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Yeah kind of like El Dente spaghetti on a wall it didn’t stick you know what um I know we’re live but uh I I do have to say that I have to start shopping at multiple grocery stores I’ve now reached that phase of my life yesterday I was getting stuff for
Dinner and I my wife made me go to get dog food on the way because we’re poor and we eat dog food um she and so I was going by Safeway and so I stopped off at Safeway and Safeway has the Cheo pasta and the Cheo pasta is so much better than anything
You can get anywhere else I don’t I honestly this dish I made last night was a tomato based pesto it was tomato almonds a little bit of Basil handful basil and what else a pepperi pepper puls and and made into a pesto it was so good I thought of you guys you
You non meeting hippies yeah you should make that hippies I I did make it I made it last night and I had it for lunch again today where was my invite um the same place the invite that you said hey you want to go out for
Drinks tonight uh he said this to me on Friday hey you want to go out to drinks and I said said sure let me check with my wife ghosted me never even called I sat you know was staring at my phone you know what it was he’s went ah I sent it
To Pat yeah no he sent it to me in person to my face cuz you sent out a thing like the you the Perry that was when you were in Perry right no that was when I was that was when I was standing right in front of you having PT you dick right
No I wasn’t there I was you were standing right there we talked hi my name I’m going to trust you guys I blacked out last few nights it’s I’m like it’s a whole different dimension that I’m in right now I have sleep under my belt I’m in a coma oh my
God I still hav up Pur mattress it’s that purple mattress purple drink you guys we need to get them to sponsor us really yeah we can be like inos and travel you’re telling me this right after I bought a a mattress for Jackson’s old room yep um um but I
Bought a $300 mattress and it’s all memory foam it’s all memory foam I don’t know if I’m a memory foam kind of guy I’m not no I’m a purple kind of guy but the purple’s nope it’s a hybrid it’s not memory foil what’s the spring what there
Is actually spring in the bottom of it but it’s rubber on top yeah it’s like these cylinders that you’re laying on it’s awesome really I’ve got a Sleep Number yeah you didn’t [ __ ] around you didn’t screw around I crank it up to 100 I said does it go up to 150 yeah I
Wanted as hard my wife has to have it she has it like at 35 mine’s 100 and it’s still this would be comfortable for me you wonder you wonder why his bike position is the way it is yeah I know cuz it’s always worked and it’s going to
Work I slept on the floor when I was a kid and I’ll do it still oh man David don’t even bother they’re just names you don’t even know I don’t even know what you’re talking about it looks like you’re coloring on your on your scoring sheets oh these
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Adorable he is oh jeez it is truly The Most Wonderful Time of the Year sure is likely raining where you are the weather is still a bit nippy and the trainer not quite yet ready to be put away but Holy Week starts on Sunday cycling’s Holy Week that is actually holy weekly week
Yeah started last week yeah Palm Sunday big Catholic thing wel welc to the pack filler cycling podcast we are Live on YouTube and pack filler.com from the rim break bar in Spokane Washington a city who just recently benefited from global warming I think that’s from last week
And I didn’t delete it but we are no we’re not today it’s raining and it’s shitty and it’s cold I’m Pat bul let’s see who’s here with tonight’s prologue question gentlemen what does Easter mean to you in terms of traditions stories or plans like how do you what are your your
Thoughts do you celebrate do you bother are you a heretic are you a ham eater or any of that kind of stuff first off he’s probably and I’m I’m following it your in with what kind of candy I figure you would be if you were an Easter person oh W all right so
First So Pro first off he’s probably a chocolate Easter Bunny kind of guy but it would have to be a Belgian chocolate Mr P man right yeah nailed it one down nice first of all how are you man good good and second of all what’s your what’s your thoughts on Easter when I
Was younger it was um kind of like family gathering stuff um it always seemed to be like weatherwise a little windy you know but and then I hated going to church yeah oh I hated it I hat it so um but nowadays is not a big thing
Um that’s picked up me drinking that’s how quiet you are that thing is cranked yeah when you’re not here we can hear an echo sometimes from calan we can hear the racism in North Idaho sorry Utah back to Easter go Paul yeah so you didn’t like going to church no I hated
That part as a kid and Easter egg hunts like why am I looking for for boiled eggs when I don’t like them anyway yeah mhm you know and then the night before your fingers are still dyed you know that type of thing you and I are still old enough that we remember actually
Hunting for eggs not plastic ones with like money in them and [ __ ] money they got money oh money in them $20 golden egg yeah yeah but nowadays um now my daughter’s going to be putting on a dinner and invited me over so my wife’s working so I’ll just over there I don’t
Know okay just wonder probably next off he’s probably a I’m guessing a high-end Jelly Bean kind of guy I I just see you no oh wow damn you really missed the ball come on peeps peeps oh I I was I was going to say David’s into peeps oh absolutely
Not peepy Crush peeps I got the wrong brother marshmallows for days I will make myself sick off marshmallows I will eat marshmallows easily I’m the one so nasty no it’s more sub That’s My Style whole graham cracker two Jumbo marshmallows a whole bar of Hershey’s chocolate and a whole another
Gr cracker that’s repeat time three repeat times three but that’s not Easter but you can get a marshmallow for Easter that’s so gross don’t don’t don’t roast those it’s mol in lava I’ve never had made mistake I’ve never had one when I was a kid 55 years I’ve never had
A PE the preservatives in that thing will yeah keep you alive for at least another 100 years I don’t want to live that long fact fact I don’t want to live in that world those things were probably made like in the 70s still like they have an abundance of them and and
They’re still soft when you open up the rapper so gross so gross yeah um I was going to say he’s probably into Peeps are you a highend jelly bean kind of guy David did I get the brothers wrong what’s your choice um what’s your Easter
Cy I would mean I m in jelly beans that sounds better than peeps it’s not Peeps I like chocolate though yeah chocolate good yeah um what’s your oh Easter traditions we didn’t get Sam’s Easter tradition I know not really whatever it’s fine I’m not yeah I would never
Give up like my morning right to go do like CU usually the weather’s changing like I want to go ride my bike yeah but I’ll do whatever if like you know people want to do an EAS for Easter dinner I’ll do an Easter dinner cuz I probably burn
The calories throughout the day what’s the Easter dinner at the wles households toe fery you know just a giant hack of Enis us just like rabbits just like eating just a block of cabbage roasted carrots you don’t have you don’t have actual chairs at your table you just sit cross-legged
Style you just in the garden yeah yeah we just pull up weeds one at a time hey man let’s all just get together and thank Mother Earth for everything she’s given us put in put in the whale sounds don’t take too much we don’t want to
Take don’t take don’t take too much from other I love this track don’t take too much from the bunnies yeah it’s Easter okay uh oh God uh Jackson he’s definitely a skittles Guy Mr Jackson buer unless you’ve changed you know I’m a connoisseur of all of the candy type
You are you have always been a sweet tooth mhm I have yeah and speaking of Sweet Tooth I made the scratch cookies the other day oh I put chocolate chips in them super good right yeah my wife and I have been a little bit sad that it’s a limited
Edition make yeah bummer yeah that’s a bummer yeah they’re really good Easter though really I’m going to be honest I just get super excited I get to eat CAD Berry eggs nice you so that okay what are those again that’s what you make no no so the cadburry eggs there are
Multiple iterations so there are the like the fully like solid uh candy coated eggs little mini ones and then there are also the big catberry eggs that have like the filling in them that you can’t find in anything else in this world it’s probably I mean it is
Something that will also keep you alive for an EXT marm kind of it’s like a cream it’s unbel dude another candy I’ve never had that try one ridonculous I would bathe in that [ __ ] dude I love it bathe in I’ve got a short little story
About that this is an on gross man it looks like a raw egg in well you done tell you eat it and it’s not gross so I’m not a big fan of them but the story is and even to this day and I think it’s been going on a tradition with my
Daughter and I we were at my sister’s um uh Easter and there was all these jelly B uh Jelly Bellies and everything out and the only thing I I saw was cadberry EG well at least it’s chocolate and my daughter was well I had to be eight
Years ago because it’s when she was pregnant with our grandson okay and she goes hey Dad I like cadberry eges and I unwrapped it and I went and I ate it from this day she always like fills my pockets around Easter it’s full of cadberry eggs she just she sent me a box
Of cadburry eggs bring it in well I usually ended up spreading it out and giving it to people that like it I’m not a big fan of them but it’s just run so on our grandson’s two-year-old birthday we had the scoop this ice cream yeah and
I went and I said you got to make cadberry egg I brought the cadberry eggs that she sent me and you make an ice cream out of it but you cannot serve my daughter I never give she never gets any of my cadberry eggs no matter how many I
Get I make sure she never gets any that’s so funny that’s and it goes on to the stay in fact when was it two days ago I we saw her and I felt something go in my pocket and was a cat Berry egg wow eight years
