Hello Hello, with host Haim Mizrahi and guest Michael Lowenthal- April 26th, 2024
well good morning as we’re sitting here at LTV on this beautiful morning Friday morning April 26 year 2024 here with the hello H and my name is isi continuing with the tradition of public access and the tradition of the hello HHO that’s been on there since 1980 of course not to fail to mention the contribution by frer doti Francis Anne and of course the likes of you out there to make it your business to enhance and fortify the concept of public access here today we have my friend Michael lenal lenal lent however you want to call I don’t even want to begin to tell you the kind of back and forth interactions that she and I have considering that we hardly know each other a lot is going on well that’s why I want to say good morning hi you yes I love you like Jim Cary would say I like you a lot a lot but I’m not sure why I’m here listen you hear because life needs people to interact intellectually and emotionally and spiritually I love that CU that what’s ensuring the continuation of a balance much needed for the longevity and survival of this world obviously you know that yes absolutely uh so so uh we already Pro to one another that our conversations are at least meaningful and profound uh I I don’t recall we ever talking about the way weather or no by the way I don’t know is the weather all right is the weather is all right yeah okay it is okay you assure me right yeah I assure you and I’m gon toer okay okay that’s so um so as as I said an answer to your question would be that and I don’t like to consider these interactions as interviews you know yeah maybe the title is an interview but actually it’s all about interacting and bringing to life and to the surface things that you’re not aware that are actually going to happen so I know that you’re someone who is creative you’re a businessman you’re a member of this community and uh you’re passionate about you know interacting and communicating with people so that’s what uh so do you want to just say a few words about the about Michael uh well basically one of the things in life there’s like sort of a controversy or division in sort as to what makes you what changes your life ahead of time is it just flowing along and nothing happens or is it when you take action and something Monumental changes in your life so I can give you like two examples uh one where I had nothing to do with it and it could have changed my life materially and one where I took action and that really changed my life it would not have been the same for sure so the one that I took action on I decided to take action is meeting my wife we were on the plane on the Redeye coming back from LA and I took I had a friend in California and he was a doctor and at that time people did Quaaludes you remember with Quaaludes so he shared he gave me a script he shared with me half and half and I took for the flight I took like one qu and where the woman that became my wife was sitting that Dorothy she was sitting at the aisle two seats and right next to her was sitting a very handsome young gentleman so I decided the RO next to her was empty like for the four seed and I decided to lay down and as I was waking up she made a comment she said I don’t know how you cannot be nervous about flying and at that time it was twofold because this was only her second flight first flight was going there uh because her brother had some interviews and second flight is where we meet coming back to nework so uh so we had a little exchange Etc but uh nothing beyond that and the second reason she was so nervous there was a I think a pretty big crash in San Francisco maybe a month earlier you know I don’t remember exactly a plane crash yeah there was a serious plane crash so was she was really very nervous about flying so we arrive at Newark airport waiting for the luggage and I’m saying to myself I got to take action this is my last chance because if I don’t I will never ever see her again so I got to do it so God was on my side at that moment the guy took a walk probably to the restom I’m not sure and that’s when I made my move and here we are I don’t know how many years later if I didn’t do that we wouldn’t have our Davey Boy who’s now 42 and we wouldn’t have our Haley girl who’s now 30 something and we wouldn’t have our three beautiful grandchildren little Luke two years old little uh little Thomas also about two years old and precious little JJ and she’s about nine months old I love it so so if I wouldn’t have done that my life would have been totally different obviously I wouldn’t have any of this yes I wouldn’t me be meeting you now yeah probably you so the the other example where I had no control of what was going to happen was in Israel we were in Israel my my parents were German refugees and this little village called raadar and it was basically the residents were all yapes that’s like the expression you you’re familiar with that right yes and everybody there you know had like a chicken farm or I don’t know how they learned about chicken farms and my father was also in order to make a living we had a chicken farm he worked as a laborer in a neighboring orange Plantation was surrounded by orange plantations so uh he was in Germany in Berlin he was a doctor of Law and he was actually a judge in Berlin your father my father right so uh my mother they were already engaged he was a judge in Berlin right after the war no during the Nazi period oh really yeah yeah leading up right right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh and they were engaged my mother and and my dad and