind can freak out, and so rates of depression, anxiety and all
this can be quite high, I think, when you’re losing the framework
of the egoic mind, telling you you fit into this little tribe
over here, so you’re accepted when there’s no more, you know,
little tribes to fit into, and they’re starting to be a human
experience altogether that’s nerve wracking, because you
don’t have the comfort of your little click. You know Is that because you’re looking
for for things outside of yourself. You’re looking for the
answers outside of yourself. You’re looking for the framework
outside of yourself. But the gurus and the in the saints and
the Ascended Masters and the walking masters understand that
that’s all within you, and that’s why they’re unwavered
Like they don’t Stop looking outside yourself
for your tribe. Yeah? The tribes inside you. We’re all
part of the central, yeah. And we’re all sovereign, you
know, and so that’s, and I think that’s the unique thing that we
lose when we start to think about, you know, unity,
consciousness and one world government. And we got to hold
on to the duality of that and that the individual sovereignty
of a soul is real. It is a fractal of the Divine that will
never change, and it’s not the same as the other souls. It’s
part of the same thing, but it’s part of the same whole. But it
as a fractal of it carries its unique signature that is known
at the biology. My biology is different than yours because of
the quantum entanglement with. My soul, I can take the blood
out of an identical twin and put it into the other and the
identical twin will react to that immediately and kill the
blood. The identity is not in the genes. Identical twins are
different because they’ve been imprinted with a different
identity. And it’s seen that the biology is different. See even
the biology can sense the difference of the energy field,
rather than the genetics. I find that quite amazing. Like wow,
our immune system, these little, dumb antibodies that just float
around, can sense the difference between that soul and that soul. That’s pretty cool. And why do
you think that the medical field, by biology, academia,
they can’t wrap their head around the soul. They can’t
because they can’t stick their finger in it, as you so. Lovely
example was that they sense that like no if it’s not this, it
doesn’t exist. And then we find out through quantum physics and
other things. Well, this doesn’t exist. Yeah, this is actually
not solid. It’s a perception. It’s a perception which then
your head starts to hurt you start thinking about these
things, And I think that’s the answer.
It just hurts your head to try to really put the human, human
brain, and responsibility of understanding the universe is a
lot, yeah. And so I don’t think we can think our way into
understanding the universe, but we can feel our way there. It’s beautifully said, Yeah, I
think. And the more I go down these roads, and the more I do
my own studies in into this, in all of these fields, feeling is
becoming much more important to me, then, then then mental and
trying to Mental understanding, yeah,
chasing after the win. Yeah, it’s, you know, Yogananda
said it so beautifully. He really never read books. He
experienced everything. He tapped in directly to source. He
tapped into the energy field of a Babaji, or these kind of they
tap in and they it’s like when a book is so limiting, when you
could tap into the internet. Let’s say the cloud is the
universe, and being able to type into that source energy is so
much more potent, and I feel that more and more now as I’m
starting to medit, as I started to meditate more and go deeper
into my meditations, into my own spiritual practices, I’m
starting to feel things and understand things that I never
understood before. Like you and I have a common friend, Robert
Edward grant, who’s a lovely man, but he can go off like hard
and you just try and hold on tight for the right for the
ride, but when I’m talking to Robert, we have a conversation,
and I’m getting what he’s taught. And I’ve said this to
him, I go it’s amazing to me that I’m talking to a polymath,
and I failed math in high school, but yet I’m able to talk
to you about these complex ideas, sitting down with you
today, just I’m understanding what you’re saying, but I didn’t
read that anywhere. I feel it. Does that make any sense? Yeah, I think that’s exactly
what I hope everybody walks away from, is, that’s the genius of
children, is they’re feeling the reality. And so when your four
year old is staring out the window and a car ride in the
back and suddenly says, Mom, do you think it’s possible that
we’re just inside the body of God, What? As a parent, you’re just like,
what? Excuse me, because I was just thinking about, like,
lunch, what? What are you doing in the back seat? Like, what’s
going on already? Like, just like I was just frustrated about
my bank account and you, are we? Is it possible that we’re in the
body of God? Yeah, that’s, that’s actually possible. Thank
you for reorienting me. So that’s where we come from, is
complete connectivity. And the wisdom is at our fingertips,
it’s, it’s everywhere, and so we are dialed into that Internet of
Everything at every age. And so it’s a learned capacity to
forget everything. And so our education system is what we
created for that. And so we created an education system to
train people out of their knowingness, yes, and it starts
at five years old. And now, unfortunately, it starts at two.