That’s kind of C is yeah you know that’s fun abusive sort of way yeah in a haha that’s so sad kind of way might be generating some therapy bills yeah yep me I am I am a Starburst jelly bean guy those Starburst jelly beans are dangerous huh I don’t like had oh it’s
The flavors of Starburst but in classic jelly beans do you seem I dude hey I’ve never had a cat Egg and I was also appalled at that nor Peep and I was equally AOL in that yeah peep is how old are you you prob so it’s only cool it’s only shocking if it’s
Something you like is that what you’re saying oh no I like all of it no no Jackson I understand um I used to be the way into the idea that a a six-foot rabbit would come into my room and leave an Easter did your parents ever leave
The Easter basket in your room while you were sleeping no no see my parents did that yes your parents did that shut the I know it’s intrusive yeah no they would do it and and I’d wake up in the morning thinking a six foot rabbit came into the
House and I wasn’t afraid that feels unsafe um but now I’m I we’re going to be gone this weekend and um feel free to rob my house um no we’re going to be gone and uh and I I looked at my wife and I said can we
Have ham because I don’t know why I still want a ham on Easter Sunday even though it’s super salty and I’m riding for like 4 hours the next day and I’m going to be great a wreck and she Michelle makes what she calls the big butt potato
Salad which is just classic potato salad with potatoes eggs [ __ ] mayo oh yeah onion celery little squirt of mustard you just eat it and just go sorry everybody who’s listening in their headphones cuz it’s just so gross but it’s so good uh before we get to tonight’s episode on
Our past weeks I need to mention that this is our our Flanders rubet double whammy there will not be a show next week because I’m going to be on a training camp working on my zone 2 to three as you guys recommended and sprinting my way to Hopeful better uh
Power to weight ratio and Tacos yeah I’m Central Washington man there’s some great tacos in central Washington so that’s what I’m going to do but for night we must catch up how has everybody been in their cycling live um as we are already 16 minutes in how’s
How did everybody’s weeks go excellent I you what what really what about how was it not ex no I’m going to be jealous oh I mean I wrote out I wrote outside like every time like every time I could I think I took two days off from writing
Outside and yesterday I rode inside for the first time yeah rode inside for the first time in like a week and a half it’s been great I love it yeah I feeling great feeling happy about it so okay excellent is the word to describe it yeah I definitely like this last week
Just knowing that like that we were going to kind of have a bad spell of weather there I was like I just didn’t get caught up in the I need to go ride we did a mountain bike ride I did another ride last week out on the road
But other than that strength training and just getting ready for next week kind of almost a rest week for my last block okay yeah terrible a Terri terrible mine was terrible um Saturday I wanted to go for a ride but U my mom had some electrical problems drove out there and you know
It’s a 30- minute drive and went downstairs and turned the Braker on it worked so there was my right so I thought while I’m here I was G to make a joke but I didn’t want to that was basically the joke I was that’s what it
Was um and then uh you know she’s going to be 91 uh next month yeah wow so um yeah so I thought you know this is a good time to talk talk to her and catch up just the most boring conversation she didn’t know
Who Eddie Ms was I mean what do we have to talk about what is does she have an opinion on dis brakes or or tubus tires yeah she she’s like nowhere on this so what do I have to talk to her about Mom I’m sending you the files read the
Godamn homework mom or I’m not coming over and I pulled up and I said you know who you picked for Ru and she’s like she said I don’t know not even hook R yeah Ru what is it hookless R she how CL what do you think because of the molds are saving
Money in the molds is that it so how you feeling about the race in two weeks we’re talking about this in the show don’t jump the shark sorry so anyway and then today was my RDO I wanted to ride but my sister’s leaving town who does
The ma majority of the taking care of my mom oh it’s bestowed on me and I have to take over on the 30th gotcha so then yeah okay so I didn’t get to ride today Sunday I did after um gigum yeah I hopped on uh Ruby for the last time oh
My God last time yeah for the last time this until fall you know yeah fall late winter early winter um and did the uh the fields of Flander so I went over the cleberg everything did you know what while I was watching I’ve been watching some of these races I’m actually to the
Point now where I’m like going holy [ __ ] I recognize that yeah and I said to my wife while we were watching the race and I got a problem with flow bikes again but I’m watching the race I’m going honey I rode that ride I rode I’ve been
On that ride I’ve ridden that road she’s like what like well in the other room online she just again I think if she rolls her eyes anymore they’re going to fall out of her face yeah because she does like this slow clap yeah it’s like well done huh yeah right yeah you’re a
True hero yeah climbed off of it went to my account canceled until did you yeah I’m done packed it up after I took a shower oh are you month storage yeah oh I paid for the year think mine’s done for the at the end of this month I paid for the year
Mhm stupid David how’s your cycling life it was fine I did more mountain biking and gravel stuff last week and this week um didn’t have a lot of expectations the weather really slapped me I feel like it just slapped me in the face I’m like oh so nice yeah bam rain cold wind
So yeah and that’s but man we a great Mountain Bike Ride Like That is it was just a like refresh onto why like trails are good trails are good trails are good gravel’s good gravel gravel’s good hero dirt I uh I got I got some strength in
Um I got one really good ride in with Jackson on on Friday because the weather was still nice oh my gosh it was and that was I don’t know how I’m doing is the problem I mean Jackson dropped me on the dirt oh you’re going to get slapped okay
Thanks Sam I thought you wanted to know how you’re doing no I’m just GNA you know what I almost should have a second I also said that to Jackson the other weekend and you know he was right there the whole time I should have a second
Mic on the floor for when I need to get into the fetal position continue the show just rock back and forth make sure you get a camera mounted down anyway um because I don’t I you know I’m sure Jackson’s being nice to his dad and you
Know and there were times that I felt I was kind of going you know we were side by side and is he I can’t even look him in the eye right now cuz and I and we were going in a pretty good Tempo I thought at times but I have a feeling it
Wasn’t and so I don’t know in small ring while you were in the big and he he like looks over he’s like hey you you should just draft you know we should we should work on some Tempo was that Dad I was freewheeling I couldn’t hear you over n
He was hands off bars mixing himself a martini yeah yeah this is why don’t you have power yeah like then you don’t have to wonder what like you just look what those don’t mean anything you number guy because it’s power to wait it’s power to wait that’s fair when you’re me 600
Watts is getting out of bed in the morning that’s just clipping in yeah stop sign grabbing the brakes 350 wats how do you guys feel in terms of preparedness quick response ripe and ready to go okay I’m excited okay um anybody else Paul I want to hear
Paul’s if you smell something I [ __ ] my pants he’s so like he’s so like self to though he’s like oh no I’m I’m horrified yeah I am 50 bucks 50 bucks and I’ll miss the top five the first Twilight series well I won’t I won’t be able to
Do the first one because that is Thursday our granddaughters we haven’t seen for three weeks and she’s coming back neither will I so that’s good I’m going to be two days off of of a heart surgery are you guys in bees ra no comment okay to be determined yep cool
Yeah um did finish the 10,000 squat challenge nice I do want to say I did 600 squats in one day final challenge was I’m swole bro yeah it shows it shows and you can’t even see me from the waist down no I can’t yeah your whole ass has a whole new zip
Code I’m almost a wle yeah you have to go by GMT instead of PST the time that took me a minute I’m like my initials are GMT oh no good mountain trunk we reach for that one so how many of you guys are still are going to continue with strength
Training throughout the year anybody Sam raises his hand in an audio I will you will M how many times you know two or three times a week probably more like year round yeah okay Sam I’ll commit you to okay man anybody else not none of you
Guys I haven’t even started yet okay so why start I’m kind with with Paul here you know I told you guys I got some weights I used them for like four weeks I hit a dry spell they don’t call me anymore they don’t call you anymore your weights your weights said
Ghosted you but also it’s like I mean I you’re doing so many house projects right now it’s like but how bad is it that that’s what we classify as an upper body workout like what yeah oh I’m doing this I’m doing house when you’re hanging drywall and stuff it’s
Hard work yeah I’m I have to continue I I always find I do it really well in fall winter and early spring and then I stop and you can just watch some of my power numbers drop as not being your therapist I will say you definitely need
To continue to oh yeah yeah absolutely yeah the shoulders shoulders stuff and things like that I will say it’s crazy how big of a difference it does make cuz like over the past week and a half like you typically I remember David you came
Up and you were like how you doing and I was like you know my ass is really sore cuz sitting on the bike for 3 hours sucks but but like upper body I was not sore at all and that’s the first time that’s weird so it’s it’s it’s a game