she left already early because she had a friend in London who also was from Israel she left early and she urged my mother to come to London so my mother did so then later on my father was able to get out and he went to London as well they got married in London and on their way I think what year was that oh God it’s got to be it’s got to be in the mid 1930s I don’t I don’t know exactly okay anyway they went by board to port s and then Overland and and they ended up in this Village raadar I see so then I don’t know how he got this offer but he he got an offer to be the law professor at the University of Afghanistan Believe It or Not Afghanistan Afghanistan and they sent him already they sentent him the contract they sent him the fear to come to come over and everything we sold our house because we had a little house we sold the house ready to go basically bags packaged or whatever you want to say and then the war of independence in 1948 so can you imagine if the war would have broken out a year later we would have been in Afghanistan and I don’t know what would have happened yeah you would have Afghani grandchildren who the hell knows what would but anyways so that’s an example of we didn’t have any control circumstance made that you know yes and you know that the cabala says that there’s a right in the left so that means if you make a decision yeah the opposite decision that you could have made is also taking place so there is a Michael that’s actually you mean in which instance like let’s just say if you if you weren’t making the move and you you wouldn’t find yourself actually married to the woman that you right you but you would still have the other option that you didn’t take because the cabala says that it goes in parallel lines so you still went there and it still happened you’re not aware of it but there’s a parallel life of Michael of all the opposite decision-making process that you didn’t choose to and also let’s just say you know they said that the kabalas says that you know your your shid your your match um is designed for you and and it it takes place when it takes place but sometimes they say that you can U uh someone told me that story where you there was someone who was uh the day has arrived that he’s going to meet his match and they be they were both walking he was in Jerusalem she was walking from there to here for some shopping he was going to a job interview and they were supposed to meet at some point so about a minute before they were supposed to meet he started thinking about things that prevented that meeting from taking place and prolonging that separation now in the same to token that took place in the parallel life of this person as much as the fact that he did not meet her her and your life went as it did but still eventually you would have to meet her so there’s a double reality clashing with one another because because because when when the meeting did not take place it did take place in the parallel life of yours but then you met that woman again and then you got married so you actually have two parallel realities out of which one has has two realities within that one reality so so it’s h it’s it’s actually going hand in hand and and you have more your awareness of why things happened or didn’t happen or happened later than they should have you become more aware of it if you have double reality within one reality but anyway I I didn’t get anything you said that’s good because you’re not supposed to okay you’re the philosopher you’re speaking like another language but um fascinating to think about I’m thinking only about the people who see something who see something Monumental that they want to do because they know that’s that’s going to be something that will change their life they have to take action and most people don’t take action they only dream about dream about it yes so you have to if you see something that really you think is important it will change your life life you got to take action you got to take action correct you just your story I would have been dreaming about oh if I only if I only did that then but you never know you could have met oh that’s such a long short she didn’t live in my neighborhood no no no you could have you you could have met someone else that would fulfill that just as much and and may yeah okay my life but I guarantee you Michael has another family somewhere else yeah but but my life would have been totally different it wouldn’t be what what I have now and I’m very happy with what I have now still what you were sharing with us is profound it might sound a gimmick saying you know you got to take action in life you got to yes we know that but in general not only this inst in general when you see something that so what is the sign if we take it one step forward what is the significance the real significance of you being able and choosing to to reflect about it now ask again what is what is the significance of that story that you just shared with us that you can actually once you realize that you’re reflecting about it that you’re thinking about um in order to a to remind yourself and B to maybe be a little more surprised even of what really took place why is it important uh how is it how is it picking up the shape that it’s picking up in your life so what does it really mean what what’s it’s very very you know not to make it I’m I’m a simple guy so I don’t like to make things complicated it just means that I’m thinking that I would not have done it obviously you’re right I would have met somebody else eventually but I have no idea how that would have worked out uh my wife is Catholic so