People throw their kids into preschools at age two, and
they’re very pleased where their kid can, like do one plus one
equals two, which isn’t even true, is what Robert grant will
tell you. And so, yeah, it’s so they learn the wrong stuff to
cover up the right stuff and break their relationship to the
knowledge field, because there’s no control of sovereign beings
that know everything, and so systems that see themselves
separate from nature, that need to consolidate wealth in the
hopes of staving off some dangerous future where they
don’t have enough are going to have to train there and train
all of the people. Tools to be programmed out of the
knowingness and start to rely on education. My children are some of my great
teachers. Annoying. Like I said, I’m 27 but it’s fascinating to
watch them interact with the world, and they’ll look at
certain things, and they’ll say things. The other day they were
we saw some friends from California, and they were coming
in, very LA, very Hollywood, very that energy. I’m sure you
understand what I’m and they, they, I mean, they grew up in
LA, and they’ve been here for four years so but after they
left, they turned to us and go, Yeah, that was a lot. I was
like, What did you say? Yeah, they were a lot. And they do it
like this, like the energy, there’s a lot coming in. There
was a lot coming in. I was like, wow. Like, you know, when I was
that age, I was watching transform, just like, like, you
know, kind of kind of thing. I wasn’t having these kind of deep
understandings of the world. They’re this new generation
coming in. They’re just programmed differently than we
were at the factory. I think they have a different
understanding of everything, and they’re not falling for the same
stuff that you and I fell for. Yeah. Would you agree? Yeah, yeah. I think there’s and
this is the beauty of this failure of biology, you know.
And so as we dial our metabolic capacity down, because we are
burning out our soils, burning out our food system of nutrient
density, we’re literally Dimming the lights on humanity as a
function of dimming the planet’s metabolic capacity. So when
we’re talking about 4 billion pounds of glyphosate poured into
our soils every year, what we’re talking about is diminishing the
life force of the planet. And so 4 billion pounds of an herbicide
are being poured in. And I go every two years to the EPA,
every time they have an open hearing and show them all the
science of the fact that this, this chemical that you keep
allowing your country to use at billions of pounds is is
literally diminishing the life force within every child that
will ever be born again. They don’t change. So I’ve given up
on that. Like I’ll keep talking because I feel compelled to, but
I’ve given up on the expectation that something’s going to
change, and so all we can do is speak our truth, speak the
beauty that we see, tell people what we’ve stuck our finger in,
just know is real the moment, and then say this is this is the
case. This is what I’m my lived experience has all pointed back
to this reality that we are taking ourselves to our knees
biologically, so that we think more like children. Because if I
don’t have the energy to maintain the BS of an education
system that trained me to know them, was nothing, and then give
me lots of awards for how good I was at forgetting everything,
then maybe we’re on our right path. Maybe we just had to
poison ourselves so severely that we can no longer make up
the stories Is, um, is that why it does
Europe have that? Is that allowed in Europe, that
pesticide? Oh, yeah, it’s everywhere. Every
continent is using it. The first of the first country that will
will actually be free of it will be Russia. Russia will be the
very first or completely organic food system could be this year.
Even they’re really on track. They’re doing great. Really. That’s fascinating.
Yeah, they just think that Russia is not the most forward
thinking. Russia is always the most
forward thinking. Really. They’re the only generational
thinking country. I would put Russia at the forefront of
thinking longitudinally. They think long term, America is
making decisions around four month decisions on our economy.