Changer is anybody going to hit the trainer anymore when does the trainer go away or you going to stay summer Jackson you shook your head it it never goes away if I don’t have time to go outside I will go on the trainer in July yeah if
If I don’t have the time I will get the training in cuz I’ve had so many years now where the form’s dropped off because I’ve just been like uh I go out I got to go outside and it’s not the same you know level that I need okay no more
Trainer yeah probably not for me Paul the squit Ruby mhm I put it I even packed it up and put it down in our storage really ni spat on it while you close the door yeah y to took the cogs off of it you don’t even deserve the
Cogs on that thing those cogs would just be poisoned just weak and Squishy totally alone yeah yeah close the door trainer’s just like going hello yeah hello forget it anybody yeah no you’ve been a bad I do think there’s a like if if if you were dedicated I do think
There’s a good place for indoor training year round but yeah it just isn’t doesn’t bring me enough Joy I think I’m going to keep i m it always stays out because I have a dedicated space for it so I’ll leave it there um I’ll unplug it
But I you know can always reach over plug it back in with making an old man grunt before I do like while I bend over uh does anybody race into fitness anymore is that just a thing of the past I remember Paul we can talk about that
The actual ability to have enough events to actually get bike races and use them to race into fitness but here we are people who won’t travel for more than you know we need at least two races to travel or something to you know see or spectate making a weekend out of it you
Know I I don’t is racing to Fitness a thing anymore I mean that’s basically why I went to kind of like yeah was to just get my butt kicked that’s a Freda for me and it worked mission accomplished I I mean I feel pretty good right now for where we’re at okay nobody
Else no it’s going to be AF frea for me and then yeah the first several CRS will definitely just be like doing attacks and trying to get race Fitness because yeah I care more window out the window yeah hey Sam’s going to attack what I mean I don’t know I like without
Sounding like a total ass here like I am so marked in the local field like if I off the front you’re that cool but for some reason I’m not even good people are Mar wles no it’s like like I’m going to follow Sam I know him and it’s like do
You ever don’t follow me this isn’t a good move to go in do you ever think it’s I’m gonna follow Sam CU he always goes to the front and pulls hard no because I dude you think you sure about that I mean remember they always counter
Me and then they drop me after about an hour before the race it’s almost like they knew what I was going to do before I go I’ve had people come up to me at the end of the race and be like yeah no I was just my whole plan was just
Marking you I’m like yeah that was a bad plan huh yeah how did that work how did that work like you remember last year then they like oh by the way I got to go to the podium presentation yeah you remember those two like triathletes that
Showed up last year nobody knew who they were and they would just Mark like you or whoever else and then they let them go and they like completely were gone yep these people that we just didn’t know but they were like very cleanly fast like when I wasn’t there then they
Just put in one Massive Attack and blew the doors off everybody anyways no it’s yeah anyway back to my point it the early season is for like kind of getting those efforts in and like I’m tour to bloom that’s my that’s my thing you’re race to Fitness or you
Think you’re going to do well oh I don’t think I don’t have no dreams of grander that I’m going to do well but that is my aace so like all the races leading up to that are like preparation so that’s the big dog that is the race right and then rc3 and
Yeah all right silence in the group means I can go to our headlines uh from the past week brought to us in part by Muk off featuring cleaning materials tools and tubless technology unrivaled in performance use the Link please in professional cycling the past week has provided us with a [ __ ] ton of intrigue if you have been paying attention hi David um first off the race known as little Flanders AKA get beam happened this past weekend my wife makes up names for all the races um when um
When I tell her she says oh what’s the race on this weekend I said get bubblegum she says get bubble gum so that this is get bubblegum yeah um and and uh Primos ruget she calls Remos Primos yeah no rugi Blick or something like that I kind of have to get her down
There but uh get bubblegum happened this past weekend with anything other than a sprinter’s paradise taking place final came down to two riders with it a rarity these days with dominating solar solo performances that have been happening um in the form of match Vanderpool and Matts Pon gunning it out over the climbs
To a sprinting drag race providing Pon with his second gent Victory um so who watched it David no way little boys growing up David even knows some facts about mads Pon wait what I do yeah why talking about his height yeah his weight I went down a hole Yeah we were watching the
Sprint I’m like God they are big and and I was like we looked up not Matt’s not super tall I don’t think the conclusion for the Elf on the Shelf from our discussion was that I would be big in the tour like physically not successfully physically cuz even the big
Guys are like 5 10 5’1 yeah like how tall do you think Matthew is Matthew he’s 61 yeah no he was 60 and mads was 5 10 yeah W is 63 or in there oh he’s Bonin is was yep and Bradley wigin and there were some guys but like your
Earlier premise was completely [ __ ] is what you said they’re all small and we at mad and you’re like mads is huge like he’s thick and then it’s like he’s 510 and one 70 kilos which is about yeah about no that’s 100 about 60 100 around 160 pounds 158 my my alltime fave sigon
He’s like 510 he’s big you look at him that big dude but really he’s just wide yeah um would the course change and Paul might be able to comment on this you because you tend to know these stats um this was a different K fgam than I
Remember in years I it seemed like there were gravel sections there were uh more the climbs seem to come later in the race which is not a normal thing for again belum it usually seemed kind of like the the climbs happen and then it’s more of a of a group effort I’m thinking
Of bam gmet winning and things like that MH was this year that different not not in the last couple years the plug streets which those are the gravel sections yeah they’ve made this turned this into the memorial of of World War I yeah so in the old days the camberg is
Always the big one um they had a couple of Hills you know you know up until the last 30 yeah Ru Ru yeah um so yeah this the uh it really does kind of sit the way they started it used to be start and G but it starts yeah and on the menate
And stuff so that it has altered a little bit but pretty much where you know um a sprinter or you know a power guy could get away but it was when Wy yeah yeah Wy I watched it down here while I was assembling a 3D printer and the one thing was constant was
The during in in every microphone and it was it was bad MH it was a beautiful race it was fun to well I listened to it but I bounced back into here and stuff like that it was a great one has has Litt Trek found the solution to
Competing against matchev vpol not on Friday they didn’t no they had a bad Friday yeah E3 is is oh yeah yeah that’s but I mean that’s what did they correct and I think so I think yeah I think also Vanderpool was he burned a lot of
Matches yeah doing that he he’s he did look a little weak in my opinion on um well week for him yeah um on on Sunday and I’m sure he just he felt that I mean what was it in on E3 he took off with
How many k it like 60 or 50 was it maybe 50k but I think that Litt Trek has really found their triple threat in terms of the classic season who would have thought that Jonathan Milan is what he is like I didn’t I knew he was a powerful Sprinter winning the chiclamino
Jersey last year in the zerro but not to see I was not expecting to see him at the front of races like pushing matchu Vanderpool and and I I was happy to see it and I also uh listened to another podcast with Cosmo Catalano from how the
Race was won and um it was really interesting to hear how that him having him was so interesting because when mads and uh matchu went off the front together neither of them made the decision oh my sprinter’s behind I don’t have to pull cuz realistically yasper Philips was
Back there too so Vanderpool could have just been like I’m not pulling either you you continue to pull me around or my Sprinter is going to catch us and probably win but then to think about that Jonathan Milan is also in that group as well who’s put in a lot of was
In there for a while too yeah but unfortunately flatted on the plug streets but yeah it was I I think that they are kind of using the tactic of what yumbo Vima did or now Vima lisab bike with t Pacha it’s just when you have that one unbeatable character you
Got to use the team yeah and it’s I was happy to see somebody else besides mat you win and what a team it’s become I mean the women had a lurena um Lena weas weas has been doing really well she just got barely nipped out by uh um Elisa balamo no yeah
Lis Lis s got beaten by weas and weas is uh yeah so you know we’re getting hearing a lot of that name but that was just showing that Leal Trek is you know turn it into something a little bit more powerful and if you look at the the
Women’s roster for the upcoming Classics they little tr’s got a really good lineup that’s looking pretty good so that could be something else also Elsewhere on the continent Tad paga dominated the Volta catalunia winning four stages and crushing just about anybody in his wake the final stage a a
A Sprint stage basically with a pretty nice little climb on that lap um still won it um thoughts on today’s quest to win everything um is this sustainable are I mean this is this dude is tackling two grand Tours and a multitude of major Classics