I could have made I’m Jewish I could have made my wife is shika right so very modest and everything but I could have met made made you I could have met a Jewish girl and she would have made instead of dinner she would have made a reservation all the time yep but anyway I I have no idea how it would have turned out otherwise but I’m super super happy how happen the way you did because here’s what I have I I have an incredible wonderful son David and I have an incredible beautiful daughter and now I have incredible three beautiful grandchildren fantastic and my beautiful wife fantastic I mean you describing Perfection I like that I’m I’m happy to hear that but I want to go back to the times of uh whatever it is that you recollect because you recollect some what what age were you when you moved to Israel with your dad no I was born in Israel oh you were born in Israel my parents my parents escaped from Nazi Germany their their parents were kaput yeah and no I and they produced me in R yes no no that bellson hospital so oh I love that oh my God bingson Hospital man so what kind of stories did your father share with you did your father ever share stories with you about his time in in Germany in the time before the war where the German people was civilized and was you know artistic and was all about culture and all about kind of Tolerance and the you know the heyes of of an open Society enlightened by all means unfortunately I wish he or my mother would have done that but no neither one only thing the only thing that that I remember is and especially at you know at dinner with with other friends you know in the community is they talked about because my my grandfather on my father’s side was a notable art collector Berlin so and my father was really struggling to get some of the paintings back because he knew he knew where at least one painting that eventually I received he not not in his lifetime but somehow I I got it uh and they was he how he was struggling and the all the correspondence and everything and he and he couldn’t get it so I remember that coming ation because but I don’t remember anything that they he ever talked to me about uh you know about what you’re referring to about so so what his level of adaptation going to Israel I mean what was the what was the if was there any struggle and what was the nature of the struggle to introduce himself and his family to to the the the state of Israel before it was the state of Israel yeah right was Palestine time the the struggle was here he came from a from a life where he was educated La professor and a judge in Berlin and here all of the sudden he’s in a small village having a chicken farm and working as a laborer in an orange plantations I mean that speaks for itself but you know you you you don’t have to put yeah but he’s he’s Brilliance did not just go away I mean how did no no no but still the life yeah but what but what what down Road that’s why he accepted that when when I don’t I don’t remember how he got that offer but but did he become a part of the uh The Establishment in Israel that he could really perform his skills no he didn’t no probably he didn’t that wasn’t available to him not in rad you have to remember this is small village yes and traveling to Tel Aviv was like a big deal at that time it was an adventure yes even though but you know today it’s I don’t know it’s north of Tel Aviv maybe only about half an hour away but it was an adventure those days yes it’s an adventure today also well in a different way in a different way yes so well so your wife is an artist and I just saw some my wife is an artist and I saw some of her paintings and it seems like she she she needs to be a dedicated artist in order to create what she’s creating so toly dedicated definitely and she can by the way she can do anything it doesn’t make any difference whether it’s abstract whether it’s pencil or butc color you seem to be very passionate about her art yes she is like you’re raving about it and you really passionate about it she is so so is she living a life of an artist or is it just like a a hobby that became something serious no but she’s not making a living out of it because she’s not like commercially or whatever so she’s the only way that she sold some some of the U abstract paintings the size of 4×5 our son-in-law he he started he started a very very beautiful special furniture shop in Brooklyn and he said you he can sell dots paintings and we brought over and he sold a ton of them and but then he moved he got elevated he moved to his shop to Long Island City and the whole his whole business got elevated to a stage where he could no longer the only kind of painting it’s mostly just Furniture it didn’t even have room to display the paintings but if there were paintings it was only paintings that were like older you know but not for somebody who’s unknown that didn’t fit his business anymore so but at the time that he was still in in Brooklyn he bought more than a dozen so so tell me about the the the the the uh circumstances that led you to actually find yourself in the East End in East Hampton okay we lived in in a larger House in Franklin Lakes New Jersey and then we used to come on vacation here and we stayed at the East Hampton house yes you know under the way 27 yeah right and and we liked it a lot and we spent like you know a week or two here in the summertime and then one day we went I remember it exactly we went to the carll which is up the road hereon yeah right uh and we had some ice cream and now now it’s getting a little bit dark it’s like Twilight Zone and we on the way back on the right