Russia is thinking 400 years from now. The other countries
that are doing that is Saudi Arabia and the Middle East. They
are very rooted in family and ancestral patterns. South
America, I don’t think has to identify with either of those,
but kind of inherently does this, you know, where it starts
to understand generational impact and all of this, South
America is really suffering at a deep level of relationship to
North America. And so North America is draining the soul out
of, you know, our entire hemisphere, very quickly, I
think, and so I think South America suffers a deeper crisis
of that remembrance of the multi generational thinking and long
term thinking in their policies. But, but the Middle East and and
Russia. You know, right up until the war, Ukraine was the best
food system in the world. They were growing almost entirely
organic. You know, wheat and Europe had decided to stop
exporting it, or stop importing North America grains. Germany
was the first to outlaw the importation of grains and other
legumes from North America, because they realized that their
diseases were going up every time they imported our food, and
so they banned that and were only getting their food from
Ukraine. I think that’s. Wouldn’t be too surprising if
the Ukraine war was started in part to try to disrupt the
economic advantage there. BlackRock and other US companies
have gone in to buy up all the farmland of Ukraine now and are
implementing chemical agriculture. And so there’s a
pattern that we can see around when the lion is no longer a
king, and the lion is just killing things for the fear that
they’re going to run out. So we have an economy and an empire
that’s failing in the United States that makes us very
dangerous, and we’ve been increasingly dangerous over the
last 60 years as we’ve come to terms with the fact that we
probably are destroying ourselves. And so that rabid
animal in the stuck in the corner that has no way out is
going to be more and more dangerous, and that’s where the
rabbit ate animal in the cage right now. That’s why our
politics look like they do. Is the last thing we have to do is
lash out with tariffs and, you know, put militaries on the
borders and do all this stuff like that’s not. None of those
signs are healthy, like that. That is the sign of an ailing
and dying society. And we’ve seen it with every empire that’s
died. Has done the same things, the British Empire and the rest,
you know, and all the way back to Persian Empire. And so we’ve
done it over and over and over again. And the most dangerous
point of any empire is it’s in its death cycle. And so we’ve
become extremely dangerous, as you know, international
presence, as in, as a military body, as a secret service, and
everything else. And it’s, it’s just human behavior playing
itself out. It’s not because the CIA is evil and all this. And
that’s the danger of, you know, politicians coming along and
saying, Well, CIA is your problem and FDA is your problem.
I’m going to sue all of them, and I’ll make it right. I’m your
white knight. And no, that’s just a perpetuation of the same
mentality of the problems outside of ourselves. We’ve got
to start sovereignty again, and we will. There’s going to be a
small segment of society that will survive this collapse of
empire, and we will have too low of a metabolic state as a planet
to generate the next empire. And so that’s interesting. Humans
getting to this point can’t generate the next Empire because
we’ve so inter tangled our economies around abstract value
systems, all of which are extracting in the life force out
of the planet, right? And therefore they are all on an
extinction path. And so it will be interesting, because we are
going to get to this like last gasp of humanity, where it’s
like nobody’s got the energy to go kill people. Is that going to be in our
lifetimes? Yeah, you think it’s I mean, I could die at any
point, so my life thing, but in going to happen? in the life cycle of the next 50
years, we will see that for sure. I mean, we’re only a few
years away from this massive change, yeah, that’s what it
could happen by the end of this decade. Like it’s that’s upon
us. It’s well, if we look at the
astrological if we look at the Yuga cycles, if we look at all
of the things, the Vedic texts, all the all the ancient texts,
all say it’s it’s now, it’s now. This decade is going to be a
hell of a run. Hell of a run. Yeah, you have spoken about, and
I’ve never spoken anybody about this, and you’ve, you’ve brought
it up in other shows vibrational and frequency connection to our
body, the lower our vibration or our lower our frequency, the
more unhealthy we are, the higher our vibration, the higher
our frequency, the healthier we are, the more more The immune
systems able to attack and and you don’t get sick because of
that. Can you kind of explain what you mean by because when
you’re talking about, Hey, man, my vibes are real low today.
Like it sounds very 60s, very esoteric. Can you kind of bring
it down to a grounded level of what you mean by vibration and
frequency within the body? Yeah, we’re the greatest
technology this earth has ever created, by far. Our organism
has things that we’re able to generate, frequency wise, that
no other species has done on this planet. And so we
contribute to nature very beautifully. We are a keystone
species, and we might be the most profound keystone species
that has ever touched this planet, if we’re in right
relationship to nature, and we’ve been able to measure this
in science through frequency, through vibration, and that is
measured in plants, for example, through an electroencephalogram
that we then hook up to a plant. So basically the same EEG that
would monitor brain waves and the frequencies that are
generated by neurons, we can put on a plant, and then we can show
that if the human tells that plant, you are beautiful, I love
you, the plant actually immediately responds to that
with new growth factors in the root systems, sprouts new root
fibrils, puts growth factors in. It grows faster, more healthy.