Is well I mean let’s think about it what happened last uh what happened last year right so um Jonas Veno goes to the tour wins the Tour by three minutes Jonas Vino goes to the welta gets second right second or third I think it was so realistically it’s something that a
Grand tour writer can do and we see pach taking a much different route this year in terms of skipping a lot of these Classics he didn’t he’s not doing Flanders yeah he’s not doing re which I think next year he probably will but um I think he’s going to go to the Ziro
Looking at the zero roster he’s probably going to kick the living [ __ ] out of everybody else there if we’re really thinking about it and then and then yeah yeah and then he goes to a tour which already have ridden a grand tour got it in the legs got the experience and he’s
Probably going to have an amazing team go with him so I’m really interested to see how he handles this year Jonas Vino also this year is destroying every single one week stage race that he’s racing in as well so they’re kind of going head-to-head in the exact same
Approach but they’re keeping them apart from each other it’s interesting yeah I think right now I think T would might be able to take him on a onewe stage race I’m really interested to see a three though when it comes to both of them yeah I think that like yonas by the time
You get to the tour he Peaks so well just for that that he’s like he’s good for the tour but I would agree he’s not ready early season yeah I think it’ll be interesting just because uh Vima uh Lisa bike won’t have wout uh they lost Nathan
Van Hoy dunk so on the flats and and all that I don’t know if the you know the strength of the team is going to be there for him as much is that’s what worked to their advantage against yeah I mean they’ll still have um yeah you’re
Right even in the climbs but uh so I think it’ll be interesting on that they’ll have to approach it not like they did the last couple of years yeah they’ll have to have a different strategy so and the signing of pav COV to UAE I think is going to be a large
Catalyst in these grand Tours this year mhm David I don’t want to leave you out man um you watched a bike race this weekend and I don’t mean this in a condescending way you’re a busy dude you’re a busy dude and you got all this kind of stuff going on
Um what did Davey Davey take away what did gorilla Dave no tornado Dave tornado take away from from this weekend I mean I and I don’t yeah I’m busting your balls but but I’m not busting your balls when I’m asking you about what you take away it’s really nice to watch bike
Racing when when the opportunity presents itself um I was uh I mean I was surprised to see mads beat um matchu vandero in the end but I mean we I thought it was especially had the lead out to it yeah he like couldn’t even come around him in the end but yeah
Put in more work throughout it I don’t have thoughts on the the other races yet did you how much did you watch just final like 5K or something like that oh okay I was watching it from I found this like like YouTube channel yeah that plays it no audio yeah or Dutch
Highlight no no no no it’s not it’s live I know but you’re but you’re you’re basically watching 5K of oh no I watched from 50k you can watch the whole thing you can watch the whole thing I just when I was over at his house I’m a highlighter yeah but there’s just no
Commentary um it’s interesting it was weird it was weird the Sprint’s happening and you’re like could somebody please yell like what’s going on yeah I know can somebody yell at me right now yeah I I um I’ve had an ongoing battle with flow bikes and um I appreciate
Everything they do I just want to get that out of the way first the morning of gent bam I come downstairs I know I can I can rewind and watch it I don’t get up like Paul at the crack of dawn I get up I come downstairs I turn on Flow bikes
Everything’s ready to go I hit play and it’s the [ __ ] podium in the logo before I even hit select it’s showing live footage in the logo of the three guys standing on the podium that is that is maddening how much do you pay for that to I don’t want to talk about
That that is I just do want to talk about that at the top of my lungs I’mma push my mic away I went [ __ ] you I was so mad because I don’t know what to do with any more flowe racesc and by the way when I
I shut it off and I waited again because you got to wait for everything for their coverage to be over and then it takes about another hour for it to be available on replay okay that’s what they do HBO no it says start from beginning and you’re like sure you
Select it it’s just a a picture okay you hit select from beginning on Max but this they think they’re being cool and hip and and up to speed you know by showing us this is what’s going on right now Jump On In you’re like [ __ ] you
That’s the podium and um I just H and when I I logged in I think there was an oh an hour later that’s my point an hour later there was a headline on the site that said Pon wins G vev gum before you even get to the watch button who’s in
Charge at this website because I want to kick them in the balls if they have balls that’s so interesting I had the polar robers experience I woke up at like 9 this is my Charlie Brown [ __ ] life I woke up at like I’d say 8:30 or 9 and I just
That’s when I got up well I just clicked down hit the replay had no issues I will say I think developers could work a little bit better on their app it’s kind of it sometimes has a it shits bed a little bit yeah it’s clumsy that’s a
Great way to describe it um but I didn’t have that I will also say I wonder if that’s something to like get people people like to know oh this is live you just hit the most unfortunate timing like of course they’re showing the podium at the exact time that like
That’s just such bad timing i m is holding the trophy above hising head yeah MH that’s fny and I just looked at my wife and my wife sitting there on the couch looking at her iPad you know doesn’t give a [ __ ] just I I start losing my I start losing my [ __ ] again
She’s like going okay what day is it any day that ends in a why Pat loses his [ __ ] but I would I don’t ask for much but I do ask you know I know that you want to get people excited about it that it’s a live feed put the word live
Up there it’s just so stupid well now you know go down to replays just scroll quick you got to do that thing with your eyes where you like blur them while you’re looking yeah like I’m looking at those old 3D paint pictures of people in their house like this let’s let’s let’s
Bump let’s go to head I’m just oh punch people even though I don’t I I I probably you’re such a nice guy I bet if I hit somebody it would just wouldn’t even hurt cuz my shoulders are weak and stuff like that and i’ I’d spend so much
Time I’d spend so much time thinking about it that I just kind of screw it up it’s like when people watch you you know if you’re walking down the aisle like when I got married I knew I was walking all stupid because people were watching
Me and I forgot how to walk so the moment you go to swing at somebody I’d be like Bernardin know in that picture where he’s just like you know just hand back it’s like going a great profession punched like a cyclist since people are always watching your profession like
Stage you know oh no I direct that’s I guess that’s true not on stage we are jumping ahead to the classics and in terms of the classics I know the Ard ends is fun with but but with Flanders and Ru book ending this week the tradition the spectacle the just the
Glory couldn’t be higher and and I don’t know if you guys know but we do have somebody in our midst who’s been to these races H yeah Paul M has been to Belgium yeah have I told you guys that wow what first time hearing of it wow that’s where
Those what that’s where those came from um and so we’re we’re bumping Changing Times up a little bit with our Holy Week preview so um I have a bunch of questions but I just kind of wanted to let you as somebody who’s been there talk to us about the the the events
Themselves um uh and I’m sure you’d have it you know a little on tradition and things like that but the and and also the differences between the two because I know you know first of all there’s a country between the two technically but um the cultures and and the way the
Races are done and and the types of writers just give us an overview of your experience on those two well just to briefly my first um Peri Ru that I watched was in 2013 and then I watched it again on 18 um I missed Flanders in 2013 by one
Day it just just schedule from work and everything that I wasn’t able to make it so um so I saw Flanders for the first time in 18 and then rube the following week uh going back next year too to do that I’m going with you good I’m going
With you good yeah yeah yeah so um anyway the the thing is when we I saw Ru Bay that’s the the bike race that got me involved and I think more Americans know Peru Bay before tur Flanders a run of on flamor yeah and so um we were gonna make David
Say that tonight so um but the funny thing is is in 2018 when when Dismount Dave and I flew in and we picked up our rental car and the guy was making W talk as he’s typing in my name and stuff and he says are you guys you know here to
Visit what you know what are you guys typ your name in like the interpole yeah the I’m sure interpol’s looking at at me and uh so he’s like you know what are you here for you know and we told him we’re here to watch Flanders the guy just lit up
This is in the Brussels Airport he’s like he’s going off and he’s he’s like saying you know this team’s strong this year I’m like holy cow but going back previously in 2013 I picked up we flew and took a train into Brugge we stayed in Brugge
For 3 days and then drove to Peru Bay from Bru to into Ori is where we viewed the race but picking up the rental car there and I don’t think it’s just rental car people too this lady behind the desk was after per Ru she had his captivated
For about a half hour talking about you know the race and stuff like and Belgium especially in Flanders it is everything it’s their life blood it runs in their blood and you can feel it um I was pretty excited to go to uh gas Bergen and where the
Capel Mur is and it was just pack because they’ve removed that from the Flanders but they brought it back that particular I think for a couple years um and four hours we were there four hours before the race came and it was already packed they always have like fan zones