hand side we saw the sign house for sale but it wasn’t by a realtor it was just private by the homeowner so we looked inside the driver a little bit and the dog his dog started barking barking barking louder and louder and the guy came out and he invited us in to come and he had all kinds of signs from Realtors like plucked in there the long and the short of it is that we ended up buying the house but it was it was like a little Cape but it was really in bad shape uh we thought that we would renovate but so what happened was that uh we were we were about to signed a contract what year was that uh around 2002 2003 so at that time I’m still at the East Hampton house all excited about it it was in July I come down and they had like a TV with breakfast and I was watching Wimbleton I’m I’m into was into tennis so a guy comes down and I’m all excited I tell him about it I said yeah but I’m going to need an attorney for the closing and I’m going to need somebody for the renovation and uh the person that possibly could help me is not not around so you know I’m sort of stuck right now I don’t know what to do so he said whoops I can help you in all fronts my son-in-law is a great Builder and his family they have an incredible attorney so you can that took care of that yeah and the end the bottom line is the son-in-law John piso ended up we had to tear down the house it couldn’t be a renovation because it was something the foundation was old so we ended up tearing down the House John P built a house for us and Anthony his attorney God bless his so he passed away he’s the one did the closing for us so that’s awesome that’s that’s how so you still live in the same house now yeah so we live in the same so we we only used the house like you know once in a while here and but uh when things became like out you know two my my son was my kids were grown up so that that house Franklin X was too too big so we sold the sold the house totally and then we moved here 100% oh good yeah awesome and that was maybe in 2004 something something like that I see so it’s been 20 years since yeah right and then we the only change we made to the house uh we didn’t like the landscaper that John recommended to us so we had better Landscaping I mean nothing fancy uh but also later on We did an addition and a renovation so the house is now bigger yes bigger and nicer that that that’s great so so do you travel to Germany to try and become familiar with your with the heritage of your father okay when my my mom God bless you is there any desire at all well when my mom was alive uh I went there many times because she used to go to uh uh to a resort called binal and as a matter of fact I was there when when we lived in Israel and my father was trying to get his stuff organized with with the lawn he was able to do that so we traveled we traveled to when we left Israel we actually I was about 14 and then I lived we lived in Berlin for about 9 months and then you know I got to see everything but it wasn’t Berlin was already no longer in Ruins anything like that it was pretty fancy already at least to to a boy who came from raadar it looked pretty fancy but there’s a resort that that they went to and I went with them it’s called banal it’s not far from the Austrian border from zburg MH and so when my mother was alive she went she went back there and I went to visit her many times so we went to to Germany and then when my son was born then we I my wife and I went and spent like a couple of weeks with her in B Hall so how did you end up in the United States you didn’t oh okay okay so that’s the uh right so now when you were 14 you were spent nine months in in Berlin and then right so then uh uh my dad had an aunt uh who was a psychiatrist who lived in Rochester and she sponsored us and we we we came here as a family legally as a family course yeah we went we went by boat by uh R by from Ram anyway did you wave to the lady as you came to the harbor I I think so but I love the the boat ride was nice yes and then we ended up living in in an apartment on the west side in Manhattan and then we moved permanently to Rego Park in Queens I love it yeah you know the area yeah yeah I know the area yes I know where so um but but as far as the uh the the nine was it only nine months you spent in in in Germany I was in school too they put me in school do you speak German by the way pretty good yeah pretty good that’s good so uh because they whenever um I visited um Germany in 1975 I with a family friend we went to Marburg and uh where which Marb it’s the University Town Marburg okay not um and then um it was my first interaction you know 1975 it was uh I remember when I was there I uh my mother gave me a star a gold a golden star Star of David and she said go show these people show show your strength show them who you are right I said but Mama I’m only 15 16 what strength what show she said you listen to your mama you just leave it exposed you hear me I said okay so then we went at some point we went to to to the bank there to exchange something and I was with with my friend my family the family friend and I had this German guy that was like in this 50 is looking at me very closely and then I realize he’s staring at my starve David yeah and I started making the math I said if he’s 50 and it’s 1975 then he must have been like 20 or something in in the war he must have been someone who killed Jews or something something you know that’s the things that I came to my mind and I went like this and I put the Star of David inside my shirt and I said better safe than sorry and uh but um the family friend gave me a crash