The immune system works better. The immune system is not a
battleground. The immune system is a method for
interrelationships between species and so then suddenly has
more relationships to other species. And that plant is now
functioning as a wolf tree, which is a description of a tree
that becomes a keystone species within the plant world. And so
that tree, then, in being loved and being seen, will grow more
vigorously and provide much more for the environment around it,
and will increase the nutrient density and the life cycle. In
the life force of the the whole forest floor. And so humans
like, can you imagine you’re an oak tree? Like, no oak tree has
ever woken up being like, I don’t think I was a regular oak
tree yesterday. Like that birch tree was a lot sexier than me. I
think, like, I wish I had that slender look of the Aspen over
there, and I’m just fat oak over here. No, it’s never, never done
it. And so the oak is the oak is the oak is the oak. So you would
think that nature is like so sovereign in its identity. What
could a human possibly add? And we add because we have the
ability to see that we’re separate from the oak. And so in
the perception that we’re separate from the oak, we can
see the Oaks beauty differently than the bird that’s sitting in
the oak that can’t differentiate itself from the oak tree. It’s
just it’s the element of the oak tree that sits in the nest, and
so the bird can’t do what a human can do for that tree. It
is in our division of our perception of reality that
allows us to donate something to nature that is necessary for its
fullest expression. It needs to be seen by something that sees
itself different than itself separate from so that the beauty
can be fully seen in a new and different way. And when we tell
it what we’re seeing, it grows more vigorously. And so this is
the beautiful thing about frequency from humans, is that
it is a technology that works, and it works uniquely within the
complexity of millions of species that are interacting on
this planet. Species that aren’t separate from nature benefit
from our telling it. I see you. I love you. I’m grateful for
your shade. I love laying underneath. I love seeing the
sky through your branches. I love the way your leaves shimmer
in the morning. I love the way dew forms on the tips of your
leaves. I love the way that the birds open your respiratory
pores when they sing in their song. In the morning, the human
seeing all of that beauty invigorates nature to it do its
beauty even more beautifully. And so this is what I mean by
frequency of humans, and it’s been measured very well in
Faraday cages and everything else now. So Faraday cage is
basically an electromagnetic shield that you can put over and
any electrical equipment you can protect satellite imaging
technology that needs to not be affected by incoming
electromagnetic fields. It’s basically a grounded wire net
that creates a shield around something inside of it. And so
they’ll put a human inside of a Faraday cage, meaning they’re
isolating the electromagnetic generation of a human body. And
then they have the human tell stories, tell me about when your
grandmother did this, and so you engender a moment of love or
joy, and they can monitor these frequencies that are coming out
of the human body. You’re super sexy if you just tell a human
that, like these frequencies come out of it that are
spectacular, high vibration. Now, I don’t think you spend
enough time with your father. And your father died alone in
the nursing home in 2021 under covid, and he was alone. And
that guilt, shame kicks in, and these low vibration frequencies
come out of the human and when biology picks those up, you
decrease the life force of plants around you. You decrease
the life force of nature around you when you feel these low
vibration things of fear, guilt, shame. And so the frequencies
that we generate for the same reason that we generated the
high frequency ones, we’re separate from nature. Therefore
we can see the beauty, the danger is we’re separate from
nature, therefore we have fear, guilt and shame. And so our very
weakness is the result of the very same phenomenon that makes
us our superpower. That’s pretty true in everything like my
strengths are my greatest weaknesses, yeah. And so that’s
how nature works as well. Your greatest strength is going to
make you vulnerable to your greatest weaknesses. And ours
happens to be the dichotomy between being able to see
unconditional love and express that in unique way and
experience fear, guilt and shame and our separation from
everything. So vibration is real. High vibration increases.