You know so anywhere where there’s a gathering where people are gathering there’s big screens and stuff but Ru is a little different it is more International it’s not just belgians it is everybody comes and I think it’s so unique to uh any bike race uh Flanders is definitely they have you know E3
Which goes basically over the same Hills yeah and and om Loop and all those but and then tomorrow tomorrow’s race yeah yeahor or Flander yeah and so that’s what I think the difference is um one of the things that I was surprised that three4 of a million people line
Flanders to watch Flanders [ __ ] three you know 750,000 people are on the road at one time watching the bike bike race go by those those types of numbers I mean you think about viewers of the Super Bowl and then you think about people attending the Super Bowl it doesn’t the
People at the actual Super Bowl it doesn’t compare to the people at Flanders because they’re millionaires yeah or or is all free they’re corporate people who have won a a ticket because they made the most you know real estate sales or you know sold the most OIC um but it’s just unbelievable to
Imagine more people than who attend the Super Bowl lining a road and and I I do have to credit Ruby um for showing me these roads and and seeing what they really look like when nobody’s there they’re [ __ ] roads they’re just little tiny go paths you know and and
Especially R to think of all the people lining those roads who were just driving out there and walking into a field in the middle of nowhere and just going absolutely berserk it is such a I guess that’s the beauty of I mean the only thing I can compare is like rally racing
Rally driving you know where you’ve got people who travel out into middle of nowhere and and just stand there waiting for you know I’m yeah yeah and I’m sure the Flanders field or or the the rub field you know maybe at the max with everybody being shredded and you know
Dropped maybe takes what two minutes to drive by yeah when we were at the Flanders um we had uh the women’s field came through uh first and then they had the men’s field come through yeah when we we were on the capital M um so yeah I
Mean but it’s a f they make it a festival just like like we think about um Tulsa and stuff there’s crap going on and even at the end of the race at the fan Zone bands come out and you get the yeah and people are partying and
It’s it’s a big deal oh my God the I guess I meant to mention um the difference between those to in racing is is the cobblestones and and Peru Bay are almost hard in the forest you could twist your ankle walking on I’m not joking yeah I mean there’s three in
Difference between the between stones and there’s like gaps um and then Flanders when they climb up those they’re more fitted except the cap m is is really nasty and that’s at 20% and plus you’re going off these bumps and the thing about Flanders is it’s the distance and then the massive amounts of
Climbs in the tail end yeah there’s 19 18 18 19 of these burgs that they do yeah um and you know all over the world in terms of percentage of gradients um and then you’ve got rubet which is predominantly flat but you’ve got the severity of the roads um you guys were
Able to go out and watch the the people preparing the days before so yeah if you go if you go over there um like Thursday and I think Friday I don’t know when the women might do it Wednesday also um you can actually just go to the sectors just go there and
Take pictures and that’s what Dismount and I did we were in the forest and it was it was interesting you just see different teams come by and just I mean they’re going not Race speed but they’re going faster than I would yeah and um yeah you I mean uh Peter zagan was like
3 feet from me yeah and and he came by and they actually uh I think cycling news did a CO um a movie on that both Flanders the Holy Week you can actually look it up I think it’s I don’t know where you can find it now but I paid for
It but there’s a there’s a period where you went through the forest and when you went by I think I’ve told this story before I’m looking and there’s a bike path that some of the guys are avoiding the the cobbles for whatever reason the team was taking the bike path and
There’s like a 18in piece of grass between the cobbles and that bike path and I’m standing in between taking pictures and and uh Peter Sagan goes by and I got a couple pictures of him and his thigh and then half of his buttocks and then uh nice yeah nice Daniel Los
Was like screaming something on on you know on the other side of me and I didn’t know it but just out just Mount Dave was on the other side of the cob and took a picture Peter Sagan was like four feet behind me pulled over because they they put onboard camera that they
Were shooting for that film there was a motorcycle uh guy cameraman shooting and they had stopped just behind me but I was afraid if I turn around I’m going to knock somebody over yeah exactly so Dave’s got a picture of me squatting I’m squatting down and there’s they’re
Messing with this camera just like you know 3 four feet away oh my God unbeknown so I mean it’s so it’s so it was that was during their Recon it’s Recon days before now you would would you say that this is a surface that you know being an accomplish cyclist and
Riding over that surface in rub or even the climbs um what type of a of a effort does it take just to just to just to get through them I you know the I um I haven’t ridden them yeah but I could tell you uh just 40 Years of my
Experience on different types of surfaces I don’t know if I could tackle the force is scary because you come flying down in race Pace they’re doing over for in a you know 45 miles an hour and dropping down and slight downhill and then it starts increasing and climb
It they Sprint there’s um uh Mitch Docker had Tom Bonin on on his last podcast and he talks about that and Bon says you are as fast as you can going in that Forest yeah and it doesn’t eventually kind of mels out but you don’t somebody goes down you have
Nothing it’s just total chaos you’re just closing your eyes saying I hope I don’t go down God yeah wow and he said that’s the worst surface you get you can ride on so oh my god um and and you’ve also talked about the accessibility that that the Flanders Fields races are more
Difficult for spectators as opposed to rub and that just because of course design where it’s more spread out yeah so uh so Flanders um had had set up the one of the promoters altered the ca course so that there’s a lot of Loops a lot of more C it’s going through um
Which you know you you could probably the best thing to do is find in my opinion not that I I’ve I know really well but um find yourself a hill kind of anchor down on one of those you know the quamon uh the pburg but it is is packed
With people um there’s people in in Peru Bay know all the shortcuts you can figure it out because you have a map and you can like go ahead of you know the pack and see it several times I personally have no interest doing that uh when they fly by it’s great to take
Pictures but you don’t even know what’s going on it’s just happening so fast and in Ori which is I think sect 13 this year um that’s where I’ve been the last couple of times they have a local bike club that gives you they sell beer wine sandwiches and they have a huge screen
So you can watch it I’m home and then when it’s approaching everybody runs out and screams their heads off and runs back in you can watch the whole race so yeah that’s pretty cool I I can only imagine that irber would be a if you get
There you’re stuck you can only watch on one side of that rout too oh yeah you’re just that’s it yeah um who in your opinion is the best uh Flanders tour of Flanders Champion the greatest champion tour of Flanders is hard that one’s hard because there’s six people have only won
Three times probably it would be uh Manny um forenzo Manny and 49 1949 1950 and 1951 he went three in a row and he was the first a TI to do so and he wasn’t invited back in 52 because the Belgian said no wow so he’s the famous one that
People see in the picture where he’s got his tape he had a broken collar bone hisou okay uh your your favorite uh alltime rube champion and and are you just going to go so old school that you’re going to no I mean I would have
To say the best but I like Bolan was how many I think he was made for that race and he was fun to watch and I think he was a great loser in 2016 it would have been his Fifth and broke the record over Roger defic yeah and if you get if
There’s any any last 10K to watch of recent rube that’s 2016 with Matt Heyman won that was was cheering and that and Matt Heyman like coming off of a broken arm yeah had a broken collar yeah broken arm and he and he actually trained on
Swift yeah um and you know what that did for Swift I know like oh thank you I don’t have to R he broke his own the same way that I broke mine so he won that and then I was just like I could do that this year there you go why didn’t
You get I wasn’t anywhere near that goody and he was in the break at 170 78k to go he was in the break from the very get-go he’s the only one that survived a break and then end up winning so oh that is such a good
Good is the best one to watch yeah that’s a good one Kelly won twice y right 84 and um 86 yeah I remember those ones vividly you know struggling to watch them on CBS Sports even on Mario yeah anyway Let’s uh let’s take a let’s take a look at our lineups we’ve
Got them all in front of us and and David’s been frantically the start of the show you’re adorable at the start of the show you were on you were staring at these sheets you were circling stuff you were on your phone you were doing all
Kinds of stuff placing bets um so not a lot Inspire or came from that just so you know you can see very little circling there we go well our our rupe our rupe start orders are are pretty sparse so we’re going to have to do a little bit of speculation Paul might
Know a little to help us out on those but uh let’s start with the big one this weekend with with Flanders and uh with with the women um first of course we get three picks we all get three picks and chances are women first yes uh we chances are we’re