course because he was an archaeologist and a historian they got his Masters and his PhD at the MarBorg University so when we went there to visit he gave me a crash of course about the Heritage the culture the language uh I picked up the German language there really pretty quickly and uh how long were you there uh 45 days oh but for me it yeah but but for me it was like eternity sure and I had a girlfriend there and whatnot it was like a big deal uh the early stages but I always think about Hans fada you know Hans fada the the author y well you need to know who Hans falada is and he wrote the book alone in Berlin but he wrote many books that were mindboggling he was the only author German author that stayed and remained active in Germany during the war Jewish no he’s not Jewish but but he what he wrote wasn’t so simple he was a a fantastic outof this world writer that managed to really portray the the reality so he he was in in touch with the Gobles the propaganda Minister um very closely because gbls was the one that reviewed his books and um um so sometimes he would be like summoned by Gobles to come to his office to answer some questions about the book that he wrote or something that he wrote and he used to always tell him listen I could have fled and left Germany and write whatever I wanted from across the border but I didn’t not like Hane and the rest of them they just left so you should give me some credit and he says don’t get me wrong I think the world of you but you cannot publish this or this or that you have to change this and that so I when you were saying Berlin suddenly the images and the uh the accurate uh description on behalf of a master that I read I read it a few times I read it in Hebrew and in English um just came to life suddenly the uh but but I I I wonder um so were you in Berlin as well yeah I was in Berlin yeah but very briefly just to maybe before as we were passing we went to Frankfurt we went to Berlin we went to mines we went to you know so 45 days I was in MarBorg and 2 weeks we were traveling so uh but but I was wondering about your dad ER how the early days of the Inception of the state of Israel in his eyes because obviously he just lost his family in in Germany that must have been I mean did he show any emotions did you did you see anything evident that he’s mourning the death of his a family not from my not from him and not from my mother when we lived in Israel my mother get got notification that her parents died in atrio she didn’t even know that and your dad’s a parents his mother committed suicide and quite honestly I’m not sure how his dad died I’m not sure it was concentration there was in the yeah was in the years of the war yeah yes yeah after he left you know he you know he wasn’t there anymore I yes no I understand so how was the communication between the families was any communication between between the time he left and until the time the the war took place what year did you did he leave Germany what year did he actually leave Germany I’m not sure I’m not sure exactly the date but it was you know when when Jews were already prosecuted was like I think he had some connections because of his position that he was able to leave but he left a bit late so to speak my mother early so she had no problem leaving yeah because you know the the relevance that I’m trying to draw from that is you know being Jewish and of course in the face of what’s Happening Now not that I’m trying to emphasize any I I don’t I never sit here and dwell about what’s happening or not because the world is full of incidents all over the corners of the World by way of people being victims finding themselves in the in the middle of battlefields and and just the desire to create battlefields on the behalf of human beings is something that I wonder about but 99.9% of the time here I talk about art and I talk about music and I talk about poetry and I talk about yeah yeah this is the way to go because this is what really increases the chances of survival for our world period is I believe I believe that wholeheartedly without any doubt without any second thoughts or second guessing myself clearly but I mean to uh it’s interesting that you grew with a family that was born in the heart of that place where the second world war and and the Holocaust erupted so it’s I’m very curious to to uh to see what goes through the mind and the hearts of the people that manag somehow to find themselves like in your case we do that to the state of Israel that’s fascinating actually I find it fascinating well since I had no idea you know I was just a little boy I had no idea about any of this so I didn’t detect any melodrama from my parents about I didn’t I didn’t that’s good for you I don’t remember that but I remember the most about Israel and the Palestinians there was one time when the British was still there there was there was a uh an Arab Village not far from raadar and I remember with British supervision I guess they they had to leave the Arabs so the uh British soldier he had he had sort of a problem with a donkey that was not behaving so she said to me he said you do you want to have the donkey I said yeah give me the donkey so I had a donkey but the donkey that didn’t last very long because somebody stole my donkey oh boy yeah but that was fun I remember just distinctly there are only certain things that you remember from your childhood that stand out yeah yeah definitely so so as as far as the The evolutionary process of you being born in Israel then traveling to uh to the United States and uh and so what was like the process like your education your