Then that keystone species effect, low vibration, you know,
symptoms of of our separation from nature, our abandonment
disorder, decrease the vitality. So then the food, food has
plants have vibrations, obviously, and frequency. So the
food that we’re putting into our bodies have a frequency and a
vibration. So if you have something that’s a little bit on
a higher level of frequency, so let’s say something closer to
nature, salads, foods, vegetables, things like that,
that are alive and close, they have a higher frequency, as
opposed to something super processed, super in a box, you
know, something that has so many chemicals in it has a very low,
low fright. So when you’re ingesting those foods, your
frequency is being adjusted accordingly. Because you’re, if
you’re eating fast food all the time, which is devoid of a lot
of nutrients, if at anything very little, your frequency is
constantly going down, hence you’re going to become sicker
and so on. Is that makes sense. It’s terrifying when you think
about the current condition of our food system. And that
reality because I stopped eating poultry for a long time back
because my daughter wanted us to watch Food, Inc, back in 2000
that and that was the end of the. Meat for quite a while in
my life, for 14 years, was strict vegan. I taught plant
based nutrition, which isn’t strictly vegan, but it’s more a
sense of like we got to make the plants the foundation of
everything here, because they’re carrying so much life force
within them that’s so much closer to their origin than
something like a piece of process, something or piece of
meat that was processed through a high intensity feedlot. But if
you look at the production of poultry right now, it’s a good
example of what you just said. If you close your eyes and
imagine being born a bird, in this case, maybe you’re a hen,
you’re a chicken, you’ve got wings and you’ve got feathers,
and you’re beautiful, and you’ve got this sense of the constant
provision of nature, and nature provides tiny, little seeds and
insects and all kinds of things that your eyes are uniquely
capable of seeing. And when you walk through a yard of Earth,
and you walk through that nature, you’re instantly struck
by just the abundance around you. And so you Peck all day
long, consuming the abundance of nature. And through you, you
process so much nutrient that you’re seeding back into the
earth around you, the next potential of life. And so your
presence increases the diversity of seeds that are being born in
the soils around you. You will create a more verdant grassland
for the cycle of seeds and nutrients through you and passes
through the body. And then you lay eggs, which is the potential
for new life. And you do this on a daily basis. What if every
three days, or every one day, you were putting out another
potential of a completely new life? What a beautiful
existence. And then humans come along and decide that you’re a
good source of protein, and so they put you in a cage in which
you can’t ever walk you will never actually take a step in
your life. You’ll be born and you will be mechanically put
through a large machine that stamps you and chops your beak
off and then puts you in a cage that you can’t turn around in,
and will feed you some form of a genetically modified, you know,
grain or or legume mix that puts a very small amount of nutrient
into your body, such that your immune system will be failing
immediately over the six weeks of your life. As a boiler
chicken, you’ll be butchered at six weeks if you survive to it,
but 1/3 of the flock has already died of invasive bacterial
infections by six weeks because your immune system is completely
shocked. The microbiome was wiped out by the antibiotics
that are put into the feed, and there’s stacks and stacks of
cages above you that are in the chickens above you are shitting
on your head, and there’s urine and there’s feces everywhere,
and your eggs are covered with crap, and you’re all you know is
separation from nature. All you know is this hopeless state of
this couldn’t have been my path. This couldn’t be a divine
experience, whatever. This is a living hell that I’ve stepped
into. And in my stress as that chicken I’m putting into my DNA,
I’m expressing my DNA in the most extreme state of
hopelessness. And so all my DNA is in fight or flight from the
moment I’m born to the moment I’m butchered six weeks later,
and my whole experience is just whore and and then that ends up
on a menu that says chicken salad. And the woman says, Oh,
I’ll take the chicken salad that sounds healthy. And moments
later, she’s got in her mouth the meat of a bird that only
knew whore. And within minutes, the micro RNA that was carried
in that meat is now carried in her bloodstream and is
interacting with her DNA to change the genetic expression of
her human genome. And we now know that the micro RNA from our
food can account for as much as five to 10% of our total
microarray in our bloodstream just half an hour after a meal,
and so that five to 10% of our genome that’s now absorbing this
information, and then for reasons she can’t understand,
that woman goes into a massive panic attack as she’s driving to
her kids school an hour and a half later, and she knows this
overwhelming sense of impending doom. If you read the DSM four
of a panic attack, that’s the number one most reported
sentence out of a human’s mouth is I suddenly experienced a
sense of impending doom. I mean, that’s a pretty intense
sentence, and it’s weird that it was so common that it is on the
top of the list of the DSM four psychiatric diagnostic handbook,
I suddenly was overwhelmed by a sense of impending doom. Generally, they’re not eating
salads all the all the day, all day, generally. Well, the fact is, a lot of us
are eating food that went through that horror every day,
and we are having panic attacks at a rate that’s never been seen
before. There weren’t panic attacks in
the 1800s that wasn’t how They may have been, but they
were rare. And so it took it was rare, and so I didn’t grow up
with children that had depression, anxiety disorders.