Going to we’re going to all cross a lot here um we can keep it kind of quick um I can probably go first I’m going to go with uh because I think Cy nimoda um needs to win a lot more races just because I like her um I’m picking her
I’m picking Puck Peters because she is going to be there and that’s going to be really cool I think it’d be a really changing the moment and because SD works is there I’m not by the way did you notice I’m not picking a Leal Trek rider
For this one um I’m picking Demi varing Jackson uh I am picking Demi voling L keki and Elisa longor gini oh okay straight to the point I like it yeah I mean I talk too much you you how could you pick him obviously America Chloe diger yeah Elizabeth dagnan and Demi
Voling Demi wering Lizzy digon being back I think is cool yeah I’m stoked yeah Paul I went uh voling keki and Balo okay okay David do you want to skip or do you got like okay that’s okay Chloe Chloe Chloe America for the for the men
I am going to go with uh I’m going to pick the obvious is is is literally the obvious is all top three matchie vandero wild vard and mads p skip cuz that’s exactly that’s exactly who you picked those guys are flying those guys are absolutely yeah you can’t
You have to pick them but I’m going to pick somebody different because I also think that in a lot of these races like things just happen I think W’s going to just dominate the next two weeks neon Palace though I’m telling you he’s American and he’s powerful okay anyway
And then Michael Matthews yes I I don’t know if he’s got the climbing legs yeah I think he does he’s a decent climber he’s done well that race in the past so that could be a good pick yeah I went wout always wout and um I went with
Mahor because he’s he digs in deep and he may get in a break and then Tim wellin who’s been doing really well there we go David uh because I watched the last 10k of Mads p and vanderpol and then also wow cuz dude great CH I would like to
Change a pick did you just because all of us picked those yeah and so it’s boring um I would like to uh scratch away mads Pon and I’m going to pick benum gai oh that’ be interesting if he’s got the the fuel in the tank had a
Lot more this he worked in get velam he worked hard in get vam uh Perry Ru wa minut yeah probably we can argue the biggest the biggest single day in the sport of cycling I’m going with a lot of Le littal Trek I’m going with Lisa longa burini Elsa
Balamo and I would love to see allice and Jackson even just kind of come close to what she did last year I think she is such a cool person I I I don’t remember seeing her a lot near the front prior but but maybe she’s got the taste and
She she just can bring something Jackson um I am going to pick L keki Elisa longa borghini and Lorena weas lot of keki could very well win both yeah yeah Chloe diger Elizabeth n nnan and lot of keki uh keki and I have I have again osamo I thinks she’s going well yeah
And um oh man and I might I might go I might go with the goat I go with the boss if she’s I didn’t even think about Maran boss I didn’t even think about that’s that’s disrespectful that’s just Dam dis disrespectful there’s like four people I
Mean David was Pi these are small lists yeah because they have to announce it by th Tuesday tomorrow why why do they get zift and the men don’t because it’s that’s two SP their main sponsor yeah cool it’s all done online they just race it
Digitally uh for the for the man on per ruay I’m going to pick two for sure mads Pon and mat shander pole I really and I have a soft spot in my heart for John de Co I would last year he got hosed he got hosed and I
Would I I want him to have one more day in the sunshine or in this case in Matthew took him out on purpose yep he did it was out of SP yeah yeah Jackson um I going to pick mat Vanderpool uh W venard and Tim merer he did win a Sprint
On the cobbles not weeks ago so y y w will win uh and then I’m also mads pson and Tim wellins those are good Cho well is writing really well he is Paul wout for the win that’s it that’s it no I have I have uh Lampard he was clo he was close
At one time with with and then he got bumped by spectator and then I had more horge because he’s always a wild card it’s really hard to vote because like team visma has so many good riders for the two that it’s just like but you know
W’s their number one guy but I mean I want to vote Mato obviously but I mean like tij benut he would be a great hitter like there’s so many good guys on those teams but it’s like well you know that they’re going to work as hard as
They can to get wow there so he got a vote wow I think Kristoff leport this year is falling a little flat with that he’s sick yeah it it shows a been the team te been getting hit by but he’s just not been performing at the same he did last year the European
Band mat that’d be pretty cool he was riding really well in E3 yeah he was was just going after everything yeah good to see and and it looked like w in E3 was just kind of coming out of that training camp mode where he’s like I haven’t had
The Speed workor yet and I think he could be you have to you have to put in consideration he crashed before the steepest part of the patberg yeah and he had to it took a while he I mean he was dead last in that and then he passed
Everybody on his own he just ran out of gas but I think I think he made it his position going into the pburg was wrong but you know he should have been up front more and then he even said that was his air on the his on the crash
Himself so David we didn’t get your picks they’re the same as as before vanard dude those are good picks Pon those are very good picks very good picks how are you guys planning to watch early going to be yeah I what an idiot oh I guess I’ll be
There too I was going to say aren’t we coming here you I will it will be a race you’re going with your brother you’re racing oh yeah got riding okaying it’s our race come on Grand you’re making a race but I make itace um so you guys are
All replaced you guys are replaced don’t look at your phones well that’s a bummer yeah looking forward well I was going to do was going to do that ride but we’ll just watch it on the way home um how early are Jackson are you coming I no cuz I did
Last year and it was over by the time that I had got here so I was like what’s the point yeah so you’re not gonna you know work your way out uh Paul how early are we getting up um I I calculated with aronra Forest is is like 100k and that’s
When it really opens up I think that’s 5:30 our time okay and for sure and CP said he might make it see this is the last day of my spring break I am I love you guys but I am not doing that much but I love you guys but not that much
I’m having heart surgery the next day okay it could be my last day in you won’t see your father let’s really clarify I could be dead the next day you’ve already had this done once uh also surgery’s all I all Prett pretty dramatic yeah they’re puncturing my body to work on my
Heart oh I I’d call it a procedure I’m not even like it’s out patient yeah it’s basically a [ __ ] drive-thru man it is just like going hey fix your heart see you tomorrow you wake up to hearing next yeah so so we can watch I can watch it
In the car while you drive me to the race right this is it absolutely all right we need to get something clear here before we start driving who is driving of course you’re driving so God so technically he fall asleep in the wheel I know right technically I could we
Could just run through this I don’t need the big screen in the other room yeah the projector if it’s just for of us you know there was a guy named Terry PR is Terry coming Terry yeah could I don’t know if Terry’s GNA make it yeah yeah
Drop us a not if you want to come watch who El we had a couple other people last year too yeah we did well Jack brought brought it he’s was fun last year I really wish that it wasn’t on a fra that was why I made a mistake no I okay I
First for yeah but also like not going to miss out on going to ride my bike to watch my bike that one definitely that’s the only bike I could I’m just curious if it was this last weekend or or for Flanders right like would you go race on Flanders no
Those two races I would two those two mainly Holy Week have you not been listening again I would I would do again I would R yeah yeah and i’ do it anytime during the tour not a problem yeah and I’ve done it in the past who cares
Let’s get to our other segments for tonight uh supported by our friends at Camelback they started with hydration packs and now they offer that and so much more bottles packs everyday tumblers and insulated bottles put to the others put the others to shame check them out a pack filler uh our first one
Tonight is going to be a fit tip with bike fit Sam from of curs you are the people are there people it’s just the people the person at Ambassador cycling yeah this is your you own this it’s me but I actually we have a new employee
That is a biker as well getting him trained up on all the fits so he’ll be joining me with bike fits um that’s cool yeah tonight’s uh it came up a lot of discussion about Saddles coming up tonight Jackson was talking about the fact that that finding the right saddle
For the right person it is not just about what comes with the bike I remember the one that came with my giant was the equivalent of sitting on a skinny of a baseball bat oh fce Post Yeah and um and many just go with the ones like that which we all know can
Lead to issues um so talk to me about proper saddle choices and how to find them as well as once you have a proper one the question was talking about center of gravity and bike handling that can be affected by your saddle placement and saddle Choice what a question all
Right so I have had multiple times yeah multiple times this last week I’ve had lots of people coming in for saddle discomfort and and you know they like oh yeah went and I got this you know I bought this saddle off the shelf from bike shop and I’m like great do they
Size you no they just said this has the most gel and I’m like okay back up so I have a tool remember the sex the sexy saddle that came out Paul a while ago there was something like it had a vibrating on made you happy while you
Rode down the road that was gross anyway sorry I di so this is a rual you know a bike fitting company uh and pressure Maps so you’ll sit on this um my iPad will show like you know the pressure points uh for your sit bones and then