creative Journey what shape did it take well we moved to Rego Park and then I entered Forest Hills High School which was was basically walking distance or going there with a bike so I spent my and I graduated from there and and then I went to Queen college and then while I was in Queen’s College I remember distinctly because that was something very very important that bunch of kids you know we talking said oh wouldn’t it be great to go to to a school you know not in the city but outside some place and then somebody mentioned oh yeah University of Hawaii so I said yeah and everybody dispersed and what did I do immediately I went to the library to look up the book about University of Hawaii and I ended up going to the University of Hawaii for one year oh that’s awesome my my junior year now that’s the very adventurous young guy you were again I made I made yeah I made I took action that’s a good point only talked about it yes they dispersed and I said I got to take action on this I got to check this out and I did that’s that’s a I just need to Yes uh let me just U mention that we’re sitting here with the Michael lenal levental um here Friday morning um April 26 year 2024 here with the yellow hello show and I also wanted to remind that tomorrow we have the opening uh for the solo exhibition that is uh being put together for Frank sofo that passed away about three months ago so it’s a great opportunity the 27th tomorrow Saturday which between three and six of course you’re all invited uh so that’s it pretty much it let me just see um okay we good with time so um so a propo a propo your your personality okay you’re going to talk about it but after you leave I’m going to go and and research and see maybe I can make it happen so but shouldn’t it be a given in our life I got to blow my nose that’s that’s take put the camera off so uh shouldn’t it be a given to have that Curiosity that you know nowadays it’s a special thing to to to act upon your desires while it should be something normal something that that is why do you think we’re so hesitant and so less experimental it should be especially in this day and age that people would be experimenting right and left uncontrollably almost why is why is it the opposite so much most people have fear and that fear stems from the unknown you know I don’t know has never been my case so I mean I took advantage always so so let’s just say when you were growing up in um and going to high school in Queens what kind of social interactions and what kind of conversations took place there let’s say in your late teenagehood uh what what was the topic what kind of conversations took place if you were to think about today’s you know yeah never ever ever anything political because there was no didn’t even exist you know conversation took place uh basically about girls don’t don’t mind me no no it’s okay don’t pay attention to me no my most of most of my friends were actually also foreign abod you know some from South America some from uh I remember one girl from turkey and from again South America Colombia and I don’t remember meeting any is Israeli kids there yeah but it was fun i’ no I just remember having a good time well the only really reason that why I want to venture into this direction is just thinking about you know like also being Jewish growing up Jewish in in the uh in the uh the area of of New York in those those years and what’s the significance of that is that was there any it was just like do you think it was due to the fact of the kind of a person you were and that managed that you managed to actually engage in other ways that didn’t leave any room for discussions about all you’re Turkish you’re Jewish you’re Christian didn’t never never existed in my life never that never never exists in my life as a matter of fact when it came to girls I had sort of an advantage they always said oh I love your accent so that gave me a little advantage I never had I never had any there was never anything about discrimination you’re Jewish or You Foreigner nothing nothing I’m surprised to hear that that’s good for you that’s great never ever but I think in your case really not in not in high school and not any time later in life never but did you see anything that’s happening around you in that sense it just sounds a little too too perfect to be good to be real I didn’t see anything around me which is you’re talking about like we have now anti-semitic yeah yeah or just like the tension just basic tension between not in not in my life maybe because I didn’t didn’t have a beard in wara that may be the case yeah you think that that was the only way that they could ass associate someone with either being Jewish or any other but I don’t know I’m I’m saying that if I was you know like kabat like and I had a keeper in the beard and more differently you know than maybe then I would have encountered stuff like that but otherwise I intermingled I don’t think anybody really paid attention who I am what I am that’s been my experience yeah no that sounds good so well okay so I want to go a little bit back to Art you know and and uh so uh the uh you the um reality unfolding as far as your wife is concerned being an artist in a certain capacity uh what do you mean by certain capacity me meaning that you know obviously when I if I see these paintings and I and I think about the fact that there’s a whole full body of work of art that means there there’s got to be a person that’s dedicated that’s actually painting totally dedicated she she grew up from the beginning you know being into art being into two things art and and horses I mean it’s and I always