We just didn’t have that lexicon. Now you talk to any
middle school group. And they’ve all been diagnosed with anxiety
disorders, sleep disorders, chronic pain syndromes, chronic
fatigue syndromes. And if you ask any of them, do you ever
have a sense of impending doom? You’re going to get a high
percentage of 12, 13, year olds that say yes, on a daily basis,
I get that feeling. I don’t think I’m going to survive here.
I don’t think this is survivable. I think you know. So
they’re having this daily experience, and they are living
the utter stress of a food system that has no hope and has
impending doom upon it. Have you? Have you heard of the
concepts of grounding? Yeah, what is your take on grounding?
I’ve been doing it for a while now, and I sleep so much better. So much better. Yeah, yeah. I
started using about 2010 or something like that my clinic.
So the last 15 years, I’ve seen it work wonders in all kinds of
situations. But yeah, they know it’s instantaneous. As soon as
you ground the body, all kinds of good things happen. So I was
using grounding, mass grounding sheets on the beds, so that
people would at least get eight hours of grounding in because I
couldn’t get them to go barefoot in the garden during the day.
I’m like, Oh, that’s right, this is convenient, because I’m going
to ground you all night long. And when you ground a body, the
word grounding means connecting you to a flow of electrons. And
so the whole surface of the Earth is covered in a blanket of
electrons. And when you touch the earth with bare feet, or you
put your hand on the soil, as you can go weed the garden the
moment you touch the weed or the soil or anything that’s
conductive, a sidewalk works really good. Even beaches are
the best. And so you go touch nature for a moment, you’re
immediately connected to an electrical blanket, an
electrical supply of electrons that literally covers the entire
surface of the earth. And at the moment you touch that, you those
electrons rush to the positive charges inside your body to
neutralize the the acid, or the positive charge that accumulates
in a body that’s inflamed. So inflammation and disease is
positive charge, health is negative charge. And so when we
talk about grounding a body, you’re talking about
reconnecting yourself to the life force of the earth and not
expecting your body to produce all of your electrons,
mitochondria that turn away to break up the carbohydrates and
fats in your diet into energy, will create an electron flow.
And so if you are not walking barefoot and you are isolated
from Earth, you’re dependent on your own genitive engine to
create the electrons to fight inflammation disease, if you
will purchase the earth now you have a generative engine that’s
25,000 miles in circumference that’s making electrons for your
body. And so grounding is a no brainer. We need to do it. And
you know, I often will forget this until I’m like, kind of
bonking on my travels, and I’m like, oh, I need to get my shoes
off as soon as I get off the plane, and I need to walk in
grass just for a few minutes. And immediately it cracks your
jet lag and it corrects the inflammation you’ve accumulated
and all that it’s it’s ludicrous that I’m not walking around
grounded all the time. Is ludicrous that I tolerate
sleeping in beds that aren’t grounded, because I know it
works so well. I take it with me everywhere.