That measures it and it shows us your Sione width that then translates to a saddle right um we size both of you guys would not expect skinnier wider right yeah yeah yeah I have a skinnier so you’re saying one part of my body is skinnier than my son’s yeah
One that was pretty quick on that yeah yeah I’m just gonna bait in that your waistline so anyway anyway God I don’t know I’m in a mood to roast you yeah no I love it the best somebody got to yeah I you thought I was being too nice to you the other
Day it was great yeah you got to bring it [ __ ] yeah back to the question though so you you you find the saddle with that um and then after we have decided the correct saddle width uh the four and a half comes into play and we I
Recently did a fit on a local friend of the group and he was having speed wobbles as he was going downhill and I’m like man that’s weird like you think your frames cracked and it’s like no it’s not there’s no weird clicking or anything going on with this and the bike
Came from you I think originally R5 who’s my yeah and I sold it to him wellmaintained like cool bike so anyway like he’s like yeah little do you know cracked anyway um the bike brought it in and he has waited so far back on the
Bike uh the saddle’s moved so far a that um he is basically weighted over the rear tires so there’s no weight in the front end so like when he starts hitting upper speeds of like you know 40 going downhill you start to get that like chatter in the front end which is super
Unnerving right scary [ __ ] so that’s where like we do the plum Bob of knee over pedal spindle right uh which is that 3:00 position we’ve talked about in the past but um that weights you on the bike where your bike where you should be in the middle of your bike so that is
The really important after we get your seat size yeah yeah well like Jackson you’ve been comfortable on that saddle that you’ve had for a while but you you said that over the last couple years or something like that things have shifted where yeah so Sam and I are going to
Meet this Friday uh I did purchase the new saddle that was suggested for me and um I’m really interested to see what the re if if there is a reason if we can even find that why I have found some sort of discomfort recently I don’t know if it’s weight training or
How my body is just maybe a little bit different this year than it was last year now I’m finding like not to be too specific about it but like saddlesore issues so I’m interested to see what that is do you associate it with more time on the bike have you has there been
A a dramatic jump in Saddle time uh I have SP I I think I’ve spent more time in this saddle um but I’m also I think utilizing a different part of the saddle a lot more now when it comes to like those hard efforts more on the front of
The saddle it does feel that way and like that would be my other question is like because I think that for you in particular to jump over to your cases like you’ve been writing not only just more General but also more frequently right whereas beforehand it’s like you’d
Ride maybe on Monday but then you’d have like Tuesday Wednesday after you ride Thursday right and so it’s like it can mask it a lot more as opposed to the day after day after day like you’ve been a lot more consistent so you’re not having that time to like recover from you know
The saddle that’s just my guess e even if you don’t crash is there a fatigue life in a saddle um yeah I mean they will break down over like you know a few years it it really depends on the type of Saddle cuz some of the Saddles like the brook
Saddles just get better with time right whereas like a few of the other ones if they have a lot of padding in them like the ones that we have gosh I’d expect to get 10 15 years out of them like quite a while um but I think Brook Saddles I
Think Riders die before their Saddles I think so when you’re like yeah I mean they have bolts to like tension them and everything it’s insane how adjustable those things are like Brook Saddles Riders are a weird breed it’s a different breed yeah yeah well I suffered for 18 years and now it’s
Perfect now P like a glove my testicles fell off but uh my shammy cream slowly broke it in my wife could leave me but she ain’t taking my saddle my badge of honor God damn it you guys ever hopped on somebody else’s Brook saddle never it’s unnerving there
Are certain things I won’t share and many times my bike is one of the things I won’t share I you know I hopped on somebody’s like bike for one reason or another they and they had a brck saddle and I was like this is the weirdest
Thing I’ve ever sat on in my life you went and share your bike with me I don’t know you yeah yeah you guys because you’re accomplished Riders I know you treat it with respect and it probably come back cleaner than it is yeah um so that’s the biggest thing is like that’s
Like somebody’s it’s disrespect yeah like yeah they’re going to lean it up against something and scratch your bike yeah yeah I get that yeah or even just lay it down in the grass on the derailer yeah dumbass right let’s move on ask Dr David tonight oh I keep forgetting the
Bump bastard has his own bump where is it I can’t wait to see Pat in like 10 years doing this well I’m still like every every year you do like one more degree and then you get Tri vocals I have trials have a a hinged head that just
Goes I look like Sam Elliot in hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy we just like what another head comes out of my throat um oh my God with all these high carb options flooding the Market David this is one that came out and I I have
To admit I’m kind of the source of this question tonight um these longer fueling type of products that are coming out uh that are allowing us to to gain these massive carbs by just simply drinking however some fuels are taking the writers well to the toilet with with
Some gastrointestinal uh issues and I noticed that and the one I just recently was reading about was the amount of maltodextrin put into their product uh scratch has a they call it a term I can’t remember like a comex comad extran or something like that I I’d have to
Look up the word in order to see what it is but maltodextrin being a regular ingredient which Su are saying could be the culprit so what are your thoughts on this and how do we know if it’s going to take us to Browntown and ruin our brand
New Saddles Brown toown yeah um well did it take you to Browntown no I haven’t no that’s why he’s asking the question I’m he doesn’t want a turtle head hit the shmy I’m about to it’s touching cotton I’m about to do a full week of long rides and I need something
To fuel me and I don’t want to take the Browns to the Super Bowl amen amen uh maltodextrin is like a very highly processed carbohydrate that um is frequently added to non sports supplement um like high carb mixes because it somewhat bypasses regulations on what is considered a
Carbohydrate um and so like people can add that to to Foods as a sweetener without and and then it’ll look like a low carb food but it’s actually not because maltodextrin breaks certain types of maltodextrin will break down and actually have a huge carb release which is then why people like scratch or
Nutrition companies are using it is because it’s a different type of carbohydrate to put in the drink um I will say that as a caveat I just I don’t think that anything super highly processed is going to be good for you um I mean this is one of the reasons that
Personally I really do like those untapped um gels because it’s it’s natural sugar that you’re getting um but when you’re at super high intensity exercise you need to utilize different um sugar Transporters in your gut so you can transport um different types of sugar at different parts of in the gut
And so I think what they’re trying to get out with maltodextrin is is maximizing the ability to transfer carbohydrates at all of the different receptors um the problem is is that not everybody can break it down different types of it actually don’t break down until they get to your your rectum wow
Or your rectum could have killed them could have killed them yep or your uh colon and then they just ferment and they cause basically like an osmotic diarrhea um holy I you know I think I think it’s probably cheap to make MTO dextran and it’s a it’s a filler product for most
Other scenarios I would personally be looking for something more um natural more natural less processed um you know eating your carbs more frequently rather than it sounds like the goal of maltodextrin is to like have a sustained release carbohydrate which just isn’t it’s it’s not necessarily natural in this form you can
Do complex carbs like if you know what if you’re a simple person should you have complex carbs that is the question the AG old question um scratch is is not Malto dextrin it’s called cluster dextrin highly branched cylic dextrin that sounds really cool highly branched cylic I I just remember know
What yeah I know when they were like you know they had a video on it and they were just like we have discovered a you know long chain amino acid all they’re doing is trying to pack super complex card highly soluble and digest steadily like real food so that that’s what
They’re getting at is they’re trying to put something in there that will that will break down slowly like if you have a whole wheat piece of toast versus white toast the idea is that the whole wheat is a more complex carb that will break down slower and so they’re trying
To mimic you eating something but also trying to take into account the fact that you don’t typically eat a sandwich on your ride okay um so B made you pork sandwiches but I I think he never made me anything that’s what they suggest so scalding hot tea in a plastic bottle
Which I guarantee had BPA yeah I think if you can tolerate this stuff fine but also like maybe just focus on eating a few more solid things throughout your meal or throughout your bike ride and like and some liquid carbs as well um let your do what it’s supposed to do
Instead of I have a really hard time like I mean killed an entire industry of of fueling options I I I rely on this stuff for longer rides I can’t I cannot do food that’s the super fuel that’s stuff never sat right with me it worked