tell tell people you know when it comes to horses you know I say it as a joke but it’s pretty true I said If it’s between me and a horse I lose you lose does she have does she own a horse she know she she owned the horse when she grew up but now here she only think she she had rented a horse she shared a horse uh and she loved riding here but she hasn’t that’s that was you know already a couple of years ago so yes because I know a lot of women that that I painted their homes that own horses and their passion for horses on a horse yeah so what’s okay so what’s the aspiration okay where are we going from here where do you want to go no no not this discussion I’m talking about life so where are we going from here what’s what’s the what’s right there when we open the door and what what what is it that we expecting what is it that we wish for I mean obviously I wish for I wish for my wife to be well she’s like it’s like you know luckily you know she’s recovering well it was everything was caught early but uh it’s done something to her personality and not now she’s she’s bound to take the this medication that has she’s not tolerated that makes gives her pain and all the you know the like arthritis or something like that it’s like she wakes up she’s all stiff and everything so and she was like an acrobat before so yes so that’s my main concern is dealing with that and then I have my issues you know with balance and all of that so so that’s really we are pretty pretty much well for someone who has balance issues you look very sturdy that’s believe me but you don’t you don’t see me walking and that’s why I’m going to PT also you know to help me with it but it only it’s I’m way I’m I’m a lot better but way off from from my normal my I know when I look at my body my legs used to be the strongest part of my body now they’re the weakest I mean my wife and I we we we hiked Mao Picchu and that’s going back maybe 10 years ago or so and we loved hiking and I did I do still have my you know my bike I’ve been doing biking a lot my racing bike mhm going 15 miles 20 miles yes yes great right now it’s like I’m being hindered from doing any of that right now yes but the that’s why I was hoping that if I introduce Dr John Sarno to you that he will be uh you were wondering when we’re going to start talking about Dr Jon Sno yeah I was waiting for you to that up but you see I was very I want to I want to tell you how much I appreciate that that you you know you’re a very kind person and you look out for other people so I really appreciate because you believed 100% that this this would help me and you mentioned that didn’t help me because I didn’t do it seriously but that’s not really the case I read both books and I read certain chapters several times over I did my homework and everything and nothing happened as a matter of fact and I want to tell you something that I don’t want you to take it the wrong way because I don’t believe there’s any relationship but it just happens to be by coincidence the timing so right at that point when I was doing you know reading and being really into it I was in the gym just stepping the wrong way and I injured badly my achilles tendon in my left leg and I was put into a cast for four for six and a half weeks so when I came out of that cast I had to go to PT but my balance was shot when when I was I mean was really bad right now it’s improved but still when I walk I’m not steady I’m I’m wobbling yes rightfully so yes because you you went through a trauma so so that’s coincidentally just when I was doing the PT I I mean I no I started telling you that the thing is that you don’t you don’t need to be defensive there no relationship about it and then by wife by the way she read both books too she was into it what happened to her she got cancer breast cancer again strict one thing has nothing nothing to do with the other the point is the point is it didn’t if you read the books yeah that you should know that what happened to you ailles was not accidental cuz your mind knows everything to is to know about your body so so when your mind wants to lead you into the injury that you had it’s because that area was the most susceptible to be affected by an accident so that’s why Dr johon Sano speaks about the 99.9% of the time when you get pain I remember you get pain that you can actually prove it when you have CT and and all this so he says uh the Mind knows that you know know that you have issue with your gastrointestinal so it will affect your here mostly or the shoulders or whatever all injuries supposedly so the mind will do it accordingly usually you know very rarely that the action of the mind will be out outside of the realm of the things that are known to you if you know what I mean so but but the thing is that it most of the people who don’t benefit from Dr John Sno are those that were premature in their decision making process so okay I believe me I used to I remember that I used to I used to uh be with Dr John Sor and I used to ask him questions and he used to look at me and he says listen you just asked me a question that I answered you maybe a dozen times in the past why are you asking it again I said because I’m scared and I feel miserable and I feel vulnerable and I feel pain and I wanted to go away I said okay that we can talk about but don’t ask me questions that you got answers for Clear answers because we’re not in the business of U we’re in the business of marching forward so you think when I heard him speak I said my God this guy repeats himself like a parrot and that I didn’t like that so much but then I realized the magic of it