Now I take my mats with me everywhere. And the Connect you
connect on your feet and arms, and it’s just like, sit at your
desk. I’m grounded all day when I’m I’m sitting at a desk, it’s
really and when you use the right products, because
sometimes you get those cheap knock offs. And I did that
originally didn’t work, and I actually got, you know, Clint,
right? That guy, yeah, Clint. So when I got one of his, I sat
there and I went to bed. I was like, and I’m having a lot of
trouble sleeping. And I was like, you just can’t you get up
like you like, it’s such a deep sleep that you’re just like, Oh
God, I just, I gotta go come up out of the
water and find Earth again. Yeah, right. As opposed to this light, light
thing that you have without it, it’s, it’s mind boggling. It’s
mind boggling to hear that Zach, I can keep talking to you for at
least another four hours, brother, this has been so
fascinating. I’m going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my
guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life? Presence. It’s unbelievable how
much time can be experienced when you become really present.
And if you want to live long, I would say, Stop biohacking and
start sitting under trees, because you’ll, you can live a
lifetime under a tree for an hour, and you’ll experience so
much as you reconnect to the knowingness of everything. So a
life well lived is a life that experiences one present moment
or the next. If you had a chance to go back
in time and speak to little Zach, what advice would you give
him? You’re not alone. If you if what would little Zach
tell you? What advice would he give you? Stop thinking, feel more
beautiful. How do you define God or Source? Still point in the universe. What is love? The electromagnetic frequency
that’s generated by human body when it sees beauty. That’s a great answer. I haven’t
had that one before. If you could ask, God one question,
what would it be? Can you show me my beauty? And what is the ultimate purpose
of life? To see the beauty, And where can people find out
more about you and the amazing work you do in the world man? I would say probably go out and
dig a hole in the garden and plant a tree seed, and you’ll
find me there. And. If you if you want a more three
dimensional experience, you can go to zachbushmd.com and I’ve
got a bunch of free education and it’s kind of a portal into
all the other projects that I’m doing there. We have a great joy
of doing these immersive experiences right now, where
we’re putting groups of people into seven day experiences of
complete embodiment of of the moment and remembering your
original design from the womb. And so putting people in a womb
state for seven days at a time has shown itself to be an
extremely rewarding and awe inspiring thing to witness. And
so that’s something you all be welcome to experience the soil
product that nature has been showing us again and again, the
power of connecting human biology back to these original
soil systems and original intelligence within the earth.
That’s called the intelligenceofnature.com. Take a
look at that science there. We’ve peer reviewed a lot of
science around how Earth reverses these wounds that we’ve
been talking about nature’s never allowed an injury that she
didn’t have a solution for. And so you can take a look at
intelligence nature under the Science page there and see that,
see the deeper truth on what’s actually happening when we call
gluten sensitivity, that it’s actually glyphosate poisoning,
and we show you the mechanisms by which glyphosate disrupts the
gut lining and creates these immune reactions that then gives
us the belief that we have intolerance to food. We actually
just have intolerance to chemicals. The corn and the
soybean may be genetically modified to be Roundup Ready,
but your biology is not And that is why people with
gluten allergies or have celiac can eat bread. Sometimes in
Europe or in other countries, go to Russia and the bread is
completely different. There, different there. In fact, do you
have any parting messages for the audience? I love you. I’m so grateful. I’m
amazed to be human right now. I think I just feel very, very
fortunate today to have been embodied again today. I mean,
the universe conspired to allow me to live again today. I have
no free will to live tomorrow. But if another day of life comes
to me to share another meal with all of you, I feel very
grateful. Zach, you are like a monk, a
spiritual monk dancing inside of a doctor’s body. It’s beautiful.
Man, it is such a beautiful you have such a beautiful energy to
you and your point of views on things, and you mean, like you
were saying, The path has been perfect for you. If you wouldn’t
have gone down the paths of academia and all the things, you
wouldn’t be able to be doing the work you’re doing today, I
wouldn’t be me exactly, man. So I want to give back a second
one, brother. I appreciate you so much. I look forward to our
next conversation, and thank you for helping awaken this planet,
my friend. So I appreciate you. I’m ready for the Next Level
Soul.
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As a 40 year vegetarian I’m glad he talked about the suffering of animals and what it does when you eat them. The carnivore craze will have a backlash.
Just THANK YOU!!!!!!
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This Dude can talk…spitting some deep truths 🧘🏽♀️✨️🤔👍🏼.
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Gratefully yours, Cynthia 🤟
I would love to hear him every week!