On the rides but I would feel disgusting afterwards it just locked you up and Jackson you like it it I feel like a hero at the end of rides because of it yeah yeah it’s like I’m not even hungry at the end of the ride because it’s like
It’s still slowly burning right but it’s like the whole ride I can have one the I would be curious if you try this like I can’t have two backto back bottles it has to be like one bottle of that one bottle of water I can do two back to
Back and and all my on top of it none of you are big fans of trosky if you know what I’m saying what what’s that none of taking the Browns to the of you feel like you’ve been to Taco Bell yes I do that’s what I’m saying got wrecked
That’s what I’m saying but I want he also can’t drink Stout he’s a littley little it’s a brewer she an allerg I got like the brist but I will I need I I think that it’s worth stating that there is no dietary guidance that’s perfect for everybody just we’re all different
And if it works for fine yeah but if it doesn’t then don’t push it like it’s not necessarily because it’s good for some people doesn’t mean it’s good for you okay mhm so my I I can’t handle that stuff very well I haven’t tried this to
Be fair but all that that carb stuff does not work for me and I don’t do well with high sugars but making those rice bars scratch brilliant unbelievable that stuff works great and they’re tasty you know the bacon ones I oh God I just do mine with I do mine with with peanut
Butter and fresh berries do bacon and eggs I do chocolate chips and blueberry yeah I did great on our cross country ride or cross state ride with white bread and toe furky man that like oh yeah that hit but also we had those your entire you’ve lost all respect you say
Toe furky white bread and to Fury Wonder Bread speciic God uh let’s let’s keep moving on because that’s just an Abomination a sin during Holy Week style points coming up with the one and only Jackson Bulger by the way one of my goals during this next week is to
Develop theme music for each and every one of you ooh yeah so I’m going to give it might be like a a 3 to four second you know don’t think you’re going to get you know Davids yeah something so we’ll see what we can do Jackson what you got
For it this week well I love to shop my birthday’s coming up in a month and a day and I love to shop on my birthday wink wink yeah exactly if you all don’t get me stuff I’m going to make your life hell uh anyways that’s not true this is just my birthday
List no I was going to like the the spoiled rich kid in Harry Potter last year I got 37 freaking Dudley Dudley duts yeah you just got me on another thought with that whole dudle thing no it’s okay um uh this note that I have is I you can
All see it it’s called bye byebye um so Ain’t No Lie nope I uh want to start asking you guys do you stick to a specific brand or do you kind of like to shift around does it matter who depends on the brand it depends on what we’re
Talking about okay well this is I’m literally going to have you guys dress yourselves oh so I have flip-flopped helmets I I I’m back with zero MH yeah I went po used to be die hard but I mean like castelli works for me for clothing but I’ve also promi other stuff okay
Paul do you have a brain you are hard hard on that’s a rough way to say that well yeah there are some Brands I get hard on for but I can’t afford them y but uh no I I do in in all aspects if if
It works for me and it and it performs or or lasts then I’m sold I don’t have to look elsewhere nice nice David yeah across life I definitely have like in every realm like clothing you know tools buy all that like there’s things that if
It works I’m going to go back yeah MH yeah and and I’m early on in this so I’m kind of trying to figure it out I mean even with tires recently I’ve switched which is something way different yeah yeah yeah so it’s just I’m I’m I’m cool
With switch around jro’s kind of been my shoe for I would say a bit now I’ve got the Mountain shoes I’ve got the road Sho they’re excellent and if you find like the shoe like a contact Point come from a fitter and a helmet like those two
Things I I can’t stray I’ve been on Specialized forever and I man everything else I used to write all specialized but now I’m like oh other companies make really good this or that but yeah man like if you find what worked for you with those two count like contact points
Stick with it stick with it yeah I’ll be editing that out of the show show um so speaking of shoes uh I’m going to have you guys dress yourself from the feet up I do kind of have a weird way of doing it but we got a rapid
Fire at though yes uh shoes Sam specialized CD CD specialized jerro jerro as well uh socks Sam oh God Pearl zimy no preference there yeah honestly defeat yeah yeah good call they’ve got good socks I I I I love the hell out of our Panache socks but I have no
Preference so many holes I really do like a uh performance smart wool socks during the winter time it keeps keeps it dry or defeat and makes those anyway um scratch had some some wool socks that they still make some ones that are gray but they’re thinner I like those a lot
Too uh bibs so shorts Celli hos castelli no preference you know I’m trying to figure it out here recently too because I like that the shorts are getting longer and so if I can find a short that’s a little bit longer I I prefer that uh do you guys wear
Undershirts mhm every ride I have sensitive if I if I had like sometimes they’re dirty and I’m like it’s fine yeah but yeah otherwise nice Paul just recently I started getting every single one every ride no no no if it’s hot no interesting okay when it’s cold yeah I
Uh I have several of them because there’re some shorts that um I have sensitive nipples and they they will they will I’ve seen b my nipples will chase the bibs the bibs will hit me right there and if I get excited I can cut glass I cut glass man no I’m kidding
That’s disgusting but yeah I do I do wear them except on the hottest of days yeah I predominantly in the winter I’m with David I just it’s just a nice ex layer I’ve I go sleeveless of course yeah I’ve even seen the sleeved ones long sleeves all those uh Jersey brands Sam
Castelli castelli no preference I Rite everything across the border now across the border wow across the border just I’m I’m now the sleeves have to be longer cuz I have very very broad shoulders and um it’s the calcium um if I have a short a jersey with shorter
Sleeves they ride up and I’m constantly pulling them down I hate that [ __ ] it’s got to be I love the new style of kits with longer sleeve yeah you know I will give a shout out to you Mr Pat buer I really do like uh the pack filler all of
Them they are just long enough for my arms those are ni yeah um glasses do you have a preference Sam Smith but Oakley has recently Smith really amazing I don’t we Paul you don’t wear I used to enjoy Smith but I actually really like oakle right
Now um I’m again I’m neutral I’m I I went back to a pair of 100% that I haven’t worn for a long time and they’re kind of cool again yeah I really liked our time with good um great glasses and great value I don’t want a bash gter at
All because they’re awesome for what they what they offer I just want something a little solid yeah and I’m really hoping a certain somebody that I know is watching right now that also gave wedding vows on the same day I did maybe got me something for my
Birthday just a little shout out you know uh which might come from Oakley um yeah that’s a joke for her uh do you guys wear uh well helmets first we’ll do helmets specialized jro specialized I’m I I’d go between Ziro and Pac and I’m
Back to Ziro now but I still have my on the wall back there the whole time I had defeat socks okay that’s true that’s true um I’m I’m poac guy after smacking my head against the ground it won’t change I love those helmets they’re great helmets and really yeah really
Comfortable uh do you guys all wear gloves yeah depends only in crazy crits okay David you said yes all the time yeah nice well no no for for like cold weather or for crits I’ll wear the half fingered ones okay I need a full lro
Back glove yep mhm I I don’t want to strap or anything like that yeah I’m the same way I will wear gloves all the time my hand just get hurt too much yeah but anyways all in all thank you guys for answering my questions uh it’s just interesting to hear what everybody’s
Preferences because this is one of those things where nobody has the same preference whatever works for you exactly and it kind of backs off of the whole saddle thing so helmets and Saddles like you’re saying everybody’s got a different size ass and a different size head MH and and sometimes their
Heads are up their ass hello yes I am not going to um actually I’m GNA provide a super quick outro tonight okay super quick outro and it’s it’s a segment I was going to start with my segment I was going to give myself one but you guys take up all the time I
Don’t know if you guys read recently in Road CC a guy uh and this was shared To Us by our friend Noah on on the pack filler Facebook Facebook group a story about a cyclist in England that claims after suffering a mechanical on his pinello he was forced to ride the second
100K of a 100 of a 200k ride using a science and Sport water bottle for his saddle he wanted to my question is my question is your opinion and does this guy not have friends or family in a cell phone Jackson you get to go first I think that that’s voluntary you don’t
Just go M damn I I can’t ride this now no he wanted the water bottle there Sam he’s too strong still yeah he’s Frozen we’ve lost samat oh my God yeah there has to be a bike shop within that range or call somebody right yeah maneuver no
No it’s unnecessary and I saw a guy early in a race hit a pothole and it popped this it’s just the railings the seat came off he used an old uh cuz it was early spring he used a thick winter glove I would have quit the race there’s
No way I’m done it’s not yeah not worth it absolutely this guy did it for the Press he did it to himself all right there we go like subscribe thank you guys for listening thank you guys for all being here um we will not be here
For next week for the show so uh you two go fast in the Fondo and uh Paul I’ll see you bright and early on Ru and Jackson you suck well I am your son it’s your son thanks man love you guys see you later