I realize that this world renowned individual doesn’t just sit there and repeat himself because he’s got nothing to say is because this is what it’s all about you have to hammer the issues and you have to stick by what works in that sense so you know and our society is already you know in the prison that was set up for it to confine their ability to be dominant in the over their body and over the scenarios that the world is going through you think cancer is bad look at all the back issues throughout the the planet Earth look how many billions are affected by it and shuddered I was walking around I was walking around I couldn’t even go to the bathroom that’s how bad my sciatica was hindered and completely took out of commission my feet my I got heart pations Melancholia I got you know so many aspects to that confusion and constant pain I was on three different painkillers 24/7 so in my case if you were to ask me then to envision myself today 12 years later I would tell you that I would be like the way I am I would tell you you don’t know what you’re talking about I would tell you 12 years from now I’ll probably have three different kind of surgeries in the hands of people that don’t quite know what they’re doing even though they’re world-renowned surgeons so planet Earth is governed by that and inventing all these like fibrom mayaga have you ever heard of fibrom mayaga yes good that’s an invention that’s a a criminal invention that you take multi- symptom scenario and called it fibromyalgia and invent a medicine for it that’s criminal right there criminal I realize that so I don’t argue with that so no no so you have a you have a know in our world I’m saying you know because I already H showered you with all this so I’m talking to you like a veteran you know we’re we’re equal you you graduated but since you met me and we talked about that Dr CH you graduated already I know I I really appreciate it and I am totally convinced that it so much helped you and it so much helped other people in my case we can argue from here to you can convince me tell me all of this it’s not for me that’s that’s the bottom line yeah and I’m sorry I wish it could have as a matter of fact I remember that while I was was doing that and my back was hurting so much and I had an appointment to get to get a cortisone shot I said you know maybe I shouldn’t get it because I’m embarrassed to tell that to to H you know I was really feeling bad that if if I did that I would I would have to tell him or Li so you I want to do that you know why I met Dr johon Sno because I called Dr johon Sno after I read his book and I told him magic I read the book and I feel the difference I can’t believe you I need to see you and he said no you don’t need to see me because it seems like it’s working on you that’s good leave it at that guess what I told him but I’m scheduled to get a cortisone shot in a week from now I still have the pain and he said okay I’m going to see you tomorrow come tomorrow come tomorrow come tomorrow immediately uh I didn’t understand the mag the the the the gravity of it but when I went there he said I needed to save you because this is almost like a no return there’s no return from that it’s like you don’t want to go there at all and then I learned so much about it and uh educated myself in in that sense uh also I went to the therapist you know because he put together a whole group of therapists that are compatible with TMS and when I went to see the head of the department that agreed to see me even though I didn’t really need it she shook my hand and she said I’m looking forward to learning so much from you today as a therapist I remember you told me that St so right there it made sense it really did make sense and I still felt like I’m I’m I’m getting a very constructive session here that probably in the Freudian reality will take you like two years to achieve what what we achieved in one session you know was unbelievable but it’s amazing how the world is ready to uh make drastic decisions without giving a chance to something that it’s because for the most part it’s because they don’t know how close they are to the Breakthrough and to resolutions if we would if we would have known if we would have known how close we are to that breakthrough and maybe we will decide differently it’s because we always feel like it’s either it’s impossible or it’s so far away who wants to deal with it anyway that’s that anyway all I’m all I can say is at least I made you read the books you know I’m convinced it helped you and I’m so happy that it helped you I mean that’s really the bottom line um I at least I’m glad that you picked up the book and read them that’s good them it probably helped you in ways that you know way was very interesting yes yes yes definitely so um well let me see what we have here I want to thank you for being here with me we are we done yeah 57 minutes you didn’t even you didn’t even harm me that’s why you’re going to have to come again no reason to be scared see I allowed you to express yourself as much as you need it let me let me just say we’re going to be here tomorrow as much as we were here yesterday and as much as we’re here this morning Friday morning April 26 year 2024 here with the Holo show and Michael lenthal is here with us Michael thank you so much I really appreciate it my pleasure enjoyed it very much it was so harmless and I love you you’re terrific guy you too I love you I love you too my friend you are a terrific guy keep up the good spirits don’t forget tomorrow the 27th 3 to six we have the opening here thank you Michael again I really appreciate it