One of the most fascinating insights I’ve ever heard in this video. Thank you thank you. For this wealth of knowledge and wisdom
Beautiful, loved, loved it so inspiring. Thank you
Alex- 1 of the Best you’ve had on the show. He covered Everything! Bravo. 🙏🎉🌞🌟🌙
This was an absolutely awesome episode 😊
Thankyou Zach and thankyou Alex ❤❤❤
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Wow. WOW!!! This was the best episode I’ve ever watched. This took me to a whole new level. Thank you both for this conversation. I felt the truth of everything Josh spoke of and he really helped me to understand what level generally is. This was mind blowing. I love love love it!
55:22 because the energy of the system is one where we're no longer allowing the ascension of energy, we're driving it back down
The reason we age is because cells renew every 7 years but not all at once, different cells replicate at different rates and our DNA mutates at different rates too depending on e.g. lifestyle, smoking etc. Repair to cells and DNA becomes more arduous the older we get and amongst other reasons (it's a complex process) we age and die. So we don't age because 'we want to' it's because the body effectively slows with age and the repair process slows too
Ty both for an amazing presentation. Extremely informative and uplifting
One of the BEST conversation ever heard.
Thank you very much. I needed that right now. ❤
Incredible and Amazing and Extraordinary Interview! Thank you Dr. Zach for your humble and sacred presence. Thank YOU ALEX for exposing US ALL to HIM. Thank You!🙏🏾 🌍🙏🏾🌍🏆🏆🏆
Deal Next Level Soul 🙂 LOVE your interviews
Sending gift with love. Lotsa love.🙂
Best interview ever. I appreciate all the information. Thanks to both.
Like someone said in the comments below, every cell in my body vibrated to its highest level while listening to this 2 hours conversation with Dr. Zach Bush… Listening to this was the best experience I ever had, I did not want to lose one word, and rewinded a few times, and I will listen again. I loved every interviews I listened to from Dr. Bush, but this one really struck something in me like never before, I will share for whoever is ready for such wisdom, knowledge, intelligence and inspiration!
If we can't have a free thought then the greatest compassion to all everywhere❤
I birthed each of our seven children at home and each was a beautiful, uncomplicated experience.
Omg you got him! I have to watch this!
Did you eat from the tree of knowledge, then you will surely die!!!
Beautiful Dr. Bush—love listening to you. You NEVER disappoint, Sir!🌻🙏🏽📿🤲🏽
Profound! Best yet! Thank you 🥰
Love❤
I listen to this podcast here and there … and this is one episode that hit me in a different way. Thank you for sharing this. I cried. I felt. I just felt so grateful to listen to this episode this morning. ❤
I sent to many family & friends. Plus I put on my Tik Toc. Dear Abbe hotairywitchyangelmama. Lol
Would really love to see Alex interview Terrence McKenna if he was still here. What they are discussing is exactly what the video's made of his lectures explain. The connection is amazing.
Some body explain to me the" miracle " difference between the birth of a human and any other mammal or bird or any other animal on this planet ? Where is the special miracle?
This is a really brilliant speaker. 14:15 "All we keep seeing is miracles. The ego can't handle that. So we keep diminishing the miracle down to something we can measure and what we can measure is not life." (Science is not a body of truth, it's a process).
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Thank you… Zach Bush is one of the most incredible human beings that I've ever ran across… And every time I hear an interview with him I pretty much just end up weeping because he's so honest and upfront and not afraid to say what's on his mind… I've been going through cervical cancer for the last few yearsand I'm pretty sure I'm almost at the end of the line but listening to him for some reason, makes me wanna stick around
Incredible 😲 Thanks so much 🙏 ❤️
Wow! its one of my favourite podcast and guest so far! what energy Zach has! and what kind of knowledge – wooow! and Alex big congrats for making this podcast! love it
My most fav episode on the podcast I've watched so far.
He looks like Josh Brolin's twin brother haha
Grounding sheets and mats?
What an amazing interview! Thank you. 👏👏👏🙏❤️
Fantastic Interview. So much knowledge and truth here. Wow
Excellent discussion and sharing of wisdom and Love. 💞
Great interview
Yeah the path to surrendering is painful but the moment of it is blissful…
Brilliant!!!
I live in South Africa.
Exceptional Dr and Podcast.